Wildlife Agencies and Hunters continues to lie and mislead the public about deer birth control

[scythedd7]

Okay first off, there are other primates that eat meat at least sometimes, notably are closest relative the Chimp, which will eat monkeys and other animals (and have even been known to become cannibals). That's what canine teeth in our mouths are for, to say otherwise is BS. Secondly, why the heck do plants always get the short end of the stick here? They're living things too. Saying only animals get the right to life under some divine reason is wholly bias. PS deer don't get insulted.

[DeliberateCruelty]

"canines" are just words, even horses and camels have canines. Our distant cousins the primate have huge canines and they are frugivores. They consume 95% plants, 4% of their diet is termites and 1.4% are meat which is for sexual exchange not for diet. Remember what God said about plants in (Genesis 1:29-31): ,

Plants do not run the reason being that they are non-sentient animals.

[wyattthereconhunter]

KILLING IS A LIVEING i live iand weswsp01 is right we need to harvest thos deer everysingle year and anyways hunting is on the decrease due to the recessoin i might be only 13 years old but i have harvested 1 deer and their is no better feeling with a big ol buck in your sights and your finger on that cold metal trigger

[DeliberateCruelty]

First of all wyatt I have no idea what you are writing and second of all the animals you killed have been KILLED not "harvest" they are not potatoes and its insult to call their death a "harvest".

[gary77777778888888]

animal controll is ower job we are pretitors we eat meat its not natural to give deer burth control but its natural for pretitors to hunt and we are pretitors what a bout bears,coyots,mountan lions and much more are you going to take thayer food and force them to eat plants? cause plants are alive to? you cant have life without death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If every buddy in the world quit eating meat and realyed fully on plants millions would die we already have food problems take away meat and

[weswsp01]

The only deer birth control that works is harvesting..... FACT! .... Unless you want to try and slip a rubber on a rutting buck. I would rather not.

[DeliberateCruelty]

I don't see any potatoes if you are"harvesting" and its not condom but of course your sick mind would think that way.

[blackfeatherarchery]

That deer birth control is b/s.

[DeliberateCruelty]

so are you bleakfeatherbrain.

[blackfeatherarchery]

That's blackfeatherarchery!

[DeliberateCruelty]

That is what I said "bleakfeatherbrain"!

[DeliberateCruelty]

If you are talking about bowkilling, there is never a "humane" killing and the "run off and die slowly" mostly comes from bowkilling but can also happen in shotgun killing.

[DeliberateCruelty]

We are "Omnivores" because we can chew and digest meat but anatomically we are frugivore not grass eaters, We do not have the double chamber stomach like grass eaters do but our anatomically we are closest to herbivore if compared to an omnivore and carnivore animals but our true diet is that of a fruigivore (primates) Tons of fruits and plants. If people "needed" meat in their diet then why does it kill so many humans?

[DeliberateCruelty]

That is why God send jesus to end the sin of man. Jesus taught vegetarianism and non-kill. If God allowed man to eat meat as a diet then why is it killing human? Was God trying to be funny.? Why are man intestine very long and pocketed which is unsuitable for carcass. ?

[MnDeerHunter09]

People can digest meat just fine. Jesus did not teach vegetarianism. When has eating meat killed people? Enough with the lies.

[NepheshAngel]

"It was said to them of old time, 'Honor thy Heavenly Father and thy Earthly Mother, and do their commandments, that thy days may be long upon the earth.' And next afterward was given this commandment, 'Thou shalt not kill,' for life is given to all by God, and that which God has given, let not man take away.

[NepheshAngel]

"For I tell you truly, from one Mother proceeds all that lives upon the earth. Therefore, he who kills, kills his brother. And from him will the Earthly Mother turn away, and will pluck from him her quickening breasts. And he will be shunned by her angels, and Satan will have his dwelling in his body. And the flesh of slain beasts in his body will become his own tomb. For I tell you truly, he who kills, kills himself, and whoso eats the flesh of slain beasts, eats of the body of death. "

[NepheshAngel]

For in his blood every drop of their blood turns to poison; in his breath their breath to stink; in his flesh their flesh to boils; in his bones their bones to chalk; in his bowels their bowels to decay; in his eyes their eyes to scales; in his ears their ears to wax. And their death will become his death.

"The leading causes of death in the Western world—heart disease, cancer, and stroke—can often be prevented and even treated—with proper dietary and lifestyle changes.

[NepheshAngel]

Explore nutritions role in combating specific illnesses, including Alzheimer's disease, arthritis, cancer, high cholesterol levels, diabetes, endometriosis, foodborne illness, heart disease, high blood pressure, mad cow disease, migraines, Parkinson's disease, prostate problems, premenstrual pain and PMS, and stroke by following a vegan diet." ~ Physicians Committee for Responsible

You don't know by now meat is poison for your body?

[MnDeerHunter09]

This proves nothing. Thou shalt not kill what? Not kill other humans? animals?plants? Thats very broad. So you can take it however you want, but im going to continue to hunt and im going to continue to eat meat whether you like it or not and there is nothing you can do about it.

[DeliberateCruelty]

We can continue to fight and as for you Mn, you will reap all the bad karma you have sown and you suffer just like the way the animals suffered for your amusement.

[ishootyourcat]

okay fine instead of hunting now and eating deer we should all start to eat more beef so we can kill more cows in slaughter houses which is more humane

[DeliberateCruelty]

You mean to tell me that deer carcass is your only food you eat? No bacon, no eggs, no dairy, cheese etc etc? Because if you do that means you cause pain and suffering indirectly inside the slaughterhouse and directly for "sports" in the homes of the animals.

[ishootyourcat]

so you only eat vegies, therefore you support cutting down trees(WILDLIFE'S HOME) to plant more food for humans isnt that inhumane as well?? taking away an aniamls home. because we will need to expand our fields if we all want to eat vegies instead of meat.

cuz this will lead to overcrouding and disease as well right

[NickLikesToSweepPick]

Even if I agreed with deer contraception, there's no way you could fund something like that, it'd be way too expensive and with our economy our states' budget is in no position to throw money into this. Why would the state spend money on birth control when hunters pay money into wildlife habitat programs through license sales? Even if this was a good idea, the state would never go through with it. Plus, it's playing God with nature, haven't you people seen Jurassic Park?

[DeliberateCruelty]

What is all this money paying for land? The land is greedily taken by the killers to use as a killing field it does not benefit the people. Without killers more people can benefit from wildlife watching and I believe all the excuses of money is a ploy to keep the killing going. Another thing, is that you think nothing of the people who are killed in deer vehicle accident just the same excuses of "money being made" from what? Pain and suffering?. NO THANKS.

[NickLikesToSweepPick]

Pssh, another conspiracy theorist, and I'm sure you thought 9/11 was an inside job. As far as your cable tv idea of human gladiators there would be a great deal of people watching a show like that, in this depraved culture we live in, but enough about that, that's a separate issue.  While hunting may not be everyone's thing, no matter what the individual's motive is, hunting is a cheap way for the Department of Fish and Game to cull populations, and the act of predatorship is natural.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Who is this "predator"?? Not 'hunters, 'hunters' is no "predator" well maybe in the human world to children and women. lol I have to get to bed so tomorrow I be back.

[NickLikesToSweepPick]

Haha, good to know somebody else finds Dateline: To Catch a Predator funny. Back to the topic at hand, hunting is an act of predatorship, I never kill anything unless I plan on eating it, as is the case for most other hunters. That's what predatorship is. I don't know if you are vegetarian or not, but regardless, I think it's pretty obvious that people will never stop eating meat. What's worse, harvesting a wild animal that lived a natural life, or to raise animals to die in a slaugherhouse?

[DeliberateCruelty]

If you come here and use the word "predator" to describe the killing of an innocent sentient life your comment wil not l be approved no more. its an insult to the suffering and death of our animal for you to call their death a "harvest" as if they are some potatoes ready to be "picked". What you did was KILL the deer.

Like I said you want to kill to "eat" go for it because our fight is not killing for food its "sports" killing where big antlered deer are being bred for trophy purpose

[NickLikesToSweepPick]

Also, game management doesn't stop at just regulating what deer hunters are allowed to shoot, fish and game departments do other things such as setting up feeding stations to help the deer get through the winter to maintain a healthy herd. I say again, we already have management plans that work and the state doesn't loose money, tell me why we need something new. Also, quit being a baby and deleting my comments because they're "offensive," they are NOT! You want offensive I can give you that.

[DeliberateCruelty]

which comment of yours is deleted ?And if you want to offensive and you will be blocked.

[DeliberateCruelty]

When the abundance of deer are done for the purpose of trophy and "sports" hunting you will have tons of problems including DVA's because with populating buck deer you will also have dons of does. That is why the most hunted states/counties have the most deer thus the highest DVA's.

[NickLikesToSweepPick]

Based on just this statement I'm pretty sure you haven't done your homework on hunting. We had a fish and wildlife department for a reason, and that reason is just what you described, wild life management, and part of wildlife management is regulating the doe//buck ratio, partially through hunting. It's already proven to work, tell me again why my tax dollars should pay for deer contraception when I already pay several license fees a year and see my dollar work before my eyes.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Here is a quote from NJ deer crash coalition.

"Deer-Vehicle Crashes are a growing problem in suburban and rural areas in New Jersey."

"growing problem"? If 'hunting' was working then why is it a "growing problem"? And why are other states that are heavily hunted have high DVA's for many many years.?

[NickLikesToSweepPick]

Looks like the New Jersey Fish and Wildlife Department needs to re-think their conservation plan then. Also, another thing I've noticed, all of he states with the deer/vehicle collision problems are on the east coast. Did it ever cross your mind that that part of the country might just be too densely populated with humans?

[DeliberateCruelty]

If they know that then why do they continue to use killing knowing it does not work? DNR that stupid not to notice its not working and they "wonder" why there are continued problems of dva's? Deer birth control is the only way and if they keep rejecting it then that means they only care about the killing industry and not the innocent citizens living in that county or state.

[ishootyourcat]

because we keep building new subdivisons and cutting down trees o wildlife habitat

o people feed them in suburbs keeping deer in the location

o more vehicles on the road

o more roads then ever before

o more distractions on the road mp3 cellphones

wow maybe im a liittle bit smarter than the average CITYIDIOT

def: CITYIDIOT- liberal minded person who thinks they know everything that happens even in the country. also supports saving wildlife but a woman can choose tokill herkid

[DeliberateCruelty]

'Hunting' org. are the ones "cutting down the trees" check video information.

The rest of your comment is too stupid for me to reply

[ishootyourcat]

um pretty sure they are called loggers, they may hunt but hunters want to preserve the forests and do some clear cutting to increase the undergrowth for food for the deer,

and what do you mean the rest of my comment is too stupid to comment on is it cuz its right wow all those reasons are why people are hitting deer wow cant believe that this means its not hunters falt why people are hitting deer dumb fuck

[WhiteOak79]

Predator to women & children? Ha ha ha ha!!! Thats another good one! Too bad 90% of rapes etc. occur in cities... far away from hunters. I can't wait to tell my wife and kids about you... they'll get a kick out of your nonsense! Keep up the funny comments! You should write a book! I would read it anytime I'm feeling low, that way I know I could be worse off! It could be like a motivational book... I got a title! "Relax, It could be worse!"

[DeliberateCruelty]

I got an idea and this is not sarcasm. I think they should build an arena and have man vs man type of "sports" instead of using the animals the hunters fight each other till the bloody end. You know how many sadistic people will pay to see that ? They make so much money for the state and they can "conserve" land for that purpose and with the money help our wildlife. How is that? I think that would sound awesome and I would pay to see little men crying and running for their lives.

[MnDeerHunter09]

Thats great... You bring the bible into the conversation and I give you verses from the bible said there is nothing wrong with eating meat and then you want to drop the subject. Typical anti.. you get proved wrong so you ignore the truth.

[DeliberateCruelty]

I am now done talking about Jesus because he was not about killing, he was about kindness, compassion, mercy and love. Whats worse is you take Jesus words and twist it to use it to justify recreational killing and that is what so pathetic about all of you "christian" wildlife killers.

[iEatDeadDeer]

Deer contraception is such a joke. Expensive and time consuming. Why waste the resources? I'd rather just eat the deer.

[DeliberateCruelty]

While millions of animals die for "sports" and thousands of innocent humans die from deer vehicle accident because of your excuses that you "eat meat". That is fine because this is not about eating meat its to abolish recreational killing and the first to go is bowkilling.

[iEatDeadDeer]

Yea.... keep dreaming. How could you POSSIBLY think that you can stop people from hunting? It's an American tradition! And it will NEVER happen.... How that whole sunday bowkilling thing going in Jersey BTW?? HAHAHA! Three more days and the law is IN EFFECT!

[DeliberateCruelty]

If they kill, they kill and not surprising because NJ wildlife agencies are crooks whose only concern is about slaughtering animals for profit. The wildlife killers fought hard to make sure the killing stays and sometimes the government sways with the killers for killing industry always had a larger voice then those of compassion and mercy.

[iEatDeadDeer]

Looks like we fought a little bit harder than you did. Profit or not, bow killing is here to stay. If it's not for you, then so be it. I'm not knocking you for that. But I'm not going to stop hunting because somebody else doesn't like it either. I eat what I kill. I like to eat what I kill. It is something I enjoy doing. At least I don't support slaughterhouse cruelty. Just makes more sense to hunt.

[DeliberateCruelty]

"tradition" is not an excuse for animal cruelty for "sports" and you just go on killing because I will go on exposing the ugly sadistic reality of bowkilling and the lies of the wildlife killers and the agencies. Like I said even if we won and the governor does sign (we have 2 days) it does not mean "victory" and we will continue to do what always been doing. I am peace knowing there is special place in afterlife for scums like you that destroys life to feign strength.

[iEatDeadDeer]

Kinda funny, huh? God was the first to kill an animal, and he did it for clothing for Adam and Eve. God gave animals to us to use for food. Jesus, himself, ate meat, and it is documented in several instances in the Bible. God commanded the eating of meat and even supplied animals on several occasions, presenting them as food for man. So, I don't know where you get off saying something like that. Unless your some kind of pagan or something.... worshipping plants and other such nonsense....

[DeliberateCruelty]

Yeah yeah yeah you and this hypocrite "God" that allows pain and suffering. Oh yeah and he "told" adam and eve to were animal skins that the only way one can get it is by killing. Sorry, WRONG. Yet you totally ignore the fact that in the bible corrupted by greedy and selfish humans there was also beating of black slaves (god "approved") so long as you don't kill them. So what is it, do you pick and choose the evil. Was your "God" partners with satan?

[DeliberateCruelty]

and in 2007 DVA's statistic Pennsylvania Michigan Illinois Ohio Georgia Virginia Minnesota Texas Indiana South Carolina Wisconsin NJ All heavy hunted states and DNR /hunters continue to lie to the public that they are "controlling" deer population.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Jesus was a vegetarain and his only and his diet was milk, honey and veggies. That is it.

[iEatDeadDeer]

Really? That's funny. Where in the bible does it say that? and if it doesn't say that in the bible, how do you know? Because in the Bible, Jesus ate fish and also feasted on the passover lamb.... so I would like to know where you get your information from...

[DeliberateCruelty]

do you believe these passage then too? It was "condoned" by Jesus too.

Beating and Killing Slaves: Although an owner could beat a male or female slave, she/he would have to avoid serious injury to eyes or teeth. The owner would have to avoid beating the slave to death. But it was acceptable to beat a slave so severely that it only disabled him or her for two days:

[DeliberateCruelty]

Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money [property]."

[DeliberateCruelty]

Exodus 21:26-27 "And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake."

Although I am not a religious person the reason why we talk about Jesus and meat is how you use sections of the bible pertaining to flesh eating to killing animals for "sports".

[DeliberateCruelty]

Also that is how they kept slavery legal for hundreds of years by using the bible. Pure evil as we see it today but at that time because it was "legal" and "in the bible" it was justified.

[MnDeerHunter09]

What about fish smart one. There is no denying that one. God ate fish and had no problem with people fishing. If he had no problem with fishing then why would he care if we hunted? He wouldnt. I'm surprised there are not any anti fishing people on youtube.

[DeliberateCruelty]

You mean the  probability that God "ate fish" justify you killing animals for recreational purpose? Although there was no fish eating it was "fish weeds"

[MnDeerHunter09]

Fish weeds haha. You make yourself sound so stupid. Several of Jesus' twelve disciples were fishermen. You may also remember when a boy brough jesus 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish and jesus multiplied them to feed the people. So no they didnt eat "fish weeds" they ate fish. That is probably one of the dumbest comments i have ever seen. Why do you think christians have the jesus fish symbol that you see on cars and other things? That would be because fish is an important part of the bible.

[DeliberateCruelty]

There are so many reason why fish are mentioned and its not about the fish as in the flesh. Among many other arguments that people advance to defend their custom of eating Meat, is that Christ partook of fish himself; but in the first place we know that Christ was surrounded by enemies who were always on the alert to construe wrongly every action of

[DeliberateCruelty]

His, as well as every word He uttered. Secondly, Christ was a Nazarite, Essene, and belonged to a Sect which abstained most strictly from Flesh of all kinds, and all who have visited the East know how sacredly all Decrees of the Sect are held. With regard to the miracle of the loaves and fishes, a very probable explanation is this:

[DeliberateCruelty]

Little rolls are made even at the present time in the East from the Fish Plant. The Babylonians made it their chief food, and the natives of Japan, who abstain from Meat, consider these Soft Submarine plants a great dainty. They are dived for by the fishermens wives, and they are sold as an article of everyday Diet in the markets. They are dried in the sun, beaten in a mortar and baked into bread. The Mohammedans order this Fish Plant to be eaten by the Faithful.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Is it not much more natural that in a basket containing bread, there should be found some of these little rolls made from the Fish Plant, than ordinary Fish which would have Contaminated the Bread by their presence there?

Now does this not make sense to you?

[MnDeerHunter09]

Genesis 27:3

Now then, get your weapons — your quiver and bow — and go out to the open country to hunt some wild game for me.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Oh you mean this?? LOLOL! This was written by the same man who put beating of black slaves so long as they don't die "condoned by God" in the bible. Do you believe that too? You think God created a sentient being that is capable of suffering so coward littlle men can shoot arrow into their body? Is that you think God is about? Is God that merciless and said only man should be free from intentional pain and suffering?

[MnDeerHunter09]

Luke 24:42-43 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate it in their presence. This one is by far the best, Genesis 9:2-3 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything." God was not a vegetarian

[DeliberateCruelty]

Fish was "fish weed" and God would not put "fear and dread" to any living thing especially animals because they are innocent. You keep reading the man corrupted bible and just picking and choosing the evil. Did you know rape, genocide and of course slavery was "condoned" by God in the bible too?

[MnDeerHunter09]

Fish weed haha that is stupid. Your the only one that would think of something like that. Please tell me why many of Jesus' desciples were fisherman. The pain and suffering hunters put on deer are far less than the pain and suffering they would have if there were no hunting. Sure hunters cause pain and suffering to a few select animals, but without hunting the all deer would suffer since the population would double and food would become scarce. Starving means months of suffering for the deer.

[DeliberateCruelty]

You must be a retard because you are at the other video so you know about how hunting causes deer overpopulation. You worry about "starvation" how many wounded deer does the wildlife killers leave behind? Like in Wisconsin with 68,000 wounded deer left on the forest ground . Even if the numbers are wrong and its 8,000 deer that is way too many and you all talk about 'starvation" what a load of crap.

[MnDeerHunter09]

Wow! Watch the name calling. That was low... What are you trying to say? What i was saying is without hunting the deer population would more than double and food would be come source and the deer would starve. The deer that are left in the woods have nothing to do with other deer starving. hunters dont purposley leave the deer in the woods, they just cant find the deer because of numerous reasons.

[DeliberateCruelty]

"hunters dont purposley leave the deer in the woods, they just cant find the deer because of numerous reasons. "

LOL you are pathetic!

[MnDeerHunter09]

Say what you want. The dead deer found in the woods after hunting season were never found by the hunters. Deer can run pretty far after a shot so the blood trail can get thin and at times disappear making it extremely difficult to track the deer. Im the pathetic one? You are the one calling people retards, sounds like you are the pathetic one.

[MnDeerHunter09]

Wow! Watch the name calling. That was low... What are you trying to say? What i was saying is without hunting the deer population would more than double and food would be come source and the deer would starve. The deer that are left in the woods have nothing to do with other deer starving. hunters dont purposley leave the deer in the woods, they just cant find the deer because of numerous reasons.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Christ was a Nazarite, Essene, and belonged to a Sect which abstained most strictly from Flesh of all kinds, and all who have visited the East know how sacredly all Decrees of the Sect are held. With regard to the miracle of the loaves and fishes, a very probable explanation is this: Little rolls are made even at the present time in the East from the Fish Plant.

[DeliberateCruelty]

The Babylonians made it their chief food, and the natives of Japan, who abstain from Meat, consider these Soft Submarine plants a great dainty.

Did anyone eat the fish? No. He said I make you fisher of men and he took them away perhaps to find a job that does not involve killing?

[MnDeerHunter09]

Well that fine that they eat the fish weed or sea weed what ever you want to call it, but this does not mean that he never ate fish or any other meat.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Jesus did not eat any fish he abide by his father law of "thou shalt not kill". You may be a "christian" hypocrite but not Jesus. This is not about meat eating so now back to subject on wildlife killing and the sadistic monsters who kills.

[MnDeerHunter09]

"thou shalt no kill" yet he gave us permission to eat meat. So obviously he was takling about the killing of people, not animals. So back to the sadistic monsers who kill wildlife.

[DeliberateCruelty]

He granted permission only after the flood, meaning temporarily because of lack of plant source but too bad you continue to think God wanted man to kill and eat flesh. That is why meat is the #1 cause of choking in adult human . I guess God thought it was funny to allow meat eating to human who have the anatomy for plant food not meat.

[DeliberateCruelty]

"Next. Mr. Feaser tackles the economic dimensions of deer contraception. He

quotes a figure of $1,000 per deer. The cost of the vaccine is $21/dose (we,

by law, must provide it at our cost of production, with no profit), the dart

costs about $1.50, and the bulk of the labor to do the darting is where the

real cost lies. Costs will vary from site to site, depending on who is doing

the work and what they are paid. If you want to pay someone $80,000 a year

to dart deer, the cost will be high"

[DeliberateCruelty]

" if you want to use trained volunteers

the cost is less; if you use employees already employed by a park, or

agency, or whatever, the cost is somewhere between. I actually can't say

what the costs would be in any given site because of these variables, but I

kept the books for the first two years of the Fire Island project and the

costs never exceeded $10,000. That included a two or three air fares from

Ohio and Montana to New York, and we treated about 150 deer. "

[DeliberateCruelty]

This is how much it cost jay kirkpatrick.

"My math shows

that to come out to about $66/deer. I wonder who estimated the $1,000 per

deer."

Overall we know that 'hunting' is NOT about "controlling" overpopulation and deer vehicle accident they are about causing it all.

[MnDeerHunter09]

I took the time to read the DAA article. I agree with Anthony Marr that the birth control will not work and the dart guns are inaccurate. I also think that the Trexler Wildlife Preserve deal was not good. I hate seeing forest being cleared. As far as DAA I dont think that many people would be for it. Locking deer into a fenced in area to inject them and to tag them. Do you know how they would tag them? I disagree with the him when he said it could be used as a viewing area also.

[DeliberateCruelty]

But its ok for you to shoot a bullet or an arrow into the animals to have them suffer and die for "sports" and where millions of extra deer are born for 'hunters' recreational purpose year after year while human die from deer vehicle accident. Is that what you are saying? If the IC (lets just say) served to benefited the 'hunters' and meant that they can continue to kill forever they would have had no argument but because IC is what going to end many uneccessary killing you don't want it.

[MnDeerHunter09]

The DAA will only work for parks and urban areas. DAA will never gain enough support to actually be used throughout the entire U.S. There are millions of deer in the U.S. and there is no way we could capture them all and afford to vaccinate the does. This would be time consuming, the labor, vaccine, and equipement would all be very expensive. So clearly DAA is not the answer either.

[Mercy4Wildlife]

And where was this "millions of deer" created from? That is right the DNR. Do you remember the quote from the PA Game Commission or did you conveniently "forget" that? You keep ignoring these 2 very important facts.

1. Deer are populated to serve the hunters - by the sale of the deer tags, great revenue for the State Agencies and "qood quality sports" for the killers are it was quoted in the Game Commission website.

2. DVA has gone UP as the result of hunting for many years .. NOT DOWN.

[Mercy4Wildlife]

It's been done and been proven effective. I will tell DC to put the link to the videos of the deer that got tagged (our deer) but she has the video. We had wildlife killing here for many years and still see tons of deer because killing does not work. I have plans to volunteer in a wildlife rescue here in town and she told me about deer injuries from hunters - terrible she says so I have plans to go out and take photos. We will see what happens for the next fall.

[trulyheaven777]

It's on ly been 'proven effective' on small ranches on deer, not in a wilflife model. Sorry. You're deluded.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Still ignoring fact and its not just ranches its been done in Fire Island NY and been proven to be very effect 60% drop in fawn production that is what Jay kirkpatrick says.

So not lets say we never use the IC, explain to us how we are going to bring the population down knowing killing does not work ?

[DeliberateCruelty]

We seen the deer vehicle accident are high in most the heavily hunted states, we seen the deer are getting out of controls plus thre is an ecological principal called compensatory. So give us an idea.

[trulyheaven777]

Actually, no, but we'll pretend your right since the logic is flawed anyway. They are the most heavily hunted BECAUSE of the deer population. Not the other way around. The habitat can sustain those bigger populations. "compensatory" is a theory that has not been justified in larger populations of deer, nor is it even that easy to find any relevant info on it. You guys exaggerate the smallest and most unproven things. 4 Google pages and not one reference.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Quote from Anthony Marr back in 2001

"Why do states like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, PA, GA and TX which have the most hunters also have the most deer? Why have deer populations in these as well as other heavily hunted states steadily risen in the past three or four decades? "

[trulyheaven777]

Who is Anthony Marr? ARA nutball. It's his opinion, which is truly meaningless. There are actually lots of other factors that he and you clowns, ignore. If the stats are even valid.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Who is state wildlife Agencies, DNR and game commission.? Bunch of pro-kill heartless humans who continue to lie and deceive the public as deer are deliberately overpopulated to benefit the killing community as innocent human die and our wildlife suffers horribly. To you, anyone who cares for our animals and wants to help them is a "clown" or we have "bleeding heart . The recreational killing community disgusts beyond words!

[DeliberateCruelty]

Who are you? A nobody!

[DeliberateCruelty]

The "viewing" is his method of slowly bringing the population down without any lethal form because he is totally against killing . He is a wildlife conservationist who do not believe in killing to "save" wildlife. Do you know mess that 'hunting' organization have left? Because of 'hunting' we have more deer then ever before in such unhealthy number and its no wonder deer vehicle continue to rise.

[MnDeerHunter09]

When the deer are in the cage a couple of people have to come up to the deer and wrestle it to the ground and the third will inject the vaccine. The trapping process and the physical handling have been known to be so traumatic as to cause heart-attacks in the deer. So with that said from anthony marr I think we can all say that deer birth control does not work.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Now, do explain this again because its how most wildlife agencies work.

"We strive to maintain a deer herd that each year that can provide quality sport to more than a million hunters. "

"Pennsylvania's deer herd is managed for recreational opportunities and aesthetic appeal"

"will assure large numbers of antlered bucks because terrific numbers of deer will be born each year and button bucks wouldn't be harvested. "

How old are you? You know nothing about DAA lol Now answer the above.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Leeeeeetttt's DO THIS AGAIN. Where is all this deer coming from? Strange how the deer population continues to get larger and larger with 'hunting'. What did we talk about before you still ignore the fact that DNR rejects the deer birth control because they want the deer overpopulation. Without 'hunters' there be no need for DNR manipulating wildlife so there be an abundance of deer to satisfy the 'hunters' each season.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Do you know my deer here gets tagged, they got big yellow stuff on their ear and collars on some of them and they started it this year hopefully they will be testing birth control. All my deer are still here and happy, none have died from a "heart attack" except I lost 2 of my favorite buck deer from a scum bow'hunter' last deer killing season..

[MnDeerHunter09]

How many deer do you have tagged? I'm sure you have water and feed out in your yard for them so you can watch them from you house. If hunters were to put food or water out for them you would be calling us cheaters and other names, yet we love to watch the animals just as much as anyone else, if not more.

[DeliberateCruelty]

You are comparing giving them food and water to make them happy to giving them food to kill them? That is why I believe all the wildlife serial killers should be shipped to an Island filled with Native Cannibals and each day we have our little prayers that it will happen. Beware of the "you won a free cruise" mail you might get in your mailbox LOL!!

[MnDeerHunter09]

I meant that if you were to see a hunter with something like a salt block or some corn in their yard, you would be accusing of us of baiting or come up with some with some other bs, when really hunters love to watch the animals just as much as anyone else. Most of your average deer hunters are happy when they just see a deer, its just a bonus when we get to pull the trigger and enjoy the venison. I actaully have deer that come to my yard quite often, that i will not shoot b/c i enjoy seeing them

[DeliberateCruelty]

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[DeliberateCruelty]

The deer birth control works, where does it say it does not. Here is his quote.

"However, due to the proven effectiveness of the IC technology, they seldom attack the vaccine itself, but its methods of delivery, citing expensiveness as the leading objection."

But they all have their opinion. Jay kirkpatrick wrote this about IC cost.

cont.

[TheChoujinVirus]

But this isn't permanent, as I found out. It only lasts for 2 years and requires constant darting.

The only way to dart them would be to hit them in the spring time (mating season for deer) where the food is the most plentiful and where they're harder to find.

Another problem is when "non-target animals" get the drug. That is why an indigestible drug is dangerous because it can cause damages to nature.

How do we know this drug won't make things worse?

[DeliberateCruelty]

"PZP vaccine is as natural--or unnatural--as wearing clothes, taking aspirin, using chemical lures, high tech bows, razor tipped arrows, guns, traps and poison. PZP is a protein found in the ovaries of pigs, specifically the eggs. It is no different than the protein found in a pork chop or a piece of ham."

Why don't you read more information about IC rather then yapping negativity because you do not want it.

[TheChoujinVirus]

PZP is suppose to cause the membrane of a deer egg to become impregnable to the sperm.

Funny you jumped to those already Sophia, maybe you also know about attempts to control free ranged deer. The information I looked up also said that the test was successful in a controlled area.

"PZP is a protein found in the ovaries of pigs, specifically the eggs. It is no different than the protein found in a pork chop or a piece of ham."

Same with Phytoestrogen in Soy, your point?

[DeliberateCruelty]

Funny how 'hunters' pretend to "fear" the IC when its been said by Jay kirkpatrick that is safe but when one mentions to wildlife killers about mad deer diseases or pesticide they will argue till their face is purple that its "safe" even though mad deer disease have killed people. You see how much sense the wildlife killers make.?

'Hunters' do not want the deer birth control because it will take all the pretty deer to kill away from them.

[DeliberateCruelty]

They don't want the IC because it will keep the population down. 'Hunters' also kills deer's natural predators because they want the population as high as possible and not a care in the world about human lives lost in Deer Vehicle Accidents.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Funny how you say "requires" year after year but seem to totally ignore how 'hunting' has caused this overabundance of deer. 'Hunting' is not the solution and never have been the solution for deer overpopulaiton and DVA's instead THEY have been the problem. Link on video information.

[TheChoujinVirus]

Sorry, California doesn't have those problems, since our Fish and Wildlife is way stricter

Baiting is Illegal in California

Poaching is Illegal in California

oh and here's something I like about it..

Zero Tolerance on hunt Sabbers in California

DVA in California is very minimal.

[DeliberateCruelty]

"Baiting is Illegal in California

Poaching is Illegal in California

oh and here's something I like about it..

Zero Tolerance on hunt Sabbers in California"

They are all the same here too. Baiting is illegal but they still do it and I am sure CA is no different. Poaching and hunters are no different, so that argument is mute. Hunt sabbing is 0 tolerance here too but still happened. So what is your point?

[TheChoujinVirus]

there's a total difference between Poaching and Hunting

Poaching is hunting anything that's not in season. Hunting is within season, if You'd just put you Animal Rights pride aside you'd see it.

My point is simply this: You sab in California, You will be caught and arrested

[DeliberateCruelty]

Poachers kills innocent animal for "fun" while dumping the bodies

Hunters kill innocent animal for "fun" while dumping the bodies.

same thing different season.

[DeliberateCruelty]

The cost?

How much does PZP cost per dose per deer?

The cost of PZP vaccine is between $10 and $25 per dose at present and is constantly being reduced as production becomes more efficient.

The only thing is labor which can vary from state to state and A. Marr has a new thing called "DAA" which is available but Jay Kirkpatrick said he did it it cost him 66$ a deer.

[MnDeerHunter09]

Deer birth control may work in small areas such as state parks and other fenced in areas. There is no way this would work out in wild. Do you really think that anyone is going to chase deer in there trucks and try to shoot them with a dart gun? no, very few people would want to do that and even if people were willing to do it, there is no way they could get enough deer to be effective. I cant believe you anti hunters think this is the solution.

[DeliberateCruelty]

@Mn

Read about DAA on the video information.

[pteropusvampyrus1]

The idea that people would pay taxes (in a depression) to hire professionals to capture and treat the millions of deer in remote locations across america (regularly) and stop the natural harvest of obtaining food (alot of which goes to feed the hungry) is a HUGE insult to human intellegence. We can't even stop human overpopulation and you want to try it with a wild animal. You idiots are just F'N GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DeliberateCruelty]

Millions of extra deer are bred just for "sports" and trophy AND people "across America" are not eating venison they are buying food (much cheaper). "Harvest"? I don't see no potatoes only deer and "giving" to the pantries is BS, its easy to "give" something you yourelf don't want. There are 45 billion pnds of food wasted in America every year and there are salvage program so why don't you all get together and do just that so you can also feed yourself and the hungry.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Plus 'hunters' continue to ignore the deer vehicle accidents ALL "across America" that are taking human lives because of the overpopulation that 'hunting' public made worse. DVA has gone UP as the result of 'hunting' yet wildlife Agencies continue to reject the IC (deer birth control) because without the antlered deer for "trophy" how would their sell their killing license?

[DeliberateCruelty]

This was written in 2001 by Anthony Marr

"Why do states like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, PA, GA and TX which have the most hunters also have the most deer? Why have deer populations in these as well as other heavily hunted states steadily risen in the past three or four decades? "

[DeliberateCruelty]

Now this is the info about DVA from "Deer Management" website. Some states have far more deer collisions than others. According to State Farm's claim statistics, the 10 states with the most deer crashes between June 1, 2005 and June 30, 2006 account for more than half of all such claims. Pennsylvania Michigan Illinois Ohio Georgia Virginia Minnesota Texas Indiana South Carolina Ohio and Virginia also was mentioned in other article big wildlife killing states yet still too many deer.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Again this is what he writes in 2001

"Game management is designed to insure a bumper crop of replacement "targets" each fall. Lots of "targets" means lots of hunters. Lots of hunters mean revenue for the state and federal wildlife management coffers. Consequently, deer populations are tied to and explicitly managed by permits. That is the nuts and bolts of deer management in America. The problem with the agenda is that it is working too well. "

[DeliberateCruelty]

Now this is from PA Game Commission or Wildlife Agency website about deer and hunting.

"We strive to maintain a deer herd that each year that can provide quality sport to more than a million hunters."

"will assure large numbers of antlered bucks because terrific numbers of deer will be born each year "

[DeliberateCruelty]

The reason why killing does not work :

"What is reproductive rebound?

Reproductive rebound is a well documented population dynamic in deer and other mammals. Deer conceive multiple embryos but the number of fawns actually born is determined by a number of complex factors including nutrition and herd density. "

[DeliberateCruelty]

"With competition for food reduced by a sudden drop in herd numbers, younger fawns will breed and females will give birth to twins and triplets instead of single fawns.

In its 1990 report, "An Assessment of Deer Hunting in New Jersey," New Jersey Fish and Game offered a detailed example of this process. "

[DeliberateCruelty]

Its report shows that even during hunting seasons in which killing female deer was the objective (antlerless seasons), the remaining females had increased birthrates that not only replaced the ones killed, but increased the overall size of the herd."

Also PA refuse the IC even though they "complain" of overpopulated deer.

[BuckOfThunder]

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