If this fat piece of shit hated neutrals why did he detest indians who btw were slaves of the english, sacrificing their lives for the united kingdom during the war
I was never a huge fan of Dev but when all was said and done he probably made the right call on keeping Ireland out of WW2 and not giving the Brits access to the ports. Churchill didn't guarntee Dev a united Ireland. he was simply trying to get the ports any way he could.
This account rather downplays the less than veiled threats by Churchill & Co to Collins, et al, that if they did not accept what they were offered the Brits would essentially burn Ireland to the ground. So 20 years later Ireland is supposed to come to Britain's aid?
Tens of thousands of Irish men went to Britain and signed up to the British army and fought in the war regardless. These men were and remain Irish heroes who paid the ultimate sacrafice for British, Irish and European freedom. And remember Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark and others also remained neutral. Churchill was the archetect of his own problems in relation to not getting Ireland on board offically and his promises on Irish unity were probably undeliverable and certainly not to be trusted.
That's just it, They were NOT regarded as heroes in Eire! Their bravery & sacrifice have ALWAYS been ignored by the ROI, and those from the Free State army that went and joined the Brits in order to fight the Nazis, were blacklisted for the rest of their lives!
Irishmen who fought & died fighting Fascism, have been swept under our national carpet, as an embarrassing reminder, of our Nation's Neutrality vs Nazism!
We IGNORE their sacrifice because it shames us!!!!
@DonegalRaymie201 In my experience the only people ashamed of these Irish soldiers are Republican nut jobs. What about the The National Day of Commemoration, a state sponsored event where those who served in WW2 and other wars are remembered and saluted?
Those who deserted the Irish Defence Forces broke an oath to the state at a time of great peril and they deserved a court martial. Then, having broken this oath, they joined a foreign army. In another era they would have been shot.
At least be honest, only in the last decade, have we begun to even acknowledge their sacrifice! That old Blow Hard, Ian Paisley, has been lambasting the ROI for decades for ignoring those that died fighting Nazism, while hero worshiping the likes of Nazi boot-licker Sean Russell with a Public Statue!
Where are our Town War Memorials to the Irish that died in WW2, like those in the North??
"at a time of great peril"? It was exactly that "peril" that caused them to do what they did!
@DonegalRaymie201 Not really Raymie, its been a gradual process and finding a commemoration that will work here has taken time. Thus, the National Day of Commemoration began back in the late 80s and early 90s, and it has been gradually gaining profile. I personally don't feel the need to ape British traditions of memorial, and would like to see the natural and development of our own.
Someone should tell Paisley that Irish Government did not put a statue of of Sean Russell, the Shinners did!
Oh please, it's hardly just a Brit tradition. I've seen similar memorials all over France, Belgium etc and of course USA & Commonwealth Nations.
The problem for us, is this: How do we pay tribute to the Irish that died fighting Nazism, when they had to do so in the Brit Army, because our Leaders refused to oppose Nazism?
I've said it before; their sacrifice in opposing Fascism is a discomfiting reminder of our intransigence towards it, so we've quietly ignored them for decades!
@DonegalRaymie201 Donegalraymie201 your a fool! This country has nothing to be ashamed of in relation to ww1 or ww2. You think you know it all, clearly you know fuck all. Even wikipedia acknowledges the official Irish contribution this country made to the allies. And rightly so.
"Even wikipedia acknowledges..." Oh please, that's the best laugh I've had in ages! Written by morons, for morons!
If that's the quality of your sources & knowledge, you best fuck off now, ya brainless arsepiece! You're no match for my 3 year old, never mind me prick!
Tell us again, how "We didnt get our Independence south of the border fully/officially until 1949"? Or that Finland was a Neutral, ya thick, Spanish c*nt!
@DonegalRaymie201 Your like all Donegal bog trotting, gun smuggling thick fuckin egits, with your head stuck somewhere between up your hole and in the past. If you dont know when Ireland became a Republic thats your problem. If you dont know who was neutral in WW2 thats your problem. If you dont know why Ireland was officially Neutral or the contribution this country made, or why we are proud of it, thats another one of your problems. And I'm from Cork, not Spain. Now I'm blocking you Fuck off.
@DonegalRaymie201 '...it's hardly just a Brit tradition. I've seen similar memorials all over France, Belgium etc and of course USA & Commonwealth Nations': on this Island it is. Where are the memorials for the National Troops killed in the Civil War, fighting to preserve the Free State?
'their sacrifice in opposing Fascism is a discomfiting reminder of our intransigence towards it, so we've quietly ignored them for decades': explain that in the context of the National Day of Commemoration.
It's a European tradition in fact, not a preserve of Brits. And the "Heid Bummers" like Collins got his statues, but Civil Wars present uniquely difficult issues for obvious reasons. I don't know how the Spanish addressed this one either, post Franco?
"only in the last decade, have we begun to even acknowledge their sacrifice", therefore for decades post WW2, they were ignored, esp' by Dev! Simples!
I notice you ignored the 1 question I posed though...
@DonegalRaymie201 That is a fair point regarding Civil Wars, I respect that.
'The problem for us, is this: How do we pay tribute to the Irish that died fighting Nazism, when they had to do so in the Brit Army, because our Leaders refused to oppose Nazism?'
Its a loaded question and you know my answer: The National Day of Commemoration, organised by consensus begun in 1986, fits the bill. You won't get the National Day of Flagellation, people don't share your 'shame'.
@DonegalRaymie201 I dont agree with you. They may not have been regarded as heroes across Irish society back then but thats a reflection of that society at that time - a divided society by UK force I might add. It doesnt reflect society today or our ability today to take pride in them and salute them. And remember, during WW2, the ROI hadnt any armed forces worth talking about. Also, Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Portugal were also all offically neutral during WW2. Be proud of Eire, I am.
It's exactly the Irish society of that time that I'm referring to! Our political "leaders" during WW2, pointedly refused to EVER take a stand against Nazism/Fascism, and De Valera never in his lifetime EVER condemned the Nazis or admitted the horrors of the Holocaust!
The Irishmen who fought in WW2, did the opposite of what our then Leaders advocated, namely "Neutrality"! It's THAT, that I am shamed by; at least Spain & Portugal had the excuse of being under Dictatorships then!
@DonegalRaymie201 why is it ok for Spain and Portugal, Sweden, Finland etc but not Ireland? We didnt get our Independence south of the border fully/officially until 1949!!!!
Quit hating and get real!!!
You expected DeVelera to help Churchill?, a man who threatened to wipe us off the map as a people and culture?? The UK establishment already tried to do to Ireland what Nazi/Facist Germany were threatening the rest of Europe with.
Why when Ireland got its independance did the Irish people have to live in such poverty ? I feel Dev was all about ego and power I wish The Big Fella had lived, It would have been a better Ireland
So because Catholics hated communists, it was ok for them to love Nazis? BTW, FRANCO sent a compassionate condolence to Germany upon hearing of Hitler's death JUST LIKE DEVALERA. You just can't see it, can you? How about how nearly every country in Europe and South America that is dominated by Catholics is a cesspool? Ireland is about the only Caucasian country in Western Europe that is corrupt and back wards. WHat's wrong with you?
Why did so may Nazi's get to Ireland after the war? I know they went everywhere (incl. scientists to the US), but at least there was a logical purpose for that. The Nazis that went to Ireland were just plain mass murderers and psychopaths. Must be a Catholic thing, as the Nazi's used the "rat line" thru the Vatican to escape to Argentina, etc. Franco (also a Catholic) sent condolences about Hitler as well. Catholics--what the fuck are you thinking?
@velvet01able: Franco was a Catholic? Well, everyone in Spain (atleast then) is nominally Catholic. That is the word for Franco, nominal. You'd do well to remember that Stauffenberg was also a Catholic & hardly a nominal one. As for the "Rat Line" so beloved of anti-catholic bigots like yourself. The Vatican had been smuggling anti-Nazis, including Allied servicemen in Axis controlled Italy all through the war. Also, b/c FDR had given East Europe to Stalin, many needed to be smuggled from there.
@velvet01able So let me get this right: it was okay to take in Nazi war criminals as long as there was a 'logical purpose'? What kind of morality is that? Many in the west found common cause with anti-communists as the post-war new world order took shape. It was not a uniquely 'Catholic thing'. Authorities in many nations used anti-communism as an excuse - their 'logical purpose' as you excused it - to keep these war criminals from justice. They kept it secret because KNEW it was wrong!
Churchill offered to give De Valera Northern Ireland in exchange for Ireland joining WWII on the Allied side...De Valera made an awful decision in refusing the offer, he could have gotten a united Ireland, but emotion overtook logic
@dpinzow He didn`t promise De Valera anything he promised to look into it, the same promise the British made during World War 1, Thousands of Young Irishmen died in WW1 on the promise it would lead to Irish Home Rule yet the British just kept postponing it and sweeping it under the carpet.
Two things De Valera never seemed to consider: the American government's interests, and specifically, the Irish in America, a very large portion of whom either joined or were conscripted into the American military. The Irish did a lot of fighting and dying--on the American side. Paying personal condolences to the German embassy on news of Hitler's suicide could be the worst piece of PR of the 20th century. It may have been to insult the British, but the Americans felt the insult, too.
I have mixed opinions about whether Dev was good for our country or not. But this documentary I dislike. It is silly. Using one riff, more on Devs side than Churchill's (the victory speech palava) to pan out 60 mins of nonsense theorising. It also reflects the current mode for history documentaries based on tabloid settings, ie. personality clashes, rather than attending to deeper insights. For RTE, like the BBC, its the consequence of the dumbing down of university education towards populism.
Thanks so much for this post! I'd like to know, will anyone ever do a documentary on WT Cosgrave? He, more than Collins or de Valera is responsible for establishing Eire as a viable democracy in the post-WWI years- a difficult time for democracy as both Fascism and Communism were on the rise. Sure, he jailed Dev for a long time, and executed several in the post-civil war period, but obviously he did something right. Unfortunately, history has all but forgotten him.
@thoughtly It was well known that the Jews of Europe were in deep trouble but it would be wrong to say that Dev new about the Holocaust. Nobody understood exactly what was going on, the holocaust was beyond everyones comprehension. It is interesting that in '43 at the Bermuda Conference both the US and the UK refused to anything specific to help the European Jews. The British delegate said that the rescuing of Jews was not a British problem.
This argument about helping the jews is a non-starter. How? It was simply not practical. Churchill was very good at simplifying this point by saying the only way to end all the oppression for everyone was to devote all resources singly to destroying the german military on the battle field & he pointed out all Europe's history was decided on the flat lands of northern Europe, that is where the jews fate will be decided. And where were the Irish at Normandy?
Well, mostly in the British Army! And I applaud them for it, and for ignoring Dev's fatuous, petty, irrelevant moans that Irish people ought to adhere to Neutrality! The Irish who fought & died did so, because they at least, saw that Nazism was a threat to all right-thinking folk in Europe, not just the English!
While Dev carped from the sidelines, Genocide was being committed, and Dev never saw fit to even CONDEMN it, the c*nt!
@flashtrash Is it really a non-starter? I wonder how the jews of Hungary felt about that? They could have been rescued up until 1944 by the British. but it was not their 'problem'. Where were the Irish in Normandy? The Irish in Normandy were volunteers in the British forces, as you know Eire was neutral as it did not wish to be involved in a war between the great powers. Such an alliance would have divided the Irish population, as British atrocities in Eire during 1919-22 were so recent.
If this fat piece of shit hated neutrals why did he detest indians who btw were slaves of the english, sacrificing their lives for the united kingdom during the war
tripper85 3 weeks ago
@tripper85 Churchill greatly admired the Indians, as did his father.
MrRobertJameson 3 weeks ago
dev was pussy.. Catholic church up his hole
jamesrp007 1 month ago
dev made the right call , Irelandwas after fight four wars , three shooting & one economic , we were in no position to fight another
paddy25c 2 months ago
@paddy25c you fucking idiot learn english you scum bag dub
420Crackdealer 1 week ago
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ChristianPatriarchy 4 months ago
@RichardElden no it wasn't
MrWeetabixloverx1000 4 months ago
Fuck Churchill, morally corrupt evil slimeball.
HLecterPHD 4 months ago
I was never a huge fan of Dev but when all was said and done he probably made the right call on keeping Ireland out of WW2 and not giving the Brits access to the ports. Churchill didn't guarntee Dev a united Ireland. he was simply trying to get the ports any way he could.
Burncourtable 4 months ago
@Burncourtable he did give brits access to ports under the external act you fool!!!
420Crackdealer 1 week ago
@420Crackdealer
Fuck you! stupid fuckin crackhead. Who gives a fuck
Burncourtable 1 week ago
This account rather downplays the less than veiled threats by Churchill & Co to Collins, et al, that if they did not accept what they were offered the Brits would essentially burn Ireland to the ground. So 20 years later Ireland is supposed to come to Britain's aid?
tquinn554 5 months ago
@tquinn554
Bull! Collins himself ALWAYS denied that any threats were ever made!
And anyway, he CHAMPIONED the Treaty back in Dublin, and the Dail Ratified it, all before the Civil War!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
Tens of thousands of Irish men went to Britain and signed up to the British army and fought in the war regardless. These men were and remain Irish heroes who paid the ultimate sacrafice for British, Irish and European freedom. And remember Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark and others also remained neutral. Churchill was the archetect of his own problems in relation to not getting Ireland on board offically and his promises on Irish unity were probably undeliverable and certainly not to be trusted.
Tonyo1221 6 months ago
@Tonyo1221
That's just it, They were NOT regarded as heroes in Eire! Their bravery & sacrifice have ALWAYS been ignored by the ROI, and those from the Free State army that went and joined the Brits in order to fight the Nazis, were blacklisted for the rest of their lives!
Irishmen who fought & died fighting Fascism, have been swept under our national carpet, as an embarrassing reminder, of our Nation's Neutrality vs Nazism!
We IGNORE their sacrifice because it shames us!!!!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 In my experience the only people ashamed of these Irish soldiers are Republican nut jobs. What about the The National Day of Commemoration, a state sponsored event where those who served in WW2 and other wars are remembered and saluted?
Those who deserted the Irish Defence Forces broke an oath to the state at a time of great peril and they deserved a court martial. Then, having broken this oath, they joined a foreign army. In another era they would have been shot.
jratt2 5 months ago
@jratt2
At least be honest, only in the last decade, have we begun to even acknowledge their sacrifice! That old Blow Hard, Ian Paisley, has been lambasting the ROI for decades for ignoring those that died fighting Nazism, while hero worshiping the likes of Nazi boot-licker Sean Russell with a Public Statue!
Where are our Town War Memorials to the Irish that died in WW2, like those in the North??
"at a time of great peril"? It was exactly that "peril" that caused them to do what they did!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Not really Raymie, its been a gradual process and finding a commemoration that will work here has taken time. Thus, the National Day of Commemoration began back in the late 80s and early 90s, and it has been gradually gaining profile. I personally don't feel the need to ape British traditions of memorial, and would like to see the natural and development of our own.
Someone should tell Paisley that Irish Government did not put a statue of of Sean Russell, the Shinners did!
jratt2 5 months ago
@jratt2
Oh please, it's hardly just a Brit tradition. I've seen similar memorials all over France, Belgium etc and of course USA & Commonwealth Nations.
The problem for us, is this: How do we pay tribute to the Irish that died fighting Nazism, when they had to do so in the Brit Army, because our Leaders refused to oppose Nazism?
I've said it before; their sacrifice in opposing Fascism is a discomfiting reminder of our intransigence towards it, so we've quietly ignored them for decades!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Donegalraymie201 your a fool! This country has nothing to be ashamed of in relation to ww1 or ww2. You think you know it all, clearly you know fuck all. Even wikipedia acknowledges the official Irish contribution this country made to the allies. And rightly so.
Tonyo1221 5 months ago
@Tonyo1221
"Even wikipedia acknowledges..." Oh please, that's the best laugh I've had in ages! Written by morons, for morons!
If that's the quality of your sources & knowledge, you best fuck off now, ya brainless arsepiece! You're no match for my 3 year old, never mind me prick!
Tell us again, how "We didnt get our Independence south of the border fully/officially until 1949"? Or that Finland was a Neutral, ya thick, Spanish c*nt!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Your like all Donegal bog trotting, gun smuggling thick fuckin egits, with your head stuck somewhere between up your hole and in the past. If you dont know when Ireland became a Republic thats your problem. If you dont know who was neutral in WW2 thats your problem. If you dont know why Ireland was officially Neutral or the contribution this country made, or why we are proud of it, thats another one of your problems. And I'm from Cork, not Spain. Now I'm blocking you Fuck off.
Tonyo1221 5 months ago
@Tonyo1221
What's an "egit"??? It's you Fuckwit, who thought Finland was a Neutral, ya lying piece of shite!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 '...it's hardly just a Brit tradition. I've seen similar memorials all over France, Belgium etc and of course USA & Commonwealth Nations': on this Island it is. Where are the memorials for the National Troops killed in the Civil War, fighting to preserve the Free State?
'their sacrifice in opposing Fascism is a discomfiting reminder of our intransigence towards it, so we've quietly ignored them for decades': explain that in the context of the National Day of Commemoration.
jratt2 5 months ago
@jratt2
It's a European tradition in fact, not a preserve of Brits. And the "Heid Bummers" like Collins got his statues, but Civil Wars present uniquely difficult issues for obvious reasons. I don't know how the Spanish addressed this one either, post Franco?
"only in the last decade, have we begun to even acknowledge their sacrifice", therefore for decades post WW2, they were ignored, esp' by Dev! Simples!
I notice you ignored the 1 question I posed though...
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
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@DonegalRaymie201 That is a fair point regarding Civil Wars, I respect that.
'The problem for us, is this: How do we pay tribute to the Irish that died fighting Nazism, when they had to do so in the Brit Army, because our Leaders refused to oppose Nazism?'
Its a loaded question and you know my answer: The National Day of Commemoration, organised by consensus begun in 1986, fits the bill. You won't get the National Day of Flagellation, people don't share your 'shame'.
jratt2 5 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 I dont agree with you. They may not have been regarded as heroes across Irish society back then but thats a reflection of that society at that time - a divided society by UK force I might add. It doesnt reflect society today or our ability today to take pride in them and salute them. And remember, during WW2, the ROI hadnt any armed forces worth talking about. Also, Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Portugal were also all offically neutral during WW2. Be proud of Eire, I am.
Tonyo1221 5 months ago
@Tonyo1221
It's exactly the Irish society of that time that I'm referring to! Our political "leaders" during WW2, pointedly refused to EVER take a stand against Nazism/Fascism, and De Valera never in his lifetime EVER condemned the Nazis or admitted the horrors of the Holocaust!
The Irishmen who fought in WW2, did the opposite of what our then Leaders advocated, namely "Neutrality"! It's THAT, that I am shamed by; at least Spain & Portugal had the excuse of being under Dictatorships then!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 why is it ok for Spain and Portugal, Sweden, Finland etc but not Ireland? We didnt get our Independence south of the border fully/officially until 1949!!!!
Quit hating and get real!!!
You expected DeVelera to help Churchill?, a man who threatened to wipe us off the map as a people and culture?? The UK establishment already tried to do to Ireland what Nazi/Facist Germany were threatening the rest of Europe with.
Tonyo1221 5 months ago
@Tonyo1221
WTF are you talking about moron??? Where did Churchill make any such threat ya eejit?
And said already, but you're hard of reading:
"at least Spain & Portugal had the excuse of being under Dictatorships"!!
Finland, was part of the Axis! Sweden & Switzerland "fed the crocodile, in the hope that Hitler would eat them last!"
"We didnt get our Independence south of the border fully/officially until 1949" Eh?? It was 1922 eejit, '49 was when we left the Commonwealth!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
Why when Ireland got its independance did the Irish people have to live in such poverty ? I feel Dev was all about ego and power I wish The Big Fella had lived, It would have been a better Ireland
TheBeedo1 6 months ago
So because Catholics hated communists, it was ok for them to love Nazis? BTW, FRANCO sent a compassionate condolence to Germany upon hearing of Hitler's death JUST LIKE DEVALERA. You just can't see it, can you? How about how nearly every country in Europe and South America that is dominated by Catholics is a cesspool? Ireland is about the only Caucasian country in Western Europe that is corrupt and back wards. WHat's wrong with you?
velvet01able 6 months ago
Why did so may Nazi's get to Ireland after the war? I know they went everywhere (incl. scientists to the US), but at least there was a logical purpose for that. The Nazis that went to Ireland were just plain mass murderers and psychopaths. Must be a Catholic thing, as the Nazi's used the "rat line" thru the Vatican to escape to Argentina, etc. Franco (also a Catholic) sent condolences about Hitler as well. Catholics--what the fuck are you thinking?
velvet01able 6 months ago
@velvet01able: Franco was a Catholic? Well, everyone in Spain (atleast then) is nominally Catholic. That is the word for Franco, nominal. You'd do well to remember that Stauffenberg was also a Catholic & hardly a nominal one. As for the "Rat Line" so beloved of anti-catholic bigots like yourself. The Vatican had been smuggling anti-Nazis, including Allied servicemen in Axis controlled Italy all through the war. Also, b/c FDR had given East Europe to Stalin, many needed to be smuggled from there.
VictorLepanto 6 months ago
@velvet01able So let me get this right: it was okay to take in Nazi war criminals as long as there was a 'logical purpose'? What kind of morality is that? Many in the west found common cause with anti-communists as the post-war new world order took shape. It was not a uniquely 'Catholic thing'. Authorities in many nations used anti-communism as an excuse - their 'logical purpose' as you excused it - to keep these war criminals from justice. They kept it secret because KNEW it was wrong!
jratt2 6 months ago
Churchill offered to give De Valera Northern Ireland in exchange for Ireland joining WWII on the Allied side...De Valera made an awful decision in refusing the offer, he could have gotten a united Ireland, but emotion overtook logic
dpinzow 7 months ago
@dpinzow His ego took over
TheBeedo1 6 months ago
@dpinzow He didn`t promise De Valera anything he promised to look into it, the same promise the British made during World War 1, Thousands of Young Irishmen died in WW1 on the promise it would lead to Irish Home Rule yet the British just kept postponing it and sweeping it under the carpet.
1798Greenflag1916 6 months ago 8
@dpinzow the same promise was made (indirectly , maybe directly) during the first war
olliephelan 5 months ago
@dpinzow your a damn fool, Churchill had no power to partition.... do you know how a parliamentary system works? you dumb dumb fool
420Crackdealer 1 week ago
Two things De Valera never seemed to consider: the American government's interests, and specifically, the Irish in America, a very large portion of whom either joined or were conscripted into the American military. The Irish did a lot of fighting and dying--on the American side. Paying personal condolences to the German embassy on news of Hitler's suicide could be the worst piece of PR of the 20th century. It may have been to insult the British, but the Americans felt the insult, too.
Catonian1 8 months ago
I have mixed opinions about whether Dev was good for our country or not. But this documentary I dislike. It is silly. Using one riff, more on Devs side than Churchill's (the victory speech palava) to pan out 60 mins of nonsense theorising. It also reflects the current mode for history documentaries based on tabloid settings, ie. personality clashes, rather than attending to deeper insights. For RTE, like the BBC, its the consequence of the dumbing down of university education towards populism.
flashtrash 9 months ago
dev and adolf , brothers in arms.
garethella 9 months ago
Thanks so much for this post! I'd like to know, will anyone ever do a documentary on WT Cosgrave? He, more than Collins or de Valera is responsible for establishing Eire as a viable democracy in the post-WWI years- a difficult time for democracy as both Fascism and Communism were on the rise. Sure, he jailed Dev for a long time, and executed several in the post-civil war period, but obviously he did something right. Unfortunately, history has all but forgotten him.
lsnows 2 years ago
It papers over the fact that De Valera knowing of the Holocaust and the threat of fascism to all Europe refused to fight.
thoughtly 2 years ago
@thoughtly
No, it glides neatly over that, does it not? Otherwise this is a decent piece of historical documentary!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@thoughtly It was well known that the Jews of Europe were in deep trouble but it would be wrong to say that Dev new about the Holocaust. Nobody understood exactly what was going on, the holocaust was beyond everyones comprehension. It is interesting that in '43 at the Bermuda Conference both the US and the UK refused to anything specific to help the European Jews. The British delegate said that the rescuing of Jews was not a British problem.
jratt2 1 year ago
@jratt2
This argument about helping the jews is a non-starter. How? It was simply not practical. Churchill was very good at simplifying this point by saying the only way to end all the oppression for everyone was to devote all resources singly to destroying the german military on the battle field & he pointed out all Europe's history was decided on the flat lands of northern Europe, that is where the jews fate will be decided. And where were the Irish at Normandy?
flashtrash 9 months ago
@flashtrash
"And where were the Irish at Normandy?"
Well, mostly in the British Army! And I applaud them for it, and for ignoring Dev's fatuous, petty, irrelevant moans that Irish people ought to adhere to Neutrality! The Irish who fought & died did so, because they at least, saw that Nazism was a threat to all right-thinking folk in Europe, not just the English!
While Dev carped from the sidelines, Genocide was being committed, and Dev never saw fit to even CONDEMN it, the c*nt!
DonegalRaymie201 9 months ago
@flashtrash Is it really a non-starter? I wonder how the jews of Hungary felt about that? They could have been rescued up until 1944 by the British. but it was not their 'problem'. Where were the Irish in Normandy? The Irish in Normandy were volunteers in the British forces, as you know Eire was neutral as it did not wish to be involved in a war between the great powers. Such an alliance would have divided the Irish population, as British atrocities in Eire during 1919-22 were so recent.
jratt2 6 months ago