Jewish law boosts Palestinian farmers - 13 Oct 07

[elkrich]

this is fucking bullshit oh we took ur land but u get to get suprvised by us this a fucking joke kill the mother fucking jews

[NachumJew]

I think you're confused. There are no curfews or harassments within Israel proper. The curfews are in the occuppied territories only, for security purposes. Who "owned" Palestine at the time of the Balfour Declaration? There was never, ever, EVER a Palestininian government.

[NachumJew]

The Zionists wanted a homeland within Palestine, but were not seeking to occupy the West Bank, Gaza or East Jerusalem. The Arabs within Israel were granted and still have full political rights.

[NachumJew]

Huh??? The Balfour declaration states as follows: "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".

[shinada]

so who is oppressed here? the history is repeating itself isnt it? Nazis? extermination? the methods might be different but the intention is the same. so shityy...

[shinada]

watch?v=vK2xKURltqE

and this one. its obvious to me that the activist are stoned and harrased by the settler's kids. you can also obviously see and hear that the israeli soldiers dont even care with what the "innocent kids" are doing.

[shinada]

also explain to me. what are the jew settlers doing in the land which has been given to the palestinian by the so called "UN 1947 partition". for example, look at these videos.

watch?v=kem1ajIKv1k&NR=1

[ziber22]

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[lighthammar]

so i guess Israel isn't going to bomb Palistine for a while-at least until they can grow their own crops again

[hkoppel]

Ha, I think they'll just confiscate what Palestinians will produce:D

[1130aamir]

it really dispoints me to see such petty back biting between muslims and jews. What ever may have happened in the past is past, and now we must all look to the future where us the new generation may be able to mend problems and work together. All religons, whether your Muslim, Jewish, Christian promote peace, and lets all do just that!

PEACE OUT!

[ziber22]

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[mbassan]

The West Bank and Jordan were lost by Jordan and Egypt respectively after they attacked Israel. They then refused to take their land back. What the hell is Israel supposed to do with that when the Palestinians refuse to govern themselves and rely on the "Zionist entity" for their lives? It is people like '

jklasdfjdfksl' who are the problem, because they insist that Palestinians, and Arabs in general, are not capable of dealing with the consequences of their actions. THAT is truly racist.

[mbassan]

jklasdfjdfksl:

Yes, we have heard of "self-determination". That is what Israel has excercized for the Jews after 2000 years of eating your shit.

Don't speak to me of UN resolutions. The FIRST resolution, which created Israel was violated by all the surrounding Arab countries on the FIRST DAY, and all the problems have stemmed from that.

[mbassan]

To the Jew-Haters:

Do you really think that millions of people seperated by thousands of kilometers and dozens of languages would really sacrifice so much to go to a Near Eastern backwater with no natural resources because of "propaganda"?

Over half the Jews in Israel are refugees from Muslim countries, including my parents (Halab, Syria).

[whitemagick4]

Some people here have some serious issues with their knowledge AND their mental health. Please open some unbiased historical and scientific books and learn something. Stop reading your propagandistic fliers

[screwrepubs]

if you think jews were the only people living in Palestine and when they left their were no inhabitants at all...it is you who is ignorant.

[flyingbird0214]

They didn't just happen to leave. They were expelled from their lands. However, there was always a Jews presence in Judea/Palestine.

[shinada]

Who expelled them? and why???? and when?? you have to ask yourself those questions! they used to be expelled and almost exterminated but now they are doing the exact same thing that had been done to them!

[shinada]

Who expelled them? and why???? and when?? you have to ask yourself those questions! they used to be expelled and almost exterminated but now they are doing the exact same thing that had been done to them!

[AcePilot101]

Shinada is incorrect. The Jewish temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 78 A.D., far less than 3,000 years ago. Apparently she sympathizes with the racist, genocidal campaigns of the Nazi regime so any further dialogue with her is futile..

[shinada]

hahaha...fu*k you, acepilot! if it's my country, I have the right to demolish any building that I want to demolish for proper planning. what does that has to do with anything? I just dont understand..How can you a jew be so heartless demolishing other people's home and shoot them! Thats so inhuman!

[shinada]

Heyyyy! In my opinion Nazi did the right thing! Can u imagine if Nazi exterminated all of you, there wont be any conflict in palestine today! Also, you should be thankful to hitler..if not you wont have the so called "Holy" holocaust day to celebrate and remember as a day to raise simpathy from the world!

[flyingbird0214]

The Nazi killed the group that has produced more Nobel prizes than any other. They created scientific advancement that benefited all humanity. The other group, the one you defend, give their children away to terrorism. The Nazis killed people with a culture of life, because they knew life is important, while letting your kind, the culture of dead and ignorance, alive. That's why it was a crime against humanity.

[shinada]

The jews are not the only group who have contributed to the advancement of science and technology. There are a lot other contributions made by other groups since ages ago! It's a crime against humanity to deprive others of their right to have homes, education and freedom! Terrorism is the result of those basic human rights abused!!

[NachumJew]

You don't really mean that do you? The Nazis murdered little children and babies. Do you hate little children and babies?

[shinada]

What make the Nazis different from those Zionist who shoot kids in the head while playing soccer at their backyard? What about the massacre of a palestinian family who were pinicking at the Gaza beach not so long ago. "Among those killed on the beach were three children, including an infant, a three-year-old and a 10-year-old, who were at a family picnic, witnesses said." source: theage (australian newspaper)

[NachumJew]

Supposing there's no difference. Then they're BOTH wrong for killing children and babies. How can you be happy that any children and babies were murderred?

[shinada]

I'm not happy with children, old and young being the victims. Thats why I'm objecting the Zionist in the first place. They are repeating the same thing the Nazi did to them!

[NachumJew]

You stated: "In my opinion Nazi did the right thing." And "Hey Hitler was right!" Do you really mean that? Or were you just acting?

[shinada]

It's called "sarcasm" if you still dont get it:) It's not an acting but more to a reality comparison of whats happening in palestine today. After all we are all human. If you dont like what the Nazis did to you so does everyone else.

[NachumJew]

I'm glad you don't like what the Nazis did. There is no comparison between the Israelis and the Nazis. The Nazis rounded up and killed millions of civilians who were no threat to them. The Israelis are fighting an armed conflict against an armed enemy.

[shinada]

lol...those palestinian dont even have army. Are those kids armed with rocks you called army? It's not even a war. It's army against the civilian.

[NachumJew]

Palestinians use guns, bombs and rockets. Israel tries to stop them. Sometimes civilians get killed. Stone throwers get killed occasionally, but Israeli policy is to avoid such confrontations when possible. Is this in any way comparable to the Nazis, who rounded up and killed men women and children?

[shinada]

I'm watching a movie now. Will get back to you later:) Give a better argument.

[shinada]

they were brutally shoot and their body parts were scattered! told ya. they are doing exactly the same thing what the Nazi did to them. Hey Hitler was right!

[NachumJew]

The difference is that the Israelis are fighting armed people bent on killing Israelis. Sometimes cvillians get hurt or killed in the process, usually becuase the Palestinin fighters use them as human shields. But that's not the same as TARGETTING children and babies. If you can't see the difference between the two then you are morally tone deaf.

[shinada]

ohoo...The palestinan families were one hell enjoying their break in the beach! There were no fighting what so ever between the fighters or using them as a shield. Now how do you want to justify that?

[NachumJew]

The incident at the beach was a very sad mistake. The Israelis do not target civilians, like the Nazis did to the Jews. It's okay to criticize Israel's methods of defending itself, but to compare them to Nazis is inaccurate, dishonest and hateful.

[shinada]

If the same mistake happened again and again we called it intentional. A child shot accurately in the head by an Israeli sniper. Is that a mistake?

[NachumJew]

I don't know the specific case you're talking about. But you're changing the subject. Of COURSE civilians get hurt and killed during times of war. But it isn't Israeli POLICY to harm civilians. Sometimes soldiers might get out of control, but they are usually punished.

[shinada]

"Children have been shot in other conflicts I have covered--death squads gunned them down in El Salvador and Guatemala, mothers with infants were lined up and massacred in Algeria, and Serb snipers put children in their sights...in Sarajevo--but I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport," Hedges wrote.

[NachumJew]

I haven't read the article. But if it's saying that Israel has a policy of killing civillians then its a lie. There have been hundreds if not thousands of reporters in Gaza. I have never heard any of them claim that Israeli soldiers kill civilians unprovoked.

[shinada]

It's depend on what news you are reading. "FAUX" news which is known as the #1 pro-Israeli and pro-Bush? I'm not surprised now. And dont lie to me too, there have never been thousands of reporters in Gaza.lol..only if its real. "your reporters" just stay in the 5 stars hotel in tel aviv.

[NachumJew]

You made the assertion that Israelis kill Palestinian civillians on a regular basis. (You even compared them to the Nazis!) What news are you reading that would back up that claim?

[shinada]

I read amnesty international website. I also read other international human rights website.I watch youtube videos which provide the real account of the palestinian life in daily basis from volunteers who had been there. :)

[NachumJew]

I have read these reports as well. Millions of people have perished within the last two decades as a result of civil wars, repression, racial and social persecution, and tribal conflicts, from Cambodia to much of Africa. More than 2 billion people live in repressive dictatorships, but there is persecution too in countries that are free or partly free.

[NachumJew]

National and religious minority groups have been systematically persecuted, abused, raped, burned, shot, etc. from Indonesia, Pakistan and Bangladesh to Central Asia and beyond. It would be difficult to think of countries outside Europe and North America that have been entirely fee of such suffering; even Europe has had such incidents on a massive scale, as in the Balkans.

[NachumJew]

Why don't I hear any protests regarding the fate of the Dalets (Untouchables) in India even though there are 100 million of them, or the Uigher in China, the Copts in Egypt, or the Bahai in Iran (to name just a VERY few).

[shinada]

You see. You can easily find it online. Still wondering why I hated Zionist so much? :)

[NachumJew]

According to the peace researchers, 25 million people were killed in internal conflicts since WWII. Of them, 8,000 in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which ranks 46th in the list of victims. But Israel has been more often condemned by the UN and other int'l organizations than all other nations TAKEN TOGETHER.

[NachumJew]

I have a hard time believing that you single out alleged Zionist misdeeds because Israeli injustice has been on a more massive scale. I'm not saying that any mistreatment of Palestinians should be ignored because "everybody does it". But I am saying that your hatred of Israel seems to be more than a mere concern for human rights.

[shinada]

I'm not singling out anybody but my comment has to be related with this video. Palestinian have been suffering since more than 50 years ago and its because of the zionist. How long should we wait? One generation of human being has been living in suffering for his entire life...

[NachumJew]

I hear you. The Palestinian situation is a problem, brought on by the Palestinians, other Arab and Muslim countiries, and, yes, Israel. But wouldn't it be better to address this problem in rational tones, rather than comparing Israelis to the Nazis, or claiming falesly that Israel systematicaly killes Palestinian civillians.

[shinada]

oh yea...why not..but the problem is its never a false claim.

[shinada]

oh..one question though...how do the palestinian brought this problem to themselves when actually they are the victims?

[NachumJew]

The Palestinian Nakba was a direct result of the refusal of the Palestinian and Arab leadership to accept the two state solution offered by the United Nations in 1947-48. The UN divided what remained of Palestine, after Trans-Jordan was carved out of it, into two states of roughly equal size (The Israelis got slightly more actual land, but the Palestinians got considerably more arable land).

[NachumJew]

Israel would control territories in which Jews were a majority, while the Palestinians would control territories in which Arabs were a majority. Israel accepted the partition and declared statehood. Palestinians rejected statehood and attacked Israel with the help of all the surrounding Arab countries. In the process of defending their new state, Israel lost 1% of its population (1 out of every 100 Israelis were killed.)

[NachumJew]

In the ensuing war- a war declared to be genocidal by Israel's enemies- 700,000 Palestinians left their homes, some voluntarily, some at the urging of Palestinian leaders and some forced out by the Israeli military. None of these people would have had to leave Israel had the Palestinians and other Arabs been willing to accept the two state solution. It was indeed a catastrophe for all sides, but the catastrophe was caused by the Palestinians and Arabs.

[NachumJew]

In the aftermath of the war, Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip. There were no United Nations condemnations of these occupations though they were brutal and denied the Palestinians autonomy and sovereignty. Only when Israel occupied these lands, following a defensive war against Egypt and Jordan, did the occupation become a source of international concern.

[NachumJew]

the Palestinian leadership, supported by the Palestinian masses, played a significant role in Hitler's Holocaust. The Palestinian leader at the time was Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufit of Jerusalem. Hajj Amin al-Husseini represented the Palestinian Arab national consensus, had the backing of the Palestinian political parties that functioned in Palestine, and was recognized in some form by Arab governments as the voice of the Palestinian people.

[NachumJew]

Shortly after Hitler came to power, the Grand Mufti decided to emulate him. He informed the German consul in Jerusalem that "the Muslims inside and outside Palestine welcome the new regime of Germany and hope for the extension of the fascist anti-democratic, governmental system to other countries." In an effort to bring it to his own country, Husseini organized the "Nazi Scouts," based on the "Hitler Youth." The swastika became a welcome symbol among many Palestinians.

[NachumJew]

The mid to late 1930s were marked by Arab efforts to curtail immigration and Jewish efforts to rescue as many Jews as possible from Hitler's Europe. These years were also marked by escalating Muslim violence orchestrated by Husseini and other Muslim leaders. In 1936, Arab terrorism took on a new dimension. In the beginning the targets were once again defenseless Jewish civilians in hospitals, movie theatres, homes and stores.

[NachumJew]

This was followed by strikes and shop closures, and then by the bombing of British offices. The Nazi regime in Germany and the Italian fascists supported the violence, sending "millions" to the Mufti. The SS, under the leadership of Heinrich Himmler, provided both financial and logistical support for anti-Semitic pogroms in Palestine. Adolf Eichmann visited Husseini in Palestine and subsequently maintained regular contact with him.

[NachumJew]

Husseini wrote in his memoirs: "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: "The Jews are yours."

[NachumJew]

The Mufti was planning to return to Palestine in the event of a German victory and construct a death camp modeled after Auschwitz near Nablus. Husseini incited his pro-Nazi followers with the words "Arise, o sons of Arabia. Fight for your sacred rights. Slaughter Jews wherever you find them. Their spilled blood pleases Allah, our history and religion. That will save our honor."

[NachumJew]

In 1944, a German-Arab commando unit, under Husseini's command, parachuted into Palestine and poisoned Tel Aviv's wells.

[shinada]

woww...so much stuffs to digest here:) a person must be stupid enough to give her sovereign land to another people i guess. maybe thats why the jews thought that the palestinian would be so stupid to give their land easily with the "partition" idea. oh another thing. have u heard abt credibility? put reference in your text citation. then i will be back with you. got a lof of stuffs on my desk:)

[NachumJew]

The Arabs living in Palestine were not "sovereign" in the sense that there was never a Palestinian government. Before 1948 it was the run by the British, and before that the Turks. After 1948 the West Bank was ruled by Jordan and Gaza was ruled by Egypt. The Arabs started demanding sovereignty only after Israel came into being. The Arabs could not care less about the Palestinians. They just feel humiliated that the Jews have sovereignty in a (TINY) part of the middle east.

[NachumJew]

Just Google Hajj Amin Al-Husseini and Hitler.

Recent Nazi documents uncovered in the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Military Archive Service in Freiburg by two researchers, Klaus Michael Mallmann from Stuttgart University and Martin Cüppers from the University of Ludwigsburg, indicated that in the event of the British being defeated in Egypt the Nazis had planned to deploy a special unit to exterminate Palestinian Jews.

[NachumJew]

In their book the researchers concluded that, "the most important collaborator with the Nazis and an absolute Arab anti-Semite was Haj Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem." According to the German researchers Husayni was a prime example of how Arabs and Nazis became friends out of a hatred of Jews. Al-Husayni had met several times with Adolf Eichmann.

[NachumJew]

I didn't make this stuff up. My point is NOT that the Israelis have every right to do with the Palestinians as the Israelis wish. My point is that this situation is presented (especially on youtube) as very one sided against Israel, when in fact the opposite is true.

[shinada]

What is the opposite? tell me. and do you realize that you mentioned Palestine was a sovereign land in your previous comment? You are contradicting yourself. I'm a busy student. Would love to have face to face talk with you. Would glad also if you provide the link to your sources. Then I can check the crebility of them. It's obvious to me that the palestinian are oppresed since more than 50 years ago. Volunteers wont go there and bring a lot of tapes as proof if there werent oprression.

[NachumJew]

The problems of the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank are mostly the fault of the Palestinian and other Arab country's leadership. Israel will continue to exist. How the Arabs will deal with that fact will determine the lifestyle of the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza.

[shinada]

it might be their fault but you have to look at how this problem existed in the first place. It's all because of the formation of the jewish state by displacing million of palestinian since 60 years ago. they have been displaced from where they had been living for more than thousand of years.

[NachumJew]

Not one Arab was displaced by the formation of the Jewish state. All Arabs within Israeli territory became Israeli citizens (if they so chose), with full rights. When the Arabs attacked Israel (killing 1% of Israel's population) Arabs became displaced. Stop blaming Israel for Arab actions.

[shinada]

lol...you know wht..past is past..but we cant let the current situation continue..now what do you have to say abt the video i show you below? :)

[NachumJew]

Israel fights terrorists on a daily basis. Do soldiers sometimes overstep? Perhaps. But so would anybody dealing with terrorism. I would venture to state that any other country would deal with this daily terror threat in a much harsher manner than does Israel.

[shinada]

lol..Who breed the terrorists? Its all because of the oppression that Israelis have been doing to the palestinian.

[NachumJew]

Fact: The Arabs attacked Israel before Israel oppressed anybody. In fact, they massacarred Jews in Palestine in the 1920s and 1930s before Israel existed. This has nothing to do with oppression and everything to do with not wanting the State of Israel to exist.

[shinada]

Those facts even if they were accurate, doesnt mean the palestinian deserved the 60 years oppression.

[NachumJew]

The oppression of the Palestinians is a terrible thing. But stop blaming Israel. I'm going to sleep now. Good night.

[shinada]

lol...Its Israelis who oppressed the palestinian.. i need to study too..

[shinada]

Shalom Jew!! Stop the oppression and give back their land!!!

[NachumJew]

Separation barriers and checkpoints are necessary for Israel's security. Without them, should Israel leave the West Bank and give the Arabs free access to Israel many innocent people would die from terrorist attacks in Israel. Israel apparently believes that it is better to oppress than be killed. This sucks for Palestinians, but they will continue to suffer as long as Israel has the need to defend itself.

[shinada]

At last, you admitted that Israelis are the opressor:) The entire palestinian society is the victims of the oppresion. Not only one individual but also mother, father, young kids and elder. Where is your argument abt babies and little one before? Spit it out back? You disgust me.

[NachumJew]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "the oppressor". 1920s - 1967 Palestinians and other Arabs commit acts of violence against Israel. In 1967 Israel was thus forced to occupy Palestinian territory. Israel offers to end the occupation if the violence stops. Palestinians continue the violence. Palestinian leadership does nothing to stop this. Israel is forced to do the job. If the Palestinian leadership would do the job Israel would be very happy. What would YOU suggest Israel do?

[shinada]

Simple! All the settlers should move their ass out from the palestinian territory as specified in the 1947 UN resolution. Which also mean, give back the land according to the resolution boundary. Thats the first step. You should also realize that as long as there are oppression the violence wont stop. One man freedom is one man fighter. Cant believe that you are an "attorney":)

[NachumJew]

The Arab violence, which began pre 1967, was NOT a result of oppression. Recently Israel offered the Palestinians a capital in Jerusalem, 100% of Gaza and 95% of the West Bank (making up the remaining 5% with land from Sinai). The Palestinians turned it down. Israel moved out of Gaza and the Palestinians continue firing rockets from there. Israel moved out of Lebanon and Hizbullah continues its aggression. Based on this record, you believe that the Arabs have any interest in peace???

[shinada]

From what I have seen on the videos that I attached below, the settlements are still in the Palestinian territory. As well as the israelis soldiers. The palestinian are harrased on the daily basis. Also the demolishing of homes and farms. What about the recent cut off of electricity? Its a collective punishment. Dont you realize what you said before? Israelis are the oppressor.

[NachumJew]

Israel has no choice but to protect itself against daily Arab aggression. Israel MUST set up checkpoints, security barriers, etc. The Palestinians are harassed by this, but they would not if they would control their own terrorists. Israel has no interest in cutting off electricity. Israel evacuated Gaza and Palestinians continuously shoot rockets from there. How do YOU propose Israel react?

[shinada]

I told you already. I dont think Israel is really interested in peace talk. The settlements are still in the palestinian territory. Move their ass out first.

[shinada]

And should I remind you that you produce the terrorist yourself. 60 years of oppression. Losing parents, brother and sisters. Intentional killing at the beach is one of many examples. Kids as a human shield? Thats inhuman. Also another thing. Freedom is the basic fundamental of human right. You take it away, for sure there would be a reaction.

[NachumJew]

You keep stating that Palestinian violence is a result of Israeli oppression, but you ignore the fact that the Arab violence started BEFORE Israeli occupation in 1967. In fact, Israel was forced to occupy Palestinian territory BECAUSE OF Arab aggression. Israel no longer occupies Gaza, but the Gazans keep firing rockets at Israel. If the Palestinians crack down on their terrorists they will be able to work out a deal with Israel and the Palestinians will have a better life.

[shinada]

Where would you put your argument about little kids before? where is your compassion? why your mind changed after admitting that the Israelis ARE the oppresor? "FORCE"??? thats just not the right word.. why would the palestinian firing rockets into Israel if today's violence is the result of fighting 60 years ago??

[NachumJew]

I have compassion for innocent Palestinians, but Israel, like any country, must llok out for its own citizens. Hamas (with popular Palestinian support) and other Palestinian leaders do not wish Israel to exist, period, and it has nothing to do with oppression. All parties involved (including the Saudis) have stated that if the Palestinian leadership wanted peace, an agreement would have been reached at Camp David with Clinton, Barak and Arafat.

[shinada]

You have to consider what was being discussed and how were they being discussed at Camp David. Both sides came up with different figures and statistics regarding the number of displaced palestinian. Do you remember that u said not a single palestinian was displaced when the jews came in to the land? You are busted again.

[NachumJew]

I'm not busted because I never stated that. I stated as follows: "In 1948 700,000 Palestinians left their homes, some voluntarily, some at the urging of Palestinian leaders and some forced out by the Israeli military. None of these people would have had to leave Israel had the Palestinians and other Arabs been willing to accept the two state solution. It was indeed a catastrophe for all sides, but the catastrophe was caused by the Palestinians and Arabs."

[NachumJew]

"What was being discussed and how were they being discussed at Camp David"???

The Palestinians were offered 95% of the West Bank (with the remaining 5% being made up from the Sinai) all of East Jerusalem including the Temple Mount. The Palestinians rejected this offer WITHOUT ANY COUNTERDEMANDS. The Palestinians so far have shown no interest in a political solution. Stop blaming Israel.

[shinada]

How can i stop blaming israel looking at the situation of the palestianian who have to be harassed everyday by the settlers and the soldiers?? The palestinian wont give you jews the land because it was them who lived there for more than 3000 years before you forced them out! Its ultimately YOU who brought the problem.

[shinada]

You stealed the land from them and then asking for partition?? My ass.

[NachumJew]

So we've gotten some honesty here. The root of the problem is not "oppression" or "occupation". The problem is Israel's very EXISTENCE, and the Arabs' refusal to let them. But sorry, Israel WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST AND ARAB TANTRUMS WILL NOT CHANGE THIS. KICK AND SCREAM ALL YOU WANT.

[NachumJew]

"The palestinian wont give you jews the land because it was them who lived there for more than 3000 years before you forced them out!" Actually, under the 1947 UN partition the portion allotted to the Jews was majority Jewish, and the Arabs within that portion had (and still have) full citizenship.

[NachumJew]

The problems started when the ARABS started the war in 1948, which war had nothing to do with Israel stealing land and everything to do with the Arab feelings of humiliation by the fact of a Jewish country in the Middle East.

[NachumJew]

I'm not sure what you mean by "sovereign land." When the UN partitioned Palestine in 1947, there was and had never been a Palestinian government. The partition in 1947 awarded a bit over half of Palestine to the Jews for the creation of Israel; that portion was majority Jewish; the other half went to the Arabs for the purpose of creating a country of Palestine. The Jews acepted partition and started a country. The Arabs rejected it, started a war with Israel, and got screwed.

[shinada]

You wouldnt be stupid enough to agree if an "outsider" asked your family to leave a place where generations had been living for thousand of years. It should be the local decision. We know that the partition was UNFAIR for the palestinian especially when the UN itself was controlled by the jews. Its the same as the 9/11. Everyone knows its the inside job and who's the mastermind.Even today the partition is being ignored by the Israelis. Its not the same boundary as then.

[NachumJew]

You live in a bubble. "Everyone" does not believe that the UN was controlled by Jews, nor that 9/11 was done by anyone other than Islamist extremists. You sound like one of those paranoid conspiracy theorists. Not "everyone," just some paranoid conspiracy theorists believe these speculations.

[shinada]

lol...i have seen the evidences and i have the right to believe what i beleive on.

[NachumJew]

I never stated that you don't have a right to believe what you want. But questions of who masterminded 9/11 is nothing but pure speculation.

[shinada]

then tell me what makes wtc 7 collapse? how do you want to explain the free fall motion of both WTC buildings?

[NachumJew]

Do you doubt that Islamist Extremists flew airplanes into the World Trade Center? There were many eyewitnesses, and cockpit recordings. I do not know anything about wtc 7. I understand that Popular Mechanics did an article on this. But doesn't it seem like a bit of a stretch to fly FOUR airplanes into buildings in NY and Washington for the sole purpose of covering up an explosion? I would just blow up that building and claim it was done by terrorists.

[shinada]

It would become into question also on how did the terrorist plant the bombs so succesfully in the buildings and make it looks like a control demolition.

[shinada]

everyone has become paranoid since 9/11. the proof, Iraq war and Bush:)

[NachumJew]

BTW, what is it that you want sources for? The fact (not speculation) that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem allied himself with Hitler and helped exterminate Jews in Europe? These are known facts. See watch?v=d51poygEXYU

[NachumJew]

If you want sources documenting that the Palestinian leadership sided with and shared the goals of the Nazis in the extermination of the Jews, start by looking in Wikepidia. The articles there have many many sources. Nothing I have stated about the history of the Palestinians and Palestine is controverted or controversial. Everyone agrees with all of these facts.

[shinada]

lol...who is everyone??? even wikipedia can be written by everyone. give me something more credible and would be better to provide me the links.

[shinada]

It amazed me that you "read" so much about those human rights abuse but..dont you learn anything from it? Thats why we have to end the repression of the Palestinian by the Zionist government.

[shinada]

His account, coolly factual yet full of passionate intensity, was written not for his own paper but for Harper's Magazine, which sent Hedges to Gaza on his vacation." The Nation, March 11, 2002 (revisionisthistory dot org website)

[shinada]

Maybe you are right. The zionist are much worst then the Nazis. People dont just simply hate you. People hate you because of your act, your hateful and racist attitude. What do you expect? Life is mutual.

[NachumJew]

This is ironic. Don't you realize that it's YOU who are espousing a racist point of view?

[shinada]

nope.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

why should we compare the mixtures that have happened over 3,000 years? this in no way can justify illegal land grabs and war expansionism in the year 2007. the hebrews were not the original inhabitants of palistine, they only secured the territory through bloody conflict against the caananites. also, just as there are still some traces of semetic blood in european jews, traces of the original inhabitants of canaan can be found in the palestinians.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

ever heard of "self-determination". there is no issue of a nation having to break into seperate states, only an issue of a nation trying to exapnd beyond its legal borders and grab land that does not belong to them. this is not about the Saudis, only israel; which is legally required to withdraw to pre-67 lands. the palestinians have continually offered peace for nothing more than what is their legal right and have continually been rejected by US/israel diplomatic efforts.

[jklasdfjdfksl]

the fact of the matter is that people should not have to rely on "gold cups" or the "generosity" of israel. without an occupying and oppressive power expanding over their sovereign land, palestinians would be able to move towards self-sufficiency.

[crazycatfguy]

How is it possible to be so uniformed in the information age? Israel is committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing in Palestine and if they can't figure out why that pisses Arabs off then they lack the critical thinking skills needed to lead a nation.

[shinada]

It's never Jewish's "homeland" until the jews came there and kicked out the palestinian who had been settling there for more than 3000 years with force. Utterly ridiculous! Hitler did the right thing except it wasnt efficient enough!

[balikci035]

bravo helal sana..  [turk]

[Zeke7878]

Cool Story!

[Kowneyn]

Fallow

Land ploughed and tilled, but left unsown for a season to allow it to recuperate.

so they giving break their own farms for their own benefit -and they make it like they doing it for Palestians.

[koch46]

the jews will just take the arabs farms

[Lungyao1]

Thats really whats ging to happen.

[Gihaal]

Hopefully Palestinian extremists and Jewish leaders can stop this crap and begin to make negotiations.

[xadious2]

Trading with nations is one of the best ways to improve relations amongst leaders. Don't know how effective it will be in a place where there is no peace yet, but the financial benefits will surely help.

[hajqbvii]

I agree that trading with each other might lessen the hostilities. Economics is one of the reasons for war! Sure hope this works to bring up the West Banks economics!