man! i miss old times!! i became black belt shodan 5 years ago.. but i gave up karate because we moved to another place..... i really miss all these things.... karate became very useful for me... and I'll always be thankful! :) or else i won't be the strong girl that i am right now... :) i almost forgot everything, but watching all these videos, my memories are fresh again! :)
Really liked this video. Some interesting differences compared to Shotokan's Bassai Dai. The circular movements look very usable for defense (those shuto/open hand blocks). and the stances seem a lot more natural (neko ashi dachi) to move in and out of.
@DragonboyVNY yeah, the differences are interesting. i actually like the kokutsu dachi in the shotokan version for forward movement with shuto uke better. we do bassai dai in shindo jinen ryu as well and it is pretty much the same as this shito ryu version, except the timing is a little different.
I took up Shotokan when I started college. 5 years later I saw various teaching styles from students emulating their teachers. I saw what their sensei were like who came for seminars and gradings. All were good, JKA, JKS, SKIF. But last year I finally found a home club I was happy with and finally changed over. I still keep contact with the old sempai and take the chance to learn from them. But I wish someone was more critical of my technique al this time for the sake of saving my hips.
@lengkong92 I recommend any genuine KWF affiliated shotokan club. If the thought of them getting angry scares you its a good teacher. If they value kihon,kata & kumite equally it's a good teacher. If the teacher and other students look impressive it's a good club. Good luck.
@lengkong92 If you can't find a good shitoryu school which can be rare try the more common shotokan. As long as its traditional focused non-contact and not solely a sport karate club ie KWF.Try at least 4 or 5 clubs is my advice. Don't stop looking until you find the best place possible. You don't want to learn terrible technique for 20 years as is what happens all too often.Osu.
@lengkong92 You are young. If you doubt your previous sensei & school start from scratch at whitebelt with a reputable school. Don't worry about belt colour only making your technique great. If you have brownbelt skills you will get back to brown and then blackbelt much more quickly than you did first up. Making your kihon and kata great from white to black is so important.
i start joining karate during my high school yr.4 me,krate are totally awesome.but then,aftr a few years,i stop to go to my krate class because my sensei not good at all.my kata's not so good but compared to the othr member i'm quite ok so my sensei give me double every grading test.
.but for me,i dun think that i deserve it.i'm now a brown belt n i continue my karate at the university but i'm shy to wear my brown belt cuz my skill dont show tht i'm a brown belt holder.sorry for the poor english
@asdf33 i think there are even more, remenber that there are to meny masters than even today keep making more katas, don't forget that a kata is a story from a fight, and when you practice kata, you are telling the story.
@asdf33 Oh there are more than that... and one part of being shodan and higher is committing enough years into karate to learn these katas, both as muscle memory and bunkai.
I agree with TimeSplitter64, some instructors it doesn't matter how old their students are, as long as they pay, they keep getting promoted. I like it the way it is in my dojang. There are only 2 Cho Dans under the age of 10, and they are the best of the best, even amoung the adults. Just because you see young black belts, that doesn't mean that the instructor is bad, just means that they're greedy.
@reymysteriocookie your English is great, almost perfect. I like this system of keeping black belts exclusive for more mature students. I meet people fairly often in America that, for whatever reason, were granted a black belt when they were 12 and haven't practiced in 15 years, but they go around telling people they have a black belt in tae kwon do (for instance)
The shite Bassai Dai is the same I guess for all. However, some of the tokui Bassai/Passai I've seen are really, really weird. Perhaps they might be a descendant of Matsumura no Bassai or another Bassai, but it's really weird.
@ntwater you are right. karate is going to be an olympic game that why i stop doing karate two years ago although i have a black belt. and now i watch videos and do practise on my own so as not to forget karate. this is our abjection. and many sports have the same problem. here in greece we have PAGRATIO which is a very tough sport from the ancient years. however now it seems that in a few years it would be also moving away from martial arts just like all the others.
I agree with Time Splitter, a child should at least be 16 before they can get a black belt. They need to demonstrate discipline and know what it means to be a black belt. Issue that I have with TKD is that it has become a sport and moving away from Martial Art.
@NONAG0N Oh and for the record, I think the minimum age for shodan in the JKA is 16, the same as it is for Judo. Exceptions are given though for students who excel.
grading up is something that has to take time, because you can grade up from yellow to brown in 1 year, it's impossible, even if you know all the techniques well. For me it doesn't matter what belt I am, for me, it's the experience that counts (I have a green belt). You can be brown but you still can get beaten by an orange belt, and that's what counts for me.
@pizzaboy770 yes i agree i am a black belt and i have been beaten once or twice by lower belt people but that doesn't matter because then it makes the other person happy knowing that even though the belt means they have a higher grading then you but it doesn't mean that you are always going to be much better.
It annoys me now when i spectate other classes being taught and you see fast rushed sloppy katas and then they pass the grading its a joke and karate should get strict like it was at my club. I know of some rather camp fat kid who is scared of every1 and he is a black belt in karate, that is a joke, it took me nearly ten years to reach my black belt although i had a few injuries along the way that postponed my grading.
I am a shito-ryu practitioner and am very close to our Shihan. It is true Bassai is taught, and Bunkai is the actin out of Kata for practical purposes (self defense) but each Sensei or Shihan has a different type of curriculum and preference to what they teach.
@iamnogood09 kata helps you perfect the moves....if you cant do the move by your self...how can you do it in a fight? Kata and Bunkai and Kumite bring it all together!
ok. i am a traditional jka shotokan student. and have been training for a very long time. still have so much more to work on lol. but shito ryu doesnt have basadi in thier kata to my knowledge. o o and the version that was performed was a older version the u punch has changed their are a couple of things that have changed anyway running out of characthers
Sorry to tell you, but Basai Dai is one of the first superior Kata's taught in Shito Ryu. It is also cosindered one of the most important according to sensei Ishimi and sensei Hirota.
I think this is an absolutely brilliant kata for those of just learning. I am purple stripe, this is shown at a pace that I can watch and learn. I am grateful that someone has made the time to film and upload a video that is so useful. Not every person who shows kata must be amazing, what about those who are trying hard and are proud of where they are? We should encourage each other, not criticize!
Lol, i remember when i was in a Shito Ryu school, i just got tired of kick shoto kan's boys ass, every year i was in kumite, being the state champion...
Yeah man it's like night and day! Shotokan and Shito ryu have intertwined histories... (they do a lot of the same katas, but very different supposedly Shito ryu is closer to the original versions. Shotokan isn't bad... but check out shito ryu... they incorporate the most kata
inevitably there will be a great many things unnecessarily repeated and some would say this can take away from other important elements of training. at one time each kata was considered a style in itself. so why do you need 50 kata? other styles prefer to study the kata more in depth rather than having a great number of them. kata is only one element, and many i've talked to think some styles just have too many kata
unnecessarily repeated? I thought practice makes perfect? If people think shitoryu has too many kata they would hate a Northern Chinese system like eagle claw..which has over 70 forms...most who are much longer and complex than any traditional karate kata...
i am guessing you know who mabuni was. if not he was the founder of shito ryu. what mabuni did was create a style of karate that was kind of like an encyclopedia, he studied under: itosu, higaonna, aragaki, matsumora and many more, so shito ryu has shuri-te, naha-te, tomari-te, aragaki-ha and some other styles and teachers because he tried learning everything from everyone, so he put it all in 1 style to preserve
as i said he did this to preserve what he had learned so a student of shito ryu has many options from where to choose, for example me personally i like naha-te so i have all the naha te system inside shito ryu, and every time you do a kata your teacher tells you this kata is from naha te, or s
huri te, or aragaki ha and he tells you the characteristics of the style of the kata. plus mabuni was really concerned about keeping tradition and not changing anything from what his masters had tought him. (so this is my personal opinion i think shito ryu is one of the purest style of karate there is).
i love how this kata is performed, its anoying when i see hiogher grades than me perform the movements so slow and weak with no kiai power! katas look 100x better when they movements SNAP! with speed and power and a strong kiai!!!
it anoys me how little kids can have brown and black belts, especially when they make mistakes on basic things like hip movement and punching to the right level, and not keeping their hands up when they kick, thats not acceptable in the dojo i train in, even if they can perferm the techniques, there is nver any power behind them, their kia is weak, there is no hip movement, and it simply anoys me how senseis allow them to be graded so quickly to a shodan level, bad teacher indeed
@TimeSplitter64 money talks man were i live in mexico. little kids like 6 yeras old with a brown or black belt .wtf.? its a good way to ruin a little one. making him or her belive that they are a true black belt when they dont even know the meaning of karate.. i understand ur frustration.
McDojos have to pay bills. I think martial arts, esp. in the US is really starting to decline. Not only in quality, but also in the number of dojos that stay in business. Many dojos today are circuses because kids are mostly all they attract. So they come up with gimmicks (striped belts, rank test fees, candy colored belts, etc.) just to stay in business. To be honest, I think the business model for MA is all wrong. MA should be practiced outdoors! Fuck paying rent and choose ur students!
@osensei2987 haha it's funny you say that because our class is held outdoors, my instructor teaches for free and he is the real deal - been training under him since November of last year. He always practiced outside. People pass by and watch our class of 10 - some join for a little bit then leave. We have 4 Green belts, 1 orange 3 White and me the Brown belt. We practice on trees to strengthen our hands and feet - and the elements gives us endurance no AC folks!! 90 degrees in Houston LOL
@osensei2987 ahhh well inbox me who you are cause he might know you and find it a trip that someone from youtube knows about him it's like damn who doesn't he know lol - and now we practice on the southwest side - fondren/w bellfort - where these apartments called the Willows are but we got kicked out from over there, he'd been teaching there for 4 years - now we're in the park next to it
@TimeSplitter64 This comes from the BS notion that it is best to start training in MA at a very young age! The younger, the better! Hell, the original JKA sensei didn't start training until they entered the universities. Nakayama sensei's father was a master Kendo instructor and his family were descended from samurai and he didn't start training until college!
@TimeSplitter64 I teach and I totally agree with you. The problem is that many people are not good enough and if you stop them until they peroform everything properly many of them will quit your school. First you need students, later you can teach some of them the right way. Of course some teachers are not good enough, it takes a long time to be a good teacher. We all have to keep working to do better and, no ofence, tolerance would be something you (yourself) can improve.
@TimeSplitter64 depends on the age of the child you are on about. Jnr shodans may not have the power as an adult but power is not everything. If children are permitted to join Karate at a certain age then naturally they should be aloud to grade the same as anyone else. I started at an early age and have been doing karate for 21 years. Karate taught me more than just kicking and punching, it helped me through all school and develop a strong character. You see only the surface, not whats within.
@TimeSplitter64 but not all are like that, in my opinion, the sensei will choose when the student is ready. The sensei is most of the time wise and will make the right decision, i think i might have used to be like that, but ive worked my butt off and think i've improved a great amount and that i deserve the belt i have now ( blue belt black stripe almost brown) and im only 14.
@TimeSplitter64 in the shito-ryu schools I've seen in America, children are never allowed to receive black belts. They're on a totally different belt-track until 16 (I think)
I agree they should be maybe a little better than that for their black belt but when they start so young to keep their attention and interest they must keep have a grading to work towards. I started karate at the age of 5 and if it wasnt for the excitement of gradings I would have quit as a child. Saying that it took me until I was 14/15 to get my 1st dan. Sensei wanted me to be worthy of the belt. As an older student I appreciate it is the experience not the belt that counts
@TimeSplitter64 sometimes in some club like the one that I go to they are abit less firm on the younger students but yes it is still annoying even after you try to help them get it but they still get it wrong
bassai dai it´s difficult by the takete , I mean , this is so difficult to me and the wauke , but I love to try this kata ....Thanks for watch this video
I am so proud of my son, he wrote the last message and is a 10 year old brown belt in the art of Shukokai. I am not only his father but I hold the rank of 5th dan in Shukokai and am his instructor.
I do not cosider myself a master by any means and to read this from my own son brings me much joy as I now realise he understand the true meaning of Karate and that it takes a lifetime to master. Well done son - You are a credit to me and our club. God Bless, I couldn't ask for a better son. xx
the sounds aren't fake ... its just a cheap microphone on a digital camera. do you really thing someone would pay to add sound effects to an inexpensive instructional video?
These are instructional videos created to help people learn the katas. Obviously the sound effects were put in to enhance the learning experience by elaborating on how each move should be performed based upon intensity & speed.
We all strive to reach the summit of the mountain to have to full moon shine on us, but we all take different trails up the mountain to achieve our goals.
i'am shito ryu, and i think shito ryu have better tecnics than shotokan, i win champion ships whit this kata and whit my shito ryu stille, my phater is a Gran Master he is 5º dan, Maguni's studen.
are you guys sure? i'm in shoto kan n i won many tourneys as u guys did. but still i'm not saying shoto kan is better than shito ryu. sometimes i join shito ryu classes n honestly i really admire the katas. but i still prefer shotokan when it's come to kumite and street fights. anyway, in the end, it still depends on u. if u r good, what ever school u r in, it does not the matter. but if u don't it's not the school, it is u. :)
some of the stances in shotokan are very unstable and it becomes very easy to sweep the person shito ryu is awesome powerful punches and kicks blocks and stances
have u been in shotokan before? have u try our stances? i never fall whenever people sweeps my leg. as i said b4, it is not the school that weaks, it is u.. cheers
ive done shotokan never fallen never said i was bad at it and where i train we never use guards like dojos in america and you can hit the person anywhere even there head except low blows i am anythin but week its just and unstable form of fighting
I think that ought to be interpreted as useless for tall people and women as in useless against, not a useless kata for these people to learn. =) Although I disagree with the tall people - surely you'd change the height of your techniques to match your opponent?
obviuosly youre not going to perform a kata when you are fighting anyone. i have heard other people say "this is not a good kata for tall people" about this and other kata, and i think they mean for competition? in terms of using the techniques against tall people or women, tall people do attack chudan/gedan, and like you say its easy to change uchi-uki from chudan to jodan. women? well, is there that much difference? ive trained with some pretty solid women and some flimsy men too!
i totally agree wif dirtyramires. that's the way a true karateka speaks. shito n shoto are different wif their own weaknesses n strengths. to mzee - it is not useless, it just not suits u. if u r tall, then why don't u give a try on TKD. ur 'long leg' can go further there.. :)
Clearly a talented practitioner, but I think the Shotokan version is much more dynamic. Course, being a Shotokan guy, I'm clearly biased, but still...
I might agree with you if I didn't know the bunkai for both versions. The shotokan version requires strength against strength, the Shito Ryu version has a lot of finesse actually in the application of the bunkai. Both versions are equally as good, but are meant for different types of people IMHO.
Given that both have the root in Itosu, but Shito-ryu having the influence of Higashionna whereas Shotokan does not, I can see how the softer elements of Okinawan karate would be more prevalent here. Thanks for the input.
I'm shito ryu itosu kai. He is doing the shite version. Which is why it seems a little different. It's the universal version for shotokan, goju ryu, wado ryu, and shito ryu in japan.
Ah, Bassai Dai. My favorite kata. This has been my kata at most of the tournaments I've competed in. Ours is the same (Shito Ryu is a big part of our style), but some of the timing is slightly different.
In ours there isn't as much pause between a lot of the movements. It looks like he's going jodan on the double punch at the end; our top one is chudan.
My style is Shindo Jinen Ryu (Ryobu-Kai). If you haven't heard of it, it's a combination of Shito Ryu, Goju Ryu, and Shotokan. What is yours?
Mine is straight Shito-Ryu, and this is my tournament kata so I'm trying to see how judges from other denominations would like to see this kata performed. The problem with anything other than local tournaments is that the judges come from different styles.
man! i miss old times!! i became black belt shodan 5 years ago.. but i gave up karate because we moved to another place..... i really miss all these things.... karate became very useful for me... and I'll always be thankful! :) or else i won't be the strong girl that i am right now... :) i almost forgot everything, but watching all these videos, my memories are fresh again! :)
XxXxXx7771 1 week ago
Those kata called bassai dai
sonic2832 1 month ago
Kata: BA SAI DAIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!
Derrickman930 3 months ago
Really liked this video. Some interesting differences compared to Shotokan's Bassai Dai. The circular movements look very usable for defense (those shuto/open hand blocks). and the stances seem a lot more natural (neko ashi dachi) to move in and out of.
DragonboyVNY 3 months ago
@DragonboyVNY yeah, the differences are interesting. i actually like the kokutsu dachi in the shotokan version for forward movement with shuto uke better. we do bassai dai in shindo jinen ryu as well and it is pretty much the same as this shito ryu version, except the timing is a little different.
eamonob84 2 months ago
I took up Shotokan when I started college. 5 years later I saw various teaching styles from students emulating their teachers. I saw what their sensei were like who came for seminars and gradings. All were good, JKA, JKS, SKIF. But last year I finally found a home club I was happy with and finally changed over. I still keep contact with the old sempai and take the chance to learn from them. But I wish someone was more critical of my technique al this time for the sake of saving my hips.
DragonboyVNY 3 months ago
@lengkong92 I recommend any genuine KWF affiliated shotokan club. If the thought of them getting angry scares you its a good teacher. If they value kihon,kata & kumite equally it's a good teacher. If the teacher and other students look impressive it's a good club. Good luck.
karasublue 3 months ago
@lengkong92 If you can't find a good shitoryu school which can be rare try the more common shotokan. As long as its traditional focused non-contact and not solely a sport karate club ie KWF.Try at least 4 or 5 clubs is my advice. Don't stop looking until you find the best place possible. You don't want to learn terrible technique for 20 years as is what happens all too often.Osu.
karasublue 3 months ago
@lengkong92 You are young. If you doubt your previous sensei & school start from scratch at whitebelt with a reputable school. Don't worry about belt colour only making your technique great. If you have brownbelt skills you will get back to brown and then blackbelt much more quickly than you did first up. Making your kihon and kata great from white to black is so important.
karasublue 3 months ago
i start joining karate during my high school yr.4 me,krate are totally awesome.but then,aftr a few years,i stop to go to my krate class because my sensei not good at all.my kata's not so good but compared to the othr member i'm quite ok so my sensei give me double every grading test.
.but for me,i dun think that i deserve it.i'm now a brown belt n i continue my karate at the university but i'm shy to wear my brown belt cuz my skill dont show tht i'm a brown belt holder.sorry for the poor english
lengkong92 4 months ago
These guys are gooood. I love how precise they are, perfect execution. Nice, really nice. I enjoyed watching it.
RokS1983 5 months ago
Not exactly walking the rice paper!
mrthebillman 5 months ago
Wiki says there are 43 kata in Shito Ryu??
How can anyone learn that many??
asdf33 6 months ago
@asdf33 i think there are even more, remenber that there are to meny masters than even today keep making more katas, don't forget that a kata is a story from a fight, and when you practice kata, you are telling the story.
dragonaik333 6 months ago
@asdf33 Oh there are more than that... and one part of being shodan and higher is committing enough years into karate to learn these katas, both as muscle memory and bunkai.
KMBPH777 5 months ago
Oh,,,He is so well.
tgddngamdtg 6 months ago
hört sich an wie ne maschine...
198Karo 7 months ago
does 11 count as a little kid?
litonfire1 7 months ago
I agree with TimeSplitter64, some instructors it doesn't matter how old their students are, as long as they pay, they keep getting promoted. I like it the way it is in my dojang. There are only 2 Cho Dans under the age of 10, and they are the best of the best, even amoung the adults. Just because you see young black belts, that doesn't mean that the instructor is bad, just means that they're greedy.
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I have been training in shito-ryu since 1970 and have been teaching it for over 20 years. In my dojo you can't earn a black belt until you are 21.
Godan44 10 months ago
I have been training in shito-ryu since 1970 and have been teaching it for over 20 years. In my dojo you can't earn a black belt until you 21.
Godan44 10 months ago
for me, we cant test for our black belt's till were 21 i think. maybe older.. (:
blueloveex3 10 months ago
o cara poe um kimono grosso so pra fazer barulho e parecer q seus movimentos são fortisssimossssss...........mas ele é bpm, ......rsrsrsrs
roniecavalari 11 months ago
13 people are wwe guys :p
steve13298 11 months ago 3
@reymysteriocookie your English is great, almost perfect. I like this system of keeping black belts exclusive for more mature students. I meet people fairly often in America that, for whatever reason, were granted a black belt when they were 12 and haven't practiced in 15 years, but they go around telling people they have a black belt in tae kwon do (for instance)
elenchus 11 months ago
bruce lee said that belt use is to hold the pants in their spot ;)
asuraywolfgang 1 year ago
i have green belt :)
notna56 1 year ago
belts are just used to keep the pants up.so dont judge a karateka according to his\her belt.
karateinsomania 1 year ago 2
just want to add that little kids in shito ryu are considered junior shodon level not equivilant to black belt adults
zalexia27 1 year ago
pizzaboy770......admit it that u sucks,...hahaha...dont blame others,....
armanazuki08 1 year ago
@armanazuki08 Wtf is your point?
0veralify 11 months ago
The shite Bassai Dai is the same I guess for all. However, some of the tokui Bassai/Passai I've seen are really, really weird. Perhaps they might be a descendant of Matsumura no Bassai or another Bassai, but it's really weird.
Thsotus 1 year ago
I have practiced shito-ryu for 8 years and a half and I have reached brown belt.
RockFanTudor 1 year ago
@RockFanTudor
how many years does it take to reach black belt?
hsh31 1 year ago
@ntwater you are right. karate is going to be an olympic game that why i stop doing karate two years ago although i have a black belt. and now i watch videos and do practise on my own so as not to forget karate. this is our abjection. and many sports have the same problem. here in greece we have PAGRATIO which is a very tough sport from the ancient years. however now it seems that in a few years it would be also moving away from martial arts just like all the others.
R21Virus 1 year ago
I agree with Time Splitter, a child should at least be 16 before they can get a black belt. They need to demonstrate discipline and know what it means to be a black belt. Issue that I have with TKD is that it has become a sport and moving away from Martial Art.
nmssis 1 year ago
@NONAG0N Oh and for the record, I think the minimum age for shodan in the JKA is 16, the same as it is for Judo. Exceptions are given though for students who excel.
maofas 1 year ago
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maofas 1 year ago
grading up is something that has to take time, because you can grade up from yellow to brown in 1 year, it's impossible, even if you know all the techniques well. For me it doesn't matter what belt I am, for me, it's the experience that counts (I have a green belt). You can be brown but you still can get beaten by an orange belt, and that's what counts for me.
pizzaboy770 1 year ago 28
@pizzaboy770 true true
epicninja3 9 months ago
@pizzaboy770 yes i agree i am a black belt and i have been beaten once or twice by lower belt people but that doesn't matter because then it makes the other person happy knowing that even though the belt means they have a higher grading then you but it doesn't mean that you are always going to be much better.
fordconcept 8 months ago
nome gusta como acen esta gente los katas les falta terminar el protocolo
carlos956261 1 year ago
It annoys me now when i spectate other classes being taught and you see fast rushed sloppy katas and then they pass the grading its a joke and karate should get strict like it was at my club. I know of some rather camp fat kid who is scared of every1 and he is a black belt in karate, that is a joke, it took me nearly ten years to reach my black belt although i had a few injuries along the way that postponed my grading.
DHutch93 1 year ago
I am a shito-ryu practitioner and am very close to our Shihan. It is true Bassai is taught, and Bunkai is the actin out of Kata for practical purposes (self defense) but each Sensei or Shihan has a different type of curriculum and preference to what they teach.
MindOfMalec 1 year ago
his performance of this kata is very good, but the techniques in the kata seem useless for real self defense... thats just a fact .
iamnogood09 1 year ago
@iamnogood09 thats why you have bunkais! every movement in the kata represents another move (series of moves, like to break someones arm)
tanicalex 1 year ago
@iamnogood09 kata helps you perfect the moves....if you cant do the move by your self...how can you do it in a fight? Kata and Bunkai and Kumite bring it all together!
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0:38 Kiiiaaaaaayyy!!!
hsayhsayhsy 1 year ago
ok. i am a traditional jka shotokan student. and have been training for a very long time. still have so much more to work on lol. but shito ryu doesnt have basadi in thier kata to my knowledge. o o and the version that was performed was a older version the u punch has changed their are a couple of things that have changed anyway running out of characthers
hotlilskaterboi 1 year ago
I study shito ryu and it does have basadi. I am just learning at the moment, but the movements we learn are almost exact to this kata shown.
MillyWants 1 year ago
Sorry to tell you, but Basai Dai is one of the first superior Kata's taught in Shito Ryu. It is also cosindered one of the most important according to sensei Ishimi and sensei Hirota.
MagicDivadd 1 year ago
@hotlilskaterboi I train Shito Ryu and Bassai Dai is a kata we learn. This is exactly how I have been taught it.
pooh1234567890 1 year ago
they do actually. im frm shitoryu hayashi-ha. and its on of my clubs' (as in where i train) fave katas
alritza 1 year ago
@hotlilskaterboi, I can say for a fact that Shito ryu does have Bassai Dai in their kata, as I am a Shito ryu karate student!
xblueblaze 1 year ago
0:38 Kiiiaaaaaayyy!!!
Carx0 2 years ago
true! true..! =D
bagun 1 year ago
I think this is an absolutely brilliant kata for those of just learning. I am purple stripe, this is shown at a pace that I can watch and learn. I am grateful that someone has made the time to film and upload a video that is so useful. Not every person who shows kata must be amazing, what about those who are trying hard and are proud of where they are? We should encourage each other, not criticize!
MillyWants 2 years ago
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To master a kata you would have to practice that ONE kata for ten years. And clearly, this is not that good.
coolsierra67 2 years ago
Lol, i remember when i was in a Shito Ryu school, i just got tired of kick shoto kan's boys ass, every year i was in kumite, being the state champion...
EdgarRSalazar 2 years ago
this is a very bad preformance...there is to many karatecas who does better work than these
HABLACONLAMANO 2 years ago
Interesting, much different than how we do it in Shotokan, still looks good though, the timing, hip movement,snapping was sharp. Good style!
Coldshadow25 2 years ago
Yeah man it's like night and day! Shotokan and Shito ryu have intertwined histories... (they do a lot of the same katas, but very different supposedly Shito ryu is closer to the original versions. Shotokan isn't bad... but check out shito ryu... they incorporate the most kata
-Remember friends don't let friends do shotokan.
RapidianShitshow 2 years ago
too many some would say :)
kempobrad 2 years ago
nobody says that.
Nosferatu303 2 years ago
plenty say that actually
kempobrad 2 years ago
please elaborate.
Nosferatu303 2 years ago
inevitably there will be a great many things unnecessarily repeated and some would say this can take away from other important elements of training. at one time each kata was considered a style in itself. so why do you need 50 kata? other styles prefer to study the kata more in depth rather than having a great number of them. kata is only one element, and many i've talked to think some styles just have too many kata
kempobrad 2 years ago
unnecessarily repeated? I thought practice makes perfect? If people think shitoryu has too many kata they would hate a Northern Chinese system like eagle claw..which has over 70 forms...most who are much longer and complex than any traditional karate kata...
Nosferatu303 2 years ago
true. but why practice the same things in 50 different patterns when you can practice them doing the same kata 50 times?
kempobrad 2 years ago
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Nosferatu303 2 years ago
i am guessing you know who mabuni was. if not he was the founder of shito ryu. what mabuni did was create a style of karate that was kind of like an encyclopedia, he studied under: itosu, higaonna, aragaki, matsumora and many more, so shito ryu has shuri-te, naha-te, tomari-te, aragaki-ha and some other styles and teachers because he tried learning everything from everyone, so he put it all in 1 style to preserve
Calderoni4 1 year ago
wath he had learned but no one expects you to learn all of them sometimes not even the masters know them all which is fine.
Calderoni4 1 year ago
as i said he did this to preserve what he had learned so a student of shito ryu has many options from where to choose, for example me personally i like naha-te so i have all the naha te system inside shito ryu, and every time you do a kata your teacher tells you this kata is from naha te, or s
Calderoni4 1 year ago
huri te, or aragaki ha and he tells you the characteristics of the style of the kata. plus mabuni was really concerned about keeping tradition and not changing anything from what his masters had tought him. (so this is my personal opinion i think shito ryu is one of the purest style of karate there is).
Calderoni4 1 year ago
i love how this kata is performed, its anoying when i see hiogher grades than me perform the movements so slow and weak with no kiai power! katas look 100x better when they movements SNAP! with speed and power and a strong kiai!!!
TimeSplitter64 2 years ago
it anoys me how little kids can have brown and black belts, especially when they make mistakes on basic things like hip movement and punching to the right level, and not keeping their hands up when they kick, thats not acceptable in the dojo i train in, even if they can perferm the techniques, there is nver any power behind them, their kia is weak, there is no hip movement, and it simply anoys me how senseis allow them to be graded so quickly to a shodan level, bad teacher indeed
TimeSplitter64 2 years ago 38
ditto!
xRS23x 2 years ago
if they pass the same requirements as an adult, why not?
kempobrad 2 years ago
@TimeSplitter64 money talks man were i live in mexico. little kids like 6 yeras old with a brown or black belt .wtf.? its a good way to ruin a little one. making him or her belive that they are a true black belt when they dont even know the meaning of karate.. i understand ur frustration.
northside420 1 year ago
McDojos have to pay bills. I think martial arts, esp. in the US is really starting to decline. Not only in quality, but also in the number of dojos that stay in business. Many dojos today are circuses because kids are mostly all they attract. So they come up with gimmicks (striped belts, rank test fees, candy colored belts, etc.) just to stay in business. To be honest, I think the business model for MA is all wrong. MA should be practiced outdoors! Fuck paying rent and choose ur students!
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 haha it's funny you say that because our class is held outdoors, my instructor teaches for free and he is the real deal - been training under him since November of last year. He always practiced outside. People pass by and watch our class of 10 - some join for a little bit then leave. We have 4 Green belts, 1 orange 3 White and me the Brown belt. We practice on trees to strengthen our hands and feet - and the elements gives us endurance no AC folks!! 90 degrees in Houston LOL
laohung 1 year ago
@osensei2987 and we're Shotokan-Kenpo (Black Shiro/Tiger)
laohung 1 year ago
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osensei2987 1 year ago
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@laohung Killa Wayne?
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 yea! how you know him?
laohung 1 year ago
@laohung Used to practice on the tennis court in the park. Watched Killa Wayne work out. He was alone back then. Where do u practice now?
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 ahhh well inbox me who you are cause he might know you and find it a trip that someone from youtube knows about him it's like damn who doesn't he know lol - and now we practice on the southwest side - fondren/w bellfort - where these apartments called the Willows are but we got kicked out from over there, he'd been teaching there for 4 years - now we're in the park next to it
laohung 1 year ago
@TimeSplitter64 This comes from the BS notion that it is best to start training in MA at a very young age! The younger, the better! Hell, the original JKA sensei didn't start training until they entered the universities. Nakayama sensei's father was a master Kendo instructor and his family were descended from samurai and he didn't start training until college!
osensei2987 1 year ago
@TimeSplitter64 I teach and I totally agree with you. The problem is that many people are not good enough and if you stop them until they peroform everything properly many of them will quit your school. First you need students, later you can teach some of them the right way. Of course some teachers are not good enough, it takes a long time to be a good teacher. We all have to keep working to do better and, no ofence, tolerance would be something you (yourself) can improve.
margotkd 1 year ago
@TimeSplitter64 depends on the age of the child you are on about. Jnr shodans may not have the power as an adult but power is not everything. If children are permitted to join Karate at a certain age then naturally they should be aloud to grade the same as anyone else. I started at an early age and have been doing karate for 21 years. Karate taught me more than just kicking and punching, it helped me through all school and develop a strong character. You see only the surface, not whats within.
tawnyowl29 1 year ago
@TimeSplitter64 but not all are like that, in my opinion, the sensei will choose when the student is ready. The sensei is most of the time wise and will make the right decision, i think i might have used to be like that, but ive worked my butt off and think i've improved a great amount and that i deserve the belt i have now ( blue belt black stripe almost brown) and im only 14.
KarateGingerstyle 1 year ago
@TimeSplitter64 in the shito-ryu schools I've seen in America, children are never allowed to receive black belts. They're on a totally different belt-track until 16 (I think)
elenchus 1 year ago
@TimeSplitter64 yeap agreed very much
BurakkuFezzaFan 11 months ago
@TimeSplitter64
I agree they should be maybe a little better than that for their black belt but when they start so young to keep their attention and interest they must keep have a grading to work towards. I started karate at the age of 5 and if it wasnt for the excitement of gradings I would have quit as a child. Saying that it took me until I was 14/15 to get my 1st dan. Sensei wanted me to be worthy of the belt. As an older student I appreciate it is the experience not the belt that counts
Stardom2010 10 months ago
@TimeSplitter64
mc dojos i call them
aoshi3000 8 months ago
@TimeSplitter64 sometimes in some club like the one that I go to they are abit less firm on the younger students but yes it is still annoying even after you try to help them get it but they still get it wrong
fordconcept 8 months ago
@TimeSplitter64 well , they are small kids so their expectations are lower . goju kai practioner here
555hansy 4 months ago
im a 2nd kyu and use this as my tournament form and have never gotten anything but first place with this kata
drpdeeznutz 2 years ago
ooooooooooooooossuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
adrenalinerushskier 2 years ago
bassai dai it´s difficult by the takete , I mean , this is so difficult to me and the wauke , but I love to try this kata ....Thanks for watch this video
ibuprofano 2 years ago
I am so proud of my son, he wrote the last message and is a 10 year old brown belt in the art of Shukokai. I am not only his father but I hold the rank of 5th dan in Shukokai and am his instructor.
I do not cosider myself a master by any means and to read this from my own son brings me much joy as I now realise he understand the true meaning of Karate and that it takes a lifetime to master. Well done son - You are a credit to me and our club. God Bless, I couldn't ask for a better son. xx
CaernarfonOnline 2 years ago
i love this kata=) and i love my belt=)
yopeeps123123 2 years ago
I had to learn this kata inorder to become a black belt. for me that's when my training really started to become intense
SauerKraut95 2 years ago
he doesn't move his waist.. that mean less speed
ta6aka10 2 years ago
pretty sure he has plenty of speed mate...
graham25152 2 years ago
That's correct. The waist gives the power and finesse.
carboram1 2 years ago
as my sensei says: If you don't move your waist and use your energy with the point "hara" - that's not Karate, its half Karate.
ta6aka10 2 years ago
That's my kata... :)
PurpleZoomZoom 2 years ago
ggggggggggoooooooooooooooo shito ryu hecho por christopher enrrique flores garcía
The1525 2 years ago
I have to test in this kata soon. Its actually kinda easy
sorrel99 2 years ago
no kata is easy, its only easy when youve mastered it, and the pepole who have mastered these katas are all dead by now
Adamdre 2 years ago
This kata so hard....It will take a lot of time for conservation.....
SalmaPinky23 2 years ago
It's not hard. I know this kata...but my version has a few more moves. I learned it in Brown Belt.
residentevilfan143 2 years ago
yehh .... Actually and finaly I learn it ..... but still some few details that I must be careful about it !
SalmaPinky23 2 years ago
man that's an awesome performance
jippzmcghee 2 years ago
I wanna learn this kata i know it in shotokan
zarodiny2 3 years ago
woow that was a nice kata, thats the 1'st time ive ever seen this kata being performed
Mocktezuma111 3 years ago
... and ... most of the sounds are coming from his feet, not his gi ...
pikido 3 years ago
the sounds aren't fake ... its just a cheap microphone on a digital camera. do you really thing someone would pay to add sound effects to an inexpensive instructional video?
pikido 3 years ago
It sounds like you're jealous. Bitchin' , moaning and knit-picking doesn't make you an expert.
Shanella28 2 years ago
That is exactly how we do it. 5/5
hsmiscool123 3 years ago
the gi sounds is totally real
blueberryrainbow 3 years ago
i like yuour video very much, and the sounds like me too. .very good work..i can learn a lot. about this videos.
147ela 3 years ago
These are instructional videos created to help people learn the katas. Obviously the sound effects were put in to enhance the learning experience by elaborating on how each move should be performed based upon intensity & speed.
sanval1a 3 years ago
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I know I have a 14 ounce GI that makes a similar sound, but I tell you this vidoe sound is just plain "fake" phoeney baloney!
PakDaeHan 3 years ago
well obviously you have no experience in martial arts filming that is so so fake!!!
PakDaeHan 3 years ago
the reason i say that is because i've seen people creating such sounds
blueberryrainbow 3 years ago
exactly by scratching on something that is starched!!!! ahahahahha! LOL!
PakDaeHan 3 years ago
there is a certain amount of force you have to exert
blueberryrainbow 3 years ago
what is all that fake fake fake sound effects????
PakDaeHan 3 years ago
its not fake sound effects
blueberryrainbow 3 years ago
There are some fake one's like the floor squicking, but the whip sound from the gi is real
superdavelbolbo 3 years ago
this kata has 41 moves!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mohdal 3 years ago
so?
ryanman51 3 years ago
the kia is the shout that th kata
plis tell me
comoleon18 3 years ago
it's when he kicks his "enemy's" knee, at about 39 seconds.
Biomajor2006 3 years ago
hey do you know where the kia go???
today i have the brown exam and i dont know where the kia is please tell mefaast ty
comoleon18 3 years ago
this is one of the few kata where it doesn't appear funakoshi changed it much.
jippzmcghee 3 years ago
today i tested and went from blue to brown belt
adrenalinerushskier 3 years ago
Ladies and gentleman.
We all strive to reach the summit of the mountain to have to full moon shine on us, but we all take different trails up the mountain to achieve our goals.
ous
wirihana66 4 years ago
Ladies and gentleman.
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wirihana66 4 years ago
i'am shito ryu, and i think shito ryu have better tecnics than shotokan, i win champion ships whit this kata and whit my shito ryu stille, my phater is a Gran Master he is 5º dan, Maguni's studen.
Ramsas1979 4 years ago
I agree. Shotokan is very bad for the body.
lepivert 4 years ago
are you guys sure? i'm in shoto kan n i won many tourneys as u guys did. but still i'm not saying shoto kan is better than shito ryu. sometimes i join shito ryu classes n honestly i really admire the katas. but i still prefer shotokan when it's come to kumite and street fights. anyway, in the end, it still depends on u. if u r good, what ever school u r in, it does not the matter. but if u don't it's not the school, it is u. :)
iskandarbahari 4 years ago 3
some of the stances in shotokan are very unstable and it becomes very easy to sweep the person shito ryu is awesome powerful punches and kicks blocks and stances
sansan36 4 years ago
have u been in shotokan before? have u try our stances? i never fall whenever people sweeps my leg. as i said b4, it is not the school that weaks, it is u.. cheers
iskandarbahari 4 years ago
ive done shotokan never fallen never said i was bad at it and where i train we never use guards like dojos in america and you can hit the person anywhere even there head except low blows i am anythin but week its just and unstable form of fighting
sansan36 3 years ago
wow seriously i just started it 1thing i did notice it pretty useless for tall people (i happen to be quite tall)and women
mzee101 3 years ago
do you mean difficult for tall people? im tall and found this kata really developed my kime. the best training is hard training!
tommotomt 3 years ago
I think that ought to be interpreted as useless for tall people and women as in useless against, not a useless kata for these people to learn. =) Although I disagree with the tall people - surely you'd change the height of your techniques to match your opponent?
VillyTrebuchet 3 years ago
obviuosly youre not going to perform a kata when you are fighting anyone. i have heard other people say "this is not a good kata for tall people" about this and other kata, and i think they mean for competition? in terms of using the techniques against tall people or women, tall people do attack chudan/gedan, and like you say its easy to change uchi-uki from chudan to jodan. women? well, is there that much difference? ive trained with some pretty solid women and some flimsy men too!
tommotomt 3 years ago
some ppl use kata to fight
blueberryrainbow 3 years ago
i dont know anyone who would perform a kata to fight, or have i just met someone?
tommotomt 2 years ago
I practice shito ryu too, but I don´t think that shoto is bad. Is just different.
OSS.
DirtyRamires 3 years ago
i totally agree wif dirtyramires. that's the way a true karateka speaks. shito n shoto are different wif their own weaknesses n strengths. to mzee - it is not useless, it just not suits u. if u r tall, then why don't u give a try on TKD. ur 'long leg' can go further there.. :)
iskandarbahari 3 years ago
shaider!!!
keda07 4 years ago
I do shotokan, but I like this shito ryu version as much as the shotokan version.
Szellemkutya2 4 years ago
hye.. we r in the same school. but im in knazawa ryu shotokan in malaysia
iskandarbahari 4 years ago
Hi,
I also attended into the association (S.K.I.), which is led bz Kanazawa.
Oss, from Hungary
Szellemkutya2 4 years ago
by Kanazawa
Szellemkutya2 4 years ago
Clearly a talented practitioner, but I think the Shotokan version is much more dynamic. Course, being a Shotokan guy, I'm clearly biased, but still...
calibansfury 4 years ago
I might agree with you if I didn't know the bunkai for both versions. The shotokan version requires strength against strength, the Shito Ryu version has a lot of finesse actually in the application of the bunkai. Both versions are equally as good, but are meant for different types of people IMHO.
davefarber 4 years ago
Given that both have the root in Itosu, but Shito-ryu having the influence of Higashionna whereas Shotokan does not, I can see how the softer elements of Okinawan karate would be more prevalent here. Thanks for the input.
calibansfury 4 years ago
Alot different from the Shotokan version
CCBRFTATTHFF 4 years ago
good
NuMaWi 4 years ago
very good
zanetti98 4 years ago
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we don't like to see your ass when your doing it . But whats with the sounds?
shadow123reaper 4 years ago
thats how fast he's moving
KingofJoker255 4 years ago
You shouldn't look at the timing in this video, because it's instructional.
jurgenvanduyse 4 years ago 3
i love this kata tooo!! hehe been practicing this for the coming competition in my sch =) btw im from hayashi-ha shito-ryu
slizbiz 4 years ago
great kata!
jacunquia 4 years ago
Yeah,I love this Kata ;-)
JanMalteLysek 4 years ago
I'm shito ryu itosu kai. He is doing the shite version. Which is why it seems a little different. It's the universal version for shotokan, goju ryu, wado ryu, and shito ryu in japan.
chemolina 4 years ago
Ah, Bassai Dai. My favorite kata. This has been my kata at most of the tournaments I've competed in. Ours is the same (Shito Ryu is a big part of our style), but some of the timing is slightly different.
statementz 5 years ago
I agree, the timing on the first shikodachi stance is a lot slower in how I learned it.
Ch40sR34p3r 4 years ago
In ours there isn't as much pause between a lot of the movements. It looks like he's going jodan on the double punch at the end; our top one is chudan.
My style is Shindo Jinen Ryu (Ryobu-Kai). If you haven't heard of it, it's a combination of Shito Ryu, Goju Ryu, and Shotokan. What is yours?
statementz 4 years ago
Mine is straight Shito-Ryu, and this is my tournament kata so I'm trying to see how judges from other denominations would like to see this kata performed. The problem with anything other than local tournaments is that the judges come from different styles.
Ch40sR34p3r 4 years ago
yer true that, but i guess this video helps alot, oh and this is also my grading kata Brown FTW!! ^^
PHoeNiXz07 4 years ago
i prefer kosokun dai. long but very good
cheko197 4 years ago