@1963danno i WILL cry in my vanilla latte, purchased in my right-to-work state, thank you very much...and I'll bet I paid a lot less for it than you did! See, here in most states, the wages you get for your skills are based on the MARKET, not artificially-inflated union wages. Try not to cry.
@debunker300 i doubt it. I'll take my excessive wages and send my two girls to college, buy a new car every three or four years, fix up my house and retire someday to the tranquility of the woods
@debunker300 And the unemployed who can't find enough work just to rent a place to live and get off food stamps? What do you suppose they do? Fall asleep so they can dream the American dream like you? They've got just the same "right-to-work" as you do, but how many jobs are there VS the population? How much free money is floating around America right now to start businesses? Who can compete with Walmart? Big business has LAID OFF IT'S CUSTOMERS in case you didn't notice, ponzi scheme whore!
@debunker300 I doubt it , prices here in the midwest are quite reasonable. When the wages were based on the imaginary" market" workers were getting screwed over. Simple shit to understand. If I'm sick i want the best doctor, if i need a car repair i want the most competent mechanic, and if I am building something I want the most skilled, reliable workers I can get that costs money and that's just the way it is.
@debunker300 If they all joined a Union they would have the right to make a decent living, I think that's way better than just, a right-to -work and make your boss rich.
@1963danno let me reiterate, FUCK YOU, UNION THUGS, for artificially inflating wages in what is supposed to be a free market economy. If you want a centralized entity to take care of you because you can't take care of yourselves, move to fucking Cuba. The Castro family will be happy to take care of you.
@1963danno Bingo! You nailed it. It's about as gratuitous as saying the money in the bank is worth as much as the gold that no longer exists or the numbers flying around in cyber space. But, some assholes are too fucking hungry to play King fucking Kong to admit the world doesn't work the way they describe it.
@debunker300 Please look at my last post. You are really a thick-headed knuckle dragger. The company choose to be part of the union, the wage rate is negotiated through collective bargaining and you think somehow it's not fair or legal to the employer. Stay in your right to get fucked over by your employer state. I'll take my union pay over anything i could get in a shitty right to work state
@1963danno And often times people in construction industries/builders/contractors would be insane to hire non-union outfits for skilled trades. They would have some fly-by-night B.S. operation that would mess things up badly. Why can't debunker, the idea clunker with his brain in a concrete bunker, treat skilled tradesmen the same as dentists or lawyers? Sure, they don't have union bosses, but they price fix for their services. So, let those who work in trades do the same. My b.s. meter jumped!
@debunker300 There is a big difference between demand and negotiate. Negotiate means try to reach an agreement or compromise by discussion with others. Demand means an insistent or peremptory request. If we demand too much we are not going to get anything and all the companies will drop out of the union. You are totally wrong sir. With due respect
@debunker300 I need a carpenter, a nurse, a bus driver, a janitor, all MORE than I need any CEO's or administration, or any computer programmer to get through my day. Therefore, they are all worth MORE than the latter said employees. And, the soft palmed assholes who strut around with inflated self-importance can kneel down and eat the peanuts out of my shit.
@debunker300 Yeah we just show up on a construction site and sit in a recliner all day. And if they try to fire me I just file a grievance. You are a complete right-wing asshole, typical of the rich, useless assholes that own this country. Heaven forbid the workers want to get a piece of the pie.
@1963danno He is jealous; he failed shop class. He is putting down people with your skills to try to build himself up. Then, when he figures out he has nothing to stand on, he attempts again, to build himself up and throws out his poison in the direction of someone such as you who disagrees with him and has skills he doesn't have. Pathetic. I hope there's such a thing as reincarnation and he's born into a life of abject slavery. Asshole.
@JoshMan522 hey josh, have you ever actually had to compete against other workers for a wage? No? Didn't think so. That means you get a giant helping of STFU, because you haven't a clue what you're talking about.....
@debunker300 I've had to compete against other workers. I've had many jobs. I bet I've worked harder than you ever have. Ever treeplanted for piecework? I highballed one contract, waking up in the morning, my arms so tired, I couldn't get up off the floor of my tent. I had to wriggle myself, lurch and jackknife myself to get up. Also, when I worked in hotels, bussing tables, every morning I had to wash my face on my knees my back was so sore. Fuck your assumptions. Learn to respect toil.
@debunker300 Just because you fell our wages are too high for your liking does not mean that competition doesn't exist. I have to compete with five thousand other guys who do the same job. While we are all skilled I need to convince my employer that I am more valuable then the next guy, if not I will be out of a job, that's the fact Jack
@debunker300 Who decides what "artificially" inflated is?? Is it you ,are you the wage police for the country??????? The companies that unions have taken advantage of are no longer in business. Who cares if you think the wages are too high for your liking. Why don't you let the companies that are paying the wages decide????
@debunker300 Like most neocon loonies, debunker, the brain clunker, has great envy for union members. He hates the fact that they make good money. And, in turn, great contempt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know he's got daddy issues and is taking it out on everyone else. A crappy childhood, no doubt. Too bad...
@debunker300 If people make more wages, they have more money to spend on goods and services. High wages are good for the economy to a certain degree. However, in this day and age, top CEO's have already made, on this day, being the 2nd day of the year, AS MUCH AS THE AVERAGE WORKER IN THE U.S.A. MAKES IN A YEAR and you're whining about union wages? I don't hear you complaining about the elite's salary for pushing a few papers every year. Asshole. You should know better, you fucking nincompoop.
@debunker300 Woah, woah, woah... little man... you think everyone in America who is getting food stamps right now is doing it because they want to? You think that everyone in this system is going to be able to take care of their own, completely? You think all those single moms on welfare or everyone on hard luck wants to live in their cars or tents? Give me a break.
@debunker300 I'm not the one who writes the contracts, it's between the union and the representatives from the management side. Let them fight it out because it's really not any of your fucking business.
@JoshMan522 i agree 1000 percent, Josh...FUCK those greedy-assed union thugs who demand that shit-scrubbers be paid 15 bucks an hour unless the union strike and picket...
@debunker300 Fact check again. wage rate for a carpenter in 1995 was 19 bucks an hour, now it is around thirty bucks an hour. That's not even 3% per year. Even guys like you probable get at least 4% per year, so what are you arguing about.
@1963danno Guys like him never know if the institutions will overtrain and there will be a glut of his skill in the marketplace, then they can't bid contracts worth shit, or they can't get hired for shit. Meanwhile, sell-out, corporate shills like him, doesn't have the balls to join anyone else to demand they're paid decently. Let this asshole get a couple other p/t jobs sweating his nuts off, then we'll see which side he's on. The rich, or the workers.
@debunker300 Sure, fuck union thugs, of course, but DON'T fuck over the hired help, asshole. They keep things clean, cook food, child care, risk their lives saving people in fires, and do the MOST urgent and important work on the planet.
@1963danno Thanks, I hope debunker, the idea clunker with his brain in a bunker, listens and learns something because his knowledge is shit. And, his wild assumptions are juvenile horseshit.
If I wanted to I could've been a multi-millionaire by now, played the real estate game, but instead, I've chosen a modest life. Doing things that money buy never really interested me that much. I appreciate the small things in life, good friends, good times, great food, fine art, a small house I own and garden which I enjoy. Also, I live with a clean conscience, knowing I haven't taken advantage of anyone. I don't equate success with my wallet size. :)
@1963danno there are definitely differences between us...I'm competing in an open market on a level playing field for what I earn - you're not. I have to prove myself every day or get fired...you don't. I'm a capitalist - you're a commie.
@debunker300 Not to sound disrespectful, but you sound like an alcoholic who sees nothing but black and white, and can't discern finer details. Your belligerence causes you to remain ignorant; you're not learning anything new about the world if you merely paint people with vague terms such as "capitalist" or "commie." There are other choices!
@JoshMan522 not to be disrespectful, but you sound like a retarded gorilla who not only can't see what is black and white and obvious, but can't read or write English. The word "commie" is not VAGUE at all...in fact, it is quite specific and has a very specific meaning, but you apparently aren't smart enough to understand it. when you get your GED, please return to us and we'll have a real conversation, ok? Good luck...
@debunker300 Maybe he's a democratist! And, believes everyone should get a vote on how their workplace is run. Maybe he doesn't believe unions or bosses should tell others what they deserve out of any venture. Those that work to create wealth should benefit equally and not be ripped off. Legal arguments don't trump moral ones. And,yeah, yeah, yeah, I know people work their nuts off to start a business and deserve a little more, but NOT 400X more like is going on today. Surely you can agree..
@1963danno we've already covered this....it was bullshit the first time you said it and it's STILL bullshit. if you're a card-carrying union member, there is very little that will get you fired. i've dealt with you union thugs in the past, and i've seen it up close and personal. you're like the idiots at the driver's license bureau...no matter how awful an employee you are, you'll never be fired.
@debunker300 If the employer can't be fired for doing something wrong, why should the employee? I say "tough luck" if you don't like the fact that union workers can't be indiscriminately fired. Could we see them as mini-corporations? Would that warm you up to the concept of unions? See them as not so much corporate takeover artists, but more as corporate MAKEOVER artists! Heh heh...
@JoshMan522 if the employer is a private employer and does something wrong...he IS fired...by customers. If and employer is a public employer and does something wrong, he IS fired...by the shareholders. And I don't have a problem with the fact that union employees can't be indiscriminately fired; I have a problem with the fact that they can't be fired for CAUSE. i.e., incompetence, drunk on the job, drugs, theft...etc...I've seen firsthand how the union protects their "workers".
@debunker300 I worked union in one hotel one time; people got fired. One time someone was caught stealing so they got fired. Another time, someone slept with a guest. Guess what? They got fired, of course. If anyone was drunk on the job, they'd be fired. What you say is simply not true. I don't know where you get these ideas from that cause you to make such sweeping false statements.
@JoshMan522 i know union workers get fired for outrageous acts, such as theft, etc., but they do NOT get fired for other things like incompetence, laziness, and so on. Union workers are like government workers...it takes an act of God to get a bad one fired. If you're an American, when's the last time you had a GOOD experience at the DMV? Case closed.
@debunker300 Case closed? You wrote earlier: "I have a problem that [union employees] can't be indiscriminately fired; I have a problem with the fact that they can't be fired for CAUSE. i.e., incompetence, drunk on the job, theft...etc..."
Now you've changed your tune to write: "I know union workers get fired for outrageous acts, such as theft, etc., but they don NOT get fired for other things like incompetence..."
@debunker300 As a matter of fact most if not all of the union construction companies require a drug test as a pre-employment requirement. You don't pass you don't work. Also if you get injured on the job you are given a toxicology test to determine if you were impaired when you got hurt. It's a way of weeding out undesirable trades workers
@debunker300 Actually, carpentry and construction takes a lot of mental and physical ability and I sincerely doubt that Danno is an idiot like you suggest. Union construction contracts can be terminated at any time if they don't perform on time and on budget, just like any construction firm, they have to do a good job. I know someone who hired union carpenters to build their house; those guys busted their asses and they knew what they were doing.
Market rate do you know what that is????? Just like a doctor, lawyer, computer programmer or any other occupation. Why is it any different for a skilled tradesperson????? We are professionals as well.I have gone through extensive training and continuing education to keep myself competitive in the marketplace. If your boss finds someone wiling to do your job for much less money how would you feel?????
@1963danno yes, i know exactly what "market rate" is - when you present yourself and your skills to employers and they say to you "this is what we're willing to pay you" - THAT is market rate. Contrast market rate to "Hi, I'm from the union, and if you don't pay me 40 dollars an hour, I'll picket your place of business." That is NOT market rate, that is BLACKMAIL. And as for my boss finding someone else to do my job for less, he has that right in a free market economy.
@debunker300 Hey dicksmack the company became a Union company of their own free will and then they bitch about paying the higher wages. They obviously feel it's a benefit to them to be a Union contractor. Maybe it's the only way to get compwtent help. Also we have no job protections or seniority . If we work hard enough and fast enough we will keep our job if not we are down the road. They don't pay us the higher wages for doing nothing you are totally clueless and an asshole besides
@debunker300 No it isn't. every job on this planet has a value attached to it. I am simply exercising my rights as worker to get as much as I can just like the company tries to make as much as they can. If they weren't making money even with paying higher than average wages then they wouldn't be in business.
@1963danno Yes, there is a lot of bias towards blue collar professionals' labour associations vs white collar professionals' labour associations that have set prices for services.
Stossel says Greed is Good-defined as self interest-for the wealthy if so Greed-self interest- is good for other people the 99%. LITTLE FLAW IN STOSSEL STATEMENT GREED IS GOOD DEFINED AS SELF INTEREST THEN IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE NOT JUST WEALTHY!!!!!
@1963danno fuck you and anyone who thinks like you - you're all pathetic whining moochers and losers...giant pus-filled boils on the ass of society that must be lanced and excised. go out and start your own business like gates and turner did, then come back and tell us what you think about union thugs who demand 20 bucks an hour for shit scrubbers....I'll bet your opinion will have changed.
@debunker300 Must you descend to this style of junior high school, character assassination? If you want to be heard you have to respect people and talk to them like an adult.
@JoshMan522 you've come into this conversation late in the game, but yet you're so fucking arrogant that you think you should tell the conversants how to behave? free clue, moron, I respond to people with respect if they respect me...if they don't, fuck them, and fuck you.
@debunker300 They must be making a profit off their shit scrubbers otherwise they wouldn't employ them. Simple concept even for a simpleton like you. If the business is turning a profit off their workers then the workers have the right to ask for more money or form a union and let the union negotiate for money on their behalf. if the company chooses to honor the union it's their choice.If the workers choose to be members of the union it's their choice also. Sounds like free market to me
@1963danno and no one gets a job without fucking over their employer. that reminds me - please try to remove all the porn from your laptop before your turn it in for servicing.
@debunker300 How is getting a job fucking over an employer????? They hire you because they want to make money off of you. in return they give you a sub-standard wage and crappy benefits, that's some deal for the employee isn't it??????
@1963danno oh please, spare me. most employees these days are fucking worthless. No one forces anyone to take a job, and they all AGREE TO THE PAY OFFERED....but yet they STILL bitch? Why? I don't understand why high-school dropouts with criminal records who can't pass a drug test complain about the pay they get for stocking shelves at Wal-mart. They should be glad to be employed at all.
@debunker300 So if we all agree to 13 cents an hour that would be okay?????We might as well be some useless third world country where the ruler has all the wealth and the peasants have nothing. That's where we are headed because of greedy asshole like you see in this video. How much is enough??????
@1963danno if you AGREE to work a job for 13 cents an hour for pay, a)you're a moron and b)you have no right to bitch about pay you agreed to! Duh??? Your nonsensical "argument" aside, the fact is that the MARKET determines what your skills are worth to an employer, NOT the occupy movement and not you. The MARKET is why doctors get paid more than dishwashers. If you want to get paid more, the formula is simple...learn a skill that the market considers valuable.
@debunker300 I have a skill which I'm sure you don't have, I can build things and create the buildings that assholes like you work in. The problem is that my skills are marginalized by people like you. Every time i turn around they are attacking my wages and benefits and telloing me i make too much. My Union fought to have the wages we have. If employers would just pay people what they are worth we wouldn't need Unions.
By the way i am not in any way part of the occupy movement.
@1963danno "If employers would just pay people what they are worth, we wouldn't need unions." Um, huh? So let me get this straight - you think YOU, the person SEEKING the job from the person who PROVIDES the job should tell the job PROVIDER how much you should earn? That's the way things work in your world? I have to ask, what color is the sky in this world? Do you walk into Best Buy and tell them how much you'll pay for a TV? The MARKET decides what your skills are worth, NOT YOU.
@debunker300 Why is that hard for a person like you to understand. What if an employer thinks my skills are worth two cents an hour and that then becomes the going rate??? Because people want a fair wage that's wrong????? TV's and workers are two different things you moron. Unions level the playing field for the worker. Unions were originally formed to give workers a chance at their American dream not just making money for their boss
@1963danno if your skills don't earn enough in the open market to support yourself, then it is up to you to go learn skills that DO. Part and parcel of what is WRONG with the American economy is how unions have artificially inflated wages to the point that businesses in union states have to go out of business because they can no longer afford to pay shit scrubbers 20 dollars an hour. Your skills and what they are worth should be decided by the MARKET, NOT YOU.
@debunker300 Why is it that " the free market" only pertains to rich company owners. But when the workers of the world want to band together and try to get something for themselves they are thought of as thugs by right wing fucks like you. We still have to go out and earn or pay.
@debunker300 And what if no skills do???? What if all employers decide we are tired of paying living wages and they cut everyones wages. you think your profession would be any less vulnerable than mine????? We would all be fucked and guess what that's what this economy and nation are coming to, it's not too far off.
@debunker300 If the employer has decided of their own free will to be part of the union then they are subject to the terms of the union contract. I think i've stated this point around 5 times throughout the course of this discussion. They are under no obligation to be a union company nor are employees under any obligation to be members of the union. It's freedom of choice on both sides . Do you grasp this, I know you do you don't seem that dumb, or are you????????
@1963danno it may be, but do you think the janitors at the hospital should earn the same salary as the doctors? There are different LEVELS of "value" to the employer, and you know this...or you SHOULD know it, and you're just obfuscating.
@debunker300 If i agree to 13 cents an hour I'm labeled as a moron, but if i join a Union and get a fair wage rate I'm labeled as a thug. Make up your mind asshole.
@1963danno If he had his way, that prick would likely have you sleeping in a closet, wiping his ass and serving him caviar on silver plates while he fed you kitchen scraps. Asshole of the century.
@debunker300 I bust ass as a construction worker fuckstick so don't tell me I'm a looter,moocher, or whiner. I have a decent standard of living cause I work hard, but every time you turn around there a workers in this country getting taken advantage of. The rich own everything and they don't want to share with people like you and me. By the way I shower daily. Your a total asshole and an idiot besides
@1963danno Do you have a house? A car? Then the "rich" do NOT own "everything" do they? The vast majority of millionaires in this country become rich because they took a RISK and plunked their life savings into a business...then they worked 100+ hours a week to make it successful. Stop with the jealousy and go open your own business, or invent something people want to buy and sell it. But for godssakes, quit your fucking pussy-assed, panty-waisted whining you fucking asshat.
@debunker300, but none of these millionaires could have become rich, if there weren't all those "simple" people who worked for them....and who buy their products. The business owners depend on their employees and the employees depend on business owners. So, they should treat each other with respect and be grateful to each other.
@debunker300 They used cheap labor and government loopholes to get rich. They don't want to pay decent wages but yet they don't want to get taxed at a higher rate than the rest of us peasants. They can't have it both ways.
SO right. a new definition is needed. but if you want to ascribe to the old definition of greed, what about the greed of those who selfishly expect others to follow their religious and moral beliefs?
Greed is definitely a vice. It leads to exploitation and wars. Also, a greedy person always suffers from all kinds of other vices as well. Greed is always accompanied by envy, bitterness, inner emptiness, constant blaming and complaining and so on.
@2011rosarot the problem is, no one seems to have the same definition of "greed". Some people, like the occupiers, seem to think that anyone who has more than they need is "greedy". This would necessarily classify nearly all entertainers, actors, and musicians as "greedy" - but since entertainers, actors and musicians usually align themselves with lefty causes and democrats, they get a pass by the occupiers. Come up with an agreed-upon definition of greed, then let's talk.
@JoshMan522, Yes, this documentary is very superficial and unintelligent. I think, John Stossel is an Objectivst and (judging by silly documentaries like this one) Objectivism must be a very silly philosophy. I highly recommend Stoicism instead. Stoicism says that serenity and joy are the goal in life and that reason gets us there. But only humans who are NOT ego-driven can be genuinely rational and happy. That's what the Stoics (Seneca, Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius) taught.
@2011rosarot Thank you very much for the input; I think I'd like to read some of the Stoic's philosophy -- what you wrote is like a Christmas present to me!
@JoshMan522, Thank you :) Stoicism is a philosophy which - unlike Objectivism - has a lot of depth, but it is also very practical and useful. I hope that you'll enjoy reading about it.
Greed is definitely good. You have to consider this word as neutral not with the immoral meaning in the day-to-day language. Greed simply means that a person pursues the best outcome/interest for himself with minimum effort/cost.
@zyonche Greed is any form of hoarding that exploits or injures others unnecessarily. Greed is not good. Efficiency is good; I think that is what you are referring to.
The reason those with the sickness of Greed wont share, is because they have a spiritual disease, called.... Greed.
This is puzzling to many people, but the fact is they run the world because of the fact that they have this disease, people without it have no kind of desire to control everything and monopolize it all for themselves...
Jesus Christ came to serve, not be served... Came to live for his fathers wants, not his own...
"The artist is greedy to create." That is a foolish statement. The drive to do something that one truly enjoys has absolutely nothing to do with greed.
@666or999, being greedy means to desire something that we (at this moment in time) don't posess.....like more money, for instance. Being creative amd doing something that we truly and wholeheartedly enjoy, on the other hand, means joy and satisfaction RIGHT NOW in this very moment. This is the exact opposite of greed.
@2011rosarot, "being greedy means to desire something that we don't possess...like more money..." So, if I want a raise from my employer, I'm greedy? If I invest in stocks and mutual funds, hoping they'll give me a bigger return so that I can better provide for myself and my family, that's greed? Sorry, but no - it isn't. What we're seeing is the substitution of the word "ambition" with "greed" by socialists who despise capitalism, that's all.
@debunker300, asking for a raise from your employer is not greed. Greed means to never be content and satisfied with what we have and to always want more and more and more. Greed basically means being chronically dissatisfied and therefore chronically unhappy and unfulfilled.
@2011rosarot , in my entire working career, I have NEVER been happy with my yearly salary - not saying it wasn't acceptable, but I always wanted it to be higher...and I always wanted, and always accepted my raises when they were given to me. My guess is the vast majority of American workers feel exactly the same way. By your definition, we're all greedy. But you know that we're not. We're human. And It's human nature that drives us to want to improve our lot in life, NOT greed.
@2011rosarot having money is no guarantee of happiness, but being miserably poor pretty much guarantees, well, misery. and the socialism advocated by most of the occutards in these vids is just shared misery. i don't begrudge anyone their income, wealth, possessions, etc., so long as they acquired them legally. frankly, it's no one's damn business.
@debunker300, according to my understanding, socialist want nobody to be miserably poor, but they also want nobody to be excessively rich. That sounds like a good idea. However, because most people suffer from being greedy and always want more and more and more (and dream of becoming excessively rich one day) imposing socialism on them doesn't work. In a saner world, a type of natural socialism/communism would automatically evolve, I think.
@2011rosarot no, it sounds like a HORRIBLE idea. you want the GOVERNMENT to tell you how much profit you can keep from your own efforts, because the rest will be redistributed to people who did nothing to earn it? Fuck that shit. And "suffer from being greedy" - you're talking about people with drive and ambition who wish to succeed in life, right? People who want to achieve financial security for themselves and their families? Why do you think you have a right to STEAL from them?
@debunker300, what exactly is your definition of the word "greed"? If you think that wanting financial security for one's family is "greed", your definition of that word is completely different from mine. And who are the people "who did nothing to earn it"? Do you mean the people who slave away for many hours every day but still hardly earn enough to live a decent life?
@2011rosarot either you can't read or you purposely mis-stated what I said. I DO believe, fervently, that wanting to achieve success and financial security in life is NOT greed. As for my definition of greed, it's this - greed is the continual attempt to take what is not rightfully yours from others. It's the demanding that others pay YOU for things you didn't do. Greed is being in the 47% of people who pay ZERO taxes, and demanding the other 53% pay MORE. THAT is "greed".
@debunker300, ahhhh....interersting. So you DISagree with John Stossel and with this documentary? You think that Stossel*s idea that "greed is good" is wrong?
@2011rosarot i DO think greed is wrong....I don't think people who have failed in life should demand that those who have succeeded in life pay for their failures in life. That's GREED. I think asking someone else to pay YOUR way is GREED. I think that if you pay ZERO taxes, you have absolutely NO right to ask others to pay taxes. To do so would be GREEDY. Understand?
@debunker300, yes, I understand. But Stossel's thesis is that "greed is good" and that the rich people are rich because they are "greedy". That's what this documentary is about. His thesis is: greed is good.
@debunker300, so now I can see that you agree with me. :) You also believe that greed is bad. And whether a poor person is greedy or a rich person is greedy is (of course) completely irrelevant. Greed is a vice.....just like envy, for instance. It leads to unhappiness.
@2011rosarot greed may be bad, it may be good...what if I greedily wish to make as much money as I possibly can investing in the stock market....but then having done so, I use some of that money to open children's hospitals in Africa the way Bill Gates did? I can't agree with you that greed is a vice until you tell me what your definition of greed is.
@debunker300, greed means to always want more and more and more....and to never be satisfied with what we've got. It is a mental disorder, but a very common one. :D Greed is bascially the same as addiction. A greedy person is an unhappy person. For instance, a person who is greedy for food will become obese, unflexible and depressed. And a person who is greedy for money is obsessed with thinking about money, he is envious, he feel like a victim, he remains chronically unhappy and unfulfilled.
@debunker300,......and another important aspect of greed is that it impairs a person's ability to think and act rationally and sensibly. A person is either greedy OR rational. We cannot be both. Being greedy is an irrational emotional state. Rich people are not necessarily greedy. Sometimes, wealth is simply a by-product of being creative. These rich people didn't focus on money and on becoming rich. They just did what they enoyed doing....money was secondary.
@debunker300 Another sociopath among us. NO ONE got rich by themselves. Ben Franklin said of property:
"But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages." You own nothing.
@WhyMeMoFo Wrong. LOTS of people get rich ALL by themselves. I'm one of them. Why? Because in this country, we're afforded something unavailable in most other countries - OPPORTUNITY. Left-wing socialists like you confuse OPPORTUNITY with RESULTS. Just because everyone has the exact same opportunity to become fabulously wealthy doesn't mean everyone will. The sooner you realize this, the better life choices you'll make. Good luck.
@debunker300 "Wrong. LOTS of people get rich ALL by themselves." Nope. Never happened. The reality is that We The People have allowed sociopaths such as yourself to run amok and then pat yourself on the back for your 'accomplishments'. This time is coming to an end. You are a criminal, nothing more. You'll be dealt with appropriately. Criminal.
Greed is a terrible thing, it causes insurance companies to wrong many people for the sake of profit.
insurancegame 1 week ago
Material Greed is bad because material resources are limited.
That's why our planet is so fucked up.
SuperThe86 1 week ago
some you guys sound like marxist.
BleachBoy2D 2 weeks ago
ted turner is sure an annoying assmunch
1963danno 3 weeks ago
WAAAAAAH,BOO HOO, go cry in your vanilla latte. Too bad there isn't a fucking thing you can do about it.
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@1963danno i WILL cry in my vanilla latte, purchased in my right-to-work state, thank you very much...and I'll bet I paid a lot less for it than you did! See, here in most states, the wages you get for your skills are based on the MARKET, not artificially-inflated union wages. Try not to cry.
debunker300 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 i doubt it. I'll take my excessive wages and send my two girls to college, buy a new car every three or four years, fix up my house and retire someday to the tranquility of the woods
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Sorry dude not a fucking thng YOU can do about it
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 And the unemployed who can't find enough work just to rent a place to live and get off food stamps? What do you suppose they do? Fall asleep so they can dream the American dream like you? They've got just the same "right-to-work" as you do, but how many jobs are there VS the population? How much free money is floating around America right now to start businesses? Who can compete with Walmart? Big business has LAID OFF IT'S CUSTOMERS in case you didn't notice, ponzi scheme whore!
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 I doubt it , prices here in the midwest are quite reasonable. When the wages were based on the imaginary" market" workers were getting screwed over. Simple shit to understand. If I'm sick i want the best doctor, if i need a car repair i want the most competent mechanic, and if I am building something I want the most skilled, reliable workers I can get that costs money and that's just the way it is.
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 If they all joined a Union they would have the right to make a decent living, I think that's way better than just, a right-to -work and make your boss rich.
1963danno 3 weeks ago
Let me state again fuck all these rich assholes
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno let me reiterate, FUCK YOU, UNION THUGS, for artificially inflating wages in what is supposed to be a free market economy. If you want a centralized entity to take care of you because you can't take care of yourselves, move to fucking Cuba. The Castro family will be happy to take care of you.
debunker300 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Oh please please pay me less because debunker says so
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@1963danno Oh please, pay me MORE than I'm worth because my union demands it...LOL....
debunker300 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 no no pay me and everyone else whatever shit wage you want so that rich assholes can get ahead
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Show me the your worth this much chart, oh it doesn't exist. The wage is only overinflated because you say it is.
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@1963danno Bingo! You nailed it. It's about as gratuitous as saying the money in the bank is worth as much as the gold that no longer exists or the numbers flying around in cyber space. But, some assholes are too fucking hungry to play King fucking Kong to admit the world doesn't work the way they describe it.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
@JoshMan522 If i meet you someday I will buy you a beer or two
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Please look at my last post. You are really a thick-headed knuckle dragger. The company choose to be part of the union, the wage rate is negotiated through collective bargaining and you think somehow it's not fair or legal to the employer. Stay in your right to get fucked over by your employer state. I'll take my union pay over anything i could get in a shitty right to work state
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@1963danno And often times people in construction industries/builders/contractors would be insane to hire non-union outfits for skilled trades. They would have some fly-by-night B.S. operation that would mess things up badly. Why can't debunker, the idea clunker with his brain in a concrete bunker, treat skilled tradesmen the same as dentists or lawyers? Sure, they don't have union bosses, but they price fix for their services. So, let those who work in trades do the same. My b.s. meter jumped!
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
@JoshMan522 I'm in your corner
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 There is a big difference between demand and negotiate. Negotiate means try to reach an agreement or compromise by discussion with others. Demand means an insistent or peremptory request. If we demand too much we are not going to get anything and all the companies will drop out of the union. You are totally wrong sir. With due respect
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@1963danno He deserves little respect. He doesn't give any, so screw him. He hurled the first stone, anyway.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago 2
@debunker300 I need a carpenter, a nurse, a bus driver, a janitor, all MORE than I need any CEO's or administration, or any computer programmer to get through my day. Therefore, they are all worth MORE than the latter said employees. And, the soft palmed assholes who strut around with inflated self-importance can kneel down and eat the peanuts out of my shit.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 No no really pay me much less because some debunker guy thinks it's prudent
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 They only try and get what they can , it's really not all that much. None of us are getting rich we are just surviving
1963danno 3 weeks ago 4
@debunker300 Yeah we just show up on a construction site and sit in a recliner all day. And if they try to fire me I just file a grievance. You are a complete right-wing asshole, typical of the rich, useless assholes that own this country. Heaven forbid the workers want to get a piece of the pie.
1963danno 3 weeks ago 2
@1963danno He is jealous; he failed shop class. He is putting down people with your skills to try to build himself up. Then, when he figures out he has nothing to stand on, he attempts again, to build himself up and throws out his poison in the direction of someone such as you who disagrees with him and has skills he doesn't have. Pathetic. I hope there's such a thing as reincarnation and he's born into a life of abject slavery. Asshole.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago 2
@JoshMan522 hey josh, have you ever actually had to compete against other workers for a wage? No? Didn't think so. That means you get a giant helping of STFU, because you haven't a clue what you're talking about.....
debunker300 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Jealous,jealous,jealous.jealous
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 I've had to compete against other workers. I've had many jobs. I bet I've worked harder than you ever have. Ever treeplanted for piecework? I highballed one contract, waking up in the morning, my arms so tired, I couldn't get up off the floor of my tent. I had to wriggle myself, lurch and jackknife myself to get up. Also, when I worked in hotels, bussing tables, every morning I had to wash my face on my knees my back was so sore. Fuck your assumptions. Learn to respect toil.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Just because you fell our wages are too high for your liking does not mean that competition doesn't exist. I have to compete with five thousand other guys who do the same job. While we are all skilled I need to convince my employer that I am more valuable then the next guy, if not I will be out of a job, that's the fact Jack
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Who decides what "artificially" inflated is?? Is it you ,are you the wage police for the country??????? The companies that unions have taken advantage of are no longer in business. Who cares if you think the wages are too high for your liking. Why don't you let the companies that are paying the wages decide????
1963danno 3 weeks ago 2
@debunker300 Like most neocon loonies, debunker, the brain clunker, has great envy for union members. He hates the fact that they make good money. And, in turn, great contempt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know he's got daddy issues and is taking it out on everyone else. A crappy childhood, no doubt. Too bad...
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1963danno 3 weeks ago
@JoshMan522 You sir, are a genius
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JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
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@debunker300 If people make more wages, they have more money to spend on goods and services. High wages are good for the economy to a certain degree. However, in this day and age, top CEO's have already made, on this day, being the 2nd day of the year, AS MUCH AS THE AVERAGE WORKER IN THE U.S.A. MAKES IN A YEAR and you're whining about union wages? I don't hear you complaining about the elite's salary for pushing a few papers every year. Asshole. You should know better, you fucking nincompoop.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Woah, woah, woah... little man... you think everyone in America who is getting food stamps right now is doing it because they want to? You think that everyone in this system is going to be able to take care of their own, completely? You think all those single moms on welfare or everyone on hard luck wants to live in their cars or tents? Give me a break.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 I'm not the one who writes the contracts, it's between the union and the representatives from the management side. Let them fight it out because it's really not any of your fucking business.
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@1963danno Fuck 'em and the horses they rode in on, those fucking greedy pieces of used dung.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago 9
@JoshMan522 i agree 1000 percent, Josh...FUCK those greedy-assed union thugs who demand that shit-scrubbers be paid 15 bucks an hour unless the union strike and picket...
debunker300 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Maybe the company is making a profit off their "shit scrubbers" otherwise they wouldn't have hired them in the first place
1963danno 3 weeks ago 2
@debunker300 Fact check again. wage rate for a carpenter in 1995 was 19 bucks an hour, now it is around thirty bucks an hour. That's not even 3% per year. Even guys like you probable get at least 4% per year, so what are you arguing about.
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@1963danno Guys like him never know if the institutions will overtrain and there will be a glut of his skill in the marketplace, then they can't bid contracts worth shit, or they can't get hired for shit. Meanwhile, sell-out, corporate shills like him, doesn't have the balls to join anyone else to demand they're paid decently. Let this asshole get a couple other p/t jobs sweating his nuts off, then we'll see which side he's on. The rich, or the workers.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
@JoshMan522 Pure genius!!!!!!!!!
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Sure, fuck union thugs, of course, but DON'T fuck over the hired help, asshole. They keep things clean, cook food, child care, risk their lives saving people in fires, and do the MOST urgent and important work on the planet.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
@JoshMan522 Thumbs way up!!!!!!!!
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@1963danno Thanks, I hope debunker, the idea clunker with his brain in a bunker, listens and learns something because his knowledge is shit. And, his wild assumptions are juvenile horseshit.
JoshMan522 3 weeks ago
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If I wanted to I could've been a multi-millionaire by now, played the real estate game, but instead, I've chosen a modest life. Doing things that money buy never really interested me that much. I appreciate the small things in life, good friends, good times, great food, fine art, a small house I own and garden which I enjoy. Also, I live with a clean conscience, knowing I haven't taken advantage of anyone. I don't equate success with my wallet size. :)
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1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno there are definitely differences between us...I'm competing in an open market on a level playing field for what I earn - you're not. I have to prove myself every day or get fired...you don't. I'm a capitalist - you're a commie.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 Not to sound disrespectful, but you sound like an alcoholic who sees nothing but black and white, and can't discern finer details. Your belligerence causes you to remain ignorant; you're not learning anything new about the world if you merely paint people with vague terms such as "capitalist" or "commie." There are other choices!
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@JoshMan522 not to be disrespectful, but you sound like a retarded gorilla who not only can't see what is black and white and obvious, but can't read or write English. The word "commie" is not VAGUE at all...in fact, it is quite specific and has a very specific meaning, but you apparently aren't smart enough to understand it. when you get your GED, please return to us and we'll have a real conversation, ok? Good luck...
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 Actually, I got a scholarship while in University but thanks for the insults, anyway.
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@debunker300 Then, I suppose a society that is neither capitalist nor communist can exist and be labelled otherwise.
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@debunker300 Maybe he's a democratist! And, believes everyone should get a vote on how their workplace is run. Maybe he doesn't believe unions or bosses should tell others what they deserve out of any venture. Those that work to create wealth should benefit equally and not be ripped off. Legal arguments don't trump moral ones. And,yeah, yeah, yeah, I know people work their nuts off to start a business and deserve a little more, but NOT 400X more like is going on today. Surely you can agree..
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1963danno 1 month ago
Let me be frank, fuck all these rich assholes
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno I have no problem with that statement. ;-)
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@debunker300 Your wrong, I have to get done what my employer wants or I am out of a job
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno we've already covered this....it was bullshit the first time you said it and it's STILL bullshit. if you're a card-carrying union member, there is very little that will get you fired. i've dealt with you union thugs in the past, and i've seen it up close and personal. you're like the idiots at the driver's license bureau...no matter how awful an employee you are, you'll never be fired.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 They can fire me for any reason. there is no grievance process
1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 You have no idea what you are talking about
1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 Jealous,jealous,jealous
1963danno 1 month ago 2
@debunker300 If the employer can't be fired for doing something wrong, why should the employee? I say "tough luck" if you don't like the fact that union workers can't be indiscriminately fired. Could we see them as mini-corporations? Would that warm you up to the concept of unions? See them as not so much corporate takeover artists, but more as corporate MAKEOVER artists! Heh heh...
JoshMan522 1 month ago 2
@JoshMan522 if the employer is a private employer and does something wrong...he IS fired...by customers. If and employer is a public employer and does something wrong, he IS fired...by the shareholders. And I don't have a problem with the fact that union employees can't be indiscriminately fired; I have a problem with the fact that they can't be fired for CAUSE. i.e., incompetence, drunk on the job, drugs, theft...etc...I've seen firsthand how the union protects their "workers".
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 I worked union in one hotel one time; people got fired. One time someone was caught stealing so they got fired. Another time, someone slept with a guest. Guess what? They got fired, of course. If anyone was drunk on the job, they'd be fired. What you say is simply not true. I don't know where you get these ideas from that cause you to make such sweeping false statements.
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@JoshMan522 i know union workers get fired for outrageous acts, such as theft, etc., but they do NOT get fired for other things like incompetence, laziness, and so on. Union workers are like government workers...it takes an act of God to get a bad one fired. If you're an American, when's the last time you had a GOOD experience at the DMV? Case closed.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 Case closed? You wrote earlier: "I have a problem that [union employees] can't be indiscriminately fired; I have a problem with the fact that they can't be fired for CAUSE. i.e., incompetence, drunk on the job, theft...etc..."
Now you've changed your tune to write: "I know union workers get fired for outrageous acts, such as theft, etc., but they don NOT get fired for other things like incompetence..."
You've contradicted yourself.
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@debunker300 As a matter of fact most if not all of the union construction companies require a drug test as a pre-employment requirement. You don't pass you don't work. Also if you get injured on the job you are given a toxicology test to determine if you were impaired when you got hurt. It's a way of weeding out undesirable trades workers
1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 Actually, carpentry and construction takes a lot of mental and physical ability and I sincerely doubt that Danno is an idiot like you suggest. Union construction contracts can be terminated at any time if they don't perform on time and on budget, just like any construction firm, they have to do a good job. I know someone who hired union carpenters to build their house; those guys busted their asses and they knew what they were doing.
JoshMan522 1 month ago 2
@JoshMan522 Thank You so much ,have a very good holiday season!!!!!!!!!!!!
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno Happy holidays. Check out my last comment to "debunker." The guy totally contradicted himself re: union members dismissals.
JoshMan522 1 month ago
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1963danno 1 month ago
"All your money won't another minute buy"
1963danno 1 month ago
Fuck all these rich fucks
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno Ha ha ha haaa!
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@debunker300 Wow that is totally original
1963danno 1 month ago
Market rate do you know what that is????? Just like a doctor, lawyer, computer programmer or any other occupation. Why is it any different for a skilled tradesperson????? We are professionals as well.I have gone through extensive training and continuing education to keep myself competitive in the marketplace. If your boss finds someone wiling to do your job for much less money how would you feel?????
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno yes, i know exactly what "market rate" is - when you present yourself and your skills to employers and they say to you "this is what we're willing to pay you" - THAT is market rate. Contrast market rate to "Hi, I'm from the union, and if you don't pay me 40 dollars an hour, I'll picket your place of business." That is NOT market rate, that is BLACKMAIL. And as for my boss finding someone else to do my job for less, he has that right in a free market economy.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 Hey dicksmack the company became a Union company of their own free will and then they bitch about paying the higher wages. They obviously feel it's a benefit to them to be a Union contractor. Maybe it's the only way to get compwtent help. Also we have no job protections or seniority . If we work hard enough and fast enough we will keep our job if not we are down the road. They don't pay us the higher wages for doing nothing you are totally clueless and an asshole besides
1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 No it isn't. every job on this planet has a value attached to it. I am simply exercising my rights as worker to get as much as I can just like the company tries to make as much as they can. If they weren't making money even with paying higher than average wages then they wouldn't be in business.
1963danno 1 month ago
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1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno Yes, there is a lot of bias towards blue collar professionals' labour associations vs white collar professionals' labour associations that have set prices for services.
JoshMan522 1 month ago
Stossel says Greed is Good-defined as self interest-for the wealthy if so Greed-self interest- is good for other people the 99%. LITTLE FLAW IN STOSSEL STATEMENT GREED IS GOOD DEFINED AS SELF INTEREST THEN IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYONE NOT JUST WEALTHY!!!!!
FireflyMalcolm 1 month ago
Fuck Ted Turner and Bill Gates ,they are all rich assholes
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno fuck you and anyone who thinks like you - you're all pathetic whining moochers and losers...giant pus-filled boils on the ass of society that must be lanced and excised. go out and start your own business like gates and turner did, then come back and tell us what you think about union thugs who demand 20 bucks an hour for shit scrubbers....I'll bet your opinion will have changed.
debunker300 1 month ago
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1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 Try to live on twenty bucks an hour nowadays
1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 Must you descend to this style of junior high school, character assassination? If you want to be heard you have to respect people and talk to them like an adult.
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@JoshMan522 you've come into this conversation late in the game, but yet you're so fucking arrogant that you think you should tell the conversants how to behave? free clue, moron, I respond to people with respect if they respect me...if they don't, fuck them, and fuck you.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 "Roar, roar" like a dungeon dragon... ha ha ha! Have fun, but don't pop an artery while you're busy raging against strangers!
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@debunker300 They must be making a profit off their shit scrubbers otherwise they wouldn't employ them. Simple concept even for a simpleton like you. If the business is turning a profit off their workers then the workers have the right to ask for more money or form a union and let the union negotiate for money on their behalf. if the company chooses to honor the union it's their choice.If the workers choose to be members of the union it's their choice also. Sounds like free market to me
1963danno 3 weeks ago
"Behind every great fortune there is a great crime" No one gets this rich without fucking over someone else
1963danno 2 months ago 4
@1963danno and no one gets a job without fucking over their employer. that reminds me - please try to remove all the porn from your laptop before your turn it in for servicing.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 How is getting a job fucking over an employer????? They hire you because they want to make money off of you. in return they give you a sub-standard wage and crappy benefits, that's some deal for the employee isn't it??????
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno oh please, spare me. most employees these days are fucking worthless. No one forces anyone to take a job, and they all AGREE TO THE PAY OFFERED....but yet they STILL bitch? Why? I don't understand why high-school dropouts with criminal records who can't pass a drug test complain about the pay they get for stocking shelves at Wal-mart. They should be glad to be employed at all.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 You are more than likely one of the worthless ones.
1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 So if we all agree to 13 cents an hour that would be okay?????We might as well be some useless third world country where the ruler has all the wealth and the peasants have nothing. That's where we are headed because of greedy asshole like you see in this video. How much is enough??????
1963danno 1 month ago 2
@1963danno if you AGREE to work a job for 13 cents an hour for pay, a)you're a moron and b)you have no right to bitch about pay you agreed to! Duh??? Your nonsensical "argument" aside, the fact is that the MARKET determines what your skills are worth to an employer, NOT the occupy movement and not you. The MARKET is why doctors get paid more than dishwashers. If you want to get paid more, the formula is simple...learn a skill that the market considers valuable.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 I have a skill which I'm sure you don't have, I can build things and create the buildings that assholes like you work in. The problem is that my skills are marginalized by people like you. Every time i turn around they are attacking my wages and benefits and telloing me i make too much. My Union fought to have the wages we have. If employers would just pay people what they are worth we wouldn't need Unions.
By the way i am not in any way part of the occupy movement.
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno "If employers would just pay people what they are worth, we wouldn't need unions." Um, huh? So let me get this straight - you think YOU, the person SEEKING the job from the person who PROVIDES the job should tell the job PROVIDER how much you should earn? That's the way things work in your world? I have to ask, what color is the sky in this world? Do you walk into Best Buy and tell them how much you'll pay for a TV? The MARKET decides what your skills are worth, NOT YOU.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 Why is that hard for a person like you to understand. What if an employer thinks my skills are worth two cents an hour and that then becomes the going rate??? Because people want a fair wage that's wrong????? TV's and workers are two different things you moron. Unions level the playing field for the worker. Unions were originally formed to give workers a chance at their American dream not just making money for their boss
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno if your skills don't earn enough in the open market to support yourself, then it is up to you to go learn skills that DO. Part and parcel of what is WRONG with the American economy is how unions have artificially inflated wages to the point that businesses in union states have to go out of business because they can no longer afford to pay shit scrubbers 20 dollars an hour. Your skills and what they are worth should be decided by the MARKET, NOT YOU.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 Why is it that " the free market" only pertains to rich company owners. But when the workers of the world want to band together and try to get something for themselves they are thought of as thugs by right wing fucks like you. We still have to go out and earn or pay.
1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 And what if no skills do???? What if all employers decide we are tired of paying living wages and they cut everyones wages. you think your profession would be any less vulnerable than mine????? We would all be fucked and guess what that's what this economy and nation are coming to, it's not too far off.
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 No i do
1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 If the employer has decided of their own free will to be part of the union then they are subject to the terms of the union contract. I think i've stated this point around 5 times throughout the course of this discussion. They are under no obligation to be a union company nor are employees under any obligation to be members of the union. It's freedom of choice on both sides . Do you grasp this, I know you do you don't seem that dumb, or are you????????
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@debunker300 Huh????????
1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 Any skill that makes a profit for an employer is valuable
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno it may be, but do you think the janitors at the hospital should earn the same salary as the doctors? There are different LEVELS of "value" to the employer, and you know this...or you SHOULD know it, and you're just obfuscating.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 If i agree to 13 cents an hour I'm labeled as a moron, but if i join a Union and get a fair wage rate I'm labeled as a thug. Make up your mind asshole.
1963danno 3 weeks ago
@1963danno If he had his way, that prick would likely have you sleeping in a closet, wiping his ass and serving him caviar on silver plates while he fed you kitchen scraps. Asshole of the century.
JoshMan522 2 weeks ago
@JoshMan522 Thanks Josh!!!!!!
1963danno 2 weeks ago
@debunker300 Spellcheck????
1963danno 1 month ago
Fuck all these rich pricks
1963danno 2 months ago
@1963danno Fuck you looters, moochers and whiners. Bathe and get a fucking job.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 No worries Criminal, We are coming for you!
WhyMeMoFo 1 month ago
@debunker300 I bust ass as a construction worker fuckstick so don't tell me I'm a looter,moocher, or whiner. I have a decent standard of living cause I work hard, but every time you turn around there a workers in this country getting taken advantage of. The rich own everything and they don't want to share with people like you and me. By the way I shower daily. Your a total asshole and an idiot besides
1963danno 1 month ago
@1963danno Do you have a house? A car? Then the "rich" do NOT own "everything" do they? The vast majority of millionaires in this country become rich because they took a RISK and plunked their life savings into a business...then they worked 100+ hours a week to make it successful. Stop with the jealousy and go open your own business, or invent something people want to buy and sell it. But for godssakes, quit your fucking pussy-assed, panty-waisted whining you fucking asshat.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300, but none of these millionaires could have become rich, if there weren't all those "simple" people who worked for them....and who buy their products. The business owners depend on their employees and the employees depend on business owners. So, they should treat each other with respect and be grateful to each other.
2011rosarot 1 month ago
@debunker300 They used cheap labor and government loopholes to get rich. They don't want to pay decent wages but yet they don't want to get taxed at a higher rate than the rest of us peasants. They can't have it both ways.
1963danno 1 month ago 2
@debunker300 Oh but they do, They own you me and everyone in between. You think we really have economic freedom, guess again.
1963danno 3 weeks ago
SO right. a new definition is needed. but if you want to ascribe to the old definition of greed, what about the greed of those who selfishly expect others to follow their religious and moral beliefs?
theAbeElement 2 months ago
Anyone who advocates for greed belongs in an asylum, or expelled.
WhyMeMoFo 2 months ago
Greed is definitely a vice. It leads to exploitation and wars. Also, a greedy person always suffers from all kinds of other vices as well. Greed is always accompanied by envy, bitterness, inner emptiness, constant blaming and complaining and so on.
2011rosarot 2 months ago
@2011rosarot the problem is, no one seems to have the same definition of "greed". Some people, like the occupiers, seem to think that anyone who has more than they need is "greedy". This would necessarily classify nearly all entertainers, actors, and musicians as "greedy" - but since entertainers, actors and musicians usually align themselves with lefty causes and democrats, they get a pass by the occupiers. Come up with an agreed-upon definition of greed, then let's talk.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 Greed is any form of hoarding that exploits or injures others unnecessarily.
JoshMan522 1 month ago 4
@2011rosarot Very good points. This film series doesn't properly address these issues does it?
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@JoshMan522, Yes, this documentary is very superficial and unintelligent. I think, John Stossel is an Objectivst and (judging by silly documentaries like this one) Objectivism must be a very silly philosophy. I highly recommend Stoicism instead. Stoicism says that serenity and joy are the goal in life and that reason gets us there. But only humans who are NOT ego-driven can be genuinely rational and happy. That's what the Stoics (Seneca, Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius) taught.
2011rosarot 1 month ago
@2011rosarot Thank you very much for the input; I think I'd like to read some of the Stoic's philosophy -- what you wrote is like a Christmas present to me!
JoshMan522 1 month ago
@JoshMan522, Thank you :) Stoicism is a philosophy which - unlike Objectivism - has a lot of depth, but it is also very practical and useful. I hope that you'll enjoy reading about it.
2011rosarot 1 month ago
Greed is definitely good. You have to consider this word as neutral not with the immoral meaning in the day-to-day language. Greed simply means that a person pursues the best outcome/interest for himself with minimum effort/cost.
zyonche 2 months ago
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@zyonche Greed is any form of hoarding that exploits or injures others unnecessarily. Greed is not good. Efficiency is good; I think that is what you are referring to.
JoshMan522 1 month ago
The people on the video are not the problem, it is politics, banks, and bail-outs
GRT3307 2 months ago
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2011rosarot 2 months ago
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2011rosarot 2 months ago
240p, it's like being in 1999 all over again!
rebilacx 2 months ago
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MatttthewF 3 months ago
Greed seems to be a problem.
KrfNYC2 3 months ago
The reason those with the sickness of Greed wont share, is because they have a spiritual disease, called.... Greed.
This is puzzling to many people, but the fact is they run the world because of the fact that they have this disease, people without it have no kind of desire to control everything and monopolize it all for themselves...
Jesus Christ came to serve, not be served... Came to live for his fathers wants, not his own...
This is the only way...
Any other way... is the path to dis-ease
carolinagsings77 3 months ago
"The artist is greedy to create." That is a foolish statement. The drive to do something that one truly enjoys has absolutely nothing to do with greed.
2011rosarot 4 months ago
@2011rosarot 'greed/grēd/
Noun: Intense and selfish desire for something,' oh rly
666or999 3 months ago
@666or999, being greedy means to desire something that we (at this moment in time) don't posess.....like more money, for instance. Being creative amd doing something that we truly and wholeheartedly enjoy, on the other hand, means joy and satisfaction RIGHT NOW in this very moment. This is the exact opposite of greed.
2011rosarot 3 months ago
@2011rosarot, "being greedy means to desire something that we don't possess...like more money..." So, if I want a raise from my employer, I'm greedy? If I invest in stocks and mutual funds, hoping they'll give me a bigger return so that I can better provide for myself and my family, that's greed? Sorry, but no - it isn't. What we're seeing is the substitution of the word "ambition" with "greed" by socialists who despise capitalism, that's all.
debunker300 2 months ago in playlist Greed with John Stossel
@debunker300, asking for a raise from your employer is not greed. Greed means to never be content and satisfied with what we have and to always want more and more and more. Greed basically means being chronically dissatisfied and therefore chronically unhappy and unfulfilled.
2011rosarot 2 months ago
@2011rosarot , in my entire working career, I have NEVER been happy with my yearly salary - not saying it wasn't acceptable, but I always wanted it to be higher...and I always wanted, and always accepted my raises when they were given to me. My guess is the vast majority of American workers feel exactly the same way. By your definition, we're all greedy. But you know that we're not. We're human. And It's human nature that drives us to want to improve our lot in life, NOT greed.
debunker300 2 months ago
@debunker300 Yes, if you think that having as much money as possible leads to happiness, you probably believe what many or most people believe.
2011rosarot 2 months ago
@2011rosarot having money is no guarantee of happiness, but being miserably poor pretty much guarantees, well, misery. and the socialism advocated by most of the occutards in these vids is just shared misery. i don't begrudge anyone their income, wealth, possessions, etc., so long as they acquired them legally. frankly, it's no one's damn business.
debunker300 2 months ago
@debunker300, according to my understanding, socialist want nobody to be miserably poor, but they also want nobody to be excessively rich. That sounds like a good idea. However, because most people suffer from being greedy and always want more and more and more (and dream of becoming excessively rich one day) imposing socialism on them doesn't work. In a saner world, a type of natural socialism/communism would automatically evolve, I think.
2011rosarot 2 months ago
@2011rosarot no, it sounds like a HORRIBLE idea. you want the GOVERNMENT to tell you how much profit you can keep from your own efforts, because the rest will be redistributed to people who did nothing to earn it? Fuck that shit. And "suffer from being greedy" - you're talking about people with drive and ambition who wish to succeed in life, right? People who want to achieve financial security for themselves and their families? Why do you think you have a right to STEAL from them?
debunker300 2 months ago
@debunker300, what exactly is your definition of the word "greed"? If you think that wanting financial security for one's family is "greed", your definition of that word is completely different from mine. And who are the people "who did nothing to earn it"? Do you mean the people who slave away for many hours every day but still hardly earn enough to live a decent life?
2011rosarot 2 months ago
@2011rosarot either you can't read or you purposely mis-stated what I said. I DO believe, fervently, that wanting to achieve success and financial security in life is NOT greed. As for my definition of greed, it's this - greed is the continual attempt to take what is not rightfully yours from others. It's the demanding that others pay YOU for things you didn't do. Greed is being in the 47% of people who pay ZERO taxes, and demanding the other 53% pay MORE. THAT is "greed".
debunker300 2 months ago
@debunker300, ahhhh....interersting. So you DISagree with John Stossel and with this documentary? You think that Stossel*s idea that "greed is good" is wrong?
2011rosarot 2 months ago
@2011rosarot i DO think greed is wrong....I don't think people who have failed in life should demand that those who have succeeded in life pay for their failures in life. That's GREED. I think asking someone else to pay YOUR way is GREED. I think that if you pay ZERO taxes, you have absolutely NO right to ask others to pay taxes. To do so would be GREEDY. Understand?
debunker300 2 months ago
@debunker300, yes, I understand. But Stossel's thesis is that "greed is good" and that the rich people are rich because they are "greedy". That's what this documentary is about. His thesis is: greed is good.
2011rosarot 2 months ago
@debunker300, so now I can see that you agree with me. :) You also believe that greed is bad. And whether a poor person is greedy or a rich person is greedy is (of course) completely irrelevant. Greed is a vice.....just like envy, for instance. It leads to unhappiness.
2011rosarot 2 months ago
@2011rosarot greed may be bad, it may be good...what if I greedily wish to make as much money as I possibly can investing in the stock market....but then having done so, I use some of that money to open children's hospitals in Africa the way Bill Gates did? I can't agree with you that greed is a vice until you tell me what your definition of greed is.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300, greed means to always want more and more and more....and to never be satisfied with what we've got. It is a mental disorder, but a very common one. :D Greed is bascially the same as addiction. A greedy person is an unhappy person. For instance, a person who is greedy for food will become obese, unflexible and depressed. And a person who is greedy for money is obsessed with thinking about money, he is envious, he feel like a victim, he remains chronically unhappy and unfulfilled.
2011rosarot 1 month ago
@debunker300,......and another important aspect of greed is that it impairs a person's ability to think and act rationally and sensibly. A person is either greedy OR rational. We cannot be both. Being greedy is an irrational emotional state. Rich people are not necessarily greedy. Sometimes, wealth is simply a by-product of being creative. These rich people didn't focus on money and on becoming rich. They just did what they enoyed doing....money was secondary.
2011rosarot 1 month ago
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@debunker300 I s it good or bad, make up your fucking mind
1963danno 1 month ago
@debunker300 Another sociopath among us. NO ONE got rich by themselves. Ben Franklin said of property:
"But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages." You own nothing.
WhyMeMoFo 2 months ago
@WhyMeMoFo Wrong. LOTS of people get rich ALL by themselves. I'm one of them. Why? Because in this country, we're afforded something unavailable in most other countries - OPPORTUNITY. Left-wing socialists like you confuse OPPORTUNITY with RESULTS. Just because everyone has the exact same opportunity to become fabulously wealthy doesn't mean everyone will. The sooner you realize this, the better life choices you'll make. Good luck.
debunker300 1 month ago
@debunker300 "Wrong. LOTS of people get rich ALL by themselves." Nope. Never happened. The reality is that We The People have allowed sociopaths such as yourself to run amok and then pat yourself on the back for your 'accomplishments'. This time is coming to an end. You are a criminal, nothing more. You'll be dealt with appropriately. Criminal.
WhyMeMoFo 1 month ago
@debunker300 If you were that rich you wouldn't be on You Tube
1963danno 1 month ago
@WhyMeMoFo Awesome tell this debunker asshole where it's at
1963danno 1 month ago