I think in response we should make it illegal for Georgia Politicians to cough during speeches. If they cough while making a speech they should be put to death. I'd propose this law coinside with the anti-miscarriage law.
@floridaman2000 I know that you're a jerk but don't insult yourself by using that word. You made yourself look like a chistian fundy fucktard with your joke so chill out.
@floridaman2000 Yes but it wouldn't the first time that I've met another atheist who was incredibly sexist. I am glad you were joking, you have some integrity. The way you typed your original comment out was indefinable from the real thing so let's leave it at that.
This is a propaganda piece. Where are the specifics? There was no relevant or unbiased info given. And, to equate all republicans, or "evangelicals" with this is like saying All Germans born everywhere and any point in history is liable for the concentration camps, this makes no sense. The video's own language is murkier than the bill. C'mon MSNBC!
Wouldn't God be the one to blame for Miscarriages? Maybe they could give him the death penalty? It's going to be hysterical when this guy gets caught having gay sex... They all get busted for it eventually.
@majorblood87 b/c Liberals are not violent enough :(
we are peaceful
but ..... the tea party on the other hand has tons of self-interested extremists on their side, committing violent crimes because they can and getting away with it; like verbally attacking peaceful Muslims or killing innocent immigrant families
FUK THIS more ppl need to vote cause I know ppl like this are not speaking for what the majority of Americans think, these ppl are not our representatives..
I agree with Bobby Franklin. All women should be either arrested or electrically prodded to death if they suffer a miscarriage. We should also legalize rape and punish women if they get raped.
Maybe it's because he said he was God's candidate in a country where if you are atheist you are unelectable. He said W worships pagan gods. And you elected him, Georgia - "Islamic terrorism is not the greatest threat facing America. God is."
Georgia is #9 in church attendence in the US at 52%. States at the top include; Alabama Louisiana South Carolina Mississippi Arkansas Utah Nebraska North Carolina Georgia Tennessee Oklahoma
You cannot imagine the OUTRAGE i felt when I first heard about this - WTF is wrong with America? And Georgia isn't the first state to attempt this legislation - when do the rights of the 'unborn' supercede the rights of the already born?
@mindprism What the hell are you talking about MSNBC is lying about miscarriage. Are you saying miscarriage is a conspiracy or something? Get your head out of your arse, please.
@DeeDemonwitch They are lying because they don't have a modifier on the word miscarriage, causing people to assume a natural miscarriage, which is not the case.
Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a 'spontaneous abortion' and popularly as a 'miscarriage' so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event.
a) how can there be "no human involvement" with the woman being a human (even for most republicans)?
b) how do you make sure there the woman had no part in it? Would it be enough if she got an infection from a rare steak and this led to the miscarriage?
c) it would outlaw a lot of contraceptive methods such as the contraceptive coil or Plan B.
But I love such bills, they show perfectly what they're really about: total control of women
@giliellthesecond EXACTLY! I have had many miscarriages and it is almost impossible to prove it wasn't something that had no "human involvement". People who propose such bills and support them are the real criminals.
Yes, and they claim they care and they have no idea what pain they are inflicting on somebody who'd have loved to have that child and who's lost it and who's already in self-doubt and misery.
But again, it makes those women see how easily the become a target of the "pro-dead-women-and-dumpster-babies" movement.
Yes, so tell me she didn't fall those stairs down with the intent of having an abortion.
Or whether she knew she was pregnant when she took that medication that led to her miscarriage with the intention of having an abortion.
That's the problem. With most miscarriages you cannot even say what happened or why after the event. But when a fetus is declared a person, every death of a fetus has to be treated like the death of a born person and has to be investigated by the police.
@giliellthesecond If a man and a pregnant woman get in a fight, and he doesn't know she is pregnant, but is the starter of the fight. And due to that fight, she has a miscarriage. Is he guilty of manslaughter?
If a woman KNOWS she is pregnant, instigates a fight with another woman, has a miscarriage. Is she guilty of manslaughter?
Also, where are the laws punishing a pregnant woman from smoking -- the worst second hand smoke of them all?
I think if such legislation gets passed then laws regulating all kinds of stuff pregnant women can/cannot do would probably follow, since the fetus would then be a minor entitled to protection from the government.
You think a jury wouldn't give a woman the death penanlty, but do you think they wouldn't find her guilty? Look at the disgusting cases the "pro-dead-women" movement has brought to court so far.
What do you think would happen to the woman who started the fight?
Here is what I find -- it is illogical to hold a third party responsible for things that threaten a pregnancy, and not hold the pregnant individual responsible also -- as my questions illustrated.
And when you get right down to it, how is inducing an miscarriage any different than inducing a bloody nose -- when you subtract the womans dictate of whether there is a person or not in her belly.
Mhh, no, it's not the woman's dictate whether there's a person in her body or not (that would mean murder in one case and bodily injury in another).
But I didn't want to debate the whole concept of bodily integrity here, but the question of putting all women who sufffer a miscarriage under suspision of having an (if that legislation were passed) ilegal abortion and therefore probably charging her with murder.
Would you think it possible, give precendences in the USA where "pro-life" groups tried to drag women and doctors in front of juries, where there are sometimes very, for somebody who's used to a different judical system, ridiculous murder charges (for gang members who were merely present at the scene of crime), that a woman who had a miscarriage would be falsely accused of having murdered somebody?
@giliellthesecond You have to put yourself in the lawmakers position-
If someone is DUI and causes the miscarriage of another, then what should happen to that offender? Nothing? And if something, then don't you have to apply it to the pregnant woman if she herself is DUI and causes a miscarriage? I think, unless that also is law, then the first example would be able to argue out of the law being applied to them.
The difference between somebody else inducing a miscarriage against the woman's will and her herself doing that is the same fundamental differnce between getting a piercing and somebody poking holes into you against your will.
Why should something happen to the person who caused the miscarriage (and who isn't the woman herself) ? Because that person hurt that woman and endangered her life because there are complications that can come with a miscarriage.
Well of course, he hurt her. But he can't hurt her baby because its existence depends on the womans recognition of it.
It makes as much sense as saying I can kill my ten year old son, but you can't. Either the fetus has legal standing on its own, or does not. WHICH DO YOU WANT? :)
@giliellthesecond I don't think any jury is going to give the death penalty to a woman on a 'hunch' she was trying to miscarry.
{has to be investigated by the police.}
Do you believe it is a womans right to induce a miscarriage at any time during her pregnancy? And what of someone who induces the same miscarriage against her will -- what are they guilty of?
Do I believe in a woman's right to chose? yes, I do.
"To induce a miscarriage at any time" is technically not possible, since the term miscarriage is limited to a certain time during gestation.
If somebody hurts a pregnant woman and thereby induces a miscarriage/stillbirth her will it's unlawful abortion.
BTW, there are already laws that punish women for deciding about the way they want to deliver and women on trial for the death of their babies during birth
It can and very well may pass. A similar law was passed in Utah about a year ago, and a girl is facing LIFE IN PRISON because of a miscarriage in Mississippi. Look it up--this kind of thing is spreading, an it horrifying.
Maybe women in Georgia should send these people pictures of their soiled tampons and pads when they want evidence for their "crimes." :P Fuck Bobby Franklin and his anti-woman legislation.
How about we impose the Death Penalty on elected officials who introduce dumb bills to the legislature?
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luvitluvitbaby 4 months ago
Who ever came up with this bill should be executed for potential genocide.
EVIL FU*KS
digitalmidgets 5 months ago
Rejoice, for this asshole is feeding the worms now.
tiradegrandmarshal 7 months ago
death penalty because a miscarriage?!
are they stupid or what?!, seriously!
mafermononoke 7 months ago
Vote out the people that tried to pass this bill
seonidh 8 months ago
I think in response we should make it illegal for Georgia Politicians to cough during speeches. If they cough while making a speech they should be put to death. I'd propose this law coinside with the anti-miscarriage law.
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floridaman2000 8 months ago
@floridaman2000 I hope you're joking.
hildegain 8 months ago
@hildegain well DUH
floridaman2000 8 months ago
@floridaman2000 I know that you're a jerk but don't insult yourself by using that word. You made yourself look like a chistian fundy fucktard with your joke so chill out.
hildegain 8 months ago
@hildegain im an atheist
floridaman2000 8 months ago
@floridaman2000 Yes but it wouldn't the first time that I've met another atheist who was incredibly sexist. I am glad you were joking, you have some integrity. The way you typed your original comment out was indefinable from the real thing so let's leave it at that.
hildegain 8 months ago
Abortion is wrong goddamnit. I don't know why people can't understand that
draber12 10 months ago
@draber12
Miscarriage =/= abortion. Stay relevant to the topic, please.
Fuleadeare 7 months ago
sounds like its a move against the morning after pill
smashbeans 11 months ago
republicans arnt the problem, stupid christians are. Im mostly republican, and this is retarded
MyLOLPwny 11 months ago 7
@MyLOLPwny You get two brownie points for one of the best channel names I have seen. XD
watch?v=J9J2vF3Q3o8
alowlyapprentice 11 months ago
@alowlyapprentice Thank you my good sir, I do appreciate the recognition.
MyLOLPwny 11 months ago
This is a propaganda piece. Where are the specifics? There was no relevant or unbiased info given. And, to equate all republicans, or "evangelicals" with this is like saying All Germans born everywhere and any point in history is liable for the concentration camps, this makes no sense. The video's own language is murkier than the bill. C'mon MSNBC!
mattnaturally 11 months ago
Hold on, it's not April first yet. They did this story wayyy too early.
Gorester69 11 months ago
Being a bad republican should be a death penalty!
Symfani 11 months ago
Wouldn't God be the one to blame for Miscarriages? Maybe they could give him the death penalty? It's going to be hysterical when this guy gets caught having gay sex... They all get busted for it eventually.
Daverbater 11 months ago
Republicans, democrats are all the same party anyways. I hate politics seriously. Either way they are serving the corporations...
missaquaboogie 11 months ago
How am I not suprised? there is no state that can tell me what to do with my body. States need to keep their heads out side of my pussy!
missaquaboogie 11 months ago 6
Miscarriages grow up to become republicans
oldcomic1 11 months ago 14
Why has no one assassinated him yet?
majorblood87 11 months ago
@majorblood87 b/c Liberals are not violent enough :(
we are peaceful
but ..... the tea party on the other hand has tons of self-interested extremists on their side, committing violent crimes because they can and getting away with it; like verbally attacking peaceful Muslims or killing innocent immigrant families
FUK THIS more ppl need to vote cause I know ppl like this are not speaking for what the majority of Americans think, these ppl are not our representatives..
Apathyxz 11 months ago 2
Why a push? Americans are INSAINE!
derberg19486 11 months ago
Fucking white trash rednecks. Crazy republican bastards, I'm glad I don't live in those shitty states like Georgia or Utah.
charmander4533 11 months ago
I agree with Bobby Franklin. All women should be either arrested or electrically prodded to death if they suffer a miscarriage. We should also legalize rape and punish women if they get raped.
Bomber0907 11 months ago
"How did he get elected"
Maybe it's because he said he was God's candidate in a country where if you are atheist you are unelectable. He said W worships pagan gods. And you elected him, Georgia - "Islamic terrorism is not the greatest threat facing America. God is."
Georgia is #9 in church attendence in the US at 52%. States at the top include; Alabama Louisiana South Carolina Mississippi Arkansas Utah Nebraska North Carolina Georgia Tennessee Oklahoma
Where are these bills coming from again?
Teloculos 11 months ago
Um, what fucking century are we in again??? I am speechless. Wow.
YeOldeHeretic 11 months ago
This is real life? And a serious bill?
This bill isn't being brought up to make a point? O_o
lisamariefan 11 months ago
Take THAT Onion News!
TheLaughingOut 11 months ago
You cannot imagine the OUTRAGE i felt when I first heard about this - WTF is wrong with America? And Georgia isn't the first state to attempt this legislation - when do the rights of the 'unborn' supercede the rights of the already born?
JTlovesDexter 11 months ago
Looks like some politicians with down syndrome on LSD got a hold of a pen again! "uhh lets kill anyone who has a miscarriage!"
infinityms 11 months ago
@TheElMoIsEviL MSNBC is flat out lying about miscarriages. Read the bill.
mindprism 11 months ago
@mindprism What the hell are you talking about MSNBC is lying about miscarriage. Are you saying miscarriage is a conspiracy or something? Get your head out of your arse, please.
xxxild 11 months ago
@mindprism Yes, as xxxild asks, what is it they're lying about?
DeeDemonwitch 11 months ago
@DeeDemonwitch They are lying because they don't have a modifier on the word miscarriage, causing people to assume a natural miscarriage, which is not the case.
mindprism 11 months ago
From the Bill: 'prenatal murder'
Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a 'spontaneous abortion' and popularly as a 'miscarriage' so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event.
Why do you lie MSNBC?
mindprism 11 months ago
@mindprism
Here's the problem:
a) how can there be "no human involvement" with the woman being a human (even for most republicans)?
b) how do you make sure there the woman had no part in it? Would it be enough if she got an infection from a rare steak and this led to the miscarriage?
c) it would outlaw a lot of contraceptive methods such as the contraceptive coil or Plan B.
But I love such bills, they show perfectly what they're really about: total control of women
giliellthesecond 11 months ago
@giliellthesecond EXACTLY! I have had many miscarriages and it is almost impossible to prove it wasn't something that had no "human involvement". People who propose such bills and support them are the real criminals.
Laurel
YeOldeHeretic 11 months ago
@YeOldeHeretic
Yes, and they claim they care and they have no idea what pain they are inflicting on somebody who'd have loved to have that child and who's lost it and who's already in self-doubt and misery.
But again, it makes those women see how easily the become a target of the "pro-dead-women-and-dumpster-babies" movement.
giliellthesecond 11 months ago
@giliellthesecond Well hopefully this will make even the most blasé folks' heads spin!
YeOldeHeretic 11 months ago
@giliellthesecond The text makes perfect sense, your (A) is absurd.
(b) murder involves intent
(c) I am not here to argue anything other than the MSNBC lie of death penalty for miscarriages.
mindprism 11 months ago
@mindprism
Yes, so tell me she didn't fall those stairs down with the intent of having an abortion.
Or whether she knew she was pregnant when she took that medication that led to her miscarriage with the intention of having an abortion.
That's the problem. With most miscarriages you cannot even say what happened or why after the event. But when a fetus is declared a person, every death of a fetus has to be treated like the death of a born person and has to be investigated by the police.
giliellthesecond 11 months ago
@giliellthesecond If a man and a pregnant woman get in a fight, and he doesn't know she is pregnant, but is the starter of the fight. And due to that fight, she has a miscarriage. Is he guilty of manslaughter?
If a woman KNOWS she is pregnant, instigates a fight with another woman, has a miscarriage. Is she guilty of manslaughter?
Also, where are the laws punishing a pregnant woman from smoking -- the worst second hand smoke of them all?
mindprism 11 months ago
@mindprism
I think if such legislation gets passed then laws regulating all kinds of stuff pregnant women can/cannot do would probably follow, since the fetus would then be a minor entitled to protection from the government.
You think a jury wouldn't give a woman the death penanlty, but do you think they wouldn't find her guilty? Look at the disgusting cases the "pro-dead-women" movement has brought to court so far.
What do you think would happen to the woman who started the fight?
giliellthesecond 11 months ago
@giliellthesecond {do you think they wouldn't find her guilty?}
Here is what I find -- it is illogical to hold a third party responsible for things that threaten a pregnancy, and not hold the pregnant individual responsible also -- as my questions illustrated.
And when you get right down to it, how is inducing an miscarriage any different than inducing a bloody nose -- when you subtract the womans dictate of whether there is a person or not in her belly.
mindprism 11 months ago
@mindprism
Mhh, no, it's not the woman's dictate whether there's a person in her body or not (that would mean murder in one case and bodily injury in another).
But I didn't want to debate the whole concept of bodily integrity here, but the question of putting all women who sufffer a miscarriage under suspision of having an (if that legislation were passed) ilegal abortion and therefore probably charging her with murder.
So, to ignore the question of abortion:
->next comment
giliellthesecond 11 months ago
Would you think it possible, give precendences in the USA where "pro-life" groups tried to drag women and doctors in front of juries, where there are sometimes very, for somebody who's used to a different judical system, ridiculous murder charges (for gang members who were merely present at the scene of crime), that a woman who had a miscarriage would be falsely accused of having murdered somebody?
giliellthesecond 11 months ago
@giliellthesecond {who had a miscarriage would be falsely accused of having murdered somebody? }
"Accused" is rather fuzzy as it sits, so lets use convicted.
-- Far less than being falsely convicted of regular murder, but isn't false conviction a potential anytime you try to protect life?
It would take serious evidence for a prosecutor because he has to overcome a LOT of fundamental reluctance by the jury.
mindprism 11 months ago
@giliellthesecond You have to put yourself in the lawmakers position-
If someone is DUI and causes the miscarriage of another, then what should happen to that offender? Nothing? And if something, then don't you have to apply it to the pregnant woman if she herself is DUI and causes a miscarriage? I think, unless that also is law, then the first example would be able to argue out of the law being applied to them.
mindprism 11 months ago
@mindprism
The difference between somebody else inducing a miscarriage against the woman's will and her herself doing that is the same fundamental differnce between getting a piercing and somebody poking holes into you against your will.
Why should something happen to the person who caused the miscarriage (and who isn't the woman herself) ? Because that person hurt that woman and endangered her life because there are complications that can come with a miscarriage.
giliellthesecond 11 months ago
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@giliellthesecond {Because that person hurt that woman}
Well of course, he hurt her. But he can't hurt her baby because its existence depends on the womans recognition of it.
It makes as much sense as saying I can kill my ten year old son, but you can't. Either the fetus has legal standing on its own, or does not. WHICH DO YOU WANT? :)
mindprism 11 months ago
@giliellthesecond I don't think any jury is going to give the death penalty to a woman on a 'hunch' she was trying to miscarry.
{has to be investigated by the police.}
Do you believe it is a womans right to induce a miscarriage at any time during her pregnancy? And what of someone who induces the same miscarriage against her will -- what are they guilty of?
mindprism 11 months ago
@mindprism
Ahhh, goal-post shift.
Do I believe in a woman's right to chose? yes, I do.
"To induce a miscarriage at any time" is technically not possible, since the term miscarriage is limited to a certain time during gestation.
If somebody hurts a pregnant woman and thereby induces a miscarriage/stillbirth her will it's unlawful abortion.
BTW, there are already laws that punish women for deciding about the way they want to deliver and women on trial for the death of their babies during birth
giliellthesecond 11 months ago
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@giliellthesecond I just wanted to know your basic stance, not shifting goals at all.
To be sure I'm correct, you believe a woman has the right to abortion at will during the full nine months?
{her will it's unlawful abortion.}
Which is a crime equivalent to what.
{about the way they want to deliver and women on trial for the death of their babies during birth}
Um, good. Endangering a life is a bad thing, is it not?
mindprism 11 months ago
@giliellthesecond
THIS
Fuleadeare 7 months ago
It'll never pass they just create legislation to waste peoples time and make them angry...
It makes their job of fucking people over so much easier.
DackIsBack 11 months ago
@DackIsBack MSNBC is flat out lying about miscarriages. Read the bill.
mindprism 11 months ago
@mindprism Counterpropaganda is just as bad as propaganda. Thanks for the head's up.
TheMercilessEye 11 months ago
@DackIsBack
It can and very well may pass. A similar law was passed in Utah about a year ago, and a girl is facing LIFE IN PRISON because of a miscarriage in Mississippi. Look it up--this kind of thing is spreading, an it horrifying.
Fuleadeare 7 months ago
LOL What a joke the law is.
landsell 11 months ago
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@landsell MSNBC is flat out lying about miscarriages. Read the bill.
mindprism 11 months ago
Maybe women in Georgia should send these people pictures of their soiled tampons and pads when they want evidence for their "crimes." :P Fuck Bobby Franklin and his anti-woman legislation.
gir908922 11 months ago 16
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@gir908922 MSNBC is flat out lying about miscarriages. Read the bill.
mindprism 11 months ago
@gir908922 Stopping women from kill babies is anti-woman legislation? When did women get the license to kill?
MrWsad 5 months ago
Fucking hell.
Al1981X 11 months ago
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@Al1981X MSNBC is flat out lying about miscarriages. Read the bill.
mindprism 11 months ago