Anyone visiting this site who wants the truth about the doctrines of trinity and immortality of the soul should yahoo search "origin of the trinity" and click "from paganism to Constantine" and yahoo search "origin of immortality of the soul" and click "immortal soul". History and archaeology do not lie. These are well known and highly respected historians who have done the research here. Be prepared for finding the background of what's being taught on this video. It's a huge shock!!!!!
so God cannot be as the Father talking, the Son being baptized and the Holy Spirit descending as a dove? 1:40 . I dont know what kind of God you got that cant do those things... i guess your god is not Almighty and his omnipresence does not function properly... the Trinity is pagan, its just an idea taken from the other religions to try to explain the nature of God.
Would it be heresy to suggest that God is one person who manifests as Father, Son and Holy Spirit (co-existing, co-eternal, NOT one-at-a-time in succession), but these three effectively behaving as distinct persons?
@ScalarPhotonZ Yes that would be a heresy, because that is a contradiction. The Bible is clear that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Son. How ever these three divine persons are still one God, who share the same divine nature, and same divine will. They never act separately.
@magnus56j Do you think it would ever be appropriate to refer to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit together as "He" (i.e. singular pronoun)? For example, "He [God] is Triune - Father, Son and Holy Spirit".
@ScalarPhotonZ Good question. In itself the Godhead possesses neither maleness nor femininity. Although our human sexual characteristics as male and female reflect, at their highest and truest, an aspect of the divine life, yet there is in God no such thing as sexuality. When, therefore, we speak of God as Father, we are speaking not literally but in symbols. You can call God "He," just remember not to think of God as one person. God is One, and exists in three equal divine persons.
I am very familiar with, and do believe, the basic notion of the Trinity - One God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And I am familiar with their basic positions, characteristics and roles within the Godhead. However, I am aware that there are varying beliefs among Christians about the "extent of their oneness" and "extent of their threeness".
@magnus56j While I recognise that it's right to have these sorts of discussions, and recognise the centrality of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I do believe however that it is not exclusively those believers who have a perfect understanding of the Trinity, who are genuine Christians, and so such discussions should never be a cause of division in the Church.
@ScalarPhotonZ No one can have a perfect understanding of the Trinity, because the Trinity is a mystery. God is Mystery. If God wasn't Mystery, He wouldn't be God. We can't understand how God is infinite and has no beginning or end. There are however a lot of people that reject the Trinity because they have a misunderstanding the doctine. Many Mormons, for instance, think the Trinity is saying God is one person, yet somehow also three persons. But this is not a teaching of the Trinity.
@magnus56j really? If God is truly a mystery and man cannot comprehend God's being then how is it that creedal trinitarians such as Driscoll seem to have worked out God's character with such definitives as to discern who is and who isn't "Christian" by the framework they place on God?
@itsalltheory Driscoll is just giving a more explicit definition of the Trinity. The Trinity can be defined and explained, since the doctrine is revealed to us through the Word of God. Part of the doctrine of the Trinity is that God exists in three persons, but is one God, because Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in essence, who are co-equal, co-eternal, have one will, not three, one energy, not three. The fact that they are one in essense is a mystery. No one can perfectly comprehend that.
@magnus56j I'm not entirely disagreeing with your premise, as a matter of fact, much is consistent with my own belief. Nonetheless, I'm of the opinion that where different theories of God converge - their dissimilarities should not precipitate intolerance and inflammatory accusations of heresy; as they do in the above video sequence.
Thats not true about mormonism!, Jesus was always God read the intro to book of mormon "Jesus the ETERNAL GOD!" and the Devil didnt lie he gave a half truth we all can become like GOD, but he did lie and say That EVE wouldnt die!
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Gen 3:22
If there are no other gods, then why would we be warned of them so often in the bible? It's obvious that God believed in other gods or else he would have nothing to be jealous of, right? lol Ex 15:11 De 5:7 6:5,14 Jos 24:18-24 2Ki 17:29-35 Ps 29:2 73:25 81:9 Isa 26:4 43:10 44:8 45:21,22 46:9 Jer 25:6 35:15 Mt 4:10 1Co 8:4,6 Eph 5:5 Php 3:19 Col 2:18 1Jo 5:20,21 Re 19:10 22:9
@1Shawndra - Our Heavenly FAther is not the ONLY God, but is the only TRUE God that we must know and also His SON whom He has SENT! :) John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Sock, there isn't evidence that The Trinity is derived from Roman paganism since there is no identical concept, also it existed in early Christianity if you are familiar with Polycarp, Justin, Ignatius etc. The same with Hell. Both Arianism and Universalism were condemned as heresies because the spirit of God wasn't with those subscribers who taught these doctrines.
I used to respect Mark, but although he seems to seek truth in some areas, he has major issues with learning and accepting the roman-pagan doctrines of the trinity and eternal hell, even though early scriptures stated the opposite. :o/
I dont know why you people still argue about trinity ! every muslim belives that Jesus was a prophet send by God (the father) to teach people what Moses taught and all the prophets before him ! Jesus said : i dint come to destroy the law of Moses but to fulfill , there was always only one true religion which is to believe in one God and no one else exept him and to believe that all the prophets were the messengers of God from Adam to Muhammed , that religion is islam (monotheism)
@baskuk Why do Islamic people not FOLLOW the teachings of the Prophet Jesus?? Jesus IS GOD that became a man, The ONLY Begotten Son of God. ALLAH HAD NO SON, and does not exhibit Mercy & Grace. If a male Islamic marytr gets 70 virgins, What does the Female maytrs get?????
i think it's best if we all understand that we CAN'T understand the trinity, why? because the Trinity is God and our finite minds can't understand his complexities. The only thing that is even a close resemblance of the Trinity on this earth, at least in my opinion, is the three parts of a man: heart, soul, and flesh (Deut. 6:5). It's nearly blasphemous to try to compare this to God however because He is obviously infinitely more complex than we are.
@ 1:47 Mark CANNOT play three roles @ the same time i guess God is impotent and can't such a thing...also it seems that Mark must have ripped out John 14:9, Is. 9:6, 43:10, Col 1:15 & 2:8,9 as well from his bible or he has a watered down version.
This is He that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are Three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these Three are One. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:6-8
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God…. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:1-2, 14
If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:15-17
Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 14:8-10
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice He judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on His head are many crowns. He has a name written on Him that no one knows but He Himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is the Word of God. Revelation 19:12-13
This is He that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are Three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these Three are One. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:6-8
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.... The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-2, 14
And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent. I have glorified You down here on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do. And now, Father, glorify Me along with Yourself and restore Me to such majesty and honor in Your presence as I had with You before the world existed. Jn 17:3-5
@markpaghi Have you ever READ a standard college textbook on logic? Ask me you question again when you have. By then you will have discovered that the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is NOT illogical. You unitarian concept of God (I do NOT mean a denomination) does NOT hold up to biblical scrutiny either.
@Blogrich55 The trinity is ILLOGICAL. If There is Only One president, there is not three people who are the president, only One. If there is Only ONE GOD, there is not Three people who are GOD, only One - The Father - John 17:3.
@markpaghi Ahhh, notice how the heretic starts his argument with an illustration drawn from MAN. God is NOT a man so PLEASE don't compare Him to the president. There is ONLY one one God. John 17:3 cf Deut 6:4 Do you even KNOW the doctrine of the Holy Trinity?
One God (Being) who exists in 3 PERSONS not people. God is NOT a man unless you are a Mormon. LOL
All 3 persons of the Holy Trinity either collectively OR individually can be referred to as the the Only True God, YHWH, LORD, Yahweh, etc..
@Blogrich55 You just said GOD IS a man, then you said He is NOT a man. Nonetheless, this is not comparing GOD to man, this is using simple logic that GOD gave us. There is Only One God, Just like there is only one president. Only one being is GOD, only one being is president. John 17:3 - The Father is the Only True GOD, just like Obama is the Only True President. Simple Logic - Mark 10:15. Since when is Persons not People? That is the same exact word. People is more then one Person.
@markpaghi says to Blogrich55, "You just said GOD IS a man, then you said He is NOT a man."
LOL only to YOU pal XD I said God exists in 3 PERSONS not PEOPLE. Like most cultists, Apostolics for example, the word "persons" means "people." Read your dictionary more carefully. Most will mention the use of the word persons as it relates to the doctrine of the Trinity.
NO ONE has denied there is only ONE GOD. But you cannot help using your useless arguments as you don't understand basic logic!
@Blogrich55 I am aware of what the UNHOLY trinity teaches. A Pagan triune god - three gods, polytheism, not montheism - you can claim monotheism all day but it is still polytheism - you can evade logic, reason, scripture, etc. But in the end it is still a false god. Yeshua said the Only True GOD is the Father, therefore I believe Yeshua over you and the entire christian church. You follow an incarnate pagan god named jesus christ, i follow Yeshua Ha Mashiach and his Elohim Yehovah.
@markpaghi says, "I am aware of what the UNHOLY trinity teaches. A Pagan triune god - three gods, polytheism, not montheism" ROFLOL
I guess a straw man argument is the ONLY way you can "win" huh? I am working on a video on John 17:3 based on the logical fallacies used by cultists. Here is a preview:
If Jesus were the Father He would be the only true God. Jesus is NOT the Father. Therefore, He is NOT the only true God.
This is the fallacy of denying the antecedent. It is used by Arians.
@Blogrich55 1 John 5:7 (King James Version) 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
@USNavyman09 You are probably a King Jame Onliest. This text is not in the best manuscripts and is rarely used by defenders of the Holy Trinity such as myself. God bless you.
@Blogrich55 No,..Not a Kjv Onlyist,... Just a Historian,..Heres a detail of that verse
200 AD Tertullian quoted the verse in his Apology, Against Praxeas
250 AD Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, "And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: "And the three are One" in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (see note for Old Latin)
@Blogrich55 Explain GOD without using words that arent found in the bible. Do not use trinity, triune, god the son, god the holy spirit, co equal, co eternal, three persons one god, hypostatic union, fully man, fully god, etc. Any words that are not in the bible do not use them to explain GOD. You could use Yeshua's example in John 15:1-5. Father > Yeshua > Us. Or you could use Pauls example in 1 Cor 11:3 - GOD > Yeshua > Man > Woman. Or you could use Deut 18:18-19, Isaiah 42,61, Psalm 110, etc.
@markpaghi says, "Explain GOD without using words that arent found in the bible. Do not use trinity, triune, god the son, god the holy spirit, co equal, co eternal, three persons one god, hypostatic union, fully man, fully god, etc. Any words that are not in the bible do not use them to explain GOD."
All disciplines have their own technical vocabulary whether philosophy, theology, psychology, or science. I don't know IF you believe in the rapture or not but THAT is a word not in the Bible.
@markpaghi Say there is one "board" of a company, but made of more than one member,..Or how Water is one element but exists in three different forms...
It is hard to agree with someone who says The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 persons of God when the Bible says God is a person. Doesn't seem to be plural
Job 13:8-10
Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye [so] mock him? He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
"The Holy Spirit is a description of the invisible power of God, not a third separate entity." Paul in his epistles does not include the Spirit of God in his greetings to the churches but only uses God the Father and Jesus Christ.
There are many words personified in the Bible like wisdom, blood, water, wind, etc. does that make the word a person? No it does not. There is not a clear verse that shows the Spirit of God is a person. Instead it is only what people make them to be, a conclusion.
What I don't like the most is that certain christians(individuals,groups,churches) use the Trinity Doctrine as a litmus test to being a true christian. This doctrine whether true or not is not essential to your salvation. The Grace of God and the sacrifies of our Lord Jesus Christ is what saves us and reconcile us to God.
Interesting that if you look into anywhere in the Bible that depects a vision of God or Jesus in Heaven the are ALLWAYS shown as 2 individuals. and no where is seen the Holy spirit only the distinct two (.No 3 in 1 visions anywhere ), isn't that interesting!
Also the father sends or dispatches the Son and The Holy Spirit but nowhere is The father ever dispatched by anyone. People are filled with or given holy spirit. No one is given or filled with the Father or the Son.
1 John 5:6-8 (King James Version) 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
John 1:14 (King James Version) 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Amen Brother,Father Son and Holy Spirit 3 persons in 1 Godhead,all 3 always existing all 3 were never created but They Were The Creator of All Things that exist in Heaven and on Earth,and together as a Family all 3 seperate and destinct persons acting together in Unity on Earth and in Heaven,The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit in Perfect Harmony and Perfect Unity,The Father Commands The Son Acts and The Holy Spirit does The Works......Amen!
Why don't you Jesus Only heretics get some new material? Don't you tire of using the genetic fallacy and calling us Catholic for believing in the Holy Trinity?
So, I guess if the Bible was to read as it does in your Apostolic International New Testament (A.I.N.T.) Matthew 3:17 should have the Father say from heaven at Christ's baptism:
"I Am my beloved Son and frankly I'm pretty pleased with myself."
If Jesus is both the Father and the Son He would be His own Father.Repent!
@markpaghi Why don't you specify which bizarre cultic group you are with so I can rebuke you? LOL Your question is illogical. It is the fallacy of the complex question. You assume in your question that I have a false doctrine. This is the very point you need to prove.
@Blogrich55 You dont follow the bible you follow the pagans of Acts 14:11. The trinity is pure paganism found in every mystery babylon religiong across the globe - three in one gods. All you do is argue and call people names - you must enjoy quarreling. There is a difference between rebuking and quarreling. I am assuming you reject the teachings of the roman catholic church - You will say, but many of your doctrines came from the catholic church - which is full of paganism and gnosticism.
@markpaghi Sorry but YOU do not know what you are talking about. The ancient triads of gods in Egypt, etc... were 3 separate gods. They were NOT One God in 3 distinct Persons. Paganism had NO concept of monotheism like that. You accuse me of liking to argue and quarrel. Yet you call Trinitarians Roman Catholics and pagans, etc... hmmm?
I admit I am a bit snarky at times. Such rude comments do NOT prove theological points. Yet neither does repeating propaganda like YOURS like a polemic parrot!
@wonone100 Please don't take this the wrong way but you are confused IDIOT. You have confused Trinitarianism with Jesus Only Pentecostal's modalism. At least try to know what you are talking about when you attack us.
The trinity is a Roman Catholic invention. Tertullian coined the phrase, this is why now so many Muslims can make mincemeat of many Christians in debates because they do not know who Jesus is and he is God manifested int he flesh.
If Muslims make mincemeat of many "Christians" in debates it is because they are not trained in apologetics. Quit slandering us by implying we do not believe Jesus was God manifested in the flesh or that there is more than one God. Straw man arguments prove nothing but your scholastic dishonesty or cowardice or both!
@wonone100 Yea its sad to - All these false doctrines drive people away from the bible - and even muslims try to cast doubt on the bible because people listen to the modern church rather then study the bible. Instead of saying, "The churches lied" , they say, "The bible is a lie"
Hear O yisrael, Yauveh our Elohim, Yah is Echad ( unity. ) more then one singler, Genesis 2:21 in hebrew one is single rib, but verse 24 say Adam and eve are two beings are now united as one ECHAD now there are two beings not one single, i dont support the trinity doctrine because its false. There is only the Father and the Son and the Holy spirit is not a being but it is translated to SET-APART WORD, now read scripture and u will c it's his Son yahushua ha Moshiach that his Father introduces
Once more the implied slanderous lie of the Oneness Apostolic. You assume and misrepresent Trinitarians as not believing in only ONE GOD. You are sadly mistaken, Jesus is NOT His own Father. How can He have SHARED glory with His Father if He was the Father? Can you share things with yourself? John 17:5
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The Father did NOT die,...God CANNOT DIE! The SON of God died,... this guy thinks maybe "God the son" died? Then according to him, PART of God died,...whatever that is supposed to mean. But the Son of GOD was diety and humanity fused... then the question is what diety perhaps? To this man the diety is " God the Son" and the humanity being Son of God??? So to him, god the son was manifested in the son of God? No no no, there is ONE GOD , the Father 1 cor 8:6 , and HE was manifested in the SON!
I am Roman Catholic. I do not believe that God the Father is an old man. The Church does not teach that. In order for there to be a heresy, there has to be an established authority, hence the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ on Pentecost.
that's a joke man. Jesus Christ did not come to earth to establish a measly religion. The authority that us believers are all under is not some stupid human authority, our ONLY authority is Jesus Christ, and thus the Bible.
you are right, there is a Father and a Son the only brought fourth Son, but there is not a 3rd being called the holy ghost as a being or seperate from te Father and the Son, i can prove this claim!!!
Much ado about nothing. Your god has not had a single success yet. He made perfect angels. He made perfect humans on a perfect earth. He had a perfect son. And ALL of them end up tortured and dead. He ends up with a few thousand buddies to lay around paradise with for ever while ALL the rest are destroyed or tortured for eternity. Has there ever been a bigger loser? Ever?
So you mean to tell me that God can not be everywhere at the sametime. In Mark when jesus was getting baptize those were signs for john b/c he didnt know jesus. In that case the people that was there would have been amazed and would i have been like "oh theres three Gods a new revelation." b/c before they were only worshiping one God. 1timothy 3:16 not God the son like you would put it. Isaiah 9:6. Isaiah 43:10-11. 44:6,8,24. Isaiah 45:5,21-23, to go with Isaiah 45:23 is Philippians 2:9-10.
umm .. does the author say that God is actually the characters in that book? Or is he using the characters in way that will help someone that's confused about the trinity understand God better?
The book promotes Tri-Theism. Three completely different individuals as different as three people on a bus. The Father is an African American woman. The book is complete garbage.
Indeed it is a GREAT SIN to identify God the Father as a woman. A man like that has NOTHING to do with TRUE GOD OF THE BIBLE. Could he, the author of the book, might be a Jesuit promoting the Catholic's mystical religion from where it came trinity doctrine. True Christians, study the history about trinity and then you'll see from WHEN and HOW and WHERE came the doctrine of the trinity.
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badwingduck1 23 hours ago
Thanks, Mark: it all makes sense now.
Aeschylus 5 months ago
so God cannot be as the Father talking, the Son being baptized and the Holy Spirit descending as a dove? 1:40 . I dont know what kind of God you got that cant do those things... i guess your god is not Almighty and his omnipresence does not function properly... the Trinity is pagan, its just an idea taken from the other religions to try to explain the nature of God.
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Leaf599 5 months ago in playlist Heretics
The trinity is pagan.
onemarktwoyou 6 months ago
Would it be heresy to suggest that God is one person who manifests as Father, Son and Holy Spirit (co-existing, co-eternal, NOT one-at-a-time in succession), but these three effectively behaving as distinct persons?
ScalarPhotonZ 6 months ago
@ScalarPhotonZ Yes that would be a heresy, because that is a contradiction. The Bible is clear that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Son. How ever these three divine persons are still one God, who share the same divine nature, and same divine will. They never act separately.
magnus56j 5 months ago
@magnus56j Do you think it would ever be appropriate to refer to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit together as "He" (i.e. singular pronoun)? For example, "He [God] is Triune - Father, Son and Holy Spirit".
ScalarPhotonZ 5 months ago
@ScalarPhotonZ Good question. In itself the Godhead possesses neither maleness nor femininity. Although our human sexual characteristics as male and female reflect, at their highest and truest, an aspect of the divine life, yet there is in God no such thing as sexuality. When, therefore, we speak of God as Father, we are speaking not literally but in symbols. You can call God "He," just remember not to think of God as one person. God is One, and exists in three equal divine persons.
magnus56j 5 months ago
@ScalarPhotonZ Do you understand the doctrine of the Trinity? I can explain it to you in more detail so you can understand it more.
magnus56j 5 months ago
@magnus56j Thanks.
I am very familiar with, and do believe, the basic notion of the Trinity - One God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And I am familiar with their basic positions, characteristics and roles within the Godhead. However, I am aware that there are varying beliefs among Christians about the "extent of their oneness" and "extent of their threeness".
ScalarPhotonZ 5 months ago
@magnus56j While I recognise that it's right to have these sorts of discussions, and recognise the centrality of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I do believe however that it is not exclusively those believers who have a perfect understanding of the Trinity, who are genuine Christians, and so such discussions should never be a cause of division in the Church.
Love, God bless.
ScalarPhotonZ 5 months ago
@ScalarPhotonZ No one can have a perfect understanding of the Trinity, because the Trinity is a mystery. God is Mystery. If God wasn't Mystery, He wouldn't be God. We can't understand how God is infinite and has no beginning or end. There are however a lot of people that reject the Trinity because they have a misunderstanding the doctine. Many Mormons, for instance, think the Trinity is saying God is one person, yet somehow also three persons. But this is not a teaching of the Trinity.
magnus56j 5 months ago
@magnus56j really? If God is truly a mystery and man cannot comprehend God's being then how is it that creedal trinitarians such as Driscoll seem to have worked out God's character with such definitives as to discern who is and who isn't "Christian" by the framework they place on God?
itsalltheory 5 months ago
@itsalltheory Driscoll is just giving a more explicit definition of the Trinity. The Trinity can be defined and explained, since the doctrine is revealed to us through the Word of God. Part of the doctrine of the Trinity is that God exists in three persons, but is one God, because Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in essence, who are co-equal, co-eternal, have one will, not three, one energy, not three. The fact that they are one in essense is a mystery. No one can perfectly comprehend that.
magnus56j 5 months ago
@magnus56j I'm not entirely disagreeing with your premise, as a matter of fact, much is consistent with my own belief. Nonetheless, I'm of the opinion that where different theories of God converge - their dissimilarities should not precipitate intolerance and inflammatory accusations of heresy; as they do in the above video sequence.
itsalltheory 3 weeks ago
Thats not true about mormonism!, Jesus was always God read the intro to book of mormon "Jesus the ETERNAL GOD!" and the Devil didnt lie he gave a half truth we all can become like GOD, but he did lie and say That EVE wouldnt die!
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Gen 3:22
jonnygotz2343 6 months ago
Son of God = God,the Son?
Son of David = David, the Son?
Son of Man = Man,the Son ?
See how they playing word games to our minds
DnRchristianity 8 months ago
If there are no other gods, then why would we be warned of them so often in the bible? It's obvious that God believed in other gods or else he would have nothing to be jealous of, right? lol Ex 15:11 De 5:7 6:5,14 Jos 24:18-24 2Ki 17:29-35 Ps 29:2 73:25 81:9 Isa 26:4 43:10 44:8 45:21,22 46:9 Jer 25:6 35:15 Mt 4:10 1Co 8:4,6 Eph 5:5 Php 3:19 Col 2:18 1Jo 5:20,21 Re 19:10 22:9
1Shawndra 8 months ago
@1Shawndra - According to this guy, I guess God is polythestic! LOL
1Shawndra 8 months ago
@1Shawndra - Our Heavenly FAther is not the ONLY God, but is the only TRUE God that we must know and also His SON whom He has SENT! :) John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
1Shawndra 8 months ago
He's a polytheist.
onemarktwoyou 11 months ago
Sock, there isn't evidence that The Trinity is derived from Roman paganism since there is no identical concept, also it existed in early Christianity if you are familiar with Polycarp, Justin, Ignatius etc. The same with Hell. Both Arianism and Universalism were condemned as heresies because the spirit of God wasn't with those subscribers who taught these doctrines.
LogosTheos 1 year ago
I used to respect Mark, but although he seems to seek truth in some areas, he has major issues with learning and accepting the roman-pagan doctrines of the trinity and eternal hell, even though early scriptures stated the opposite. :o/
ThisIsMySockAccount 1 year ago
@ThisIsMySockAccount I don't know what scriptures you're reading then.
AndrewBainn 11 months ago
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baskuk 1 year ago
I dont know why you people still argue about trinity ! every muslim belives that Jesus was a prophet send by God (the father) to teach people what Moses taught and all the prophets before him ! Jesus said : i dint come to destroy the law of Moses but to fulfill , there was always only one true religion which is to believe in one God and no one else exept him and to believe that all the prophets were the messengers of God from Adam to Muhammed , that religion is islam (monotheism)
baskuk 1 year ago
@baskuk Why do Islamic people not FOLLOW the teachings of the Prophet Jesus?? Jesus IS GOD that became a man, The ONLY Begotten Son of God. ALLAH HAD NO SON, and does not exhibit Mercy & Grace. If a male Islamic marytr gets 70 virgins, What does the Female maytrs get?????
stanmanmo59 11 months ago
i think it's best if we all understand that we CAN'T understand the trinity, why? because the Trinity is God and our finite minds can't understand his complexities. The only thing that is even a close resemblance of the Trinity on this earth, at least in my opinion, is the three parts of a man: heart, soul, and flesh (Deut. 6:5). It's nearly blasphemous to try to compare this to God however because He is obviously infinitely more complex than we are.
13jonny11 1 year ago
@ 1:47 Mark CANNOT play three roles @ the same time i guess God is impotent and can't such a thing...also it seems that Mark must have ripped out John 14:9, Is. 9:6, 43:10, Col 1:15 & 2:8,9 as well from his bible or he has a watered down version.
ONErighteousNESS 1 year ago
Numbers 23:19 says G-d is not a man. The shema Deu 6:4 is the central creed of Jewish monotheism.
ChildofYeshua777 1 year ago
@Pcbarter
?? And who asede you me. Atheist this is Christian talk move on
solf08 1 year ago
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This is He that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are Three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these Three are One. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:6-8
SweetBeloved2 1 year ago
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God…. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:1-2, 14
SweetBeloved2 1 year ago
If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:15-17
SweetBeloved2 1 year ago
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Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? John 14:8-10
SweetBeloved2 1 year ago
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice He judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on His head are many crowns. He has a name written on Him that no one knows but He Himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is the Word of God. Revelation 19:12-13
SweetBeloved2 1 year ago
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This is He that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are Three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these Three are One. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1 John 5:6-8
SweetBeloved2 1 year ago
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.... The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-2, 14
SweetBeloved2 1 year ago
And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent. I have glorified You down here on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do. And now, Father, glorify Me along with Yourself and restore Me to such majesty and honor in Your presence as I had with You before the world existed. Jn 17:3-5
SweetBeloved2 1 year ago
How are you gonna use logic to disprove Oneness yet the Trinity is Illogical?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi Have you ever READ a standard college textbook on logic? Ask me you question again when you have. By then you will have discovered that the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is NOT illogical. You unitarian concept of God (I do NOT mean a denomination) does NOT hold up to biblical scrutiny either.
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 The trinity is ILLOGICAL. If There is Only One president, there is not three people who are the president, only One. If there is Only ONE GOD, there is not Three people who are GOD, only One - The Father - John 17:3.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi Ahhh, notice how the heretic starts his argument with an illustration drawn from MAN. God is NOT a man so PLEASE don't compare Him to the president. There is ONLY one one God. John 17:3 cf Deut 6:4 Do you even KNOW the doctrine of the Holy Trinity?
One God (Being) who exists in 3 PERSONS not people. God is NOT a man unless you are a Mormon. LOL
All 3 persons of the Holy Trinity either collectively OR individually can be referred to as the the Only True God, YHWH, LORD, Yahweh, etc..
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 You just said GOD IS a man, then you said He is NOT a man. Nonetheless, this is not comparing GOD to man, this is using simple logic that GOD gave us. There is Only One God, Just like there is only one president. Only one being is GOD, only one being is president. John 17:3 - The Father is the Only True GOD, just like Obama is the Only True President. Simple Logic - Mark 10:15. Since when is Persons not People? That is the same exact word. People is more then one Person.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi says to Blogrich55, "You just said GOD IS a man, then you said He is NOT a man."
LOL only to YOU pal XD I said God exists in 3 PERSONS not PEOPLE. Like most cultists, Apostolics for example, the word "persons" means "people." Read your dictionary more carefully. Most will mention the use of the word persons as it relates to the doctrine of the Trinity.
NO ONE has denied there is only ONE GOD. But you cannot help using your useless arguments as you don't understand basic logic!
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 I am aware of what the UNHOLY trinity teaches. A Pagan triune god - three gods, polytheism, not montheism - you can claim monotheism all day but it is still polytheism - you can evade logic, reason, scripture, etc. But in the end it is still a false god. Yeshua said the Only True GOD is the Father, therefore I believe Yeshua over you and the entire christian church. You follow an incarnate pagan god named jesus christ, i follow Yeshua Ha Mashiach and his Elohim Yehovah.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi says, "I am aware of what the UNHOLY trinity teaches. A Pagan triune god - three gods, polytheism, not montheism" ROFLOL
I guess a straw man argument is the ONLY way you can "win" huh? I am working on a video on John 17:3 based on the logical fallacies used by cultists. Here is a preview:
If Jesus were the Father He would be the only true God. Jesus is NOT the Father. Therefore, He is NOT the only true God.
This is the fallacy of denying the antecedent. It is used by Arians.
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 1 John 5:7 (King James Version) 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
USNavyman09 1 year ago
@USNavyman09 You are probably a King Jame Onliest. This text is not in the best manuscripts and is rarely used by defenders of the Holy Trinity such as myself. God bless you.
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 No,..Not a Kjv Onlyist,... Just a Historian,..Heres a detail of that verse
200 AD Tertullian quoted the verse in his Apology, Against Praxeas
250 AD Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, "And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: "And the three are One" in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (see note for Old Latin)
USNavyman09 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 Explain GOD without using words that arent found in the bible. Do not use trinity, triune, god the son, god the holy spirit, co equal, co eternal, three persons one god, hypostatic union, fully man, fully god, etc. Any words that are not in the bible do not use them to explain GOD. You could use Yeshua's example in John 15:1-5. Father > Yeshua > Us. Or you could use Pauls example in 1 Cor 11:3 - GOD > Yeshua > Man > Woman. Or you could use Deut 18:18-19, Isaiah 42,61, Psalm 110, etc.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi says, "Explain GOD without using words that arent found in the bible. Do not use trinity, triune, god the son, god the holy spirit, co equal, co eternal, three persons one god, hypostatic union, fully man, fully god, etc. Any words that are not in the bible do not use them to explain GOD."
All disciplines have their own technical vocabulary whether philosophy, theology, psychology, or science. I don't know IF you believe in the rapture or not but THAT is a word not in the Bible.
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@markpaghi Say there is one "board" of a company, but made of more than one member,..Or how Water is one element but exists in three different forms...
USNavyman09 1 year ago
no-one knows the truth
3vince3 1 year ago
@3vince3 Gee, how wonderful that you are able to speak for everyone in the world like that and KNOW just what everyone knows. Is it a gift? LOL
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@3vince3 Oh and BTW IF no one knows the truth, HOW can YOU know the truth that no one knows the truth? Just curious LOL
Blogrich55 1 year ago
It is hard to agree with someone who says The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 persons of God when the Bible says God is a person. Doesn't seem to be plural
Job 13:8-10
Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye [so] mock him? He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
Risen1s 1 year ago
"The Holy Spirit is a description of the invisible power of God, not a third separate entity." Paul in his epistles does not include the Spirit of God in his greetings to the churches but only uses God the Father and Jesus Christ.
There are many words personified in the Bible like wisdom, blood, water, wind, etc. does that make the word a person? No it does not. There is not a clear verse that shows the Spirit of God is a person. Instead it is only what people make them to be, a conclusion.
DLando 1 year ago
@DLando I guess Acts 13:2 is not part of your Bible.
Blogrich55 1 year ago
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DLando 1 year ago
What I don't like the most is that certain christians(individuals,groups,churches) use the Trinity Doctrine as a litmus test to being a true christian. This doctrine whether true or not is not essential to your salvation. The Grace of God and the sacrifies of our Lord Jesus Christ is what saves us and reconcile us to God.
DLando 1 year ago
i agree but it just seems like hes hating....
madrockbannanas 1 year ago
You pray in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit! Trinity all day errr day in true Christianity!
solf08 1 year ago
@solf08
yes in the name of, like stop in the name of the law.
It is not referring to the law as a person or entity.
Google true origin of the trinity.
It is quite obvious a pagan origin as they still worship it today.
Didn't show it ugly pagan head in professed christian cults until the 4th century.
pcbarter 1 year ago
1.Mark 10:18
Luke 18:19
John 14:28
1 Corinthians 15:25-30
pcbarter 1 year ago
I also have a question for you.
If the Holy spirit is a God then from the account of Jesus conception in luke 1 v35, it reads like the holy spirit is the Father of Jesus.
v35 "The Holy Spirit will COME UPON YOU and the power of the most high will overshadow you"
I believe this verse clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is not a god but as it says "THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH"
No where is the holy spirit described as a GOD.
1COR 8V6 To us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER!!!
CamdenChristadelphia 1 year ago
I would just like to correct you with your comment about satan in the Garden of Eden.
My Bible says the serpent said this.
CamdenChristadelphia 1 year ago
Interesting that if you look into anywhere in the Bible that depects a vision of God or Jesus in Heaven the are ALLWAYS shown as 2 individuals. and no where is seen the Holy spirit only the distinct two (.No 3 in 1 visions anywhere ), isn't that interesting!
Also the father sends or dispatches the Son and The Holy Spirit but nowhere is The father ever dispatched by anyone. People are filled with or given holy spirit. No one is given or filled with the Father or the Son.
pcbarter 1 year ago
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orlovna2 1 year ago
@pcbarter
I like your observations.
orlovna2 1 year ago
1 John 5:6-8 (King James Version) 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
dtewis 2 years ago
John 1:14 (King James Version) 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
dtewis 2 years ago
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@dtewis I have three questions for you:
1. Do you believe John 14:11?
2. Do you believe Jesus is the Father?
3. Where did Jesus go when he died, heaven or hell?
markpaghi 1 year ago
Whatever WE DO, by Word or Deed, do it in the Name of Jesus!!
coolestmcse 2 years ago
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coolestmcse 2 years ago
The trinity itself is a heresy.
EndtimeWatchman777 2 years ago
Amen Brother,Father Son and Holy Spirit 3 persons in 1 Godhead,all 3 always existing all 3 were never created but They Were The Creator of All Things that exist in Heaven and on Earth,and together as a Family all 3 seperate and destinct persons acting together in Unity on Earth and in Heaven,The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit in Perfect Harmony and Perfect Unity,The Father Commands The Son Acts and The Holy Spirit does The Works......Amen!
darizzle7 2 years ago
trinity is the biggest contridiction know to man.
Truthorfable 2 years ago
@TruthorFable
What bigger contradiction is there than Jesus being both Father and Son?
Blogrich55 2 years ago
Actually it is the trinitarians that try to put masks on God three different ones.
I used that long ago and it seems he stole that from me about the masks trinis try to put on God.
Trinis are catholics at heart.
Enough of this heretic confused man who has no respect for God.
He thinks he is right and he is confused.
I can't bear to even listen to him, he is very confused.
wonone100 2 years ago
@ woonone100
Why don't you Jesus Only heretics get some new material? Don't you tire of using the genetic fallacy and calling us Catholic for believing in the Holy Trinity?
So, I guess if the Bible was to read as it does in your Apostolic International New Testament (A.I.N.T.) Matthew 3:17 should have the Father say from heaven at Christ's baptism:
"I Am my beloved Son and frankly I'm pretty pleased with myself."
If Jesus is both the Father and the Son He would be His own Father.Repent!
Blogrich55 2 years ago
@Blogrich55 Are you going to rebuke Oneness adherents because they have a different false doctrine then your false doctrine?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi Why don't you specify which bizarre cultic group you are with so I can rebuke you? LOL Your question is illogical. It is the fallacy of the complex question. You assume in your question that I have a false doctrine. This is the very point you need to prove.
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@Blogrich55 You dont follow the bible you follow the pagans of Acts 14:11. The trinity is pure paganism found in every mystery babylon religiong across the globe - three in one gods. All you do is argue and call people names - you must enjoy quarreling. There is a difference between rebuking and quarreling. I am assuming you reject the teachings of the roman catholic church - You will say, but many of your doctrines came from the catholic church - which is full of paganism and gnosticism.
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi Sorry but YOU do not know what you are talking about. The ancient triads of gods in Egypt, etc... were 3 separate gods. They were NOT One God in 3 distinct Persons. Paganism had NO concept of monotheism like that. You accuse me of liking to argue and quarrel. Yet you call Trinitarians Roman Catholics and pagans, etc... hmmm?
I admit I am a bit snarky at times. Such rude comments do NOT prove theological points. Yet neither does repeating propaganda like YOURS like a polemic parrot!
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@wonone100 Please don't take this the wrong way but you are confused IDIOT. You have confused Trinitarianism with Jesus Only Pentecostal's modalism. At least try to know what you are talking about when you attack us.
Blogrich55 1 year ago
@wonone100 Trinity is essentialy catholic, small c, so yeah you're right, but there is nothing wrong with that...
cynderthedragoness99 1 year ago
The trinity is a Roman Catholic invention. Tertullian coined the phrase, this is why now so many Muslims can make mincemeat of many Christians in debates because they do not know who Jesus is and he is God manifested int he flesh.
There is no trinity there is only one God.
wonone100 2 years ago
@wonone100
If Muslims make mincemeat of many "Christians" in debates it is because they are not trained in apologetics. Quit slandering us by implying we do not believe Jesus was God manifested in the flesh or that there is more than one God. Straw man arguments prove nothing but your scholastic dishonesty or cowardice or both!
Blogrich55 2 years ago
@wonone100 Yea its sad to - All these false doctrines drive people away from the bible - and even muslims try to cast doubt on the bible because people listen to the modern church rather then study the bible. Instead of saying, "The churches lied" , they say, "The bible is a lie"
markpaghi 1 year ago
there are three person One God
cebuano1997 2 years ago
Some one needs to show this guy Deuteronomy 6:4
RTrentSmith 2 years ago 2
Hear O yisrael, Yauveh our Elohim, Yah is Echad ( unity. ) more then one singler, Genesis 2:21 in hebrew one is single rib, but verse 24 say Adam and eve are two beings are now united as one ECHAD now there are two beings not one single, i dont support the trinity doctrine because its false. There is only the Father and the Son and the Holy spirit is not a being but it is translated to SET-APART WORD, now read scripture and u will c it's his Son yahushua ha Moshiach that his Father introduces
Yahushua1 2 years ago
@ RTrentSmith
Once more the implied slanderous lie of the Oneness Apostolic. You assume and misrepresent Trinitarians as not believing in only ONE GOD. You are sadly mistaken, Jesus is NOT His own Father. How can He have SHARED glory with His Father if He was the Father? Can you share things with yourself? John 17:5
Blogrich55 2 years ago
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orlovna2 1 year ago
@RTrentSmith
cf. Mark 12:29.
jet375 7 months ago
this makes me sick
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GenevaHarrisa 2 years ago
The Father did NOT die,...God CANNOT DIE! The SON of God died,... this guy thinks maybe "God the son" died? Then according to him, PART of God died,...whatever that is supposed to mean. But the Son of GOD was diety and humanity fused... then the question is what diety perhaps? To this man the diety is " God the Son" and the humanity being Son of God??? So to him, god the son was manifested in the son of God? No no no, there is ONE GOD , the Father 1 cor 8:6 , and HE was manifested in the SON!
Jaysen1976 2 years ago
I am Roman Catholic. I do not believe that God the Father is an old man. The Church does not teach that. In order for there to be a heresy, there has to be an established authority, hence the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ on Pentecost.
joeyof9 2 years ago
that's a joke man. Jesus Christ did not come to earth to establish a measly religion. The authority that us believers are all under is not some stupid human authority, our ONLY authority is Jesus Christ, and thus the Bible.
habsfan170 2 years ago
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@habsfan170 Where does the bible say Jesus Came to the Earth?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@joeyof9 The authority is called the bible, NOT the pope's church. BIBLE - Word of GOD - Authority. Now, I have three questions for you:
1. Do you believe John 14:11?
2. Do you believe Jesus is the Father?
3. Where did Jesus go when he died, heaven or hell?
markpaghi 1 year ago
you are right, there is a Father and a Son the only brought fourth Son, but there is not a 3rd being called the holy ghost as a being or seperate from te Father and the Son, i can prove this claim!!!
willytapine7 3 years ago
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Imaginefree69 3 years ago
So you mean to tell me that God can not be everywhere at the sametime. In Mark when jesus was getting baptize those were signs for john b/c he didnt know jesus. In that case the people that was there would have been amazed and would i have been like "oh theres three Gods a new revelation." b/c before they were only worshiping one God. 1timothy 3:16 not God the son like you would put it. Isaiah 9:6. Isaiah 43:10-11. 44:6,8,24. Isaiah 45:5,21-23, to go with Isaiah 45:23 is Philippians 2:9-10.
tjean8 3 years ago
to take a FICTION book and show it's inaccuracies would seem to be picayune. The book's purpose wasn't to clarify the doctrine of the trinity.
asb7507 3 years ago
This man is wrong about Oneness/Jesus Only. It does not teach Father in Old Testament, Son in New Testament, and Holy Spirit after Jesus went back.
Sorry but this man is completely misrepresenting Oneness. See my videos on the teaching of Oneness for the truth on that subject.
JTTNMinistries 3 years ago
@JTTNMinistries Who cares, Oneness is a false doctrine. So he misinterpreted a Lie - It is actually closer to the truth Now.
markpaghi 1 year ago
umm .. does the author say that God is actually the characters in that book? Or is he using the characters in way that will help someone that's confused about the trinity understand God better?
OrangeLight08 3 years ago
The book promotes Tri-Theism. Three completely different individuals as different as three people on a bus. The Father is an African American woman. The book is complete garbage.
JTTNMinistries 3 years ago
Indeed it is a GREAT SIN to identify God the Father as a woman. A man like that has NOTHING to do with TRUE GOD OF THE BIBLE. Could he, the author of the book, might be a Jesuit promoting the Catholic's mystical religion from where it came trinity doctrine. True Christians, study the history about trinity and then you'll see from WHEN and HOW and WHERE came the doctrine of the trinity.
shibakim 2 years ago
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The Bible contradicts the doctrine of the trinity.
The ONLY place I can find that doctrine in the bible is in the Book of Hezekiah!
omiolo1 3 years ago
when you been proved wrong many times in other chats, your opinion is useless OMIOLO1
MALDITTOROKKERO 3 years ago 7