thanks rouge,has the ram i put in the side got to be a certian type for a certian computer or can i just try it [i work at a scrapyard in england ]what damage will i do if i just try random bigger rams [also if i may]how can i id the ram if i need to,thanks,
so if you go out and buy the fastest usb version 6 i think? this still wouldnt be as quick as virtual paging off your hard drive? Please clarify Thanks!
I tried doing this, but it seems like it has slowed down my computer. After restarting, when I go back to the virtual memory dialogue box, the computer shows the c drive being used as virtual memory although I did click set and apply.
Why is it that everyone thinks they know everything? Virtual RAM, memory page, virtual page whatever you call it, is not the same as hardware RAM, but yes, you can speed up the system. Do I really have to make a video to explain this stuff?
You are wrong about USB, USB 1.0, is 12Mbit/s full band, USB 2.0 is 480Mbit/s. USB is now capable of 4 Gbit/s!
lol i was going to buy a couple of usb splitters connect them all together and put shitloads of usb sticks on it....until i heard your video..thanks..:)
And to clarify why speed isn't an issue here... I've got all the musical parts lined up (guitar, bass, drums, etc.), and they're all leveled out, but it's used almost all the space available to do that.
Now, in addition to keeping all those parts (10 tracks in all, .WAV + effects) in active Ram, it renders them in active RAM, then gives the option to save if i like the result. Of course, adding another WAV file. Rendering can take 3 days, i don't care. Just want the space to get it done.
Thanks for clearing that up. Almost bought into the "RAM" misconception (wouldn't have been a waste of time). Trying to steal a little more ram for a audio recording project, trying to deny that I really just need to put down a couple thousand and get a better computer.
Any ideas on how to squeeze out a little bit extra, without making big purchases? I'm maxed on ram size (2.5 gig). Speed is not an issue for me, as much as space, as all components must be loaded simultaniously to opperate.
@cencalrigger If you're using Windows XP 32 bit your ram limit should be around 3.5 GB unless your motherboard has a strange limit on RAM or you have a video card that doesn't have dedicated memory. What operating system do you have? What motherboard (whats the model number if you are using a pre-built system from a manufacturer) do you use? What video card are you using? With that information I could probably tell you how to increase your RAM.
It used to be a rule about the page/swap space being 1.5 - 2x the ram, but I think it is slowly not the rule when huge ram sizes are used. The more ram the computer has, the less swap space it will generally use and it actually drops down to around 80% the size of ram (when speaking of 24 GB or more of ram usually having that much swap space is not needed depending on what the person is doing or course) sorry If I posted what others have said!
Overall you are spot on and the end result is rock solid. I would also add that the actual link speed of 480 mbps for usb 2.0 ( 60 MBps) is hard for people to wrap their head around. Companies always try to use smaller units to get a bigger end-number and make people think they are getting something huge without thinking about whats actually going on. It's cap is actually slightly less as well since part of the bandwidth is used for signaling and other non file transfer data. great work you do!
With regard to when ram pages, it just copies its data to physical disk byte-for-byte (not necessarily files, but yes lower level sys access is treated as "files", but I know what you meant :0) )
Modern OS's don't necessarily wait for RAM to fill up before paging, they do it when a program with less priority takes second tier to one with higher priority, within a certain tolerance of available capacity (different methods on every OS). Also, the more ram you have, the less paging occurs.
Hey Jeff just a quick additions: I think you meant GigaBYTES not GigaBITS when referirng to ram capacity (which as you know is an 8X difference).
Also, unless we are talking about parity checking for ECC type modules, or buffering for FB-DIMMS, ram doens't process anything, it just stores/rtreives data.
1. The other video was referring to the speed of a USB 2.0 port which is 408 MBPS. You however are correct that no flash drive can utilize that speed and run much slow. Some external HD's can though and if you have an old one laying around use it.
2. You are correct! The other video did misword it and said RAM instead of Page File.
You're vrey correct on a lot of things, however you keep saying bits, but it's bytes. 256MB = MegaBytes, not MegaBits. B = Byte, b = bit. Humongous difference in size.
Since the paging file is stored on your hard-drive, wouldn't storing the paging file on a decent thumbdrive theoretically be faster than loading it off of your hard-drive, leaving your hard-drive to do other things?
I know neither options can compare to the speed of physical RAM itself, but would there be any speed difference -at all- using his method?
No Infact it would dramatically Slow down if you used his method. There are No thumbdrives that can compair to the speed of a Physical Harddrive either.. If you want to use your thumbdrive to speed up your computer....use it For Vista's Ready Boost.
@Apk07 Only if you're using usb 3.0 and a suitable drive capable of utilizing 3.0 speed (like the kingston one I obtained this month), are you going to come even close to 70mb per second on a write operation, or 100mb per second on a read. Keep in mind that even the slowest common RAM about 10 to 15 years ago (PC66 to PC100 ram) had a maximum transfer rate of about 533mb per second at its peak. On average, about 300mb/s, which is still over 3x faster than a 3.0-capable flash drive. It works, but
@jameswasil you're far better off going with something like a mushkin SSD drive with a 500MB/s sustained data rate, where you're only at a 33mb per second difference from the very most a PC100 or 133 chip could give you. Esentially, you'd be going from a speed that is DDR2 or DDR3 RAM on your system down to the speed of PC100 SDRAM (but a whole lot of it) on an SSD drive until your available system ram is free again. This is a much better option than to use a flash drive if you can help it.
Your would Buy it at a store, open the side of your Computer Safely remove the old ram and safely insert the new ram, put the side of the computer back on ...and viola
Well... The method Doesnt Work....Which is Why i made this Video....Virtual Paging Can Simply be done With your hard Disk and usually Produce better results....But thank you For acknowledging That you were mistaken....It was More than Chris Pirillo Could do! lmao
(continued) Also, i now see how the whole pagefile.sys works. Sorry about the misconceptions.. :( Strangely, it does work, though the way i tried to explain and describe it was wrong. - Also, i do remember stating (in the video or one of the first few comments) that you shouldnt use this for system requirements to run programs or play games - for example, if u used a 512 mb flashdrive, it wouldnt give u 1 GB of ram to meet system req's for a game. i give u a 5/5 and subscribe. Thank you!
Hello Rogue7 Tech Support. After watching this, i agree that some of my facts were off... i did some research into this myself.. i was just messing around and found that this sped up some old computers, but now i realize why... its not the RAM and you were right. I am going to approve this video, but would appreciate it if you rename this to "clearing dinjin201's misconceptions" - because my "method" works, i just didn't explain it properly.
Hi Jeff, can you also comment on something in the comments on Dinjin's video. In the comments he says to someone that "using several USBs is better than using 1 larger one, the same as using 2 x 1 gig of ram in 2 sticks is better than using one stick of 2 gig ram." Not counting a computer that has to have both ram slots filled, is it actually better to put for example, 1 gig in each slot rather than 2 gigs in one slot? I have wondered about this but never found the answer. thanks
I Am Going to Be Covering this Question More in Depth In My Next Video but Again this is not Necessarily true. As With Everything Of Course You get What you Pay for .... Using Two Good 1 gig thumbdrives Is of course better than using 1 Crappy 2 gig..... But If the larger thumbdrive , Say if you had a 16 gig Thumbdrive with a read write speed of 30+ Mbps Then i would definitely advice you Use the Larger. It isn't So much the SIZE that counts its the Quality!
ok, look forward to the info. What I was more curious about though, was his comment about actual ram. In a computer that doesnt neet to have all the ram slots filled, is it better if you have 2 gigs of ram to have 2 x 1 gig compared to inserting 1 x 2gig in one slot? In his reply to comments to his video, he makes this statement about RAM and I have always been curious about that too.
It really Depends on Wether your motherboard Can accept a 2 gig stick of RAM... And again you do get what you pay for....if the 2 gig stick of ram is faster that the 2 x 1 gigs then the 2 gig would be better.....But of course if the 1 x 2 set up has the msot potential for being faster than the 2 gig then it would be better to use the 2 one gig sticks...You Generally determine this with the MHZ of the stick but then you would have to take the RAM timing into account as well.
thanks rouge,has the ram i put in the side got to be a certian type for a certian computer or can i just try it [i work at a scrapyard in england ]what damage will i do if i just try random bigger rams [also if i may]how can i id the ram if i need to,thanks,
coldindread 3 weeks ago
I need to ask one question, if you do what Dinjin201 says will it speed up your computer or not?
Jesse1443 2 months ago
@FiddlerAdam "Sata" isn't external thats E-Sata. And no Sata isn't the fastest. PCI-E is. Also,
Fire-wire is a dead standard.
GenuineMW2 6 months ago
also, I think you're confusing bit and byte
K3NatCSS 8 months ago
Thanks for making this. I believed that this worked when I was 13, but then I actually learned how page files, RAM and flash works.
K3NatCSS 8 months ago
it has cash? wow ! Im in the money!!
theslothman666 10 months ago
@theslothman666 LoL...if only cache could give us cash or win us the lottery, eh?
jameswasil 9 months ago
So do you mean thay a USB doesnt really add RAM for the PC?Im suffering now I only got 512RAM,anyways how much is 1GB RAM?
RebornChieko1434 10 months ago
I will de-bunk this video!
1. fastest usb flash drive is 50mb/s not Mega-Bits/s!
2. ram doesnt process nothin. it just holds open stuff
3.your webcam suckz.
GenuineMW2 10 months ago
@GenuineMW2
so if you go out and buy the fastest usb version 6 i think? this still wouldnt be as quick as virtual paging off your hard drive? Please clarify Thanks!
TubeRider808 7 months ago
@TubeRider808 There isn't Usb v6. If it was real then yes it would be way faster.
But a 1tb USB 6.0 drive would still be slow because the hard drive in those external
hdd's only give about 75 mb/s but again it would still be faster than
today's usb standards. It is like that because USB 2.0 only give a real
world max of 40mb/s and though if you want a paging eternal hdd
buy a USB 3.0 one. it gives more than double the speed i think.
GenuineMW2 7 months ago
your work is great @ rouge
wharton448 1 year ago
I tried doing this, but it seems like it has slowed down my computer. After restarting, when I go back to the virtual memory dialogue box, the computer shows the c drive being used as virtual memory although I did click set and apply.
xmind22 1 year ago
i thought it was funny because the way he talks sounds very high class when it comes to technology an in the video he was dressed like a pimp lol
ChristianVargas97 1 year ago
everybody is a expert on youtube
cazyblood3 1 year ago 19
Why is it that everyone thinks they know everything? Virtual RAM, memory page, virtual page whatever you call it, is not the same as hardware RAM, but yes, you can speed up the system. Do I really have to make a video to explain this stuff?
You are wrong about USB, USB 1.0, is 12Mbit/s full band, USB 2.0 is 480Mbit/s. USB is now capable of 4 Gbit/s!
prophetnite 1 year ago
@prophetnite Do keep in mind that those speeds never actually happens.
there is no drive that will reach the technical spec :P
(sure usb 3.0 device can max out 1.0 port...)
mastermindzh 1 year ago
lol i was going to buy a couple of usb splitters connect them all together and put shitloads of usb sticks on it....until i heard your video..thanks..:)
a bit sad now haha
c64c64c64 1 year ago
What determines the speed of your pc ? RAM or Harddrive
dbl8music 1 year ago
@dbl8music Tricky question...
Generally speed is effected by....
-CPU (the chipset you use effects speed also)
-Ram (type and amount)
-Video card (only applicable in certain instances)
-Hard drive (interface,speed and Cache)
-Software problems and stuff in your start up group
Everything listed is important, and if you have a problem with one component, it can bottle neck your performance.
nicholsml 1 year ago
And to clarify why speed isn't an issue here... I've got all the musical parts lined up (guitar, bass, drums, etc.), and they're all leveled out, but it's used almost all the space available to do that.
Now, in addition to keeping all those parts (10 tracks in all, .WAV + effects) in active Ram, it renders them in active RAM, then gives the option to save if i like the result. Of course, adding another WAV file. Rendering can take 3 days, i don't care. Just want the space to get it done.
cencalrigger 1 year ago
Thanks for clearing that up. Almost bought into the "RAM" misconception (wouldn't have been a waste of time). Trying to steal a little more ram for a audio recording project, trying to deny that I really just need to put down a couple thousand and get a better computer.
Any ideas on how to squeeze out a little bit extra, without making big purchases? I'm maxed on ram size (2.5 gig). Speed is not an issue for me, as much as space, as all components must be loaded simultaniously to opperate.
cencalrigger 1 year ago
@cencalrigger If you're using Windows XP 32 bit your ram limit should be around 3.5 GB unless your motherboard has a strange limit on RAM or you have a video card that doesn't have dedicated memory. What operating system do you have? What motherboard (whats the model number if you are using a pre-built system from a manufacturer) do you use? What video card are you using? With that information I could probably tell you how to increase your RAM.
nicholsml 1 year ago
awsome dude, thanks for clearing this up.
punchy001 1 year ago
About the swap/paging file size:
It used to be a rule about the page/swap space being 1.5 - 2x the ram, but I think it is slowly not the rule when huge ram sizes are used. The more ram the computer has, the less swap space it will generally use and it actually drops down to around 80% the size of ram (when speaking of 24 GB or more of ram usually having that much swap space is not needed depending on what the person is doing or course) sorry If I posted what others have said!
mayathemacjedi 2 years ago
Overall you are spot on and the end result is rock solid. I would also add that the actual link speed of 480 mbps for usb 2.0 ( 60 MBps) is hard for people to wrap their head around. Companies always try to use smaller units to get a bigger end-number and make people think they are getting something huge without thinking about whats actually going on. It's cap is actually slightly less as well since part of the bandwidth is used for signaling and other non file transfer data. great work you do!
mayathemacjedi 2 years ago
Also,
With regard to when ram pages, it just copies its data to physical disk byte-for-byte (not necessarily files, but yes lower level sys access is treated as "files", but I know what you meant :0) )
Modern OS's don't necessarily wait for RAM to fill up before paging, they do it when a program with less priority takes second tier to one with higher priority, within a certain tolerance of available capacity (different methods on every OS). Also, the more ram you have, the less paging occurs.
mayathemacjedi 2 years ago
Hey Jeff just a quick additions: I think you meant GigaBYTES not GigaBITS when referirng to ram capacity (which as you know is an 8X difference).
Also, unless we are talking about parity checking for ECC type modules, or buffering for FB-DIMMS, ram doens't process anything, it just stores/rtreives data.
mayathemacjedi 2 years ago
1. The other video was referring to the speed of a USB 2.0 port which is 408 MBPS. You however are correct that no flash drive can utilize that speed and run much slow. Some external HD's can though and if you have an old one laying around use it.
2. You are correct! The other video did misword it and said RAM instead of Page File.
Thanks for making the great video response.
bran1har 2 years ago
You're vrey correct on a lot of things, however you keep saying bits, but it's bytes. 256MB = MegaBytes, not MegaBits. B = Byte, b = bit. Humongous difference in size.
penguisher 2 years ago
Can you do a video on how to use the virtual pagin memory to increase the speed of the computer?
VladaMucak93 2 years ago
@VladaMucak93
That does increase your Computer speed! Just not as effectivly as RAM would. If you want to speed up your PC, GO BUY SOME RAM!
bran1har 2 years ago
Right. And a new processor while I'm at it.
VladaMucak93 2 years ago
i admire you two guys... you resolve this matter in a civilized manner... my hats off for you ... and thanx both for the info
dantz75 2 years ago
tnx.. was just about to do it
booobies11111 2 years ago 3
Since the paging file is stored on your hard-drive, wouldn't storing the paging file on a decent thumbdrive theoretically be faster than loading it off of your hard-drive, leaving your hard-drive to do other things?
I know neither options can compare to the speed of physical RAM itself, but would there be any speed difference -at all- using his method?
Apk07 2 years ago
No Infact it would dramatically Slow down if you used his method. There are No thumbdrives that can compair to the speed of a Physical Harddrive either.. If you want to use your thumbdrive to speed up your computer....use it For Vista's Ready Boost.
Rouge7TechSupport 2 years ago
@Apk07 Only if you're using usb 3.0 and a suitable drive capable of utilizing 3.0 speed (like the kingston one I obtained this month), are you going to come even close to 70mb per second on a write operation, or 100mb per second on a read. Keep in mind that even the slowest common RAM about 10 to 15 years ago (PC66 to PC100 ram) had a maximum transfer rate of about 533mb per second at its peak. On average, about 300mb/s, which is still over 3x faster than a 3.0-capable flash drive. It works, but
jameswasil 9 months ago
@jameswasil you're far better off going with something like a mushkin SSD drive with a 500MB/s sustained data rate, where you're only at a 33mb per second difference from the very most a PC100 or 133 chip could give you. Esentially, you'd be going from a speed that is DDR2 or DDR3 RAM on your system down to the speed of PC100 SDRAM (but a whole lot of it) on an SSD drive until your available system ram is free again. This is a much better option than to use a flash drive if you can help it.
jameswasil 9 months ago
So how do we add Ram?
themachine91090 2 years ago
Your would Buy it at a store, open the side of your Computer Safely remove the old ram and safely insert the new ram, put the side of the computer back on ...and viola
Rouge7TechSupport 2 years ago
thank you for the info, both of you.
alantaecaswell 2 years ago
Well... The method Doesnt Work....Which is Why i made this Video....Virtual Paging Can Simply be done With your hard Disk and usually Produce better results....But thank you For acknowledging That you were mistaken....It was More than Chris Pirillo Could do! lmao
Rouge7TechSupport 2 years ago
(continued) Also, i now see how the whole pagefile.sys works. Sorry about the misconceptions.. :( Strangely, it does work, though the way i tried to explain and describe it was wrong. - Also, i do remember stating (in the video or one of the first few comments) that you shouldnt use this for system requirements to run programs or play games - for example, if u used a 512 mb flashdrive, it wouldnt give u 1 GB of ram to meet system req's for a game. i give u a 5/5 and subscribe. Thank you!
dinjin201 2 years ago
Hello Rogue7 Tech Support. After watching this, i agree that some of my facts were off... i did some research into this myself.. i was just messing around and found that this sped up some old computers, but now i realize why... its not the RAM and you were right. I am going to approve this video, but would appreciate it if you rename this to "clearing dinjin201's misconceptions" - because my "method" works, i just didn't explain it properly.
dinjin201 2 years ago
lol your so right. Dude you have all the facts.
Petezzaboy1 2 years ago
Hi Jeff, can you also comment on something in the comments on Dinjin's video. In the comments he says to someone that "using several USBs is better than using 1 larger one, the same as using 2 x 1 gig of ram in 2 sticks is better than using one stick of 2 gig ram." Not counting a computer that has to have both ram slots filled, is it actually better to put for example, 1 gig in each slot rather than 2 gigs in one slot? I have wondered about this but never found the answer. thanks
gwilll2006 2 years ago
I Am Going to Be Covering this Question More in Depth In My Next Video but Again this is not Necessarily true. As With Everything Of Course You get What you Pay for .... Using Two Good 1 gig thumbdrives Is of course better than using 1 Crappy 2 gig..... But If the larger thumbdrive , Say if you had a 16 gig Thumbdrive with a read write speed of 30+ Mbps Then i would definitely advice you Use the Larger. It isn't So much the SIZE that counts its the Quality!
Rouge7TechSupport 2 years ago
ok, look forward to the info. What I was more curious about though, was his comment about actual ram. In a computer that doesnt neet to have all the ram slots filled, is it better if you have 2 gigs of ram to have 2 x 1 gig compared to inserting 1 x 2gig in one slot? In his reply to comments to his video, he makes this statement about RAM and I have always been curious about that too.
gwilll2006 2 years ago
It really Depends on Wether your motherboard Can accept a 2 gig stick of RAM... And again you do get what you pay for....if the 2 gig stick of ram is faster that the 2 x 1 gigs then the 2 gig would be better.....But of course if the 1 x 2 set up has the msot potential for being faster than the 2 gig then it would be better to use the 2 one gig sticks...You Generally determine this with the MHZ of the stick but then you would have to take the RAM timing into account as well.
Rouge7TechSupport 2 years ago
thanks for the helpful info.
rarityd 2 years ago