LOL why are you guys ALWAYS fighting about the origins of the music? Every eastern-europe video with awesome music(like here) seems to have these arguments in the comments? Just WHY? Why do you care so much? For instance, Franz(Ferenc) Liszt was born in Hungary, but lived a great deal of his live in Germany as well in Austria and other places. But there's never a "HE WAS A HUNGARIAN YOU ***HOLE" etc. comments. Can someone explain?
That's because magyars are a bunch of homosexual pilfering grab asses, who have no real culture so they stole Slovakian culture. I mean we did settle in what's now Slovakia while they were still fucking their ponies on the steppes of Asia! Why wouldn't they want to steal Slavic culture and mix with Slavs. Have ya ever seen magyar women...... NASTY!!!!!!!
Ach zasa príšerný gýč až to bolí.. Pôvodný pravý kroj má dlhú sukňu. Nie minisukničku!!! A vraj Slovakian traditional...??? to si niekto robí srandu? Tá zhovadilá amerikanizácia kultúry je ako vidím v plnom prúde a vy tomu ešte tlieskajte. Neznášam takéto prznenie ušľachtilej ľudovej kultúry.
@33PeterX na východe bola pôvodná dlžka sukne po kolekná...hlavne v Parchovanoch..ale máš pravdu, veľké súbory zhovaďujú pôvodný ľudový tanec a toto nosia do celého sveta.. som z parchovian a takto sa u nás naozaj netancuje :)
Drahá 2304jaga a 33PeterX, od monitora počítača sa veľmi ľahko dá kritizovať. Pochybujem, že niekto z vás dvoch vôbec niekedy tancoval v ľudovom súbore, hoci podľa Vašich vyjadrení sa zdá, že ste nositelia ľudových tradícií s čestným vyznamenaním od prezidenta Slovenskej republiky. Ale k veci, ak by mal každý súbor mať každý jeden región dokonale autenticky spracovaný, krokovo aj krojovo, za prvé, nedoplatil by sa za kroje
(pre ilustráciu, jedna ženská sukňa stojí okolo 70 - 80 eur, jeden chlapčenský klobúk okolo 20 - 30 eur). Za druhé, to čo je na videu, nieje autentika, ale štylistika (ak chcete autentiku, pozrite si napríklad FS Hornád alebo je plno iných súborov, ktoré sa zameriavajú na autentiku). A posledná vec, veľká väčšina ľudí v súboroch
@persian21 (tanečníci, vedúci, krojári, hudba, atd...) to robí pre lásku k folklóru a takéto podrývačské príspevky, aké ste tu vyprodukovali vy dvaja, dokážu človeka, ktorý trénuje 3x týždenne a obetuje svoj voľný čas, poriadne nasrať.
@CQIPR You may see many similarities in scardás, of course - but that is not the only dance Slovaks or Hungarians do have. You have to browse many other video´s to see many different cultral regions and it´s folclore dance.
@bibi5027 you are speaking about primitive slav tribs? During the hungarian conquest there were nod slovac, chroat, chekians,etc, They spoke about the same slav lenguage until the XVI centurry. That was the reason that Mátyás could speak and understand all slav lenguage around Hungary. The slovac nation may thanks for Hungary that tuday there are at all slovacs on the world. in ohter countries they must have asimilated to the bigger slav groups.
@CQIPR If you like I can send you many links, where you will notice the differences.
There are many region, where teh connection to the hungarrians were strong, On that regions almost impossible to say that tune is hungarian or slovac. This is for example the Zemplén-Zemplin region. But here for example the polifonia is again clean slovac. SOme hungarain villages also sing in polifon but that is slovac effect.
@drdexter2009 Mostly Hungarians were recieving culture from Slovaks in the past, because native hungarians were barbarians. For example: prove for this is Hungarian language itself. Most of the hungarian words which are used to name agrarian things are recieved from Slovak language - lopata (original Slovak word which is also used in another slavic languages - lapát (in hungarian langauge) etc...And about dance there is not any historical prove that čardáš was discovered by Hungarian ethnic.
@Boborbsea hm can you imagine that this is the opposite? i mean ussually the larger groups are whose assimilate not the smaller... and even today's after a century of nationalism in Slovakia, hungarians are far more then slovaks etnicy....(in 1920 it was around from the 30M Hungary it was 20M hungarian and only 1.7M slovak...). About the csardasor czardas as you write this is a folk dance not a science to need be discovered...
@Boborbsea and if is not hungarian then why is present only on that regions where hungarian lives?(Slovakia[Felvidek], Transilvania[Erdely], Voivodina[Vajdasag] and of course Hungary?) it seems unlikely for me... i do not say that the slovak people [tot] have no tradition, i say that they was live with ungarian more than a milenium so they have a lot similar culture, and the stronger influence more the weaker, but also the smaller group also have influence, and after me this is not a shame
@ramszesz87 Felvidek is just nonsenses Of Hungarian,this was still Slovak land,and Austria Hungaria also wasnt just Hungaria,we were also just part this,like we,yugoslavia etc
@Boborbsea "because native hungarians were barbarians" - thank you
I'm Hungarian and never liked anything Slovak before because I didn't know much about them. Now I'm discovering how beautiful is almost everithing they do. How much good we share and how many same things that we have is unbelivable. Makes me anvy to see them do some common things better than us. I don't want to say bad things about the Slovaks.
@Boborbsea not by the hungarian ethnic, but the hungariaans nobels.
Csárdás,
palotás
körmagyar
verbunk
these are the main dances of the refom ages, and these music was written music that time.
Bihari wrote more then 100 verbunk and these music was folklorized in the hungarian kingdom
You should search in you vocbulary how manz thousend hungarain words you use. The hungarians have perhaps a few slovac, and a lot ancientslav and not slovac words.
@MrFefefofo Name me atleast 9 Slovak words which have hungarian origin, it shouldn't be a problem when you are saying that there are thousands of hungarian words that Slovaks are using. From historical view hungarians have taken all words which are connected to ground and agrarian things from Slavic languages mostly from Slovak. Slovak language is consisted from Slavic base as every Slavic language. There is no Slavic language what is using Ugrian words. You should go back to Elementary school.
@Boborbsea , i see MrFefe is also on Slovak videos. He is also on Romanian vids, by the way. He is just very annoyed that Romanians were already in Transylvania according to the oldest Hungarian chronicle, Gesta Hungarorum + a dozen of other chronicles. It must be such a pain seeing that thing written in the ancient hungarian chronicle. But i like Mr Fefe, he is an introverted hater, he keeps the anger in himself.
@MrFefefofo , of course you have many slavic words dear friend. That's because Hungarians are mostly Slavs ( dominant genetic marker ), Germans and Romanians who adopted hungarian language. You can check that on the genetical map of Europe, on Eupedia.
great dancing skils. Slavic people are natural, nobody in the world can do this as good. in terms of "czardas' origin every professional knows that this music is a blend of slovak, roma and hungarian cultures, that's what makes it special. in terms of brotherhood - hungarian people have the same genetic spectrum as slovaks. R1a gene indicates slavic people, hungarians have the same percentage of slavic gene as the czechs and significantly more than serbs or bulgarians. Hungarians are Slavs.
@slavicman09 I do really enjoyed that dance also,I have slavic background too but I disagree with only one thing you said.Hungarians, as far as I know, are ugric people originaly from Ural mountains.However the close locations of Hungary with other slavic countries , culture and folklore can be seen as pretty much similar.And of course mixed marriages could possibly contribute into R1a gene you mentioned before,and it goes wihout saying we all must live in mutual respect and brotherhood.
@Glasgowman100 if you do research youll find out that r1a which is slavic is the highest percentage in hungary. next is r1b which is considered Germanic and western people. hungarians are Ugric people and have ugric language but after 1000 years of being in present day hungary they have changed and become moslty slavic and a mixture of germanic and few other things,
but that asian gene is only around 1% you can find this information on Eupedia.com a website created by the EU and search hungarian genetics. it also lists all the genetics of every europe nation. this would explain also why there are so many slovak words found in the hungarian language and why hungarians have similar culture and folklore, and yes i agree there should always be respect and brotherhood among us expecially since were are so closely intertwined
@slavicman09 Was watching last game Slovakia v Italy, that was absolutelly fabulous man honestly.This is what I'm talking about man.Well done another words.
@Glasgowman100 thanks man i cant believe it also, when i was watching that game i was so excited, it makes me hope that we can go far in the world cup. hopefully we can do good against the netherlands on monday.
I am looking for information on slovak fairy tales and mythology (original stories). Please send me some links if you can. Hungarian, German, English sources are the best for me. But Slovak or Czech is also OK.
Thank you.
Great video! Wonderful music, really good dancers!
@petodell1 was not neccessary. thousend of slovac people came down to the Big Hungarian Plain during the summer agriculture work, but if not htis village its, neighbour. The are of the interaction was not north Hungarz where the slovac were in majority, but on the land, in summer time.
@petodell1 your comment clearly shows that you do not anything about the coltural interactions. Do you think the people did not move out from their village? There were markets, there were summer time agricultural works, there wer ethe army etc.
When the people learned somehwere new songs, they took it home and teached the other ones,. the ywere the "stars" that time.
from 2:45 one of the most knowen "hungarian nóta" the "Lakodalom van a mi utcánkban....." not folksong.
@petodell1 So from 2:45 you can here the slovac version ot a famous "magyar nóta" the "Lakodalom van a mi utcánkban,,," "there is a wedding in our street",,,,, This is a typical magyar nóta, and not folk song.
I was written by a gypsy composer living in Budapes, Perhaps, in Szeged, serving with music the urban population of hungary....they also turned to the clear folklore but that time that was too smelly so they wrote a "better " for the taste of the urban people. These are the story of..
@MrFefefofo When you have neigbour statates its normal that their music is influencing each other. And when we are on theme about čardáš Bartók said this "new-hungarian songs are based from songs of Polish swineherds. Réthei Prikkel told that "only first slow part of "čardáš" is of Hunarian origin" Jozef Kresánek told "on Slovak ground "čardáš" has origin from Slovak folk tradition and on Hungarian from Hungary folk tradition.
I am a very glad to watch that the Slovaks likes the Hungarian dances and music. So they use the common, more than 1000 years old culture and tradition of Carpathian Region.
The problem is that the neighbours want to still everything from our tradition. One roman told, that we have 2333 roman origin word in our lenguage. The trough is that not more the 19!!!. including brynza!! in their lenguage 2,7% is the hungarian words....But brynza is slovac...
You sir are prove how brainwashed Hungarians are !
You are simply magyarized people who totaly hate their own blood and think your something better at the same time you claim your not shauvinsts ?
Every single Historian on this planet will tell you the magyars where initially very few (a 1-3 hundred thousends)
who adopted lifestyle from the locals ! But still you insist your neighbors are stealing everthing from you ? You are pathetic liers since you had your first jewish president Aba Samuel !
Just I pointed that that where the slovacs were during the turkey war...They had no losses, becuse they lived in north of Hungary. Most of the serbs and romans (that time called wlaches) were janicsars in the rumelian army.
The slovacs went to live to the land after the osman were kick out. And ther were big empty areas. For example to Szarvas near the Körös river. Yes, From north, from the hills. Still most of the slovacs live there!!!
Other you do not know about the european nobility anything. I am sorry that the slovacs had not nobility, Trully speaking they had. They were "magyar nemes" part of the hungarian nobility, because that time to be part of it or not, was not a question of nationality!!!
Yes, that is true! During the ottomans we lost a lot of people. Because the hungarians were in war with them until the slovacs in the hills made a lot of children. Where were the slovacs that time?
"the slovaks in the hills made a lot of children" ???
do you have an idea how stupid and false that is ?!?
you are suggesting WE SLOVAKS WHERE SOME MOUNTAIN TRIBES ??
And you wrote the Documents in Pozsony are fraudulent ?!
Man everyone knows that the Hungarians are forging and destroying everthing that contradicts with their ideology go ask Romanians,Croats,Serbs etc.....
Please define: what means "magyar" in your brain? What is the "magyar genes" ?
As I know the magyars of Árpád was a union of 7 clans. Do you know the genes of them? Did they speak the same lenguage? Above this union the jász the kabar, the székely, the besenyő and the kun nation joined to this core!!! not speaking about the avars being here. Certanly genetically they were different among them. But culturally they were similar.
HaHa You know i love it when Hungarians run out of cogent arugments they allways come up with nonsense
like "a magyar is someone who is loyal to Hungary" and other blablablablablablablablabla
The FACTS are proven Historically and Genetically its not solely my opionon YOUR OWN HISTORIANS SAY THAT !!
Hungary has been almost completely devastated and depopulated during the Ottoman invasion and most of the nobility which happend to be true magyars where killed !!!
Please search one "birthday certificate" official document and present here. As I know in this kind of documents the nationality never was mentioned. If yes, please share it with the public here. And that's whay stayed so many hungarian in slovakia, because it was in the theory of parity! One slovak family from Hungary was changed to on hungarian family. And in hungary it was not forced. Who wanted they left!!! Other thing that the UN stopped this action that was everything but not human!!!!
Only one thing I would like to ask you about the genetics. What is your opinion about if somebody has 1 slovak grandfather, 1 german grandmather 1 hungarian grandfather and one serb grandmather? Are they worse people then if somebody has "clean" slovac or other genetic code? Please! What do you want to use for the genetic code? To prove that one is better then the other?
in 1947 My grand-grand mother told, she had german motherlenguage, but having hungaian filing. Her sister told she had hungarian motherlenguage but german origin. My grand-grandmother might stay, her sister had to go to Germany.
The hungarians did not want to lieve their home. that's why they told what they told!!!
Don't you think? One family from Slovaky arrived to Villany to my grand-grandmother house. He was Trellicska....
"they didnt want to leave their homes thats why...."
The Hungarians had to prove their Slovak origin by official Documents (birthcertificate etc) !
There was no such Thing as saying "im of Slovak Origin"
The Situation in Hungary was totaly different most people where simply given a chance by declaring themself as Hungarians because Hungary was and is a Ethno-Megamix
Most of the janicsars were serb in the rumelian army. They had to tax with boys.
The asimilation between the hugarians and serbs were vica-versa. Also between the slovac-magyars. Where the slovac were in majority many hungarian asimilated, and being asimilated nowadays. That is true for th slovacs living as minority to be asimilated to the majority. But do not forget!. Not only in Hungary but in Romania and Serb!
That's why so many serb and bosnian origin name of the janicsars. You can see the documents in Ankara. The arny was very well organised, many times they reported the members by name. Very nice documents to see who were the janicsárs....
You askec me , how the did the serbs come to Hungary. Once somebody told me his serb familyname was even registrated in Voivodina during the osman turkeys. Of course , Because that serbs were janicsárs. So not nativ....in the 17-th centuries and later more then 70-000 serb families changed from Kosovo to south Hungary.
Can be . But one thing you forgot! The Hungarians took the words related to the agriculture not from the osmans! But from middle asia turkey language.
That shows they had it 1100 years ago We know that words, coming to the hungarian lenguage during the osman time. there are many. But they not related to the agriculture. for example: sör. But not alma !!!
The Ottomans had two armies. One was the Anatolian army , The most of the sodiers were turky here. The second was the rumelian army. This was the european army, and the soldiers were from the occupied nations from the Balkan. One form of the tax there was to add boys for the army,. And they bacame janicsar.
I saw some slovakian "folk dance group"-s before but this is the first group that shows authentic dances. Until this video I saw only traditional dancers from the villages presenting the real slovak folklor. Greating from Hungary!
Are you back for more szitamos? Lets go through it AGAIN maybe you'll get it this time.... Dance and music transcend boarders. Hungarians dance polkas or waltzes just like Slovaks dance chardas. It is ignorant and in fact stupid to say that a dance is stolen. It may have originated in Hungary but dance spreads..
Do Hungarians play Rock and Roll music? YES. did they steal it from Americans, NO. its called "cultural migration" look it up...
Greetings from Hungary. Just so you don't think there aren't any Hungarians out there who respect Slovak culture - well I'm one. Please don't listen to all the blowhards, it's always the idiots who have such loud mouths. I for one am honoured to share this culture with Slovaks. Love and friendship from Budapest!
Again, brilliant! But if Slovaks "stole" the Cardas, ten I hope Hungarians don't Polka (its from Moravsko Slovacko) or dont waltz (its from Vienna) or dont do the Odzemok (its Slovak and Polish) BUT Hungarians do all these dances... and we dont call you thieves.
Slovaks & Hungarians have been one nation (in political meaning) for 1000 years. We have fough together in every war and we have sufferend together during all diseases until modern history.
We eat gulas and dance cardas, as Hungarians eat their "ebed" and "vacsora" or drink "palinka".
I am really sorry for that people who can not understand the interaction of the cultures. Of course the "cardas" has hungarian origin. But trully speaking the porka, polka, walzer, etc, has no hungarian origin. Did we steal them. Of course not. The hungarians liked it and learned it.. As the slovac neigbours liked the csárdás.
Its sad that on every video about Slovakia there is some Hungarian talking shit. Its pathetic and shows the true face of that nation. You are a sad and defeated people who live in the past, since you have no future. Slovakia will live long after you are dead no matter what you say or do with your bitterness!
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slovaks should be thankful for centuries of protection they enjoyed under the hungarian kings and should be more respectful toward their former masters...and stop stealing hungarian tradition such as "csardas"
Slavic nations had a highly developed culture before nomadic Hungarian tribes arrived.
The so called "protection" consisted of robbing, killing, enslaving and torturing surrounding nations, because that was the real Hungarian culture. Hungarian people should thank to their neighbors that they know today something more than just riding horses and killing!
I am very sorry you if you think about only this about the hungarians. The Hungarians lended much more - as specially in the folk music - then borrowing....What kind of written memoirs you can prestent to prove the high level cultue in the 9-th century? The first hungarian document is the faundation letter of the monostry of Tihany. from about 1000.
I have my doubt about the csardas originating from hungarians.the slavic tribes have been known to love singing and dancing from the antique
and giving that ancient magyars have been surrounded by millions of slavic people chances are rather high that they only contributed the name due to political dominance
In this case probably you are not right. The origin of the Csárdás can be driven back to about 1820 when the hungarian nobility faunded 3 dances. One was Palotás, other Körmagyar, and the third the Csárdás. So the Csárdás relativ new dance as the verbunk also. Form the cities it went to the villages and was getting folklorized.
By the way. Most of the scienists agree with Béla Bartók who proved that the hungarian folk music had far much more effect to the neighbours then their music to the hungarian one. The hungarian folk music is based on the pentaton scale. That is not nativ in europe. If you find tunes in relation with pentaton, that is certanly hugarian effect.
you mean ommiting ONE tone is the prove that the entire music is oriental/asian ?
Mate, give me 10 million bucks and i bring you as much "scientist" as you can handle that will agree on pretty much everything like "weapons of massdestruction" in irak or Al Qaida blew up the twin towers
Csárdás was founded for the nobility. They wanted to have something similar then the farmers had, Similar to the folk, But not the same because it was shitsmelly...In the hungarian nobility there were many not hungarian origin people too. Hrvats, serbs, slovaks etc. But they were hungarian nobles!!! And for them that was not important that they were hungarians, serbs, or etc. One was important. They were part of the hungarian nobilty.
Bela Bartok was on of the biggest Nationalist of his time comming allong with magyarization and his work where heavilly exploited for this cause (open secret)
the underliyng issue is that he an others simply rebranded the ancient folklore into beeing pure hungarian
ps with ONE tone i was referring to heptaton/pentaton, sorry its acutally 2 tones difference
Clerh8 I do not like argue with you because you have not the basic knoledge of the music theory. Sorry. The tunes has in relations and had evolution. But if you know the origin of the cardas, please publicate it. End we will smile a little....
Bartók the hungarian nationalist composed the "romanian dances", And a lot of others based on not hungarian folk but based on our neighbours folk musik. I do not understand. If he was nationalist, why did not he used only hungarian tunes?
I propose you to listen to his music, read his publications. From the first sourse!!! That is better. And if you can point out in his music or in his publications the natioanalism, then congratulation.
And do not mix the hungarian folk with the "magyar nóta" and "verbunkos". that was written by the gypsy musicians. Many tunes of them has been folklorized,but they can be pointed, and also can be founnd also in the slovak folkmusic.
Please show me when was declared that the strapacka is hungarian food? When was declared, that Kubicsek or Trellicka was hungarian name? What kind of clothes was declared to be hugnarian: the sandal "bocskor"? the hungarians had csizma. When they went to church that is sure.
one more. During "magyarization there were more roman school in transilvania, then in Romania. Isn't it strange? They learned in the schools built by the Hungarian-Austria monarchy. In their own language. But of couse they had to learn hungarian too.
dunno about the situation in romania but traditionally the romanians had allways kind of a defacto autonomy with a rulling caste while we "slovani" beeing numerically weaker where subjected to the law of the jungle
"Built by the Hungarian-Austrian Monarchy" ???
My friend as far as i remember the romanians had every right to receive proper social institutions for their hard earned money !
The fact is important. 120 years ago there wee more romanian lenguage school in Transylvania then behind the Karpati hills in Romania!
This is fact. So that was the hungarian "magyarization. You are right!!! They had the rights! More rightsthey had in Hungary then in Romania that time. Thats' why they crossed the Karpati during centuries, and became majority in Transylvania.
do you know the lenguage in the schools in Hungary during the centuries? I was not hungarian. I let you to tell me, Let's see do you know it or not? Do you receive the my longer answeres that I send you not through youtube?
you are representing the stereotyp slovaks who learns in the schools that the barbar hungarins came on horses here and learned everything from the slovacs. But how can be that in the hungarian lenguage there is no slav words refferring to the agriculture but more from the middle asia turkey lenguage? the answare is simple.
One thing I tell you. There were an advisor for Maria Terézia who could not controll the rebelis hungarians. He told her. The hungarian a praod netion. Praud of his history. Take away their history, and you can control them very easily. And 250 years ago they started to desinform the world about our history.
the question is not the source of the money. But for what was it spent. And it was spent for schools. And the Hungarian state spent more then the Roman.
This dances are much closer relation with the hungarian dances in the regio of Zemplin or Szatmár,, then with the dances in west Slovaky. Nice prove for the interaction of the cultures.
That would preasume that there was no Folklore before 1820 ?? I've seen excavation from ancient slavic burials and the clothes (parts of it) they recovered where remarkably similar to the one used in today folklore
I dont think anyone can claim to have invented the "cardas" it was simply picked up from old ideas circulating in the entire Kingdom
Who told, that there were not folklore? Please read first what was written!. Nobody. But there were no Csárdás before that time. Csárdás is one kind of new style dance. Before Csárdás there were many dances too for example circle dances, jumping dances, dances with arms, stick, etc. But not csárdás. By the way... many Csárdás tune was written by gypsies like Dankó Pista, and others, So many csárdás tune has composers!!!
this so awesome i love how they dance
tarikarslan2 1 month ago
Félicitations à vous Slovaques ! Enfin de la danse, pas des simagrées de lopettes.
Knut1961 5 months ago
Could somebody help me?
I want to know what the name of song that starts at 1:56.
Please! :)
WewweP 5 months ago
@WewweP "Ej na tarki, na tarki" watch?v=uVGRgqmyS14&feature=related
babenkaSK 5 months ago
LOL why are you guys ALWAYS fighting about the origins of the music? Every eastern-europe video with awesome music(like here) seems to have these arguments in the comments? Just WHY? Why do you care so much? For instance, Franz(Ferenc) Liszt was born in Hungary, but lived a great deal of his live in Germany as well in Austria and other places. But there's never a "HE WAS A HUNGARIAN YOU ***HOLE" etc. comments. Can someone explain?
titusbeertsen 5 months ago
Dear visitors...Please note...HUN-garian culture is SLAVIC culture.
HildaBone 7 months ago
@HildaBone
That's because magyars are a bunch of homosexual pilfering grab asses, who have no real culture so they stole Slovakian culture. I mean we did settle in what's now Slovakia while they were still fucking their ponies on the steppes of Asia! Why wouldn't they want to steal Slavic culture and mix with Slavs. Have ya ever seen magyar women...... NASTY!!!!!!!
AmericanFenian 6 months ago in playlist Slovak
@AmericanFenian can you detail here what did the hungarians stole from the slovakian culture?
I tell you the even in the slovakian culture there are more asian effect thank for the hungarians then slovac effect in the hungarian culture.
The hungarians gave much more for the neighbours, then got from them.
Stupid nationalist like you can not accept this. But that is your problem
MrFefefofo 5 months ago
Aspoň tomu, prosim Vás, nedávajte názov, že vraj traditional!!!??? Je to iba Neo-folk Slovakian dance.
33PeterX 7 months ago
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33PeterX 7 months ago
Ach zasa príšerný gýč až to bolí.. Pôvodný pravý kroj má dlhú sukňu. Nie minisukničku!!! A vraj Slovakian traditional...??? to si niekto robí srandu? Tá zhovadilá amerikanizácia kultúry je ako vidím v plnom prúde a vy tomu ešte tlieskajte. Neznášam takéto prznenie ušľachtilej ľudovej kultúry.
33PeterX 7 months ago
@33PeterX na východe bola pôvodná dlžka sukne po kolekná...hlavne v Parchovanoch..ale máš pravdu, veľké súbory zhovaďujú pôvodný ľudový tanec a toto nosia do celého sveta.. som z parchovian a takto sa u nás naozaj netancuje :)
2304jaga 6 months ago
@2304jaga
Drahá 2304jaga a 33PeterX, od monitora počítača sa veľmi ľahko dá kritizovať. Pochybujem, že niekto z vás dvoch vôbec niekedy tancoval v ľudovom súbore, hoci podľa Vašich vyjadrení sa zdá, že ste nositelia ľudových tradícií s čestným vyznamenaním od prezidenta Slovenskej republiky. Ale k veci, ak by mal každý súbor mať každý jeden región dokonale autenticky spracovaný, krokovo aj krojovo, za prvé, nedoplatil by sa za kroje
persian21 6 months ago
(pre ilustráciu, jedna ženská sukňa stojí okolo 70 - 80 eur, jeden chlapčenský klobúk okolo 20 - 30 eur). Za druhé, to čo je na videu, nieje autentika, ale štylistika (ak chcete autentiku, pozrite si napríklad FS Hornád alebo je plno iných súborov, ktoré sa zameriavajú na autentiku). A posledná vec, veľká väčšina ľudí v súboroch
persian21 6 months ago
@persian21 (tanečníci, vedúci, krojári, hudba, atd...) to robí pre lásku k folklóru a takéto podrývačské príspevky, aké ste tu vyprodukovali vy dvaja, dokážu človeka, ktorý trénuje 3x týždenne a obetuje svoj voľný čas, poriadne nasrať.
persian21 6 months ago
hungarian all the way !!!!
szerszamos 11 months ago
@szerszamos hardly
bibi5027 8 months ago
tell me somebody what is the different between hungarian and slovakian folkmusic and dance pls. i cant find any. all the same.
CQIPR 1 year ago
@CQIPR You may see many similarities in scardás, of course - but that is not the only dance Slovaks or Hungarians do have. You have to browse many other video´s to see many different cultral regions and it´s folclore dance.
andrisvk 1 year ago
@CQIPR we have lot of different things in folklor,its hard explain,Slovak was here long before Magyar,so we have still our own culture
bibi5027 8 months ago
@bibi5027 you are speaking about primitive slav tribs? During the hungarian conquest there were nod slovac, chroat, chekians,etc, They spoke about the same slav lenguage until the XVI centurry. That was the reason that Mátyás could speak and understand all slav lenguage around Hungary. The slovac nation may thanks for Hungary that tuday there are at all slovacs on the world. in ohter countries they must have asimilated to the bigger slav groups.
MrFefefofo 8 months ago
@CQIPR If you like I can send you many links, where you will notice the differences.
There are many region, where teh connection to the hungarrians were strong, On that regions almost impossible to say that tune is hungarian or slovac. This is for example the Zemplén-Zemplin region. But here for example the polifonia is again clean slovac. SOme hungarain villages also sing in polifon but that is slovac effect.
As Csárdás is originally hungarian dance.
MrFefefofo 8 months ago
It's the copy of the authentic Hungarian dance. What does csárdás (cardas) means in the Slovak language?
drdexter2009 1 year ago
@drdexter2009 Mostly Hungarians were recieving culture from Slovaks in the past, because native hungarians were barbarians. For example: prove for this is Hungarian language itself. Most of the hungarian words which are used to name agrarian things are recieved from Slovak language - lopata (original Slovak word which is also used in another slavic languages - lapát (in hungarian langauge) etc...And about dance there is not any historical prove that čardáš was discovered by Hungarian ethnic.
Boborbsea 1 year ago
@Boborbsea hm can you imagine that this is the opposite? i mean ussually the larger groups are whose assimilate not the smaller... and even today's after a century of nationalism in Slovakia, hungarians are far more then slovaks etnicy....(in 1920 it was around from the 30M Hungary it was 20M hungarian and only 1.7M slovak...). About the csardasor czardas as you write this is a folk dance not a science to need be discovered...
ramszesz87 11 months ago
@ramszesz87 dont forget,slovak live here long before Hungarian thats all
bibi5027 8 months ago
@Boborbsea and if is not hungarian then why is present only on that regions where hungarian lives?(Slovakia[Felvidek], Transilvania[Erdely], Voivodina[Vajdasag] and of course Hungary?) it seems unlikely for me... i do not say that the slovak people [tot] have no tradition, i say that they was live with ungarian more than a milenium so they have a lot similar culture, and the stronger influence more the weaker, but also the smaller group also have influence, and after me this is not a shame
ramszesz87 11 months ago
@ramszesz87 Felvidek is just nonsenses Of Hungarian,this was still Slovak land,and Austria Hungaria also wasnt just Hungaria,we were also just part this,like we,yugoslavia etc
bibi5027 8 months ago
@Boborbsea "because native hungarians were barbarians" - thank you
I'm Hungarian and never liked anything Slovak before because I didn't know much about them. Now I'm discovering how beautiful is almost everithing they do. How much good we share and how many same things that we have is unbelivable. Makes me anvy to see them do some common things better than us. I don't want to say bad things about the Slovaks.
TVaDaR 10 months ago
@TVaDaR I wish all slovakians and hungarians had the same opinion. Finger up.
sigmuska 9 months ago
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@TVaDaR I wish all slovakians and hungarians had the same opinion. Finger up.
sigmuska 9 months ago
@TVaDaR Thanks,finally normal opinion
bibi5027 8 months ago
@Boborbsea not by the hungarian ethnic, but the hungariaans nobels.
Csárdás,
palotás
körmagyar
verbunk
these are the main dances of the refom ages, and these music was written music that time.
Bihari wrote more then 100 verbunk and these music was folklorized in the hungarian kingdom
You should search in you vocbulary how manz thousend hungarain words you use. The hungarians have perhaps a few slovac, and a lot ancientslav and not slovac words.
MrFefefofo 8 months ago
@MrFefefofo Name me atleast 9 Slovak words which have hungarian origin, it shouldn't be a problem when you are saying that there are thousands of hungarian words that Slovaks are using. From historical view hungarians have taken all words which are connected to ground and agrarian things from Slavic languages mostly from Slovak. Slovak language is consisted from Slavic base as every Slavic language. There is no Slavic language what is using Ugrian words. You should go back to Elementary school.
Boborbsea 8 months ago
@Boborbsea , i see MrFefe is also on Slovak videos. He is also on Romanian vids, by the way. He is just very annoyed that Romanians were already in Transylvania according to the oldest Hungarian chronicle, Gesta Hungarorum + a dozen of other chronicles. It must be such a pain seeing that thing written in the ancient hungarian chronicle. But i like Mr Fefe, he is an introverted hater, he keeps the anger in himself.
gogoasacenusie 8 months ago 3
@MrFefefofo , of course you have many slavic words dear friend. That's because Hungarians are mostly Slavs ( dominant genetic marker ), Germans and Romanians who adopted hungarian language. You can check that on the genetical map of Europe, on Eupedia.
gogoasacenusie 8 months ago
@drdexter2009 Its not copy,every think it is hungary dance,but we were here long before Hungarian,
bibi5027 8 months ago
to ma potesilo:)
theglobecruiser 1 year ago
great dancing skils. Slavic people are natural, nobody in the world can do this as good. in terms of "czardas' origin every professional knows that this music is a blend of slovak, roma and hungarian cultures, that's what makes it special. in terms of brotherhood - hungarian people have the same genetic spectrum as slovaks. R1a gene indicates slavic people, hungarians have the same percentage of slavic gene as the czechs and significantly more than serbs or bulgarians. Hungarians are Slavs.
slavicman09 1 year ago
@slavicman09 I do really enjoyed that dance also,I have slavic background too but I disagree with only one thing you said.Hungarians, as far as I know, are ugric people originaly from Ural mountains.However the close locations of Hungary with other slavic countries , culture and folklore can be seen as pretty much similar.And of course mixed marriages could possibly contribute into R1a gene you mentioned before,and it goes wihout saying we all must live in mutual respect and brotherhood.
Glasgowman100 1 year ago
@Glasgowman100 if you do research youll find out that r1a which is slavic is the highest percentage in hungary. next is r1b which is considered Germanic and western people. hungarians are Ugric people and have ugric language but after 1000 years of being in present day hungary they have changed and become moslty slavic and a mixture of germanic and few other things,
slavicman09 1 year ago
but that asian gene is only around 1% you can find this information on Eupedia.com a website created by the EU and search hungarian genetics. it also lists all the genetics of every europe nation. this would explain also why there are so many slovak words found in the hungarian language and why hungarians have similar culture and folklore, and yes i agree there should always be respect and brotherhood among us expecially since were are so closely intertwined
slavicman09 1 year ago
@slavicman09 I will have a look.Thank you for sharing your knowledge.Best regards to all slovak people from Scotland.
Glasgowman100 1 year ago 2
thanks same to you
slavicman09 1 year ago
@slavicman09 Was watching last game Slovakia v Italy, that was absolutelly fabulous man honestly.This is what I'm talking about man.Well done another words.
Glasgowman100 1 year ago
@Glasgowman100 thanks man i cant believe it also, when i was watching that game i was so excited, it makes me hope that we can go far in the world cup. hopefully we can do good against the netherlands on monday.
slavicman09 1 year ago
Excellent dance! Bravooo!
bluereflektor 1 year ago
Hi!
I am looking for information on slovak fairy tales and mythology (original stories). Please send me some links if you can. Hungarian, German, English sources are the best for me. But Slovak or Czech is also OK.
Thank you.
Great video! Wonderful music, really good dancers!
soge84x 1 year ago 2
Se parece muito à dança húngara!
raonipaes 1 year ago
This is hungarian dance : Csárdás
drdexter2009 1 year ago
demeter ty už si chorý z toho šovinizmu. you are ill
profyto 1 year ago 2
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lol @ Slovaks dancing to Hungarian tune.
Tancuj podvod, tancuj.
DanielofDemeter 1 year ago
to kerecsen2000
in region Parchoviany never bin hungarian culture
petodell1 2 years ago 7
@petodell1 was not neccessary. thousend of slovac people came down to the Big Hungarian Plain during the summer agriculture work, but if not htis village its, neighbour. The are of the interaction was not north Hungarz where the slovac were in majority, but on the land, in summer time.
MrFefefofo 8 months ago
@petodell1 your comment clearly shows that you do not anything about the coltural interactions. Do you think the people did not move out from their village? There were markets, there were summer time agricultural works, there wer ethe army etc.
When the people learned somehwere new songs, they took it home and teached the other ones,. the ywere the "stars" that time.
from 2:45 one of the most knowen "hungarian nóta" the "Lakodalom van a mi utcánkban....." not folksong.
A gypsy write it ....
MrFefefofo 8 months ago
@petodell1 So from 2:45 you can here the slovac version ot a famous "magyar nóta" the "Lakodalom van a mi utcánkban,,," "there is a wedding in our street",,,,, This is a typical magyar nóta, and not folk song.
I was written by a gypsy composer living in Budapes, Perhaps, in Szeged, serving with music the urban population of hungary....they also turned to the clear folklore but that time that was too smelly so they wrote a "better " for the taste of the urban people. These are the story of..
MrFefefofo 8 months ago
these are the story of thousends "hungariaan song" and many many folklorised even in the slovak folk music.
Parchoviany can be faar from the hungarian ethnic, but radio was there also....I forgot to mention before the effect of the radios
but the interaction was full duplex, so we have some area where the effect of the slovac folk music is clean,
Bartók sad, htat the hungarian had given much more for hte neigbours, then borrowed it.
Studiing slovac folkmusic , this is true.
Youlikeornot
MrFefefofo 8 months ago
@MrFefefofo When you have neigbour statates its normal that their music is influencing each other. And when we are on theme about čardáš Bartók said this "new-hungarian songs are based from songs of Polish swineherds. Réthei Prikkel told that "only first slow part of "čardáš" is of Hunarian origin" Jozef Kresánek told "on Slovak ground "čardáš" has origin from Slovak folk tradition and on Hungarian from Hungary folk tradition.
Boborbsea 7 months ago
@MrFefefofo Origin of word roots in Hungarian language: Uncertain - 30% // Finno-Ugric - 21% // Slavic - 20% // German - 11% // Turkic - 9.5% // Latin and Greek - 6% // Romance - 2.5% // Other known - 1% //. Source: answers.com/topic/hungarian-language
Boborbsea 7 months ago
I am a very glad to watch that the Slovaks likes the Hungarian dances and music. So they use the common, more than 1000 years old culture and tradition of Carpathian Region.
kerecsen2000 2 years ago 2
@IvanovicSk What do you mean dear?
The origin of the tune? That is clear, it has a composer. A gypsy violinist.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
I think this the Chardas dance...
DavidItzak 2 years ago
Sorry for the word, but I could not find better one. If you deny 1+1=2 how to step further to the logarytm???
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Dear! That tune what I mentionedhas composer!!!! It is not folk song!
It went to the folk! but the origin is a melody by a gypsy composer!!!
If you can not accept this simple fact - and this is not hunarian propaganda -
Then how to continue about more difficult question to have agreement?
I am very sad, But still bilieve in the future, that the next slovac generation will have not woodhead.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
search in youtube for this:
The Ironies of The Carpathian Basin: Part 1 - Slovakia
Et the end there is the surprice!!!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Ok i've read this magyar propaganda and frankly i wouldnt mind if there would be at least 10% truth
but unfortunately you guys keep liyng t'ill the roof comes down !
Hungarians are brainwashed by default no wonder they swallow that you guys simply believe what is preferable to Hungary
scientific accuracy is not desired
(ps read my comment i left there)
clerh8 2 years ago
The problem is that the neighbours want to still everything from our tradition. One roman told, that we have 2333 roman origin word in our lenguage. The trough is that not more the 19!!!. including brynza!! in their lenguage 2,7% is the hungarian words....But brynza is slovac...
so you have to argue with the romans...
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
You sir are prove how brainwashed Hungarians are !
You are simply magyarized people who totaly hate their own blood and think your something better at the same time you claim your not shauvinsts ?
Every single Historian on this planet will tell you the magyars where initially very few (a 1-3 hundred thousends)
who adopted lifestyle from the locals ! But still you insist your neighbors are stealing everthing from you ? You are pathetic liers since you had your first jewish president Aba Samuel !
clerh8 2 years ago
during the history we were host for many-many thousend serb and roman refugees, Who came from the ottoman.
The romans became majority in transylvania after 1717 the last tatar invasion, They came from the area still occupied by the ottomans.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
I would like to inform you what means shauzivinism.
To hate the other nations. We do not do that. We were always host in the history.
but we have a proverb. "Eresz be a tótot a házadba és kiver onnan" Let the slovac come into your house, and he will kick you out from there.
This is hungarian proverb.
No shauvinism. Simple proverb.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
To MrFefefofo:
Čo si MAĎAR?
This is slovak proverb.
No shauvinism. Simple proverb. =P
dluis1 2 years ago
Dear! I like the clean organic folk, from everywhere in the earth. This is also that.
Just I mentioned, some tune has not organic origin....
That generated a strom.... Sorry for yout sensitivity but for me the truth is important.
Where is the shovinism? Do you know at all what does this word mean???
MrFefefofo 2 years ago 2
yes! We call this together smallAntant!
Just I pointed that that where the slovacs were during the turkey war...They had no losses, becuse they lived in north of Hungary. Most of the serbs and romans (that time called wlaches) were janicsars in the rumelian army.
The slovacs went to live to the land after the osman were kick out. And ther were big empty areas. For example to Szarvas near the Körös river. Yes, From north, from the hills. Still most of the slovacs live there!!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
One more thing you say Slovaks didnt participate in battles
Thats a complete lie !! Many soldiers have been slovaks the magyars back then made merely 20 percent of the fighting force
In Fact the overwhelming majority of the defence forces where Germans !!!
I can only say this is typical magyar nationalism where the Hungarian is the ÜberMensch and all the other nations are scum
You guys keep liyng like the Jews i think thats your true ethnicity !!
clerh8 2 years ago
Other If you want to study the history you have to visit OSZK, where the documents of centuries are stored. And not to Pozsony!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Other you do not know about the european nobility anything. I am sorry that the slovacs had not nobility, Trully speaking they had. They were "magyar nemes" part of the hungarian nobility, because that time to be part of it or not, was not a question of nationality!!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Yes, that is true! During the ottomans we lost a lot of people. Because the hungarians were in war with them until the slovacs in the hills made a lot of children. Where were the slovacs that time?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
You see this is typical hungarian chauvinism
"the slovaks in the hills made a lot of children" ???
do you have an idea how stupid and false that is ?!?
you are suggesting WE SLOVAKS WHERE SOME MOUNTAIN TRIBES ??
And you wrote the Documents in Pozsony are fraudulent ?!
Man everyone knows that the Hungarians are forging and destroying everthing that contradicts with their ideology go ask Romanians,Croats,Serbs etc.....
clerh8 2 years ago
I had some simple question to you. Was they very hard? I did not run out of anything. Just I aksed someting, and I kindly ask again!
Please what means magyar.... and the other questions.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
I allready said
to a certain extent imigration and assimilation is normal and i have no objection to this concept
But what happend in Hungary can be best compared to the white imigrants in america who make the vast majority of the USA
With the notable difference the White Americans dont run around and claim "they are descendends of the Sioux or Cherokee" !!!
clerh8 2 years ago
We are not magyars, but we preffer the gulyás instead of halusky....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Listen! If you grow up among gypsies. You will be gypsy!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
The hungarians were always receivers. Read what Szent István teached to his son Imre!!!
You sould learn a lot from this 1000 years old document!!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Please define: what means "magyar" in your brain? What is the "magyar genes" ?
As I know the magyars of Árpád was a union of 7 clans. Do you know the genes of them? Did they speak the same lenguage? Above this union the jász the kabar, the székely, the besenyő and the kun nation joined to this core!!! not speaking about the avars being here. Certanly genetically they were different among them. But culturally they were similar.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
HaHa You know i love it when Hungarians run out of cogent arugments they allways come up with nonsense
like "a magyar is someone who is loyal to Hungary" and other blablablablablablablablabla
The FACTS are proven Historically and Genetically its not solely my opionon YOUR OWN HISTORIANS SAY THAT !!
Hungary has been almost completely devastated and depopulated during the Ottoman invasion and most of the nobility which happend to be true magyars where killed !!!
clerh8 2 years ago
by the way... did you check the slovac origin of the tune at 3:42 ???
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
And you can be praud of that!. I think it was a very dard chapter of the slovac hystory.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Please search one "birthday certificate" official document and present here. As I know in this kind of documents the nationality never was mentioned. If yes, please share it with the public here. And that's whay stayed so many hungarian in slovakia, because it was in the theory of parity! One slovak family from Hungary was changed to on hungarian family. And in hungary it was not forced. Who wanted they left!!! Other thing that the UN stopped this action that was everything but not human!!!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
That Anwser was forseable
You Guys cannot confirm your Heritage by Genetics,History and Documents so the only Argument left is
"disagree,twist and deny everthing" :-P
(no offense just my opinion)
clerh8 2 years ago
Only one thing I would like to ask you about the genetics. What is your opinion about if somebody has 1 slovak grandfather, 1 german grandmather 1 hungarian grandfather and one serb grandmather? Are they worse people then if somebody has "clean" slovac or other genetic code? Please! What do you want to use for the genetic code? To prove that one is better then the other?
this is a little bit fasistoid. Don't you think?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
I wouldnt have ANY Problem with your assumption at all !! IF what you just wrote would be true !!
Your trying to present yourself as a mix between Magyar and Non-Magyar - but thats a BIG FAT LIE !
95% of Hungarians DONT CARRY THE MAGYAR GENES AT ALL !!
Nadas Zero Nincs Nicht Non Niente !!
Take a look at Germany or Spain
People on the average Still have like 30-40% the same blood as 5000 years ago !
You guys are NOT magyars !!!!
(Dont believe me then ask the Experts !!!)
clerh8 2 years ago
But we can confirm the Heritage by Genetics. It is very colour! And that is very good for the hungarian blood!!!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@MrFefefofo actually Hungary genetic doesnt exist,cuse Here were just slovanian,slovanian are biggest nationality of the world
bibi5027 8 months ago
in 1947 My grand-grand mother told, she had german motherlenguage, but having hungaian filing. Her sister told she had hungarian motherlenguage but german origin. My grand-grandmother might stay, her sister had to go to Germany.
The hungarians did not want to lieve their home. that's why they told what they told!!!
Don't you think? One family from Slovaky arrived to Villany to my grand-grandmother house. He was Trellicska....
Funny???
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Youre just wishguessing by saying:
"they didnt want to leave their homes thats why...."
The Hungarians had to prove their Slovak origin by official Documents (birthcertificate etc) !
There was no such Thing as saying "im of Slovak Origin"
The Situation in Hungary was totaly different most people where simply given a chance by declaring themself as Hungarians because Hungary was and is a Ethno-Megamix
clerh8 2 years ago
Most of the janicsars were serb in the rumelian army. They had to tax with boys.
The asimilation between the hugarians and serbs were vica-versa. Also between the slovac-magyars. Where the slovac were in majority many hungarian asimilated, and being asimilated nowadays. That is true for th slovacs living as minority to be asimilated to the majority. But do not forget!. Not only in Hungary but in Romania and Serb!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
about the assimilation...
in 1946 the slovak governmant wanted to deport all hungarians from slovakia those who could prove their slovak ancestry could stay wich was 99%
funny after 1948 the slovak governmant dropped the strict law and suddenly all magyars wanted to be counted as hungarians again
it shows that the ethnicity isnt an important factor hungarians
clerh8 2 years ago
the newly arrived serbs lived for 150 years in improvised housings (mostly dug half in the earth)
during the fighting years many moved to what is today slovak border
the city of komarom was almost entierly defended by serbs
clerh8 2 years ago
you mean the serb-janicsars.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
no i meant the serbs
the janicsar where basically turkyified bulgarian,greek,croat,german,roman boys brought up in turkey
acutally a lot of you magyars are descendents of serbs
clerh8 2 years ago
That's why so many serb and bosnian origin name of the janicsars. You can see the documents in Ankara. The arny was very well organised, many times they reported the members by name. Very nice documents to see who were the janicsárs....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
army,slavery everything was very well organized in the ottoman empire bcoz for them it was crucial
many ottoman rulers had serb,greek,bulgar origin thats why so many turks look like european because their ancestors where captured
btw u have it a bit wrong most serbs ended up in hungary bcoz they had to flee serbian land
the converted bosnians and albanians have been ordered by the sultan to decimate the serbs
(read the great serb migrations)
clerh8 2 years ago
You askec me , how the did the serbs come to Hungary. Once somebody told me his serb familyname was even registrated in Voivodina during the osman turkeys. Of course , Because that serbs were janicsárs. So not nativ....in the 17-th centuries and later more then 70-000 serb families changed from Kosovo to south Hungary.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Can be . But one thing you forgot! The Hungarians took the words related to the agriculture not from the osmans! But from middle asia turkey language.
That shows they had it 1100 years ago We know that words, coming to the hungarian lenguage during the osman time. there are many. But they not related to the agriculture. for example: sör. But not alma !!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
you have to take in account the OTTOMAN turkish wasnt turkish but 50-70% aramaic(arab) !!!
So you only can fool a illiterate person, my friend !
the problem hier is that the turkish elite spoke a langugae that was barely understandable to the average turk ! (so it could come from there)
one can assume that to a certain level all people develop some kind of understanding the ancient magyars certainly knew "plowing or gathering"
whether they really practiced it - i doubt it
clerh8 2 years ago
The Ottomans had two armies. One was the Anatolian army , The most of the sodiers were turky here. The second was the rumelian army. This was the european army, and the soldiers were from the occupied nations from the Balkan. One form of the tax there was to add boys for the army,. And they bacame janicsar.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
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MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Azért a magyar lányokon a pendely hosszab volt. Persze ha volt rajtuk!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
;o) watch?v=9pv90xZ8eJc
babenkaSK 2 years ago
Which village is the origin of this "cardas"?
I think somwhere in the east.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
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babenkaSK 2 years ago
Village "Parchovany" - region Zemplin
babenkaSK 2 years ago
I saw some slovakian "folk dance group"-s before but this is the first group that shows authentic dances. Until this video I saw only traditional dancers from the villages presenting the real slovak folklor. Greating from Hungary!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
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boborko79 2 years ago
WARNING!!!
There is a TROLL on this page named szerszamos PLEASE don't feed it
boborko79 2 years ago 3
Are you back for more szitamos? Lets go through it AGAIN maybe you'll get it this time.... Dance and music transcend boarders. Hungarians dance polkas or waltzes just like Slovaks dance chardas. It is ignorant and in fact stupid to say that a dance is stolen. It may have originated in Hungary but dance spreads..
Do Hungarians play Rock and Roll music? YES. did they steal it from Americans, NO. its called "cultural migration" look it up...
boborko79 2 years ago
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kktunder 2 years ago
te gügye...ez teljesen magyar....szlovákok lopják a magyar kúltúrát ....
CSARDAS IS HUNGARIAN NOT SLOVAK
szerszamos 2 years ago
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kktunder 2 years ago
ne burkold....mond hogy ezek tolvajok !!!
szerszamos 2 years ago
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kktunder 2 years ago
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jól meg aszondtad....igazán gondolod hogy a buta szlovák megérti ??? naiv vagy...ha szájbavágod azt majd megérti...
SLOVAKS TRY TO STEAL HUNGARIAN CULTURE !!!
szerszamos 2 years ago
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babenkaSK 2 years ago
Please, stop. If you go in this way I will have to block you, ok? Slovaks and Magyars are like brothers, no like enemies.
zaixega 2 years ago
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
boborko79 2 years ago
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
boborko79 2 years ago
Szó sincs itt lopásról, Egyszerúen együtélésről van szó.
Ahogy a "hármat tojotta fekete kánya"-ra sem kell azt mondani, hogy loptuk a szerbektől. Délszláb hatás. Ennyi.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
;-)) watch?v=6DkOb5UNnoE
babenkaSK 2 years ago 4
long live the croatian tamburica and kolo. siroki brijeg bosna i hercegovina
izbicno1 2 years ago 3
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lostturtlesandbox 2 years ago
Greetings from Hungary. Just so you don't think there aren't any Hungarians out there who respect Slovak culture - well I'm one. Please don't listen to all the blowhards, it's always the idiots who have such loud mouths. I for one am honoured to share this culture with Slovaks. Love and friendship from Budapest!
fonoBZ 2 years ago 22
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suck up !!!
szerszamos 2 years ago
suck up? wow stunning and intelligent rebuttal. good for you.
boborko79 2 years ago
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another suck up !!!
szerszamos 2 years ago
Again, brilliant! But if Slovaks "stole" the Cardas, ten I hope Hungarians don't Polka (its from Moravsko Slovacko) or dont waltz (its from Vienna) or dont do the Odzemok (its Slovak and Polish) BUT Hungarians do all these dances... and we dont call you thieves.
boborko79 2 years ago 2
I really enjoy such positive comment.
Slovaks & Hungarians have been one nation (in political meaning) for 1000 years. We have fough together in every war and we have sufferend together during all diseases until modern history.
We eat gulas and dance cardas, as Hungarians eat their "ebed" and "vacsora" or drink "palinka".
Borevit 2 years ago
Yeh, I agree. We have these idiots in Slovakia too with Slota in the front line. I think Hungary's a beautiful country as well as Slovakia.
marianjunior23 2 years ago 2
I am really sorry for that people who can not understand the interaction of the cultures. Of course the "cardas" has hungarian origin. But trully speaking the porka, polka, walzer, etc, has no hungarian origin. Did we steal them. Of course not. The hungarians liked it and learned it.. As the slovac neigbours liked the csárdás.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Zawsze mnie to dziwi.. :P
Dlaczego one kiedyś nosiły takie krótkie spódniczki? :P Niby mają jakieś halki pod tym, no ale.. :P
Angelika949 2 years ago 4
Its sad that on every video about Slovakia there is some Hungarian talking shit. Its pathetic and shows the true face of that nation. You are a sad and defeated people who live in the past, since you have no future. Slovakia will live long after you are dead no matter what you say or do with your bitterness!
boborko79 2 years ago 2
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slovaks should be thankful for centuries of protection they enjoyed under the hungarian kings and should be more respectful toward their former masters...and stop stealing hungarian tradition such as "csardas"
szerszamos 2 years ago
Slavic nations had a highly developed culture before nomadic Hungarian tribes arrived.
The so called "protection" consisted of robbing, killing, enslaving and torturing surrounding nations, because that was the real Hungarian culture. Hungarian people should thank to their neighbors that they know today something more than just riding horses and killing!
janofano 2 years ago 7
I am very sorry you if you think about only this about the hungarians. The Hungarians lended much more - as specially in the folk music - then borrowing....What kind of written memoirs you can prestent to prove the high level cultue in the 9-th century? The first hungarian document is the faundation letter of the monostry of Tihany. from about 1000.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
I have my doubt about the csardas originating from hungarians.the slavic tribes have been known to love singing and dancing from the antique
and giving that ancient magyars have been surrounded by millions of slavic people chances are rather high that they only contributed the name due to political dominance
clerh8 2 years ago
In this case probably you are not right. The origin of the Csárdás can be driven back to about 1820 when the hungarian nobility faunded 3 dances. One was Palotás, other Körmagyar, and the third the Csárdás. So the Csárdás relativ new dance as the verbunk also. Form the cities it went to the villages and was getting folklorized.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
By the way. Most of the scienists agree with Béla Bartók who proved that the hungarian folk music had far much more effect to the neighbours then their music to the hungarian one. The hungarian folk music is based on the pentaton scale. That is not nativ in europe. If you find tunes in relation with pentaton, that is certanly hugarian effect.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
The pentaton isnt native to europe ??????????
you mean ommiting ONE tone is the prove that the entire music is oriental/asian ?
Mate, give me 10 million bucks and i bring you as much "scientist" as you can handle that will agree on pretty much everything like "weapons of massdestruction" in irak or Al Qaida blew up the twin towers
clerh8 2 years ago
Csárdás was founded for the nobility. They wanted to have something similar then the farmers had, Similar to the folk, But not the same because it was shitsmelly...In the hungarian nobility there were many not hungarian origin people too. Hrvats, serbs, slovaks etc. But they were hungarian nobles!!! And for them that was not important that they were hungarians, serbs, or etc. One was important. They were part of the hungarian nobilty.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
no one tune Sir! Hundreds.
But you should argue with Béla Bartók. He and Kodály Zoltán make the first records, in fonograf and gramofons, of the folk music in our region.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Bela Bartok was on of the biggest Nationalist of his time comming allong with magyarization and his work where heavilly exploited for this cause (open secret)
the underliyng issue is that he an others simply rebranded the ancient folklore into beeing pure hungarian
ps with ONE tone i was referring to heptaton/pentaton, sorry its acutally 2 tones difference
clerh8 2 years ago
Clerh8 I do not like argue with you because you have not the basic knoledge of the music theory. Sorry. The tunes has in relations and had evolution. But if you know the origin of the cardas, please publicate it. End we will smile a little....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
ps: maybe im not beethoven but i know the difference between TONE and TUNE !!!
clerh8 2 years ago
What you say about Bartók, that is quolifying you. This is the first time that I here he was nationalist.
But you even do not know what is the different between nationalizm and sovinizm. If you knew a little of his music, you would not say that.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
he was a man of his time and i'm not accusing all hungarian composers to be some sort ardent racial supremacist
but like most outstanding figures he was certainly draged into the hungarianistic stream whether consciously or not
you might do a research on that maybe that will balance your perspective
thehandstand org archive Dec2001 EdcellDec2001 articles bartok htm
(add slash and points between the spaces)
clerh8 2 years ago
Very good!
Bartók the hungarian nationalist composed the "romanian dances", And a lot of others based on not hungarian folk but based on our neighbours folk musik. I do not understand. If he was nationalist, why did not he used only hungarian tunes?
I propose you to listen to his music, read his publications. From the first sourse!!! That is better. And if you can point out in his music or in his publications the natioanalism, then congratulation.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
And do not mix the hungarian folk with the "magyar nóta" and "verbunkos". that was written by the gypsy musicians. Many tunes of them has been folklorized,but they can be pointed, and also can be founnd also in the slovak folkmusic.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
youve never read about magyarization dont you ?
back then EVERTHING was declared to be of magyar origin Food,Clothes,Music,Names,School etc
they simply didnt care whether it was or wasnt of magyar origin
its the same patern as in Germanisation,Habsburgisation,Czechisations etc
youre confusing Nazism with its predecessor (romantic) nationalism
the primary goal wasnt to
destroy foreign influence but to relabel and incorporate it
clerh8 2 years ago
Please show me when was declared that the strapacka is hungarian food? When was declared, that Kubicsek or Trellicka was hungarian name? What kind of clothes was declared to be hugnarian: the sandal "bocskor"? the hungarians had csizma. When they went to church that is sure.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
What kind of slovac food was declared to be hungarian, Please tell me, because my knowledge is defective.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
At 3:34 there is a song , one "magyar nóta" "Lakodalom van a mi utcánkban..."
"There is a wedding in our strreet...."
I want to tell you this is not folksong. It is a typical "magyar nóta"
But very good sample for the effects of the cultures to each other.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
we basically agree on that during magyarization every other language exept hungarian was left to decline and extinction ?
so given by common sense its only logic that they had to use hungarian names for this and that (even my grandma told me)
For obvious reason much (not all) of it was reverted as they do today in serbia (theyre kickin out the turkish words)
clerh8 2 years ago
one more. During "magyarization there were more roman school in transilvania, then in Romania. Isn't it strange? They learned in the schools built by the Hungarian-Austria monarchy. In their own language. But of couse they had to learn hungarian too.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
dunno about the situation in romania but traditionally the romanians had allways kind of a defacto autonomy with a rulling caste while we "slovani" beeing numerically weaker where subjected to the law of the jungle
"Built by the Hungarian-Austrian Monarchy" ???
My friend as far as i remember the romanians had every right to receive proper social institutions for their hard earned money !
clerh8 2 years ago
The fact is important. 120 years ago there wee more romanian lenguage school in Transylvania then behind the Karpati hills in Romania!
This is fact. So that was the hungarian "magyarization. You are right!!! They had the rights! More rightsthey had in Hungary then in Romania that time. Thats' why they crossed the Karpati during centuries, and became majority in Transylvania.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
as far we slovaks are concerned there was quite a severe magyarization going on
most of our shools have been closed and we didnt have one university most of our intellectuals went to prag or beograd
the worst was the humiliation and ethnic chauvinism but i dont know about other ethnicitys
i think youre presenting the typical magyar stereotyp with your assumption that romanians "migrated" into today transylvania
and what about us slovaks,serbs,croats ? we migrated into hungary too ???
clerh8 2 years ago
do you know the lenguage in the schools in Hungary during the centuries? I was not hungarian. I let you to tell me, Let's see do you know it or not? Do you receive the my longer answeres that I send you not through youtube?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
you are representing the stereotyp slovaks who learns in the schools that the barbar hungarins came on horses here and learned everything from the slovacs. But how can be that in the hungarian lenguage there is no slav words refferring to the agriculture but more from the middle asia turkey lenguage? the answare is simple.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
One thing I tell you. There were an advisor for Maria Terézia who could not controll the rebelis hungarians. He told her. The hungarian a praod netion. Praud of his history. Take away their history, and you can control them very easily. And 250 years ago they started to desinform the world about our history.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
during the 150 years occuptaion by the turks there where only very few hungarians left
hungary was know to have more lifestock than people and was the biggest producer of beef in europe !
so after 1683 when the habsburg resettled the puszta the new arrivers (who came in small groups) gradualy adopted the new turkish loanwords
i can assure you the serbs have fare more turkish loan words (also for agriculture) than you magyars (i think 5-6000)
clerh8 2 years ago
the question is not the source of the money. But for what was it spent. And it was spent for schools. And the Hungarian state spent more then the Roman.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
This dances are much closer relation with the hungarian dances in the regio of Zemplin or Szatmár,, then with the dances in west Slovaky. Nice prove for the interaction of the cultures.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
That would preasume that there was no Folklore before 1820 ?? I've seen excavation from ancient slavic burials and the clothes (parts of it) they recovered where remarkably similar to the one used in today folklore
I dont think anyone can claim to have invented the "cardas" it was simply picked up from old ideas circulating in the entire Kingdom
All partys contributed to the culture
clerh8 2 years ago
Who told, that there were not folklore? Please read first what was written!. Nobody. But there were no Csárdás before that time. Csárdás is one kind of new style dance. Before Csárdás there were many dances too for example circle dances, jumping dances, dances with arms, stick, etc. But not csárdás. By the way... many Csárdás tune was written by gypsies like Dankó Pista, and others, So many csárdás tune has composers!!!
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