The Insights of Eriugena -- an inspiration to pandeism

[PanDeism]

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[PanDeism]

But note -- we have not claimed that Eriugena was a pandeist; but simply that his insights moved philosophy along a path which, centuries after Eriugena himself, culminated in a pandeistic model.... we claim Eriugena not as a pandeist, but as inspirational for Pandeism!!

[wilband]

This video is crap and the person who made it knows nothing about Eriugena. I know 2nd year undergrads who have far more compelling readings. Don't listen to this guy. Read the book.

[PanDeism]

@wilband Any damned fool may point to a proposition and proclaim, "not so!!" -- this vid only addresses the pandeistic aspects of Eriugenian philosophy and not the whole of it, but still, you are welcomed to prove yourself to be no fool by offering and justifying YOUR interpretation of Eriugena....

[careyvinzant]

@PanDeism Your rather monistic presentation of Eriugena does no justice to his eschatology. Periphyseon V, in particular, goes to great lengths to demonstrate that the return of all things into God is not an abolition of their created nature and identity but a suffusing of created nature with divine glory. This is why E. spends much time discussing the various metaphors of fire and iron, air and light, instruments in an orchestra, lights in a church, and the golden ball seen by many viewers.

[careyvinzant]

@PanDeism Eriugena's eschatology is key to understanding his ontology in that it is in the eschaton that things will be most truly what they are. Ontology is concieved as radically conditioned by teleology. What things are can only be understood in light of what God has ultimately designed them to be. Hence, Eriugena's careful defense of particular quiddity in the eschaton (especially in Periphyseon V) militates against the sort of monism you seem to suggest.

[PanDeism]

@careyvinzant Well I surely didn'y claim Eriugena was without error -- for, after all, here we speak of a man of hte age when it was firmly believed that the sun orbited the Earth and illnesses were inflicted by demons or witch-curses.... but he was, no doubt, on to something by shifting theology in the direction of pandeistic -- even if his shift was just the preface to greater revolutionary realisation!!

[hartejoseph]

thats a very celtic idea it also goes with the vedic concept of shivas dance

[PanDeism]

@hartejoseph Hey, thanks for the note dude, I'll read up on that dance!!

[cartoonhead5]

It sounds more like panentheism than pandeism but then again they are quite similar concepts.Avicenna`s concept of god is very pandeistic so he also seems to have been an inspiration for pandeism.

[PanDeism]

@cartoonhead5 I ought to have added an observation there of Eriugena's conviction of the human experience -- as shared by our Creator -- providing the lens through which our Creator is at last able to frame itself.... a vital conception generally lacking in panentheistic theological thought....

[cartoonhead5]

@PanDeism The pandeistic creator is an unconscious being that could not share anything. However a panentheistic god would share human experience becuse such a being would be both "in" us and outside learning about itself though the experience of its creation which in itself is a part of God. So panentheism explains human experience better than an unconscious god.

[PanDeism]

@cartoonhead5 Read Robert G. Brown's "A Theorem Concerning God" -- you'll see that information theory precludes panentheism, for any part of our Creator existing outside our Universe would fail for receiving information inferior to that which it receives in the direct experience of being our Universe.... and my own article, Bungee Jumping into the Universe , describes why any external portion of the Creator would violate any rational purpose in creating a self-accelerating Universe....

[cartoonhead5]

@PanDeism my reply part 1- The pandeistic creator would not expreince anything becuse the moment it became the universe it ceased to exist. As for any part of our creator existing outside our Universe the material universe would be nothing but the "body" of god though which god could expreince his creation (which in itself is a part of god).

[cartoonhead5]

@PanDeism my reply part 2- but yet in his Essence be seperate from it. As for god creating a self-accelerating Universe,the universe like everything else must return to the source (i.e God) and perhaps the cycle will start again eternal births and rebirths of the material universe).