Pro Wrestling:Is competition to hurt others a good thing?

[superaleste]

You are very niave. Unfortunatly the world isn't all peaces and cream.  You try to be the best, but hey, so the next guy. Thats how it works. You win or you lose.

[gr3g12345]

In business outdoing the competition is the name of the game. WWE's slide into mediocrity is due to their monopoly on mainstream wrestling. They didn't have to do their best as a promotion- who was competing with them? But with TNA's recent moves, they (hopefully) will take notice and start improving.

[IronSheik2000]

Injury risk is always present, no matter if you are in a extremme match CZSW type or in a lame for kids match WWE style.

[HellBrYnger]

but, on another side, i have to quote ken anderson here.

"mr. kennedy died in a trainwreck, and that trainwreck can subsequently be watched every monday night on USA network.

Where you can watch the same 5 guys do the same 5 things for the last 5 years."

he's got a point there.

[MightyJabroni]

And btw - it wasn't competition, which killed WCW and made the WWF a monopole. WCW messed up in so many different aspects, that they literally screwed themselves out of business (backstage politics, stupid booking decisions, throwing money around as if it was candy etc.). Ultimately I think that WCW couldn't carry it's own weight as soon the times got tougher for them.

[MightyJabroni]

It is absolutely possible to have a mainstream shared by several promotions (like in Japan). But this is absolutely not the case in the U.S. You have the WWE and a little bit of TNA and ROH. And the WWE runs even three shows a week ... but the WWE style isn't really attracting me as a fan anymore. Their whole product is so overblown in nearly every aspect. But they can afford it, since there is no equally big alternative out there. And if this about to change, I think it's for the better.

[MightyJabroni]

Well, I get your point. But competition is something that will automatically result, whenever a promotion wants to achieve an equal or nearly equal status like the WWE in the USA. Because the WWE wants to be up there alone. And since they own everything of WCW and the ECW and since the remaining NWA isn't much to talk about, WWE owns a significant part of American wrestling tradition. They are currently in an allmighty position. And they want to stay there alone.

[tymoney321]

Jericho has said in interviews recently that he feels WWE is at a crisis point when it comes to a lack of new stars. A strong argument could be made that WWE doesnt have a sense of urgency to create new stars due to a lack of true competition. If TNA were to begin making a dent in WWEs business, it could lead to a sense of urgency that has been missing from WWEs business model for promoting and elevating new stars.

[tymoney321]

WWE wrestler Chris Jericho says he hopes Hulk Hogan helps TNA become a bigger company to give the WWE competition in the marketplace. Jericho says a stronger TNA would help WWE become better. Anything that makes that company bigger is better for us, Jericho Competition is what we thrive on, so good luck to them. I hope they get a real big boost from it.

[crazymike1706]

@tymoney321

You can also look at it from a different light. The federation at the time had to make new stars because most of their stars left. The E always had the power and skills necessary to make stars the problem lies in the follow through and bad choice making.

I must add that they have been doing a great job with Kofi.

[tymoney321]

You know I can agree with that. WWE is always capable of making new stars but they often choose not to.

I'm enjoying what they are doing on Raw with Kofi. But these next few months will be critical for Kofi. A couple of bad choices and he will fizzle back into the lower card again.

[TeamExtremeMember8]

But not CM Punk.

[pamlovsy2j]

Ego simple. I don't want TNA to let Hogan brainwash them into worrying so much about wwe that they put themselves out of business trying to beat them. I love TNA just the way it is. Hogan just needs money that's why he's "so behind" TNA.

[FondooTube]

Reason: Money, end of.

[hotboy872000]

Death to TNA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[armandroh666]

Certainly agree with every point you made, plus it's good to have a variety of promotions to watch. With so many who get bored of the same stuff each week, it's great to see differant things weather it be the indies, north america overall, & or Japan.

[ShadowRowin]

Totally agree. But it seems most TNA fans want WWE dead.

It hurts my head trying to talk to them.

But yes, the companies should be like a, well " friendly rivals" Pushing one another to get bigger and better. Never gonna happen, but its an idea

[hypnoticgenes]

Well competition is good just about any industry. Why do you think we have anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws?

[Pololifestyle]

i couldnt agree more

[TraciPeteyforlife]

well Mike it all boils down to ego and money. Hogan needs money and his ego is huge. Its all about that. Running people out of business is stupid. people need to be able to work all over the place. that way they can make money. if say pay checks are short one place. it can be made up from else where. and like you said it helps give guys the knowledge they need to go forward. it keeps the biz on a whole healthy for the future.

[someweirdguy]

selfishly as a fan, i'd like to see wwe get better as in go back to wwf style or at least post-attitude. but that totally makes sense too.

[cowboy803]

I've been saying this for 8 years. The WWE didn't win the Monday Night Wars the fans lost at the end. Hogan and Biscoff has slammed TNA for 7 years but now he's broke and needs the money he's the biggest TNA fan what a joke. TNA has a good thing going with Spike on Thursday hopefully he doesn't fool them into moving to Mondays. 3 wrestling shows on 1 night is just bad for business.

[gosuns08]

were hae you been its called capitalism, let people compete, if you fail then u get back up and try agin and agin until that person feels like it, its great to to see people compete,as of NOW it is being destroyed was we speak, our preisdent has cleary made a name for himself and his administration as being anti capitalist, and pro socialist idea views and the progressvice movement, he even gave a self admitted comminust a job in the white house, so just let the invisible hand go to work

[KcLegendary]

Back in the 80's era,there were territories that allowed the brand extension, inorder for wrestlers to have a chance to compete with each other,how ever....those companys back then,did not intend to run each and every company out of business. To sum this up,and every sense the mondaynight war agenda,now days, too many people want to see a company reach a down fall,wich is very sad...IMO.

[tymoney321]

Competition breeds better product. I don't want anyone to go out to business but I know having a war isn't bad. Why does it have to be one or the other anyway? They can compete and one can still survive.

When there is only one company running things they tend to suck. If done right then the wrestling fans are the real winners and nobody loses, like McDonald and BurgerKing., Nike and Adidas etc. Economics 101, competition breeds better products based on self-interest. Monopolies do not.

[crazymike1706]

tymoney321:

"Competition breeds better product."

There is no evidence for that statement. Ever since the "Monday night war" DVD came about, the IWC has been saying that. Competition supposedly helped the E at the time, however WCW at a certain point was at a huge decline.

"competition breeds better products based on self-interest"-That is a extremely one sided viewpoint. You didn't get the entire point of my vid. I never said companies shouldn't compete.

[tymoney321]

WCW was on the rise though and ultimately WWE had to figure out a way to overcome WCW. Although it breeds better product things don't happen overnight.

[steeltownbrown52]

You should have done this vid when Bill & Doug were going off at the mouth on how TNA was gonna put WWE out of business. Also Mike, wrestling fans are selfish. They just as much don't give a shit as the money-hungry promoter.

[TheForgottenFlesh]

Don't understand why in Japan NOAH, AJPW and NJPW all work together and other small promotions but in the states everyone is trying to run each other out of business.

[TheExecutioner110]

I mean yeah, if TNA really tries to compete with WWE a lot of people are gonna lose their jobs because WWE will take out TNA.

Simply because Vince has been there and knows what he's doing (believe it or not!)

Great vid as always Cmike!!

[Darthpsychonis]

Competition is a good thing, and I think that the lack of competition is why the WWE has become staile during these last 8 years. But, the guys in TNA need start pulling at lest a 2.0 before they even think of going against the WWE. This is a bad move in my view.

[EXXXTACY69]

Competiting for talent and trying to get competitive ratings is one thing but going head to head on Monday night is just stupid.

[tymoney321]

And UFC is going head to head with Monday Night Raw the week after TNA does. For UFC it's definitely not suicide. If UFC went to War with WWE, the E' would have to drastically step it up or be succumbed by the MMA. Definitely not suicide in their case.

[steeltownbrown52]

I respect your comment dude, but it sounds like you're crying over the Attitude Era in a mature way.

[Darthpsychonis]

Well if you put it like that, then I guess you don't really respect my comment, do you?

[XanderHunts]

people need to realize hogan is good at propaganda, and that's it, he was one of the one's that helped Vince make wrestling a dirty word, he toar down WCW from the inside and he's just doing the same with TNA, all he's doing is helping Vince force feed the fans WWE, there killing pro wrestling as a sport, multiple brands is better for pro wrestling as a whole, and those promoters need to realize people who know about the shows usually watch them, fans are able to watch more then one show a week

[shortchanged839]

I dont really agree with you in this video. I think in order to do well and put out the best product, your mindset should be to squash the competition. Also, it's inevitable for two pro wrestling promotions to not begin to majorly compete with one another once they are both on the same level... I'm willing to sacrifice 2 mediocre companies that stick around for 20 years for 2 amazing companies with only one surviving after 5 or 10 years. those few years will have fantastic wrestling/storylines.

[EXXXTACY69]

You do not have to kill "competition" to be successful. Your goal should be to be as big as you can be but not to put another company out of business on purpose. You do that by trying to be different from what is out there.

[tymoney321]

Competition does make it tougher though. If you were the only company would you strive & devote all resources to make a better, stronger, faster, more efficent, better tasting, more entertaining product? Nah, people will still come to you since you are the only one available

But if you have forced to compete you HAVE to or else you will fail

I'm not saying you have to be this way as a company, but it just ends up being this way

TNA cant compete with WWE right now. But this is just 1 night only

[crazymike1706]

tymoney321

Another one sided argument!

You're assuming that just because YOU think a certain way or that just because YOU have a certain mindset that everyone else thinks like that. Everyone has different levels of drive and motivation.

You also have to keep in mind that different people have different taste and opinions.

[tymoney321]

Furthermore its basic economics. I don't think that way but that's why I'm not a big business man. It's really not a matter of mindset more of a REQUIREMENT. If you DON'T do this you will go out of buisness which is WHY you must get better. The sole reason is if they DON'T create a better or equal product then they WILL fail.

Its a survival of the fittest and the weak will fail. If the company cannot produce a better product than they fail in a competition war plain and simple.

[tymoney321]

They simply must have an equal or superior answer to every move the other business makes or they suffer. One wants to run a 3 hour show? You throw a show with no commercials. Its a constant game of one ups man ship where everyone does what they think will give them the edge. WCW thought they would get the edge with the same maineventers & celebrity guest hosts and spoiling WWEs shows. All of that backfired on them because WWE made a better product.

[shortchanged839]

I guess my question is how different can one wrestling company be from another? Over the years, the same concrete formulas for a solid wrestling product persevere... So, no I dont think a company has to make its primary goal to destroy another company, but if it aims at all to be better, it will most likely begin to hurt the other company. This is good for both companies as they will both try to top one another each week, bringing the best to the table they possibly can... I'm a fan of that.

[why2beyou]

interesting topic you bring up mike, i think it is kind of stupid... i dont see the point in hogan trying to put wwe out of business.. wasnt this guy in the WWE? didnt he become famous in the WWE? didnt he make a bunch of money in WWE? WWE also have him in their hall of fame. now he randomly wants to put them out of business for no apparent reason, apparently he had a good relationship with vince, and a bad one with vince russo, now its the other way around....

[AdoublesLdouble]

Technically Hogan became famous in the AWA, because technically Hulkamania started there, but I agree with Mike 100000000 percent. Wanting to put the competition out of business was one of the things that put WCW under.

[MrSchizo5]

Mike you got a point, but in this day and age everyone wants to be the best, why? Money!! You monopolize the business, the fans got no where to go but your company.

[EXXXTACY69]

Big different between wanting to be the best and wanting to put the other out of business.

[MrSchizo5]

@EXXXTACY69 I see what you mean but if they take out their competition then they proved that they are good enough to be called the best, and it also helps them make more money.

[crazymike1706]

MrSchizo5-The wrestling business is extremely different! Also, keep in mind that if a company folds, it's not always a direct result of its opponents.

[chriswarden420]

WWE has been on a downward slide since WCW went under. If TNA can get Vince to pull is head of his ass & get back to quality programing then I'm all for it. Vince dosen't care about the business he just cares about his pocketbook. TNA is just doing this to get noticed, it won't become a regular thing on monday night.

[EXXXTACY69]

Look what happened to WCW when they got noticed by WWE. Hell WSX put on its show head to head with ECW and look what happened to them. What on earth makes you think the end result will be any different?

[chriswarden420]

I'll I was saying is WCW forced WWE to get better & I hope TNA can do the same. Cause lets face it American Wrestling isn't at its greatest right now.

[TraciPeteyforlife]

depnds on what promotion your watching. I gave up on mainstream and just follow promtions with dvds. its kept me happy.

[chriswarden420]

I agree. I went to the ROH show during mania weekend & the in ring product was way better than anything I saw at Wrestlemania not counting Taker vs. HBK.

[instantclassicg1]

TNA is worrying way too much about putting WWE out of business

[MiiXCWalk]

ala Eric Bichoff in WCW days

[steeltownbrown52]

They need to stop, RIGHT NOW! They're just hurting themselves more and more. I have a feeling the January 4 Impact will be a disaster.

[headbanger641]

i agree wwe has tooking down or bought out so many other compaines wcw, wccw, awa, uwf, and i think nwa

[crossana]

Its very much a capitalist philosophy, you look out for number 1 and its not a problem just in wrestling its a problem in society. Great Vid as usual

[MrGoldStandard09]

@crossana , i agree it's a capitalist philosophy , it's all about making money!i know it's wrong but if i was in hulk's place i would do the same or else you can't survive in the biz without capital!

[EXXXTACY69]

#1 is one thing going head to head and trying to put WWE is just stupid and the end result will be the opposite of that.

[aDance2Die2]

I want to see TNA rise just to see if WWE will actually try new things for a change. Because right now I found their product unwatchable, and it's partly because of what you said about everyone basically being the same wrestler when the bell rings. I find it hilarious you have indie fans who will overrate some of the most boring WWE matches (like most things on ECW), yet give no love to anything TNA does, when on average they have a card full of good matches each Impact.

[EXXXTACY69]

Rise is good. Going head to head with WWE is not rise that is suicide.

[aDance2Die2]

I'm confused about what you're saying. Are you saying you don't like TNA trying to compete with WWE? Because nevermind what Hogan says, that's all just hype, but Dixie Carter has never said she wants to put WWE out of business. She's said the opposite, which is offer an alternative on WWE's level of exposure.

Or are you referring to WWE wanting to keep TNA in the low light and have a monopoly on mainstream wrestling?

[EXXXTACY69]

Dixie may not have said it but pretty much every other person in TNA has said exactly that. Doing that will make Vince put TNA out of business.

[aDance2Die2]

No one in TNA has said they want to put WWE out of business. In fact, no one other than Vince and maybe Eric Bischoff has ever had any interest in putting another promotion out of business, because they all want to have alternatives.

[jijgfidjidhh]

Really? Didnt Vince pay almost pay all of ECW's bills for 3 years in the 90's? Eric Bischoff is the one who wants to put another promotion out of business. If Vince wanted to get rid of TNA, he would have done it along time ago.

[aDance2Die2]

You give Vince way too much credit. He's not the god of pro wrestling where he decides who succeeds and who doesn't. If Vince didn't want to create a monopoly on pro wrestling thus over saturating the market with all his shows, he wouldn't have done either of these two things:

1. Buy wCw

2. Buy wCw and then kill it, thus putting tons of talent out of work and turning a lot of wCw fans away from wrestling as a whole.

[jijgfidjidhh]

I see what you are saying but, he bought it when it was going down, and he did it so the WWF would survive!

[NicoTheUnique]

I like your point, like how many wrestlers use the Rolling cutter move now in WWE?...

[diddyman4real]

Mike can you link me to The Triple H interview you sourced your info from?

[crazymike1706]

diddyman4real

It's a very great interview. Chase(Cdude) and Josh(Tslay) has it.

[MrWrestlinginc]

Great video man. I totally agree.

[WWEReviewGuys]

Great video. I've thought the same thing myself. I think a company that is aggressive in putting another company out of business is in danger of taking it's eye off the ultimate goal (to woo fans with great content), and will make dumb decisions to boost its own image.

Hogan talks about bringing all these old names into TNA, but I'd bet they are too expensive, or they are past their prime and wouldn't add to the product. Including them would primarily boost Hulk's ego over his latest "get".

[13666matt]

Excellent points, and agree it is crazy. But, unfortunately a few egos seem to always make a decision that ultimately the fans suffer. The dangerous thing is TNA where starting to get better, and gradually increasing it's popularity. But, could now be putting themselves at risk taking on WWE to early and for what reason. EGOS!....

[extremedave2006]

i totally agree with you dude, the more companys we have the more wrestlers we can get introduced too, i'd love for alot of the guys in the indy feds at the mo to get more popular becuase they really do deserve it with the amount of talent they have.

[ROH4LIFE91]

we need more wrestling companies going mainstream and getting more poplar, imagine if you had tna, roh, pwg and chikara as big as the wwe, it would cause wwe to produce better shows and for the fans could see the different styles each company gives more easier due to tv, so i agree one company hurting another is no good for anybody

[naraicks]

one of the things i hate is the whole wwe reject thing. one of the best things about the monday night wars for me was watching nitro and suddenly seeing a wwe guy show up or vice versa. and like mike said the more companys there is the more wrestling there is so i dont get this whole fans loyal to one company thing either watch both find things you like about both and enjoy the product as a whole

[AdoublesLdouble]

And WWE didn't built it's repulation on WCW "rejects" like Steve Austin and Triple H?

[naraicks]

exactly and what about most of ecw's talent going to wwe as well in the early 2000's

[EXXXTACY69]

The WCW and ECW "rejects" weren't stars yet. Thats why they aren't called rejects. Rejects are former stars that is why for example Elijah Burke isn't called a WWE reject.

[CadillacL]

Hogan is SO past. If he think he'll help TNA, he's wrong. It'll get burried.

[ps95]

Exactly Brother! different companies are like different tribes, although it may be fun to see them compete (like ROH vs CZW) that does not mean that I want that "tribe" to be extinct. Rathe,r have them compete as a form of "showing off" their diverse talent in an honorable way, therefore everyone wins.

-And hell yeah I'll be at Final battle(Teddy Hart)

[WECENANUFF]

Wrestling's boring.

[AdoublesLdouble]

Kind of like they way you molest little boys?

[808TROY]

coming from a guy whos youtube name is WECENANUFF you say wrestling is boring?

how can wrestling be boring its entertaining it keeps us at the edge of our seats