The Solution?: Scientific Pantheism 2- Basic Tenets

[xknowledgeisfreex]

Where do you draw the line between nature and non-nature? There is no super-natural, but do you believe there is anything non-natural, when we are ourselves part of nature? Human civilization is just as natural as an ant colony. So i don't get why some things should deserve more reverence and be protected, just because they are less civilized.

[Tetzukai]

To bad the subjective appreciations of it as if it is beautiful is rather retarded. Reverence to the horrible things that consumption, reproduction, sadism, and addiction and it's vast amounts of negatives... yeah, that's something that everyone of a sentience mind should love.

[Tetzukai]

And to think that religious people believe in a fable, it's even worse how someone find a benevolence-like or imply such in an existence where there's rarely any of it, regardless of a dumb illusion in our head. That's even worse and more obvious to that of a creator and it's cruelty. Nature is a real horror movie nothing more.

[lastannahme]

This video would be great - IF it would not be for that patheic intro and that stupid deranged voice! Why do you disguise your voice? Why can't you say what you háve to say in a normal voice ( ...and it makes perfect sense to me! Really!) It just makes the whole theory look like traumatainment nonsense!

[Lionsherb]

Great video...I maintain a Natural-Levity and keep a strong Oneness with Natures Joy and the Resources it Provides us with as-Well. I don't consider myself pantheist(but I have an overstanding of the levity and I Give Great Ras-Pects) I have a question... do pantheist eat flesh, skin and bones or drink animals milk and blood? Yet, I have Ras-Pect to all who make certain choices.

[amoreena42]

I love this video, but I'd like to point out that not all Pantheists need to be ritualistic or to perform ceremonies similar to Pagans the way you discuss at 5:50.

Right? This isn't some organized religion where we need to emphasize performing certain ritual acts. That's part of the beauty of it. We can be celebratory in very the way we live.

[connerjd]

Alaska is awesome except for the cold weather.

[fearmycomment]

Just to add - I still call myself an atheist. Why refer to the old ways? Why use terms like God and deity? Most of us mean different things. We may disbelieve in the notion of chakra or spiritual energy flowing through us, but we have electricity (energy) flowing through our nervous system, which behaves in a similar fashion. Nothing has changed; the reality is stunning, but people become bored once an explanation is given. The reality is amazing, but we don't call it 'chakra' for excitement.

[fearmycomment]

Being a wilderness lover, I really like this. After I left Christianity I became a pantheist (unkowingly), then an atheist. I think I can close the gap, keeping the rationality that led me to atheism, along with the interconnectiveness I lost with the universe. Not a universe as a conscious being, but a universe with a nature that breeds life, of which I belong. After the big bang, everything that happened was already determined until the emergence of life. That's significant in my eyes.

[LaurieGalvan]

Life is innate in the universe. Through life, the universe experiences itself.

[prophetofpeace2010]

lol. what's with the weird voice-over thing? I don't like it too much. I think it distracts viewer and thereby takes away from it. Otherwise good video and espouse your ideas in many ways. Thanks for the video (in spite of the voice-over)! :)

[prophetofpeace2010]

@prophetofpeace2010 btw. I like your little motto "thing" at the end of your videos. It is inspiring and motivational in some sense.

[damaged01]

Everything in the universe is connected to everything else. In reality, in our most basic form there is no I, nor is there a you. Such distinctions do not exist outside of human perception. There is only we. We are one. Beyond the existence of humanity. We are the universe and of the universe. Systems within systems from the absolute smallest to the edge of space-time.

[Ashiman12]

I like the notion that life, as a phenomenon, is the means by which Nature becomes aware of itself. We are individuals, beautiful, thinking, questioning, curious, emotional, creative, empathetic. And yet, we are temporary, as individuals. When we die, our consciousness melts back into the fabric of Reality, and our experience, our thoughts, become shared, just as dissolving salt in water makes the water taste salty. That's one idea, at least.

[Ashiman12]

I do believe in some form of reincarnation, and view it as compatibile with pantheism. I don't so much believe in a soul as I believe in our consciousness. Consciousness is an activity and energy within the brain, and science tells us that energy cannot cease to exist, but only change form. How can our consciousness cease to exist when we die? I believe it continues on in other forms, even if those forms are not ones we recognize as "me".

[raccoonlord]

Oh come on.

Fucking hell.

All this "real" shit is, hsut u-fijjfb

NO! God. That's my response to the universe, and feeling overwhelmed, and afraid. You don't dislodge that from the masses, so they don't listen. You're only going to get people who already listen to you to... continue to listen to you. Not... DOING ANYHTINGM;GDV

So, fuck your belief, because it's too dumb to ignore itself long enough to grow.

[windham666]

go tell it to spinoza, laozi and the stoics, homer.

[raccoonlord]

What?

No.

Fuck your belief system because it can't ignore itself long enough to grow.

That and that alone.

YOUR belief system, not the people you've interpretted.

[commonberus1]

@windham666 If God is nature what about the bad things in nature like wasp grubs eating creatures alive ect. ect. ect.?

[windham666]

@commonberus1 my question back to you is, does the wasp think that its eating is bad? or is good and bad, itself, something human you have painted onto the world?

[beyonddeadstudio]

@commonberus1

polarity is necessary to have pleasant experiences. If there was no such thing as cold, how could we feel hot? If everything was good all the time, what would make it so special? A perfect world would be the perfect hell.

[abyssalanguish]

@commonberus1 the balance of chaos and order is what makes the universe what it is. negative and positive, peaceful and violent....it's all part of the inifinite cycle of life and death in a constant state of transformation in motion.

[dadeskr]

I was amazed when I first discovered SP. So much of their beleifs were my beleifs to, it is so beautiful. How true that the universe is sacred and divine, it is utterly awe inspiring, and I get to be a part of it (if only a very small part but I am honoured all the same) we belong here :) and it is here that we can create our paradise.

[uninoculated]

I'm a self-described pantheist. I personally don't get in to the ceromonila/mystioc stuff. However, I DO believe in reincarnation back into nature.

Its a logical step in a pantheistic system. I feel that you need to touch on this. Pantheistic reincarnation back into nature.

[dadeskr]

Personally I don't believe in reincarnation, I don't beleive in a soul that could be reincarnated, but I love the idea the nature recycles us when we die, that bits of what was once me will end up passing through the food chain :) I shall be in the insects and the plants and the birds and so on, if that's not being at one with nature what is?

[gregrutz]

Nature is just nature, it is no Holy.

[windham666]

do you live in the city?

i never said it was holy. i said it was numinous, like hitchens says nature gives us (who are not in the city) "a sense of awe and wonder at something beyond ourselves, and so we should, because our own lives are very transient and insignificant. That's the numinous, and there's enough wonder in the natural world without any resort to the supernatural being required."

[gregrutz]

What does 'divine' mean?

[windham666]

many things. a 2 hour discussion of this is here : watch?v=8PhmUyFUFyk.

[philnoll]

i like this. We are not in exile, and it is here and only here that we can experience the divine. Thanks!

Just finished two nature-oriented movies: Into the Wild and Old Joy. Good watch, good soundtracks by Eddie Vedder and Yo La Tengo.

[crimthann86]

windhamfangx ?

[windham666]

/ pastor nitro / evangelican atheist preacher / yes.

[crimthann86]

Yes fang

Create a us vs. them existence

Decry the failure of human endeavors and civilization itself

Think there was a better time when none of this conflict occurred

Paradoxically create conflict where none needs to exist

The belief that others who come to their reality different than ours have a bubble and we dont

Then you are a fang

[MorfeuV]

This is the foundation of Hinduism; people took this inspiration from nature, gave them human attributes and viola.... It hit the fan.

[TheElefaunt]

yeah,but this is panthiesm there is no spirit,

hinduism is more of a form of deism

[MorfeuV]

Dude, I think nature and the nature of the universe directly UNDER "GOD". I am a panentheist. I agree that nature is sacred, but it will one day break into nothing. There are things that cannot be broken, measured or seen. Ideas. Emotions. Experience. Memory. I feel that these things break the hard material cycle of panthiesm.

[windham666]

morfeu, if i remove your brain from the equation, where can i find your ideas? no where. how about your experience and emotions, without your brain, are they out there among the rocks or sitting on a lilly pad somewhere or what???

[MorfeuV]

Great Response! (^_^)b

Have you ever had an OBE?

I've had several, and the experience made me question our physical reality.

[MorfeuV]

Oh!

When I say "GOD" I'm not speaking about a supreme person or entity that will squash us like a bug if we don't behave...

When I say "GOD", I'm reffering to:

THE ABSOLUTE

The SPARK that flows through all life.

The UNIVERSAL INTELLIGENCE that exists in even in the simplest of life forms.

The CHAOS THUNDERBOLT that steers all things.

Are we a product of chance and probability Or does "GOD" play dice?

[crimthann86]

oh probably just chance..

[xephyr1000]

Windham, I agree with the content of the video, except that I find it a bit ironic that you speak of nature and the natural, but use an unnatural synthesized voice... Based on the fact that it sounds like you, or whomever, recorded the audio that was synthesized, have an excellent ability to articulate, the video would have been much more pleasant with your natural voice.

P.S. I stumbled upon the WPM site recently and love the Credo!

[windham666]

homer i am glad you found the content worthy - but what is ironic is for you to expect to see or hear anything real or natural on the internet, especially on YT. this entire operation is not natural.

[jackinla8]

Interesting commentary, but theunnatural voice is distracting.

[spongebarb451]

Hi, Wind, thanks for the videos. As a long-time "member" myself, I'm happy to see SciPan "out there."

There remain many people who feel a profound reverence for our Universe - without the clutter of the supernatural - yet feel deeply alone in their thoughts and emotions.

Your videos offer another medium for them to find camaraderie and strength. The gratitude and relief they will experience upon viewing your videos will be genuine and life-long.

Peace,

Sarah

[unreadphilosophy]

I apologize for my bad grammar below.

[unreadphilosophy]

Hey Wind, have you by any chance read "The Secret?" :) If not, let me give you the book in a nutshell: the book brings forth the philosophy that through philosophy that through mediation and positive thinking, we can obtain and achieve what we think. For example, if we're sick, and we manifest and send out thoughts (these thoughts go out to the Universe by the way) of health, we will become healthy. Basically, it's all about mind over matter!:D

[windham666]

hello there mr unread you don't sound very unread! I have not read The Secret, but have looked a lot at the existentialists. what you say is the basic idea of existentialism. it is also the basis of cognitive therapy in psychology. you are what you think, say and do. to the extent you can control these, you can change yourself and become a better person.

[Joszuaprocess]

Thank you for posting these. I have always sought my a name for my faith and I believe I have found it.

The anarchistic side of me has never sat well with the idea of a vengeful master that I cannot interact outside of it's clergy or my imagination. The spiritual side of me has always had a reverence for the primal force of the natural universe. Even as a Episcopalian, I held the Earth and it's beauty more sacred than the church I sat in.

I have found my new home. Thank you again.

[windham666]

you are most welcome, and thank you right back.

now you know why they put all that stained glass in church windows.....it keeps the folks from staring out the windows, at reality, during the sermon. They might get distracted.

PS I was pleased today to hear Rick Warren speaking of the value of "creation." He gets it, too, sort of, in his own way. Hallelujah for Strange Green Bedfellows.

[SoberInsanity]

Your videos are awesome.

[tburke64]

We are all one, rocks, flowers, bugs and people. God is the electromagnetism that holds the atom and the universe together, and we all tap into the same pool of energy. God is not a he. It is the force. How simple is that? Ya gotta love it!

[SoberInsanity]

And since we are part of the universe, and god is the universe, then god can only think to the extent we think. We are the mind of god.

[globs89]

Carl Sagan summed up pantheism well in one of his books as "the human relation to the numinous"

numinous meaning

1.surpassing comprehension or understanding; mysterious: that element in artistic expression that remains numinous.

2.arousing one's elevated feelings of duty, honor, loyalty, etc.: a benevolent and numinous paternity.

[windham666]

yes!

[DieselBodine]

Interesting dispensation, windham.  Onward...

[alyssaLacy]

sorry, definitely NOT call it a religion.

[alyssaLacy]

People are so ignorant to ignore the obvious knowings of the Earth. If with age comes wisdom, Earth beats us by quite a lot of years.

[alyssaLacy]

When I was younger, and still now I was always allured by the moon and attracted by nature. Still I feel the same, and I realized it was obvious that we were apart of earth itself, but I had no idea that there was actually a sort of..I mean I would definitely call it religion... I guess, others who felt and had the same sort of view as this.

As soon as one of my close friends returns home, we're sitting and watching everything about this!

[Clobberbob55]

Started watching this series last night but kept getting sidetracked......I'm on to the next, now.

Interesting stuff.

[CrucieFiction]

THEisms are about beliefs in a god(s). That is the gist, no matter how some choose to coat it over. There is no need to consider any form of god, be it one omnipotent sky-daddy or that which is within everything. I have no need to think in terms of god(s), nor a "personal relationship" with a man-god or even a tree. I stand in awe of the universe and respect it as does anyone else, but if a name must be attached to it, it will not contain the word 'theism'. I may simply call it, mother nature.

[Rhonda9]

I read up on Pantheism several years ago when I was doing my research on religions and you make a great presentation in these videos.

The pictures you share are breathtaking.

[Haffnersword]

I have to agree with the enigma that nature gives me, I feel only a connection of peace when I'm at the river, when I use to camp out in the desert in California, when I walked my dogs in the mountian streams of New York, this is such an excellent series man!

[rozeboosje]

Loving it. Onward

[mungbeanman]

Atheists can be spiritual is not an oxymoron. Atheism is simply a position of belief concerning gods i.e. we believe there are no gods. Says absolutely nothing about your position on spiritualism.

[mungbeanman]

I've always thought that when people say that god created it all it's really detracting from just how amazing everything really is. When someone says "I am a creationist" I actually take that as an insult on the universe's behalf.

[cozmikzen]

wow,deep stuff rings true. i feel the divinity of the universe

[Dracanomite]

He never said he was a witch though, which makes YOU a liar. I can play this game all night, sweetcheeks =)

[cultsalert]

Don't twist the words. #1. Atheists don't believe in anything outside of physical body. They die and they are gone. #2. Yet the 666Kid still talking about spiritual stuff in his video mingle with witches and Satanists...so I said I think he is a witch. He appears to be not a real atheist. I am not a liar. I don't like BS!

[Dracanomite]

1. So you have the ability to speak for every single Atheist? So if I go around and ask every single Atheist if they believe that they will say yes? And just because he is friends with Witchs and Satanists he isn't a real Atheist? When did you become a judge on such matters?

[cultsalert]

He told me he does not believe the spiritual world at all. Why does he have a big problem with Christians but love Wiccans & Satanists? What does it tell you? He is a witch atheist??? Very modern & scientific... isn't it?

[Dracanomite]

Because Wiccans and Satanists don't force or impose their beliefs on others like Christians do. Your ignorance betrays you.

[mungbeanman]

"So you love attacking others when they can speak back to you in public?" Hmm, heed your own dispensations you peculiar, hateful little person. So far I have exposed you to be a liar, a hypocrite and a coward. Want to add anything new to that list? How about huffy little immature brat?

[windham666]

The use of the term spiritual is intended as stated in the movie, had you listened. Spirituality is a matter of awe, as in "awesome, look at that eagle soaring high above on the wind." This absolutely 100% animalistic appreciation of the natural has absolutely no relation, except in opposition, to your visions of a supernatureal world populated by demons and ghosts and godz and what you, with your closed mind, call "spirit." It is the spirit of NATURE, not superman from frickin palestine. homer

[Clobberbob55]

Doh!

homer simpson

[christoclaster]

cultsalert said: Atheists don't believe in anything outside of physical body. They die and they are gone.

Nope, not necessarily, many Buddhists are Atheist and believe in a soul that lives on. There also are some Atheists who I've talked to who believe in reincarnation.

[faarsight]

In that case you are not a serious Atheist since you still believe in the supernatural (The term of course is quite correct since they'd not believe in a God but...)

[windham666]

it appears you were replying to the other chap?

[faarsight]

?...

what? No I was replying to his comment...

[arkee71]

@christoclaster and atheists can be pantheists

[cultsalert]

mockery to who? lol I admit that I am a dirty little sinner. I think 666boy is a Witch.

[Dracanomite]

What is so bad about being a witch? What if he is? Does that make him a bad person?

[windham666]

mr. cult,

one thing is for sure.

you have indeed been possessed - by pastor nitro.

ha!

tubed.

[mungbeanman]

Hey! You said that windham had removed all your comments! Hypocrite, coward and now a liar. Teeheehee, I do so love the view from this moral highground. And look, no swearing either!

Oh, go on then, fucking cunty bollocks.

[windham666]

mung he got 86d temporarily for being a child, having a hissy fit when things didn't go his way. Like when you have to take your son outside the restaurant after he throws food across the room. If he stood up in college and started popping his bubble gum like that he'd get escorted same same. left his comments that had interest, deleted spam, which was all he could sputter. I hope he is watching. if i could duct tape his mouth and place him in front of the monitor i would consider it seriously.

[mungbeanman]

Yeah I know. I replied to a couple of his comments and then he had to start PMing me to get his rebuttal in. He then said that I was a coward for replying to someone who couldn't reply back (but how could I know?) and then proceeded to block me! What a strange one...

[Dracanomite]

Are you kidding ME? The term Atheist simply means you lack a belief in deity. Nowhere in that definition does it say one can't be spiritual. You probably have the narrow close minded definition of spirituality, which is why you can't comprehend a spiritual Atheist. You want a real Oxymoron? The Abrahamic God. Now THAT is an oxymoron if ANYTHING.

[cultsalert]

BTW, I did not rate any of your videos.

[windham666]

goodbye.

[mungbeanman]

Something else I would like to point out to you regarding your hypocrisy. You said -

"Stop replying to me.

The guy blocked me so I don't care whatever you have to say."

Yet you blocked me and are insisting on sending me comments that I am unable to reply to. Bad cultsalert!

[Dracanomite]

One important aspect of Pantheism is the oneness of everything. Nature, Earth, the Universe. Pantheism is not supernatural but it is in fact very natural. Polytheistic Pantheists seperate Universe from Nature. Pantheism is not about controlling nature but being apart of nature. Self meditation and spirituality play a very important role in Pantheism. Pantheism can be Pagan or Atheistic. It depends on the individual. Awesome video, I love it.

[windham666]

yes indeed mr. draco. i was hoping you'd stop by. in fact i have a special video coming which is dedicated to Unity! The Unity of Nature, Religion, Science and Art.

[cultsalert]

Your video really does not have a point. Is that you in the video?

[windham666]

mr cult I am a fan of personal democracy. therefore I am requesting all viewers to rate you and your comment. thumbs up or thumbs down. if you hit the -6 spam level i am going to have to +86 you from the premises. at least temporarily, a short banishment from the tribe, so to speak. then you will just have to sit there and watch and fume.

[Dracanomite]

This video was not directed towards people like you. Of course you wouldn't get the point... the point Pastor Nitro is trying to explain is that it is important to be at harmony and at one with nature, earth, and the cosmos rather then trying to control and dominate them as Abrahamic faiths do.

[cultsalert]

Trust me. I am familiar with those too. It tells me the 666 kid is NOT an atheist like he claims.

[Dracanomite]

Pantheists can be Atheistic. Did you miss the whole point of this video or what? Scientific Pantheism, in itself is Atheistic. There is no belief in any sort of deity, higher power, or anything supernatural. Atheists can be spiritual. Obviously you've never heard of a LeVeyan Satanist. I personally am Pagan with my Pantheism as I believe in magick is a spiritual and natural force contained within nature.

[crimthann86]

oh great crystal, cast upon me a nice big salmon to bite my lure today... ohhhhmmmm

[mungbeanman]

All you've got to do is take your own advice and stop writing fucktarded comments on my wall and I'll stop replying to you.

[mungbeanman]

"I said some of the comments. You are just like all others. making up stories to just lie more." Incorrect. What you actually said was "The 666 kid conviniently deleted my other comments." It seems that I have caught you lying and then trying to make out like I'm the liar. Oooh, burn, hypocrite!

[mungbeanman]

Not angry in the slightest, just majorly impatient with complete and utter hypocritical, holier-than-thou, cowardly, fucktarded, lying little haters who preach one thing and practice another. Hardly a fault, methinks. And as for the compliment about being twisted, thanks! So at least we have one thing in common!

Yup, goodbye!