@bersa888 ...agree ... harpsichord muddies the guitar, distracts from it, though you could say that harpsichord makes the discerning concentrate on distinguishing the guitar from harpsichord
Oh, I see; only you have the right to make a critique. When I do you're all over me with dumb comments.
Hypocrite.
BUT THIS BACH SUCKS. You can be a Master and still screw up a piece by rushing the tempo. No playing skill can save a rushed tempo. And the sound is soooo harsh.
@Rexicano The seemingly rushing tempo and harsh sound is by design to accentuate the motif of praise and joyful exuberance. Although such an interpretation isn't my favorite (I prefer John Williams' version) it is still beautiful and valid in it's own right, and it is ignorant and sad to belittle it my simply saying "it sucks" and not appreciating the complexity and beauty of the music and interpretation.
@SFsuperforte and the tempo doesn't rush. he chooses a fast tempo to make the music more energetic and lively, but the tempo stays constant throughout the entire piece.
Right; and I usually bow to a teenage boy and ignore my decades of experience....uh huh.
Write me back after you've had a life...but it will probably be one of ridiculous notions like "harsh sound is by design to accentuate the motif of praise" and more nonsense. And according to you my comment is not valid unless it's as complex as the piece? Absurd. MAybe stick to comments on the Swingle Singers; it's more your speed, Super Fart.
@Rexicano All I'm saying is that this is a beautiful piece of music and it is incredibly arrogant of you to criticize someone who has had such an amazing career and plays this piece (and in general) brilliantly. And I don't think the sound is harsh, I was just using that word because you used it. I think it's joyful and exuberant, but part of the "harshness" could be the quality of the recording.
Very Bad rendition. Speed is ok but every measure had a mistake of some sort! Look at milstien play this. John williams isn't bad either. Not so great though...
Parkening is a monster! my favorite classical guitar player and i have tried to emulate him as close as possible he has such a broad sound range and gets amazing contrasting colours with breathtaking technique. I saw this exact concert live on a weekly late 80's tv. show on p.b.s.- brings back memories cuz i recorded it and used his fingerings. The women backing him up is none other than Diane Bish a great musician in her own right. Kudos and Thanks!
I've heard a couple of orchestral recordings of this piece where the tempo was even faster. Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Philharmonic was one of them...
Bach definitely a genius. We listen to his music 300 years later. Will they be listening to Lil' Wayne, or Lady Gaga, etc., 300 years from now? I think not.
For all those ignorants who think they really know about classical guitar music let me tell you that you surely all suck. If not, then upload a video of yourselves playing this piece so we can all laugh. For those were talking about emotions, u still can play with emotions without loosing the rhythm. plus, notice that the lady was accompanying him so he must play this piece in the right beat. for speed, only guitar suckers criticize guitarists who can play fast!!
To sum it up, CPE Bach said that his father was "was no lover of dry, mathematical stuff" (Carl Phillipp Emanuel Bach, 1775. H. T. David and A. Mendel, The Bach Reader, Norton, New York, 1966, p. 278). I don't appreciate my comment being dismissed as "nonsense", you might politely disagree, nor do I need to be told to take a music history course.. I prefer a logical discussion based on fact rather than being disagreeably attacked. Casal's approach is well thought out, even if you disagree.
Bach's music is lacking in interpretive markings. Why? Not because it's meant to be played mechanically. Interpretive markings were a 19th century practice when music became more widely published. In Bach's time there was a strong oral tradition among musicians (which still exists today) where the older more experienced player would pass on their knowledge to the younger. Oral tradition has been and still is an important part of music.
The only point that I was making was Segova did not have the great teacher to learn from such as Casals did. He was an astute musician and learned for example, from the musical tradition of the Cello. I have read more than "a little music history" with my conservatory education, and thank goodness I learned that as classical musicians we do have a legacy that has been passed down from generation to generation. Bach's popularity may have fluctuated but he remained well known among musicians.
Casals was close friend of Segovia and was responsible for introducing Segovia to the Paris music community. Casal's teacher was Victor Mirecki who was taught by Auguste-Joseph Franchomme who was a close friend of Mendelssohn. Mendelssohn was a devotee of Bach and was responsible for a revival of Bach's St. Matthew passion. Mendelssohn was also a pupil of Czerny. My point? Music doesn't occur in a vacuum. There is an oral tradition that is passed down from generation to generation.
There are nine generations at most that separate us from Bach. Mozart was a student of CPE Bach along with being a close friend of Haydn. (Btw, CPE Bach's godfather was Teleman and SL Weiss was a close friend and recommended him for a job.) One of Haydn's pupils was Hummel who taught Czerny who later taught Lizst. That takes us half way through those nine generations.
Parkening's great teacher and mentor was Segovia. If you listen to other great classical musicians on the violin or cello you will notice that their versions follow the same expressiveness. There is a passing down from generation to generation on how to play Bach going back to the time of Bach himself among cellists for example. Parkening (and Segovia) follow that same school of interpretation.
Its well known that there is great contention about how to play Bach, and I dont know one cellist who claims to know Bach's method. Absolute nonsense. Please read a little music history. Bach's music has constantly been 're-discovered' from the time of Mozart to Mendelssohn, even today players are rediscovering the 'correct' way to play Bach (this also sells records) . I am afraid there is no linage back to Bach himself, however seductive this idea may seem.
Parkening is a monster! my favorite classical guitar player and i have tried to emulate him as close as possible. he has such a broad sound range and gets amazing contrasting colours with breathtaking technique. I saw this exact concert live (i think) on a weekly late 80' s t.v. show on p.b.s. - brings back memories cuz i recorded it and used his fingerings.
The women backing him up is none other than Diane Bish a great musician in her own rght. Kudos and thanks!
the tempo is just right.. listen to the violin version, it's very fast. He did not ruin the piece because all notes are very clear and their are no mistakes.
That is Christopher Parkening. One of the top classical guitarists in the world. He was a personal student of Segovia. Many times he uses the hard tone because of his spanish and flaminco styles that he is also very good at.
why does he use such a hard tone?...in my opinion one should change the position of the right hand throughout the piece...
i also think it is to fast...
another thing is, that in the end there are the only places of the pieces with a chord longer than a 16th note...he should calm down a bit in that last lines.
It actually derives from violin partita III. The autographed manuscript entitled "pour la clavecin/ compose par/ Jean Sebast. Bach/ Original." The amount of retuning needed on the lute serves as a practical argument against this piece being composed for lute. According to Frank Koonce, "We may never know with certainty the original instrumentation."
Or was it written for a "lute-harpsichord?" Apparently, Bach invented a keyboard instrument called a "lute-clavicembalo," which was supposed to sound like a lute.
great playing, but i must agree with you that playing this composition at a little slower rate would be more powerful. somehow, playing it fast on a violine sounds right, but applying the same speed doesn't seem to sound right for the gutar. and it does sound like a race.
I think It's actually harder to take it slower and harder to get the interpretation down between players if you get away from the fast metronome feel this gives me.
Someone wrote..."it's fast on violin..."
well, any good guitarist knows you don't play a guitar like a violin...or a machine gun.
On some pieces Parkening's my favorite..but here, not.
the reason this piece still sounds so good is because: 1it's parkening, 2 it's a good guitar, 3 it's a good acustics in the concert hall. do you have your recording on youtube?
gosh, i can ever get bored of this piece! i can listen to it over and over, and there is always this same conclusion: bach is absolutely a genius!
sure. i think j. williams plays it at a pretty favorable speed, however, i take it down a bit, and it sounds good. as you said, one can not express the complete scale of emotions by playing is like a machine gun.
why do you listeners keep fighting ? play the piece and shows us !!
jorgeoscar1000 2 months ago
Beautiful Playing. BTW, if someone dares to criticize The Greatest of the masters BACH, has just showed how fool and ignorant that person is.
sehiko 8 months ago
Amazing piece, a joy to hear and to watch.
Michaelrwright92 9 months ago
Amazing! Isn't this the Prelude from Luite Suite 4?
rawrgDX 1 year ago
@rawrgDX Yes, it is...
sehiko 8 months ago
favorite guitarist
ipoodaily 1 year ago
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sir1920? every measure? That's alot, of mistakes gee, its a real long song, maybee its so fast or am just not good enough to hear that many
SuperMikekennedy 1 year ago
sir1920? every measure? thats alot, of mistakes gee, its a real long song, maybee its so fast or am just not good enough to hear that many
SuperMikekennedy 1 year ago
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sir1920? every measure? thats alot, of mistakes gee, its a real long song, maybee its so fast or am just not good enough to hear that many
SuperMikekennedy 1 year ago
1920? every measure? thats alot, of mistakes gee, its a real long song, maybee its so fast or am just not good enough to hear that many
SuperMikekennedy 1 year ago
Unnecessary harpsichord :-)
bersa888 1 year ago
@bersa888 ...agree ... harpsichord muddies the guitar, distracts from it, though you could say that harpsichord makes the discerning concentrate on distinguishing the guitar from harpsichord
davidfaubion 1 year ago
@davidfaubion
HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE THE MASTER!
Oh, I see; only you have the right to make a critique. When I do you're all over me with dumb comments.
Hypocrite.
BUT THIS BACH SUCKS. You can be a Master and still screw up a piece by rushing the tempo. No playing skill can save a rushed tempo. And the sound is soooo harsh.
Rexicano 9 months ago
@Rexicano The seemingly rushing tempo and harsh sound is by design to accentuate the motif of praise and joyful exuberance. Although such an interpretation isn't my favorite (I prefer John Williams' version) it is still beautiful and valid in it's own right, and it is ignorant and sad to belittle it my simply saying "it sucks" and not appreciating the complexity and beauty of the music and interpretation.
SFsuperforte 7 months ago 2
@SFsuperforte and the tempo doesn't rush. he chooses a fast tempo to make the music more energetic and lively, but the tempo stays constant throughout the entire piece.
SFsuperforte 7 months ago
@SFsuperforte
Right; and I usually bow to a teenage boy and ignore my decades of experience....uh huh.
Write me back after you've had a life...but it will probably be one of ridiculous notions like "harsh sound is by design to accentuate the motif of praise" and more nonsense. And according to you my comment is not valid unless it's as complex as the piece? Absurd. MAybe stick to comments on the Swingle Singers; it's more your speed, Super Fart.
Rexicano 7 months ago
@Rexicano All I'm saying is that this is a beautiful piece of music and it is incredibly arrogant of you to criticize someone who has had such an amazing career and plays this piece (and in general) brilliantly. And I don't think the sound is harsh, I was just using that word because you used it. I think it's joyful and exuberant, but part of the "harshness" could be the quality of the recording.
SFsuperforte 7 months ago
@bersa888
Agree.
Rexicano 9 months ago
sir1920, are there any videos of you playing? You must be a virtuoso to be able to detect a mistake in every measure!
johnrhamel 1 year ago
sir1920, are there any videos of you playing? I would like to see them, you seem to have the gift of a virtuoso!
johnrhamel 1 year ago
Blessed music before our Savior Jesus
zspooz 1 year ago 2
The guitar is definitely Jose Ramirez
yongyong64 1 year ago
Very Bad rendition. Speed is ok but every measure had a mistake of some sort! Look at milstien play this. John williams isn't bad either. Not so great though...
sir1920 1 year ago
@sir1920 you're retarded. there are no mistakes
SFsuperforte 7 months ago
Does anybody know where this arrangment (Guitar+Organ) can be purchased?
BHMSteven 1 year ago
is that a ramirez??
squeadlieshero 1 year ago
Parkening is a monster! my favorite classical guitar player and i have tried to emulate him as close as possible he has such a broad sound range and gets amazing contrasting colours with breathtaking technique. I saw this exact concert live on a weekly late 80's tv. show on p.b.s.- brings back memories cuz i recorded it and used his fingerings. The women backing him up is none other than Diane Bish a great musician in her own right. Kudos and Thanks!
seungsongz 1 year ago
MAESTRO!!! Bach and Parkening...what a great combination.
Qiuvoweb 1 year ago
I've heard a couple of orchestral recordings of this piece where the tempo was even faster. Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Philharmonic was one of them...
bobbygoesbig 2 years ago
Bach definitely a genius. We listen to his music 300 years later. Will they be listening to Lil' Wayne, or Lady Gaga, etc., 300 years from now? I think not.
watutman 2 years ago 7
speed is matter of feeling and it is really up to the guitarist to decide ,but i think the tempo is great , is very baroquishe !
ham101ma 2 years ago 3
For all those ignorants who think they really know about classical guitar music let me tell you that you surely all suck. If not, then upload a video of yourselves playing this piece so we can all laugh. For those were talking about emotions, u still can play with emotions without loosing the rhythm. plus, notice that the lady was accompanying him so he must play this piece in the right beat. for speed, only guitar suckers criticize guitarists who can play fast!!
slashhatim 2 years ago
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asoulabidesinlove 2 years ago
To sum it up, CPE Bach said that his father was "was no lover of dry, mathematical stuff" (Carl Phillipp Emanuel Bach, 1775. H. T. David and A. Mendel, The Bach Reader, Norton, New York, 1966, p. 278). I don't appreciate my comment being dismissed as "nonsense", you might politely disagree, nor do I need to be told to take a music history course.. I prefer a logical discussion based on fact rather than being disagreeably attacked. Casal's approach is well thought out, even if you disagree.
asoulabidesinlove 2 years ago
Bach's music is lacking in interpretive markings. Why? Not because it's meant to be played mechanically. Interpretive markings were a 19th century practice when music became more widely published. In Bach's time there was a strong oral tradition among musicians (which still exists today) where the older more experienced player would pass on their knowledge to the younger. Oral tradition has been and still is an important part of music.
asoulabidesinlove 2 years ago
The only point that I was making was Segova did not have the great teacher to learn from such as Casals did. He was an astute musician and learned for example, from the musical tradition of the Cello. I have read more than "a little music history" with my conservatory education, and thank goodness I learned that as classical musicians we do have a legacy that has been passed down from generation to generation. Bach's popularity may have fluctuated but he remained well known among musicians.
asoulabidesinlove 2 years ago
Casals was close friend of Segovia and was responsible for introducing Segovia to the Paris music community. Casal's teacher was Victor Mirecki who was taught by Auguste-Joseph Franchomme who was a close friend of Mendelssohn. Mendelssohn was a devotee of Bach and was responsible for a revival of Bach's St. Matthew passion. Mendelssohn was also a pupil of Czerny. My point? Music doesn't occur in a vacuum. There is an oral tradition that is passed down from generation to generation.
asoulabidesinlove 2 years ago
There are nine generations at most that separate us from Bach. Mozart was a student of CPE Bach along with being a close friend of Haydn. (Btw, CPE Bach's godfather was Teleman and SL Weiss was a close friend and recommended him for a job.) One of Haydn's pupils was Hummel who taught Czerny who later taught Lizst. That takes us half way through those nine generations.
asoulabidesinlove 2 years ago
there is a guy named Stefan Schmidt that plays that amazingly well on a 12string guitar. But this version is nice too. Great duet.
minasgekos 2 years ago
Parkening's great teacher and mentor was Segovia. If you listen to other great classical musicians on the violin or cello you will notice that their versions follow the same expressiveness. There is a passing down from generation to generation on how to play Bach going back to the time of Bach himself among cellists for example. Parkening (and Segovia) follow that same school of interpretation.
asoulabidesinlove 2 years ago
This is nonsense. There is no line amongst cellists going back to Bach's time. Where did you read this? Going back to Casals' time perhaps.
GuitarOfTruth 2 years ago
Its well known that there is great contention about how to play Bach, and I dont know one cellist who claims to know Bach's method. Absolute nonsense. Please read a little music history. Bach's music has constantly been 're-discovered' from the time of Mozart to Mendelssohn, even today players are rediscovering the 'correct' way to play Bach (this also sells records) . I am afraid there is no linage back to Bach himself, however seductive this idea may seem.
GuitarOfTruth 2 years ago
MEERAAVIIGLIIOSOOOO!!!!!
simplyros 2 years ago
Parkening is a Romantic and plays with emotion unlke so many who are great but lack that feeling and emotion if you know what i mean.
srsteve12 2 years ago
Well, this guy is about a million times better than I am.
tuningmachine 2 years ago
Played at the right speed
praetorious27 2 years ago
and I have to ask, what is the "Right speed?":)
kevinkemu 2 years ago
A capo? (Well, if CP does it, it's right!) That is absolutely beautiful playing.
diz52nd 2 years ago 2
Parkening is a monster! my favorite classical guitar player and i have tried to emulate him as close as possible. he has such a broad sound range and gets amazing contrasting colours with breathtaking technique. I saw this exact concert live (i think) on a weekly late 80' s t.v. show on p.b.s. - brings back memories cuz i recorded it and used his fingerings.
The women backing him up is none other than Diane Bish a great musician in her own rght. Kudos and thanks!
porpoisefathom 2 years ago 17
I was about to ask if that was Diane Bish on the keyboard. Never mind! :) Yes, she is a great musician as well. Love her programs.
parakeethands 2 years ago
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simply perfect
bobbobby1992 3 years ago
I enjoy this performance, too
kiltlvr 2 years ago
Aun los grandes maestros se equivocan y mas parkening...
lZay007 3 years ago 3
*Can you translate that to ENGLISH please*
carolwomick 2 years ago
the tempo is just right.. listen to the violin version, it's very fast. He did not ruin the piece because all notes are very clear and their are no mistakes.
ruel9 3 years ago 5
very excellent playing.
quelle987 3 years ago 6
That is Christopher Parkening. One of the top classical guitarists in the world. He was a personal student of Segovia. Many times he uses the hard tone because of his spanish and flaminco styles that he is also very good at.
lawman466 3 years ago 4
PercivalDumbledore; the playing is exactly
how it should be. old Johann Sebastian would
be smiling.
quelle987 3 years ago 16
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why does he use such a hard tone?...in my opinion one should change the position of the right hand throughout the piece...
i also think it is to fast...
another thing is, that in the end there are the only places of the pieces with a chord longer than a 16th note...he should calm down a bit in that last lines.
PercivalDumbledore 3 years ago
He may be using that tone to try imitate the harpsichords sound. This is one thought.
kevinkemu 3 years ago 3
it's a lute piece
thejugglenaut91 2 years ago
It actually derives from violin partita III. The autographed manuscript entitled "pour la clavecin/ compose par/ Jean Sebast. Bach/ Original." The amount of retuning needed on the lute serves as a practical argument against this piece being composed for lute. According to Frank Koonce, "We may never know with certainty the original instrumentation."
kevinkemu 2 years ago
Or was it written for a "lute-harpsichord?" Apparently, Bach invented a keyboard instrument called a "lute-clavicembalo," which was supposed to sound like a lute.
CFMartin00015S 2 years ago
Here's a secret of the pros: You can't play that good without a bow tie.
KingOfClay 3 years ago 6
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very good playing! the best on youtube (in my opinion)
MatthewWSmith 3 years ago
Ruins it by taking it so fast; all the charm is paved over in this race to the end.
Rexicano 3 years ago
great playing, but i must agree with you that playing this composition at a little slower rate would be more powerful. somehow, playing it fast on a violine sounds right, but applying the same speed doesn't seem to sound right for the gutar. and it does sound like a race.
hadzila 2 years ago
Thanks hadzila;
I think It's actually harder to take it slower and harder to get the interpretation down between players if you get away from the fast metronome feel this gives me.
Someone wrote..."it's fast on violin..."
well, any good guitarist knows you don't play a guitar like a violin...or a machine gun.
On some pieces Parkening's my favorite..but here, not.
Rexicano 2 years ago
the reason this piece still sounds so good is because: 1it's parkening, 2 it's a good guitar, 3 it's a good acustics in the concert hall. do you have your recording on youtube?
gosh, i can ever get bored of this piece! i can listen to it over and over, and there is always this same conclusion: bach is absolutely a genius!
hadzila 2 years ago
sure. i think j. williams plays it at a pretty favorable speed, however, i take it down a bit, and it sounds good. as you said, one can not express the complete scale of emotions by playing is like a machine gun.
hadzila 2 years ago
Is that Diane Bish? or Fisch?...on the keyboard?
parakeethands 3 years ago