Apatheism (a portmanteau of apathy and theism/atheism), also known as pragmatic atheism or (critically) as practical atheism, is acting with apathy, disregard, or lack of interest towards belief or disbelief in a deity. I other words...I do not know and I do not care. Those type of people are the only true non-believers and those people can say they are atheists with no belief. But if on the other hand you are atheist that simply doesn't believe that god exists...but does care about how the
Atheism in itself is not a belief. Atheists can, however, believe that there is definately no god. This is called "strong atheism". I am an agnostic atheist. Based upon what I have observed, I don't believe in any of the gods that have been claimed to exist. There could be a god, but I don't believe that there is one due to lack of evidence.
Are you really that stupid? Atheism isn't a belief. Infact, it's the exact opposite, we refuse to believe in ANYTHING. Maybe you should look up the word 'believe' ? Because any intelligent atheist will only accept facts, things that can be proven to be true. And guess what, nothing to do with ANY religion can not be proven, while it has a ton of evidence against it, and if you're too blind to accept that then you really are moronic.
Also religious ppl use the word belief so freely it covers everything from religious faith & values through to thoroughly tested & peer reviewed science. This is comparing apples & oranges and if you cant, or wont, phrase your argument with more precise wording, I dont think anyone should take it seriously. Untill you use unambigious wording, you have failed to pose an argument.
I dont have a problem with god, just its fans. Powerful ignorant people have twisted religion. I really don' t care about religion or god, thats just my view. When I die i'll just see what happens. Being neutral i have to say athiests/ agnostics have way more proof then the religious view of life and logic. At the end I just really don't care.
someone is missing the point! Atheist know that theist have no proof of what they are saying and want the rest to take their opinion as fact. How can you vouch for something you don't know? If you never died and gone to heaven how can you want me to take your word for it? How about hell? Non-belief is not a belief - logic 101! True and not true = false! You have no proof just opinion. Atheist talk about what they can see and prove and nothing beyond that, they live opinion to you!
@ThandiNC Yeah, there are countless testimonies from theists AND atheists who have physically died and "by chance" revived and have explained what they've seen felt heard. Don't use that argument.
Who knows what the brain might be tricked into seeing/believing/remembering when being starved of oxygen or being given heavy doses of drugs. Not to mention what tricks the mind may play on itself to ease the knowledge that its dying and their is nothing that it can do to stop it.
I don't believe that gods exist. What's your problem with that? Why is it so important for to distort that non-belief into "I believe that gods don't exist?"
@freatork1 when did you hear him say he has a problem with your disbelief? The point of this video was CLEARLY stating atheism IS a belief despite popular atheistic rebuttals that atheism is NOT a belief. I'm sure he could care less what you believe/don't believe in.
@AeonFlexMusic "when did you hear him say he has a problem with your disbelief?"
My disbelief? According to the guy on the video, it isn't "disbelief," it's a "belief" that gods DON'T exist. They all seem to be labelling a non-belief as a belief. Why?
@AeonFlexMusic - "Atheism is a belief... watch the video again for clarification."
A bible pusher on YT using word association to link "non-belief" with "belief" clarifies nothing. What is the MOTIVE for distorting an atheists *non-belief in the existence of God* into a "belief?"
@Roushfan5 You're joking? "Tricks" is the best case you have? Ok, riddle me this, what do you say about the people who have physically died, (btw is record 30 min no pulse) and have come back to say they have experienced something never before imaginable, atheists/theists alike. You people will stop at nothing to eradicate the mere possibility of an intelligent designer, it's actually quite sad.
@AeonFlexMusic I just told you they are/where hallucinating. Tell me why that is such a bad theory. And just because I don't you arguments for a intelligent designer compelling hardly means that I’ll stop at nothing to eradicate the possibility of an intelligent designer.
And its quite sad how YOU people will stop and nothing to PROVE the possibility of a intelligent designer.
BTW, let me put it in even more simple terms in case someone can't understand.
If atheism is a belief, then people who don't believe in the tooth fairy, unicorn, or invisible friends etc. would also be considered as a belief. So your disbelief in other God/Gods/Goddesses, or any sort of fairy tale creatures would become a belief by that logic.
Instead of arguing over simple and pointless semantics, how about looking at the context and bring forth actual evidence instead of conjectures.
By definition of the language. "I don't believe God exist." and "I believe no God exist." are the same, but in any speech, it is the CONTEXT that matters.
Context wise, "I don't belief God exist." is a rejection of the claim made by someone else. (by theist claiming God exist in this case) On the other hand "I believe no God exist." is a declaration of opinion. Since theists have not shown evidence for their claim, atheism is currently simply the rejection of a claim.
I understand what you're trying to prove, but it is futile. You can pull up anything that'll definitively state that "by definition" or "logically" that atheism is a belief, but none of us care for that. I mean, by definition we are monkeys, but you can't seem to accept that. The only reason we say atheism is not a belief system (at least what I think, and I may be generalizing) is because of the connotation "belief" gives off. People typically think belief=religion in this situation.
@GodLowDown let's simplify things by delineating all statements we make into fact, opinion, or argument, like my 10th grade history teacher did for us. now, which of the above is most analogous to the word "belief"?
don't worry, we'll wait.
opinions are just statements of bias; an argument is a statement of bias supported and fuelled by facts (i.e. falsifiable statements). that's why beliefs are opinions and atheism is, usually, an argument, depending on WHY people are saying gods don't exist.
Atheism HAS NOT to pick one of the choices because atheists can basically just don't give a damn about where the universe came from. Everythin atheism is, is just not give a damn about your god. Only if the atheist is willing (ONLY THEN) to think about the origin of the universe, only then he/she has to pick one and since he/she is an atheist, he/she ignores the posibility of a creator. The believe in something else is optional for atheism wich stays per default a disbelieve.
Even 1st year science majors understand that statement 2 ("the universe spontaniously popped into existence") is in error. No one said there was no cause to the big bang (possibly a particle got to big for its britches).The cause would have been that particular particle but since we weren't there, we don't know.That's not to say we don't have evidence pointing us to this possiblity. I wish you guys would try and understand science a little better before trying to discredit it.
Firstly, to start your video with an ad hominem attack doesn't help the weight of your argument. Second, even if we were to grant you that those are the only three theories for how the universe was created (which they aren't) that still says nothing about a person's belief. A person could have one of an infinite number of beliefs as to how the universe was created. Therefor to judge what a person does believe by what they don't is impossible.
Let's say someone is born somewhere without the influence of religion, they have no knowledge of the Christian "God" or any other religion for that matter. You cannot say that they believe in the non existence of "God". It's like saying you believe in the non existence of Batman, by that logic everything you do not believe in becomes a belief. Atheists aren't members of a super secret club or anything like that, we only have to use the term because people believe in some fictional character.
And by the way, the word ''atheist'' has no link at all with the creation of the universe. What's stupid about your video is that you think we say we dont have beliefs because we're atheists. That's where you get it all wrong. Of course we have beliefs, like you said: we think the universe ''popped out of nowhere'', but the fact of having the atheist position is in no way a belief. Excuse my english.
You can't call us stupid if you're just not intelligent enough to understand. If not understanding that atheism is a position and not ''a belief in something'' makes your brain melt, then you're lacking a little bit of comprehension. An Anti-theist is someone who BELIEVES there is not god. An atheist is, like you said in the begining, just a lack of belief.
You say that the only logical answer it "I don't know and do not care".
1st, I'm not sure why the "don't care" portion of the answer is essential to the atheist perspective. We can not know and still be fascinated by the question.
2nd, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "I don't know". I am not a physicist, nor do I pretend to be. I haven't a clue where the Universe came from. That doesn't mean that I now have to commit myself to the belief in a deity.
Well it all depends on how you define atheism. You define it as "belief that here is no god", other people may not :) You see, people do not always agree with you, which i know is a problem for a theist but you'll just have to... DEAL WITH IT
Aah, but you could try to prove why there are only three possible answers to "How did the universe come into being". Heck you can even try to prove that this is not a rigged question ;) Arguments from ignorance... that's what we atheists call that :)
@GodLowDown A big problem for a lot people is the fact that they like to give an explanation to things they don't have answers for yet. The theists explain the things they don't have answers for with GOD while most atheists just kinda oppose the theists ideas. The only appropriate attitude people should have when they ask or get asked about the big questions is not the whole I'm certain type but doubt. Religion just allows people who don't have all the answers think that they do.
To claim that Atheism is a belief, is to claim that not believing in the Loch Ness Monster is a belief as well. This becomes quite obvious when one considers the fact that people did not believe in the Loch Ness Monster before the idea of such a creature was conceived.
Did people back then, before the idea of such a thing existed, have a belief that Loch Ness Monster didn't existed? No, because they haven't heard of the creature--they lacked the belief of this creature.
You're also using equivocation and straw man fallacies here. You begin by asking the question "Is atheism a belief" and then build a case for a much easier claim to prove, that "Atheists have beliefs".
So that's 3 logical fallacies in one video. Congratulations.
Of course atheism is a view and to suggest otherwise is to misunderstand the meaning of the word 'View'.
Your 3 options constitute a false dilemma, which means your argument is fallacious. There is one major option that you didn't consider in relation to what caused the universe. That is "I don't know".
It's possible to not claim anything about how the universe was created and also not believe in a god. It's also possible to lean towards a speculative theory without believing it is true.
No one is saying that atheism is nihilism. Of course atheists have beliefs their atheism just doesn't depend on them. If you have a belief in God, you are a theist, that's what makes you a theist. A theist who doesn't believe in God is logically contradictory. Atheists may have beliefs in regards to these questions but we are not in agreement, these beliefs aren't necessary for atheism.You keep babbling but you just don't have a clue.
It's not. Atheism is the conclusion we reach based on our logical reasoning. Since there is no method to prove God exists, as far as I'm aware of, we don't believe. That's rational. Atheism is a description of that rationale applied to lack of belief in Gods.
That's why atheism is not a belief, opinion, judgement or viewpoint. Rocks are atheist. Tell me what their viewpoint is.
Wow its good to know your rebbuting leading and famous atheist minds such as fatouche99. I mean that guy's just the atheist dictionary and one of the leaders of the modern atheist movement it's certainly the first person I would ask if I wanted to know the definition of "atheist"
"I can't believe I have to do a video on this concept."
I can't believe it either since you're not convincing on any point, nor do you add anything new to the debate.
The word 'Atheist' is a loaded word and has ceased to have a single meaning, just like the word 'Christian'. Before you make a video, you must precisely define your defn of 'Atheist'.
Quoting an anonymous youtube user is laughable. How about a quote from the likes of Sam Harris to lend some credibility.
Who cares whether atheism is called a 'belief' or a 'view'.
If someone said to me; "There IS a ceramic teapot in orbit around the planet Neptune", I could respond by replying "I believe that there IS NO ceramic teapot in orbit around the planet Neptune", or I could respond by saying "I do NOT believe that there IS a ceramic teapot in orbit around the planet Neptune". What real difference would it make to the fact that the guy making the assertion had no evidence to support it?
@dingodavid Indeed, it's just pathetic what he's saying. When you DON'T belief in something you suddenly would have a belief. Wtf? Than everyone has thousands of beliefs.
I cannot see that it makes any difference to my intentions, or the final result, whether I say "I believe that the claim 'the Earth is flat' is untrue", or whether I say "I do not believe that the claim 'the Earth is flat' is true". Either way, it should be clear to the person making the claim 'the Earth is flat' that I neither believe nor accept his proposition.
You realise that the question you propose is to do with physics? And for the people who are interested in being honest, it must be admitted that we don't know, also, I see nothing wrong with the answer "I don't know". I'm happy to look at quantum physics and say "I don't fully understand this, as it is so counter-intuitive", rather than applying intuitive thinking and saying "quantum physics must be wrong", and the origins of the universe are much the same to many people.
Atheism is a single statement to a single claim, hardly a belief, but more importantly, your need to alter the definition so you can attack it from a different angle is a comment on your position.
I'm an atheist by simply rejecting your claim of a god....nothing more....to be an atheist you simply have to reject a notion of someones claim of a god....All the other attributes you try to attach to atheism is bogus....
@Theboxer500 Unfortunately, atheism isn't "the belief that there isn't a god", atheism is the statement that belief in a god isn't supported by evidence and is therefore groundless. You can easily be atheist and yet admit that the supernatural "might" exist somewhere.
GodLowDown did this video because of what I said. I have tried to have a reasoned debate with him, but he never responded, even after I conceded a few points. He used that traditional Christian method of argument, throw a couple bombs then take cover before a serious discussion breaks out. If your arguments can't withstand the scrutiny of debate, you should change your name to HairlessBallsOfGod. If I could have come up with something more offensive, I would have. It's an off-day.
@fatouche99 - "GodLowDown...used that traditional Christian method of argument, throw a couple bombs then take cover before a serious discussion breaks out."
Seems to be a popular strategy among contemporary religious apologists. I think that eventually the strategy will backfire on them, and that the discussions raised by their random 'bomb-chucking' will cause people to become even more sceptical about their unsupported religious claims.
No one believes in an 'un-caused' universe - some people are simply mature enough to admit that we DO NOT KNOW and NEITHER DO YOU.
1)The rules governing matter and energy are there, we're trying to work out if why
2)accept the above rules and an ordered universe MUST occur given an initial energy
3)morality exists becuse evolution of a social species requres it, without it we could not exist. 'do unto others as you would have done unto you' is not divine providence, it has always been there.
Wake up you idiots YES it is a believe. Look i will put in a sentence for you if you didnt go to school. I dont BELIEVE god exists. Therefore its a belief
Atheism is a belief. Why? Because to know that you do not believe (better: approve) in/of theistic faith, you must know it. You must know theistic point of view to disapprove of it. If Atheism was the lack of belief in religion, then you would not even be able to have these discussions ABOUT religion. Sure, you might not think positively about religion, but still you spend enough time to have endless discussions about it on youtube and elsewhere. God is your central focus point in life.
No it isn't a belief. It's a lack of a belief. Is it really that hard for your little brain to comprehend? To say it's a religion or belief etc is the equivilant of saying bald is a hair color. Get a grip, you dumb, retarded twit.
1: No one knows, at least not yet. Only ignorant people would try to produce an answer for that.
2: No one knows, at least not yet, but saying it's from an intelligent designer would just give birth to the question: Who made this intelligent designer? This will lead to an infinite amount of even more intelligent designers.
3: Moral values differ from person to person, and therefore isn't caused by some ultimate moral authority. Also, where did this god get his morals?
you seem like a total douche. but let me correct you.
the atheist got it wrong, atheism is a view but its NOT a belief. atheists dont beleive in god, EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERSONAL OPINION..
"how did the universe come into being, tehres 3 answers"
erm. no my friend. there are INFINITE explanations to any unknown answer. to argue anything of the unknown without evidence is call an argument from ignorance.
i would take you seriously if you didnt come across as a douchebag.
Pseudo-intellectual BS! That crap might fly with impressionable virgins at Sunday school but not in the real world. Please tell me, what are the shared values of atheists other than the general agreement rejecting the god hypothesis? What are our politics, morals, economic views? What is this belief system we've all adopted simply because we don't buy into fairy tales? You're an atheist with respect to every other religion apart from your own. What does that tell you? Moron!
#1 Neither I nor anybody else knows with any certainty.
#2 See #1
#3 Objective morality doesn't exist.
Regarding your side note: I am surprised that you bothered to make this video. Forget that nothing you argue makes any sense at all, atheists still don't believe in your god. If it makes you feel better to try and portray them as being as nutty as you guys are then run with it....but yeah...not quite effective an argument as you probably think.
"I'm an atheist and I have beliefs" Unfortunately, one of the things I don't believe in is the existence of your god because the claim is lacking evidentiary support.
2:17 Actually there is nothing more to being an atheist than lacking a belief in a god or gods. What else I believe in or what I think about the creation of the universe have nothing to do with the fact that your claim of a god(s) has yet to be supported sufficiently such that I would accept it as valid.
Actually, saying that the universe was created by something only transfer the causality problem to the creator. When we say that we don't believe, we say that we don't know faith: we don't have dogmas. We are just using physical evidence and reason. Therefor, when nothing prove a position, we are just saying that we don't know and hold none. The universe may be eternal as well as it may have popped out of nothing like quantum fluctuations of the void do.
That comment you pulled out from whatever is slightly wrong and very opinionized. A-theist = Not Theist. Atheist is only a word we use to describe people who don't believe in gods or follow any religions. Many of them are sceintist, many ain't. They just do not believe. If you don't believe = atheist. Its not a belief it's the other way around. Even if it was, and you found out that these people believe in nothing. What difference would that make? Nothing. This is just plain silly
If you accept something that is proven (gravity) or deny something that is unproven (gigantic purple unicorns), it is not the same thing as denying something that is proven (evolution) or affirming something that is not proven (deities of any kind).
Religious people make a claim (there is a being called God). There is no evidence to support this claim - it is, by definition, a matter of faith. Atheists simply reject this claim, since it is not supported objectively. If God's existence were an established fact, and not just a matter of faith, then atheism WOULD be a belief. An idea is only a belief when it affirms something that is not proven or denies something that IS proven.
@Ashiman12 "If God's existence were an established fact, and not just a matter of faith, then atheism WOULD be a belief. An idea is only a belief when it affirms something that is not proven or denies something that IS proven." Fuck, great point bro. I keep it in my notes. thanks.
There is so much wrong here. I am embarrassed for you. I am just curious, why do you think that there is an objective morality? Where did you get an idea like that?
all you theists are simply creepy beings like zombies or vampires, your moral is no better than mine or even worse, i don't need a belief, i can live happily without thinking of the reason of the universe AND i think that god is a supersmart idea that came out of a human mind, just the fact that there is no apparent other theory it doesn't make god the right one
Atheism is indeed a belief because it takes a definite position! Agnostics claim not to know whether God exists, but Atheists state clearly that God "DOES NOT EXIST". That is not a lack of a belief in something, it that takes a definite position, hence it is a belief! If i say "the tooth fairy does not exist" i am stating a belief from a fixed position because i am SURE that she does not exist! I'm loving your videos dude!
@MounopanoTheGreat Atheism is indeed a belief because it takes a definite position! Agnostics claim not to know whether God exists, but Atheists state clearly that God "DOES NOT EXIST".
Wrong.
Agnosticism is the claim that god isn’t knowable or is currently not known. Then the agnostic either believes in god because thats his faith or declines to believe in god because of a lack of evidence or some other reasoning.
@MounopanoTheGreat That's only strong atheists, most do not hold that position (the definitions people are using have changed so this is a source of confusion at times)
@MounopanoTheGreat "Atheism is indeed a belief because it takes a definite position! "....its not a position, its neutral. you must think not collecting stamps is a hobby too.
Most atheists I know are agnostic atheists. We can no more disprove the existence of gods and goddesses than we can the existence of leprechauns and fairies. Of course, we have no more reason to believe in gods and other assorted ghosts and ghoulies than we do to believe in leprechauns and fairies. At least atheists are consistent in their skepticism of extraordinary claims, unlike the vast majority of theists whom I have encountered.
It probably annoys atheist more than anything else when theist want to bring them down to their level of logic. First of, any idiot can re word any argument so that it starts with the phrase 'I Believe'.... its not really that clever. The biggest difference between the atheists and theists is the presumption of knowledge. Atheists are willing to admit that there is unknowns within the universe (such is the nature of science, therefore of atheism), meanwhile while theists assume all knowledge...
@LivingInBadFaith ...is held by an all-powerful being, thereby transferring knowledge to individuals who believe in said all-powerful being, by a book in your instance. And if I could nit-pick, the word belief is an ill-defined concept within the English language, you could say "I hold the belief that I'm Mexican, or I Believe I'm typing at my computer." That 'belief' is hardly the same as the 'belief' that you have towards the existence of your god... I had something else to say but I forgot...
ATHEISM IS FIDEISM. RELIGION IS FIDEISM. Both blindly trust things they really don't know are true. Fideism is fail, get over it kids. Agnostic atheism is the only logical belief.
@Cookycow Atheism per se does not rely on faith, therefore it is not a fideism. It is the lack of belief in theistic claims about a theistic deity. It requires evidence to refute but has no evidenciary burden of its own.
You are correct on most ground sir, but normal atheism claims the non existence of God as a certainty, it is more than just lack of belief. One can be agnostic and have lack of belief for God. If your statement was true, there would be no difference between agnostic atheism and atheism. Anything that is believed as a certainty without absolute proof to believe so, is Fideism.
An atheist can say I don't know and can still care but that doesn't change the fact of them being an atheist. . . . You try and try to tell atheist what they have to believe . . . Dude atheist just simply reject the notions of any version of gods. . . .that's it . . .why is that so hard to get. . Wow. . .
@pwrayhi "athiests are people who are angry with god" Wrong. Atheists do not belief in god, therefore they cannot be angry with god. That would be like you being angry with Batman.
What about a fourth possible answer to the question? The answer: I don´t know. This is my point of view. I can of course still theorize about other possible answers, but that´s quite different to actually believe you have the answer already.
ok ok ok. God must have created the universe because the universe could not have sprung out of existence with it being too amazing to be created. So if God is that amazing then who created god?
Atheists will believe in things which are presented with evidence...
For example, I believe in Oxygen, over Phlogiston...why, because it has been demonstrated with evidence that Phlogiston theory fails because things don't burn in a vacuum.
Where is the evidence for the belief in God? If you can provide it, then Atheists will believe in that also.
Thus far you, and everyone else making the claim has failed to provide what is needed, other than 'faith'. Faith is dangerous without reason!
To all those questions you're asking of atheists, I don't 'BELIEVE' in any of them. Instead I rely on experts in the field of cosmology to do the research, to investigate reality with the best of our ability to determine how the universe came into being. When the evidence changes, then the hypothesis changes...once the evidence becomes clear and consistent, then a scientific theory is born. So the HOW is subject to change based on the information available.
Two brief points, 1, Atheism is a belief in exactly the same way that not collecting stamps could be described as a hobby. 2, Anyone who uploads and then blocks ratings are clearly not convinced by their own argument.
this is probably one of the most stupid videos i have ever seen, these arguments are fucking hilarious! why do non thinking retards like this even bother making vids like this and expect to be taken seriously? and why are the ratings always Dissabled like their brains?
Sorry, but whether or not you can associate certain beliefs with atheism is utterly irrelevant- that does not change what the word means. Perhaps you can argue that if someone says they are an atheist, then it is likely that they hold certain beliefs, but to equate the two would be (I can't say this any other way either) stupid.
There was also the slight implication when you said "if you have an answer to any of these question, then you - by definition - have beliefs", that it is contradictory for an atheist to have beliefs about anything at all.
Of course atheists have beliefs! For a start, we believe in the entire universe. However, in absence of any direct material detection of the deity, it is impossible to formulate a belief in it, since it would not be based on any information gathered through investigation.
3. With objective (or absolute) moral values, I will say that for every scenario, there is a possible course of action that will lead to the least harmful, and most positive, outcome of all individuals. That is the closest I think we can come to talking about absolute morals - but we may not know, or have the mental strength to carry out, what these courses of action are.
No, I disagree with your line of logic here: you say (parodying the atheist argument) that being a theist is actually "a non-belief" (in options 2 & 3).
This is wrong; to correctly mirror the logic of the atheist argument, you would have to say that "disbelieving in options 2 & 3 isn't a belief; rather it is a non-belief". Believing option 1 is an active belief, while disbelieving options 2 & 3 are non-beliefs.
Just because the word "atheism" has been the creation of theists and not of non-believers you can play word-games with it to make these illogical statements sound logical. You used a false dichotomy (only 3 possibilities, where there are more), especially because the big bang science has nothing to do with theism or atheism at large (especially as there is only deism in it)
so prove to me that god is real beacuse no one has yet, but hey supply evident that has no major crack or that hasnt already been disproven then ill give it chance.
Anyone that believes in a god believes in something timeless and eternal with no external cause so your possible answers are bull****.
your 3 questions are bull**** if we don’t know we say we don’t know, not that so magic guy did it we can have idea on what the answer might be that then when evident come into it and to prove if we are right or wrong.
Atheism is a lack of belief in some unproven with no evident to back it up.
Why is non-belief in a proposition such a hard concept for you to understand? It's crazy how many theists just can't seem to wrap their head around it.
Having said that, I suspect most of them do actually understand it but stubbornly don't want to openly acknowledge it for some reason.
if you didn't belive an eternal or uncaused universe and that is all then yes that would be the non belife that defines you but theist add in idea of a a deity, that is the central idea if theism. atheist dont have anything other than that none belife added in. the real honest answer when regarding the origins of the universe is no one knows, to say it was designed you need evidence that we just dont have
@mrtadreamer "Atheism is the belief that there is no God"
Are you an Aunicornist? How about an Afairyist? No of course not. You think those myths are too silly to believe in and that the probability of them actually existing is far too low. I think the same thing about your god. If the word atheist really bothers you that much you may stop using it and refer to us as rationalists.
Question for GodLowDown - Please explain why you are unwilling to accept an eternal/timeless universe (given that the universe can be seen to exist) whilst you accept that something unseen (god) can have those same qualities? Slightly confusing. Put it this way, if the universe was capable of writing a book about how it had always existed, you'd have no need for a god.............
The only subject of discussion in the atheist/theist debate concerns question 1: is there a 'God?' It really doesn't matter about the other ways an atheist may believe the universe began, because the only point of inquiry is whether it began with God. An atheist does not take 1 to be true. A theist does.
So, unless you can straight-facedly maintain that SantaClaus-ists simply lack the belief in parents putting presents under Christmas trees, the other 2 questions/beliefs have no relevance.
2) Depends on what you define as "no external cause".
3) Most likely it did exist in one form or another yes.
In the end why people have to see more then there is to see I don't know.
We have some knowledge on it. We know pretty precise on WHAT happened.
But nobody I know claims to know HOW it all happened.
In the end his assumption is wrong. Most people don't belief in either 3 and are man enough to simply say "I don't know" about a subject they know nothing about.
@Picasso43967 "Most people don't belief in either 3 and are man enough to simply say 'I don't know' about a subject they know nothing about." That is my definition of Agnosticism. If you still accept that we can't know with 100% certainty, but try to argue for 2 or 3, then you have a belief.
@Picasso43967 "Most people don't belief in either 3 and are man enough to simply say 'I don't know' about a subject they know nothing about." That is my definition of Agnosticism. If you still accept that we can't know with 100% certainty, but try to argue for 2 or 3, then you have a belief.
But even if it was proven that there was intelligence behind the creation of the universe. Most religions didn't move a feet further. Actually many people would lose their belief as it would be obvious then that there is no talking about a 6000 year old universe f.ex. And again they're still empty handed. Because even if we find intelligence every religion will claim it's their God.
Reread it, no grammatical or spelling errors I can find Neither can a basic spellings checker.(English being my 3th language I can always make a spelling mistake)
@Picasso43967 I don't understand how the existence of an Intelligent Designer would make people abandon the Young Earth doctrine - which neither I nor GLD have mentioned in this video.
"Because even if we find intelligence every religion will claim it's their God." Probably, yeah. There are separate arguments for the God's identity/characteristics/actions.
I will argue for God's existence all you like, but you have ignored my initial point.
@Abhorsen27 Well the honest answer to question 1 and 2 is "It's not known at this time". But with no "intelligent designer" evident he's being biased and dishonest by adding this designer to the question. Even more so in question 3 by saying a Gawd is required to have morality. This isn't true and the notion has been debunked. Assumptions of a Gawd which has never been indicated is incorrect. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Dishonest Joe is turning the tables and is wrong.
@bigboy45454545 1, 2, and 3 are all possible/proposed answers to the question "How did the Universe begin?"
They are possibilities to be examined. This video was not devoted to proving Intelligent Design - it's about how Atheism necessitates something that can rightly be called a "belief" in either answer 2 or 3.
@Abhorsen27 It's hard to even know what you mean. I mean this Dufus has his terms wrong and I think that you do too. Atheism is absence of a belief which by definition can't be a belief on it's own. This is contradictory. Are you being dishonest about this like Dufus here, or is it this really a misunderstanding on your part? Dufus talks about an Intelligent designer the whole time. It's even in the first question. With no evidence for this designer Dufus is dishonest in his assumptions.
@Abhorsen27 You have to watch the video the whole way through again. The questions which Dufus postulates are known a loaded questions. I'm not buying what Dufus is selling. His assumptions of this creator without evidence combined with fudging morality into the equation make his agenda painfully obvious and incorrect. Only a Theist coming to the same conclusion without evidence can buy this bullshit. Or possibly a person not familiar with logical fallacies.
@Abhorsen27 It doesn't matter if there's a belief in 2 or 3. The entire debate between atheist and theist centers only around question 1. I don't believe the Easter Bunny exists, nor do I think he is the source of Easter Eggs. Is this a belief because in CONJUNCTION with my lack of belief on the Easter Bunny, I also believe parents color and hide Easter Eggs?
@Doodoorump "It doesn't matter if there's a belief in 2 or 3" Uh, yeah, that's kinda the whole point of this video. The debate over God's existence is separate.
"The Easter Bunny doesn't exist" is still a negative, while 2 or 3 would be positives. They're different.
Please tell me why a positive belief in 2 or 3 is at all relevant to atheism. 'The debate over God's existence is separate.' No, it isn't. The only reason someone adopts the label 'atheist' is if that individual lacks the belief in god's existence.
Me not believing the Easter Bunny is the source of Easter Eggs is a negative, however me believing Easter Eggs are colored and hidden by parents is a positive. So unless you are willing to characterize an a-EasterEggfromEasterBunny-ist as somehow having a positive belief IN REFERENCE to whether the Easter Bunny hides Easter Eggs, then 2 and 3 are not relevant. An atheist and theist are necessarily opposed on question 1 and question 1 alone.
universe came to be then you are an atheist that BELIEVES that no god or gods exist?
qijino1236 1 day ago
Apatheism (a portmanteau of apathy and theism/atheism), also known as pragmatic atheism or (critically) as practical atheism, is acting with apathy, disregard, or lack of interest towards belief or disbelief in a deity. I other words...I do not know and I do not care. Those type of people are the only true non-believers and those people can say they are atheists with no belief. But if on the other hand you are atheist that simply doesn't believe that god exists...but does care about how the
qijino1236 1 day ago
Atheism in itself is not a belief. Atheists can, however, believe that there is definately no god. This is called "strong atheism". I am an agnostic atheist. Based upon what I have observed, I don't believe in any of the gods that have been claimed to exist. There could be a god, but I don't believe that there is one due to lack of evidence.
midnightpariah 5 days ago
Flagged for hate speech against Atheists. I am deeply offended by this video.
igotaidsinnarnia 6 days ago
Are you really that stupid? Atheism isn't a belief. Infact, it's the exact opposite, we refuse to believe in ANYTHING. Maybe you should look up the word 'believe' ? Because any intelligent atheist will only accept facts, things that can be proven to be true. And guess what, nothing to do with ANY religion can not be proven, while it has a ton of evidence against it, and if you're too blind to accept that then you really are moronic.
oBLACKIECHANoo 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Further to huruey's excellent vid reply.
Also religious ppl use the word belief so freely it covers everything from religious faith & values through to thoroughly tested & peer reviewed science. This is comparing apples & oranges and if you cant, or wont, phrase your argument with more precise wording, I dont think anyone should take it seriously. Untill you use unambigious wording, you have failed to pose an argument.
kommissarw 1 week ago
are you christian?
ferret630 3 weeks ago
I dont have a problem with god, just its fans. Powerful ignorant people have twisted religion. I really don' t care about religion or god, thats just my view. When I die i'll just see what happens. Being neutral i have to say athiests/ agnostics have way more proof then the religious view of life and logic. At the end I just really don't care.
MrTimmehor 3 weeks ago
someone is missing the point! Atheist know that theist have no proof of what they are saying and want the rest to take their opinion as fact. How can you vouch for something you don't know? If you never died and gone to heaven how can you want me to take your word for it? How about hell? Non-belief is not a belief - logic 101! True and not true = false! You have no proof just opinion. Atheist talk about what they can see and prove and nothing beyond that, they live opinion to you!
ThandiNC 4 weeks ago
@ThandiNC Yeah, there are countless testimonies from theists AND atheists who have physically died and "by chance" revived and have explained what they've seen felt heard. Don't use that argument.
AeonFlexMusic 4 weeks ago
@AeonFlexMusic Near death experiences?
Who knows what the brain might be tricked into seeing/believing/remembering when being starved of oxygen or being given heavy doses of drugs. Not to mention what tricks the mind may play on itself to ease the knowledge that its dying and their is nothing that it can do to stop it.
Roushfan5 3 weeks ago
I don't believe that gods exist. What's your problem with that? Why is it so important for to distort that non-belief into "I believe that gods don't exist?"
freatork1 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@freatork1 when did you hear him say he has a problem with your disbelief? The point of this video was CLEARLY stating atheism IS a belief despite popular atheistic rebuttals that atheism is NOT a belief. I'm sure he could care less what you believe/don't believe in.
AeonFlexMusic 4 weeks ago
@AeonFlexMusic "when did you hear him say he has a problem with your disbelief?"
My disbelief? According to the guy on the video, it isn't "disbelief," it's a "belief" that gods DON'T exist. They all seem to be labelling a non-belief as a belief. Why?
freatork1 4 weeks ago
@freatork1 Non belief is at best agnosticism. Atheism is a belief. *cough* watch the video again for clarification.
AeonFlexMusic 4 weeks ago
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@AeonFlexMusic - "Atheism is a belief... watch the video again for clarification."
A bible pusher on YT using word association to link "non-belief" with "belief" clarifies nothing. What is the MOTIVE for distorting an atheists *non-belief in the existence of God* into a "belief?"
freatork1 3 weeks ago
@AeonFlexMusic Agnosticism is the position that god can be proven or disproven. Their are theist and a theists agnostics alike.
Roushfan5 3 weeks ago
@Roushfan5 You're joking? "Tricks" is the best case you have? Ok, riddle me this, what do you say about the people who have physically died, (btw is record 30 min no pulse) and have come back to say they have experienced something never before imaginable, atheists/theists alike. You people will stop at nothing to eradicate the mere possibility of an intelligent designer, it's actually quite sad.
AeonFlexMusic 3 weeks ago
@AeonFlexMusic I just told you they are/where hallucinating. Tell me why that is such a bad theory. And just because I don't you arguments for a intelligent designer compelling hardly means that I’ll stop at nothing to eradicate the possibility of an intelligent designer.
And its quite sad how YOU people will stop and nothing to PROVE the possibility of a intelligent designer.
Roushfan5 3 weeks ago
BTW, let me put it in even more simple terms in case someone can't understand.
If atheism is a belief, then people who don't believe in the tooth fairy, unicorn, or invisible friends etc. would also be considered as a belief. So your disbelief in other God/Gods/Goddesses, or any sort of fairy tale creatures would become a belief by that logic.
Instead of arguing over simple and pointless semantics, how about looking at the context and bring forth actual evidence instead of conjectures.
Neosaigo 1 month ago
By definition of the language. "I don't believe God exist." and "I believe no God exist." are the same, but in any speech, it is the CONTEXT that matters.
Context wise, "I don't belief God exist." is a rejection of the claim made by someone else. (by theist claiming God exist in this case) On the other hand "I believe no God exist." is a declaration of opinion. Since theists have not shown evidence for their claim, atheism is currently simply the rejection of a claim.
Basic concept, no?
Neosaigo 1 month ago
I understand what you're trying to prove, but it is futile. You can pull up anything that'll definitively state that "by definition" or "logically" that atheism is a belief, but none of us care for that. I mean, by definition we are monkeys, but you can't seem to accept that. The only reason we say atheism is not a belief system (at least what I think, and I may be generalizing) is because of the connotation "belief" gives off. People typically think belief=religion in this situation.
deeZchubZvideoZ 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@shadowgui2000 "[...], by that logic everything you do not believe in becomes a belief."
Good point.
marekprz 1 month ago
I'm impressed with the responses to this video. I'm sure mine will repeat the arguments of others, since the arguments are quite obvious.
My view that there is no god is not a belief, just as my view that Santa, fairies, and unicorns don't exist is not a belief.
As for holding a "view", that's a bit of a vague term. I can't argue against holding a view.
As for how the universe started (before the big bang), I have no idea. That's a puzzler.
marekprz 1 month ago
I don't believe fairies exist. What does that make me?
astroboomboy 1 month ago in playlist More videos from GodLowDown
@GodLowDown let's simplify things by delineating all statements we make into fact, opinion, or argument, like my 10th grade history teacher did for us. now, which of the above is most analogous to the word "belief"?
don't worry, we'll wait.
opinions are just statements of bias; an argument is a statement of bias supported and fuelled by facts (i.e. falsifiable statements). that's why beliefs are opinions and atheism is, usually, an argument, depending on WHY people are saying gods don't exist.
mrdumpster 1 month ago
Atheism HAS NOT to pick one of the choices because atheists can basically just don't give a damn about where the universe came from. Everythin atheism is, is just not give a damn about your god. Only if the atheist is willing (ONLY THEN) to think about the origin of the universe, only then he/she has to pick one and since he/she is an atheist, he/she ignores the posibility of a creator. The believe in something else is optional for atheism wich stays per default a disbelieve.
narutokage777 1 month ago
Even 1st year science majors understand that statement 2 ("the universe spontaniously popped into existence") is in error. No one said there was no cause to the big bang (possibly a particle got to big for its britches).The cause would have been that particular particle but since we weren't there, we don't know.That's not to say we don't have evidence pointing us to this possiblity. I wish you guys would try and understand science a little better before trying to discredit it.
Moralatheist101 1 month ago
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Moralatheist101 1 month ago
Firstly, to start your video with an ad hominem attack doesn't help the weight of your argument. Second, even if we were to grant you that those are the only three theories for how the universe was created (which they aren't) that still says nothing about a person's belief. A person could have one of an infinite number of beliefs as to how the universe was created. Therefor to judge what a person does believe by what they don't is impossible.
scrmayhem 1 month ago
Let's say someone is born somewhere without the influence of religion, they have no knowledge of the Christian "God" or any other religion for that matter. You cannot say that they believe in the non existence of "God". It's like saying you believe in the non existence of Batman, by that logic everything you do not believe in becomes a belief. Atheists aren't members of a super secret club or anything like that, we only have to use the term because people believe in some fictional character.
shadowgui2000 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
And by the way, the word ''atheist'' has no link at all with the creation of the universe. What's stupid about your video is that you think we say we dont have beliefs because we're atheists. That's where you get it all wrong. Of course we have beliefs, like you said: we think the universe ''popped out of nowhere'', but the fact of having the atheist position is in no way a belief. Excuse my english.
Boreiller 1 month ago
You can't call us stupid if you're just not intelligent enough to understand. If not understanding that atheism is a position and not ''a belief in something'' makes your brain melt, then you're lacking a little bit of comprehension. An Anti-theist is someone who BELIEVES there is not god. An atheist is, like you said in the begining, just a lack of belief.
Boreiller 1 month ago
You say that the only logical answer it "I don't know and do not care".
1st, I'm not sure why the "don't care" portion of the answer is essential to the atheist perspective. We can not know and still be fascinated by the question.
2nd, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saying "I don't know". I am not a physicist, nor do I pretend to be. I haven't a clue where the Universe came from. That doesn't mean that I now have to commit myself to the belief in a deity.
RealityIsAnOpinion 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Well it all depends on how you define atheism. You define it as "belief that here is no god", other people may not :) You see, people do not always agree with you, which i know is a problem for a theist but you'll just have to... DEAL WITH IT
Aah, but you could try to prove why there are only three possible answers to "How did the universe come into being". Heck you can even try to prove that this is not a rigged question ;) Arguments from ignorance... that's what we atheists call that :)
Anonymous247n 1 month ago
@GodLowDown A big problem for a lot people is the fact that they like to give an explanation to things they don't have answers for yet. The theists explain the things they don't have answers for with GOD while most atheists just kinda oppose the theists ideas. The only appropriate attitude people should have when they ask or get asked about the big questions is not the whole I'm certain type but doubt. Religion just allows people who don't have all the answers think that they do.
Orbitwhitee 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Atheism to religion is like bald to a haircolor
INMATE2468 1 month ago
"while this may be true from a strict dictionary perspective..."
So you admit to making up your own definition.
Hufflewaffle 1 month ago
To claim that Atheism is a belief, is to claim that not believing in the Loch Ness Monster is a belief as well. This becomes quite obvious when one considers the fact that people did not believe in the Loch Ness Monster before the idea of such a creature was conceived.
Did people back then, before the idea of such a thing existed, have a belief that Loch Ness Monster didn't existed? No, because they haven't heard of the creature--they lacked the belief of this creature.
flensdude 1 month ago
a- or an- [Greek a- and an- un-, non-] Negative, not (abiotic, acaulescent, acephalia, aphasia, asexual, atheism, anorexia).
the·ism [thee-iz-uhm] The belief in one God (or gods) as the creator and ruler of the universe.
There you go.
animefan848 1 month ago
Is atheism a belief? Yep. Atheists believe God doesn't exist.
mrtadreamer 1 month ago
@mrtadreamer and a-lochies believe loch ness monster doesnt exist.
youre most likely one of them.
(example borrowed from the guy commenting before me)
OmfgItsHenu 1 month ago
You're also using equivocation and straw man fallacies here. You begin by asking the question "Is atheism a belief" and then build a case for a much easier claim to prove, that "Atheists have beliefs".
So that's 3 logical fallacies in one video. Congratulations.
2LegHumanist 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Of course atheism is a view and to suggest otherwise is to misunderstand the meaning of the word 'View'.
Your 3 options constitute a false dilemma, which means your argument is fallacious. There is one major option that you didn't consider in relation to what caused the universe. That is "I don't know".
It's possible to not claim anything about how the universe was created and also not believe in a god. It's also possible to lean towards a speculative theory without believing it is true.
2LegHumanist 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
No one is saying that atheism is nihilism. Of course atheists have beliefs their atheism just doesn't depend on them. If you have a belief in God, you are a theist, that's what makes you a theist. A theist who doesn't believe in God is logically contradictory. Atheists may have beliefs in regards to these questions but we are not in agreement, these beliefs aren't necessary for atheism.You keep babbling but you just don't have a clue.
richjammcl 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
RE: Atheism is a viewpoint.
It's not. Atheism is the conclusion we reach based on our logical reasoning. Since there is no method to prove God exists, as far as I'm aware of, we don't believe. That's rational. Atheism is a description of that rationale applied to lack of belief in Gods.
That's why atheism is not a belief, opinion, judgement or viewpoint. Rocks are atheist. Tell me what their viewpoint is.
Rundvelt 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
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@Rundvelt "Rocks are atheist. Tell me what their viewpoint is."
Rocks can't conclude there is no method to prove a god exists.
I going to assume your joking because that statement is ridiculous
Sashajw12345 1 month ago
Fucking ridiculous...
StarCraftRaver 2 months ago
All you've demostrated is that atheists have beliefs, not that those beliefs come from atheism. in answer to your questions.
1) I don't know, because I neither have neither, any qualification on the topic or the available evidence to reach a valid conclusion.
2) Natural Laws/Forces, based on scientific understanding and observation of the formation of objects in the natural word.
Neither of these answers is based on my atheism but from my understanding of the natural world based on science
mancno1 2 months ago
Wow its good to know your rebbuting leading and famous atheist minds such as fatouche99. I mean that guy's just the atheist dictionary and one of the leaders of the modern atheist movement it's certainly the first person I would ask if I wanted to know the definition of "atheist"
mancno1 2 months ago
If atheism is a belief, does that mean not collecting stamps is a hobby?
idropdimes123 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
"I can't believe I have to do a video on this concept."
I can't believe it either since you're not convincing on any point, nor do you add anything new to the debate.
The word 'Atheist' is a loaded word and has ceased to have a single meaning, just like the word 'Christian'. Before you make a video, you must precisely define your defn of 'Atheist'.
Quoting an anonymous youtube user is laughable. How about a quote from the likes of Sam Harris to lend some credibility.
SloMoHeap 2 months ago
Who cares whether atheism is called a 'belief' or a 'view'.
If someone said to me; "There IS a ceramic teapot in orbit around the planet Neptune", I could respond by replying "I believe that there IS NO ceramic teapot in orbit around the planet Neptune", or I could respond by saying "I do NOT believe that there IS a ceramic teapot in orbit around the planet Neptune". What real difference would it make to the fact that the guy making the assertion had no evidence to support it?
dingodavid 2 months ago
@dingodavid Indeed, it's just pathetic what he's saying. When you DON'T belief in something you suddenly would have a belief. Wtf? Than everyone has thousands of beliefs.
deadly840 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@deadly840 Yep. It's simply playing with words.
I cannot see that it makes any difference to my intentions, or the final result, whether I say "I believe that the claim 'the Earth is flat' is untrue", or whether I say "I do not believe that the claim 'the Earth is flat' is true". Either way, it should be clear to the person making the claim 'the Earth is flat' that I neither believe nor accept his proposition.
dingodavid 2 months ago
You realise that the question you propose is to do with physics? And for the people who are interested in being honest, it must be admitted that we don't know, also, I see nothing wrong with the answer "I don't know". I'm happy to look at quantum physics and say "I don't fully understand this, as it is so counter-intuitive", rather than applying intuitive thinking and saying "quantum physics must be wrong", and the origins of the universe are much the same to many people.
Samuelwhatshisface 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
"off" is a channel on your TV.
"not stamp collecting" is a hobby.
Atheism is a single statement to a single claim, hardly a belief, but more importantly, your need to alter the definition so you can attack it from a different angle is a comment on your position.
OPE08 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Claiming that atheism is a "belief" is like decribing a bald person's hair color.
gblueslover2 2 months ago
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I'm an atheist because I have rejected every claim presented to me for a god. .
0019josh7100 2 months ago
I'm an atheist by simply rejecting your claim of a god....nothing more....to be an atheist you simply have to reject a notion of someones claim of a god....All the other attributes you try to attach to atheism is bogus....
0019josh7100 2 months ago
@0019josh7100 BELIEVING that there isn't a god, is a BELIEF. Is't that clear enough???!!!
Theboxer500 2 months ago
@Theboxer500 Unfortunately, atheism isn't "the belief that there isn't a god", atheism is the statement that belief in a god isn't supported by evidence and is therefore groundless. You can easily be atheist and yet admit that the supernatural "might" exist somewhere.
OPE08 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
GodLowDown did this video because of what I said. I have tried to have a reasoned debate with him, but he never responded, even after I conceded a few points. He used that traditional Christian method of argument, throw a couple bombs then take cover before a serious discussion breaks out. If your arguments can't withstand the scrutiny of debate, you should change your name to HairlessBallsOfGod. If I could have come up with something more offensive, I would have. It's an off-day.
fatouche99 2 months ago
@fatouche99 - "GodLowDown...used that traditional Christian method of argument, throw a couple bombs then take cover before a serious discussion breaks out."
Seems to be a popular strategy among contemporary religious apologists. I think that eventually the strategy will backfire on them, and that the discussions raised by their random 'bomb-chucking' will cause people to become even more sceptical about their unsupported religious claims.
dingodavid 1 month ago
Is atheism a belief? Sure is. They believe in their hearts, ..."there is no God". Psalm 14:1
mrtadreamer 2 months ago
@mrtadreamer Is theism a non-belief? Sure is. They Don't believe in their hearts,...."there is No god"
Jrev 10:44 pm.
jrev37 2 months ago
I can't believe that you would bother making a video like this.
Answers to questions:
No. 1 - I don't know, and I don't care.
No. 2 - I don't know, and I don't care
No. 3 - There are no objective moral values. They are all man-made and are influenced by time and culture.
dingodavid 2 months ago
No one believes in an 'un-caused' universe - some people are simply mature enough to admit that we DO NOT KNOW and NEITHER DO YOU.
1)The rules governing matter and energy are there, we're trying to work out if why
2)accept the above rules and an ordered universe MUST occur given an initial energy
3)morality exists becuse evolution of a social species requres it, without it we could not exist. 'do unto others as you would have done unto you' is not divine providence, it has always been there.
alex29443 2 months ago
Depends, if you don't know what the term "atheist" means then you are totally right.
Doesn't work for all atheists though.
Anonymous247n 3 months ago
it is a disbelief not a belief of not believing that just makes no sense
itsraininglool 3 months ago
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Wake up you idiots YES it is a believe. Look i will put in a sentence for you if you didnt go to school. I dont BELIEVE god exists. Therefore its a belief
Mr01johnsa 3 months ago
Atheism is a belief. Why? Because to know that you do not believe (better: approve) in/of theistic faith, you must know it. You must know theistic point of view to disapprove of it. If Atheism was the lack of belief in religion, then you would not even be able to have these discussions ABOUT religion. Sure, you might not think positively about religion, but still you spend enough time to have endless discussions about it on youtube and elsewhere. God is your central focus point in life.
Ununs3pt1um 3 months ago
No it isn't a belief. It's a lack of a belief. Is it really that hard for your little brain to comprehend? To say it's a religion or belief etc is the equivilant of saying bald is a hair color. Get a grip, you dumb, retarded twit.
piemakesmelol 3 months ago
1: No one knows, at least not yet. Only ignorant people would try to produce an answer for that.
2: No one knows, at least not yet, but saying it's from an intelligent designer would just give birth to the question: Who made this intelligent designer? This will lead to an infinite amount of even more intelligent designers.
3: Moral values differ from person to person, and therefore isn't caused by some ultimate moral authority. Also, where did this god get his morals?
sandvikboy94 3 months ago
to answer your questions
1 - no one knows.. any answers are arguing from ignorance
2 - see answer to 1
3 - there is no such thing as objective moral values. that is why every scenario someone will see it differently to someone else.
yes atheists do have beliefs, but there will be atheists who disagree with other atheists apart from one point, not believing in a god.
feel free to check out my video on arguing from ignorance, that is all you are doing here. the unknown is the unknown, simple.
theUKatheist 3 months ago
you seem like a total douche. but let me correct you.
the atheist got it wrong, atheism is a view but its NOT a belief. atheists dont beleive in god, EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERSONAL OPINION..
"how did the universe come into being, tehres 3 answers"
erm. no my friend. there are INFINITE explanations to any unknown answer. to argue anything of the unknown without evidence is call an argument from ignorance.
i would take you seriously if you didnt come across as a douchebag.
theUKatheist 3 months ago
Pseudo-intellectual BS! That crap might fly with impressionable virgins at Sunday school but not in the real world. Please tell me, what are the shared values of atheists other than the general agreement rejecting the god hypothesis? What are our politics, morals, economic views? What is this belief system we've all adopted simply because we don't buy into fairy tales? You're an atheist with respect to every other religion apart from your own. What does that tell you? Moron!
Tapiola2007 3 months ago
@Tapiola2007 lol. well said bro. I wonder how he himself would define his nonbelief, lack of believe, disbelieve or what ever in Allah? crazy dude.
jrev37 2 months ago
"Is atheism a view or belief?"
is "not collecting stamps" a view or belief?
this is how stupid you are.
TheJorjj 3 months ago
Answer to questions:
#1 Neither I nor anybody else knows with any certainty.
#2 See #1
#3 Objective morality doesn't exist.
Regarding your side note: I am surprised that you bothered to make this video. Forget that nothing you argue makes any sense at all, atheists still don't believe in your god. If it makes you feel better to try and portray them as being as nutty as you guys are then run with it....but yeah...not quite effective an argument as you probably think.
1n354a 3 months ago
"I'm an atheist and I have beliefs" Unfortunately, one of the things I don't believe in is the existence of your god because the claim is lacking evidentiary support.
2:17 Actually there is nothing more to being an atheist than lacking a belief in a god or gods. What else I believe in or what I think about the creation of the universe have nothing to do with the fact that your claim of a god(s) has yet to be supported sufficiently such that I would accept it as valid.
1n354a 3 months ago
Atheism is something you have to believe is true, whether you choose to call it a belief or not. In that sense it IS a belief.
ObjectiveBob 3 months ago
Actually, saying that the universe was created by something only transfer the causality problem to the creator. When we say that we don't believe, we say that we don't know faith: we don't have dogmas. We are just using physical evidence and reason. Therefor, when nothing prove a position, we are just saying that we don't know and hold none. The universe may be eternal as well as it may have popped out of nothing like quantum fluctuations of the void do.
MrSupergigamoi 3 months ago
Athiest: religion is a delusion.
Me: athiesm is a delusional faith.
Athiest: athiesm is not a faith!!!!
Me: do you believe that athiesm is the truth?
Athiest: yes!
Me: BELIEVING is having faith in something.
Athiest: ohhh.
Me: now tell me friend, who is the deluded one now?
Theboxer500 3 months ago
That comment you pulled out from whatever is slightly wrong and very opinionized. A-theist = Not Theist. Atheist is only a word we use to describe people who don't believe in gods or follow any religions. Many of them are sceintist, many ain't. They just do not believe. If you don't believe = atheist. Its not a belief it's the other way around. Even if it was, and you found out that these people believe in nothing. What difference would that make? Nothing. This is just plain silly
Norwayflex89 3 months ago
If you accept something that is proven (gravity) or deny something that is unproven (gigantic purple unicorns), it is not the same thing as denying something that is proven (evolution) or affirming something that is not proven (deities of any kind).
Ashiman12 3 months ago
Religious people make a claim (there is a being called God). There is no evidence to support this claim - it is, by definition, a matter of faith. Atheists simply reject this claim, since it is not supported objectively. If God's existence were an established fact, and not just a matter of faith, then atheism WOULD be a belief. An idea is only a belief when it affirms something that is not proven or denies something that IS proven.
Ashiman12 3 months ago
@Ashiman12 I do have to say you hit the nail on the head
TheCrimsonTongue 3 months ago
@Ashiman12 "If God's existence were an established fact, and not just a matter of faith, then atheism WOULD be a belief. An idea is only a belief when it affirms something that is not proven or denies something that IS proven." Fuck, great point bro. I keep it in my notes. thanks.
jrev37 2 months ago
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If you can not prove the existence of something, then its not a believe in the non existence of i.
Then you know it does not exist. all else is just semantics.
Do you believe you are wealthy or do you know you are wealthy.
Do you believe you have a drivers license, or do you know you have one.
I know i am not wealthy, and i know i have a drivers license.
fluibertje 3 months ago
There is so much wrong here. I am embarrassed for you. I am just curious, why do you think that there is an objective morality? Where did you get an idea like that?
XKaliber2097 3 months ago
love you bass guitar...
TheOffenderDeadlock 3 months ago
all you theists are simply creepy beings like zombies or vampires, your moral is no better than mine or even worse, i don't need a belief, i can live happily without thinking of the reason of the universe AND i think that god is a supersmart idea that came out of a human mind, just the fact that there is no apparent other theory it doesn't make god the right one
Terminchiator 4 months ago
Atheism is indeed a belief because it takes a definite position! Agnostics claim not to know whether God exists, but Atheists state clearly that God "DOES NOT EXIST". That is not a lack of a belief in something, it that takes a definite position, hence it is a belief! If i say "the tooth fairy does not exist" i am stating a belief from a fixed position because i am SURE that she does not exist! I'm loving your videos dude!
MounopanoTheGreat 4 months ago
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@MounopanoTheGreat Atheism is indeed a belief because it takes a definite position! Agnostics claim not to know whether God exists, but Atheists state clearly that God "DOES NOT EXIST".
Wrong.
Agnosticism is the claim that god isn’t knowable or is currently not known. Then the agnostic either believes in god because thats his faith or declines to believe in god because of a lack of evidence or some other reasoning.
Roushfan5 3 months ago
@MounopanoTheGreat That's only strong atheists, most do not hold that position (the definitions people are using have changed so this is a source of confusion at times)
argh523 3 months ago
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@MounopanoTheGreat "Atheism is indeed a belief because it takes a definite position! "....its not a position, its neutral. you must think not collecting stamps is a hobby too.
noliesundead 3 months ago
@MounopanoTheGreat
Most atheists I know are agnostic atheists. We can no more disprove the existence of gods and goddesses than we can the existence of leprechauns and fairies. Of course, we have no more reason to believe in gods and other assorted ghosts and ghoulies than we do to believe in leprechauns and fairies. At least atheists are consistent in their skepticism of extraordinary claims, unlike the vast majority of theists whom I have encountered.
dingodavid 2 months ago
It probably annoys atheist more than anything else when theist want to bring them down to their level of logic. First of, any idiot can re word any argument so that it starts with the phrase 'I Believe'.... its not really that clever. The biggest difference between the atheists and theists is the presumption of knowledge. Atheists are willing to admit that there is unknowns within the universe (such is the nature of science, therefore of atheism), meanwhile while theists assume all knowledge...
LivingInBadFaith 4 months ago
@LivingInBadFaith ...is held by an all-powerful being, thereby transferring knowledge to individuals who believe in said all-powerful being, by a book in your instance. And if I could nit-pick, the word belief is an ill-defined concept within the English language, you could say "I hold the belief that I'm Mexican, or I Believe I'm typing at my computer." That 'belief' is hardly the same as the 'belief' that you have towards the existence of your god... I had something else to say but I forgot...
LivingInBadFaith 4 months ago
ATHEISM IS FIDEISM. RELIGION IS FIDEISM. Both blindly trust things they really don't know are true. Fideism is fail, get over it kids. Agnostic atheism is the only logical belief.
Cookycow 4 months ago
@Cookycow Atheism per se does not rely on faith, therefore it is not a fideism. It is the lack of belief in theistic claims about a theistic deity. It requires evidence to refute but has no evidenciary burden of its own.
ianman6 4 months ago
@ianman6
You are correct on most ground sir, but normal atheism claims the non existence of God as a certainty, it is more than just lack of belief. One can be agnostic and have lack of belief for God. If your statement was true, there would be no difference between agnostic atheism and atheism. Anything that is believed as a certainty without absolute proof to believe so, is Fideism.
Cookycow 4 months ago
An atheist can say I don't know and can still care but that doesn't change the fact of them being an atheist. . . . You try and try to tell atheist what they have to believe . . . Dude atheist just simply reject the notions of any version of gods. . . .that's it . . .why is that so hard to get. . Wow. . .
0019josh7100 4 months ago
Atheist is simply the rejection of the notion of a version of a god.
0019josh7100 4 months ago
athiests are people who are angry with god
pwrayhi 4 months ago
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@pwrayhi "athiests are people who are angry with god" Wrong. Atheists do not belief in god, therefore they cannot be angry with god. That would be like you being angry with Batman.
ianman6 4 months ago
lol at every thiest channel not disabling rating *sigh*
1234doawee 4 months ago
Actually you're wrong that there's 3 possibilities. There's only 2 possibilities.
1) I'm right as an atheist.
2) You're wrong because you're stupid.
Itchyback 4 months ago
@Itchyback bravo
pwrayhi 4 months ago
What about a fourth possible answer to the question? The answer: I don´t know. This is my point of view. I can of course still theorize about other possible answers, but that´s quite different to actually believe you have the answer already.
lanzelotz26 4 months ago in playlist More videos from GodLowDown
Dude, you're just simply stupid.
Itchyback 4 months ago
Man, this video is so stupid on so many points
First, I define Atheism differently than you
Second, You suggest that one Atheist represent Atheism
Third, You confuse acceptance of reasoned findings of the natural world as a belief atheists supposedly hold.
Q1, Q2 Dont believe anything about it
Q3: What objective moral values? prove their objectivity then?
"I am an Atheist, I dont hold any beliefs about that"
Dear Christian, you are mistaken, and i cant believe I have to write to tell you that
HilleInc 4 months ago
ok ok ok. God must have created the universe because the universe could not have sprung out of existence with it being too amazing to be created. So if God is that amazing then who created god?
TheAragorn22 4 months ago
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TheAragorn22 4 months ago
when I was a child i used to believe things... I have grown up a great deal since then.
frackcha 4 months ago
Atheists will believe in things which are presented with evidence...
For example, I believe in Oxygen, over Phlogiston...why, because it has been demonstrated with evidence that Phlogiston theory fails because things don't burn in a vacuum.
Where is the evidence for the belief in God? If you can provide it, then Atheists will believe in that also.
Thus far you, and everyone else making the claim has failed to provide what is needed, other than 'faith'. Faith is dangerous without reason!
bitphr3ak 4 months ago
To all those questions you're asking of atheists, I don't 'BELIEVE' in any of them. Instead I rely on experts in the field of cosmology to do the research, to investigate reality with the best of our ability to determine how the universe came into being. When the evidence changes, then the hypothesis changes...once the evidence becomes clear and consistent, then a scientific theory is born. So the HOW is subject to change based on the information available.
Creationists use the Bible :)
bitphr3ak 4 months ago
You should really look up the definition of Atheism before you try to make a video with a title like this! :)
Please enlighten us 'stupid' atheists with the information we all so desperately seek:
What does an Atheist believe? Please, answer that question...
...and while you are at it, can you explain to me what your Not Belief in Allah is a belief in? What do you call your Not Belief in Allah?
When it comes to Allah, are you an Atheist? If not, why?
bitphr3ak 4 months ago
Atheism isn't belief its disbelief.
Theist : There is a God.
Atheist : I dont believe you.
NefariousVirtuoso88 4 months ago
Two brief points, 1, Atheism is a belief in exactly the same way that not collecting stamps could be described as a hobby. 2, Anyone who uploads and then blocks ratings are clearly not convinced by their own argument.
sheikhyaboooty 4 months ago
fatouche99 got it right, that's what atheism is.
tgseason12 4 months ago
oneness is the only truth
Hamporkcheese 4 months ago
this is probably one of the most stupid videos i have ever seen, these arguments are fucking hilarious! why do non thinking retards like this even bother making vids like this and expect to be taken seriously? and why are the ratings always Dissabled like their brains?
spacecoke 4 months ago
Sorry, but whether or not you can associate certain beliefs with atheism is utterly irrelevant- that does not change what the word means. Perhaps you can argue that if someone says they are an atheist, then it is likely that they hold certain beliefs, but to equate the two would be (I can't say this any other way either) stupid.
LeonhardEuler1 4 months ago
There was also the slight implication when you said "if you have an answer to any of these question, then you - by definition - have beliefs", that it is contradictory for an atheist to have beliefs about anything at all.
Of course atheists have beliefs! For a start, we believe in the entire universe. However, in absence of any direct material detection of the deity, it is impossible to formulate a belief in it, since it would not be based on any information gathered through investigation.
UppruniTegundanna 4 months ago
In answer to your questions towards the end:
1. I don't know (does anyone?)
2. I don't know (does anyone?)
3. With objective (or absolute) moral values, I will say that for every scenario, there is a possible course of action that will lead to the least harmful, and most positive, outcome of all individuals. That is the closest I think we can come to talking about absolute morals - but we may not know, or have the mental strength to carry out, what these courses of action are.
UppruniTegundanna 4 months ago
No, I disagree with your line of logic here: you say (parodying the atheist argument) that being a theist is actually "a non-belief" (in options 2 & 3).
This is wrong; to correctly mirror the logic of the atheist argument, you would have to say that "disbelieving in options 2 & 3 isn't a belief; rather it is a non-belief". Believing option 1 is an active belief, while disbelieving options 2 & 3 are non-beliefs.
UppruniTegundanna 4 months ago
Just because the word "atheism" has been the creation of theists and not of non-believers you can play word-games with it to make these illogical statements sound logical. You used a false dichotomy (only 3 possibilities, where there are more), especially because the big bang science has nothing to do with theism or atheism at large (especially as there is only deism in it)
And concerning your answers:
1# i don't know (while you declare you do know)
2# false question
3# evolution
MardasMan 4 months ago
your argument is stupid
mandangalo18 4 months ago
so prove to me that god is real beacuse no one has yet, but hey supply evident that has no major crack or that hasnt already been disproven then ill give it chance.
Xero99 4 months ago
Anyone that believes in a god believes in something timeless and eternal with no external cause so your possible answers are bull****.
your 3 questions are bull**** if we don’t know we say we don’t know, not that so magic guy did it we can have idea on what the answer might be that then when evident come into it and to prove if we are right or wrong.
Atheism is a lack of belief in some unproven with no evident to back it up.
Xero99 4 months ago
hurray for word jokes
Nasgoroth 4 months ago
Do you believe in Zeus? Is your lack of belief in Zeus a belief itself? Of course not. Same holds true with your god, and any god.
kizzaht 4 months ago
Why is non-belief in a proposition such a hard concept for you to understand? It's crazy how many theists just can't seem to wrap their head around it.
Having said that, I suspect most of them do actually understand it but stubbornly don't want to openly acknowledge it for some reason.
Sinnessa 4 months ago
if you didn't belive an eternal or uncaused universe and that is all then yes that would be the non belife that defines you but theist add in idea of a a deity, that is the central idea if theism. atheist dont have anything other than that none belife added in. the real honest answer when regarding the origins of the universe is no one knows, to say it was designed you need evidence that we just dont have
chevroncode 4 months ago
Atheism is the belief that there is no God, or that God does not exist. That is their dogma.
mrtadreamer 4 months ago
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@mrtadreamer "Atheism is the belief that there is no God"
Are you an Aunicornist? How about an Afairyist? No of course not. You think those myths are too silly to believe in and that the probability of them actually existing is far too low. I think the same thing about your god. If the word atheist really bothers you that much you may stop using it and refer to us as rationalists.
cidvisions 4 months ago
Atheists have beliefs, like everybody else but atheism isn't a belief, but a lack there of. it's really quite a simple concept.
richotim 5 months ago
Question for GodLowDown - Please explain why you are unwilling to accept an eternal/timeless universe (given that the universe can be seen to exist) whilst you accept that something unseen (god) can have those same qualities? Slightly confusing. Put it this way, if the universe was capable of writing a book about how it had always existed, you'd have no need for a god.............
burkeyatm 5 months ago
The only subject of discussion in the atheist/theist debate concerns question 1: is there a 'God?' It really doesn't matter about the other ways an atheist may believe the universe began, because the only point of inquiry is whether it began with God. An atheist does not take 1 to be true. A theist does.
So, unless you can straight-facedly maintain that SantaClaus-ists simply lack the belief in parents putting presents under Christmas trees, the other 2 questions/beliefs have no relevance.
Doodoorump 5 months ago
"IS ATHEISM A BELIEF?"
If you consider the disbelief in Bigfoot, Nessy and Mars aliens a belief then yes...
Why have entire discussions about this exactly?
Picasso43967 5 months ago
@Picasso43967 He is not saying that the disbelief itself is a belief, but that it necessitates a belief in either answer 2 or 3 from 2:44 .
Abhorsen27 5 months ago
@Abhorsen27
1) Possible.
2) Depends on what you define as "no external cause".
3) Most likely it did exist in one form or another yes.
In the end why people have to see more then there is to see I don't know.
We have some knowledge on it. We know pretty precise on WHAT happened.
But nobody I know claims to know HOW it all happened.
In the end his assumption is wrong. Most people don't belief in either 3 and are man enough to simply say "I don't know" about a subject they know nothing about.
Picasso43967 5 months ago
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@Picasso43967 "Most people don't belief in either 3 and are man enough to simply say 'I don't know' about a subject they know nothing about." That is my definition of Agnosticism. If you still accept that we can't know with 100% certainty, but try to argue for 2 or 3, then you have a belief.
Abhorsen27 5 months ago
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@Picasso43967 "Most people don't belief in either 3 and are man enough to simply say 'I don't know' about a subject they know nothing about." That is my definition of Agnosticism. If you still accept that we can't know with 100% certainty, but try to argue for 2 or 3, then you have a belief.
Abhorsen27 5 months ago
@Abhorsen27
But even if it was proven that there was intelligence behind the creation of the universe. Most religions didn't move a feet further. Actually many people would lose their belief as it would be obvious then that there is no talking about a 6000 year old universe f.ex. And again they're still empty handed. Because even if we find intelligence every religion will claim it's their God.
And we're back at base...
Picasso43967 5 months ago
@Picasso43967 ...normally I don't complain about spelling and grammar mistakes, but I seriously can't understand your second comment here.
Abhorsen27 5 months ago
@Abhorsen27
Reread it, no grammatical or spelling errors I can find Neither can a basic spellings checker.(English being my 3th language I can always make a spelling mistake)
Picasso43967 5 months ago
@Picasso43967 I don't understand how the existence of an Intelligent Designer would make people abandon the Young Earth doctrine - which neither I nor GLD have mentioned in this video.
"Because even if we find intelligence every religion will claim it's their God." Probably, yeah. There are separate arguments for the God's identity/characteristics/actions.
I will argue for God's existence all you like, but you have ignored my initial point.
Abhorsen27 5 months ago
Fuck are you stupid. That's a nice way of putting it. You're unbelievably dishonest about a lack of beliefs.
I take it you don't believe in Santa Claus. Does your lack of believe make you a Santa Clausist? Derp!
bigboy45454545 5 months ago
@bigboy45454545 He is not saying that the disbelief itself is a belief, but that it necessitates a belief in either answer 2 or 3 from 2:44 .
Abhorsen27 5 months ago
@Abhorsen27 Well the honest answer to question 1 and 2 is "It's not known at this time". But with no "intelligent designer" evident he's being biased and dishonest by adding this designer to the question. Even more so in question 3 by saying a Gawd is required to have morality. This isn't true and the notion has been debunked. Assumptions of a Gawd which has never been indicated is incorrect. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Dishonest Joe is turning the tables and is wrong.
bigboy45454545 5 months ago
@bigboy45454545 1, 2, and 3 are all possible/proposed answers to the question "How did the Universe begin?"
They are possibilities to be examined. This video was not devoted to proving Intelligent Design - it's about how Atheism necessitates something that can rightly be called a "belief" in either answer 2 or 3.
Abhorsen27 5 months ago
@Abhorsen27 It's hard to even know what you mean. I mean this Dufus has his terms wrong and I think that you do too. Atheism is absence of a belief which by definition can't be a belief on it's own. This is contradictory. Are you being dishonest about this like Dufus here, or is it this really a misunderstanding on your part? Dufus talks about an Intelligent designer the whole time. It's even in the first question. With no evidence for this designer Dufus is dishonest in his assumptions.
bigboy45454545 5 months ago
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@bigboy45454545 "Atheism is absence of a belief which by definition can't be a belief on it's own." - you
"He is not saying that the disbelief itself is a belief, but that it necessitates a belief in either answer 2 or 3 from 2:44 ." - me
Abhorsen27 5 months ago
@Abhorsen27 You have to watch the video the whole way through again. The questions which Dufus postulates are known a loaded questions. I'm not buying what Dufus is selling. His assumptions of this creator without evidence combined with fudging morality into the equation make his agenda painfully obvious and incorrect. Only a Theist coming to the same conclusion without evidence can buy this bullshit. Or possibly a person not familiar with logical fallacies.
bigboy45454545 5 months ago
@Abhorsen27 It doesn't matter if there's a belief in 2 or 3. The entire debate between atheist and theist centers only around question 1. I don't believe the Easter Bunny exists, nor do I think he is the source of Easter Eggs. Is this a belief because in CONJUNCTION with my lack of belief on the Easter Bunny, I also believe parents color and hide Easter Eggs?
Doodoorump 5 months ago
@Doodoorump "It doesn't matter if there's a belief in 2 or 3" Uh, yeah, that's kinda the whole point of this video. The debate over God's existence is separate.
"The Easter Bunny doesn't exist" is still a negative, while 2 or 3 would be positives. They're different.
Abhorsen27 5 months ago
@Abhorsen27
Please tell me why a positive belief in 2 or 3 is at all relevant to atheism. 'The debate over God's existence is separate.' No, it isn't. The only reason someone adopts the label 'atheist' is if that individual lacks the belief in god's existence.
Doodoorump 5 months ago
@Abhorsen27
Me not believing the Easter Bunny is the source of Easter Eggs is a negative, however me believing Easter Eggs are colored and hidden by parents is a positive. So unless you are willing to characterize an a-EasterEggfromEasterBunny-ist as somehow having a positive belief IN REFERENCE to whether the Easter Bunny hides Easter Eggs, then 2 and 3 are not relevant. An atheist and theist are necessarily opposed on question 1 and question 1 alone.
Doodoorump 5 months ago