After signing up on youtube as a House electro Mixer, I know how much hate people can give to me when reading these kinds of comments...but I think House, Electro fans might be a nicer
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Larry Levan wasn't the only one blazing the trail in house, club, and dance music in that time....
If you could ask Larry who influenced him, he would tell you, that Tee Scott, Nicky Siano, amongst many, held court in his mind.
I've seen him (Larry) in "Better Day's" in "Tee's" booth, or at Nicky's place hanging out supporting them, and later on, got to the "Garage" and try to re-create a mix he heard at their clubs..
Larry Levan wasn't the only one blazing the trail in house, club, and dance music in that time....
If you could ask Larry who influenced him, he would tell you, that Tee Scott, Nicky Siano, amongst many, held court in his mind.
I've seen him (Larry) in "Better Day's" in "Tee's" booth, or at Nicky's place hanging out supporting them, and later on, got to the "Garage" and try to re-create a mix he heard at their clubs..
Also i no longer just listen to mainstream crap like david guetta or shit like that anymore and know that some of the best shit i have heard are from relatively unknowns...not just in house but also drum and bass, dubstep whatever. Its just such a nice coincidence that thru many years i tried to like hip hop rock etc. but unlike house i cant go back to a especific song that i liked when i was 8 and say its still fucking awesome!!! with house i have always liked those songs and always will
and tried to find what i like the year of 2010 was a year of many discoveries and changes for me and in that year i started listening to david guetta and i heard the annoying song No Speak Americano( which at the time i loved) but form then on i started finding out about house and realized that over the years the songs that truly captured my soul were all house, ALL were house!!! needless to say i am a huge house fan( have always been) and now listen to anything house and other elctro genres....
also i will have to say its like house is in ur soul...ever since i was little i have liked house music, i remeber listening to daft punk and the song on 1:24 when i used to live in ecuador and b like awesome!! throughout my live ive liked songs equaled to haddaway's what is love and similar songs. When i used to play gta san andreas i always liked the house radio station in the game but thought it was just weird r&b. Need less to say as ive grown up and tried to find what i like....continued
All this round about talk about Chicago House music, it is underground, you aint gonna find it on you tube. That was the shot heard around the world. And new schoolers never heard it before...
like i said before, the truth will out. chicago/detroit imitated european electro (the true pioneers) and then tried to take all the credit for the creation of this revolutionary new electro genre, which they then rebranded as acidhouse and techno. i understand that disco directly mutated into house but acidhouse and techno absolutely ripped there sound from european electro.
chicago/detroit need to start being a little more honest with themselves regarding this issue.
@dahousebeats You ave gotta be kidding me...not sayin that euro hous isnt house, but there would be no House music if it wasnt for Chicago. History has proven it
@robbiemack81 Funny he should say ‘Euro-House’ is the only true House music, considering the first ever House records were actually the Soulful Disco records they played in the Warehouse
@robbiemack81 Are you fucking stupid? Wait a minute, you are. Euro house (I think you mean that cheesy shit called Eurodance) is not the house. House music originated in Chicago. It was born in Chicago. Besides, it's a whole lot better than that cheesy shit called Eurodance. Given your comment, you really don't know what house is.
@tolldoll100 you are definitely ILLITERATE!!!! Go back and read MY comment...I said it STARTED in Chicago and if Chicago didnt start them movement there'd be no house...go to the corner, you're in time-out you wildabeast lookick cock ridin cum guzzlin BITCH!!!!
@robbiemack81 Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to reply to dahousebeats, not you. By the way, I'm a man, not a woman. I have this username because it's easy to remember. I guess I should get a new username. No need to get hostile.
@atlantichouse no no no. that house music incorporated effects from other genres, that is true....i do know that today's house and even 90s acid and progressive and all that crap incorporated erudonce and a bunch of other crap....but when we say chicago we are talkin about the origins not the evolution...Correction: classic house did was NOT AT ALL influenced by european electro it was the later genres that were, but then again later genres of house originated in europe, hence european influence
ohh and another thing chicago didnt rebrand the genre acid house, acid originated in britain and was branded so there becuz of the use of acid in london nightclubs..the house pioneered by people in chicago sounded more like r&b or electronic hip hop
@535manbearpig thanks for the heads up regarding the origin of the term 'acidhouse' being from the u.k. my appologies to chicago for bersmirching there good name with the charge of name rebranding. (a charge which i now level solely at detroit with there rebranding of 'electro' into 'techno') but it just goes to show that the u.k. felt the need to PUT A NAME to what chicago actually carried out, which was a grafting of euro-electro onto house whilst still insisting on calling it purely house.
@NOWtheband Oh theres another guy called Atlantichouse, and I made a name similar to him because i want to troll and take the piss out of him becuase he makes stupid comments saying Kraftwerk invented house music
@HollandaGuy i can't say i'm surprised it didn't except your link.. even i'm having trouble excepting your link. your talking about events in the 90s, i'm talking about events in the 70s/ 80s when the genres of 'house/acidhouse/techno' were born into existence and trying to understand who the main players were in its creation.. your 'dutch history of house' covers events a decade later, so i don't really understand its relevance
@HollandaGuy ohhhh and your incredibly stupid.....ur documentary starts in the 1990s, when house was already started and established in europe, you fail... watch the whole the documentary and myabe you can deduct that the 1980s comes before the 90s
.... all of these artists together or even anyone of them on there own, prove conclusively that detroit/chicagos claim to of invented this electro genre to be nothing other than pure fodder for the sheep to chew on.
pure bullshit... as i've said before, this documentary IS a complete fucking joke.
@atlantichouse In the late 70's I remember enjoying electronic beats used by bands like Devo of Ohio as well as bands like Yaz or Heaven 17 from Europe. How could you forget that during the 80's electronic type music fell into what was known as New Wave music followed by a new music known as HOUSE from Chicago. Others to spring as new styles were High Energy, Freestyle, Electronica, Ambiance, Techno, Trance, Jungle Beats, Goth, etc. These were all new styles and had there own culture.
@atlantichouse I have to tell you Atlantic that you really need to snap out of it. Like I said before, your point is understood on the origins of electronic type music since, lets agree, all the way back to the 40's with the drum machine. Everything else that came after that can be identified by style and culture. For example, I will always recognize New Wave and Industrial as European, House as Chicago, Techno as from detroit etc. Add funk, soul and gospel and you got house from Chicago.
@jldejesus i understand what your saying jldejesus, but i find this documentary depressing. sometimes it seems to me that the whole european electro element is being quietly squeeze out of this story. although i do agree with a lot of what your saying, i cannot agree with your comment that Techno came out of detroit, what is it that kraftwerk do if it isn't techno? To me techno IS electro by another name. detroit simply were not doing this stuff until they heard the likes of kraftwerk doing...
@jldejesus ... it first. detroit imitated there sound and then called it techno. i appologise if i sound like a broken record sometimes but if people let this go then documentarys like this will become the accepted fact and i think that this documentary is attempting to pull the wool over the viewers eyes. detroit did not accidentally find this sound by fiddling with there equipment back in the mid 80s, this sound was already out there... and had been for many years.
@jldejesus and acidhouse was chicago house's attempt to hitch its wagon to the new beat that the likes of kraftwerk were pioneering and detroit were imitating and renaming as techno.
@jldejesus can i direct you to a page here on youtube; kraftwerk - homecomputer (paris 1981 live) and ask for your opinion on it. to me this is a major player regarding the true origin's of the so-called 'acidhouse/techno' genre, something that this documentary seems to be at pains to completely ignore. i did see a brief mention of kraftwerk (and european new wave) in this documentary, but you'd miss it if you happened to blink at the wrong moment. and this is my criticism of this piece...
@jldejesus ...its very keen to expand on the chicago/detroit side of the story (que copius amounts of musical tracks plus footage) but extremely brief when it comes to mentioning the european side of the tale. which suggest to me that they are spinning this story in favour of the myth that this is purely a chicago/detroit creation, which it clearly is not.
detroit/chicago did not invent 'acidhouse/techno' They simply that copied that electro beat off of kraftwerk, (who's tunes were being played to death on radio wbmx and in the clubs at the time) and renamed it 'acidhouse/techno'
acidhouse/techno is simply electro by another name.
the claim that they 'found' that sound by fiddling with there equipment is pure fantasy. check out Tom Dissevelt and kid Baltan or raymond scott or jean micheal jarre, delia derbyshire, laurie spiegal...
kraftwerk are the godfathers of the electro revolution not these detroit/chicago plagiarists who have managed to convinced themselves (and the rest of the sheep on planet earth it seems) that they created this beat... and if it wasn't for this pesky youtube they'd probably gotten away with it. but as it is, they now just look like a bunch of sad desperate lieing bastards... is this what happened to rock and roll?.. is history trying to repeat itself?
@atlantichouse You are so narrow minded and full of shit pedanticlouse. I will follow u on every page you comment from now on.
Explain for f**k sake why kraftwerk invented house instead of just making flipant comments.
Kraftwerk were sampled by house producers but doesn't mean they created house
in that case you might as well say P.W Norman invented house as he first created the rhytm machine in 1940's fuck you really are a sad case man........ shame on you
@BruvaBob got a life, got a woman, got a job. but more germane to this particular debate i've got the whole detroit/chicago created acidhouse/techno in the mid-80s MYTH weighed up. This documentary is an utter fucking joke. it seeks to claim ownership of a musical genre that was already in existence before they even started thinking about doing it. how the fuck does that work?
@atlantichouse Kraftwerk is great. I remember enjoying several of their songs. I grew up listening to music through 70's,80's and 90's during my 20's. I can tell you that you missed the whole picture here. I don't understand how you are so hung up on Kraftwerk and any other European electronic music. Much of what you refer to is true and very much a basis for the evolution of electronic music but you are trapped at the ground level. Electronic music evolved to many different varieties.
@itsacorporatething it is this documentary that has failed my friend. i say documentary but that would be an insult to the word documentary, lets face it, what we are really dealing with here is pure propaganda.
as i've said before detroit/chicago are imitators masquerading as innovators.
its this bullshit that has been spotted.
'pump up the volume' ha ha... now that's a true mission failure.
its time to (hi)-jack (somebody elses work and take all the credit for it)
this 'documentary' is a joke. whoever researched this needs taking out the back and shooting. its a fucking travesty. this film should be filed under the heading of propaganda. detroit/chicago didn't 'invent' acidhouse or techno, they simply stole that beat off of kraftwerk and pretended that they pioneered it.
Of course chicagoins get all arrogant and boogy about house it's one of like 3 claims to fame ... We got house hotdogs and deepdish pizza also one of the highest murder rates most couropt politicians and bipolar ass weather
fuck me! was this supposed to be a comedy. i've never laughed so much in my life. what an absolute pile of bullshit. i don't know how these fuckers managed to keep a straight face. these muppets didn't create acid house, kraftwerk nailed that beat and these morons simply copied it. lol
@Lashid4u...I agree with your comment to me. At the end of the day does it matter what US region African American music or music in general comes from: Detroit, NY, Chicago, Atlanta, NJ, Baltimore, DC, LA, New Orleans, Memphis...if it's good...it's good...if it's bad....well...you know...it is what it is.
@Lashid4u Pt 1: Kraftwork was big in NY also & Philly soul like MFSB, The O'Jays, First Choice,, Lolleata Holloway(Chi), Gwendelyn Guthrie(NY), Double Exposure, Taana Gardner(NY) and Hall & Oates are some groups that workd with NY labels Salsoul, Westend, and Prelude which became the sound of NY dance culture. Alot of music from these groups were re-edited by guys like Shep Pettibone, Larry, Scott & Jellybean Benitez and brought to the Chi by Frankie. That's how yall got up on Philly Soul.
@abxtale HOW DO YOU KNOW? You sound like whites who make these lists on VH1, listing blacks as one-hit wonders who had WAY more hits (they just didn't know about 'em)! You see, NY just got the spotlight (as usual) But Chicago DJ Ron Hardy had been doing his thang since the 70s, but he's hardly regarded as Larry Levan or Frankie Knuckles ..Do you understand that the Midwest is where Motown derived from, which some would say gave us the first "Disco" (i.e. Eddie Kendrick's Keep on Truckin')?
@Lashid4u How do I know what? That NY DJs were blending music in the 60s? That NY DJ were the 1st to blend/beat match records? Or that Ron Hardy did not start playn Philly souful stuff til Franky came to the Windy? And how can anyone determine what the first Disco record was? I would think it's more like a concentration of songs that rocked in that atmosphere. BTW I know I reply to you over a year ago on why NY gets the credit for creating hip hop in spite of elements that came outside NY.
@abxtale As I've posted in my response video, Chicago was already up on Philly soul artists, because Philly soul was very similar to what came out of Chicago, but was kinda made more mainstream through the Motown sound ...Earth, Wind & Fire, Curtis Mayfield, Jerry Butler, Etta James, the Dells ...They repped Chicago - a more gritty, and less harmonic sound, like Teddy Pendergrass of Philly ..and European artists like Kraftwerk & Italo-disco, actually, had more of an influence..and Lime of Canada
@Lashid4u And in response to many of your post I recommended that you google "What kind of House party is this" and to click on Jesse Saunders Interview where he said a friend told him that he needed to check out the Warehouse where Frankie was playn all this Westend, Salsoul stuff which had alot of Philly stuff that was not being played in the Chi at the time. Chip E also stated that he was inspired by Frankie not so much in his mixing, but more so in the music he was playn at the Warehouse.
@abxtale I'm sure they were inspired by Frankie ...as Frankie, I'm sure, was inspired by Chicago (the audience that wanted something faster, as well as talents such as Jamie Principle). Sorry, but although I love some NY, I'm not gonna bow down to NY as you seem to want. Chicago has its own, VERY RICH history in music, hon.
@Lashid4u Listen, I'm not expecting you to bow down to NY at any level. I do agree that Chicago had a strong influence on Frankie with the creation of house due to the fact that he along with the rest of NYs dance scene had to get on board with puttn out music that was faster with more energy in order to keep up with the growing house scene. NY did not creat house. But NY did help inspire the creation of house. Big up and RIP to Ron Hardy who was instrument in creating the music itself. cont.
@Lashid4u I do acknowledge that NYrs can be arrogent but so can Chicagians especially w/ this House music thing! It's always been known in the N.Y.C that house started in the Chi. True dance music heads know this & I never claimd any different. I was only pointn out the elements that NY brought to the table in the DJs/producers who helpd sparkd this w/ music that was the precurser. W/ that said respect to Jamie P, Chip E, Jesse S, Leonard Rroy, Marshall J, Steve Hurl & the whole Chi movement!
@Lashid4u I do acknowledge that NYrs can be arrogent but so can Chicagians especially w/this House music thing! It's always been known in the NYC that house started in the Chi. True dance music heads know this & I never claimd any different. I was only pointn out the elements that NY brought to the table in the DJs/producers who helpd sparkd this w/ music that was the precurser. W/ that said respect to, Jamie P, Chip E, Leonard Rroy, Jesse S, Marshall Jef, Steve Hurl & the whole Chi movement!
@abxtale I have no problem in showing NY Love and recognition - I have done this in my vids, before even getting into this debate ...and what's REALLY messed up is how much I have, since the 90s, defended East Coast hip hop...*smh* *sigh*
@Everyone... Like I said sometime back, this documentary is somewhat misleading. It should be titled "History of Dance music" . House is only a genre of dance music like disco, club music(re-edit disco)and techno. For instance when they get to the Detroit aspect and even overseas, the music played is more Techno and Rave. NY is more soulful disco and club classic while Chicago is disco and House. The term house which is the most popular term has got so broad musically that it creates confusion.
@abxtale No, I'm glad they are giving specific focus to HOUSE, because there are many forms of dance music, and I HARDLY hear any props or mention given to house (the house that was birthed in Chicago). There is also Go-go music of the South, which I would, also, put in the category of dance. This is, specifically, on house music, and although there were MANY contributors (from NY to Germany to Philly to the South), Chicago is the HOME. There were many contributors to hip hop, but NY is the home
@Lashid4u This Doc is misleadn. The only part that covers house or what Chi cats would consider true house is the Chicago segment. They show NY as a Club & Disco music culture while Detroit & overseas is Techno and Rave. So for the fans that don't know better they clump it all as House music which pisses off some Chi people while underminds NYs contributions. It's all dance music & House is just a genre of it like disco/club & techno. I consider Go Go as Hip Hops down south cousin. cont.
At the end of the day, NYC has its own Dance music sound that predated House Music that influenced the rest of the Disco/Dance world. It was funky, soulful, classy, slick and it sprung out of Black NYC culture. Yes, I was there and lived through it as a young adult.
@clubhead433 ..and Detroit had a dance sound that predated Disco ..it was called Motown (i.e. Keep on Truckin'). And really, IMO, Although the disco "scene" was NY, it is, really, just American funk music (originated w/ Southerner James Brown, and later, bands like P-Funk) taken and sped up, and more synthesized and electronicized, and having the more socially conscious messages diluted from it ..No one EVER denied NY's influence, but NYers seem to have a problem recognizing who influenced them
Black Chicagoian's knowlegde of rare, obscure soul & funk is phenomenal. It's not about NYC, Detroit, Memphis, Atlanta, LA, Chicago...because where ever Black people are...there's gonna be R&B, Funk, Soul, Gospel, Jazz, Reggae, Afro Latin, Blues...we created it...it's a cultural thing...no matter where Black folks in the US...we can communicate with each other on all basic level that escapes other races & ethnicities understanding.
All those artists I posted were Pre-House Music. A music reviewer from Dance Music Report back in 1982 called the sound, "NYC Sophisticated Funk". You cannot deny NYC influence on Disco, Funk, Soul, House, R&B...NY had a sound of its own, independent of Philly, Chicago, Detroit, LA, DC, Atlanta, etc. Watch those old Soul Train clips when homegrown NYC artist would perform or tunes being played...the sound is distinctive from all the others. Chicago birthed the greatest soul music ever...
Tommorow's Edition, Final Edition, Empress, Denroy Morgan (the band on his NYC hit, that sold 500,000 copies in NY alone "I'll Do Anything For You was Crown Heights Affair), Donna McGhee, NYC Peech Boys, Christine Wiltshire, Raw Silk, Shades of Love, Sinnamon, Affinity, B-Beat Girls, Feel, Jamaica Girls, NV, C-Bank, Strafe, Temper, Kid Creole & the Coconuts, Skipworth & Turner...
Billie, Chocolatte, Dhar Braxton, Hanson & Davis, Man Friday, Stardom Groove, Willie Colon, Arnold Jarvis, The Cut, Moonfu, Touch, Black Mamba, Tasha Thomas, Faith, Hope & Charity, Joyce Sims, Level 3, Cultural Vibe, Russ Brown, Paul Simpson, Mark IV, Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam, Circuit, World Premiere, Tammy Lucas, Status IV, La La, Xena, Jobert Singers, Upfront, Serious Intention...
This is the Pure Uptempo R&B/Funk/Soul Sound of New York: Brass Construction, BT Express, Crown Heights Affair, Mandrill, Black Ivory, Universal Robot Band, Change, Inner Life, Cloud One, Jimmy Castor Bunch, Taana Gardner, Skyy, Unlimited Touch, Strafe, The Strikers, Kleeer, Stephanie Mills, Chic, Machine, Cory Daye, Karen Young, The Rimshots, Odyssey, Dr. Buzzard, Fatback Band.
DIsco make us big^^ Without disco ther where no House Music^^ Think about it!! We live the live like ourer Parents^^ lol. We listen to there music, in a sort of^^ we got the same drugs ... but................. WE MAKE IT BIGGER AND BETTER!!!!!!! HOUSE for live^^
Anyone who says house music was started anywhere outside of Chicago is fucking dunce and is not "dropping jewels." I don't know some NYC residents act like NYC is the best city. It's not the best. It's just a city, no different from other cities.
@tolldoll100 Anyone who suggests that NYC is no different than other cities is seriously lacking in sophistication and worldliness. The name house music did start in Chi, but what most including you don't realize is that the sound, vibe and even the Godfather of House came from NYC baby!
@hardcorehouse Kool Herc is considered the father of hiphop and introduced toasting, even though he's originally from Jamaica. Are you going to say hip-hop started in Jamaica? I'm from NYC, and NYC is not great, which is why I said it's no different from other cities.
@tolldoll100 Actually if you were really a NYer you'd actually know that Herc was only one of the originators, along with others like Pete Flowers. Therefore to say that it was all traceable to Jamaica is erronenous to begin with. On top of that, even the connection with toasting is dubious, because toasting was not exactly the same as rapping-it took being in a NYC environment to evolve to rapping from what he'd done previously-the context in NYC was a big factor not just his origin.
@hardcorehouse I am a New Yorker, born, raised, and still a resident of Brooklyn, dummy. Did I say Kool Herc is the only originator or hip-hop is traceable to Jamaica? Of course not. You must be dyslexic or like to twist people's words. As I mention on my channel, freestyling comes Afro-American oral traditions. It even goes back to the griots of West Africa, not to mention influences from guys like Gil Scott Heron.
@tolldoll100 Furthermore, the original DJ in Jamaica who originated toasting (which was not the same as rap until it evolved in NYC) actually got the idea from a friend who'd visited the US and heard American jocks talkin over records...touche!
@hardcorehouse I know Jamaican toasting came from a Jamaican DJ listening to U.S. jocks. What's your point? NYC is the best? It's a city. Who the fuck cares except for your self-righteous ass?
@hardcorehouse Uh...what the Jamaican DJs emulated is the R&B and funk that was popular in the 60s ...FUNK music is what hip-hop music primarily derived from, and where did funk originate? I don't think James Brown was from NYC...
@tolldoll100 MY man. You can't be from NYC and say it's not great or atleast not recognize the greatness of the city. Just another city? OK! And NY is the hub for dance-music. Ever heard of The Loft, Paridise Garage, Studio 54, The Palladium(90s)? These clubs range from deep underground re-edit tracks to more comercial cuts and they are all known worldwide. These clubs were emulated worldwide. Something like Robert Williams bringn Frankie to the Chi to duplicate what Larry was doing in NY.
@hardcorehouse As for house, it has different influences like disco (that didn't start in NYC). But all that stuff came together in Chicago to create house music. What you and a few others are doing is trying to do is act like NYC is the hub for the musical world, but it's not. Get over it.
@tolldoll100 Just the fact that you don't get that disco was already a huge part of the NY sound years before Chi tells me you don't have any depth. Disco was equally developed in Europe AND NYC, which defeats your whole premise. And they talk about it in parts 1 and 2-are you friggin deaf LOL And FYI NYC WAS the world hub for dance music-but obviously before your time since you don't know this and haven't bothered to read about it..
@hardcorehouse Once again, your "NYC is the best" attitude is stupid. Everything is a derivative of something. And what makes you think I know nothing? Because of my age? How stupid of you. I mention in my comment one of house music's influences is disco. Are you fucking dyslexic?
@hardcorehouse First of all, "disco" is a commercialized term ..and it wasn't birthed in NYC, although they are known for producing most of the records (although most artists weren't even from NY), and having the hottest clubs. "Disco" came out of EUROPE, and it is a more beat-driven, faster tempo, synthesized version of FUNK...and funk didn't come from NYC, but primarily the SOUTH (James Brown) and Midwest (primarily Ohio)
@Lashid4u NY is considered THE birth place of Disco or the Disco movement. NOT EUROPE!!! Disco actually got it start in the Gay, black, latino community in NY who created an atmosphere of freedom of expression. In most cases they were private parties or members only clubs. Spots like the Loft, the Garage and more famous Studio 54 were frequently visited by tourist and promotors nationwide and overseas which is how Europe got wind of the disco movement. Where does documentary start at... NYC!!!
@abxtale Yes, it was appropriate for the documentary to start in NY, but we think of NY as "disco city", because of the clubs ..But I'm talking the MUSIC and those who made the music - not just the clubs that were more likely to play the music ...New York helped bring that gay/disco-tech vibe, but If anything, house is more influenced by Kraftwork, Italo Disco, and Philly Soul..I did a video on this, titled, "It's MY HOUSE, New York" ...please check it out, and we can discuss it further in there
@Lashid4u PT 2: Even Chi Pioneers like Hardy, Saunders, Chip E, Farley, and Hot mix 5 will tell you that Frankie was the 1st to bring music from those labels to the Chi. And THAT sound was originally known as House music or "as played in the Warehouse" as Andre Hatchett described in THIS doc. And NY brought more than the gay/disco vibe. NY also brought the art of how to mix this stuff. The art of blending started in NY/ 60s by dudes like Tee Scott, GM Flowers, Francis Grasso, cont...
@Lashid4u Pt 3: DJ Plummer & Pete DJ Jones. These jocks were blending music in the 60s. NY also brought you that kick ass sound system in the Warehouse put together by Frankys boy and NYs own Richard Long. That's why Chi club heads that were too young to get in the Warehouse were still able to dance outside the club. Just ask Jesse Saunders! And to set the record straight NY acknowledge that House started in the Chi. But The some of you guys from the Chi need to recognize NYs contribution.
@Lashid4u PT 4: Lastly, NY had it's own artist in the Disco/clubmusic/freestyle culture who had major influence in creating House. Groups like Skyy, BT Express, Unlimited Touch, Instant Funk, Asford and Simpson, Chic, Luther Vandross(R&B), Savannah Band, Crown Heights Affair, BBQ Band, D Train(Garage) Colonel Abrams, Aleem(freestyle), Man Parish(you already know), Walter Gibbons/set it off, Peech Boys and many more. NY is more than JUST a melting pot for out of state talent. We produce our own!
@abxtale Yes, I agree, and I own most of these artists' music. My point is that NY need to quit feeling like they have a monopoly on every damn thang. I was recent watching a video on Kraftwerk, and one of the members was pissed about Afrika Baambaata, saying that he took his 2 of his songs, put it into a new song, and called it "hip-hop" ...Now, New Yorkers wouldn't like hearing that hip-hop isn't NY, and I'd be the first to defend them! But NY seem to be in their own world.
@hardcorehouse It's SO interesting how NY want us to recognize that house came from disco (which you claim is purely "NY"), yet, you don't recognize that disco came from funk, which DID NOT derive from NY, and neither did jazz! NY rappers wanna reject the South, yet, will sample Southern artists, such as James Brown, the KING of funk! ..and Chicago is part of the Midwest, which had the most popular funk artist (mainly Ohio) - Ohio Players, Slave, Zapp, the Dazz Band, P-Funk, Heatwave...
@hardcorehouse ..Honestly, hardly anything in NY is original - NY is more of a melting pot. Most of its influence is from foreigners (i.e. Jamaica) ...But lemme tell you something ...Kool Herc wasn't the only West Indian bringing the culture of toasting & Jamaican djing to America ...My brother told me of a Jamaican family, back in the 60s and 70s, holding block club parties on Chicago's South side, very similar to what Kool Herc was doing in NY ...You just heard about it first in the Bronx
@Lashid4u LOL well since your brother told you, then it must be true haha...clearly you didn't live any of this yourself, and are going on recycled info. Just watch part 2 junior, it's right there. Going back to the beginnings of disco (NYC and Europe equally) or funk has nothin to do with the wonderful melange of musics that was NYC in the 70s and early 80s when it was the world's incubator for dance musics. Or as they say in part 1 here, we stole from NYC. Listen and learn buddy.
@Lashid4u Toasting was/is not the same as rapping. It took those in NYC including non-Jamaicans like Pete Flowers as well as Herc to take it to another level in NYC to create rap. And since you don't realize this, the first Jamaican toasters attributed toasting to emulations of American radio jocks, after hearing it done on visits to the United States. As far as the NYC underground vibe that Chi copied, that was an amalgam of funk and disco that you clearly haven't connected the dots on.
@hardcorehouse Toasting was, basically, the MC promoting the DJ, while hyping up the crowd. This is what MC's in hip-hop initially did ..However, they became more creative over time, adding more ad lib, and more rhymes, and, eventually, bars. Your double-standard thinking is interesting. You can separate toasting from rapping, and disco from funk, yet, you can not separate disco from house - you're doing this to your convenience, because it makes it easy for you to say that house started in NY.
@Lashid4u Your problem is that you neither lived any of this nor compensated with adequate research kid. You've got the definition of toasting wrong right off the bat, just like a lot of your other revisionist misinterpretations. Also completely off on the disco and house connections, because you're blissfully unaware of the crucial link between them-the post-disco period of the early 80s during which NYC was the world's incubator for house, hip hop, electro, rap, etc. Read up and learn kid.
i love hiphop but i gotta love house 2!
royalKINGvidz 2 weeks ago
would love tp push this video out more
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My dream is to be a real dj. If someone would have the heart just to give this a thumbs up and spend all of 30 seconds watching a vid, it would mean the world. Thank you all. =))
Lmfano 1 month ago
paul okenfold is a lying CUNT!!!
fradaja 1 month ago 2
@fradaja realy? why???
royalKINGvidz 2 weeks ago
@royalKINGvidz he never went!!
fradaja 2 weeks ago
please, what's the song at 2:56!!!!!!! thank's a lot!!
deimantukas333 2 months ago
@deimantukas333 it's Spring Rain by Silvetti on Salsoul.
dilshad57 2 months ago
@dilshad57 THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
deimantukas333 2 months ago
@dilshad57 first balearic style record i ever heard!! just class!
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MikkaSingh 2 months ago
this is awesome. found this randomly.
peanutboy0921 3 months ago
disco managed to find it's way into early hip hop and house.
Iamwolf134 3 months ago
One of the worst thing people could have done was get rid of disco music. It was such a positive and charismatic time of the 70s. Such a shame.
Domzdream 3 months ago
I'll party until I'm 75 years of age, until I cant walk anymore. I'll never stop partying to dance music.
Domzdream 3 months ago
@Domzdream i will love house until the day i die. Old school will forever rule!!!
musiclover3928 2 months ago
@musiclover3928
I hear ya.
Domzdream 2 months ago
House Heads SUNDAY October 2nd 2011. House Aint Giving UP!! @ Nawlins 17033 Torrence Ave. Lansing IL.
HotMix97radio 4 months ago
That song at 1.24 is 9pm till I come by atb its a good song
babyranks4 4 months ago
What's the song at 1:24 ??? plz help
Jafra5594 5 months ago
@Jafra5594 atb- 9 pm. :)
deimantukas333 3 months ago
what's the name of the sound electronic aT 1.22 MINUT???
shaboo851 5 months ago
PUMP UP THE VOLUME, D.J. INFERNO, EDDIE T. THE ORIGINAL BAD BOY FROM SANTA DOMINGO. WOO HOO!!!!!
seka1986 5 months ago in playlist Pump Up The Volume - House Music Documentary
I love how old this is, Paul Oakenfold looks...well..young
NifieldA 5 months ago
I like this. Michael Blacher Sr.Peace.
michaelblachersr 5 months ago
H O U S E = L O V E....not Hate!...Lets be in Peace on YouTube & appreciate the documentary for the knowledge of House Music.........
mrknow74 5 months ago 13
can someone please put the names of these legends in the beginning of the doc thanks
DJPAZNYC 6 months ago
I can't get enough of this awesome documentary. I guess i'm just a true music lover :)
musiclover3928 7 months ago
The biggest idiot was posting a reaction.
HollandaGuy 7 months ago
Larry Levan wasn't the only one blazing the trail in house, club, and dance music in that time....
If you could ask Larry who influenced him, he would tell you, that Tee Scott, Nicky Siano, amongst many, held court in his mind.
I've seen him (Larry) in "Better Day's" in "Tee's" booth, or at Nicky's place hanging out supporting them, and later on, got to the "Garage" and try to re-create a mix he heard at their clubs..
Larry just had the sound system of life!
Jamallus 7 months ago
Larry Levan wasn't the only one blazing the trail in house, club, and dance music in that time....
If you could ask Larry who influenced him, he would tell you, that Tee Scott, Nicky Siano, amongst many, held court in his mind.
I've seen him (Larry) in "Better Day's" in "Tee's" booth, or at Nicky's place hanging out supporting them, and later on, got to the "Garage" and try to re-create a mix he heard at their clubs..
Larry just had the sound system of life!
Jamallus 7 months ago
Also i no longer just listen to mainstream crap like david guetta or shit like that anymore and know that some of the best shit i have heard are from relatively unknowns...not just in house but also drum and bass, dubstep whatever. Its just such a nice coincidence that thru many years i tried to like hip hop rock etc. but unlike house i cant go back to a especific song that i liked when i was 8 and say its still fucking awesome!!! with house i have always liked those songs and always will
535manbearpig 8 months ago
@535manbearpig as for detroit - well... they simply ripped that beat lock, stock and barrel and pretended that they came up with the idea.
atlantichouse 7 months ago
and tried to find what i like the year of 2010 was a year of many discoveries and changes for me and in that year i started listening to david guetta and i heard the annoying song No Speak Americano( which at the time i loved) but form then on i started finding out about house and realized that over the years the songs that truly captured my soul were all house, ALL were house!!! needless to say i am a huge house fan( have always been) and now listen to anything house and other elctro genres....
535manbearpig 8 months ago
also i will have to say its like house is in ur soul...ever since i was little i have liked house music, i remeber listening to daft punk and the song on 1:24 when i used to live in ecuador and b like awesome!! throughout my live ive liked songs equaled to haddaway's what is love and similar songs. When i used to play gta san andreas i always liked the house radio station in the game but thought it was just weird r&b. Need less to say as ive grown up and tried to find what i like....continued
535manbearpig 8 months ago
hahahaha so funny that now its european white boys who do this genre
535manbearpig 8 months ago
i knew it....balck people invened house!!!
535manbearpig 8 months ago
What is the song called that was playing on 3:55????? Please tell me immediately!!!!!!!!!!!
luigiluvspasta93 8 months ago
@luigiluvspasta93
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CherrySparklz 8 months ago
All this round about talk about Chicago House music, it is underground, you aint gonna find it on you tube. That was the shot heard around the world. And new schoolers never heard it before...
g1a1h1 8 months ago
House started in the Fall of '85 at the Music Box, I dont know why people are talking about all this other stuff. Witch I love FYI.
g1a1h1 8 months ago
also, i dont know y they put atb-til i come....thats trance(forgot what type of trance but yea, trance....love uplifting trance anyways:P)
dahousebeats 8 months ago
yup. black people created house. just like rock and roll and jazz.
blackipinoy 9 months ago
like i said before, the truth will out. chicago/detroit imitated european electro (the true pioneers) and then tried to take all the credit for the creation of this revolutionary new electro genre, which they then rebranded as acidhouse and techno. i understand that disco directly mutated into house but acidhouse and techno absolutely ripped there sound from european electro.
chicago/detroit need to start being a little more honest with themselves regarding this issue.
atlantichouse 9 months ago
@atlantichouse yea plus european house is the HOUSE. chicago house and all that is still too soulful to be truelly house.
dahousebeats 8 months ago
@dahousebeats You ave gotta be kidding me...not sayin that euro hous isnt house, but there would be no House music if it wasnt for Chicago. History has proven it
robbiemack81 8 months ago
@robbiemack81 Funny he should say ‘Euro-House’ is the only true House music, considering the first ever House records were actually the Soulful Disco records they played in the Warehouse
fagAshLil1234 8 months ago
@robbiemack81 Are you fucking stupid? Wait a minute, you are. Euro house (I think you mean that cheesy shit called Eurodance) is not the house. House music originated in Chicago. It was born in Chicago. Besides, it's a whole lot better than that cheesy shit called Eurodance. Given your comment, you really don't know what house is.
tolldoll100 7 months ago
@tolldoll100 you are definitely ILLITERATE!!!! Go back and read MY comment...I said it STARTED in Chicago and if Chicago didnt start them movement there'd be no house...go to the corner, you're in time-out you wildabeast lookick cock ridin cum guzzlin BITCH!!!!
robbiemack81 7 months ago
@robbiemack81 Oh, I'm sorry. I meant to reply to dahousebeats, not you. By the way, I'm a man, not a woman. I have this username because it's easy to remember. I guess I should get a new username. No need to get hostile.
tolldoll100 7 months ago
@atlantichouse no no no. that house music incorporated effects from other genres, that is true....i do know that today's house and even 90s acid and progressive and all that crap incorporated erudonce and a bunch of other crap....but when we say chicago we are talkin about the origins not the evolution...Correction: classic house did was NOT AT ALL influenced by european electro it was the later genres that were, but then again later genres of house originated in europe, hence european influence
535manbearpig 8 months ago
ohh and another thing chicago didnt rebrand the genre acid house, acid originated in britain and was branded so there becuz of the use of acid in london nightclubs..the house pioneered by people in chicago sounded more like r&b or electronic hip hop
535manbearpig 8 months ago
@535manbearpig thanks for the heads up regarding the origin of the term 'acidhouse' being from the u.k. my appologies to chicago for bersmirching there good name with the charge of name rebranding. (a charge which i now level solely at detroit with there rebranding of 'electro' into 'techno') but it just goes to show that the u.k. felt the need to PUT A NAME to what chicago actually carried out, which was a grafting of euro-electro onto house whilst still insisting on calling it purely house.
atlantichouse 7 months ago
fantastica! whats the name of track in at 4.29 ..... ta x
FreshnessStudio1 10 months ago
killer.
lesscunning 10 months ago
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Atlantichouser 10 months ago
@Atlantichouser - why?
NOWtheband 10 months ago
@NOWtheband Oh theres another guy called Atlantichouse, and I made a name similar to him because i want to troll and take the piss out of him becuase he makes stupid comments saying Kraftwerk invented house music
Atlantichouser 9 months ago
@Atlantichouser I'M SPARTACUS
atlantichouse 10 months ago
@Atlantichouser
-- fairynuff: music (& all art, etc) is personal selection/personal opinion, so all is valid.
and really it doesn't matter.
:-)
Kraftwerk, along with disco, are extremely important in the making & history of House music.
its a fact but it doesnt mean you Have to like them.
anyway, they could be nice people, so no need for public expressions of negativity
but even then you are perfectly free to express anything you want, including "Fuck Kraftwerk".
love to all
:-)
NOWtheband 9 months ago
I want to place an link of youtube to show you the difference and the roots of house but it didn't accept the link.
but place this in the search and you see 1 of 5
"Free Your Mind, Dutch House Music Documentary"
HollandaGuy 10 months ago
@HollandaGuy i can't say i'm surprised it didn't except your link.. even i'm having trouble excepting your link. your talking about events in the 90s, i'm talking about events in the 70s/ 80s when the genres of 'house/acidhouse/techno' were born into existence and trying to understand who the main players were in its creation.. your 'dutch history of house' covers events a decade later, so i don't really understand its relevance
atlantichouse 10 months ago
I want to place an link of youtube to show you the difference and the roots of house but it didn't accept the link.
HollandaGuy 10 months ago
hahahaha they call this History of House? well start 10 year further back and come to holland and belgium to learn what realy house is.
Al the songs what i hear is commercial music.
HollandaGuy 10 months ago
@HollandaGuy ok.. we're all ears. how have you come to this conclusion?
atlantichouse 10 months ago
@HollandaGuy ohhhh and your incredibly stupid.....ur documentary starts in the 1990s, when house was already started and established in europe, you fail... watch the whole the documentary and myabe you can deduct that the 1980s comes before the 90s
535manbearpig 8 months ago
@HollandaGuy Another fucking idiot.
tolldoll100 7 months ago
.... all of these artists together or even anyone of them on there own, prove conclusively that detroit/chicagos claim to of invented this electro genre to be nothing other than pure fodder for the sheep to chew on.
pure bullshit... as i've said before, this documentary IS a complete fucking joke.
atlantichouse 10 months ago
@atlantichouse In the late 70's I remember enjoying electronic beats used by bands like Devo of Ohio as well as bands like Yaz or Heaven 17 from Europe. How could you forget that during the 80's electronic type music fell into what was known as New Wave music followed by a new music known as HOUSE from Chicago. Others to spring as new styles were High Energy, Freestyle, Electronica, Ambiance, Techno, Trance, Jungle Beats, Goth, etc. These were all new styles and had there own culture.
jldejesus 10 months ago
@jldejesus your absolutely right, how could i have forgotten new wave?... thanks for the heads up.
atlantichouse 10 months ago
@atlantichouse I have to tell you Atlantic that you really need to snap out of it. Like I said before, your point is understood on the origins of electronic type music since, lets agree, all the way back to the 40's with the drum machine. Everything else that came after that can be identified by style and culture. For example, I will always recognize New Wave and Industrial as European, House as Chicago, Techno as from detroit etc. Add funk, soul and gospel and you got house from Chicago.
jldejesus 10 months ago
@jldejesus i understand what your saying jldejesus, but i find this documentary depressing. sometimes it seems to me that the whole european electro element is being quietly squeeze out of this story. although i do agree with a lot of what your saying, i cannot agree with your comment that Techno came out of detroit, what is it that kraftwerk do if it isn't techno? To me techno IS electro by another name. detroit simply were not doing this stuff until they heard the likes of kraftwerk doing...
atlantichouse 10 months ago
@jldejesus ... it first. detroit imitated there sound and then called it techno. i appologise if i sound like a broken record sometimes but if people let this go then documentarys like this will become the accepted fact and i think that this documentary is attempting to pull the wool over the viewers eyes. detroit did not accidentally find this sound by fiddling with there equipment back in the mid 80s, this sound was already out there... and had been for many years.
atlantichouse 10 months ago
@jldejesus and acidhouse was chicago house's attempt to hitch its wagon to the new beat that the likes of kraftwerk were pioneering and detroit were imitating and renaming as techno.
atlantichouse 10 months ago
@jldejesus can i direct you to a page here on youtube; kraftwerk - homecomputer (paris 1981 live) and ask for your opinion on it. to me this is a major player regarding the true origin's of the so-called 'acidhouse/techno' genre, something that this documentary seems to be at pains to completely ignore. i did see a brief mention of kraftwerk (and european new wave) in this documentary, but you'd miss it if you happened to blink at the wrong moment. and this is my criticism of this piece...
atlantichouse 10 months ago
@jldejesus ...its very keen to expand on the chicago/detroit side of the story (que copius amounts of musical tracks plus footage) but extremely brief when it comes to mentioning the european side of the tale. which suggest to me that they are spinning this story in favour of the myth that this is purely a chicago/detroit creation, which it clearly is not.
atlantichouse 10 months ago
detroit/chicago did not invent 'acidhouse/techno' They simply that copied that electro beat off of kraftwerk, (who's tunes were being played to death on radio wbmx and in the clubs at the time) and renamed it 'acidhouse/techno'
acidhouse/techno is simply electro by another name.
the claim that they 'found' that sound by fiddling with there equipment is pure fantasy. check out Tom Dissevelt and kid Baltan or raymond scott or jean micheal jarre, delia derbyshire, laurie spiegal...
atlantichouse 10 months ago
what's the name of the first song that playss!!! aaaa!!! I mean the one that mixes in after that guy shout about "jack" :P
DJMcLANY 11 months ago
what's the name of the first song that playss!!! aaaa!!!
DJMcLANY 11 months ago
this has nothing too do with house, the groundbase of house is comming from belgium and holland.
HollandaGuy 11 months ago
@HollandaGuy are you refering to Tom dissevelt and kid baltan?
atlantichouse 10 months ago
kraftwerk are the godfathers of the electro revolution not these detroit/chicago plagiarists who have managed to convinced themselves (and the rest of the sheep on planet earth it seems) that they created this beat... and if it wasn't for this pesky youtube they'd probably gotten away with it. but as it is, they now just look like a bunch of sad desperate lieing bastards... is this what happened to rock and roll?.. is history trying to repeat itself?
the truth will out.
atlantichouse 11 months ago
@atlantichouse You are so narrow minded and full of shit pedanticlouse. I will follow u on every page you comment from now on.
Explain for f**k sake why kraftwerk invented house instead of just making flipant comments.
Kraftwerk were sampled by house producers but doesn't mean they created house
in that case you might as well say P.W Norman invented house as he first created the rhytm machine in 1940's fuck you really are a sad case man........ shame on you
BruvaBob 11 months ago
@atlantichouse No your the only sad lieing or (I'll be kind) misguided person on here.
Get a life man, get a woman, get a job and maybe you will change your ways and expand your mind.
BruvaBob 11 months ago
@BruvaBob got a life, got a woman, got a job. but more germane to this particular debate i've got the whole detroit/chicago created acidhouse/techno in the mid-80s MYTH weighed up. This documentary is an utter fucking joke. it seeks to claim ownership of a musical genre that was already in existence before they even started thinking about doing it. how the fuck does that work?
atlantichouse 11 months ago
@atlantichouse Kraftwerk is great. I remember enjoying several of their songs. I grew up listening to music through 70's,80's and 90's during my 20's. I can tell you that you missed the whole picture here. I don't understand how you are so hung up on Kraftwerk and any other European electronic music. Much of what you refer to is true and very much a basis for the evolution of electronic music but you are trapped at the ground level. Electronic music evolved to many different varieties.
jldejesus 10 months ago
pump up the bullshit.
this documentary is a fucking joke.
hah hah hah hah hah hah.
kraftwerk created acidhouse/techno
these detroit/chicago boys are suffering from selective memory.
they didn't invent shit.
they are imitators masquerading as innovators.
atlantichouse 11 months ago
@atlantichouse Mission failed. You have been spotted.
itsacorporatething 11 months ago
@itsacorporatething it is this documentary that has failed my friend. i say documentary but that would be an insult to the word documentary, lets face it, what we are really dealing with here is pure propaganda.
as i've said before detroit/chicago are imitators masquerading as innovators.
its this bullshit that has been spotted.
'pump up the volume' ha ha... now that's a true mission failure.
atlantichouse 11 months ago
spring rain-silvetti at 2:22
zyvoxid 11 months ago 2
can someone tell me the song at 1:23?
DeeBup 11 months ago
8 Dislikes? wtf Thanks for the upload..
paddiosf 11 months ago
on 2:22 which song is that
darkitten1 11 months ago
WHO FUCKING CARES WHERE IT CAME FROM AS LONG AS IT CAME,COME ON.
erictheviking871 11 months ago
its time to (hi)-jack (somebody elses work and take all the credit for it)
this 'documentary' is a joke. whoever researched this needs taking out the back and shooting. its a fucking travesty. this film should be filed under the heading of propaganda. detroit/chicago didn't 'invent' acidhouse or techno, they simply stole that beat off of kraftwerk and pretended that they pioneered it.
atlantichouse 11 months ago
pump up the bullshit
atlantichouse 11 months ago
@atlantichouse and throw it at u once i nick all ur kraftwerk records
fagAshLil1234 11 months ago
Big thankx for adding this genial document about HOUSE :)))
kubsonpl 11 months ago
name track 2:57 ?????
monnette1970 11 months ago
Of course chicagoins get all arrogant and boogy about house it's one of like 3 claims to fame ... We got house hotdogs and deepdish pizza also one of the highest murder rates most couropt politicians and bipolar ass weather
michaelschaper 11 months ago
fuck me! was this supposed to be a comedy. i've never laughed so much in my life. what an absolute pile of bullshit. i don't know how these fuckers managed to keep a straight face. these muppets didn't create acid house, kraftwerk nailed that beat and these morons simply copied it. lol
atlantichouse 11 months ago
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abxtale 11 months ago
@Lashid4u...I agree with your comment to me. At the end of the day does it matter what US region African American music or music in general comes from: Detroit, NY, Chicago, Atlanta, NJ, Baltimore, DC, LA, New Orleans, Memphis...if it's good...it's good...if it's bad....well...you know...it is what it is.
clubhead433 1 year ago
@Lashid4u Pt 1: Kraftwork was big in NY also & Philly soul like MFSB, The O'Jays, First Choice,, Lolleata Holloway(Chi), Gwendelyn Guthrie(NY), Double Exposure, Taana Gardner(NY) and Hall & Oates are some groups that workd with NY labels Salsoul, Westend, and Prelude which became the sound of NY dance culture. Alot of music from these groups were re-edited by guys like Shep Pettibone, Larry, Scott & Jellybean Benitez and brought to the Chi by Frankie. That's how yall got up on Philly Soul.
abxtale 1 year ago
@abxtale HOW DO YOU KNOW? You sound like whites who make these lists on VH1, listing blacks as one-hit wonders who had WAY more hits (they just didn't know about 'em)! You see, NY just got the spotlight (as usual) But Chicago DJ Ron Hardy had been doing his thang since the 70s, but he's hardly regarded as Larry Levan or Frankie Knuckles ..Do you understand that the Midwest is where Motown derived from, which some would say gave us the first "Disco" (i.e. Eddie Kendrick's Keep on Truckin')?
Lashid4u 1 year ago
@Lashid4u How do I know what? That NY DJs were blending music in the 60s? That NY DJ were the 1st to blend/beat match records? Or that Ron Hardy did not start playn Philly souful stuff til Franky came to the Windy? And how can anyone determine what the first Disco record was? I would think it's more like a concentration of songs that rocked in that atmosphere. BTW I know I reply to you over a year ago on why NY gets the credit for creating hip hop in spite of elements that came outside NY.
abxtale 1 year ago
@abxtale As I've posted in my response video, Chicago was already up on Philly soul artists, because Philly soul was very similar to what came out of Chicago, but was kinda made more mainstream through the Motown sound ...Earth, Wind & Fire, Curtis Mayfield, Jerry Butler, Etta James, the Dells ...They repped Chicago - a more gritty, and less harmonic sound, like Teddy Pendergrass of Philly ..and European artists like Kraftwerk & Italo-disco, actually, had more of an influence..and Lime of Canada
Lashid4u 1 year ago
@Lashid4u And in response to many of your post I recommended that you google "What kind of House party is this" and to click on Jesse Saunders Interview where he said a friend told him that he needed to check out the Warehouse where Frankie was playn all this Westend, Salsoul stuff which had alot of Philly stuff that was not being played in the Chi at the time. Chip E also stated that he was inspired by Frankie not so much in his mixing, but more so in the music he was playn at the Warehouse.
abxtale 11 months ago
@abxtale I'm sure they were inspired by Frankie ...as Frankie, I'm sure, was inspired by Chicago (the audience that wanted something faster, as well as talents such as Jamie Principle). Sorry, but although I love some NY, I'm not gonna bow down to NY as you seem to want. Chicago has its own, VERY RICH history in music, hon.
Lashid4u 11 months ago
@Lashid4u Listen, I'm not expecting you to bow down to NY at any level. I do agree that Chicago had a strong influence on Frankie with the creation of house due to the fact that he along with the rest of NYs dance scene had to get on board with puttn out music that was faster with more energy in order to keep up with the growing house scene. NY did not creat house. But NY did help inspire the creation of house. Big up and RIP to Ron Hardy who was instrument in creating the music itself. cont.
abxtale 11 months ago
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abxtale 11 months ago
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@Lashid4u I do acknowledge that NYrs can be arrogent but so can Chicagians especially w/ this House music thing! It's always been known in the N.Y.C that house started in the Chi. True dance music heads know this & I never claimd any different. I was only pointn out the elements that NY brought to the table in the DJs/producers who helpd sparkd this w/ music that was the precurser. W/ that said respect to Jamie P, Chip E, Jesse S, Leonard Rroy, Marshall J, Steve Hurl & the whole Chi movement!
abxtale 11 months ago
@Lashid4u I do acknowledge that NYrs can be arrogent but so can Chicagians especially w/this House music thing! It's always been known in the NYC that house started in the Chi. True dance music heads know this & I never claimd any different. I was only pointn out the elements that NY brought to the table in the DJs/producers who helpd sparkd this w/ music that was the precurser. W/ that said respect to, Jamie P, Chip E, Leonard Rroy, Jesse S, Marshall Jef, Steve Hurl & the whole Chi movement!
abxtale 11 months ago
@abxtale I have no problem in showing NY Love and recognition - I have done this in my vids, before even getting into this debate ...and what's REALLY messed up is how much I have, since the 90s, defended East Coast hip hop...*smh* *sigh*
Lashid4u 11 months ago
@Everyone... Like I said sometime back, this documentary is somewhat misleading. It should be titled "History of Dance music" . House is only a genre of dance music like disco, club music(re-edit disco)and techno. For instance when they get to the Detroit aspect and even overseas, the music played is more Techno and Rave. NY is more soulful disco and club classic while Chicago is disco and House. The term house which is the most popular term has got so broad musically that it creates confusion.
abxtale 1 year ago
@abxtale No, I'm glad they are giving specific focus to HOUSE, because there are many forms of dance music, and I HARDLY hear any props or mention given to house (the house that was birthed in Chicago). There is also Go-go music of the South, which I would, also, put in the category of dance. This is, specifically, on house music, and although there were MANY contributors (from NY to Germany to Philly to the South), Chicago is the HOME. There were many contributors to hip hop, but NY is the home
Lashid4u 1 year ago
@Lashid4u This Doc is misleadn. The only part that covers house or what Chi cats would consider true house is the Chicago segment. They show NY as a Club & Disco music culture while Detroit & overseas is Techno and Rave. So for the fans that don't know better they clump it all as House music which pisses off some Chi people while underminds NYs contributions. It's all dance music & House is just a genre of it like disco/club & techno. I consider Go Go as Hip Hops down south cousin. cont.
abxtale 1 year ago
I love watching these videos wish i can purchase this documentary.
mikneros5 1 year ago
At the end of the day, NYC has its own Dance music sound that predated House Music that influenced the rest of the Disco/Dance world. It was funky, soulful, classy, slick and it sprung out of Black NYC culture. Yes, I was there and lived through it as a young adult.
clubhead433 1 year ago
@clubhead433 ..and Detroit had a dance sound that predated Disco ..it was called Motown (i.e. Keep on Truckin'). And really, IMO, Although the disco "scene" was NY, it is, really, just American funk music (originated w/ Southerner James Brown, and later, bands like P-Funk) taken and sped up, and more synthesized and electronicized, and having the more socially conscious messages diluted from it ..No one EVER denied NY's influence, but NYers seem to have a problem recognizing who influenced them
Lashid4u 1 year ago
Black Chicagoian's knowlegde of rare, obscure soul & funk is phenomenal. It's not about NYC, Detroit, Memphis, Atlanta, LA, Chicago...because where ever Black people are...there's gonna be R&B, Funk, Soul, Gospel, Jazz, Reggae, Afro Latin, Blues...we created it...it's a cultural thing...no matter where Black folks in the US...we can communicate with each other on all basic level that escapes other races & ethnicities understanding.
clubhead433 1 year ago
@clubhead433 You're absolutely right.
tolldoll100 1 year ago
All those artists I posted were Pre-House Music. A music reviewer from Dance Music Report back in 1982 called the sound, "NYC Sophisticated Funk". You cannot deny NYC influence on Disco, Funk, Soul, House, R&B...NY had a sound of its own, independent of Philly, Chicago, Detroit, LA, DC, Atlanta, etc. Watch those old Soul Train clips when homegrown NYC artist would perform or tunes being played...the sound is distinctive from all the others. Chicago birthed the greatest soul music ever...
clubhead433 1 year ago
Tommorow's Edition, Final Edition, Empress, Denroy Morgan (the band on his NYC hit, that sold 500,000 copies in NY alone "I'll Do Anything For You was Crown Heights Affair), Donna McGhee, NYC Peech Boys, Christine Wiltshire, Raw Silk, Shades of Love, Sinnamon, Affinity, B-Beat Girls, Feel, Jamaica Girls, NV, C-Bank, Strafe, Temper, Kid Creole & the Coconuts, Skipworth & Turner...
clubhead433 1 year ago
Billie, Chocolatte, Dhar Braxton, Hanson & Davis, Man Friday, Stardom Groove, Willie Colon, Arnold Jarvis, The Cut, Moonfu, Touch, Black Mamba, Tasha Thomas, Faith, Hope & Charity, Joyce Sims, Level 3, Cultural Vibe, Russ Brown, Paul Simpson, Mark IV, Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam, Circuit, World Premiere, Tammy Lucas, Status IV, La La, Xena, Jobert Singers, Upfront, Serious Intention...
clubhead433 1 year ago
Slyck, Sparque, Stone, Pam Todd, Exodus, Konk, ESG, Logg, Northend, Gunceback Boogie Band, Weeks & Co. Fonda Rae, Melba Moore, Joe Bataan, Shannon, Vicky D., Phreek, Jocelyn Brown, C-Bank, D-Train, Rocker's Revenge, B.B.& Q Band, Sylvia Striplin, Convertion, The Fantastic Aleems, Edwin Birdsong, Luther Vandross, Sharon Brown, Vaughn Mason & Crew, Dinosaur L,
clubhead433 1 year ago
This is the Pure Uptempo R&B/Funk/Soul Sound of New York: Brass Construction, BT Express, Crown Heights Affair, Mandrill, Black Ivory, Universal Robot Band, Change, Inner Life, Cloud One, Jimmy Castor Bunch, Taana Gardner, Skyy, Unlimited Touch, Strafe, The Strikers, Kleeer, Stephanie Mills, Chic, Machine, Cory Daye, Karen Young, The Rimshots, Odyssey, Dr. Buzzard, Fatback Band.
clubhead433 1 year ago
Someone know the title of the music wich start at 1:22 ?
PACPACkage 1 year ago
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Someone know the title of the music wich start at 1:22 ?
PACPACkage 1 year ago
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Someone know the title of the music wich start at 1:22 ?
PACPACkage 1 year ago
Someone know the title of the music which start at 1:22 ?
PACPACkage 1 year ago
aggh! wats that song at 1:23?
da name always escapes me
>.<
LadyMidnight169 1 year ago
@LadyMidnight169
ATB - 9 PM (Till I Come)
dylan240269 1 year ago
@dylan240269 tyvm
XDDDD
LadyMidnight169 1 year ago
DIsco make us big^^ Without disco ther where no House Music^^ Think about it!! We live the live like ourer Parents^^ lol. We listen to there music, in a sort of^^ we got the same drugs ... but................. WE MAKE IT BIGGER AND BETTER!!!!!!! HOUSE for live^^
MrHouser79 1 year ago
@MrHouser79 .and w/o funk, there would be no disco, NOR rap ..and funk primarily originated w/ Southerner James Brown
Lashid4u 1 year ago
Excellent job depicting the era. Somehow or another I recall heavy duty bump'in and jamm'in down in D.C. around '74.
RamonaFromPomona 1 year ago
can any1 write here in english what the guy at 2:07 says? im not english and cant understand some words he says
dlcpereira 1 year ago
@dlcpereira "It ain't about poppin' E"
KKreme15 1 year ago
@KKreme15 i got that part i want to know the whole sentences xD
dlcpereira 1 year ago
from which song did they cut those Horns that start of in 4:30 ?
LovemitE4DiscoMusic 1 year ago
And why are you glorifying gangsters like Al Capone? He was evil and others like him were evil, too.
tolldoll100 1 year ago
Anyone who says house music was started anywhere outside of Chicago is fucking dunce and is not "dropping jewels." I don't know some NYC residents act like NYC is the best city. It's not the best. It's just a city, no different from other cities.
tolldoll100 1 year ago
@tolldoll100 Anyone who suggests that NYC is no different than other cities is seriously lacking in sophistication and worldliness. The name house music did start in Chi, but what most including you don't realize is that the sound, vibe and even the Godfather of House came from NYC baby!
hardcorehouse 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse Kool Herc is considered the father of hiphop and introduced toasting, even though he's originally from Jamaica. Are you going to say hip-hop started in Jamaica? I'm from NYC, and NYC is not great, which is why I said it's no different from other cities.
tolldoll100 1 year ago
@tolldoll100 Actually if you were really a NYer you'd actually know that Herc was only one of the originators, along with others like Pete Flowers. Therefore to say that it was all traceable to Jamaica is erronenous to begin with. On top of that, even the connection with toasting is dubious, because toasting was not exactly the same as rapping-it took being in a NYC environment to evolve to rapping from what he'd done previously-the context in NYC was a big factor not just his origin.
hardcorehouse 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse I am a New Yorker, born, raised, and still a resident of Brooklyn, dummy. Did I say Kool Herc is the only originator or hip-hop is traceable to Jamaica? Of course not. You must be dyslexic or like to twist people's words. As I mention on my channel, freestyling comes Afro-American oral traditions. It even goes back to the griots of West Africa, not to mention influences from guys like Gil Scott Heron.
tolldoll100 1 year ago
@tolldoll100 Furthermore, the original DJ in Jamaica who originated toasting (which was not the same as rap until it evolved in NYC) actually got the idea from a friend who'd visited the US and heard American jocks talkin over records...touche!
hardcorehouse 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse I know Jamaican toasting came from a Jamaican DJ listening to U.S. jocks. What's your point? NYC is the best? It's a city. Who the fuck cares except for your self-righteous ass?
tolldoll100 1 year ago
@tolldoll100 Excellent job making this personal. As far as Kool Herc you're the one who brought up the name LOL just relax buddy i lived it.
hardcorehouse 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse I apologize for the name calling.
tolldoll100 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse Uh...what the Jamaican DJs emulated is the R&B and funk that was popular in the 60s ...FUNK music is what hip-hop music primarily derived from, and where did funk originate? I don't think James Brown was from NYC...
Lashid4u 1 year ago
@tolldoll100 MY man. You can't be from NYC and say it's not great or atleast not recognize the greatness of the city. Just another city? OK! And NY is the hub for dance-music. Ever heard of The Loft, Paridise Garage, Studio 54, The Palladium(90s)? These clubs range from deep underground re-edit tracks to more comercial cuts and they are all known worldwide. These clubs were emulated worldwide. Something like Robert Williams bringn Frankie to the Chi to duplicate what Larry was doing in NY.
abxtale 1 year ago
@abxtale My response is on your channel.
tolldoll100 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse As for house, it has different influences like disco (that didn't start in NYC). But all that stuff came together in Chicago to create house music. What you and a few others are doing is trying to do is act like NYC is the hub for the musical world, but it's not. Get over it.
tolldoll100 1 year ago
@tolldoll100 Just the fact that you don't get that disco was already a huge part of the NY sound years before Chi tells me you don't have any depth. Disco was equally developed in Europe AND NYC, which defeats your whole premise. And they talk about it in parts 1 and 2-are you friggin deaf LOL And FYI NYC WAS the world hub for dance music-but obviously before your time since you don't know this and haven't bothered to read about it..
hardcorehouse 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse Once again, your "NYC is the best" attitude is stupid. Everything is a derivative of something. And what makes you think I know nothing? Because of my age? How stupid of you. I mention in my comment one of house music's influences is disco. Are you fucking dyslexic?
tolldoll100 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse First of all, "disco" is a commercialized term ..and it wasn't birthed in NYC, although they are known for producing most of the records (although most artists weren't even from NY), and having the hottest clubs. "Disco" came out of EUROPE, and it is a more beat-driven, faster tempo, synthesized version of FUNK...and funk didn't come from NYC, but primarily the SOUTH (James Brown) and Midwest (primarily Ohio)
Lashid4u 1 year ago
@Lashid4u NY is considered THE birth place of Disco or the Disco movement. NOT EUROPE!!! Disco actually got it start in the Gay, black, latino community in NY who created an atmosphere of freedom of expression. In most cases they were private parties or members only clubs. Spots like the Loft, the Garage and more famous Studio 54 were frequently visited by tourist and promotors nationwide and overseas which is how Europe got wind of the disco movement. Where does documentary start at... NYC!!!
abxtale 1 year ago
@abxtale Yes, it was appropriate for the documentary to start in NY, but we think of NY as "disco city", because of the clubs ..But I'm talking the MUSIC and those who made the music - not just the clubs that were more likely to play the music ...New York helped bring that gay/disco-tech vibe, but If anything, house is more influenced by Kraftwork, Italo Disco, and Philly Soul..I did a video on this, titled, "It's MY HOUSE, New York" ...please check it out, and we can discuss it further in there
Lashid4u 1 year ago
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abxtale 1 year ago
@Lashid4u PT 2: Even Chi Pioneers like Hardy, Saunders, Chip E, Farley, and Hot mix 5 will tell you that Frankie was the 1st to bring music from those labels to the Chi. And THAT sound was originally known as House music or "as played in the Warehouse" as Andre Hatchett described in THIS doc. And NY brought more than the gay/disco vibe. NY also brought the art of how to mix this stuff. The art of blending started in NY/ 60s by dudes like Tee Scott, GM Flowers, Francis Grasso, cont...
abxtale 1 year ago
@Lashid4u Pt 3: DJ Plummer & Pete DJ Jones. These jocks were blending music in the 60s. NY also brought you that kick ass sound system in the Warehouse put together by Frankys boy and NYs own Richard Long. That's why Chi club heads that were too young to get in the Warehouse were still able to dance outside the club. Just ask Jesse Saunders! And to set the record straight NY acknowledge that House started in the Chi. But The some of you guys from the Chi need to recognize NYs contribution.
abxtale 1 year ago
@Lashid4u PT 4: Lastly, NY had it's own artist in the Disco/clubmusic/freestyle culture who had major influence in creating House. Groups like Skyy, BT Express, Unlimited Touch, Instant Funk, Asford and Simpson, Chic, Luther Vandross(R&B), Savannah Band, Crown Heights Affair, BBQ Band, D Train(Garage) Colonel Abrams, Aleem(freestyle), Man Parish(you already know), Walter Gibbons/set it off, Peech Boys and many more. NY is more than JUST a melting pot for out of state talent. We produce our own!
abxtale 1 year ago
@abxtale Yes, I agree, and I own most of these artists' music. My point is that NY need to quit feeling like they have a monopoly on every damn thang. I was recent watching a video on Kraftwerk, and one of the members was pissed about Afrika Baambaata, saying that he took his 2 of his songs, put it into a new song, and called it "hip-hop" ...Now, New Yorkers wouldn't like hearing that hip-hop isn't NY, and I'd be the first to defend them! But NY seem to be in their own world.
Lashid4u 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse It's SO interesting how NY want us to recognize that house came from disco (which you claim is purely "NY"), yet, you don't recognize that disco came from funk, which DID NOT derive from NY, and neither did jazz! NY rappers wanna reject the South, yet, will sample Southern artists, such as James Brown, the KING of funk! ..and Chicago is part of the Midwest, which had the most popular funk artist (mainly Ohio) - Ohio Players, Slave, Zapp, the Dazz Band, P-Funk, Heatwave...
Lashid4u 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse ..Honestly, hardly anything in NY is original - NY is more of a melting pot. Most of its influence is from foreigners (i.e. Jamaica) ...But lemme tell you something ...Kool Herc wasn't the only West Indian bringing the culture of toasting & Jamaican djing to America ...My brother told me of a Jamaican family, back in the 60s and 70s, holding block club parties on Chicago's South side, very similar to what Kool Herc was doing in NY ...You just heard about it first in the Bronx
Lashid4u 1 year ago
@Lashid4u LOL well since your brother told you, then it must be true haha...clearly you didn't live any of this yourself, and are going on recycled info. Just watch part 2 junior, it's right there. Going back to the beginnings of disco (NYC and Europe equally) or funk has nothin to do with the wonderful melange of musics that was NYC in the 70s and early 80s when it was the world's incubator for dance musics. Or as they say in part 1 here, we stole from NYC. Listen and learn buddy.
hardcorehouse 1 year ago
@Lashid4u Toasting was/is not the same as rapping. It took those in NYC including non-Jamaicans like Pete Flowers as well as Herc to take it to another level in NYC to create rap. And since you don't realize this, the first Jamaican toasters attributed toasting to emulations of American radio jocks, after hearing it done on visits to the United States. As far as the NYC underground vibe that Chi copied, that was an amalgam of funk and disco that you clearly haven't connected the dots on.
hardcorehouse 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse Toasting was, basically, the MC promoting the DJ, while hyping up the crowd. This is what MC's in hip-hop initially did ..However, they became more creative over time, adding more ad lib, and more rhymes, and, eventually, bars. Your double-standard thinking is interesting. You can separate toasting from rapping, and disco from funk, yet, you can not separate disco from house - you're doing this to your convenience, because it makes it easy for you to say that house started in NY.
Lashid4u 1 year ago
@Lashid4u Your problem is that you neither lived any of this nor compensated with adequate research kid. You've got the definition of toasting wrong right off the bat, just like a lot of your other revisionist misinterpretations. Also completely off on the disco and house connections, because you're blissfully unaware of the crucial link between them-the post-disco period of the early 80s during which NYC was the world's incubator for house, hip hop, electro, rap, etc. Read up and learn kid.
hardcorehouse 1 year ago
@hardcorehouse I thank you for inspiring this "kid" to make a video ...
Lashid4u 1 year ago