Not quite sure what yuo mean but its sounds like you dont really understand ? I am taking okinawan shorin-ryu karate and have a 12 year experience in karate. Now if you state that i am wrong than check an legitmate webpage or martial artists that know the correct linage of styles and were they go. Than i will say you are right.
No, man, what are you talking about? It is the most pure, traditional and ancient Karate style called Okinawa Karate. It is the mother of all modern Japanese Karate. Some of the masters' simple wrist hit will literally break your arms or legs.
Why is everyone always arguing about which is more effective. Every martial art is a mixed martial art. None of the old masters stayed completely with there style. Some were influenced by other master in Okinawa, China, etc., check history, MMA is not something new. And if the "traditional" martial artist wanted to get in the cage he would train just as the other fighters. So can we stop this debate, and get to the real question. Who would win in a fight between Chuck Norris or King Kong?
Why is everyone always arguing about which is more effective. Every martial art is a mixed martial art. None of the old masters stayed completely with there style. Some were influenced by other master in Okinawa, China, etc, check history, MMA is not something new. And if the "traditional" martial artist wanted to get in the cage he would train just as the other fighters. So as martial artist, can we end this debate, and get to one that is real, like who would win Chuck Norris or King Kong?
Personally, the loudmouth MMA fighters I met are all talk and no show. Now I have plenty of friends that have gone pro in MMA and they are people I consider competent strong martial artists. Frankly anyone below the pro MMA level, is equal if not worse than any other average martial artist. Now there are exceptions to everything but the reason pro MMA is so successful is that most higher ranked fighters in the octagon are already cream of the crop from their own respective martial arts.
@Supercucu123 fuck pro mma. have u ever seen underground fights? u need to distinguish sport from the real fight, where ur live is on the stake, not just couple bruises
All BS aside as far as Karate goes or MMA goes. To all of those who think this is American Karate, the karate people can laugh at, you have no clue. This style is the OG, the style you can't find outside Okinawa. This is the style that killed Samurai. This style was designed only for killing and killing fast. It even has a ground game for those Bjj or mma fans. Don't know if this vid is a great example or not, but Okinawan Karate is legit. Just check history if you have any doubts.
Hi i have studied Shotokan since i was 3 and know i am 32, i recently met a man at the NEC martial arts show who trains in Okinawan Karate...i was very impressed by what i saw and the Katas i practised with him, its always refreshing to train in different types of martial arts. I think if you are watching Kata you have to visualise the opponent attacking him. Katas have a great meaning to them and train the mind well. No such thing as a bad Martial art just bad teacher(s)
@lightyagami293410 Look up Federacion Madrilena de Karate, World Karate Federation, Shotokan Honbu Dojo, or Real Federacion Espanola de Karate, they should have information about karate schools in Madrid. I don’t know how good the schools are, that’s for you to find out personally. Hope this information helps.
I c a lot of MMA thugs think that Traditonal Karate is not practical. You thugs need to know you will have no eyes and balls left if you try something like take down against real Karateka. Because ,In real combat, they can rip your nose, ear and throat, kick to your supporting knee, grown so many things if you try to BJJ hug him. You see how often lowblow easily occur in MMA? Yet, the referee saves you. But against real karateka who does hundreds front kicks everyday aiming ur groin, u'd b dead
@brazilianspiritzz Don't forget, they're taught that techniques like that are unpractical and very dishonorable. They're sport fighters, so of course they wouldn't know what real fighting was. And they think the only practical MA in the world is Brazilian Jujutsu because, "Why would I stand and fight when i can tackle you and break your arm, haha yuk yuk XD?" Not realizing someone WILL smash them in the head with a brick as they attempt too. But then again, they're sport fighters.
Not sure about the LAW in the USA but the use of reasonable force in self defense in the UK is critical . Obviously Guns are illegal but if you are attacked in a bar / pub by a unarmed assailant the use of any weapons would be illegal as it would not be a reasonable defense !! . But if hes carrying a beer glass that changes things a little but you still would have difficulty in a court of law if you used a knife in defense - thats why unarmed combat like Boxing is preferred in UK .
@music4uandme09 Okinawan Karate is a strong martial art that is very balanced. "Goju" means, "Hard Soft". Meaning the balance of strong body conditioning and crushing technique, and soft flow and control. I am an 11 year Ikkyu in Goju, and it is a very effective art when used properly. It is not built for competition if hat is what you are asking, it was built for defence of ones physical well being. It utilizes devastating techniques on weak points: joints, pressure points, testicles, ect.
What you put into an art or practice, you'll get out. Practice hard and the art does not matter. Even thow I am a practitioner of Okinawan Karate and traditional Jujitsu. The result is the same. What you put in you get out.
I don't think people understand that real fights with guys as strong as these masters (it's not just their style that gives them strength, they are physically impeccable) fights can easily end in one punch. Karate has an art of breathing so honestly, it's more durable in a fight as a style than you'd realise.
Honestly, I don't do Karate, I know people who do and practise Judo and they're beastly - destroying a guy's face in one punch beastly, only 16 - 18 too. Karate works in a real situation!
Mr. Miyahira Katsuya (1918-2010) Hanshi had been training in Karate for almost 80 years. His teacher was the great Mr. Chibana Choshin (1885-1969) who was a student of Mr. Itosu Anko (1832-1916) who finished Mr. Funakoshi Gichin (1868-1957) who was the founder or Shoshisha of Shotokan Karate Do. Please remove your commit Sir It is very disrespectful. For someone who has just started the martial arts it is time for you to open your eyes, ears and mind. Thank you
@1banryukyu My comment meant no disrespect in fact it was the complete opposite, i was in awe of the skill of the master, his body seemed on the out side completely calm and relaxed but under neither is great power. My comment was meant as a complement but i will remove it, sorry for the confusion.
I should apologize, you have the right to post what you feel and you should have that right (in the US). After rereading your commit, I understand what it was you were trying to convey. I hope that you get as much out of Bujutsu/Martial Arts as you put into it. Gambatta Good luck
@TheEminemadness That statement is so ignorant I can immediately rule out the possibility that you've ever trained in any form of budo. I'd even go so far as to say you don't train at all but that would be presumptuous.
I'm not going to tell you why you're wrong because you've already made up your mind. Live in ignorance and just wonder why it is people study karate even though YOU say their practices have no value, a statement based on nothing, an argument from ignorance in philosophical terms.
I love how my sensei values Kata so much. Even though he loves kumite and believes it's necessary, he doesn't think it's better than Kata unlike many people these days. He always explains that Kata is fundamental and utterly valuable. He explains every technique and how he would use it in a fight. He used to do kickboxing and says it's fun and great but in depth it's a shallow puddle while Karate Kata is the deepest ocean water.
To all you fools trying to mend the broken martial arts society.
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Never teach the ignorant what's behind the curtain. An ignorant person, shall remain ignorant until death. What you teach will be warped--Ignorance is selfish and everything learned will become so; teach them how to defend themselves and they will start a fight to claim it was "self defense." Miyamoto Musashi taught this lesson in his book, "Book of Five Rings."
in my opinion, katas are a basic routine, used for daily practices and training;
as for the professional/experts they develop their style, and different combinations of karate to adapt to the person's needs, and their comfortablilty
(but, like what the other guys said that's my own opinion, just wanted to express my self :P)
In my opinion, katas are simply put, a combination of your kihons that lets your body practice movements, so that in a realistic situation, a well practiced karateka's body will react instantaneously out of reflex and instinct. Note: It's just my opinion!
Kata not only teaches real moves but how to transition from defense to attack. The movements of the kata in a street life and death situation obviously wont be followed by the exact movements of specific a kata - they cant be predicted. However, the principles learned in the practice of kata can be translated into various situations.
Kata is an outdated relic of feudal Japan. Like other traditional martial arts, Karate has been replaced by modern mma styles like BJJ and Muay Thai in both sports fighting and military/police self defense. The reason is not because karate sucks, but because karate-ka's focus on pointless kata and styles which reduce time spent doing effective contact sparring and pad training. Forget kata and the excessive rhetoric and train what will work in a real fight.
@freemage22 Kata is the little dictionary of martial art moves. BJJ and muay thai take lesser time to get proficient in. They are also ring sports; they have rules while okinawan karate does not. In a no rule fight i would say a karate master would win against a muay thai champion. Also did you know that inside the kata it also has grappling, joint locks, and different strikes? Ignorant people like you should have their fingers taped together so we don't have any more stupid comments like this.
@iMisogynist I am no expert, but it seems to me that tradtional karate as shown here displays a dimension that MMA disciplines, however effective they may be, do not have. When viewing a karate kata, even disregarding the defense applications, it's not difficult for me to sense a presence of an inner power, something that transcends muscle-and-bone maneuvers. Traditional karate practice like this seems to embody more than self-defense technique alone.
@freemage22 With mma practice you have something substandard you can use in a month. With traditional training it takes a long time to reap the rewards but you have something powerful that will keep getting better until you die. You cannot understand the old ways if you have not participated in them so you are not qualified to make the statement you are. With sanchin training after a few years you will develop striking power that will devastate an opponent with a strike that takes no energy to
@freemage22 K so if you no it all why is Lyoto Machida done so well? he came from a Traditional Karate and he uses it in his fights? also GSP came from a Traditional Karate also Bas Rutten, Chuck Liddel and before you comment on Kata well your lack of insight take note that Lyoto has used techniques used in Shotokan Karate in his fights to good effect its just that you dont understand Kata it can also be broken down and techniques founf in certain Katas can be used
@freemage22 I do have to agree that that there is alot of time spent on kata...training in a traditional style myself, But there is alot more to the kata then what it appears to be. MMA fighters, do know how to punch and kick, I give them that. EVERY martial arts deserves respect, For it is not the style that makes the fighter, it's the fighter that makes the style. Oh...and just so you know...Kata, in karate, comes from Okinawa, which at the time...was a separate kingdom known as Ryukyu.
I noticed practicing tokomeni nokon many of the movements I learned from trainning in the use of the bayonet. Im working on a bayonet Kata with tokomeni no kon as the basis.
im thinking about taking Okinawan karate can any one give some info on how it works etc. Thanks ! im taking hapkido now i think i might want to try this though. So any info like on how belt tests go and how they train you etc would be halpful .. thanks ! Domo arigato gozaimashita ! if i spelled that right ... :)
SOLDIERS, BOXERS, MARTIAL ARTISTS OF ALL KINDS, RIFLEMEN, LET US TRAIN IN WHAT MAKES US WARRIORS..... As the Navy has said, "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"... "Pain is weakness leaving the body"....
I love this art... I have nothing against other arts, including boxing.... Listen, no one Force in the Universe is ever an end-all solution... Guns can be disarmed, Karate can be beaten by Guns, if one is not fast enough, missiles can not be beaten by guns, unless hit before takeoff, or a lucky hit in mid-air... Even nukes can be disarmed relativley easy with the right training... Balance is the order of the day....
when I finally found a dojo to train at, it turned out to be another one of those which trains you to take part in competitions where rules are just plain stupid..
i actually plan to get some basic karate training and then go to okinawa to live for few years to actually experience REAL Karate.
@Vadimec I would jump on a plane to Okinawa this instant if I could, and I bet you will find some awesome Sensei there, but in case that doesn't happen, don't be discouraged. Though few and far between, there are good karate (and other traditional martial arts) instructors in the US and in most other countries. You just have to keep looking and not give up hope. It is not where the Sensei is, but who he/she is that matters.
The first section of this video is, Tsuguo Sakumoto preforming kata which, I believe is 'Annan' the style is Ryuei-Ryu, one of the lesser known styles of Okinawa.
There is alot of styles, of Okinawan Karate such as Goju, Kyokushin, Uechi, Shito ryu, Isshin Ryu, Okinawa te, Shotokan. They are very powerful styles, students bodies are toughend up to the point were there masters can break boards on them. The students can also break things like baseball bats with there wrists, boards with there finger tips. They are very powerful in fighting because there bodies are toughend up there weak points are the head though.
i am a begginer in okinawan karate im am doing shorin ryu and i have a lot of questions i cant talk to my seise at the moment but i have a lot of questions if anyone can help please respond
@briancoolb123 well for one all my research states that shorin ryu focus on linear and direct attacks and blocks i dont really get that and are there any kind of throws in shorin ryu one last one what is the differece in shorin ryu than others i can never get a specific answer thank you
@okinawate1996 shorin ryu has no throws.shorin ryu are similar to other okinawan karate.the only differece are in some katas.the katas have the same name but are
proform different to other styles.shorin ryu are linear and direct attacks and blocks means there are no circular movement in the style.
@briancoolb123 I'm sorry i am a Shuri Ryu Karate ka. the Kata Dragon Boy Dumping form is called Wansu. it has a throw in it, The last Kata had that move in it.
@btchkiler actually i cannot do okinawa te anymor emom cant afford it instead im doing kung fu i can clearly see the difference and similarities i like okinawa te but it didnt have any throws i want selff defence but i liikle takin my oppenents to the ground and okinawa te was to direct i like to be able to bend the moves to make them my own i would still love to talk about it tho
@btchkiler Can you tell me where you learned this? I've never heard this before and I'm always interested to learn more.
I've always understood karate-jutsu to be technique, karate-ka to be the practioner, and karate-do as "the way of" with, as you noted, spiritual implications.
To anyone who thinks that a kata is just a set form of movements made to practice your "form" you are badly mistaken! Just look up Bunkai and you will understand how you can place katas into real life situations.
I was told by the Sensei when I took this art nearly 20 years ago, that the Okinawans were forbidden by the Japanese to have, carry or practice with any weapons. So the Okinawans used what they had.
Most of which were farming tools that the Okinawans learned to use as weapons.
I have heard Skumoto does not like Shorin Ryu styles & trash talks them, even though two of his students that trash talked were put in the hospital by a Shorin Ryu master in late 90's
Tsuguo Sakumoto, an unknown school teacher from Okinawa who practiced a style of karate no one had heard of caused a sensation when he won the world kata championship with his performance of "Anan" Both Sakamoto and his style, Ryuei Ryu, have gone on to became both famous and highly regarded wherever karate is practiced.
In a true kata, no motion is for show, or without reason. The old masters did not fight for show, they did not fight for fun or sport. They fought to defend their lives and to the death. There is no room for flash. The movements are there for a reason, and it is through the practice of the kata that, after months and years, a student may begin to unlock their meaning, and even discover new ones their own teachers may not have.
@jdtwk123 If every movement has a reason...and this kata is used to defend their lives, it'll be a massive failure if applied on the streets today. It may have worked back in the old days when no one knew how to fight, but the techniques and skill of a modern day fighter, for example an MMA fighter, will beat any karate grand master with ease.
@FoulCanal The sheer level of ignorance in that statement shows how little martial art knowledge you have. Of any kind. You have none. You have zero understanding of HOW to apply the moves in a kata. Only someone who has never studied an art could say "In the old days when no one knew how to fight". Are you serious? In the "old days" martial arts were used for killing people. Defending your village from invaders. Not playing a game in a ring with a referee like MMA.
@jdtwk123 U sound angry. Is that what they teach u in karate?People fight to kill on the streets, so these MMA techniques are not only used to entertain but also used to kill. U cant tell me that ur grand masters havent paticipated in a ring setting with a referee involved. Dont they have kata or karate tournaments? U dont need to study kata to know that it wont work on the streets.Kata is predictable,street fightin isnt. Kata is ALL SHOW & useless today.Leave kata in the museum where it belongs
@FoulCanal lol your lack of insight and understanding is realy shown you have no idea k so if Karate sucks why is Lyoto Machida, GSP, Chuck Liddel, Bas Rutten done so well also check styles like Kyokushin or also Dojos in Okinawa and Japan go and see how they spar they dont use gloves and dont hold punchs and most times ends up in a wrestling match go check up Fight Quest Kyokushin Karate
@mitchx69 I sense my comments have hurt your feelings Mr Miyagi. I shall retract my comments at once, so I shall be one with the earth. Please excuse my....uhh as you put it, "lack of insight and understanding"...hahaha. You guys and your comments crack me up. I LOVE IT. You guys talk so much about control, but everyone replying is showing signs of anger and or frustration. Learn to control your emotions guys. You all sound like a bunch of girls getting offended at my comments, hahaha.
@FoulCanal That may be true, but please respect us. Karate is not about fighting, it's about finding yourself and training your body and your soul. I don't know who would win, but, sincerelly, It doesn't really matter. So please stop this.
And you look REALLY cool over there making fun of people behind your computer screne xD haha
Why don't you go get a life, that doesn't involve making fun of people online to make you feel better about your own lack of martial or spiritual skill. Thank you =D
@FoulCanal the only effective skills in mma have been taken from traditional martial arts. how many mma fighters are you going to run into on the streets anyway? you still have limited ways to kick and punch if you are an mma fighter, that is no different. you have an opinion here but you have not put any critical thought to it.
@FoulCanal Did you not know that many of the movements you see in these kata are representative of small joint manipulations and vital strikes which are both violation of ufc rules? In other words, they are not allowed in the ring for a reason. Google ufc rules - In the ring it's just gound and pound. The first thing I do when someone takes me to the ground in REAL life is remove their eyeballs n windpipe. Guess I'd lose that bout. At least I'd be alive. Unlike the sport fighter.
@tuitejitsu guess what an MMA fighter would do to you if he were fighting for his life? He'd kill you. MMA fighters can remove eyes balls too mate. If there were no rules in UFC, then there would be heaps of dead guys.
If you put the best MMA fighter up against the best Karate fighter in a death match, MMA fighter will win. Stop fooling yourself man.
@FoulCanal The problem here seems to be that yes, a 6'6" muscle bound guy trained to fight for sport can also defend himself on the street and be hard to hurt. I personally wouldn't want to fight him but think I would have a chance since I train purely in self defense... but because of this stud muffin hero worship, mma folks seem to think that smaller people who learn karate and the like can't be effective. Why is this? Do they feel threatened? Have they been hit in the head too much?
@FoulCanal you and your Ultimate Fighting crew who rent the paperviews talk shit like you know know something because you recognize ground armbars, rearnaked chokes etc lol, Tell me what have you studied? Anything at all? Be honest now
@FoulCanal The Grand Masters, are Grand Masters for a reason...MMA...is nothing compared to a person who has made a style their life...not their lively hood. As Sun Tzu, a very wise man, once said "For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill." Grand Masters do not need a trophy to show that they are great, to prove that they can kill you with a single blow, Look into ones eyes, and you will know fear
@FoulCanal oh...good come back. I'm shaking in me boots....*shivers* the little MMA fan is going to show me what fear is....me so scared....I'm sorry, but you'll have to try better then that.
@jdtwk123 That's a complete load of bollox for numerous reasons. First of all you weren't there when the Katas were "invented", so you don't know if they were fighting for fun or sports. Secondly you don't see these dance moves pulled off in any fight on tape, only in your wet dreams of some mythical past that never existed. Also, what nonsense, unlocking meanings! that's hilarious, but I guess anyone who truly wants to learn how to fight wouldn't fall for your unlocking magical meaning spew.
@glossandcurls You are more than welcome to come by our dojo in Belmont massachusetts, at your earliest convenience, to show your abilities and compare combat theory.
Your abusive language and use of words like "magical" show you have the same lack of understanding of kata application I was trying to highlight. And yes, I was not there. That is why teachings are passed down, philosophies written down. You can find many writings by the old grandmasters, as well as historical documents.
@jdtwk123 And you are more than welcome to participate in any MMA event and show your fighting skills in a gentlemanly fight. To say that my language is abusive when millions of kids who wanna learn to fight go to karate and have to put up with a dance routine to apparently lol show their knowledge/skill/ability could be consider to be abusive behaviour. You guys wanna buy into a myth, you are like religious nuts who think some oriental guy took on a whole army with katas.
@glossandcurls There goes another i presume big bulk of muscle coming here trying to justify their actions and ways. You cannot talk about something you have no understanding. Well of course you can, but you cannot presume your words having any real meaning outside your head. When you'v studied karate, philosophies, mind states and the commitment at best to god and all that is true in you and outside of it. Then you might grasp something and evolve a bit.
@glossandcurls No harm done, but for everyone to continue with their development with full concentration you might want to continue wathcing that MMA. Or is it that you crave to bring some inner qualities to your fighting without knowing it conciously yet? Whatever you do don't judge, that already shows your lack of true masterhood. True master of any profession never judges an apprentice of another. For for a true masterhood you need understanding of life as a whole to work accurately in it.
Every Kata is a complete fighting system. Every movement has many applications, and the performing of a kata is not a fight with an imagined opponent, in literal. Every motion should be considered in the context of various opponents, such as "how might this be used when attacked like...?" but the kata as a whole is not a mimed fight scene. It is to lead you to applicaiton through study of the movements. Every movement is a zen puzzle, with many solutions, with practice you begin to see them.
@jdtwk123 of course you have to have a way of training it or using/applying it in atleast a sparring situation. now a days people just put on gloves and jump back and forth trying to tag each other. to me it doesn't look like it would be effective at all in a REAL situation. I'm not trying to degrade the art or anything I'm just saying people don't train realistically (only for sport) anymore and because of that the art is diminishing
@YoungCrs I would agree with your assessment of how the majority of people train nowadays, and how that impacts the arts. Kata has to be trained, but also understood as to how you FLOW with and respond with it. Understanding how it gets used in a real situation. Its just like learning a language. If you only know 10 sentences, your going to get questions you can't answer. You need to understand the grammar before you can effectively use the words.
@jdtwk123 its funny you use the sentence analogy because I train in Wing Chun and we use the same. The forms are the letters. Through drill training we learn to use these letters to make words. As we advance we learn to construct sentences. And as we continue to master the art we learn to make poems, flow with ease.
@jdtwk123 I like your comment. I have done Kung Fu and Isshing Ryu. I like the Isshin Ryu much better because it has no unnecessary movements and does not try to make the body bend into weird stances. People that have not trained for several years do not understand that benchpressing 300 pounds will not improve your punch very much, but sanshin training will make your punch unbelievable. I love the traditional training methods. To me Karate is not a sport. Most humbly, thank You.
@jdtwk123 That's true. I've been practicing shotokan-karate for 9 years and now I'm beginning to understand what the katas mean... It's so wonderful! It's like an ancient puzzle you have been trying to solve and with time, a long time, you finally start to solve it...
@yuffie24neddea24 It is good you are learning how to understand, rather than simply memorizing motions. It will pay off in many ways as you train. Frankly I need to increase my own training. I've been very busy lately!
Your english is fine, by the way :). Katas are a language in motion. That is good, because anyone anywhere can learn them!
In okinawan karate we do not use the term "forms". We practice "kata". The scope of attempting to explain kata is much to large for this limited format. When learned well you will find that kata has infinite bunkai and is used in a state of mind like water with eyes like moon as you travel to your destination you adapt and overcome obstacles in the path.
@BadBlueBoy213 most styles have the same katas and they vary only slightly depending on the view of the creator.wado katas contain mostly head level blocks,shito contains mostly body level blocks.
lol whatever man.. I studied this style for 7 years and is absolutely USELESS for fighting. anyone who says different were fighting CANS or are a legend in their own mind
if u studied this style for 7 years but yet you said its useless then why did you stay in it for 7 years? wouldnt that make you stupid?? that could be the problem lol but on a serious note you sound like one of those people who say you studied something for X amount of years for X amount of time just to make your self sound creditable but in reality you probably never studied that style and if you did probably not for very long. come on now it took you 7 years to realize it was useless? ROFL
after a lifetime of training these masters now in ther late sixties or in their seventys ranked 10th dan are encyclopedias of wisdom and knowledge, they are not young and atheletic as they were in there youth. to the critics of these masters, i hope you can still move when you become their age--- if you live long enough
and you know if they did not do kata they would not be so good at fight!
so trust me they did kata! every good fighter do kata! you know i am at competiton alot! i competiton my self! and i see those guys how don't do kata,only fighting(kumite) they are SO BAD fighers ! they have NO tecknick they just swinging there arms ! so KATA is soul
yup, that's what most people don't understand. Heavy stance training and emphasis on kata is just as important as all the shadowboxing and application they do. Alot of people think kata is silly because it's "not applicable to a fight". Little do they know that is one of the most applicable parts of all :)
bruce cricqized forms and stop doing it, he beleived it was useless and out dated....so no he didnt do forms after he founded his jeet kune do(concepts not a style) but mas oyama, yea he did kata and its a part of his system. and im a traditionalist and forms is a great way to practise basics, form endurance leg power and balance ect ect..boxers and mma wrestling all do some form of shadow boxing. its good as long as its not the only thing your doing
youre one hundred percent right, ive just recently been to okinawa, i trained at the jundokan, there is a lot of difference between the way westerners portray the practice of karatedo, and what is going on, firstly it has been said that you need permission from your sensei and a written letter to train in such a respected traditional dojo, nothing could be further from the truth, i emailed them before going, they welcomed my request, i trained there for two weeks. had a great time.
And Another thing Japanses Karate and Okinawan karate have very different pholisphies that are clearly different between them.
mater19 1 month ago
Not quite sure what yuo mean but its sounds like you dont really understand ? I am taking okinawan shorin-ryu karate and have a 12 year experience in karate. Now if you state that i am wrong than check an legitmate webpage or martial artists that know the correct linage of styles and were they go. Than i will say you are right.
mater19 1 month ago
or it could be goju-ryu
mater19 1 month ago
looks like a combination of chinese kempo and a style under the shorin ryu branch.
mater19 1 month ago
@mater19
No, man, what are you talking about? It is the most pure, traditional and ancient Karate style called Okinawa Karate. It is the mother of all modern Japanese Karate. Some of the masters' simple wrist hit will literally break your arms or legs.
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Why is everyone always arguing about which is more effective. Every martial art is a mixed martial art. None of the old masters stayed completely with there style. Some were influenced by other master in Okinawa, China, etc., check history, MMA is not something new. And if the "traditional" martial artist wanted to get in the cage he would train just as the other fighters. So can we stop this debate, and get to the real question. Who would win in a fight between Chuck Norris or King Kong?
PrimeOcho 2 months ago
Why is everyone always arguing about which is more effective. Every martial art is a mixed martial art. None of the old masters stayed completely with there style. Some were influenced by other master in Okinawa, China, etc, check history, MMA is not something new. And if the "traditional" martial artist wanted to get in the cage he would train just as the other fighters. So as martial artist, can we end this debate, and get to one that is real, like who would win Chuck Norris or King Kong?
PrimeOcho 2 months ago
I tried that but my undies kept getting all knotted up!
robertelliottlangs 2 months ago
Personally, the loudmouth MMA fighters I met are all talk and no show. Now I have plenty of friends that have gone pro in MMA and they are people I consider competent strong martial artists. Frankly anyone below the pro MMA level, is equal if not worse than any other average martial artist. Now there are exceptions to everything but the reason pro MMA is so successful is that most higher ranked fighters in the octagon are already cream of the crop from their own respective martial arts.
Supercucu123 2 months ago
@Supercucu123 fuck pro mma. have u ever seen underground fights? u need to distinguish sport from the real fight, where ur live is on the stake, not just couple bruises
donfanto1 2 months ago
This is good shit!!! And that's right people please don't feed the trolls
brklynsown 3 months ago
All BS aside as far as Karate goes or MMA goes. To all of those who think this is American Karate, the karate people can laugh at, you have no clue. This style is the OG, the style you can't find outside Okinawa. This is the style that killed Samurai. This style was designed only for killing and killing fast. It even has a ground game for those Bjj or mma fans. Don't know if this vid is a great example or not, but Okinawan Karate is legit. Just check history if you have any doubts.
bryanzellar 4 months ago
Not many people know this but a man killed 50 bulls with his bare hands using none other than Karate.
Shrumins 4 months ago
i wonder what kind of quality to be their sons in law? :D the first master is truly scary. my respect to him (and the others, too)
soerism 5 months ago
Please don't feed the MMA or UFC trolls thank you =]
demonfox13 6 months ago
True power of masters traditional karate and kobudo...excellent stuff.
telmac899 6 months ago
Hi i have studied Shotokan since i was 3 and know i am 32, i recently met a man at the NEC martial arts show who trains in Okinawan Karate...i was very impressed by what i saw and the Katas i practised with him, its always refreshing to train in different types of martial arts. I think if you are watching Kata you have to visualise the opponent attacking him. Katas have a great meaning to them and train the mind well. No such thing as a bad Martial art just bad teacher(s)
Thanks for Video.
james8789ff 6 months ago
I want to learn karate i have 15 and live in madrid... any good dojo there?
lightyagami293410 7 months ago
@lightyagami293410 Look up Federacion Madrilena de Karate, World Karate Federation, Shotokan Honbu Dojo, or Real Federacion Espanola de Karate, they should have information about karate schools in Madrid. I don’t know how good the schools are, that’s for you to find out personally. Hope this information helps.
barrettokarate 5 months ago
I c a lot of MMA thugs think that Traditonal Karate is not practical. You thugs need to know you will have no eyes and balls left if you try something like take down against real Karateka. Because ,In real combat, they can rip your nose, ear and throat, kick to your supporting knee, grown so many things if you try to BJJ hug him. You see how often lowblow easily occur in MMA? Yet, the referee saves you. But against real karateka who does hundreds front kicks everyday aiming ur groin, u'd b dead
brazilianspiritzz 7 months ago 14
@brazilianspiritzz Don't forget, they're taught that techniques like that are unpractical and very dishonorable. They're sport fighters, so of course they wouldn't know what real fighting was. And they think the only practical MA in the world is Brazilian Jujutsu because, "Why would I stand and fight when i can tackle you and break your arm, haha yuk yuk XD?" Not realizing someone WILL smash them in the head with a brick as they attempt too. But then again, they're sport fighters.
HairofSteel555 6 months ago
@brazilianspiritzz You've made us karateka's proud! :')
HolyCrapDudeXD 1 month ago
great techniques. True masters in my opinion, thanks for the video.
MarcinWarsaw 7 months ago
pure art.
Tlaloc51740 8 months ago
Not sure about the LAW in the USA but the use of reasonable force in self defense in the UK is critical . Obviously Guns are illegal but if you are attacked in a bar / pub by a unarmed assailant the use of any weapons would be illegal as it would not be a reasonable defense !! . But if hes carrying a beer glass that changes things a little but you still would have difficulty in a court of law if you used a knife in defense - thats why unarmed combat like Boxing is preferred in UK .
nobbytang 8 months ago
@music4uandme09 Okinawan Karate is a strong martial art that is very balanced. "Goju" means, "Hard Soft". Meaning the balance of strong body conditioning and crushing technique, and soft flow and control. I am an 11 year Ikkyu in Goju, and it is a very effective art when used properly. It is not built for competition if hat is what you are asking, it was built for defence of ones physical well being. It utilizes devastating techniques on weak points: joints, pressure points, testicles, ect.
HairofSteel555 9 months ago
@music4uandme09
What you put into an art or practice, you'll get out. Practice hard and the art does not matter. Even thow I am a practitioner of Okinawan Karate and traditional Jujitsu. The result is the same. What you put in you get out.
budobg 9 months ago
I am related to the creators of this style!
RYANUECHI 10 months ago
6:25 he eventually created a magical force
WLOfails 10 months ago
he looks very stiff
WLOfails 10 months ago
I don't think people understand that real fights with guys as strong as these masters (it's not just their style that gives them strength, they are physically impeccable) fights can easily end in one punch. Karate has an art of breathing so honestly, it's more durable in a fight as a style than you'd realise.
Honestly, I don't do Karate, I know people who do and practise Judo and they're beastly - destroying a guy's face in one punch beastly, only 16 - 18 too. Karate works in a real situation!
HideoFTW1 11 months ago
im sure all of those guys are very nice people but if someone tries to mess with them the karate masters will fuck them up
gameboykid11 11 months ago
Hai guys. Shut the fuck up. Arrange a time, date and place to spar. Winner is the right person in the argument. End of story.
Supercucu123 11 months ago
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toxi87 11 months ago
@toxi87 Young man
Mr. Miyahira Katsuya (1918-2010) Hanshi had been training in Karate for almost 80 years. His teacher was the great Mr. Chibana Choshin (1885-1969) who was a student of Mr. Itosu Anko (1832-1916) who finished Mr. Funakoshi Gichin (1868-1957) who was the founder or Shoshisha of Shotokan Karate Do. Please remove your commit Sir It is very disrespectful. For someone who has just started the martial arts it is time for you to open your eyes, ears and mind. Thank you
1banryukyu 11 months ago
@1banryukyu My comment meant no disrespect in fact it was the complete opposite, i was in awe of the skill of the master, his body seemed on the out side completely calm and relaxed but under neither is great power. My comment was meant as a complement but i will remove it, sorry for the confusion.
toxi87 11 months ago
@toxi87 Sir
I should apologize, you have the right to post what you feel and you should have that right (in the US). After rereading your commit, I understand what it was you were trying to convey. I hope that you get as much out of Bujutsu/Martial Arts as you put into it. Gambatta Good luck
1banryukyu 11 months ago
They do the moves but never use them in a fight
TheEminemadness 1 year ago
@TheEminemadness That statement is so ignorant I can immediately rule out the possibility that you've ever trained in any form of budo. I'd even go so far as to say you don't train at all but that would be presumptuous.
I'm not going to tell you why you're wrong because you've already made up your mind. Live in ignorance and just wonder why it is people study karate even though YOU say their practices have no value, a statement based on nothing, an argument from ignorance in philosophical terms.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@TheEminemadness they sure as hell use these moves in fights!!!
gameboykid11 11 months ago
I love how my sensei values Kata so much. Even though he loves kumite and believes it's necessary, he doesn't think it's better than Kata unlike many people these days. He always explains that Kata is fundamental and utterly valuable. He explains every technique and how he would use it in a fight. He used to do kickboxing and says it's fun and great but in depth it's a shallow puddle while Karate Kata is the deepest ocean water.
LtGlenn 1 year ago
To all you fools trying to mend the broken martial arts society.
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Never teach the ignorant what's behind the curtain. An ignorant person, shall remain ignorant until death. What you teach will be warped--Ignorance is selfish and everything learned will become so; teach them how to defend themselves and they will start a fight to claim it was "self defense." Miyamoto Musashi taught this lesson in his book, "Book of Five Rings."
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Why is it that none has mastered his teachings?
ytacc0 1 year ago
Excellent, Thank You
mrthebillman 1 year ago
These guys were in Human Weapon.
eatcarpet 1 year ago
in my opinion, katas are a basic routine, used for daily practices and training;
as for the professional/experts they develop their style, and different combinations of karate to adapt to the person's needs, and their comfortablilty
(but, like what the other guys said that's my own opinion, just wanted to express my self :P)
xXBellcrossXx 1 year ago
In my opinion, katas are simply put, a combination of your kihons that lets your body practice movements, so that in a realistic situation, a well practiced karateka's body will react instantaneously out of reflex and instinct. Note: It's just my opinion!
Katzkkch1993 1 year ago
Kata not only teaches real moves but how to transition from defense to attack. The movements of the kata in a street life and death situation obviously wont be followed by the exact movements of specific a kata - they cant be predicted. However, the principles learned in the practice of kata can be translated into various situations.
This what is known as the bunkai of kata.
mceh273 1 year ago
yeahh nanquan;-) cool hahaha. for is all styles one family
CAPmusicONE 1 year ago
I love karate.. For me its the best type of martial arts
jaygwap 1 year ago
u say karate sucks, huh? well, I've bruce lee used karate most of the time in the movie.
NationChosenByGod 1 year ago
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@NationChosenByGod huh??? do you even know what you wanna say?
FoulCanal 1 year ago
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FoulCanal 1 year ago
Kata is an outdated relic of feudal Japan. Like other traditional martial arts, Karate has been replaced by modern mma styles like BJJ and Muay Thai in both sports fighting and military/police self defense. The reason is not because karate sucks, but because karate-ka's focus on pointless kata and styles which reduce time spent doing effective contact sparring and pad training. Forget kata and the excessive rhetoric and train what will work in a real fight.
freemage22 1 year ago
@freemage22 Kata is the little dictionary of martial art moves. BJJ and muay thai take lesser time to get proficient in. They are also ring sports; they have rules while okinawan karate does not. In a no rule fight i would say a karate master would win against a muay thai champion. Also did you know that inside the kata it also has grappling, joint locks, and different strikes? Ignorant people like you should have their fingers taped together so we don't have any more stupid comments like this.
iMisogynist 1 year ago
@iMisogynist I am no expert, but it seems to me that tradtional karate as shown here displays a dimension that MMA disciplines, however effective they may be, do not have. When viewing a karate kata, even disregarding the defense applications, it's not difficult for me to sense a presence of an inner power, something that transcends muscle-and-bone maneuvers. Traditional karate practice like this seems to embody more than self-defense technique alone.
Tigerpaws9097826 1 year ago
@freemage22 With mma practice you have something substandard you can use in a month. With traditional training it takes a long time to reap the rewards but you have something powerful that will keep getting better until you die. You cannot understand the old ways if you have not participated in them so you are not qualified to make the statement you are. With sanchin training after a few years you will develop striking power that will devastate an opponent with a strike that takes no energy to
hoghead89 1 year ago
@freemage22 K so if you no it all why is Lyoto Machida done so well? he came from a Traditional Karate and he uses it in his fights? also GSP came from a Traditional Karate also Bas Rutten, Chuck Liddel and before you comment on Kata well your lack of insight take note that Lyoto has used techniques used in Shotokan Karate in his fights to good effect its just that you dont understand Kata it can also be broken down and techniques founf in certain Katas can be used
mitchx69 1 year ago
@freemage22 Also Muay Thai isnt modern its just as old as Karate and BJJ techniques have been used before BJJ was created
mitchx69 1 year ago
@freemage22 I do have to agree that that there is alot of time spent on kata...training in a traditional style myself, But there is alot more to the kata then what it appears to be. MMA fighters, do know how to punch and kick, I give them that. EVERY martial arts deserves respect, For it is not the style that makes the fighter, it's the fighter that makes the style. Oh...and just so you know...Kata, in karate, comes from Okinawa, which at the time...was a separate kingdom known as Ryukyu.
WolfDruid623 9 months ago
@WolfDruid623 better comment so far
karatesensei100 8 months ago
I noticed practicing tokomeni nokon many of the movements I learned from trainning in the use of the bayonet. Im working on a bayonet Kata with tokomeni no kon as the basis.
sesankata 1 year ago
kata is what makes good technique
JDMsamuraiwarrior 1 year ago
So scary. Wow weee.
FishEaster 1 year ago
im thinking about taking Okinawan karate can any one give some info on how it works etc. Thanks ! im taking hapkido now i think i might want to try this though. So any info like on how belt tests go and how they train you etc would be halpful .. thanks ! Domo arigato gozaimashita ! if i spelled that right ... :)
CMEM1 1 year ago
What is the name of this video??
tamashii14 1 year ago
SOLDIERS, BOXERS, MARTIAL ARTISTS OF ALL KINDS, RIFLEMEN, LET US TRAIN IN WHAT MAKES US WARRIORS..... As the Navy has said, "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"... "Pain is weakness leaving the body"....
blackneos940 1 year ago
I love this art... I have nothing against other arts, including boxing.... Listen, no one Force in the Universe is ever an end-all solution... Guns can be disarmed, Karate can be beaten by Guns, if one is not fast enough, missiles can not be beaten by guns, unless hit before takeoff, or a lucky hit in mid-air... Even nukes can be disarmed relativley easy with the right training... Balance is the order of the day....
blackneos940 1 year ago
I wanted to do karate.
the REAL deal, training with full contact.
when I finally found a dojo to train at, it turned out to be another one of those which trains you to take part in competitions where rules are just plain stupid..
i actually plan to get some basic karate training and then go to okinawa to live for few years to actually experience REAL Karate.
Vadimec 1 year ago
@Vadimec I would jump on a plane to Okinawa this instant if I could, and I bet you will find some awesome Sensei there, but in case that doesn't happen, don't be discouraged. Though few and far between, there are good karate (and other traditional martial arts) instructors in the US and in most other countries. You just have to keep looking and not give up hope. It is not where the Sensei is, but who he/she is that matters.
JustusScottJr 1 year ago
why dosent he do the kata shodan or showdan??
MrSkillet23 1 year ago
The first section of this video is, Tsuguo Sakumoto preforming kata which, I believe is 'Annan' the style is Ryuei-Ryu, one of the lesser known styles of Okinawa.
mkdios122 1 year ago
There is alot of styles, of Okinawan Karate such as Goju, Kyokushin, Uechi, Shito ryu, Isshin Ryu, Okinawa te, Shotokan. They are very powerful styles, students bodies are toughend up to the point were there masters can break boards on them. The students can also break things like baseball bats with there wrists, boards with there finger tips. They are very powerful in fighting because there bodies are toughend up there weak points are the head though.
Mider999 1 year ago
i am a begginer in okinawan karate im am doing shorin ryu and i have a lot of questions i cant talk to my seise at the moment but i have a lot of questions if anyone can help please respond
okinawate1996 1 year ago
@okinawate1996 what are your question?
briancoolb123 1 year ago
@briancoolb123 well for one all my research states that shorin ryu focus on linear and direct attacks and blocks i dont really get that and are there any kind of throws in shorin ryu one last one what is the differece in shorin ryu than others i can never get a specific answer thank you
okinawate1996 1 year ago
@okinawate1996 shorin ryu has no throws.shorin ryu are similar to other okinawan karate.the only differece are in some katas.the katas have the same name but are
proform different to other styles.shorin ryu are linear and direct attacks and blocks means there are no circular movement in the style.
briancoolb123 1 year ago
@briancoolb123 thank you
okinawate1996 1 year ago
@okinawate1996 Talk to me about karate I am a Shuri Sensei.
nandansho 1 year ago
@briancoolb123 I'm sorry i am a Shuri Ryu Karate ka. the Kata Dragon Boy Dumping form is called Wansu. it has a throw in it, The last Kata had that move in it.
nandansho 1 year ago
@okinawate1996
sure, ask away.
btchkiler 1 year ago
@btchkiler actually i cannot do okinawa te anymor emom cant afford it instead im doing kung fu i can clearly see the difference and similarities i like okinawa te but it didnt have any throws i want selff defence but i liikle takin my oppenents to the ground and okinawa te was to direct i like to be able to bend the moves to make them my own i would still love to talk about it tho
okinawate1996 1 year ago
@okinawate1996 Karate is actually broken into three directions.
Their is karate-te, karate-ka, karate-do.
The first is based only on physical techniques, the second on spirit, the last on on both spirit and physical techniques together as a way of life.
btchkiler 1 year ago
@btchkiler Can you tell me where you learned this? I've never heard this before and I'm always interested to learn more.
I've always understood karate-jutsu to be technique, karate-ka to be the practioner, and karate-do as "the way of" with, as you noted, spiritual implications.
brainyscienceguy 1 year ago
@brainyscienceguy
here is part of it,
"fightingarts(dot)com/reading/article(dot)php?id=76"
a lot of the old websites i used to get my information are no longer around.
btchkiler 1 year ago
the speed! i wouldn't stand a chance
ZaphodUk1 1 year ago
thate old dude in the 1st kata has some serious body control.. cool cool
sooperfukker 1 year ago
To anyone who thinks that a kata is just a set form of movements made to practice your "form" you are badly mistaken! Just look up Bunkai and you will understand how you can place katas into real life situations.
Ufcdude747 1 year ago
I was told by the Sensei when I took this art nearly 20 years ago, that the Okinawans were forbidden by the Japanese to have, carry or practice with any weapons. So the Okinawans used what they had.
Most of which were farming tools that the Okinawans learned to use as weapons.
Is this true?
mrceebees14 1 year ago
@mrceebees14 Correct!
such weapons as Bo, tonfa, Sai, are all varitations of farming tools. currently im learning these.
Trivialbeast 1 year ago
It's fun to see how the " untouched " karate styles look a lot like kung fu compared to karate styles like Shotokan and Kyokushin ^^
IHasMonkeyable 1 year ago
I have heard Skumoto does not like Shorin Ryu styles & trash talks them, even though two of his students that trash talked were put in the hospital by a Shorin Ryu master in late 90's
ShorinRyuRonin 1 year ago
u should be relaxed when attcking or defending, being rigid like this guys u will be much more predictible
tranglomango 1 year ago
most of karate masters suffer of abdominal and flexibility problems in old age due to their stifness while practice
tranglomango 1 year ago
stiffness? how does that make sense
CarlitoJohnson 1 year ago
I meant to say that u karate kas r too rigid and than u grow old and u suffer of problems like diarrea ahahahahah
tranglomango 1 year ago
@tranglomango you're commment is kinda sad.
TheColococo 1 year ago
@TheColococo cool...karate is sad...and soo stupid ahahahahah bye
tranglomango 1 year ago
@TheColococo next time comment the video and not me just as I and normal ppl do....
tranglomango 1 year ago
its rye-te i do Okinawan
Sk8terGirlAlaina 2 years ago
so there is such thing as a red belt? awesome, im only at a 2nd brown so i wouldnt know lol
allah211 2 years ago
In some Korean styles, red belt comes before black instead of brown.
In some Japanese or Okinawan martial arts, a red belt is worn by the grandmaster of a style.
In some Chinese arts, a red sash is awarded instead of a black belt.
tampasifu 2 years ago
Tsuguo Sakumoto, an unknown school teacher from Okinawa who practiced a style of karate no one had heard of caused a sensation when he won the world kata championship with his performance of "Anan" Both Sakamoto and his style, Ryuei Ryu, have gone on to became both famous and highly regarded wherever karate is practiced.
cumanagoto 2 years ago
Real Karateka is good
nicky666 2 years ago 5
shorin ryu or goju ryu
nicky666 2 years ago
In a true kata, no motion is for show, or without reason. The old masters did not fight for show, they did not fight for fun or sport. They fought to defend their lives and to the death. There is no room for flash. The movements are there for a reason, and it is through the practice of the kata that, after months and years, a student may begin to unlock their meaning, and even discover new ones their own teachers may not have.
jdtwk123 2 years ago 33
You are so right dude.... its a shame few people understand that
YamanoRyuu 2 years ago
yup. like in basai dai, one move is devastating allthough at first it looks like nothing
allah211 2 years ago 2
@jdtwk123 If every movement has a reason...and this kata is used to defend their lives, it'll be a massive failure if applied on the streets today. It may have worked back in the old days when no one knew how to fight, but the techniques and skill of a modern day fighter, for example an MMA fighter, will beat any karate grand master with ease.
FoulCanal 1 year ago
@FoulCanal The sheer level of ignorance in that statement shows how little martial art knowledge you have. Of any kind. You have none. You have zero understanding of HOW to apply the moves in a kata. Only someone who has never studied an art could say "In the old days when no one knew how to fight". Are you serious? In the "old days" martial arts were used for killing people. Defending your village from invaders. Not playing a game in a ring with a referee like MMA.
jdtwk123 1 year ago
@jdtwk123 U sound angry. Is that what they teach u in karate?People fight to kill on the streets, so these MMA techniques are not only used to entertain but also used to kill. U cant tell me that ur grand masters havent paticipated in a ring setting with a referee involved. Dont they have kata or karate tournaments? U dont need to study kata to know that it wont work on the streets.Kata is predictable,street fightin isnt. Kata is ALL SHOW & useless today.Leave kata in the museum where it belongs
FoulCanal 1 year ago
@FoulCanal lol your lack of insight and understanding is realy shown you have no idea k so if Karate sucks why is Lyoto Machida, GSP, Chuck Liddel, Bas Rutten done so well also check styles like Kyokushin or also Dojos in Okinawa and Japan go and see how they spar they dont use gloves and dont hold punchs and most times ends up in a wrestling match go check up Fight Quest Kyokushin Karate
mitchx69 1 year ago
@mitchx69 I sense my comments have hurt your feelings Mr Miyagi. I shall retract my comments at once, so I shall be one with the earth. Please excuse my....uhh as you put it, "lack of insight and understanding"...hahaha. You guys and your comments crack me up. I LOVE IT. You guys talk so much about control, but everyone replying is showing signs of anger and or frustration. Learn to control your emotions guys. You all sound like a bunch of girls getting offended at my comments, hahaha.
FoulCanal 1 year ago
@FoulCanal That may be true, but please respect us. Karate is not about fighting, it's about finding yourself and training your body and your soul. I don't know who would win, but, sincerelly, It doesn't really matter. So please stop this.
yuffie24neddea24 1 year ago
And you look REALLY cool over there making fun of people behind your computer screne xD haha
Why don't you go get a life, that doesn't involve making fun of people online to make you feel better about your own lack of martial or spiritual skill. Thank you =D
GuamKomudo 1 year ago
@FoulCanal the only effective skills in mma have been taken from traditional martial arts. how many mma fighters are you going to run into on the streets anyway? you still have limited ways to kick and punch if you are an mma fighter, that is no different. you have an opinion here but you have not put any critical thought to it.
hoghead89 1 year ago
@hoghead89 Yes Mr Miyagi, lol
FoulCanal 1 year ago
@FoulCanal Did you not know that many of the movements you see in these kata are representative of small joint manipulations and vital strikes which are both violation of ufc rules? In other words, they are not allowed in the ring for a reason. Google ufc rules - In the ring it's just gound and pound. The first thing I do when someone takes me to the ground in REAL life is remove their eyeballs n windpipe. Guess I'd lose that bout. At least I'd be alive. Unlike the sport fighter.
tuitejitsu 1 year ago
@tuitejitsu guess what an MMA fighter would do to you if he were fighting for his life? He'd kill you. MMA fighters can remove eyes balls too mate. If there were no rules in UFC, then there would be heaps of dead guys.
If you put the best MMA fighter up against the best Karate fighter in a death match, MMA fighter will win. Stop fooling yourself man.
FoulCanal 1 year ago
@FoulCanal The problem here seems to be that yes, a 6'6" muscle bound guy trained to fight for sport can also defend himself on the street and be hard to hurt. I personally wouldn't want to fight him but think I would have a chance since I train purely in self defense... but because of this stud muffin hero worship, mma folks seem to think that smaller people who learn karate and the like can't be effective. Why is this? Do they feel threatened? Have they been hit in the head too much?
tuitejitsu 1 year ago
@FoulCanal you and your Ultimate Fighting crew who rent the paperviews talk shit like you know know something because you recognize ground armbars, rearnaked chokes etc lol, Tell me what have you studied? Anything at all? Be honest now
786myfist 9 months ago
@FoulCanal The Grand Masters, are Grand Masters for a reason...MMA...is nothing compared to a person who has made a style their life...not their lively hood. As Sun Tzu, a very wise man, once said "For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill." Grand Masters do not need a trophy to show that they are great, to prove that they can kill you with a single blow, Look into ones eyes, and you will know fear
WolfDruid623 9 months ago
@WolfDruid623 try looking into my eyes, I'll show you fear mate.
FoulCanal 9 months ago
@FoulCanal oh...good come back. I'm shaking in me boots....*shivers* the little MMA fan is going to show me what fear is....me so scared....I'm sorry, but you'll have to try better then that.
WolfDruid623 9 months ago 3
@WolfDruid623 go wax your balls daniel son, hahahahahahahahaha.
FoulCanal 9 months ago
@FoulCanal it's actually Daniel-San, not son. And now I wish to see you go through 5 straight hours of Hojo Undo :)
HairofSteel555 9 months ago
@HairofSteel555 hi how are you able to find the time to practice that long?
marcelo619619 8 months ago
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FoulCanal 9 months ago
@jdtwk123 ALso i was taught Kata cna br broken down like certian moves can be used in sparring or in combat as well
mitchx69 1 year ago
@jdtwk123 I was taught that Kata can be broken down and certian moves can be used in sparring or combat or in self defence
mitchx69 1 year ago
@jdtwk123 That's a complete load of bollox for numerous reasons. First of all you weren't there when the Katas were "invented", so you don't know if they were fighting for fun or sports. Secondly you don't see these dance moves pulled off in any fight on tape, only in your wet dreams of some mythical past that never existed. Also, what nonsense, unlocking meanings! that's hilarious, but I guess anyone who truly wants to learn how to fight wouldn't fall for your unlocking magical meaning spew.
glossandcurls 1 year ago
@glossandcurls You are more than welcome to come by our dojo in Belmont massachusetts, at your earliest convenience, to show your abilities and compare combat theory.
Your abusive language and use of words like "magical" show you have the same lack of understanding of kata application I was trying to highlight. And yes, I was not there. That is why teachings are passed down, philosophies written down. You can find many writings by the old grandmasters, as well as historical documents.
jdtwk123 1 year ago 16
@jdtwk123 And you are more than welcome to participate in any MMA event and show your fighting skills in a gentlemanly fight. To say that my language is abusive when millions of kids who wanna learn to fight go to karate and have to put up with a dance routine to apparently lol show their knowledge/skill/ability could be consider to be abusive behaviour. You guys wanna buy into a myth, you are like religious nuts who think some oriental guy took on a whole army with katas.
glossandcurls 1 year ago
@glossandcurls There goes another i presume big bulk of muscle coming here trying to justify their actions and ways. You cannot talk about something you have no understanding. Well of course you can, but you cannot presume your words having any real meaning outside your head. When you'v studied karate, philosophies, mind states and the commitment at best to god and all that is true in you and outside of it. Then you might grasp something and evolve a bit.
aaltoiz 1 year ago
@glossandcurls No harm done, but for everyone to continue with their development with full concentration you might want to continue wathcing that MMA. Or is it that you crave to bring some inner qualities to your fighting without knowing it conciously yet? Whatever you do don't judge, that already shows your lack of true masterhood. True master of any profession never judges an apprentice of another. For for a true masterhood you need understanding of life as a whole to work accurately in it.
aaltoiz 1 year ago
Every Kata is a complete fighting system. Every movement has many applications, and the performing of a kata is not a fight with an imagined opponent, in literal. Every motion should be considered in the context of various opponents, such as "how might this be used when attacked like...?" but the kata as a whole is not a mimed fight scene. It is to lead you to applicaiton through study of the movements. Every movement is a zen puzzle, with many solutions, with practice you begin to see them.
jdtwk123 2 years ago 25
@jdtwk123 of course you have to have a way of training it or using/applying it in atleast a sparring situation. now a days people just put on gloves and jump back and forth trying to tag each other. to me it doesn't look like it would be effective at all in a REAL situation. I'm not trying to degrade the art or anything I'm just saying people don't train realistically (only for sport) anymore and because of that the art is diminishing
YoungCrs 1 year ago
@YoungCrs I would agree with your assessment of how the majority of people train nowadays, and how that impacts the arts. Kata has to be trained, but also understood as to how you FLOW with and respond with it. Understanding how it gets used in a real situation. Its just like learning a language. If you only know 10 sentences, your going to get questions you can't answer. You need to understand the grammar before you can effectively use the words.
jdtwk123 1 year ago
@jdtwk123 its funny you use the sentence analogy because I train in Wing Chun and we use the same. The forms are the letters. Through drill training we learn to use these letters to make words. As we advance we learn to construct sentences. And as we continue to master the art we learn to make poems, flow with ease.
YoungCrs 1 year ago
@jdtwk123 I like your comment. I have done Kung Fu and Isshing Ryu. I like the Isshin Ryu much better because it has no unnecessary movements and does not try to make the body bend into weird stances. People that have not trained for several years do not understand that benchpressing 300 pounds will not improve your punch very much, but sanshin training will make your punch unbelievable. I love the traditional training methods. To me Karate is not a sport. Most humbly, thank You.
hoghead89 1 year ago
@jdtwk123 That's true. I've been practicing shotokan-karate for 9 years and now I'm beginning to understand what the katas mean... It's so wonderful! It's like an ancient puzzle you have been trying to solve and with time, a long time, you finally start to solve it...
By the way, sorry about my English... ;)
yuffie24neddea24 1 year ago
@yuffie24neddea24 It is good you are learning how to understand, rather than simply memorizing motions. It will pay off in many ways as you train. Frankly I need to increase my own training. I've been very busy lately!
Your english is fine, by the way :). Katas are a language in motion. That is good, because anyone anywhere can learn them!
jdtwk123 1 year ago
i know this style, its goju ryu
integra0guy 2 years ago
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karate sucks!! it isnt designed to tackle an opponent who is pelting stones at you from a distance or worse he has a gun;)
dheemanth 2 years ago
And how do you know Karate sucks? my friend
80KungFu 2 years ago
fuck you.
shimy01 2 years ago
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karate sucks!!! there is nothing you can do when your opponent is pelting stones at you.
dheemanth 2 years ago
fuck you!
shimy01 2 years ago
What did the atmosphere ever do to him.
Robopencil 2 years ago 2
In okinawan karate we do not use the term "forms". We practice "kata". The scope of attempting to explain kata is much to large for this limited format. When learned well you will find that kata has infinite bunkai and is used in a state of mind like water with eyes like moon as you travel to your destination you adapt and overcome obstacles in the path.
drmark10 2 years ago
these katas look so much better than kyokushin katas... -.-
BadBlueBoy213 2 years ago
@BadBlueBoy213 most styles have the same katas and they vary only slightly depending on the view of the creator.wado katas contain mostly head level blocks,shito contains mostly body level blocks.
zatoichi12345 1 year ago
4:16 Totally not gay...
edmanrapperu 2 years ago
cool i remember doing that bo kata! it was so much fun but i forgot how to do ti cause i havn't had time to practice it...=(
ibeatallboyz 2 years ago
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Karate sucks.Aikido is the best!!
bagur10 2 years ago
Cada Arte tiene sus propias virtudes, primero que nada es el respeto.
Novum07 2 years ago
lol whatever man.. I studied this style for 7 years and is absolutely USELESS for fighting. anyone who says different were fighting CANS or are a legend in their own mind
MaelMan82 2 years ago
I guess you have no potential for fighting then, thats a tough pill to swallow man, guess you got your ass kicked huh?
786myfist 2 years ago
if u studied this style for 7 years but yet you said its useless then why did you stay in it for 7 years? wouldnt that make you stupid?? that could be the problem lol but on a serious note you sound like one of those people who say you studied something for X amount of years for X amount of time just to make your self sound creditable but in reality you probably never studied that style and if you did probably not for very long. come on now it took you 7 years to realize it was useless? ROFL
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
after a lifetime of training these masters now in ther late sixties or in their seventys ranked 10th dan are encyclopedias of wisdom and knowledge, they are not young and atheletic as they were in there youth. to the critics of these masters, i hope you can still move when you become their age--- if you live long enough
magentov 2 years ago
trust me .bruce lee and oyama did kata !
and you know if they did not do kata they would not be so good at fight!
so trust me they did kata! every good fighter do kata! you know i am at competiton alot! i competiton my self! and i see those guys how don't do kata,only fighting(kumite) they are SO BAD fighers ! they have NO tecknick they just swinging there arms ! so KATA is soul
gojukaininjutsu 2 years ago
I've practiced Bajiquan for nearly 4 years, and what I've discovered:
1. Stance training= Develops stableness and a body position that is efficient to have as a habit
2. Kata training= You develop body movement, breathing and power spesific to the style.
3. Applications= After practicing different applications on a partner, you'll start to gain an ability of doing effective techniques instinctly.
Scalier 2 years ago
yup, that's what most people don't understand. Heavy stance training and emphasis on kata is just as important as all the shadowboxing and application they do. Alot of people think kata is silly because it's "not applicable to a fight". Little do they know that is one of the most applicable parts of all :)
bloodriotiori 2 years ago
And also to add, its very good for stress relief...let me see anyone who is stressed or pissed endure shime...they wont be anymore...
brasshandmartialarts 2 years ago
indeed. I'm so tired after a hard session of kata and i'm too exhausted to be stressed anymore xD
bloodriotiori 2 years ago
bruce cricqized forms and stop doing it, he beleived it was useless and out dated....so no he didnt do forms after he founded his jeet kune do(concepts not a style) but mas oyama, yea he did kata and its a part of his system. and im a traditionalist and forms is a great way to practise basics, form endurance leg power and balance ect ect..boxers and mma wrestling all do some form of shadow boxing. its good as long as its not the only thing your doing
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
youre one hundred percent right, ive just recently been to okinawa, i trained at the jundokan, there is a lot of difference between the way westerners portray the practice of karatedo, and what is going on, firstly it has been said that you need permission from your sensei and a written letter to train in such a respected traditional dojo, nothing could be further from the truth, i emailed them before going, they welcomed my request, i trained there for two weeks. had a great time.
singhakabuttar 2 years ago