Growing The Beast #1: SSF4 AE 2012 - Prologue

[4evil2me]

to the Bison ultra... Neutral jump, don't press anything in the air and when you land, do a damagin combo. Bison is pretty fucking hard to fight to be honest, you just feel like he will scissor kick or ex psycho crush you ANY time.

[mkooij]

renic, with cody you can just end any blockstring with lpCriminalUpper. its safe on block and its very bad to spend 2 meter on it like you did in 5:32 (even though it hit there). also on bisons scissor kicks, there is nothing you can do but jump back, reset the situation, maybe even make him come to you so he loses charge and play the footsie game again

[ZUNECARDSTV]

Best option is to Just neutral jump Bison U2. Why risk it.

[Shaleblade]

Are you playing this on XBox or PC?

Also, I'm really looking forward to watching this series. I'm a Vega/Rose who's trying to up his game too. It's nice to be able to watch someone good learn.

[svpcharls]

just curious, there's at least 10 characters that from 3rd strike.  why did you decide to use codi?

[Serge0Slime]

The way to stop scissor kick preasure with Cody is either time a EX zonk or the better option do cr.mk. Also when you use cr.mk you use it with an option select db+LP+LK+MK. Problem with this u can't combo afterwards you could also try to stop it with a normal trow but that depends in spacing. Good pokes against Bison are st.mk, st.hk, cr.mk, cr.hp and b.mp (for anti air purpose). To start your offense cr.lk, normal trow, f.mp and f.hp(this one is risky like Alex overhead) are your best friends.

[RoGraves2012]

Ok I lied, im trying to get back into my Cody now

[RoGraves2012]

Im trying to get good at this game too, I used to be pretty good, I have 2 b rank characters online.(Cody is one of em) but then I kept losing and losing so im starting over fresh with learning Makoto and trying to lern the game

[RoGraves2012]

Which costume pack is that Makoto schoolgirl costume in

[mzhao1]

Against the Bison's Ultra2, you just need to neutral jump. You can't block it either direction if you stay on the ground.

[MonkeyCha0s]

@mzhao1 yes you can block it. cross up or no cross up. try it. but i always just jump. sometimes i jump forward if they realize theyre dumb asses and they hold back when they do it.

[DoneyBonez]

T. Hawk!

[SovaxeleMizzrym]

the only way to avoid that bison ultra is to jump....

[DuctTape42]

I used to main bison, so here were my few thoughts:

1) Bison can control where U2 (Psycho Punisher) lands. He's vulnerable in the air. Also, I once had a Balrog player charge a TAP during the freeze and use an autocorrect TAP to stuff U2 (invincible startup FTW).

2) Your cr.lp probably beats scissors. Either weather the storm or mash jab.

3) Bison has a bunch of wakeup options. All very punishable, but not punishable the same way. Also they all startup slowly, so a meaty is probably safe.

[SheepShaggerNation]

When you play against people with that low PP, you'll fall for the randomness

[Taattis]

And Renic delivers again! These are so the videos for me. Been playing 3rd Strike for "some time" and now starting SSFIVAE:2012 again with Cody. What more can I ask than these videos?

[Smangerbot]

good shit about liking the character, so true.

[Kriskof]

Hey what do you record your videos with?

[wolfpox]

Change your speaking voice. Add generic electronica beat or orchestra or something. Right now I'm falling asleep, even though I am interested and trying to listen.  Pretend like you are hyped up for what you're talking about and it will pay off

[breadpops]

acually the bison matchup is way in cody's favor space it out eat that sciccor kick dnt be afraid to neutral jump and use i thnk cody's jump fierce (the downward fist punch) cody also has alot of block strings that leave him safe and if you can jump over and cross up bison to make him lose that charge

[Raiden3651]

Looking forward to this because he should make really smart use of FA absorb.

[raffield1]

Don't be afraid to just hold jump when Bison throws out U2 randomly.

And yeah, generally you gotta let him just scissor kick until the pushback moves him too far away. It doesn't do very much chip damage, and they increased the pushback in AE.

[Murdoku]

cody back-strong aa when they are right above u. standing rh aa when they are jumping in at a distance. qcf+rh for close/medium range to get combo afterwards.

[jsaic]

this may seem counteintuitive to a 3s player because parry is always available, but in sf4 be prepared to lame it out, if need be. however, this may not matter as much if you're maining cody. other than that, basic strategy still applies, most of which you already know from previous sf games.

[jsaic]

i played sf2 and turbo casually. never got into sf3. returned with ssf4, and i started playing 3s 2 years ago. what i'll say about sf4 is that it's a combination (in terms of psychology and move priority) of sf2 c.e.,st, and 3s. for example, standing medium still AA like it does in c.e., and dashing usage can be applied similar to 3s. a main concept of sf4 is to realize that some matches are not meant to be won in a traditional fashion, depending on matchups. ...

[SithLordRagnos]

Whatever happened to 3S:OE? Even the hardcore fans, like you, Max. and Mr. Tecks, dropped it after a few weeks.

[Autonomisc]

Since 3rd strike isn't popular is tourneys is that why you're coming to Street Fighter 4? Well you have a good shot since this game isn't as in depth as 3S but it is alot more slow paced and you know many top players. Goodluck ReNic

[ABONESR]

main breezy ? what lol !!

[cHaotix08]

Hold Zonk and when you see a scissors come out let it go. Use fierce because you'll need jab for hit confirms and strong for anti airing.

[GardioxNebilim]

I messed around with Cody a lot in super. He's soooo much fun to play. His standing roundhouse is pretty good for footsies, as well as his standing Medium kick. You should experiment with his forward fierce kick to because you can hit confirm into MK ruffian kick. Luck to you dude, this game is the shiz-nit.

[DGibson1993]

to avoid bisons ultra 2 you have 2 options

stop being a whiny bitch and neutral jump or you can just go back to 3rd strike

[KeepItClassy94]

@DGibson1993 Ouch. He was just asking for some match up advice.

[DGibson1993]

@KeepItClassy94 its not like he's reading this shit anyway

[evil5150]

I am so sorry, I liked your 3rd Strike material, but this SFIV stuff is just nauseating. I hate everything about AE and would prefer anything else. I especially enjoy 3rd Strike videos, but I also find UMvC3 entertaining. Are you excited at all about TTT2?

-Whyplayalex

[F8isRIPPIN]

great series bro :) im a 3s player looking to try out the game as well

[Renji0963]

You can hit Bison in the air during his Ultra 2 :)

[danieldinho101]

Renic this is EPIC! Can I co-host?!?!

[demetru92]

cr . lp , cr . mp , cr . lk x lp criminal upper makes reversal dp whiff . Never ever do criminal upper on Guile unless you have 2 bars to fadc .Otherwise , you are going to eat a flash kick .

[InvaderFelix]

What a boss series, keep it up man.

[djEmk0]

I feel terrible, I am not as bad as I appear in this video and I will be happy to challenge others in order to step up my game. Gamertag is Emphatic Frenzy, I use Cody and Makoto.

[IdiealotPSN]

Start fresh with everyone else on street fight x tekken, get on that stream renic!!

[rane0238]

love watching peoples progress and levelling up, looking forward to more!

[RPanda3S]

I would have liked to have seen this for 3s.

[D0ntTaseM3Br0]

WTF @ 9:12

[RudyNever]

bison's ultra two you can just neutral jump :)

[rahkim]

soo much of the game is just experience. u gotta have people hit u with some of the bs to know it even works. BLOWS MY MIND>.< since I am a logic person. good vids. how do u record ur video and edit it?

[TrafalgarWakka]

im changing to akuma atm so it would be nice to face you ReNiC. Unfortunately theres only a yellow connection between Germany and America(assuming you're from America:P)

[D4Gamers]

This is some godlike shit man, keep it going!!

[Poopcopy]

yea I wouldn't go with the "under a certain bp/pp meaning they are easy". They could be training a new character, or bullshitting. my pp go as low as 600 to as high as 2000 depending on my mood and if I'm trying out new things.

[Dreamking2323]

I'm digging this series man. It'll be great to see your progress in SF4 and how much you improve. Also, thank you for acknowledging the fact that I am a cutie haha

[quicksaund]

Keep this up Renic, love it.

[Shadoweons]

Hah, I came from thirdstrike to this game as well renic, it's a weird transition but you can do it bro!

[pololoco89]

I get how difficult the transition can be, mobility is a lot more fluid in 3s and every character was rewarded fo their good reads thanks to pary, SF4 is all about footsies and untechable knockdowns

[tardie]

People with less than 1500 PP DON'T think. So you can't play mind games against theese guys. Just play without your mind vs them.

[ispsagel50]

@tardie Seriously, most of them are horrible and just brainless in what they are doing. I'm just at the 1500 BP area and most of them don't know what to do right after an untechable knockdown (Akuma players especially).

[happybirthdayshrek]

n. jump on bison's psycho abortion, n. jump fierce is your best follow up since cody's n. jump fierce is godly. also frame trap all day with f. mp - its your best pressure button. also also there is one thing about 3s you can transition to AE2012: knock down, walk forward, walk back, and blow up that tech. works even better in AE2012. ;) good luck with cody, renic <3

[theSHELFables]

I'm on board. Best of luck, ReNIC! Maybe I'll get better too!

[paradox817]

yo renic what are your thoughts on kof 13?

[simplelife88393]

back mp is an amazing anti air normal with cody. Seriously on par with dhalsims, use it!

[Inbred23]

A little thing for bison, every time you see him glow yellow and take to the air, dash forward, because odds are he's going for an ex headstomp and dashing forward makes the headstomp whiff, which you can then punish. Too many bisons think it's a safe move.

[Nate3457]

You don't use any safe jumps. Like agaisnt bison, you did a back throw and just stood there. You should at least do the safe jump and block if he do the ex psycho crusher. At least once in a while.

[00Morm00]

A few tips for the Bison match up

1. play it with a Sagat mindset. Cody can really zone Bison out with rocks, b.MP

2/ predict scissors with neutral jumps when he's at max scissor range, this leads to a 300 dmg combo.

3. when he's at normal range, scissor get stuffed by any normal on prediction (it has a slower startup)

4. abuse slide at Bison's max poke range to stuff his s.MK - s.H

[DoubleInputs]

1) Anti-air with b.MP and HK Ruffian preferably.

2) Don't focus so much, it's not parry.

3) Buffer MK Ruffian on cr.lp and cr.mp for controlling space. This will stuff scissor kicks during startup and also prevent dash ins from Bison.

4) Just jump against random Bison U2. If you're knocked down and he times it meaty though, you have to block correctly.

5) Option select cr.MK or meaty cr.MK beats all of Bison's options on wakeup, except teleport (neutral against it).

[chousukebe]

EX ruffian kick does punish point blank ex psycho crusher. I think the ultra does too. Also all scissor kicks other than lk (which is neutral) are pretty punishable on block unless spaced perfectly. c.lk is your fastest normal (3f), has great range and combos into mk ruffian kick for an easy punish on many things until you figure out a better one. (eg, gouken palms are -6, so you get it for free)

[MetalKingMaximo]

Dude, abuse ex zonk knuckle way way way more, less of the ex rocks, i keep h punch open for his air combo into upper.

[chousukebe]

@MetalKingMaximo EX Zonk isn't really abusable. It's very slow to start up, and you need to FADC to make it safe. Bison can't punish that hard (though c.mp xx hk scissors will hurt a bit), but for some characters its a free ultra on block.

[MetalKingMaximo]

@chousukebe Well I don't just throw it out there, I abuse it as a counter, he has some time where he goes through moves and projectiles, so if they are swining upclose and I'm about to get hit or mixed up i release ex zonk, it makes me dodge and counter them, And for the time when EX Zonk gets blocked cleanly and im about to get ultraed, I throw back my ultra right after zonk at it usually beats out anything.

[chousukebe]

@MetalKingMaximo EX Zonk is a GTFO move if the opponent is just rushing you down mindlessly, but it carries a huge risk. Mashing ultra after EX zonk is just praying that the opponent will miss their punish... The ultra won't even come out if the player knows what they're doing because you're taking a guaranteed punish which depending on character could be 20 to 50 percent of your life.

[Necrophelix]

On codys back throw you can hold up forward and get a safe jump RH everytime. fun fact.

[dRphy]

@Necrophelix It will be a safe jump against 5 frame reversals. So it will work against Yun's short upkicks, but not Yun's EX upkicks. Also works against Blanka's 4 frame EX up-ball, because Blanka gets up 1 frame slower than normal.

Slightly more accurate fact.

[Necrophelix]

@dRphy Ohhh, dang. Didn't know that. I just knew about it from when super 1st came out I picked up Cody for a couple days lol

Thanks for the clarification (:

[HectorGarfria]

How the mighty have fallen.

SMH

[MDKUN]

Renic playing sf4?! the world really is gonna end this year.

[hagane1989]

Codys back+medium punch is one of the best anti-airs in the game, you should use it more. It even beats bisons headstomp. Also, you can dash forward after you land it and start your offense as they land.

[MetaFalconX]

@hagane1989 Yeah man you beat me to the punch was going to say that lol it even beats vegas izuna drop

[chefrobsen]

Renic finally hopping on the SF4 bandwagon?

[SliceOfGold]

Ty, why not Abel? He seems the most Alex-like.

[raxzar]

@SliceOfGold lol no

[AfterBurnerEX1]

@SliceOfGold only ALEX is alex, always......remember that

[Spore4006]

@SliceOfGold i'd argue that abel is more like sean from 3s. Hakan is the obvious choice for an alex replacement.

[c0118oy]

oh and also check out Ryan Hunter's OS guide on Cody and check out some Momochi videos! like from Canda Cup

[c0118oy]

Get a good training partner Renic, TRUST me!. Also with Cody; FRAME TRAPS, FRAME TRAPS, FRAME TRAPS! that is all. Good luck my friend :D

[thearrah]

yay....you play IV now...*subscribe*

[alekschang]

And if there's any really basic things you need to learn about Cody and can apply really easily, it's:

1) cr lp, cr lp, cr mp XX hp criminal upper = better hit confirm than cr lp, cr lp, cr lk xx mk ruffian kick

2) back throw --> hold up towards --> jp hk = safe jump

3) learn to anti-air with back mp, st hk, cr mk (the slide) and hk ruffian kick

:] good luck!

[DoubleInputs]

@alekschang cr.lp, cr.lp, cr.mp xx HP Criminal Upper does less damage than cr.lp, cr.lp, cr.lk xx HP Criminal Upper most of the time, because the pushback on cr.mp causes hits from the criminal upper to wiff.

[grassysaq]

A lot of characters (including cody's U2) cannot punish focuses very well because if the other player is smart they will backdash which results in them being airborne and the beginning of the ultra either resetting them or knocking them down and not fully connecting.

[alekschang]

Renic, have you seen Ryan Hunter's Cody Guide? You should definitely check it out, if you haven't.

[nunuty]

keep it sf3 dude... sf4 there is tons of crap already

[krion363]

If bison does ultra just hold up.

[biosnake20]

Crouch medium kick with cody stops scissors clean.

[mohitoride]

It seems like Ultra usage in general is best suited for the killing combo or near raw ultra to close the gap if you are losing. Focus attack punish via Ultra would mean you'd lose the tactical advantage of having ultra on hand.

[eriddy]

Yo renic i beat you one round of sf4 once get at me for tips and tricks

[akipuff]

When you knock Dic down, he's free to safe jumps (fastest reversal being 14 frames). Everything he does to try and escape is punishable (punish psycho crusher with ex. ruffian kick and punish head stomp with back strong) or makes him lose a lot of ground (devil's reverse and teleport). Learn and React.

Actually getting the knock down is the problem, Dic has great footsies. You need to play lame until you can get in, then stay in or force him into a corner. Also, cr. forward blows up scissors.

[Macen121487]

Now your going to have to deal with butthurt stubborn 3rd strike players. I repect your decision in trying something new.

[SLChaiThai]

Back strong works on all of Bison's options in the air, including head stomp and EX head stomp. MK, HK, and EX scissor kick can be punished with low short to mk ruffian. Immediately jumping after a back throw is a safe jump.

Also get at Sanchez.

[ColonelPop]

@SLChaiThai Yeah, get at Sanchez.

[KikiDaiso]

Learn to use and abuse back.MP as AA.

Yeahhhh...

[papaduck91]

WELCOME TO SF4!

[NightmareBA]

If you do end up having these weekly meetings, I'll try to be there.

[Paltheos]

Renic, light scissor kicks can't be punished on block (by anyone). The stronger variants are punishable on block, depending on distance from the opponent. Scissor kicks (all?) can be hit out of, but as the attack is fairly quick, you must predict it prior. Unfortunately, I don't know how (if) Cody can do this.

[faust11]

Punish bison's EX crusher with a throw after he passes. Scissor kick I think you can punish with a zonk knuckle after the last frame

[TRMColster2020]

Hey Renic, as far as Bison's scissor kicks, you should be able to punish most of them with a crouching short into a Ruffian kick or Criminal Upper combo. You'll start to get the feel for the timing for the links and punishes once you've practiced them a lot in training mode and real matches. Bison's wakeup options are pretty vast, so it's pretty hard to punish all of them. Roundhouse Ruffian can punish Devil's Reverse and I think EX Zonk Knuckle can punish Psycho Crusher. Hope this helps!

[BrawlersUpTv]

Damn Renic, really....? Good shit though, do what you want. Good luck.

[RamsusXIII]

Could have just jumped and beat out Bison's ultra but like you said, you didn't know about it. It's a learning process, but I don't need to tell you that.

[MrZombiejfk]

hey renic this video is real cool and a great idea for a series. i'm trying to get into SF4 as well, however i have virtually no fighting game experience. i'll try to post a comment on each of these videos with my progress and i'll try to participate in your streams. thanks man, great work with everything

[spikehamer2]

let's see how this ends up for weeks, ill follow mister man

[Vivaldi290]

A 3rd strike player playing SF4? Oh no...

[Quebert69]

Neutral jump vs bison's U2. Free punish.

[BBoyPhreshershist]

Renic Noooo. We need you in the 3s community

[nvis]

I was a huge 3rd strike player and loved going to super arcade out here in pomona, then sf4 hit and I wasn't feeling it... I eventually jumped on a couple months ago and mained cody. Cody has a hard time dealing with pressure without meater. I'm not sure of the match ups on paper, but I have trouble against Bison, sim, and guile.

[ogiekeaney123]

yep, you can just jump if bison does a randomn ultra like that. not gonna happen against a good player though. ps you can't jump out of the ultra if he does it meaty on your wakeup.

[rizhall]

Cool video! A lot of characters can't deal with the scissor kick nonsense from Bison once he's got it going, but for Cody actually, when I used to use him, I found out that Cody's cr.mk can avoid it or beat it out. It's interesting.

The reason not all characters can punish a focus attempt on reaction is because, if they see the ultra start up, the other guy can mash back dash, which puts them in airborne, and a lot of ultra first hits will hit the first hit but reset them (like Cody's ultra 2).

[Syiiriine]

3RD STRIKE LOST ANOTHER ONE OH NO

[BumpyPickles]

Codys hardest hitting combo is a one frame link, st.mp>cr.hp>hp.cu. Plink the hp to criminal upper and you'll be pro in no time. Also forward medium punch applies efficient pressure and frame traps with Cody that can lead to this combo and unique mixup opportunities. Always start the first round with standing round house. Last hint is to look up Option-Select's Ryan Hunter's Cody to learn how to play him efficiently. GGS

[scumbag10030]

ty you scrub fool, i hope you keep this up so i can laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh some more at your TERRIBLE sf4 play.....

also your cracker ass needs to get on that HAKAN...!!!

[AllusiontoSafety]

Also you are giving online players WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much credit. The average XBL live player (and honestly, the average SF4 player) doesn't think when they play.

[Lexuname2008]

This seems like a great idea, hoping to see lots more of these. I've been starting to take the game lots of more seriously since last summer and I might say I'm fairly decent at the game right now so it's nice to see how someone who's around my skill level sees the game and discusses it.

[AllusiontoSafety]

Against Bison, Scissor kick pressure is something every character has to deal with, it's really dumb.

General tip with Cody, if you want to learn to punish something try crouching short. It's 3 frame, has amazing range, so it can punish a lot of things.

Good luck

[TheElephant2009]

Also that gouken was waiting for a slide kick

[ShinAkuma21]

i understand fully what you're going through i'm a 3rd strike player too and i'm not use to blocking that much because i've been spoiled with parries lol

[TheElephant2009]

Why would he not play Abel??

[aidsbutt]

cuties

[DgDynasty]

when Super released I was never going to play it because Hakan was in the game and he was so ugly he ruined it for me.

[TheSupersabby]

why dont u play abel he seems like alex in some ways i think it would benefit u

[ninjachipzanuff]

jump to avoid Bison ultra 2

[Rogond09]

Just so you know, cody's backthrow is a free safejump against characters without a 3-frame reversal (i.e. shotos) if you just hold upforward and come in with j.hk.

[NotObeySK]

I want to see some dota 2 gameplay against mike ross!

[Necrophelix]

Good luck man! You'll be up there in no time

[Sundownerr]

HELLO ALL YOU SCOUNDRELS!1

[chocobo1]

I love you <3