Habermas on Strobel and 'The Case for Christ'

[MrHobiecat]

ann excellent example of how religion preys on the grief people have for the loss of a loved on. There is absolutely NO evidence that you will see the dead come back, ever, but if you tell someone their dead family member WILL come back

what do you expect them to feel but overwhelming emotion?

that is obvious.

In order to embrace religion you must reject reality, and some people would rather do that, than to face the reality of death.

[CettoTheCesco]

@MrHobiecat The subject wasnt why believe in the resurrection it was what difference does it make, that argument is getting old and even if it is true for some people that doesn't even mean that God doesnt exist,even so i can reverse it on you- i can just say you dont believe in God because you want to live life your own way and you don't want to be accountable when you die thats why you believe death is the end of you. The argument on either side is off topic anyway if debating God's existence

[MrHobiecat]

@CettoTheCesco you cannot reverse the argument on me, because the evidence that the bible stories are false is INDISPUTABLE. I am not denying the reality of the existance of any god, I am not denying the overwhelming evidence of the existance of any gods, because there are no gods wandering around, and there is no evidence of any gods wandering around.

What you got is ancient goat farmer mythology that has been PROVEN to be false, and people ignoring the proof, to make themselves feel important

[CettoTheCesco]

@MrHobiecat You realise you have not stated a single argument, all you have said in a childish manner " im right your wrong because i said so". You didn't even respond to what i said, lol all you said is that i cant reverse the argument on you... why not? i clearly did and it's quite effect, not to mention you were off topic with your comment before so please don't be trolling. Btw what are these proofs you are talking about? I would love to hear some argument that there is no God with certainty

[MrHobiecat]

@CettoTheCesco Is reality too far over your head for you to grasp?!

again: In order to embrace religion you must reject reality, and some people would rather do that, than to face the reality of death.

Death is a REALITY. All the medical evidence at our disposal indicates that when your brain cells are not active, you have no awareness, no consiousness whatsoever. Whats more, all your memories and your character is a function of your brain cells. People lose their memories, and their....

[MrHobiecat]

@CettoTheCesco ...personality characteristics when their brain cells are damaged or destroyed.

CLEARLY when your brain cells are dead you will have no awarenesss of anything, no memory, and no character, therefore the idea that YOU will somehow continue to exist after your body has died has been proven to be not even wrong, its totally absurd!

the bible fails on every level: when you are dead you cease to exist, the earth was not created as the bible claims, it was not flooded as the bible...

[MrHobiecat]

@CettoTheCesco ...claims, there was no first human named adam 77 generations before jesus that rebelled agaisnt a god, causing all of creation to fall into a state where we needed to be 'saved'.

and even if we did need to be saved, even children know that killing an innocent person in NO WAY makes a guilty person innocent - a human sacrifice nailed to a stick isnt the answer to ANYTHING, neither is pretending to eat its flesh or drinking its blood...

[MrHobiecat]

@CettoTheCesco .. so again, in order to embrace christianity you MUST REJECT REALITY.

you cannot turn this around and say I am the one rejecting reality so I can live in sin. I have never committed a crime in my life, much less one that would warrent eternal punishment and torture

so all you can do is pull out ancient goat farmer mythology kwrap that says the very act of being BORN is a sin against god that warrants eternal punishment.

That is pure kwrap and YOU KNOW IT.

[CettoTheCesco]

@MrHobiecat Again statements after statement can you please stop, I've seen only 1 "argument" and that's the death of brain cells - lol i would respond to that by saying that the body is just the mechanism in which the soul uses it, that beats the problem of no life after bodily death. Do we have any good reasons to believe in a soul/ disembodied mind?

[CettoTheCesco]

@CettoTheCesco Sure i'll give you an example here is a quote from one of the pioneers in the field of neuroscience - Wilder Penfield, “There is no place in the cerebral cortex where electrical stimulation will cause a patient . . . to decide” (The Mystery of the Mind, 77). There is no inconsistency with believing in dualism of body and mind, like when a man plays the piano when the keys are broken he cant use em, likewise when a man and his bodily parts and functions cant be used anymore.

[MrHobiecat]

@CettoTheCesco statement after statement... you mean fact after fact after fact and would I please stop shoving reality in your face!

again, the claims of the bible have already BEEN proven false. You are on the internet, you can find all the relavent information yourself, I dont need to sit here and type essays in 300 word increments.

Soul?! when you are asleep and not dreaming, or you are sedated for an operation, you do NOT have the experience of awareness (a soul) trapped inside a ...

[MrHobiecat]

@CettoTheCesco ... sleeping body. You have NO awareness or consciousness whatsoever. If you are sedated for an operation people often wake up in recovery room and ask 'when are you going to start?' because they experienced NOTHING while they were sedated, no passing of time, no floating around in a void for 6 hours waiting for their brain cells to become active again: NOTHING.

when you die, it will be exactly the same: NOTHING.

[CettoTheCesco]

@MrHobiecat Sorry but did you miss out on the other reply i gave where i cited Wilder Penfield?

When you sleep you dream, it's nothing like " NOTHING" lol hahah.

[MrHobiecat]

@CettoTheCesco Sorry but no I read it and it was pointless. the fact that Penfield did not discover a decision making part of the brain does not therefore prove you have a non-physical soul.

When you sleep you only dream for about 2 hours a night. For the rest of the night your consciousness and awareness ceases to exist.

Just like before you were born. just like after you die.

Your grasp and knowledge of reality explains your willingness to embrace religion, like I said in my first post.

[MrHobiecat]

@CettoTheCesco BTW, did you even WATCH the video you are commenting on?! in the last half the speaker talks about how he was emotionally overwhelmed when the book started talking about 'the resurrection of debbie'.

He was emotionally overwhelmed by the idea of his dead wife coming back to life - NOT dealing with the fact that jesus never DID come back from the dead, but purely playing with someones emotions over the grief they feel over the lose of a loved one.

[giska1000]

@wircolac ahahahah you have santa syndrom little kid...A HA HA HA haaa...but not only that..you are also stupid...:))) well...any ,,serious,, theologia and scientist will tell you that G.Habermas is right....and btw...check out biography of Gary Habermas...(including his debates on resurrection of Christ)...so instead of being jerk and making such a RETARDED ,,claims,, ...do little research on this..

[justin10292000]

@dogshit It is amazing what level of non-historical ad hoc nonsense you are willing to stoop to to try and support your ridiculous theories. Look up Bethlehem on Wikipedia. Heck, read anything outside of your faith. The Resurrection is a fact of history. You STILL do not give an alternative, non-Resurrection explanation for the historical data. Quit talking about things you know nothing about. It is embarrassing to see.

[dogsisiht]

@justin10292000 --Look up Bethlehem in Galilee; pray tell, what historical treatise indicates evidence for a resurrection of the Nazarene? The bible? That is NOT a historical treatise, and all supposed "eyewitness" accounts are hearsay...

[Curtmo317]

Justin, Unfortunatly, no matter how much you argue, people are not going to let you in.Our lord has an affinity for touching peoples hearts and changing lives. Let the power of the Holy Spirit do the work where we cant reach.This is the only way that some will reach salvation.He will be in line with president Obama & leadership here in America.Side note I have 7 years post sec. education, am in Nursing sch and am ever more convinced that our Lord created us after studying Anatomy and Physiology

[Curtmo317]

dogsisiht I will pray for you....

[justin10292000]

@dogsisiht You are wrong, and a few seconds after you die, you will realize just how wrong you are. Watch the To Hell and Back, and Ian McCormack, videos. All of those atheists believed exactly as you do, and they all got horrific wakeup calls (AND very rare second chances, thanks to modern medical technology). Your ad hominem attacks are predictable and pathetic. And you STILL did not give me an adequate non-Resurrection theory that is supported by the historical evidence.

[dogsisiht]

@justin10292000 The resurrection, biblical hearsay, is not supported by any historical evidence, which HAS shown that there was no settlement at Bethlehem in Judea prior to 1000 AD, which creates a bit of a problem for biblical accuracy, wouldn't you say? Bethlehem in Galilee was thriving at the time of the birth of the Nazarene, however.

[lucretius123]

wait, who's debbie?

[MrOmniFreak]

this guys late wife

[justin10292000]

And you know this for a certainty, how? The ones who were there at the time said He DID, and two thousand years later, YOU say He did not? Just because you don't WANT the Resurrection to be true does not mean it did not in fact happen. If it were not for the Resurrection, a historical fact with gigantic historical consequences we see continuing today, there is no hope for you, me or anyone else. You are wrong about the Resurrection.

[dogsisiht]

@justin10292000 ~Just because you WANT the Resurrection to be true does not mean it did in fact happen....there is no evidence whatsoever, merely heresay: not even admissible in a court of law...

[justin10292000]

@dogsisiht So say you. You are wrong. Just because you do NOT want the Resurrection to be true does not mean that it did NOT in fact happen. There are many lines of evidence supporting the historical fact of the Resurrection. In addition, no naturalistic, materialistic, NON-supernatural explanation explains the historical data, not even close. An excellent book I would recommend is The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus by Dr. Gary Habermas and Michael Licona.

[dogsisiht]

@justin10292000 What I recommend is Haloperidol 5mg bid, for abot 1 year... and about 6 years of post-secondary education where no religion of any sort is preached...then maybe your delusions will recede, cause you are way out there in creatodelusion land...

[Curtmo317]

@dogsisiht thats funny, there are plenty of archeologists and scientists whom would beg to differ....=)

[dogsisiht]

@Curtmo317 Yes, all of them affiliated with the Disco Institute or people commenting outside their fields...not being an atheist, I can't comment on their take on this, although I'm sure all of them despise Lee Strobel, a failed journalist turned hack charlatan preacher.

[regelemihai]

Oh-kay! You got it masta'!

[molewizard]

Shit.