Not to be hypocritical, I eat meat, not much. And do not abuse any animal, but many companies who sell meat if they do, we are animals sophisticated as someone said, so it should give them a dignified treatment to which they are to die for our survival. Animals are born with rights, nobody is giving away anything. This world is not only humans, many seem to have forgotten that
Mmm, all these comments make me want to go out and have a burger...with some cheese, and bacon, and lettuce <3 All the things that make my canine teeth necessary. You go and not eat meat if you want, but I will. And I'll go home and play with my dog, and feed my fish, and then go have some chicken strips with the same dog I played with, because if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me
@DinosaurGoRAWR13 youre fucking retarded cunt, enjoy your karma-mankind has NO RIGHT TO ABUSE, KILL, EAT ANY ANIMAL YOU ANIMAL MURDERERS DESERVE TO DIE I HOPE YOU ALL GET MURDERED
So you prefer for a human to die instead of an animal? Kill yourself, do it, throw yourself into the Tiger pit... animals need to eat too you know? PETA is retarded, they're eco terrorists and it's FarmVille loving idiots like you who fuel their crap. Support animal rights, NOT PETA.
Stop animal abuse? Sure thing, I don't wan't to club baby seals.
Freeze my ass off in the winter? I don't need that winter coat.
Stop eating meat? Why not? The price of vegetables sure isn't going down.
I'nm willing to stop animal abuse, but don't ask me to stop eating animals. Have you ever seen The Lion King? Its the circle of life, and i'm not saying that to be cute, thats the way it has been for centuries. You can't expect people to change their ways just because a few people are bitching.
@t00117598 Do you find nothing oxymoronic about "eat up, it's the only thing keeping them alive"? By phasing out meat consumption, there wouldn't be billions of chickens roaming free in the wild and dying. It's supply and demand, and it's the current demand that has them brought them into existence in the first place. Also, just because humans have farmed them for a long time, it's old fashioned and illogical to see that as a reason to continue. Not trying to be hostile, just sharing opinions.
@zillahero Many abolitionists were considered terrorists and were HATED by America, just like vegans are HATED by America now. We are fighting for the sanctatity of LIFE and prevention of CRUELTY...
@HepburnFlicks yes they do, chickens have been domesticated for thousands of years. The only reason they exist in there current evolutionary state is because of us. They are perfectly equipped to be farmed. If left alone in the wild now they wouldn't stand a chance. So eat up, its the only thing keeping them alive... plus their yummy...
You cant save every animal. If people stopped running puppy mills and people stopped buying from breeders rather then adoptig , then maybe one day we wont have so many unwanted animals. But until then , humanely euthanising them is the best option rather then making them live in a cage.
This is so typical of PETA's limpdick politicking... no one likes to see an animal suffering unduly, but then those PETA freaks will go swear at some old lady in the street, and her coat's probably fucking artificial anyway. Just because I enjoy a good steak doesn't make me a goddam puppy torturer, no matter how much those pencil-necks bleat about it. Anyway, how many rodents died harvesting their fucking soy burgers, I don't hear PETA sticking up for the field mice.
@jq747 PETA is a bunch of hippies, Peter Singer makes the only good argument for animal rights and he doesn't try to interfere in other people's lives if they want to eat a burger. there are definitely bigger problems in the world, even to a vegan, than omnivores.
What about Francione/Regan/Best/Thich Hanh/Gandhi to name but a few more philosophers nevermind medical doctors?
PETA ain't hippies, they're little shits that fuck over the AR movement but not hippies. Please recognise there are numerous more arguments & positions against animal use & how to best acheive this than what batshit newkirk says
Paul Watson has to be the dumbest "captain" ever! Nothing he does ever works, and seeing him try different dumb ideas until he runs out of them and just stands there with his mouth open is priceless! It's funny that he don't try and stop Russian whalers who kill many more whales each year than the Japenese. I guess it's because they won't put-up with his shit and will blast those little dingys out of the water? Paul Watson=Fail!
Ok, I tried looking up the animal laws in Germany but I'm getting a little lost in all the info. I've found that of course they have laws against killing strays at random, but so does the U.S. I'm wanting to find out if they really have outlawed euthanasia in their animal shelters... please reply if you know.
What they don't tell you is PETA kills 94% of animals they "rescue" so all their doing is promoting hypocrisy. Sure, animal testing is wrong, so is intensive farming but these dickheads take it too far and are just angry indiots. I'd rather cut off my foot than support PETA.
Hah, in what way is that incremental? that's absurd. Humans logically have ethical preferences over what creatures we eat-just as I imagine you believe its generally best not to kill and eat other humans etc. It can be logically deduced that to reduce suffering of beings with the capacity to suffer, when provided the option, one should eat life-forms with no capacity to suffer. Plants don't have the capacity to suffer. I suggest you read Sense and Goodness WIthout God.
@pascalzifffhume What aspect of the natural world led you to believe that nature was designed to"reduce suffering"? Seems quite the opposite. Are you suggesting that man is not part of nature?
Animals evolve to reduce suffering/extend survival in every regard. And to argue humans shouldn't behave in the interest of reduced suffering is to argue against ethics entirely.
You're not understanding my argument. You argue instinctual code applies to man in regards to non-human animals, but not to other humans, however you never ground this using inferential or deductive reasoning. If you say human behavior towards other animals is justified by natural order than human behavior towards other humans is likewise justified by observable natural instinct.
@pascalzifffhume This type of logic will end with starvation because it is only incremental to extend the same logic to both flora and fauna. This is "intelligent idiot" thinking.
@IGotFree, also consider that milk is different per species. Cow milk is designed to take an infant cow and have them grow into a 1,500 lb adult within a short time span. Humans grow into a fraction of that weight, so giving a human baby cow milk is like injecting them with steroids.
Check out this website, they have a ton of useful and interesting information regarding cow milk:
@IGotFree, good question. Cows don't "magically" produce milk. Like humans, they only produce milk when pregnant. This is to provide nourishment to their young. The dairy industry constantly artificially impregnates cows so that they constantly make milk. The second they are born, their babies are dragged away from them to be raised for the veal industry.
Cow milk is unhealthy for humans. "Lactose Intolerance" is not a disorder, it's your body telling you you're not supposed to drink cow milk.
And I can't stand when people justify eating animals and animal abuse because of the flaws of PETA. Yes, PETA is wrong on many fronts, but that's no excuse to justify a diet of meat and dairy, especially when it is the cause of 70% of all disease in the US (don't take my word for it, look it up yourself).
I suppose people will believe what they want. But hey, it's your health that your hurting. Unfortunately other animals are suffering because of your misinformed diet as well.
@thrash632 I understand not eating meat, but what is wrong with dairy products? Do you have any idea how painful it is for a cow to not be milked? It's actually cruel to NOT milk them. If the cows need to be milked for their own good, then why can't we do something with the milk that is now available? As long as dairy cows are raised in sanitary and comfortable conditions where they're not worn down due to milking and do not feel any suffering, pain, or discomfort then what is wrong with dairy?
@warwickforever, Since you're on the subject of religion, why don't we look at the religions preceding Christianity? Buddhism teaches abstaining from animal products. Even Christianity retains some of these teachings (No meat on Fridays). Let's not forget Judaism, which teaches being Kosher (not mixing dairy with meat, not eating swine). The point is that these practices were formed from an understanding that we shouldn't be eating animals or animal by-products.
I can't believe how much ignorance there is in regards to Veganism. You do NOT need vitamins just because you are vegan or vegetarian. I have been vegan for years and do not need vitamins. I am much healthier than I was when I ate animal products. Look at how much disease there is in the US. It's no coincidence that we also consume the most meat and dairy. Research the benefits of a Raw Vegan diet and you'll be astounded like I was and don't just blindly spout ignorant statements as fact.
RE the bit about the German couple.. In Germany people don't just willy nilly breed anything because they can like we do. They have standards, the animals have to live up to those standards, they have to earn the right to breed.
Of course if there were mandatory spay neuter here of dogs that do not meet certain minimum conformation, genetic and temperament standards, there would be a whole lot less unwanted pets.
I do agree that PETA are animal campaigners in the most extreme sence, but people DON"T understand, or have not bothered to research the horrific and cruel conditions animals in (some, not all, but a definite number of) shelters,pounds and slaughter houses. I understand that PETA's extremist and attention seeking actions are so people will PAY ATTENTION, to look past the false advertising of caring pounds and shelters and see the pain and fear of the poor animals. ADOPT AN ANIMAL. SAVE ITS LIFE.
@chaitealatte100 Maybe PETA should listen to you, since they kill somewhere between 80 and 90% of the pet animals turned over to them, entrusted to them, rather then adopt them out.
Perfectly healthy young animals, not just old sick animals.
Look up the truth about PETA, and see for yourself where their 29 million dollars in donations go, and it's NOT to save animals. It's for their shock tactic look at me activism campaigns like this one.
What is better,letting a cat in freedom than gets eaten by wolf or sitting in my lap near hot fireplace purring while i cuddle with her?
Peta would chose setting them free since "cat feels like slave while in house."
I mean really.Maybe I should call our Serbian huligans how PETA is against bacon and tell them to vandalise PETA's HQ to see hows its looks like to take someones job,money to feed family beocose of organisation that creates more harm than good.
Not every activist is associated with PETA. A lot of activists disagree with some of the things PETA do (myself included). Way to stereotype everyone!
There's no excuse for animal abuse, plain and simple. Learn the facts and you'll realize that through our dependency on animal products and products produced through animal exploitation, we are senselessly hurting the Earth, animals AND OURSELVES.
Carnivores in the wild kill for a reason. Human beings do so for no other reason than fear.
@finerbiner, The "top of the food chain argument" is unfounded propaganda. Human beings are herbivores, meaning our bodies are designed for veggies, fruits, nuts and legumes. Science and history backs this up. Animal products are the number one killer in this country. Compare the health of a meat eater with that of someone on a vegan/raw food diet and you'll see who is healthier.
Just because we have dominance over other species does not give us the right to abuse our power.
@thrash632 Really. Cows and Hippos have eye teeth. That argument is not supported by ant facts. We are the top of the food chain. Do you have anything but BS feely touchy opinion?
There is a natural balance to nature. Man is part of this balance. Top of the food chain. PETA would not be so vilified if they understood this. instead of moralizing they should work for ethical rearing and use of animal products.
If we were to excuse behaviors based on the context of what's instinctual in nature, we'd be excusing violence of men against men, as such inter species competition is likewise trademark of the animal kingdom. Any argument derived from nature follows a non-sequituir line of reasoning.
@pascalzifffhume I disagree completely. An argument can always be taken to far. Much like your equating the use of animal products with violent crime. Man is a primate, an animal and part of the natural world. Attempts to say anything else are ignorant of the facts. PETA fails to understand this simple fact and that failure will keep them a fringe organization without real influence.
@finerbiner man is not one with the natural world we are above that and bend it to OUR will i don't not sport peta or anything it dose but I just don't like your points ether.
@mrmasterice1 Above the natural world? Floating? WTF. Tell that shit to the people dealing with tornadoes, hurricanes and floods. Tell it to the victims of the next food born disease epidemic.
@finerbiner the natural world is a bitch and so are you floating what do you mean or do you mean anything i find you ignorance staggering and to relate some off topic...damn boy you're good at sucking balls you must have got it from your father.
@finerbiner you insulted me first so there for you are pussified your self and i was responding to that insult how ever pity is something else i pity you for thinking your self as an animal you truly need some help or flea repellent as is i do not talk to lower beings so come back when you are done with your dog and remember always use a condom when fucking family members you inbred.
@mrmasterice1 Do you really think your incest and bestiality pops are impressive. What a loser. You could not even compete in a 4th grade insult contest with that cheese.
I've heard this argument before and unfortunately it seems to suggest that we should always adhere to nature. I would hope no one would seriously advocate giving in to our primal needs simply because evolution has willed it.
@v2freak Really all I am suggesting is that this is not as black and white an issue as some see it. I understand that reasonable arguments can be made on both sides.
The world is finite. Every organism depends on every other in the cycle of life. I just think that radical animal rights activists either deny or do not understand this. that does not mean I want animals mistreated. I love nature and would like to see it and its inhabitants protected. i disagree with many here on how to best do it.
You make a fine point, and I appreciate its scientific basis. But where some people argue humans should eat meat because their teeth are shaped a certain way, I see it as humans should be vegetarian because they can live a perfectly normal life without meat; nay, they can live a healthier live without meat.
@v2freak Thanks for the conversation. I agree that as human population increases, nutrition from animals will have to decrease or even be eliminated because the opportunity cost, on many levels, will be too high. I have much more trouble getting my head around the opposition to using animal products though. Not using them, in a respectful way, seems emotional and wasteful. By the way, I have two rescued dogs and one cat that kills everything with no remorse.
@zoidsvstherichies Quite the contrary. As human population grows around the world, technology will become more and more important because the resources of the planet are finite and technological advances will help us become more efficient in producing food.
Meat, and animal products in general, are resource and labor intensive as compared to plant products.
If you think that a factory farm, where 99% of North American meat comes from, is part of nature you are wrong. If you think going out and hunting an animal with a high powered rifle is part of nature, you are wrong. Man is one of the most radical, unbalanced species on the planet, and there are plenty of animals that can and will eat us if we didn't have high powered weapons. Put a man without weapons into a pit with a tiger and see who really is at the top of the food chain.
@LegendxWind A factory farm is torture. PETA,"should work for ethical rearing and use of animal products".
What part of that is support for factory farming?
The difference in human vrs all other animals regarding intelligence is a difference of kind not degree. That is why we are definitely the top of the food chain. Your pretend scenario is silly.
Humans and humanity are awesome. If you disagree there are places left on earth where you can forgo anything human. Give it a try.
The "top of the food chain" remark is usually used to excuse insane amounts of cruelty against animals. My pretend scenario is very possible, and human beings have found themselves victims to predators time and time again when they don't have their handy dandy unnatural weapons to save their asses. Humans are awesome, it is undeniable. But we are also destructive, selfish, speciesist, antropocentric and down right stupid when it comes to a lot of things.
@LegendxWind Man is less self serving than most animals. We are the product of millions of years of evolution though. Our bodies are made of selfish genes. We are the product of nature, but the first species to advance understanding. That is completely new here on earth and we have only had a few thousand years to practice. i think we are doing pretty well.
Oh really? How is that? Man has such a high demand for meat that they disregard welfare and morality for in their treatment of animals and pack them together in the thousands. Man has to constantly invent new things because Man is never satisfied with having his needs met, there always has to be more. There is no animal more self serving than the human being. Man is destroying the planet with his selfishness. We are doing terrible, for a self proclaimed master species.
Oh really? How is that? Man has such a high demand for meat that they disregard welfare and morality for in their treatment of animals and pack them together in the thousands. Man has to constantly invent new things because Man is never satisfied with having his needs met, there always has to be more. There is no animal more self serving than the human being. Man is destroying the planet with his selfishness, We are doing terrible, for a self proclaimed master species.
@LegendxWind Name one animal that has regard for morality. You are the exact type of witch I was speaking when i said PETA needs to change its focus. I am never going to agree that humans suck and you are satisfied by no other answer.
The elephant. They have identical limbic systems(The system in the brain responsible for consciousness and experiencing emotions) to a human beings. By the way, not all humans regard morality, as you can see by pedophiles and serial killers. Morality doesn't matter if you don't use it. How am I a witch? I personally hate PETA, they're a bunch of women exploiting nut jobs who do nothing but hinder the AR movement.But you're pathetic for calling names because I have a differnt opinion
@LegendxWind I don't name call. I meant to say you are the type of person to which I was speaking. It was late and I was about to sleep. I'm an agnostic, witch would be neither a compliment or an insult coming from me.
It's name calling, whether you're agnostic, Jewish, Muslim or what have you. You obviously didn't mean it in a postive way. My point still stands, regardless of your childish insult.
@LegendxWind Can you read? When you do, can you comprehend? "You are the exact type of witch(which) I was speaking when I said PETA needs to change its focus".
Saying you are focusing on the wrong thing is an insult? It is a conversation. Something you have a real problem with.
It is like using the wrong two or there. Nothing more.
Calling you a juvenile asswipe, and a pussy is an insult. See the difference jagbag.
"Witch" and "which" have two different meanings, perhaps you should focus more on the language you choose to respond with so it isn't misinterpreted. You're the only juvenile asswipe for not being able to properly articulate themself without falling upon insults, as you have already proven with your previous comment. Once more, my point stands and unless you have anything better to do than start slipping into a childish name calling competition then I have nothing more to say to you
It's obvious you're a fucking idiot who has a temper tantrum when people don't see your ways. You insulted my mother, how mature of you. What's next are you going to stick your tongue out at the screen, tough guy?
I have a dog like the one at the beginning of this video.It affected me.Any caring considerate human understands animals.Animals save lives,they help the blind see, the deaf to hear and 1 police dog can do the job of 4 police.I have worked in a shelter,seen disgraceful things happening to the animals and was ousted out when I exposed them in Cyprus,.They murder over 600 dogs a month. no neutering yet they took me to court because dogs I rescued dare to bark! People must not ignore this cruelty.
You guys are fucking stupid. You need to mind your own god damn business. If you assholes came and tried to harass me while I was hunting I would do my best to put the animals I was shooting through as much pain as possible just to watch you suffer.
@Grant And if I saw you do that, I'd grab your gun, shoot you in each arm and enjoy your screams of agony, and then say "This is for the animal you think you're so much better than." And shoot you in the fucking skull and walk away. Then I'd go out in a blaze of glory and kill the police that try to apprehend me in the name of "justice." Killing an animal isn't right, and people like you should understand that the only animal in need of any control is humans. Overpopulation, overconsumption, etc
@vgman94 Jesus fucking Christ are't you all high and mighty. First of all good luck getting my gun because if you got within 10 ft of me you would spend the next few hours bleeding out in agony from the 12 gauge slug hole in your stomach. You get so fucking mad about killing animals but its okay to kill your own species? Killing animals is just fine. They are here for us to eat and do what we want with them. You shouldn't have man in your name because you are a giant pussy. Go fucking die.
@Grant Then I'd use a sniper rifle. And God, you are ignorant. Animals were NOT put here for us to use! Show me a fucking Golden, dangerous-to-touch document which says it is. And the Bible is not dangerous to touch, so...
You're the giant pussy. Looking out for the weaker ones is a sign of strength. Murdering an animal for anything other than survival is unnatural, evil & a sign of, if you want to go the religious way, demonic possession. No one pure would kill an animal save for self defense.
@vgman94 Jesus Christ. I am the stupid one? You've got to be fucking kidding. What are you doing just sitting around watching me wit ha sniper? Go ahead and try to shoot me. I fucking dare you. I guarantee you won't because you are a giant ass stupid cunt. Go ahead and just keep telling yourself being a vegan pussy shows how strong you are. I don't need to show you shit. Since I can go buy a license and shoot the shit out of animals you can bet your ass thats what im going to do you motherfucker
this is going to just piss me off. i cant watch this. it takes alot for me to not watch documentary about ppls opinions, but this is the basic PETA mentality thats not any better than those factories that kill the animals. Yes humans are bad-ok. thanks for the reminder...again and again. yes we kill. so do animals, they even kill others from the same species. we just so happen to over populate the world and control everything. your only spreading senseless hate and DOING NOTHING by doing so.
@WeThePeopleRleaders People are not bad, though you can't really blame activists for losing heart and starting to believe that. It's very hard to believe in the possibility of goodness in humanity when most people's responses to exploitation and injustice is "But I like meat (dairy, fur, whatever) too much!"
Every vegan AR activist is one example of a human being who says no to that exploitation, who decides not to be "bad". Humans can choose to be "good"...
@WeThePeopleRleaders ... So every vegan ARA who says (and some do) that humanity sucks, that people are evil, etc. is ignoring the fact that he or she certainly doesn't suck, isn't "evil", doesn't choose to support exploitation because it's more convenient, etc.
Some humans suck. Some humans are bad. As activists we should never forget that, and we should never forget that people can change.
@kimberlily1983 ** Forgot part of my last post, here it is **
SOME humans suck. SOME humans are bad. But lots of people are good, or want to be. As activists we should never forget that, and we should never forget that people can change.
Not to be hypocritical, I eat meat, not much. And do not abuse any animal, but many companies who sell meat if they do, we are animals sophisticated as someone said, so it should give them a dignified treatment to which they are to die for our survival. Animals are born with rights, nobody is giving away anything. This world is not only humans, many seem to have forgotten that
Languiz 3 months ago
Mmm, all these comments make me want to go out and have a burger...with some cheese, and bacon, and lettuce <3 All the things that make my canine teeth necessary. You go and not eat meat if you want, but I will. And I'll go home and play with my dog, and feed my fish, and then go have some chicken strips with the same dog I played with, because if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me
KatieGDarling 3 months ago
vegan for almost a year and never felt better. :)
msradiostar 3 months ago
Animals kill and eat each other. We are animals. Sophisticated animals.
RadiantWater 3 months ago
Your all slagging off PETA,but I see none of you doing anything about these issues.Enough said.
RooBex123 3 months ago
@DinosaurGoRAWR13 youre fucking retarded cunt, enjoy your karma-mankind has NO RIGHT TO ABUSE, KILL, EAT ANY ANIMAL YOU ANIMAL MURDERERS DESERVE TO DIE I HOPE YOU ALL GET MURDERED
CharlotteElliot 3 months ago
@CharlotteElliot
So you prefer for a human to die instead of an animal? Kill yourself, do it, throw yourself into the Tiger pit... animals need to eat too you know? PETA is retarded, they're eco terrorists and it's FarmVille loving idiots like you who fuel their crap. Support animal rights, NOT PETA.
Cujucuyo 3 months ago
@CharlotteElliot I'm sure that after reading your comment many more people will support animal rights? PS: Not everybody believes in karma.
Jewchai 1 day ago
Stop animal abuse? Sure thing, I don't wan't to club baby seals.
Freeze my ass off in the winter? I don't need that winter coat.
Stop eating meat? Why not? The price of vegetables sure isn't going down.
I'nm willing to stop animal abuse, but don't ask me to stop eating animals. Have you ever seen The Lion King? Its the circle of life, and i'm not saying that to be cute, thats the way it has been for centuries. You can't expect people to change their ways just because a few people are bitching.
TheHyperBassist 3 months ago
@t00117598 Do you find nothing oxymoronic about "eat up, it's the only thing keeping them alive"? By phasing out meat consumption, there wouldn't be billions of chickens roaming free in the wild and dying. It's supply and demand, and it's the current demand that has them brought them into existence in the first place. Also, just because humans have farmed them for a long time, it's old fashioned and illogical to see that as a reason to continue. Not trying to be hostile, just sharing opinions.
thatnematode 4 months ago
PETA is a true revolutionary group but I just wish they'd try to be bit more radical.
Humans DO NOT need meat for survival in this day and age. We have the technology to create artificial meat which is just as tasty.
No living creature deserves to die for your greedy taste buds!
HepburnFlicks 5 months ago
@HepburnFlicks MORE RADICAL? theyd eventually become a terrorist organization, im surprised they arent one already.
zillahero 4 months ago
@zillahero Many abolitionists were considered terrorists and were HATED by America, just like vegans are HATED by America now. We are fighting for the sanctatity of LIFE and prevention of CRUELTY...
HepburnFlicks 4 months ago
@HepburnFlicks yes and Al Qaeda is HATED by america and their fighting for the sanctatity of ISLAM and the prevention of CHRISTIANS and INFIDELS
zillahero 4 months ago
@HepburnFlicks yes they do, chickens have been domesticated for thousands of years. The only reason they exist in there current evolutionary state is because of us. They are perfectly equipped to be farmed. If left alone in the wild now they wouldn't stand a chance. So eat up, its the only thing keeping them alive... plus their yummy...
t00117598 4 months ago
@HepburnFlicks
One question: Isn't a lettuce a living creature, too?
portaecustos 4 months ago
@portaecustos Not to mention the bacteria! Stop using the antibiotics you heartless monster!
Jewchai 1 day ago
@HepburnFlicks radical =/= rational
radical = extreme
rational = sensible
:,D
RadiantWater 3 months ago
You cant save every animal. If people stopped running puppy mills and people stopped buying from breeders rather then adoptig , then maybe one day we wont have so many unwanted animals. But until then , humanely euthanising them is the best option rather then making them live in a cage.
NikkiiDubb 6 months ago
They sure curse a lot for activists, but I got just as many comebacks for people like those.
Willyj1230 7 months ago
This is so typical of PETA's limpdick politicking... no one likes to see an animal suffering unduly, but then those PETA freaks will go swear at some old lady in the street, and her coat's probably fucking artificial anyway. Just because I enjoy a good steak doesn't make me a goddam puppy torturer, no matter how much those pencil-necks bleat about it. Anyway, how many rodents died harvesting their fucking soy burgers, I don't hear PETA sticking up for the field mice.
jq747 7 months ago 2
@jq747 PETA is a bunch of hippies, Peter Singer makes the only good argument for animal rights and he doesn't try to interfere in other people's lives if they want to eat a burger. there are definitely bigger problems in the world, even to a vegan, than omnivores.
dopeasfuckk 2 months ago
Dopeasfuckk
What about Francione/Regan/Best/Thich Hanh/Gandhi to name but a few more philosophers nevermind medical doctors?
PETA ain't hippies, they're little shits that fuck over the AR movement but not hippies. Please recognise there are numerous more arguments & positions against animal use & how to best acheive this than what batshit newkirk says
-Vegetarian going vegan
TheTvrulesthenation 2 months ago
Fuck P.T.A..!!! In my state if someone gets in You face We are allowed to fuck them up! It`s called the stand Your ground law.
chaos0691 7 months ago
anyone know where to get the full thing? documantaryheaven will not play.
pboisei 7 months ago
Paul Watson has to be the dumbest "captain" ever! Nothing he does ever works, and seeing him try different dumb ideas until he runs out of them and just stands there with his mouth open is priceless! It's funny that he don't try and stop Russian whalers who kill many more whales each year than the Japenese. I guess it's because they won't put-up with his shit and will blast those little dingys out of the water? Paul Watson=Fail!
ginko27 8 months ago
Ok, I tried looking up the animal laws in Germany but I'm getting a little lost in all the info. I've found that of course they have laws against killing strays at random, but so does the U.S. I'm wanting to find out if they really have outlawed euthanasia in their animal shelters... please reply if you know.
angelhatesyou75217 8 months ago
What they don't tell you is PETA kills 94% of animals they "rescue" so all their doing is promoting hypocrisy. Sure, animal testing is wrong, so is intensive farming but these dickheads take it too far and are just angry indiots. I'd rather cut off my foot than support PETA.
kulakulagirl 9 months ago
Hah, in what way is that incremental? that's absurd. Humans logically have ethical preferences over what creatures we eat-just as I imagine you believe its generally best not to kill and eat other humans etc. It can be logically deduced that to reduce suffering of beings with the capacity to suffer, when provided the option, one should eat life-forms with no capacity to suffer. Plants don't have the capacity to suffer. I suggest you read Sense and Goodness WIthout God.
pascalzifffhume 9 months ago
@pascalzifffhume What aspect of the natural world led you to believe that nature was designed to"reduce suffering"? Seems quite the opposite. Are you suggesting that man is not part of nature?
finerbiner 9 months ago
@finerbiner
Animals evolve to reduce suffering/extend survival in every regard. And to argue humans shouldn't behave in the interest of reduced suffering is to argue against ethics entirely.
pascalzifffhume 8 months ago
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pascalzifffhume 9 months ago
@finerbiner
You're not understanding my argument. You argue instinctual code applies to man in regards to non-human animals, but not to other humans, however you never ground this using inferential or deductive reasoning. If you say human behavior towards other animals is justified by natural order than human behavior towards other humans is likewise justified by observable natural instinct.
It's first-order logic.
pascalzifffhume 9 months ago
@pascalzifffhume This type of logic will end with starvation because it is only incremental to extend the same logic to both flora and fauna. This is "intelligent idiot" thinking.
finerbiner 9 months ago
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pascalzifffhume 9 months ago
i would love to kill everysingle person in tht shelter what they were doing to them dogs fukin scum need gasing
BlueNova1995 9 months ago
I love meat :) and if you have to kill a million cows just to feed me so be it.
vivienleigh1097 11 months ago
@vivienleigh1097 and u are everything that is wrong with this world, You inhumane selfish egotistical human being.
Pixiebabylove 9 months ago
PETA KILLS ANIMALS google it and read true face of PETA
DisharmonicMelody 1 year ago
I never knew PeTA were such jerks.
mafatu32 1 year ago
i have a aunt and she haves a mink fur coat and you don't see me hitting her. i love animals! fuck PETA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NoelleC4 1 year ago
@IGotFree, also consider that milk is different per species. Cow milk is designed to take an infant cow and have them grow into a 1,500 lb adult within a short time span. Humans grow into a fraction of that weight, so giving a human baby cow milk is like injecting them with steroids.
Check out this website, they have a ton of useful and interesting information regarding cow milk:
notmilk (dot) com
thrash632 1 year ago
@IGotFree, good question. Cows don't "magically" produce milk. Like humans, they only produce milk when pregnant. This is to provide nourishment to their young. The dairy industry constantly artificially impregnates cows so that they constantly make milk. The second they are born, their babies are dragged away from them to be raised for the veal industry.
Cow milk is unhealthy for humans. "Lactose Intolerance" is not a disorder, it's your body telling you you're not supposed to drink cow milk.
thrash632 1 year ago
And I can't stand when people justify eating animals and animal abuse because of the flaws of PETA. Yes, PETA is wrong on many fronts, but that's no excuse to justify a diet of meat and dairy, especially when it is the cause of 70% of all disease in the US (don't take my word for it, look it up yourself).
I suppose people will believe what they want. But hey, it's your health that your hurting. Unfortunately other animals are suffering because of your misinformed diet as well.
thrash632 1 year ago
@thrash632 I understand not eating meat, but what is wrong with dairy products? Do you have any idea how painful it is for a cow to not be milked? It's actually cruel to NOT milk them. If the cows need to be milked for their own good, then why can't we do something with the milk that is now available? As long as dairy cows are raised in sanitary and comfortable conditions where they're not worn down due to milking and do not feel any suffering, pain, or discomfort then what is wrong with dairy?
IGotFree 1 year ago
@warwickforever, Since you're on the subject of religion, why don't we look at the religions preceding Christianity? Buddhism teaches abstaining from animal products. Even Christianity retains some of these teachings (No meat on Fridays). Let's not forget Judaism, which teaches being Kosher (not mixing dairy with meat, not eating swine). The point is that these practices were formed from an understanding that we shouldn't be eating animals or animal by-products.
thrash632 1 year ago
I can't believe how much ignorance there is in regards to Veganism. You do NOT need vitamins just because you are vegan or vegetarian. I have been vegan for years and do not need vitamins. I am much healthier than I was when I ate animal products. Look at how much disease there is in the US. It's no coincidence that we also consume the most meat and dairy. Research the benefits of a Raw Vegan diet and you'll be astounded like I was and don't just blindly spout ignorant statements as fact.
thrash632 1 year ago
RE the bit about the German couple.. In Germany people don't just willy nilly breed anything because they can like we do. They have standards, the animals have to live up to those standards, they have to earn the right to breed.
Of course if there were mandatory spay neuter here of dogs that do not meet certain minimum conformation, genetic and temperament standards, there would be a whole lot less unwanted pets.
flareion09 1 year ago
I do agree that PETA are animal campaigners in the most extreme sence, but people DON"T understand, or have not bothered to research the horrific and cruel conditions animals in (some, not all, but a definite number of) shelters,pounds and slaughter houses. I understand that PETA's extremist and attention seeking actions are so people will PAY ATTENTION, to look past the false advertising of caring pounds and shelters and see the pain and fear of the poor animals. ADOPT AN ANIMAL. SAVE ITS LIFE.
chaitealatte100 1 year ago
@chaitealatte100 Maybe PETA should listen to you, since they kill somewhere between 80 and 90% of the pet animals turned over to them, entrusted to them, rather then adopt them out.
Perfectly healthy young animals, not just old sick animals.
Look up the truth about PETA, and see for yourself where their 29 million dollars in donations go, and it's NOT to save animals. It's for their shock tactic look at me activism campaigns like this one.
flareion09 1 year ago
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appleslushie16 1 year ago
What is better,letting a cat in freedom than gets eaten by wolf or sitting in my lap near hot fireplace purring while i cuddle with her?
Peta would chose setting them free since "cat feels like slave while in house."
I mean really.Maybe I should call our Serbian huligans how PETA is against bacon and tell them to vandalise PETA's HQ to see hows its looks like to take someones job,money to feed family beocose of organisation that creates more harm than good.
baneskrbic 1 year ago
Not every activist is associated with PETA. A lot of activists disagree with some of the things PETA do (myself included). Way to stereotype everyone!
There's no excuse for animal abuse, plain and simple. Learn the facts and you'll realize that through our dependency on animal products and products produced through animal exploitation, we are senselessly hurting the Earth, animals AND OURSELVES.
Carnivores in the wild kill for a reason. Human beings do so for no other reason than fear.
thrash632 1 year ago
@finerbiner, The "top of the food chain argument" is unfounded propaganda. Human beings are herbivores, meaning our bodies are designed for veggies, fruits, nuts and legumes. Science and history backs this up. Animal products are the number one killer in this country. Compare the health of a meat eater with that of someone on a vegan/raw food diet and you'll see who is healthier.
Just because we have dominance over other species does not give us the right to abuse our power.
thrash632 1 year ago
@thrash632 Really. Cows and Hippos have eye teeth. That argument is not supported by ant facts. We are the top of the food chain. Do you have anything but BS feely touchy opinion?
finerbiner 8 months ago
OH MY GOD THOSE EVIL OLD WOMEN PUT LEASHES ON THEIR COMPANION ANIMALS!! ANIMAL CRUELTY!
TurudesRavenholt 1 year ago
when i saw the dog at the start crying i burst straight into tears people make me sick the most destructive race in the world...
missPeachytree 1 year ago
FUCK PETA
markwahlbergsgirl 1 year ago
There is a natural balance to nature. Man is part of this balance. Top of the food chain. PETA would not be so vilified if they understood this. instead of moralizing they should work for ethical rearing and use of animal products.
finerbiner 1 year ago 6
@finerbiner
If we were to excuse behaviors based on the context of what's instinctual in nature, we'd be excusing violence of men against men, as such inter species competition is likewise trademark of the animal kingdom. Any argument derived from nature follows a non-sequituir line of reasoning.
pascalzifffhume 9 months ago
@pascalzifffhume I disagree completely. An argument can always be taken to far. Much like your equating the use of animal products with violent crime. Man is a primate, an animal and part of the natural world. Attempts to say anything else are ignorant of the facts. PETA fails to understand this simple fact and that failure will keep them a fringe organization without real influence.
finerbiner 9 months ago
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pascalzifffhume 9 months ago
@finerbiner man is not one with the natural world we are above that and bend it to OUR will i don't not sport peta or anything it dose but I just don't like your points ether.
mrmasterice1 8 months ago
@mrmasterice1 Above the natural world? Floating? WTF. Tell that shit to the people dealing with tornadoes, hurricanes and floods. Tell it to the victims of the next food born disease epidemic.
By the way. I don't like your face.
finerbiner 8 months ago
@finerbiner the natural world is a bitch and so are you floating what do you mean or do you mean anything i find you ignorance staggering and to relate some off topic...damn boy you're good at sucking balls you must have got it from your father.
mrmasterice1 8 months ago
@mrmasterice1 If your too stupid to even attempt to make a point, you should not even try.
Big man with the insults on the internet. Truely pussified.
Every day for the rest of your life you are stuck being you. Sorry man.
finerbiner 8 months ago
@finerbiner you insulted me first so there for you are pussified your self and i was responding to that insult how ever pity is something else i pity you for thinking your self as an animal you truly need some help or flea repellent as is i do not talk to lower beings so come back when you are done with your dog and remember always use a condom when fucking family members you inbred.
mrmasterice1 8 months ago
@mrmasterice1 Do you really think your incest and bestiality pops are impressive. What a loser. You could not even compete in a 4th grade insult contest with that cheese.
finerbiner 8 months ago
@finerbiner well i must have underestimated you i thought you weren't very smart thus i toned it down to something you would understand.
mrmasterice1 8 months ago
@finerbiner I'm not even going to start telling you how ignorant/stupid you are
7891midnight 8 months ago
@finerbiner
I've heard this argument before and unfortunately it seems to suggest that we should always adhere to nature. I would hope no one would seriously advocate giving in to our primal needs simply because evolution has willed it.
v2freak 8 months ago
@v2freak Really all I am suggesting is that this is not as black and white an issue as some see it. I understand that reasonable arguments can be made on both sides.
The world is finite. Every organism depends on every other in the cycle of life. I just think that radical animal rights activists either deny or do not understand this. that does not mean I want animals mistreated. I love nature and would like to see it and its inhabitants protected. i disagree with many here on how to best do it.
finerbiner 8 months ago
@finerbiner
You make a fine point, and I appreciate its scientific basis. But where some people argue humans should eat meat because their teeth are shaped a certain way, I see it as humans should be vegetarian because they can live a perfectly normal life without meat; nay, they can live a healthier live without meat.
v2freak 8 months ago
@v2freak Thanks for the conversation. I agree that as human population increases, nutrition from animals will have to decrease or even be eliminated because the opportunity cost, on many levels, will be too high. I have much more trouble getting my head around the opposition to using animal products though. Not using them, in a respectful way, seems emotional and wasteful. By the way, I have two rescued dogs and one cat that kills everything with no remorse.
Peace.
finerbiner 8 months ago
@finerbiner
I'm with you on that one. I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan. Cheers
v2freak 8 months ago
@finerbiner if this was true we should get rid of the technology we have and go back to running around naked looking for food.
zoidsvstherichies 7 months ago
@zoidsvstherichies Quite the contrary. As human population grows around the world, technology will become more and more important because the resources of the planet are finite and technological advances will help us become more efficient in producing food.
Meat, and animal products in general, are resource and labor intensive as compared to plant products.
finerbiner 7 months ago
@finerbiner
If you think that a factory farm, where 99% of North American meat comes from, is part of nature you are wrong. If you think going out and hunting an animal with a high powered rifle is part of nature, you are wrong. Man is one of the most radical, unbalanced species on the planet, and there are plenty of animals that can and will eat us if we didn't have high powered weapons. Put a man without weapons into a pit with a tiger and see who really is at the top of the food chain.
LegendxWind 5 months ago
@LegendxWind A factory farm is torture. PETA,"should work for ethical rearing and use of animal products".
What part of that is support for factory farming?
The difference in human vrs all other animals regarding intelligence is a difference of kind not degree. That is why we are definitely the top of the food chain. Your pretend scenario is silly.
Humans and humanity are awesome. If you disagree there are places left on earth where you can forgo anything human. Give it a try.
finerbiner 5 months ago
@finerbiner
The "top of the food chain" remark is usually used to excuse insane amounts of cruelty against animals. My pretend scenario is very possible, and human beings have found themselves victims to predators time and time again when they don't have their handy dandy unnatural weapons to save their asses. Humans are awesome, it is undeniable. But we are also destructive, selfish, speciesist, antropocentric and down right stupid when it comes to a lot of things.
LegendxWind 5 months ago
@LegendxWind Man is less self serving than most animals. We are the product of millions of years of evolution though. Our bodies are made of selfish genes. We are the product of nature, but the first species to advance understanding. That is completely new here on earth and we have only had a few thousand years to practice. i think we are doing pretty well.
finerbiner 5 months ago
@finerbiner
Oh really? How is that? Man has such a high demand for meat that they disregard welfare and morality for in their treatment of animals and pack them together in the thousands. Man has to constantly invent new things because Man is never satisfied with having his needs met, there always has to be more. There is no animal more self serving than the human being. Man is destroying the planet with his selfishness. We are doing terrible, for a self proclaimed master species.
LegendxWind 5 months ago
@finerbiner
Oh really? How is that? Man has such a high demand for meat that they disregard welfare and morality for in their treatment of animals and pack them together in the thousands. Man has to constantly invent new things because Man is never satisfied with having his needs met, there always has to be more. There is no animal more self serving than the human being. Man is destroying the planet with his selfishness, We are doing terrible, for a self proclaimed master species.
LegendxWind 5 months ago
@LegendxWind Name one animal that has regard for morality. You are the exact type of witch I was speaking when i said PETA needs to change its focus. I am never going to agree that humans suck and you are satisfied by no other answer.
further conversation is pointless.
finerbiner 5 months ago
@finerbiner
The elephant. They have identical limbic systems(The system in the brain responsible for consciousness and experiencing emotions) to a human beings. By the way, not all humans regard morality, as you can see by pedophiles and serial killers. Morality doesn't matter if you don't use it. How am I a witch? I personally hate PETA, they're a bunch of women exploiting nut jobs who do nothing but hinder the AR movement.But you're pathetic for calling names because I have a differnt opinion
LegendxWind 5 months ago
@LegendxWind I don't name call. I meant to say you are the type of person to which I was speaking. It was late and I was about to sleep. I'm an agnostic, witch would be neither a compliment or an insult coming from me.
finerbiner 5 months ago
@finerbiner
It's name calling, whether you're agnostic, Jewish, Muslim or what have you. You obviously didn't mean it in a postive way. My point still stands, regardless of your childish insult.
LegendxWind 5 months ago
@LegendxWind Can you read? When you do, can you comprehend? "You are the exact type of witch(which) I was speaking when I said PETA needs to change its focus".
Saying you are focusing on the wrong thing is an insult? It is a conversation. Something you have a real problem with.
It is like using the wrong two or there. Nothing more.
Calling you a juvenile asswipe, and a pussy is an insult. See the difference jagbag.
finerbiner 5 months ago
@finerbiner
"Witch" and "which" have two different meanings, perhaps you should focus more on the language you choose to respond with so it isn't misinterpreted. You're the only juvenile asswipe for not being able to properly articulate themself without falling upon insults, as you have already proven with your previous comment. Once more, my point stands and unless you have anything better to do than start slipping into a childish name calling competition then I have nothing more to say to you
LegendxWind 5 months ago
@LegendxWind Asswipe. I responded with patience to your ignorant diatribes four times. That is done.
It is obvious that your mother was carrying you in her crack whore days.
finerbiner 5 months ago
@finerbiner
It's obvious you're a fucking idiot who has a temper tantrum when people don't see your ways. You insulted my mother, how mature of you. What's next are you going to stick your tongue out at the screen, tough guy?
LegendxWind 5 months ago
That dude's whale story is complete horse....uh whaleshit.
YoshuaSelah24 1 year ago
I have a dog like the one at the beginning of this video.It affected me.Any caring considerate human understands animals.Animals save lives,they help the blind see, the deaf to hear and 1 police dog can do the job of 4 police.I have worked in a shelter,seen disgraceful things happening to the animals and was ousted out when I exposed them in Cyprus,.They murder over 600 dogs a month. no neutering yet they took me to court because dogs I rescued dare to bark! People must not ignore this cruelty.
abarlow532 1 year ago 11
@abarlow532 PETA kills 90 percent of its animals
avenger391482 8 months ago
@avenger391482 more like 2/3rds, but yea.
angelhatesyou75217 8 months ago
@abarlow532 peta kills animals too
zillahero 4 months ago
You guys are fucking stupid. You need to mind your own god damn business. If you assholes came and tried to harass me while I was hunting I would do my best to put the animals I was shooting through as much pain as possible just to watch you suffer.
Grant1231111 1 year ago
@Grant And if I saw you do that, I'd grab your gun, shoot you in each arm and enjoy your screams of agony, and then say "This is for the animal you think you're so much better than." And shoot you in the fucking skull and walk away. Then I'd go out in a blaze of glory and kill the police that try to apprehend me in the name of "justice." Killing an animal isn't right, and people like you should understand that the only animal in need of any control is humans. Overpopulation, overconsumption, etc
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 Jesus fucking Christ are't you all high and mighty. First of all good luck getting my gun because if you got within 10 ft of me you would spend the next few hours bleeding out in agony from the 12 gauge slug hole in your stomach. You get so fucking mad about killing animals but its okay to kill your own species? Killing animals is just fine. They are here for us to eat and do what we want with them. You shouldn't have man in your name because you are a giant pussy. Go fucking die.
Grant1231111 1 year ago
@Grant Then I'd use a sniper rifle. And God, you are ignorant. Animals were NOT put here for us to use! Show me a fucking Golden, dangerous-to-touch document which says it is. And the Bible is not dangerous to touch, so...
You're the giant pussy. Looking out for the weaker ones is a sign of strength. Murdering an animal for anything other than survival is unnatural, evil & a sign of, if you want to go the religious way, demonic possession. No one pure would kill an animal save for self defense.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 Jesus Christ. I am the stupid one? You've got to be fucking kidding. What are you doing just sitting around watching me wit ha sniper? Go ahead and try to shoot me. I fucking dare you. I guarantee you won't because you are a giant ass stupid cunt. Go ahead and just keep telling yourself being a vegan pussy shows how strong you are. I don't need to show you shit. Since I can go buy a license and shoot the shit out of animals you can bet your ass thats what im going to do you motherfucker
Grant1231111 1 year ago
@vgman94
That is the funniest internet tough guy comment I've read in months.
EmperorFishFinger 7 months ago
this is going to just piss me off. i cant watch this. it takes alot for me to not watch documentary about ppls opinions, but this is the basic PETA mentality thats not any better than those factories that kill the animals. Yes humans are bad-ok. thanks for the reminder...again and again. yes we kill. so do animals, they even kill others from the same species. we just so happen to over populate the world and control everything. your only spreading senseless hate and DOING NOTHING by doing so.
WeThePeopleRleaders 1 year ago
@WeThePeopleRleaders People are not bad, though you can't really blame activists for losing heart and starting to believe that. It's very hard to believe in the possibility of goodness in humanity when most people's responses to exploitation and injustice is "But I like meat (dairy, fur, whatever) too much!"
Every vegan AR activist is one example of a human being who says no to that exploitation, who decides not to be "bad". Humans can choose to be "good"...
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@WeThePeopleRleaders ... So every vegan ARA who says (and some do) that humanity sucks, that people are evil, etc. is ignoring the fact that he or she certainly doesn't suck, isn't "evil", doesn't choose to support exploitation because it's more convenient, etc.
Some humans suck. Some humans are bad. As activists we should never forget that, and we should never forget that people can change.
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983 ** Forgot part of my last post, here it is **
SOME humans suck. SOME humans are bad. But lots of people are good, or want to be. As activists we should never forget that, and we should never forget that people can change.
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading.
LoVeThEm5678 1 year ago