@mansuliu he hits with tons of topspin if you take his grip into consideration... but its not the 2nd most topspin on tour, by far not... federer does hit relatively flat. You wont find many spaniards hitting with less topspin than him at all
@affenkeks At some point they measured the rpms of a bunch of players. Fed hit with twice as many as the avg, Nadal 4 times as many. But then, the only time I ever heard this was during an NBC broadcast, so who knows.
@mikatagahara1212 To be honest, i dont have any facts or data to prove my point, but just by looking at federers game i belive one can see that hes not hitting as extremely upwards, but more through the ball. I, aswell as federer, play an eastern forehand and i admit that its not that much harder to generate topspin with it as with a semi-western, but it just allawys feels awkward to hit heavy topspin with it ;)
@affenkeks fed does come in second with revolutions on the ball yes that is proven, but he also hits more with hard pace than spin.
his racket head speed is what is getting him to generate so much spin on the ball but he's still hitting a stroke which hits deep penetrating hard paced shots.
@YaMumYaNanYaGran He doesn't finish high, but behind his back. Because of his loose wrist, he still generates lots of top spin by brushing up against the ball. One could say low to high in the traditionally taught stroke has less to do with topspin and more to do with traditional technique.
Interesting how Federer pauses at some point during his stroke. Of course, from a physics standpoint this makes sense, because the pause allows a build up of intertia which then allows for his incredible racquet head acceleration.
That's not entirely correct, in physics, a build up of inertia can occur from a continuous swing which increases in acceleration...take a drive in golf for example. In tennis anyway, that pause is the final preparation before hitting the ball. The tennis swing occurs in two stages, bringing the racquet back with the full arm (measuing the contact point) then driving through the ball with the arm (the forearm and wrist are pronounced).
Yeah, that's just him accelerating in the opposite direction of his backswing. You know, like you pull back, then swing out, there's a slight pause in between because you're accelerating in the opposite direction and that gives you a moment of zero velocity.
The perceived pause is due to the the fact that Federer does not hit with the classical forehand form.
The classical forehand generates power much more earlier in the swing than Federer's forehand.
Federer's forehand is a straight arm pull and the real racket head speed comes the instant before impact, much much later than the classical forehand picks up speed.
With the effectiveness of Federer's forehand using the straight arm pull, we might have a new "classic" forehand in the making.
Check out 0:45 where Fed hits a forehand that was higher than the other shots.
This is probably the best example of the straight arm pull forehand that he uses.
The path of the racket is a complete figure 8. It's gorgeous! But you can only achieve the path naturally if you use the straight arm pull that requires late speed rather than early speed, thus the perceived "pause" you talked about.
Classic forehand, the speed dies much earlier & won't force the later half of the figure 8 path.
also notice how federer will allow the racquet head to continue to slowly decelerate when he finishes the stroke. alot of players during the follow through finish, they suddently stop the racquet (like andy roddick) federer doesnt make a sudden stop when he finishes his stroke. notice how the racquet is loose and does not come to a complete stop. (this happens when you have a loose grip, (only have a tight grip at impact or split second before impact.
Well spotted! The tail-end of his follow through is very natural with it's own snake-type dip. Mechanically, it's probably the most efficient forehand the body can produce and remain injury free. It has to be a classic from a coaching point of view.
See where Federer is and where they are. Which forehand is most feared? Even at 27 y.o., no player attack there if he has physically a chance to get to the ball.
You better make him move until hsi backhand opens, but at the same time, if he gets to the ball, you'd better be ready.
With Federer, you have to give him hard and high balls, never play with angles unless it's the last shot you do and avoid his forehand.
Federer and alot of top players also know how to hold the ball a split second longer than just regular recreational players.he does this by lagging the racquet head behind the wrist. (another words he cocks the wrist back and knows how to drag the ball with alot of power. HE ALSO has the ability to sort of drag it and pull in the stroke. PULLING IN IS THE KEY TO THE MODERN FOREHAND (notice his racquet head is always behind him when he finishes the stroke.
my friend was a tour coach. one of the things that allows federer to control his strokes is where he hits the ball. he doesnt just hit the ball straight on, he hits the OUTSIDE EDGE of the ball. if you trying doing this you get alot more feel. AND ALSO the key is that he PULLS-IN once he extends. pulling in will allow the ball to come back in the court.
Hey Yoshi. The reason he doesn't spray them is because he ISN'T slapping his forehand. That's a big reason it's tough for normal players to emulate the pros. We try to copy strokes based on appearance without understanding the actual stroke mechanics.
This might be a stupid comment, but the thing I don't understand is that Div. 1 players can rally back on forth forever during practice. Why can pros only rally like 12 balls max when they warm up?
No. I know of division 2 players that play challengers in the summer and are successful. I also know D1 players who are NO fed/ rafa but are still competitive pro players.
lol are you a cllege player lol. umm pros can hit a million balls in a row if they were to drop the level o play to d1 level. do u think 1 on those guys could ever in a million years beat a pro.
Actually they can beat pros, those are the D1 kids that go pro. And not anyone in top 1000 will be the top D1 player. You are definitely underestimating their tennis abilities
man just see his footwork..ball contact.. and esp when he hits the backhand... where he starts the stroke and where it ends it..its in full..complete swing...
awesome back slices..
geekyogi 6 months ago
Great angles.
dura1mater 1 year ago
He can hit a slice harder than I hit a forehand.
TheBig1dea 1 year ago 3
hmmm i guess if you play a game, and just focus on groundstroke. and let the opponent fire his/her shot that can be an error.
supertrex2 1 year ago
Roger,beat Nadal and be No.1 again!!!!!We support you!!
gamaniaj 1 year ago
so beautifu stroke style
alabamasouls 1 year ago
so beautiful stroke style
alabamasouls 1 year ago
His forehand seem to be higher and flatter than most peoples. Most people are taught to start low and finish high???
His seems to go straight through in one plain. It looks awesome.
YaMumYaNanYaGran 2 years ago
@YaMumYaNanYaGran FLAT? federer hits the ball with so much top spin 2nd to only nadal..
mansuliu 1 year ago 11
@mansuliu 4000 rpm if im not mistaken
martiniho12 1 year ago
@mansuliu he hits with tons of topspin if you take his grip into consideration... but its not the 2nd most topspin on tour, by far not... federer does hit relatively flat. You wont find many spaniards hitting with less topspin than him at all
affenkeks 1 year ago
@affenkeks At some point they measured the rpms of a bunch of players. Fed hit with twice as many as the avg, Nadal 4 times as many. But then, the only time I ever heard this was during an NBC broadcast, so who knows.
mikatagahara1212 1 year ago
@mikatagahara1212 To be honest, i dont have any facts or data to prove my point, but just by looking at federers game i belive one can see that hes not hitting as extremely upwards, but more through the ball. I, aswell as federer, play an eastern forehand and i admit that its not that much harder to generate topspin with it as with a semi-western, but it just allawys feels awkward to hit heavy topspin with it ;)
affenkeks 1 year ago
@affenkeks fed does come in second with revolutions on the ball yes that is proven, but he also hits more with hard pace than spin.
his racket head speed is what is getting him to generate so much spin on the ball but he's still hitting a stroke which hits deep penetrating hard paced shots.
cj397 11 months ago
@YaMumYaNanYaGran He doesn't finish high, but behind his back. Because of his loose wrist, he still generates lots of top spin by brushing up against the ball. One could say low to high in the traditionally taught stroke has less to do with topspin and more to do with traditional technique.
topspin4hand 1 year ago
Roger love
federerbestclass 2 years ago
@federerbestclass Gay comment. Please use your brain a bit
gigatron4 1 year ago
Nice stroke Rog
supertrex2 2 years ago
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they can beat pros but not roger federer or me.. cuz im gunna be number 1 in the world someday
blackknight1129 2 years ago
you're wrong...I am gonna be best in the world.....
ervan141 2 years ago
Gheesh, the guy can attract crowds when he's just warming up.
Samprasisthebest 2 years ago
Interesting how Federer pauses at some point during his stroke. Of course, from a physics standpoint this makes sense, because the pause allows a build up of intertia which then allows for his incredible racquet head acceleration.
Samprasisthebest 2 years ago
That's not entirely correct, in physics, a build up of inertia can occur from a continuous swing which increases in acceleration...take a drive in golf for example. In tennis anyway, that pause is the final preparation before hitting the ball. The tennis swing occurs in two stages, bringing the racquet back with the full arm (measuing the contact point) then driving through the ball with the arm (the forearm and wrist are pronounced).
xman4un 2 years ago 2
Well said.
Samprasisthebest 2 years ago 2
Yeah, that's just him accelerating in the opposite direction of his backswing. You know, like you pull back, then swing out, there's a slight pause in between because you're accelerating in the opposite direction and that gives you a moment of zero velocity.
asdfuogh 2 years ago
The perceived pause is due to the the fact that Federer does not hit with the classical forehand form.
The classical forehand generates power much more earlier in the swing than Federer's forehand.
Federer's forehand is a straight arm pull and the real racket head speed comes the instant before impact, much much later than the classical forehand picks up speed.
With the effectiveness of Federer's forehand using the straight arm pull, we might have a new "classic" forehand in the making.
miltyu97 2 years ago
Check out 0:45 where Fed hits a forehand that was higher than the other shots.
This is probably the best example of the straight arm pull forehand that he uses.
The path of the racket is a complete figure 8. It's gorgeous! But you can only achieve the path naturally if you use the straight arm pull that requires late speed rather than early speed, thus the perceived "pause" you talked about.
Classic forehand, the speed dies much earlier & won't force the later half of the figure 8 path.
miltyu97 2 years ago
1:49 another "figure 8" path?
imnew2 2 years ago
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Yup. You have to accelerate very late and have a spaghetti-loose arm. Oh and the Eastern grip helps cause this racket path too.
miltyu97 2 years ago
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Federer esta acabado.-
kikibaumm 2 years ago
also notice how federer will allow the racquet head to continue to slowly decelerate when he finishes the stroke. alot of players during the follow through finish, they suddently stop the racquet (like andy roddick) federer doesnt make a sudden stop when he finishes his stroke. notice how the racquet is loose and does not come to a complete stop. (this happens when you have a loose grip, (only have a tight grip at impact or split second before impact.
cyrusgreg 2 years ago
Well spotted! The tail-end of his follow through is very natural with it's own snake-type dip. Mechanically, it's probably the most efficient forehand the body can produce and remain injury free. It has to be a classic from a coaching point of view.
MattScottUK 2 years ago
it also allows for the extension of the shot. players like monfils and simon have pretty much no extension
fedfan118 2 years ago
See where Federer is and where they are. Which forehand is most feared? Even at 27 y.o., no player attack there if he has physically a chance to get to the ball.
You better make him move until hsi backhand opens, but at the same time, if he gets to the ball, you'd better be ready.
With Federer, you have to give him hard and high balls, never play with angles unless it's the last shot you do and avoid his forehand.
GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
Federer and alot of top players also know how to hold the ball a split second longer than just regular recreational players.he does this by lagging the racquet head behind the wrist. (another words he cocks the wrist back and knows how to drag the ball with alot of power. HE ALSO has the ability to sort of drag it and pull in the stroke. PULLING IN IS THE KEY TO THE MODERN FOREHAND (notice his racquet head is always behind him when he finishes the stroke.
cyrusgreg 2 years ago
Good point ..
MattScottUK 2 years ago
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GueorguiJoukov 2 years ago
my friend was a tour coach. one of the things that allows federer to control his strokes is where he hits the ball. he doesnt just hit the ball straight on, he hits the OUTSIDE EDGE of the ball. if you trying doing this you get alot more feel. AND ALSO the key is that he PULLS-IN once he extends. pulling in will allow the ball to come back in the court.
cyrusgreg 2 years ago
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nadal even practices better than federer, total ownage!
stealthpakfa 3 years ago
holy shit racquet speed~
erosennin4203 3 years ago 2
LOL I know right? xD
kenufeelthamusic 3 years ago
Pow Pow Pow Pow, what a practice partner for roger..
E121C 2 years ago
those are some sexy backhands
KoreanMilkman2007 3 years ago 2
Hey Yoshi. The reason he doesn't spray them is because he ISN'T slapping his forehand. That's a big reason it's tough for normal players to emulate the pros. We try to copy strokes based on appearance without understanding the actual stroke mechanics.
daraemkar 3 years ago
how does fed not spray everything with his slap forehand...
YoshiRza 3 years ago
This might be a stupid comment, but the thing I don't understand is that Div. 1 players can rally back on forth forever during practice. Why can pros only rally like 12 balls max when they warm up?
oneguy23 3 years ago
Pressure, feeling out the other guy on the court, its a culmination of other stuff.
Obviously D1 players would get killed by anyone top 1000 in the tour.
Hal5050 3 years ago 2
No. I know of division 2 players that play challengers in the summer and are successful. I also know D1 players who are NO fed/ rafa but are still competitive pro players.
cooldaddy6567 2 years ago
lol are you a cllege player lol. umm pros can hit a million balls in a row if they were to drop the level o play to d1 level. do u think 1 on those guys could ever in a million years beat a pro.
blackknight1129 2 years ago
Actually they can beat pros, those are the D1 kids that go pro. And not anyone in top 1000 will be the top D1 player. You are definitely underestimating their tennis abilities
RossianSpy 2 years ago
2 30 pause. amazing balance and stroke
kusta345 3 years ago
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Federer plays like my husband!
marky1999 3 years ago
Of course he is :))
Lucian86 3 years ago
man just see his footwork..ball contact.. and esp when he hits the backhand... where he starts the stroke and where it ends it..its in full..complete swing...
he's the GOD of tennis...
namita9012021 3 years ago 2
the magician of precision. cool video
deucextre 3 years ago 3
what the crap. you guys have such nice seats! where does your dad work? americanexpress? i was in the peanut gallery at the US Open
vanhalen4life32 3 years ago
it looks so much faster than on tv
Niklas2104 3 years ago 2
that's because IT IS!!!!
xman4un 3 years ago 3
Insane racquet speed:P Nice vid:)
jonas1881 3 years ago 17