Children being born today will never know what the sky really is supposed to look like.Chemtrail pilots tell us how can you sleep at night?.Karma will be knocking on your soul someday.I wonder if chemtrail pilots are MK ULTRAS?Some chemplanes are pilotless,computer controlled,empty from a living breathing person ,flying above and spraying chemtrails.This video does not lie.Chemtrail depopulation,not friendly contrails.
hahahaha. They're just vapor trails dude... nothing sinister. Different planes have different engines & the weather is different at different altittudes, resulting in different sorts of vapour trails.
Gimme a break. Most of the time it is just the vapor trail of jets, other times when the planes are going in circles it is just cloud seeding. Ya like someones poisening people, that would include them and their family also, that makes no sense.
Chemtrailing is being conducted by various governments around the globe. They are experimenting on weather manipulation, and bio weapons. Contrails do not linger in the sky, nor do they spread out. Money and threats to self and family are great reasons for someone to participate in chemtrailing. This is no joke, it is part of the New World Order.
Look closer at the chemical mixutes you captured in full screen
Pause video at 30 seconds, 1:29 and check out the bottom at 1:44 See the odd line formations similiar to alpha numeric shapes? Their is also more than what meets the eye in these chemical mixtures of those chemtrails Good video
i am posting this response to a challenge here, sillyfurby, because it shouldn't be deleted. everyone should know what kind of a slime he is. oh, he is also maxxewell and the challenge is to argue. he has made rude comments about my deceased wife as you well know. what i will be telling him is payback.
hey, dog breath disinfowhatever, i see you draw your own kind. is that guy flirting with you here your type? maybe you wish your wife was dead so the two of you could get it on?
9-11 was a conspiracy until it became reality, then it became history. today marks another anniversary of proof of how evil some people can be. God bless those who lost their lives, because of power and greed. God bless those who lost loved ones, because of power and greed. God protect us from the evil ones!
jbreezes - You might want to check out my other chemtrail video, Where Chemtrails Should Be. It's an animation, but explains how I feel about the situation.
Think of the sky as a pond. A boat crosses the water, leaving behind gentle undulating movement. Another boat crosses the water, leaving behind huge waves. A person can compare what they've seen and know the difference without having to have it explained to them. The differences were very obvious. Contrails and chemtrails are viewed the same way. You look, you see the difference. You can call them anything, it won't change the fact that one is innocent the other toxic and evil.
What you are talking about are vortexes, it has little to do with engine exhaust.
Because of these vortexes aircraft are classified in 3 cathegories: Light, medium and heavy.
Because vortexes can be very dangerous these aircraft are always separated. E.G.: between a departing heavy and medium aircraft must be at least 2 minutes.
Heavy aircraft always say heavy after their first contact with ATC.
unusmultorumm, I wasn't talking about votrexes, engine exhause or any of the other complicated things you so liberally dish out. I was talking about the mess in the sky. Chemtrails, to be exact. Contrails do not mess up the sky, where as chemicals and fibers most certainly do. Since you didn't grasp the "pond" comparison, try getting the gist this way. One of my kids is a tidy eater = no mess. Call her Contrail. Another is a sloppy piggie. Call her Chemtrail.
In this case I think you can compare contrails with trees. On a sunny place they will grow very large, however if the conditions are less favorable (shadow, sandy ground) the tree will remain small.
unusmulwhatever, what's with you being sarcastic to the lady? she was only trying to explain her view point. one posting you come across like a government spook, and the next it's like you are an adolescent punk.
That's okay, fungus37. Unusmultormm is just flexing his lip. Dealing with him is like dealing with my kids. Or like dealing with the man from IRS :O)
unu - Chemtrails are what is causing Autism and Alzheimers. Alzheimers is related to the accumulation of aluminum on the brain and Autism is linked to a child's inability to remove heavy metals from their body. The Aluminum and barium are messing us up. Coincidentally, Autism has increased 10,000 percent in the past 10 years and Alzheimers has increased 8,000 percent in the same time frame. They started spraying heavily, roughly 10 years ago. BINGO.
Chemtrails in miniature. True story. One morning just before dawn a cropduster flew over our subdivision. While he was spraying a nearby cotton field, he also sprayed a path across homes and of course yards. Just on my property alone two trees were sprayed an later died. My pony lost sight in one eye, and one of my registered dogs was blinded in both eyes. A small cropduster can do this damage, so speculate what just one chemtrail spraying plane can do.
Yes sillyfurby, there is nothing that is new about chemtrails. Only now they are being sprayed by jets and they are being sprayed for a different reason. I do not understand how people can not believe in them. They are real and they are being sprayed around the globe.
Okay, I went to Google and researched Portugal for chemtrails. You are right, Sillyfurby. that country has lots of chemtrails. Why do you, unusmultorumm say things that can be so easily disproved?
unu - how about checking with your boss and suggesting that he give you a new script. The one you're using is getting old. Of course since you don't know how to depress the CAPS key on your keyboard, you're pretty much in the dark about a lot of things.
unu - A typo is hitting the wrong key. You reversed the numbers. There is a difference in that error just as there is in you insisting contrails are chemtrails.
unu - I just Googled chemtrails over Portugal. Guess what, there were satellite pictures of chemtrails crisscrossing over the entire country. You lived there a year, and never saw them? HEY, EVERYONE, GOOGLE AND SEE CHEMTRAILS OVER PORTUGAL THEY ARE THERE AS PLAIN AS DAY! Care to explain yourself, unu?
I have looked closely, very closely. In fact I took several still shots of it and enlarged them. The trails come from the tail of the plane, not the engines. I knew this was going to be your argument because that is the only thing you could say to defend your insistence that there are no chemtrails. However, there are chemtrails and that picture proves it.
Carnicom stated that contrails appear where cloud formation is impossible.
How did he conclude that? He never explained it.
Another point is his explanation on cloud formation. He didn't state the difference between clouds and contrails. Clouds are formed by water and nuclei already present.
Contrails are formed by the above AND by water and nuclei added to the air by the exhaust.
This makes the threshold for contrail formation lower than those of natural clouds.
The fact that chemtrails can appear where cloud formation is not found is easy to deduce when you go to the weather service stats.
That video clearly showed and explained the difference between contrails and chemtrails. That plane at the end of the video was clearly spraying something. Those were not contrails coming from it.
Above I explained that contrails are formed differently than clouds, making the formation thredhold lower. Have you even read it?
Second, How do you conclude that cloud formation is impossible. The only data a meteostation has is the data gathered from weather ballons. Those are inaccurate in plase, and there are large time gaps between readings.
I can see where he's coming from with that. You are a good example of what it's like. It's like beating my head against a wall talking to you. But at least you are nice about it. Some of you guys are really obnoxious and rude.
- "The environmental conditions are not too different from each other" How did he conclude that? The rest of this part is based on this assumption.
And even if the conditions were the same, he didn't take into account the difference in aircraft.
The only difference between the formation contrails and normal clouds is that contrails are formed by adding water and condensation nuclei to the air. So contrails can be formed where clouds can't.
Nice video. Those who dreamed up spraying chemtrails will burn in hades for all eternity. It can all stop, the spraying, if the pilots would refuse the missions. They need to repent, and fast!
This morning we had real cirrus clouds. So then why weren't planes leaving the big plumes behind them that chemtrail unbelievers say they do? Obviously the weather conditions should have been conducive to such because there were real cirrus clouds. Yet the planes flew past and left nothing behind them. The obvious reason was that they just weren't chemtrailing today. I guess they got Father's Day off.
I saw on another video that someone had checked chemtrails on Wikipedia. The ingredients are sickening. People have become too dependent on their leaders, who take advantage of that. We blindly believe what we are told. That needs to stop or they will kill us off with their chemtrails. It's all about power and greed.
Lily You need to look at more chemtrail videos. Then look up in the sky when I tell you it looks odd. I do not understand how you could watch this video and think it is the way the sky should look.
I have seen this many times since I moved to America. We had it sometimes in my home country but not this much so. I am trying to learn about what it is but different people say different things. I do not know what to believe but I do not think planes can make clouds by flying past. Yet I do not know what the stuff that is sprayed is or why it is being sprayed on populations if it is bad.
sillyfurby that is what I think to. My roommate says they are just clouds made by airplanes. I told her that why then did I not see so many in my homeland. We had lots of airplanes flying in the sky and not so many clouds like what I see here. I am confused and do not know what to think.
unu - I learned in grade school what contrails are, and I'll never confess how long ago that was! Back then there weren't any chemtrails, no fake clouds. The skies were crystal blue. There is a very big difference in then and now. If contrails didn't mess up the sky then, they wouldn't mess it up now. So all the blame is on chemtrails. If you would do some basic research, you'd understand.
unu - And if you did basic research you'd have found out the difference between contrails and chemtrails. You keep saying contrails have been happening for a very long time, and I agree. It is chemtrails that started only years ago.
unu - There are no persistent contrails, only your persistent opinion that chemtrails do not exist. I have given a good deal of thought to this situation and have concluded that you are under threat to maintain silence in agreeing with the believers. How much are you getting paid to "try" and shoot down the truth? Are you getting as much as the pilots who joke about spray pay?
sillyfurby if this guy is getting paid by our government to spread his written form of pollution, then I must say we the tax payers are getting ripped off. They could at least spend our money on somebody that can come up with a better argument than he has.
contrails are not clouds. chemtrails are artificial clouds. I was a kid in the 70's, sure you would see a contrail here and there but you looked at it because you knew it would be gone in a matter of a few minutes. If you haven't noticed, the chemtrail SPREADS. At first it is a normal looking contrail, after 15 minutes it has expanded into a wide long whispy cloud. I just told my son, that never before in history has this occured,.Why isn't it being addressed? Why no test results?Same as 9/11.
We are getting it all crammed down our throats and still there are fools who believe in the what government tells us and does to us. They still think the fed reserve is working for the country , LOL. Just to dumb to understand how the world really is, or maybe just to big of cowards to accept it. Be a man and face the reality, this isn't " Leave it to Beaver". Truth is the answer and the truth is the government is run by people we don't elect,we are under attack with lies and murder from within.
Ha! I think that unusmultorumm is too young to know "Leave it to Beaver" just as he is probably too young to know what a blue sky looks like and what "real' clouds are supposed to look like. blite I agree with everything you have said.
The Netherlands are well known for it's magnificent cloud formations. Contrails are a very familiar sight here.
I have lived for a year in Portugal which has a blue sky every day. No clouds and no contrails.
But that is not what I meant. Because I fly almost daily, I climb above the clouds into the blue, idigo sky. It is a nice thought that while it is raining below, you are enjoying the sun.
unusmult, What you mistakenly think are clouds are clouding your vision. People are saying you are young an don't know any better, when in fact you come across as an old man so set in his thinking he is oblivious to the truth.
unusmult, up until I started reading your posts, I believed chemtrails were contrails, and that they were harmless. You have convinced me that I have been wrong. So I've been researching like crazy and have no doubts about how bad the toxic chemtrails are.
1) Air traffic has increased dramatically last decade and modern engines are more likely to leave contrails that old ones. Of course there are more contrails than in the 70's
2) Even in the past, contrails where known for the ability to spread and last for multiple hours.
At 22, you, are telling someone who was a teenager in the 70's how it was in the past...LOL. Look you attention seeking moron, I KNOW what they looked like and how they acted in the past and NEVER did they last for hours. Pulling that statement out of your ass just shows you are full of CRAP. Never in history has a contrail spread into clouds,NEVER. So whatever you pull out of your ass will NEVER change that fact. The fact that the government doesn't address it and explain it tells it all.
Yes and none of your photos prove anything, there are no dates on the pics, there are no time lapse showing what happens to the trails. Like I said, trails back in the day were there, but the trails we see today are so different in that the SPREAD OUT INTO CLOUDS. Can you understand that? The trails you sent were probably from airshows and with YOU dating them....you a funny guy.
I just sent you a PM filled with pictures and articled on spreading contrails.
Here is an exerpt from 1970: The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent contrails exist from 25,000 to 40,000 ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
Unusmult, Nobody can answer your questions. That's all you do, ask questions. Sooooo uncool. I've read what you post to people on other videos. You question, but then don't accept what they say. So why bother asking?
everyone answers your questions, hot shot unusmultorumm, it's just that you ignore them and keep asking the same questions over and over. as my grandmother would say, you sound like a broken record.
Well you are young and probably just don't know any better. It's not meant to be an insult. I think your knowledge is lacking when it comes to the atmosphere also. I'm going to try to PM you a video. Watch it clear through. Notice at the end it shows some planes that have the sprayers in the tail. Now I might not know all there is to know about planes but I'm pretty sure they don't have engines mounted to the tails in this fashion. lol
Heavy chemtrail spraying started about ten years ago, so people in their teens or 20's wont even know what a normal clear blue sky should look like. The sky now,is faded blue and white, it is very sad. Clifford Carnicom and Gwen Scott have helpful info on chemtrails.
bulitboy Well I am young like that too but I no that it is not like this in my birth country. We have lots of airplanes and sometimes I do see some chemtrails but not so much as here in America. So I guess I am lucky that I know what a blue sky looks like. They say where I live now that people would talk about the beautiful blue sky over the desert. But no more. I will look at the Clifford Carnicom and Gwen Scott websites. Thank you.
I agree bulitboy. In fact, I do not think most people of any age could care less about chemtrails or the Iraq war, or the corruption of the bush regime. The only time most see to care is when it affects them directly.
I do believe there are planes without nozzels to spray chemicals, fibers and germs. I also believe the opposite. Anyone can cherry pick their photographs. There are no restrictions to take photos of "clean" planes, while anyone caught snapping off shots of chemtrail planes is in a world of trouble. Therefore, the lack of ample evidence.
Teachers teach what they are taught. Years pass and students of course learn from their teachers. It happened to me, I learned. I learned about contrails evaporating leaving a clear blue sky. Times have changed. Chemtrails began. Now the sky is more often than not, a royal mess.
Back in the good ole days when I was in grade school, then high school, the students were taught that airplanes could leave "contrails" that remained a constant length. There had never been anything said about "created clouds". NEVER! There had never been anything said about "chemtrails" because there weren't any. No criss cross patterns that spread to eventually blot out the blue. Were all of the teachers wrong?
hey unuwhatever, have you said why you think some of the trails disappear and others don't? if they are all contrails, then they should all react the same when they are all visible in the sky at the same time. don't give me the bull that the payloads are different. that doesn't wash.
"Chemtrails" are mentioned in House Bill HR 2977,[11] the Space Preservation Act of 2001, introduced by Congressman Dennis Kucinich, where it appears as one of a list of "exotic weapons system[s]" to be banned under the bill. Proponents of the theory point to this as official acknowledgment of the possibility, at least, of such weapons systems. The entire list of exotic weapons was omitted from later versions of the bill.
unu is a one trick pony. He ignores scientific proof. He ignores eye witness accounts. He ignores those, including the US Air Force & the German government, who have admitted to spraying. He just goes on about the upper troposphere and cloud formation. He doesn't seem to realize that many of the spray planes fly when the conditions for cloud formation are impossible.
unu these points have been gone over ad nauseam with you. Chemtrail ingredients have been scientifically analyzed and toxins have been found in them. What don't you get?
You are trying to tell me that you don't know certain atmospheric conditions are imperative to cloud formation? I'm beginning to think that bible thumper is correct and you are in fact a bored housewife. And a not too smart one at that. You haven't proven a damn thing.
You must know that the video, which was translated correctly, is not the only German source which admits to chemtrails. You must know of Monika Griefahn who was chairman of the Committee for Culture and Media of the Federal German Parliament. In 2004 she stated, "Instead of making a concerted and determined effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions throughout the world, experiments of various kinds are being carried out in the earth's atmosphere in order to cure the symptoms."
How can you relate samples taken on the ground to contrails on FL300 and higher?
And the samples that are analized show no exessive concentrations of chemicals.
Of course there are limits to cloud formation, the point is that you said you can see when it is impossible or not (even for the meteodepartment the prediction of contrails is a wild guess).
So as a reply I asked an explanation for this bold statement.
unu your interpretation is just that, your interpretation. You put your own slant on everything you say, not just your German translation. You have a right to your own opinions but not your own facts. You didn't even address what Monika Griefahn had to say.
I see you have your one man fan club. Perhaps you keep arguing to impress him? You admit the technology to spray is there, so why don't you think it's already being done?
unu talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I have backed up things I have said with sources. You keep asking me the same thing over & over. You have nothing to back up what you say. It's strictly your twisted opinion. You have not answered my question as to why you think they aren't spraying. You didn't even comment on Monika Griefahn. You can't because you don't have any way to twist the facts.
Below I explained fungus37 the basics of cloudformation.
Above I provided a database with loads of great contrail photo's, movies showing exhaust from the engines and a document of an extensive research on the subject.
While you keep talking about research without even posting a link.
The misleading subtitles on the German video tells me that the "Chemtrail Comunity" is deliberately misleading people into believing in chemtrails.
So you think I'm a Bible thumper? Well, I guess I sort of am. I went and checked on that project cloverleaf. Things like that sure spoil a person's trust in their government. And yes, I think the government is involved, it isn't only outside sources. Maybe if we all ban together and thump a few morons with Bibles, it'll make a difference :O)
I've just finished reading a most interesting article that I found by Googling Project Cloverleaf. This one is about playing God with chemtrails. Doubters might want to check it out.
silly have you ever heard of the Hopi 'Day of Purification'? Many think chemtrails are a sign that it is near. It's odd that both the Christian Bible and the Hopi culture have similar beliefs when it comes to chemtrails.
unusmultorumm - Ha! At least muddie didn't suggest that you would do better with your time by reading the Bible. I've seen her postings on other videos. No doubt about it, she's a Bible thumper :O)
That's kinda rude of you silly to criticize somebody for her religious beliefs. BTW did you know the Bible speaks of chemtrails? I'm not a Bible thumper by any means but Bible codes do say that chemtrails are ordered by the Oval Office and paid for by the Navy. Spraying is a "cleansing" aerial assault against humans. It says they contaminate the air, water, & food. The government project is called Cloverleaf.
He? She? What's the difference. Drama is drama. I think he knows deep down inside that there really are chemtrails. But since he is the "big pilot" he can't admit to being wrong. He seems kinda cocky, although I don't know why he would be.
thistleskies, a lot of the non believers of chemtrails staunchly refuse to accept what they see going on in the sky above them. It's like they think by denial, truth will cease to exist.
unu - It's not an argument that you don't see what is going on, it is the truth. You keep mixing up contrails and chemtrails. You evidently don't know the difference. You insist that sprayed crap is clouds. I don't have to know the details about clouds to recognize spray coming from the nozzles of planes.
unusmult, how would you expect someone to take a picture of a plane that is merely a speck in the sky? Have you got any idea how expensive of a camera it would take? Why don't you take a picture of a plane spraying to prove there AREN'T any nozzles? Your idea of photographing, so YOU do it!
Actually, silly, this is more like what would be needed to photograph it; "It would be best to photograph these aircraft with a fast 5.6 refractor telescope, fitted with special
UV and polarizing filters, tracking would be difficult at first, but much could be done to clear up
the photographs, and the details then would show more clearly." from Contrails/Chemtrails website.
thistleskies - Wow, that sounds like the perfect way to get pictures of those chemtrail planes. Perhaps unu should fork over for the expense, since it was his request.
You don't need expensive equipment to correctly photograph an aircraft in flight. The reason all the conspiracy photo's are hazy is to hide the fact that there is nothing special.
sillyfurby. i don't think you have to be concerned about unu getting sick. doesn't seem to me that he is anykind of a real pilot. unless of course he flies one of those rockets outside of supermarkets.
gladly, unu. you have said you fly among the chemtrails and don't see anything wrong with them. that means you are wearing blinders. just the pilot someone would want to fly with, right? So, "if" you are a pilot, is that how you make a living? or is it just for fun? either way, you'd be wise to remove those blinders. do the world a favor, if you are a pilot, and look for evidence of contamination. you'd be a hero.
unusmultorumm - I have asked an airline pilot, and a corporate jet pilot, both of which are relatives of mine. Not only do they strongly feel that chemtrails are not innocent, but their flying buddies also agree. They are up all the time, and see trails all the time. They disagree with you in calling chemtrails, contrails. You'd do well to review your opinion.
sillyfurby I don't think any of these guys who debunk chemtrails have ever heard of The U.S. Department of Energy's Tropospheric Aerosol Program (TAP).
unusmultorumm - It isn't "suddenly" that there are pilots in my family. They've been flying since before you were born. One of them is the reason I realized chemtrails existed. You just don't like the idea that pilots have recognized the trails for what they really are.
I would like to add to what you said sillyfurby. Please take no offense to what I'm saying because none is intended. But there are tons of pilots. I have known commercial pilots that say flying a jet is just like driving a bus except you do it in the sky. They both carry people from one place to another. There is nothing spectacular about that profession anymore. 40 years ago it was a prestigious thing to do. Nowadays, it's very commonplace. I don't know why that unu guy is suspicious.
thistleskies - Perhaps unu is trying to use sidetracking as a means of avoiding the nitty-gritty of these postings. We are supposed to be discussing chemtrails, not relatives of those posting.
Ooops! If that's what he's doing then I guess it worked on me. Sorry. :( I will try to stay on topic. Do chemtrails exist? Hell, yeah they do. I have seen that oily mess in the sky they create. I often get a sore throat when they are spraying too. It's not in my head because usually I have the sore throat then I look up to confirm my prediction that they have been at it again. Just like monkeys tearing apart a cupcake the way they go at it. Nasty!
sillyfurby I have two dogs. I have not noticed their eyes doing that. However, when I notice the aerosol spraying going on, I do try to keep them in as much as possible. I figure if it's bad for people it must be bad for animals too. I'm not surprised your dogs eyes water during a spray day.
unu I realize the sore throat thing wasn't addressed to me but I would like to add my 2 cents on it. You seem to be under the impression that the only way something can get from the sky to the ground is if it is rained down. That's just plain silly. No logic there at all. The metals and other things that have been found in chemtrails are going to come down whether there is rain or not. We have high pollution advisories where I live and very often they coincide with heavy spray days.
Of course a part of the contents of a contrail will reach the surface within 1 or 2 days. But even then you still have some other problems:
- Only a part will reach the groud in a relative short time and this part can be spread over hundreds of square miles. This will result in a very low concentration.
- The contents of the trail can be blown over 2000 miles. They will never reach the ground below the contrail.
In Holland we regulary have sand from the Sahara blown over by the wind.
Children being born today will never know what the sky really is supposed to look like.Chemtrail pilots tell us how can you sleep at night?.Karma will be knocking on your soul someday.I wonder if chemtrail pilots are MK ULTRAS?Some chemplanes are pilotless,computer controlled,empty from a living breathing person ,flying above and spraying chemtrails.This video does not lie.Chemtrail depopulation,not friendly contrails.
ChemtrailKansas 1 month ago
hahahaha. They're just vapor trails dude... nothing sinister. Different planes have different engines & the weather is different at different altittudes, resulting in different sorts of vapour trails.
matthewlane 1 year ago
Oh, so that's what the plumes are. Gotta be nasty stuff!
Chihuahuapaws 1 year ago
Gimme a break. Most of the time it is just the vapor trail of jets, other times when the planes are going in circles it is just cloud seeding. Ya like someones poisening people, that would include them and their family also, that makes no sense.
glad122912 2 years ago 2
Chemtrailing is being conducted by various governments around the globe. They are experimenting on weather manipulation, and bio weapons. Contrails do not linger in the sky, nor do they spread out. Money and threats to self and family are great reasons for someone to participate in chemtrailing. This is no joke, it is part of the New World Order.
sillyfurby 2 years ago
Look closer at the chemical mixutes you captured in full screen
Pause video at 30 seconds, 1:29 and check out the bottom at 1:44 See the odd line formations similiar to alpha numeric shapes? Their is also more than what meets the eye in these chemical mixtures of those chemtrails Good video
dbootsthediva 2 years ago
How strange that if you search for chemtrails on YouTube, the results are about 15,700 videos.
Google = 958,000 for chemtrails So why are there people who still deny that chemtrails exist?
hillbillylily 3 years ago
i am posting this response to a challenge here, sillyfurby, because it shouldn't be deleted. everyone should know what kind of a slime he is. oh, he is also maxxewell and the challenge is to argue. he has made rude comments about my deceased wife as you well know. what i will be telling him is payback.
hey, dog breath disinfowhatever, i see you draw your own kind. is that guy flirting with you here your type? maybe you wish your wife was dead so the two of you could get it on?
fungus37 3 years ago
9-11 was a conspiracy until it became reality, then it became history. today marks another anniversary of proof of how evil some people can be. God bless those who lost their lives, because of power and greed. God bless those who lost loved ones, because of power and greed. God protect us from the evil ones!
fungus37 3 years ago
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hillbillylily 3 years ago
Good job.
jbreezes 3 years ago
jbreezes - You might want to check out my other chemtrail video, Where Chemtrails Should Be. It's an animation, but explains how I feel about the situation.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
Think of the sky as a pond. A boat crosses the water, leaving behind gentle undulating movement. Another boat crosses the water, leaving behind huge waves. A person can compare what they've seen and know the difference without having to have it explained to them. The differences were very obvious. Contrails and chemtrails are viewed the same way. You look, you see the difference. You can call them anything, it won't change the fact that one is innocent the other toxic and evil.
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
What you are talking about are vortexes, it has little to do with engine exhaust.
Because of these vortexes aircraft are classified in 3 cathegories: Light, medium and heavy.
Because vortexes can be very dangerous these aircraft are always separated. E.G.: between a departing heavy and medium aircraft must be at least 2 minutes.
Heavy aircraft always say heavy after their first contact with ATC.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unusmultorumm, I wasn't talking about votrexes, engine exhause or any of the other complicated things you so liberally dish out. I was talking about the mess in the sky. Chemtrails, to be exact. Contrails do not mess up the sky, where as chemicals and fibers most certainly do. Since you didn't grasp the "pond" comparison, try getting the gist this way. One of my kids is a tidy eater = no mess. Call her Contrail. Another is a sloppy piggie. Call her Chemtrail.
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
Thanks for clearing up.
In this case I think you can compare contrails with trees. On a sunny place they will grow very large, however if the conditions are less favorable (shadow, sandy ground) the tree will remain small.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unusmulwhatever, what's with you being sarcastic to the lady? she was only trying to explain her view point. one posting you come across like a government spook, and the next it's like you are an adolescent punk.
fungus37 3 years ago
That's okay, fungus37. Unusmultormm is just flexing his lip. Dealing with him is like dealing with my kids. Or like dealing with the man from IRS :O)
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
I missed the sarcastic part. Care to elaborate further?
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unusmultorumm, Why bother elaborating further, you wouldn't get it anyway.
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
unu - Chemtrails are what is causing Autism and Alzheimers. Alzheimers is related to the accumulation of aluminum on the brain and Autism is linked to a child's inability to remove heavy metals from their body. The Aluminum and barium are messing us up. Coincidentally, Autism has increased 10,000 percent in the past 10 years and Alzheimers has increased 8,000 percent in the same time frame. They started spraying heavily, roughly 10 years ago. BINGO.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
This data comes directly from the site of Carnicom:
Aluminum: found:<0.100 MDL:0.100 EDA:0.200
I see nothing special on this reading...
Furthermore aluminum is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust. Everyone is exposed to low levels of aluminum from food, air, water, and soil.
If you really want to do something about this you need to ban fireworks and cans, those are full of aluminum.
No more happy 4th of july!
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
like larzabeth, i am sorry about your dog and pony. count yourself lucky that you wern't outside when that crop duster went over.
fungus37 3 years ago
Chemtrails in miniature. True story. One morning just before dawn a cropduster flew over our subdivision. While he was spraying a nearby cotton field, he also sprayed a path across homes and of course yards. Just on my property alone two trees were sprayed an later died. My pony lost sight in one eye, and one of my registered dogs was blinded in both eyes. A small cropduster can do this damage, so speculate what just one chemtrail spraying plane can do.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
Yes sillyfurby, there is nothing that is new about chemtrails. Only now they are being sprayed by jets and they are being sprayed for a different reason. I do not understand how people can not believe in them. They are real and they are being sprayed around the globe.
I am so sorry what happened to your animals. :(
Larzabeth 3 years ago
Okay, I went to Google and researched Portugal for chemtrails. You are right, Sillyfurby. that country has lots of chemtrails. Why do you, unusmultorumm say things that can be so easily disproved?
hillbillylily 3 years ago
Because I lived there, and yes Portugal does have a cold front once in a while.
But 10 out of 9 days are sunny and without clouds.
How do you conclude these are chemtrails?
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
So you are under the impression that clouds form in weird patterns? They are chemtrails. You would be smart to research.
hillbillylily 3 years ago
I am saying these are natural clouds, I am saying these are contrails.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu - how about checking with your boss and suggesting that he give you a new script. The one you're using is getting old. Of course since you don't know how to depress the CAPS key on your keyboard, you're pretty much in the dark about a lot of things.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
unu how do you get 10 out of 9? And have you viewed that video yet? I am assuming you have and you don't know how to reply to it.
thistleskies 3 years ago
unu - Question. How do you get 10 out of 9? Is that some sort of brand new math?
sillyfurby 3 years ago
It has been a long day, I am human and capable of making typo's.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Well perhaps you should get some sleep and view that video when you aren't so tired.
thistleskies 3 years ago
unu - A typo is hitting the wrong key. You reversed the numbers. There is a difference in that error just as there is in you insisting contrails are chemtrails.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
And you should realize that English is not my mother tongue. I reverted back to Dutch and misplaced it in English.
Please come with real arguments instead of bashing a simple typo.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu - I just Googled chemtrails over Portugal. Guess what, there were satellite pictures of chemtrails crisscrossing over the entire country. You lived there a year, and never saw them? HEY, EVERYONE, GOOGLE AND SEE CHEMTRAILS OVER PORTUGAL THEY ARE THERE AS PLAIN AS DAY! Care to explain yourself, unu?
sillyfurby 3 years ago
I wish I was cool enough to write in caps...
But to the point. You found a picture of Iberia in clouds, congratulations. You will see it about once a month in Portugal.
Would you care to explain how do you conclude these are chemtrails?
And while youre at it, can you explain why most of the spraying is done over the ocean?
Note: Rense known for jumping on conclusions. This is clearly shown in his article on the chemtrail aircraft.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Oh, unuuuu did you watch the video I sent you?
thistleskies 3 years ago
It is quite a long series, it might take a while before I have analized them. I am not a person to write anything before checking it.
A few notes on Carnicom:
- He refused to speak with the meteo department because anyone not believing in chemtrails is part of the conspiracy.
- He interpreted MPL as a reading in his tests...
Not a clever man.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
You just have to watch the last few seconds of the video to see the plane with spray coming out of the tail.
thistleskies 3 years ago
On the aircraft: Look closely and you will see that the trail starts in front of the horizontal stabilizer, not at the stabilizer.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
I have looked closely, very closely. In fact I took several still shots of it and enlarged them. The trails come from the tail of the plane, not the engines. I knew this was going to be your argument because that is the only thing you could say to defend your insistence that there are no chemtrails. However, there are chemtrails and that picture proves it.
thistleskies 3 years ago
Here is a screenshot:
img384[dot]imageshack[dot]us/img384/2152/767bzi9.png
I drew a blue line just in front of the horizontal stabilizer. You will see that the condensation starts just ahead.
And even if the condensation starts at the stabilizer, is that proof of chemtrails?
airliners[dot]net/photo/Air-China/Boeing-747-4J6M/0922038/L/
airliners[dot]net/photo/Malaysia-Airlines/Boeing-777-2H6-ER/0313822/L/
airliners[dot]net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-31H/0545675/L/
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Carnicom stated that contrails appear where cloud formation is impossible.
How did he conclude that? He never explained it.
Another point is his explanation on cloud formation. He didn't state the difference between clouds and contrails. Clouds are formed by water and nuclei already present.
Contrails are formed by the above AND by water and nuclei added to the air by the exhaust.
This makes the threshold for contrail formation lower than those of natural clouds.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu It said the image was not found.
The fact that chemtrails can appear where cloud formation is not found is easy to deduce when you go to the weather service stats.
That video clearly showed and explained the difference between contrails and chemtrails. That plane at the end of the video was clearly spraying something. Those were not contrails coming from it.
Just what is your agenda?
thistleskies 3 years ago
Looks like the picture was removed.
img364[dot]imageshack[dot]us/img364/8554/767bhn8[dot]png
About "impossible cloud formation"
Above I explained that contrails are formed differently than clouds, making the formation thredhold lower. Have you even read it?
Second, How do you conclude that cloud formation is impossible. The only data a meteostation has is the data gathered from weather ballons. Those are inaccurate in plase, and there are large time gaps between readings.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
The video explains nothing, it only makes statements.
Has he explained why contrails can't last long, why he thinks that cloud formation is impossible? The answer is no.
And why should the last aircraft be proof of spraying?
If you look at the shot you will see that on the left end of the stabilizer the trail starts just ahead.
And if you look at the 3 pictures above you will see that contrails can form at the stabilizer.
Why does he use such a bad camera?
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Because youtube blocks urls, I have sent you a message containing the links.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
It seems like you blocked me so I can't send you a message, nice...
Below you see 2 photo's, 1 is scaled down to youtube resolution and with some blur added.
The result: contrails that seem to come from the stabilizer.
c[dot]imagehost[dot]org/0314/777[dot]jpg
airliners[dot]net/photo/Vietnam-Airlines/Boeing-777-2Q8-ER/1033356/L/
(the first link is without the 3 w's)
So again, how is this proof of spraying?
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Sorry about that unu. I really don't even remember blocking you. I will unblock you.
thistleskies 3 years ago
I can see where he's coming from with that. You are a good example of what it's like. It's like beating my head against a wall talking to you. But at least you are nice about it. Some of you guys are really obnoxious and rude.
thistleskies 3 years ago
On the video:
- "The environmental conditions are not too different from each other" How did he conclude that? The rest of this part is based on this assumption.
And even if the conditions were the same, he didn't take into account the difference in aircraft.
The only difference between the formation contrails and normal clouds is that contrails are formed by adding water and condensation nuclei to the air. So contrails can be formed where clouds can't.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Fungus - I think you are wrong about where unu is. I think he couldn't stand the heat and got out of the proverbial kitchen.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
unusmultwhatever is researching more misinformation.
fungus37 3 years ago
Nice video. Those who dreamed up spraying chemtrails will burn in hades for all eternity. It can all stop, the spraying, if the pilots would refuse the missions. They need to repent, and fast!
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
This morning we had real cirrus clouds. So then why weren't planes leaving the big plumes behind them that chemtrail unbelievers say they do? Obviously the weather conditions should have been conducive to such because there were real cirrus clouds. Yet the planes flew past and left nothing behind them. The obvious reason was that they just weren't chemtrailing today. I guess they got Father's Day off.
mipian 3 years ago
Beecause the atmosphere isn't just a block of uniform air as you may think.
Humidity is not always constant and temperature can increase with altitude.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
I saw on another video that someone had checked chemtrails on Wikipedia. The ingredients are sickening. People have become too dependent on their leaders, who take advantage of that. We blindly believe what we are told. That needs to stop or they will kill us off with their chemtrails. It's all about power and greed.
fungus37 3 years ago
If chemtrails are a normal occurrence then why are there none over China? Wouldn't they be occurring everywhere and not just over certain countries?
mipian 3 years ago
I'm going to try and find pictures of the sky over China, mipian. It may take awhile, because I'm not all that good with a computer.
hillbillylily 3 years ago
No, Larz, some of that white stuff is just clouds being blown around by airstreams. The rest of it is contrails.
hillbillylily 3 years ago
Lily You need to look at more chemtrail videos. Then look up in the sky when I tell you it looks odd. I do not understand how you could watch this video and think it is the way the sky should look.
Larzabeth 3 years ago
I have seen this many times since I moved to America. We had it sometimes in my home country but not this much so. I am trying to learn about what it is but different people say different things. I do not know what to believe but I do not think planes can make clouds by flying past. Yet I do not know what the stuff that is sprayed is or why it is being sprayed on populations if it is bad.
Larzabeth 3 years ago
Larzabeth - The sprays are composed of chemicals that are definitely harmful. They have nothing to do with clouds.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
sillyfurby that is what I think to. My roommate says they are just clouds made by airplanes. I told her that why then did I not see so many in my homeland. We had lots of airplanes flying in the sky and not so many clouds like what I see here. I am confused and do not know what to think.
Larzabeth 3 years ago
How do you conclude that these are chemtrails.
So far you have answered none of my questions.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu - I learned in grade school what contrails are, and I'll never confess how long ago that was! Back then there weren't any chemtrails, no fake clouds. The skies were crystal blue. There is a very big difference in then and now. If contrails didn't mess up the sky then, they wouldn't mess it up now. So all the blame is on chemtrails. If you would do some basic research, you'd understand.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
First: There are countless photo's and reports of thick contrails all the way through the 20th century. They surely did exist back then.
Second: Air traffic has increased dramatically and modern engines are more likely to leave contrails than the older ones.
If you did some basic research, you would have known the points above.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu - And if you did basic research you'd have found out the difference between contrails and chemtrails. You keep saying contrails have been happening for a very long time, and I agree. It is chemtrails that started only years ago.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
There are no chemtrails, what you see are just persistent contrails.
Clouds can exist for hours, so why not contrails?
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu - There are no persistent contrails, only your persistent opinion that chemtrails do not exist. I have given a good deal of thought to this situation and have concluded that you are under threat to maintain silence in agreeing with the believers. How much are you getting paid to "try" and shoot down the truth? Are you getting as much as the pilots who joke about spray pay?
sillyfurby 3 years ago
sillyfurby if this guy is getting paid by our government to spread his written form of pollution, then I must say we the tax payers are getting ripped off. They could at least spend our money on somebody that can come up with a better argument than he has.
thistleskies 3 years ago
If my arguments are that bad it should be very easy for you to give me an answer. Why haven't you?
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
contrails are not clouds. chemtrails are artificial clouds. I was a kid in the 70's, sure you would see a contrail here and there but you looked at it because you knew it would be gone in a matter of a few minutes. If you haven't noticed, the chemtrail SPREADS. At first it is a normal looking contrail, after 15 minutes it has expanded into a wide long whispy cloud. I just told my son, that never before in history has this occured,.Why isn't it being addressed? Why no test results?Same as 9/11.
blite13 3 years ago
We are getting it all crammed down our throats and still there are fools who believe in the what government tells us and does to us. They still think the fed reserve is working for the country , LOL. Just to dumb to understand how the world really is, or maybe just to big of cowards to accept it. Be a man and face the reality, this isn't " Leave it to Beaver". Truth is the answer and the truth is the government is run by people we don't elect,we are under attack with lies and murder from within.
blite13 3 years ago
Ha! I think that unusmultorumm is too young to know "Leave it to Beaver" just as he is probably too young to know what a blue sky looks like and what "real' clouds are supposed to look like. blite I agree with everything you have said.
thistleskies 3 years ago
I think I know what clouds look like, thank you very much.
The point with you is that whenever you see something you're not used to, you think some kind of conspiracy is behind it.
If you paid attention to my comments you would have known that I see the blue, cloudless sky almost daily.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Well then perhaps that's the problem, you don't have aerosol spraying where you live. If that's the case, consider yourself lucky.
thistleskies 3 years ago
The Netherlands are well known for it's magnificent cloud formations. Contrails are a very familiar sight here.
I have lived for a year in Portugal which has a blue sky every day. No clouds and no contrails.
But that is not what I meant. Because I fly almost daily, I climb above the clouds into the blue, idigo sky. It is a nice thought that while it is raining below, you are enjoying the sun.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Yeah, the clouds look awesome from above too. Did you watch the video I sent you?
thistleskies 3 years ago
unusmult, What you mistakenly think are clouds are clouding your vision. People are saying you are young an don't know any better, when in fact you come across as an old man so set in his thinking he is oblivious to the truth.
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
muddiebabiez, I have successfully completed meteorology as part of my pilots training. I think I know what clouds look like.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unusmult, up until I started reading your posts, I believed chemtrails were contrails, and that they were harmless. You have convinced me that I have been wrong. So I've been researching like crazy and have no doubts about how bad the toxic chemtrails are.
hillbillylily 3 years ago
unu where did you go?
thistleskies 3 years ago
blite13,
1) Air traffic has increased dramatically last decade and modern engines are more likely to leave contrails that old ones. Of course there are more contrails than in the 70's
2) Even in the past, contrails where known for the ability to spread and last for multiple hours.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
At 22, you, are telling someone who was a teenager in the 70's how it was in the past...LOL. Look you attention seeking moron, I KNOW what they looked like and how they acted in the past and NEVER did they last for hours. Pulling that statement out of your ass just shows you are full of CRAP. Never in history has a contrail spread into clouds,NEVER. So whatever you pull out of your ass will NEVER change that fact. The fact that the government doesn't address it and explain it tells it all.
blite13 3 years ago
There are a lot of pictures from the 70's showing thick horizon to horizon contrails.
Memories fade, photo's stay forever.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Ahhhhh,post'em. Your brain is fading at an early age.
blite13 3 years ago
I have sent you a PM containing some photo's.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Yes and none of your photos prove anything, there are no dates on the pics, there are no time lapse showing what happens to the trails. Like I said, trails back in the day were there, but the trails we see today are so different in that the SPREAD OUT INTO CLOUDS. Can you understand that? The trails you sent were probably from airshows and with YOU dating them....you a funny guy.
blite13 3 years ago
Somehow I expected this kind of comment from you. You asked pictures, I gave them.
Now, let me tell you the source of them and you figure the rest out.
1) Taken by William Anderson over Emden
2) Source already given
3) Plate 113 from "A Colour Guide to Clouds"
4) From the book "Clouds of the World"
5) Plate 174 from "A Field guide to the Atmosphere"
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
I just sent you a PM filled with pictures and articled on spreading contrails.
Here is an exerpt from 1970: The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent contrails exist from 25,000 to 40,000 ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Unusmult, Nobody can answer your questions. That's all you do, ask questions. Sooooo uncool. I've read what you post to people on other videos. You question, but then don't accept what they say. So why bother asking?
hillbillylily 3 years ago
hillbillylily,
Sorry, but nobody answered my main question.
And if you can't answe why contrails can't last long, then your whole theory is just a wild uneducated guess.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
everyone answers your questions, hot shot unusmultorumm, it's just that you ignore them and keep asking the same questions over and over. as my grandmother would say, you sound like a broken record.
fungus37 3 years ago
If the answer is already given it shouldn't be difficult for you to copy and paste it.
I checked the comments again and haven't found the answers you are talking about.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu you never will find the answers because you just don't want to see them.
thistleskies 3 years ago
That is quite a bold statement of you: a person without sufficient knowledge of the atmosphere.
Again, If the answer is already given, why won't you copy-paste it here. It should be less work that writing these comments.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Well you are young and probably just don't know any better. It's not meant to be an insult. I think your knowledge is lacking when it comes to the atmosphere also. I'm going to try to PM you a video. Watch it clear through. Notice at the end it shows some planes that have the sprayers in the tail. Now I might not know all there is to know about planes but I'm pretty sure they don't have engines mounted to the tails in this fashion. lol
thistleskies 3 years ago
Heavy chemtrail spraying started about ten years ago, so people in their teens or 20's wont even know what a normal clear blue sky should look like. The sky now,is faded blue and white, it is very sad. Clifford Carnicom and Gwen Scott have helpful info on chemtrails.
bulitboy 3 years ago
bulitboy Well I am young like that too but I no that it is not like this in my birth country. We have lots of airplanes and sometimes I do see some chemtrails but not so much as here in America. So I guess I am lucky that I know what a blue sky looks like. They say where I live now that people would talk about the beautiful blue sky over the desert. But no more. I will look at the Clifford Carnicom and Gwen Scott websites. Thank you.
Larzabeth 3 years ago
I think most teens and 20 year olds could care less about chemtrails.
bulitboy 3 years ago
I agree bulitboy. In fact, I do not think most people of any age could care less about chemtrails or the Iraq war, or the corruption of the bush regime. The only time most see to care is when it affects them directly.
Larzabeth 3 years ago
thank you for sharing this important information on a ongoing threat.
ru2alaughjunkie 3 years ago
I do believe there are planes without nozzels to spray chemicals, fibers and germs. I also believe the opposite. Anyone can cherry pick their photographs. There are no restrictions to take photos of "clean" planes, while anyone caught snapping off shots of chemtrail planes is in a world of trouble. Therefore, the lack of ample evidence.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
Teachers teach what they are taught. Years pass and students of course learn from their teachers. It happened to me, I learned. I learned about contrails evaporating leaving a clear blue sky. Times have changed. Chemtrails began. Now the sky is more often than not, a royal mess.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
Back in the good ole days when I was in grade school, then high school, the students were taught that airplanes could leave "contrails" that remained a constant length. There had never been anything said about "created clouds". NEVER! There had never been anything said about "chemtrails" because there weren't any. No criss cross patterns that spread to eventually blot out the blue. Were all of the teachers wrong?
sillyfurby 3 years ago
hey unuwhatever, have you said why you think some of the trails disappear and others don't? if they are all contrails, then they should all react the same when they are all visible in the sky at the same time. don't give me the bull that the payloads are different. that doesn't wash.
fungus37 3 years ago
Basically it depends on the propeties of the air the aircraft is flying in and on the engines of the aircraft.
Modern engines are more efficient and will uexhaust more water. They will more likely leave a contrail than an old aircraft.
This document describes a test where a 707 and a 340 were flying next to each other. The 340 left a contrail while the 707 didn't.
"The effects of aviation contrails on global climate"
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
On cloud formation:
Basically cloud formation depends on 2 factors:
The Temperature (T) and Dewpoint temperature (Td).
Td is the temperature to which a certain airmass must be cooled untill it is saturated.
This Td depends on the relative humidity (RH)which is basically the percentage of water vapour in the air needed to get saturation.
The RH depends on the amount of water vapour and the amount of nuclei in the air.
Water uses nuclei to condense upon, these can be anything from ash to dust.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
To saturate an airmass and create clouds (contrails) you can do 2 things:
- Lower T to Td
- Raise the Td to T
Aircraft exhaust both water and nuclei, this will make the Td rise and when Td reaches T a contrail will form.
If Td does not reach T the sky will remain clear.
If Td just reaches T a small contrail will form.
If the Td of an airmass is already very close to T the added water and nuclei can saturate a much larger area, creating a thick, longlasting contrail.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
In some cases the Td is so close to T that an aircraft's exhaust can set off a chain reaction that can cover the whole sky in cirrus.
Clouds are in fact airmasses where the Td has reached T, while the blue sky is an airmass where Td is lower than T.
/watch?v=ZzK8BNls8GI
In this vid at 1:37, you can see that the right jet loses its contrail for a moment when it flies into air with different properties.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
"Chemtrails" are mentioned in House Bill HR 2977,[11] the Space Preservation Act of 2001, introduced by Congressman Dennis Kucinich, where it appears as one of a list of "exotic weapons system[s]" to be banned under the bill. Proponents of the theory point to this as official acknowledgment of the possibility, at least, of such weapons systems. The entire list of exotic weapons was omitted from later versions of the bill.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
unu is a one trick pony. He ignores scientific proof. He ignores eye witness accounts. He ignores those, including the US Air Force & the German government, who have admitted to spraying. He just goes on about the upper troposphere and cloud formation. He doesn't seem to realize that many of the spray planes fly when the conditions for cloud formation are impossible.
thistleskies 3 years ago
What scientific proof? Do you mean groundmonsters?
What eye witness accounts? Those of who dont know a thing of aviation and meteo?
The video about the german airforce is misleading. The subtitles do not match the spoken text (yes, I do speak German).
What makes you think cloud formation is impossible in some conditions, please explain.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu these points have been gone over ad nauseam with you. Chemtrail ingredients have been scientifically analyzed and toxins have been found in them. What don't you get?
You are trying to tell me that you don't know certain atmospheric conditions are imperative to cloud formation? I'm beginning to think that bible thumper is correct and you are in fact a bored housewife. And a not too smart one at that. You haven't proven a damn thing.
thistleskies 3 years ago
You must know that the video, which was translated correctly, is not the only German source which admits to chemtrails. You must know of Monika Griefahn who was chairman of the Committee for Culture and Media of the Federal German Parliament. In 2004 she stated, "Instead of making a concerted and determined effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions throughout the world, experiments of various kinds are being carried out in the earth's atmosphere in order to cure the symptoms."
thistleskies 3 years ago
Griefahn went on to say, "I share your concern over the use of aluminium or barium compounds which have a considerable toxic potential".
thistleskies 3 years ago
On the German video:
1) at 0:22, Fighter pilots influence the weathercharts - not manipulating the climate
2) chemical trails are not mentioned by Brandt, and also not in the quote.
3) at 2:00, There is no mention of suspicious aircraft, but of a military exercise.
The correct translation of the last line is: "The German army warns the meteo station for misleading weathercharts due to the exercises."
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
4) The translation at 2:10 is a complete mismatch. The person is explaining how the clouds will move over Germany with the south-west wind.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
If you speak German you would know the subtitles are not correct.
At 2:00 the subtitles do not even remotely match the spoken text.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
So again:
How can you relate samples taken on the ground to contrails on FL300 and higher?
And the samples that are analized show no exessive concentrations of chemicals.
Of course there are limits to cloud formation, the point is that you said you can see when it is impossible or not (even for the meteodepartment the prediction of contrails is a wild guess).
So as a reply I asked an explanation for this bold statement.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu your interpretation is just that, your interpretation. You put your own slant on everything you say, not just your German translation. You have a right to your own opinions but not your own facts. You didn't even address what Monika Griefahn had to say.
thistleskies 3 years ago
I see you have your one man fan club. Perhaps you keep arguing to impress him? You admit the technology to spray is there, so why don't you think it's already being done?
thistleskies 3 years ago
thistleskies unuwhatever won't admit to being wrong. it's an ego thing.
fungus37 3 years ago
Yeah, his ego must be very fragile.
thistleskies 3 years ago
Right, when you can't give answers you are discussing irrelevant things?
Please grow up.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Sorry to say so but i am getting quite sick of you asking question over question while never answering one of me.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I have backed up things I have said with sources. You keep asking me the same thing over & over. You have nothing to back up what you say. It's strictly your twisted opinion. You have not answered my question as to why you think they aren't spraying. You didn't even comment on Monika Griefahn. You can't because you don't have any way to twist the facts.
thistleskies 3 years ago
You do the same thing to everybody else on here. No wonder you were blocked on from commenting on other videos. I'm done with you too.
thistleskies 3 years ago
Maybe I keep asking because I never get an answer.
And yes, I do have facts to back up my statements, what makes you think I haven't?
About Monika Griefahn, I haven't looked at it yet, I do have other things to do you know.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Please look at my comments,
Below I explained fungus37 the basics of cloudformation.
Above I provided a database with loads of great contrail photo's, movies showing exhaust from the engines and a document of an extensive research on the subject.
While you keep talking about research without even posting a link.
The misleading subtitles on the German video tells me that the "Chemtrail Comunity" is deliberately misleading people into believing in chemtrails.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Ok, I have read her original German letter.
Some remarks on this:
- She is a chairmen in Culture and Media. Environment is not her department, although she did work for greenpeace.
- In het letter she basically writes about her concern on the subject.
The main misunderstanding about this letter is that she does not admit chemtrails, no she asks about them, she places her concern.
I answered your question on why to mipian somewhere in these comments.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
So you think I'm a Bible thumper? Well, I guess I sort of am. I went and checked on that project cloverleaf. Things like that sure spoil a person's trust in their government. And yes, I think the government is involved, it isn't only outside sources. Maybe if we all ban together and thump a few morons with Bibles, it'll make a difference :O)
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
I've just finished reading a most interesting article that I found by Googling Project Cloverleaf. This one is about playing God with chemtrails. Doubters might want to check it out.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
silly have you ever heard of the Hopi 'Day of Purification'? Many think chemtrails are a sign that it is near. It's odd that both the Christian Bible and the Hopi culture have similar beliefs when it comes to chemtrails.
thistleskies 3 years ago
Unusmult, you sound like a bored housewife to me.
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
And what exactly are you planning to achieve with that comment?
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unusmultorumm - Ha! At least muddie didn't suggest that you would do better with your time by reading the Bible. I've seen her postings on other videos. No doubt about it, she's a Bible thumper :O)
sillyfurby 3 years ago
That's kinda rude of you silly to criticize somebody for her religious beliefs. BTW did you know the Bible speaks of chemtrails? I'm not a Bible thumper by any means but Bible codes do say that chemtrails are ordered by the Oval Office and paid for by the Navy. Spraying is a "cleansing" aerial assault against humans. It says they contaminate the air, water, & food. The government project is called Cloverleaf.
There is much more if you want to know.
thistleskies 3 years ago
unusmult, not everything that is said has to achieve anything. Haven't you ever heard of personal opinions?
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
muddie just ignore him. He's nothing but a drama queen.
thistleskies 3 years ago
thistelskies, shouldn't that be "she's"?
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
He? She? What's the difference. Drama is drama. I think he knows deep down inside that there really are chemtrails. But since he is the "big pilot" he can't admit to being wrong. He seems kinda cocky, although I don't know why he would be.
thistleskies 3 years ago
thistleskies, a lot of the non believers of chemtrails staunchly refuse to accept what they see going on in the sky above them. It's like they think by denial, truth will cease to exist.
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
So now you shift the whole argument to a point where you say "He just doesn't see what's going on" That's not an argument...
Again, what makes you think you have the knowledge to be able to say what contrails can do and what they cant do?
Pardon me, but I think it is kind of cocky to claim this without basic knowledge of the upper troposphere and cloud formation.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu - It's not an argument that you don't see what is going on, it is the truth. You keep mixing up contrails and chemtrails. You evidently don't know the difference. You insist that sprayed crap is clouds. I don't have to know the details about clouds to recognize spray coming from the nozzles of planes.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
First: There are no chemtrails, so I do not mix them up.
Second: Can you give me a photo of an aircraft that is "spraying" from nozzles instead of the engines?
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unusmult, how would you expect someone to take a picture of a plane that is merely a speck in the sky? Have you got any idea how expensive of a camera it would take? Why don't you take a picture of a plane spraying to prove there AREN'T any nozzles? Your idea of photographing, so YOU do it!
muddiebabiez 3 years ago
muddiebabiez - Maybe unu wants the photographer to use a ladder LOL
sillyfurby 3 years ago
Actually, silly, this is more like what would be needed to photograph it; "It would be best to photograph these aircraft with a fast 5.6 refractor telescope, fitted with special
UV and polarizing filters, tracking would be difficult at first, but much could be done to clear up
the photographs, and the details then would show more clearly." from Contrails/Chemtrails website.
thistleskies 3 years ago
thistleskies - Wow, that sounds like the perfect way to get pictures of those chemtrail planes. Perhaps unu should fork over for the expense, since it was his request.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
Works for me.
thistleskies 3 years ago
Just search airliners-dot-net on air to air photo's (most popular).
This movie has some great contrail footage from 4:25 and on:
/watch?v=ATAMJgRhTNc
/watch?v=ch2stiPHFdA (1:39 and on)
And 2 P-51's leaving contrails:
/watch?v=TFYzHfjTGtk
You don't need expensive equipment to correctly photograph an aircraft in flight. The reason all the conspiracy photo's are hazy is to hide the fact that there is nothing special.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
Here is a nice picture taken with a 600 mm lens:
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I included a schreenshot from the radar where you can see that both aircraft are not flying at the same altitude, but 2000 feet apart.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
There are nozzles on a wing, but they are used for fueldumping.
Look at my comment a few post later.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unusmultorumm is not here tonight. Sure hope he didn't get sick from flying in chemtrails. He had said he flew in them regularly.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
sillyfurby. i don't think you have to be concerned about unu getting sick. doesn't seem to me that he is anykind of a real pilot. unless of course he flies one of those rockets outside of supermarkets.
fungus37 3 years ago
Sounds like a typical reaction caused by frustration.
May I ask you on what you base the claim that I'm not a pilot?
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
gladly, unu. you have said you fly among the chemtrails and don't see anything wrong with them. that means you are wearing blinders. just the pilot someone would want to fly with, right? So, "if" you are a pilot, is that how you make a living? or is it just for fun? either way, you'd be wise to remove those blinders. do the world a favor, if you are a pilot, and look for evidence of contamination. you'd be a hero.
fungus37 3 years ago
And as a reply I ask you again:
What makes you think that you have the meteorological knowledge to tell the exact process of cloud formation?
The only thing you see are long lasting contrails and you assume they are filled with chemicals.
No proof, no indication, just an assumption.
Ask any airline pilot.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unusmultorumm - I have asked an airline pilot, and a corporate jet pilot, both of which are relatives of mine. Not only do they strongly feel that chemtrails are not innocent, but their flying buddies also agree. They are up all the time, and see trails all the time. They disagree with you in calling chemtrails, contrails. You'd do well to review your opinion.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
sillyfurby I don't think any of these guys who debunk chemtrails have ever heard of The U.S. Department of Energy's Tropospheric Aerosol Program (TAP).
mipian 3 years ago
Just like you question me, I highly question your comment.
Suddenly everyone seems to have an airline pilot in the family...
You have 2, mipian has 3....
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unusmultorumm - It isn't "suddenly" that there are pilots in my family. They've been flying since before you were born. One of them is the reason I realized chemtrails existed. You just don't like the idea that pilots have recognized the trails for what they really are.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
I would like to add to what you said sillyfurby. Please take no offense to what I'm saying because none is intended. But there are tons of pilots. I have known commercial pilots that say flying a jet is just like driving a bus except you do it in the sky. They both carry people from one place to another. There is nothing spectacular about that profession anymore. 40 years ago it was a prestigious thing to do. Nowadays, it's very commonplace. I don't know why that unu guy is suspicious.
thistleskies 3 years ago
thistleskies - Perhaps unu is trying to use sidetracking as a means of avoiding the nitty-gritty of these postings. We are supposed to be discussing chemtrails, not relatives of those posting.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
Ooops! If that's what he's doing then I guess it worked on me. Sorry. :( I will try to stay on topic. Do chemtrails exist? Hell, yeah they do. I have seen that oily mess in the sky they create. I often get a sore throat when they are spraying too. It's not in my head because usually I have the sore throat then I look up to confirm my prediction that they have been at it again. Just like monkeys tearing apart a cupcake the way they go at it. Nasty!
thistleskies 3 years ago
thistleskies - I don't know if you have an outside dog, but on the days of heavy spraying, my dog's eyes water excessively.
sillyfurby 3 years ago
sillyfurby I have two dogs. I have not noticed their eyes doing that. However, when I notice the aerosol spraying going on, I do try to keep them in as much as possible. I figure if it's bad for people it must be bad for animals too. I'm not surprised your dogs eyes water during a spray day.
thistleskies 3 years ago
And have you ever realized that contrails in the sky can be an early indication of the weather changing?
How do you relate a sore throath to clouds 30.000 feet up and higher that give no rain?
unusmultorumm 3 years ago
unu I realize the sore throat thing wasn't addressed to me but I would like to add my 2 cents on it. You seem to be under the impression that the only way something can get from the sky to the ground is if it is rained down. That's just plain silly. No logic there at all. The metals and other things that have been found in chemtrails are going to come down whether there is rain or not. We have high pollution advisories where I live and very often they coincide with heavy spray days.
mipian 3 years ago
Of course a part of the contents of a contrail will reach the surface within 1 or 2 days. But even then you still have some other problems:
- Only a part will reach the groud in a relative short time and this part can be spread over hundreds of square miles. This will result in a very low concentration.
- The contents of the trail can be blown over 2000 miles. They will never reach the ground below the contrail.
In Holland we regulary have sand from the Sahara blown over by the wind.
unusmultorumm 3 years ago