To add to my last 4 posts. People working in cities any way would probably prefer to work out of such locations and live there and the city could be broken up into micro communities, ie Students and Aged care ,Pensioners. This could possibly take up half of the people on earth living in these cities and that Free's up alot of energy and natural resources. I would not completely dismiss the Zeitgeist concept at all.
The main worry is the no currency means full control, I don't agree with that.
To add to my last 3 posts. I believe there should be very little unemployed as anyone on unemployment should have to take up study to better themselves and personal equity so there are no free loaders and no idle minds causing crime. The student allowance should be raised to encourage this and the unemployment system needs to be more proactive in encouraging people to take up some form of education or training. No one should be on unemployment for more than 6 months.
To add to my last 2 posts. People should be able to live out side of such cities and with alot of natural resources saved by having such communities as proposed by the Zeitgeists the people living out side should be able to live a relatively normal life.
I don't think the idea of building cities to encourage freeloading is healthy as people are supposed to work and think. To give away your own personal equity is to give up your ambitions and freedom.
To add to my last post. I don't like the attitudes of some of these Zeitgeist replying to posts saying if people don't except the concept then they will die. It sounds like a dictatorship system, A model of the proposed city style could fit in to the world without the bullshit of dictatorship. These could also be used in poor countries but people should be free to come and go as the feel without micro chips etc. Prison systems could also use this model and run self sufficient. TBC
I agree with you on the over all concept Alex But i think the basic model can be used for Students, Unemployed, Aged care and retirement, as well as for anyone who chooses to live in a community like this.
This would help with world resources and will create jobs in the constructions of such cities.
I say it definitely has its place on earth but not as an only optune.
I don't agree with wind turbines being so close to the city and must allow for expansion. To be continued.
Okay yes Alex has some good points, but a lot of it is nit picking & getting them on technicalities that they never expanded on as they're limited to 2 hours.
Could it be that he has a bias against the movie because it talks about Christianity & other religions being nonsense.
Seeing as Alex believes in Christianity and all.
I think Joe Rogan was right when he says that he agrees with 70% of what Alex Jones says.
Peter Joseph and Alex Jones are both wrong, but in opposite ways. Market freedom is a great tool for local optimization, but you have to curb its excesses at a national scale. The profit motive can be horribly destructive when you feed it via large transfers of wealth or when it gets monopoly constraint over entire industries, but you can create a system that blocks that, but still rewards people based on production. In short, both are wrong because there is hope.
Humans are a sad excuse for a species - the sooner we die the better the planet! Stuff the Zeitgeist movement - lets kill ourselves on mass to create a cleaner green environment for all the poor animals on planet earth! Go green - get a vasectomy!
First, TZM will never evolve w/o a somewhat right-libertarian society, because if the government were to get involved, the project would turn into a nightmare. Because PJ rails against capitalism so much, he legitimizes the left, who want big government. I only like TZM because it's supposedly libertarian: i.e. nonviolent and noncoercive.
Finally, spirituality is 1 one thing, religion another. Some have experienced phenomena that can only be described as paranormal/ proof of the spiritual realm
@amamerc And I'm increasingly becoming convinced that TZM has a penchant for Marxism. They denigrate capitalism, but the worst I've ever heard from PJ about Marxism is that "Marx had the wrong solutions." Marxism is a system which advocates socialism and total centralization of power into the state: it's the first stage of communism. Marxism necessitates totalitarianism (which can be "good," not necessarily genocidal). TZM should offer no praise for such a horrible, nihilistic system imo.
Imagine that we are all non-religious like you and well organized and we manage to overthrow them and set us all free from their influence. What would we do next?
In all this game, the devil is the victim, is the scapegoat, will be acused of everything cause the GOD don’t want any rivals. Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form,following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil cause he is just a temporary puppet. Jesus Christ is our savior and our hope!
" Science and technology has made a WORLD of plenty in harmony a reality, however the dominant minority interest has created the MARKET MECHANISM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY and THE WAGE SLAVERY of the working men and women for the abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration. If you can not comprehend these few words then your life journey is utter waste and distortion. A democratic majority political movement to transcend the dehumanising power structrues."
as this could be easily said about you... somthing tell me if you had a long discussion with peter, and not a small discussion over the radio... you would think differently.... as i beleive both of you to be good people...
corection its already happening.... and what else would you expect... he is a christian and he is just doing everything to defend his religion as he as clearly spent a lot of his time promoting Christianity, and anything new is considered a sin or evil.... power ego and arrogance is evil and as long as the monetary system exist.... and a culture based on egoism and chauvanism exist their will always be wars.... the TZM is the overall solution.... and he is not trying to be slick..... as t
alex jones is an childish... he just doesnt get it.... but i agree with what he say about the third world war and genocide.... it will happen VERY soon
@cyborg20081 ..No you imbecile; you are the one who doesn't get it... you keep on blaming only the monetary system (like every mentally ill atheist commie do) as it that was the only problem in the world; Alex exposes the same thing and many other that ZeithGAY doesn't and he NEVER mentions christianity at all , so you are LYING .. YOU just don't get it because you are victim of the ATHEIST NWO's anti-christian, anti- religion propaganda, fed up to you ever since elementary school.
I don't claim that Churches are not corrupted and good for avoiding, they are. But Jesus Christ IS Son of God. He was all human with divine nature. And He was cruelly, savagely, bestialy tortured and killed without any crime comitted ever. Zeitgeist says no, no, no, it is a part of fraud. Well, I believe in goodness and love and that people can actually be good and honest and love each other. Jesus Christ was preaching about love, goodness, honesty...
Christianity doesn't serve as the mean of control of the masses. Quite the opposite, you can't control the mind of real Christian. You can't make him buy a lie. A lie like Zeitgeist.
@mmarkomann You do realise that the biggest lie of all is the lie that there is a god? Christianity manages to be doing a great job of controlling people by making them believe that.
@JustinRichards that is an absurd. If you would know a bit about Christianity, you wouldn't be able to lie yourself like this. You can't control a Christian. Many rulers tried it and even by threat of death and torture they didn't manage to make Christians think otherwise and obey.
@JustinRichards if religion is used for controlling why those globalists do not represent themselves as religion people? Why are they trying to suppress Christian religion so hard when the church is usefull "tool" for controlling people's minds? You know, I am born in this world as it is, I can't do anything to change it. It is a way too corrupted and based on bad foundations that could be saved, so the Doomsday is certain as well as unavoidable. I am not free in material sense.
@JustinRichards ...but I am free in a spiritual way which counts...and I choose to believe in God. It doesn't mean that I will not do whatever I can to resist evil in both material and spiritual way. So, my faith doesn't make myself a slave, the system implemented does. My country is secular so religion is not the way of everyday's life and is the matter of free choice. BUT, system is not the matter of choice. So, what is used for control?
@JustinRichards Zeitgeist itself claims that money is used for controling people. They control the flow of money, or to be more precise they create money, they print it as much as they need to keep the most of the world enslaved. Religion is actually an obstacle for them because it doesn't glorify material things over spiritual. And, for the end: Peter Joseph is Jewish Zionist. His only purpose is to discredit our Lord Jesus Christ. The rest of the story is actually well known.
@JustinRichards ...if someone has control over most of media, TV, radio, internet, why would they need religion? You are not religious, do they control you also? Do you claim that if someone is not religious, they wouldn't control him?
Zeitgeist wants us to believe that everything is corrupted and a part of one big lie. Even Jesus Christ. That's the point. At least I think so...
Being Christian doesn't mean sit there like a sheep and accept everything without resistance. Quite the opposite. Real Christian loves, thinks and fights against lie. But that's another story...
@getbo exactly...and not only. He is a man who explore everything and never accepts anything without deep thinking. Many times lies are very carefully hidden into some truthful story only to make someone buy the whole mixture. So someone accept 99% of truth together with 1%. It's like you eat 99% of healthy food (if you find any) with 1% of rotten food. The whole meal will make you seek or even kill you.
So much ignorance for zietgeist fans and alex jones fans alike, we both have one goal, that is to stop tyranny. We are fighting with the wrong people!
@FiveStarFuhrer I agree: stop tyranny. But who is the tyrant...or, who are the tyrants? How to find those tyrants? How to recognize them? Who should we fight against? The enemy is very capable of hiding itself and luring us into multitude of wrong directions. I think that Zeitgeist's main function is to discredit the Truth of the Bible. The rest 90% of the storyline of Zeitgeist is actually truth, though not complete. You see the method of tyrants? Disguise, deceive, hide, mix truth with lies.
@mmarkomann The tyrants are the globalists who rule the world, and as for the bible part, Everything in the zeitgeist movie is based on facts. Look it up. I certainly did. You probably think thats there main function because it had such an effect on you because it made you think. Lead yoru own life is what the message is and not have a book lead it for you. Its that simple.
Man, there is always some "book" we rely on, since our childhood...there's always something that has influence on our way of thinking, reasoning etc. The point is who you are going to put your trust in. There are always some facts and "facts" (much more) we use to make some conclusion. Facts are what they use to manipulate us, so as for the bible part, Zeitgeist is full of half-facts that may lead someone to distort conclusions
This is complete bullshit, you have no idea what the fuck youre talking about because you refuse to see anything besides your point of view. Alex Jones you are a failure.
THIS MAN IS VERY DECEPTIVE. DO NOT GET TIED UP IN HIS WORDS. PEOPLE SHOULD BE USING TECHNOLOGY THAT CORPORATIONS HAVE HIDEN AWAY WITH PATENTS! YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SLAVE FOR FOOD AND SHELTER. AND USE FOSSIL FULES THAT MY GREAT GRAND FATHER USED TO POWER HIS MODE OF TRANSPORTATION. do not be ignorant change is coming. LOVE WILL PREVAIL .MONEY IS PURE EVIL & SO IS OIL. CHANGE IS COMING.
this dude is trying to refuse ths information without base, if you want to refuse this documental, you should play the whole film..... cuz you can refuse some fragments, if you dont show certain information
If you complain about the term 'conspiracy theorist' as if it used to devaluate in advance whatever uncommon theory you wish to propose, then refrain from using the term 'bleeding hearts'. because you are in essence doing the same thing. Devaluating someone's outlook right of the bat because you can't deal with the possible reality of it.
everyone can't be equal? you're missing the point here big guy. Kids know pnly what they are born into. If they're born into a society full of jealousy and anger they will probably be that. If they are born into a truly economic and caring environment they describe no such thoughts would even occur. all i know is we need change. not a new law not a new president. we need a new system WORLD system i wish people would wake the fuck up
Alex doesn't get that as long as there is property, there will be inequality, and those with more will be the ones in control. Control is not derived from having some intangible 'power', it is by having more resources than others; power is from owning resources. There can't be a one world 'government' of that type in TVP because there is no property. The govt will be the people themselves, and not their 'representatives.'
and the philosophies they talk about in zeitgeist
the product that alex is trying to sell is that they want to "control" and slowly kill us
why? because they want to just because...zeitgeist breaks it all down to a simple idea
"they do this to us for the simple reason of profit" and because the monetary system that we are under gives us no choice but to kill each other just to live....alex jones spreads too much apathy and paranoia
Some poeple are just too paranoid. There can NEVER be ANYTHING that happens in the world without people screaming NWO. Can't you give humanity more credit for being creative and moving forward and evolving? Stop living in fear and grow!
Only a reactionary imbecile on the level of Alex Jones would seriously assert that Karl Marx inspired the processes occurring within our predominant social institutions. What ridiculous twaddle!
If there was more short-term profit to be made through the utilization of alternative energy sources, then the dominant energy interests would shift toward such technology. However, until they can consolidate the rights to a sufficient number of alternative energy industries and find profitable avenues of production and distribution that are at least on par with those currently existing for oil and fossil fuels, no progress will be made.
Alex Jones is a simpleton who obscures genuine issues.
It is "consolidation" of power only insofar as the major energy corporations dominate the energy market and thus exert a disproportionate amount of influence over energy policy. This is the logical progression of capitalism. The "bottom line," however, must be met. The primary objective is always profit (unless a social movement rises to threaten the system), as this allows them to maximize returns to the owners, which perpetuates the privilege of the capitalist class.
People are so ignorant.., especially Americans !!! Most of them don't really know much about the World and it's history and never have been anywhere in the World, but they have opinions on everything. It is mostly because of Americans that our World looks the way it does.
The truth is, that We, humans as a current civilization are doomed !!
We'll be one step from distinction as species and people will still be against each other !!
"My country is my planet" and "My religion is to do good"
alex jones, you are a very smart man and your analytical powers are unmatched in certain cases. I commend you for you trying to better human understanding and intellect and for fighting to better our species. However, your means are fundamentally and psychologically flawed because you do not cater to the views of the average citizen. Your ideas and ways of presenting them are geared toward people who already agree with you. Not toward those who still need awakening.
@mikerowphone "little workers".... Nice choice of words. Your answer is predictable. Sounds like a preachy father or maybe a "Job creator"... Are you saying those that don't work, have no sense of purpose? Or is it that, the only way to feel pride is to EARN something? Now I don't think it was ever an attack on work, as much as an attack on your empowering money... We have had a lot of years with money, power, and religion, and yet there is still kings on thrones, and peasants in the fields.
WE NEED ONLY LISTEN TO REALIZE ZM REPEATEDLY MENTIONS WEALTH CENTRALIZATION,AND SUGGESTS WAYS TO DECENTRALIZE. JONES IS AGAIN TALKING TO HEAR HIS OWN VOICE. COMMUNISM,SOCIALISM, FASCISM/CAPITALISM ALL PREACH DEMOCRACY,AND PRACTICE PLUTOCRACY. THEY,RE ALL FAILED SYSTEMS THAT PEOPLE WONT LOOK BEYOND. PJ ADMITS ZM IS NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM,BUT ONE TO CONSIDER AS A ALTERNATIVE. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE TO DO WITH THEIR TIME. TIME TO GET OFF THE TREAD-MILL PEOPLE. WE,RE NOT SLAVES.
If Alex knows so fucking much about the world why not fucking help make it a better place instead of talking shit about people all the time! You make a better film. just another critic TZM dont give a shit what you think just a fool stopping progress telling people what they cant do with no solutions ........ TVP all day!!
HEY ALEX I'D RATHER PREFER SOMEONE WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT AND MAKES THINGS AND PERSONS EQUAL....THAN SOME PUPPET POLITICIANS WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES AND TO KEEP THEIR GREEDY POCKETS FULL OF MONEY AS WELL!!!
AND OUR NATURAL RESOURCES WHAT???? LET'S RUN OUT OF THEM???
@OrganicKing communist propaganda??? retarded cunt go check the definition of communism in the diocionarie before you post ignorant comment on youtube!!!!
LOL @ the 11-hundred+ Alex Jones Mind Zombies that voted like. fuck Alex Jones I knew he was fake from the start, Before any of this shit. I've always disliked this asshole. He clearly has a hidden agenda and many are too stupid to see that. people say wake up when they're trapping their minds in an endless cycle of excessive questioning to answers we already know. Alex Jones hasn't proved any of his conspiracy theories. He just feeds you the same shit over and over. God, I pitty his followers.
No one wants to come in second. I can understand this, but prefer the approach the Zeitgeist film propose contrary to the almost evangelistic raving AJ preaches.
the people on here bashing alex jones need to wake up. half the shit in zeitgeist comes directly out of agenda 21. ive read 120 pages of agenda 21 so don't even try to troll me on this one
I think Alex Jones means well, but he is too caught up in his own fears to see clearly. His patriotism to a nation-state (and outdated concept that needs be eliminated) is holding him back from realizing a better way to live in the world. Unlike Zeitgeist, AJ has no ideas on how to create a better world; AJ has a personal problem with Zeitgeist, probably out of fear and jealousy.
No one has all the answers, but I prefer the ideas of Zeitgeist over the rants of Alex Jones.
Come on peoples!!! ALEX JONES IS A FRAUD AND A LIAR. Show me otherwise by give me the links and the time where Alex fortold about 9\11, about the Terror in Norway and so on. Anders B. Breivik could not have reached the 32th degree freemason in his age. You don't even rise one level a year either. Dumbasses
these people handing down the technology. What total utter bullshit. there's either commercial or opensource both work in communities with the commercial ones ran somewhat by business idiots, somewhat by technical minds and somewhat by government. Alex jones gives the elite to much credit (space ships my ass).
As much as I think Alex Jones is a great guy for sharing information with us, he misinterpreted the Zeitgeist movie claiming false claims. For example, the part about saying "work is bad" is not what the movie is actually saying. The movie is saying that the monotonous jobs should be done by machines while the humans can concentrate on much more important jobs, for example, education, and health care. I'm sorry Alex Jones, I think you pushed it a bit too far by claiming that this movie is bad.
@12NiBer12 I have to completely agree with you ! I like alex jones and follow him constantly by reading his websites and news. But what he said about Zeitgeist, i dont agree with. They offer the best solutions for man kind, and I have been to their meetings frequently. It is a very well thought out movement. Ok, so maybe they didnt get the political details correct as Alex Jones claims, but If Zeitgeist is also been criticized, what else is left in the world that he wont criticize?!
@khellel Great, finally someone who fully understands what I tried to say, does not go into an open war with me and actually furthers my thoughts. So, thank you! :)
im sorry to tell all of you Zeitgeist believers this but, the elite made Zeitgeist. this just proves it. I know that most of you will dislike it straight away. but alex is the only person who tells the truth
@Cbr0Rider Read the first top-rated comment under that video. That's exactly what I want to say to you, Alex and anyone else that seeks to criticize without providing any constructive ideas in return.
omg,guys please wake up.alex "money grabbing" is a fear mongering liar.just google"alex jones y2k" and "alex jones racial attacks in london" and u would realize how credible alex jones really is.
there he is playing the part of the rebel and kicking shit in a valid and sane organization willing to create a sane world. Shitface Jones is a troublemaker trying to get red necks to fight the government and incite violence. I dont know who is he working for but watch out for this piece of crap.
"...and human nature doesn't work that way." I know this was part of the 2nd and 3rd Zeitgeist films, but I believed this before I saw them. Human nature is not a constant! It is based on environment, and there evidence supporting that fact everywhere. People are not born with with genetically-based personality traits-the reason you might be stubborn like your mom is because you lived with her throughout your entire childhood! If you had been raised by someone else you would be different.
"...but that means there's always a group above you that are going to be handing out things to quote 'the people that are equal.'" That is actually what is happening today. The majority of people today are handed down technology by corporations. "Oh the latest iPad-I must have it! Oh wow! A HYBRID car! So HIGH-TECH!" In a society where higher education isn't restricted by competition and money, people will truly be more equal, and not blindly led by politicians and corporate advertising.
I loved first Z movie and the first half of the second one, disagreed and was disgusted with everything after that. I think Alex is doing a pretty good job by warning people about the dangers of this utopia.
In all this game,the devil is the victim,is the scapegoat,will be accused of everything cause the GOD don’t want any rivals*.Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form,following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments-including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil cause he is just a temporary puppet.*HE picked intentionally an “adversary” to show that nobody have more power than HIM.
What Alex Jones doesnt realize is, WHAT THE FUCK are people going to do for a living when almost every single JOB out there in the real world is and will be done by a robot? Because the the system as we know it NOW demands that you make your product the cheapest way possible. And what is cheaper than getting rid of the human component? You fucking dumbass, all you have to do is look at the Auto Industry to find your answer!! WHENEVER POSSIBLE, the Industry gets rid of the human JOB!!
This guy is good. I like and agree with a lot that is in Zeitgeist, however the movie creator does have an atheist agenda if you really pay attention.
Our progressive evolution is dependent upon the transformation of our current society with the opportunity of rebuilding a new world based on sustainable foundation that is in harmony with the planet.. Only with complete transparancy wiil we be able to chart a more viable future for humanity. Quantum physics emphasizes a fundamental truth the" observer creates the world". Once we share the planet as ONE HUMAN COMMUNITY IN COOPERATION can the entire population make history consciously
Go Peter, Go! And I don´t give a fuck about Peter´s real name, I just care about how much sense he makes when he talks and how much I agree with what he says.
the creator of the movie spent countless of hours to prove their point... this guy must be a genius to make bold statements while running out of mins...
been wondering if i should take part of the movement: NOW because of this guys futile attempt to convince me not to... i have the answer..
-THANK YOU ALEX JONES FOR PROVING THAT THE ZEITGEIST RIGHT AND ThaT YOU are.... WRONG!!!....
Most of them truly wanted to help society and many of the products we see in our every day life are products of scientific ingenuity. Most scientist realize that the greatest gift is helping others.
These films are not anti-christian and actually speak against technical elitism or any other form of elitism.
Machines do not have emotions or feel the desire for power. They would not take over the world unless we programmed them to do so. If you follow all of history, there have been few "power hungry" scientists who shared dreams of world domination. .....
The comments about transportation hardly makes sense. Joseph said "corrupt profit interests". He didn't even use the word greed. Go ahead and check this video.
Working is a form of slavery for most people. The poorer you are, the harder you have to work and the more you are treated like a machine.
I'm glad this guy is passionate about helping society, but it doesn't seem like he really listened to or took this film in without simply dismissing it as Marxism, Communism or Technocratic Elitism. The Zeitgeist films propose a completely different system then any of that has ever been tried in the past: a high tech society unlike anything we've ever seen...
Joseph eventually released his last name. He did not want to do so to preserve his anonymity and safety.
All I have to say is... Read "The Best That Money Can't Buy" by Jacque Fresco. Then tell me what your objections are--if you have any left to present.
I thought about The Venus Project being apart of the NWO , although there isn't any money in this system so it can't be. and Jacque Fresco talks against anyone controlling anything
@sferlazza01 The whole idea is too good to be true, that's why it's VERY fishy. They want to sell it to everyone that all of a sudden we're going to get everyone in the world can agree and move forward with their plan. It's BS because it's not going to happen this way without someone suffering. Also it's going to be invite-only because it's not going to be able to house everyone for centuries... I'm pretty sure they're trying to pull the wool over the eyes of most of us.
No money = no power. If the elites have no power to manipulate others how will they remain in control? They cant! Zeitgeist is the biggest threat to their power structure.
I love alex but he is just judging it not giving an answer to the problem, if you defeat the globalist's but keep basically there same system, they will just rise again and again and again, thats why you have to change it all.
@shanepealow44 Who are you to say just changing the system is going to being an end to corruption and tyranny, and how is being a hypocrite helping? Aren't you just judging also?
What is that Zeitgeist guy doing besides offering very general ideas and building little models that use technology that we don't even have? Hes like a kid playing with an erector set, all his years and not really anything accomplished.
@Martial024 Who are you to say I can or cannot say? How am I a hypocrite? I have been watching alex for awhile now and I respect his passion, but I see alot of thought and passion in zeitgeist also and giving a very plausible and thoughtout answer to a problem. Alex as much as I like him usually is just mad and gives fear, zietgeist gives fear but an answer to it. And when you actually create something intellegent and thought out enough to challenge it, then you can ridicule.
@notjam3 Decadence is a difficult word to use since it has become little more than a term of abuse applied by critics to anything they do not yet understand or which seems to differ from their moral concepts.-Ernest Hemingway
@shanepealow44 She stated that all religions originate from the same spiritual source, and that humanity will eventually come to realize this, and as they do so, the result will be the emergence of a universal world religion and a "new world order." "Alice Bailey"
Peter Joseph states that it's greed. Then Alex Jones states it's not just greed, it's about centralisation and power. I got news for you buddy. That's Greed!
Alex I beg of you, watch jacque fresco and his interviews on youtube...I know what you think about these clips you are showing but you don't see the bigger picture..I thought the same thing..that everyone is free but you still have people giving orders so you cant really be free...but please look into the Venus Project and i know that Jacque Fresco would be more than glad to talk to you...I am sorry but you are backing this up with stuff that you think they are saying.
I agree with the mode of transportation that someone else will profit considerable amount of money or control. What would be your best solution without greed or control ? If a change could be done, I would eradicate ultimate richness and put a cap on everybody's earning and gain. Nobody should earn anymore than the next guy. (That's my belief. If we want to, we can)
first you have to check everything about the Venus Project and talk to Jacques Fresco or at least watch all of his lectures and then criticize the project...you are not alone; most people compare it to a lot of old establishment systems and it is not...please do your research thoroughly next time before you talk!
I know this vid was posted in 08, but I certainly hope that you, Mr Jones, and the Zeigeist crew have made a link up. It only takes a mere "sparks of few intrusted souls" to begin something that do nothing but flourish humanity, as a whole, in a direction of a positive venture. (PERIOD)
I wonder if Alex Jones watched Zeitgeist. Alex wants to use human nature as a reason nothing new will work. Didn't Zeitgeist spend 2 hours explaining human nature? Wow Alex....over your head a little?
I like how Alex Jones stands up for what he believes in. Fresco says in Zeitgeist that peoples opinions should be acknowledged and if someone is proven wrong then their opinion should be celebrated. Well done for giving your opinion Alex
they say people dont need to work the oldpeople want to work because they a only hear that all the time in lif in tv in school everware you cant live without but if maschines work we can do other thinks think about things travel to the univers invent things locking after or familie and so go on
Nothing will ever come of the Zeitgeist Movement. Their members are too lazy to every actually attempt to implement any of their ideas. Show me a model Zeitgeist Land of 50 people who do not end up starving or killing each other within 1 year and we can talk. PJ has done well though - he gets to travel all around the world and have sex with lots of different women - good for him
Peter Joseph simply knows nothing about Economics. i bet he doesn't even know what the Austrian School of Economics is. Technology does replace human labor. These humans then get to go produce new things, goods or services that have never been produced before. Thus making society wealthier. The problem is not money. The problem is we are forced to convert our productivity into fiat money by legal tender laws. This fiat money is then controlled and manipulated by governments and private banks.
Alex must disagree with this if you look at it from his perspective. He has built his character and his business around around conspiracy and mystery and whatnot. Alex himself psychologically needs an enemy to expose. While I think alex's intentions are good in his own mind, ultimately he is wasting energy that could be spent finding an alternative. Agreeing with Peter Josephs angle and ideas is a big threat to his identity. He may not have the energy left to manage such a character shift.
I watched Collapse by Ruppert and Zeitgeist back to back. I've spent years studying world history and sociological evolution. If i keep my mind open to others views and do not fear questions I am able to learn more. I have often found I had tunnel vision and my view was limited.I encourage questions and seek input. I have never found one single thing that is truth in all ways but truth (relative?) comes from a complex interaction of many views and facts. If my mind snaps shut I'm a prisoner.
Alex is just trying to pick apart ideas but is missing the main point of the zeitgeist films. He perceives ideas as wrong in his mind which is looking at it from the present context of things.
Money is, among other things, a major form of control. People believe that money gives you everything you need to survive and people are literally forced to pursue money because, in the current structure of society, there is no other way. Money has no true value if people don't need it.
@matrix7able Money is necessary for trade. Without money you have bartering. Without either you have subsistence living = poverty. Division of labor is good. People can become skilled in one area. They need money to trade that specific skills productivity for other peoples productivity. Society cannot exist without money. Period.
@benjak21 humans can easily exist without money. In this 3 dimensional reality and societal paradigm we currently exist in, it is hard to imagine this, but you can. And not only can we exist, but spiritually and energetically we can have a more fruitful and abundant existence.
@organikness How? How would communicate value? Profit? Loss? Productivity? Money is not a construct of governments. Currency is. There is a distinct difference. Money is what free human beings use to store value and facilitate trade. Currency is artificial money, manipulated by central banks and politicians. It has no innate value.
@benjak21 Money is not necessary for trading, it's just a substitute when you have nothing of interest to the other person to "trade". Division of labour is irrelevant. Currently (In a society like the one we have now), money is needed to trade skills & productivity etc, but in a society without money, where it's not based on the idea of profit (self-interest), everyone then works for the benefit of everyone, simple as that. Past native societies didn't need money, so your wrong.
@matrix7able Don't be so fucking economically ignorant like almost everyone else on this page defending Zeitgeist. The situation you are describing is called the Barter System. In this system if you dont have exactly what the other guy wants/needs and he doesnt have exactly what you want/need, you are shit out of luck. That is precisely why humanity created money in the first place. To store productivity and to facilitate trade. Get central banks and governments out of it. That will remedy it.
@benjak21 Maybe removing central banks & governments from society will remedy it, but only for some time, that's not the core issue. The issue (directly speaking) is not that there are governments or central banks, the core issue is that people with money hold power over people without, and that affects everything including governments and banks. Money leaves those who don't possess it in a place of dependency. That dependency causes people, in desperation, to do things they normally wouldn't.
... So yes, money is cool, it works very well when you take the power it has over people out of the equation. Money worked well in a time where things weren't so available, but now things are different. Have you ever played the game monopoly, its a good example. Not only that but natural technological advancement of society actually slowly works against the system of money because through self-interest. People would rather employ a machine instead of man etc, and that trend won't stop.
To add to my last 4 posts. People working in cities any way would probably prefer to work out of such locations and live there and the city could be broken up into micro communities, ie Students and Aged care ,Pensioners. This could possibly take up half of the people on earth living in these cities and that Free's up alot of energy and natural resources. I would not completely dismiss the Zeitgeist concept at all.
The main worry is the no currency means full control, I don't agree with that.
Stringyheads 1 week ago
To add to my last 3 posts. I believe there should be very little unemployed as anyone on unemployment should have to take up study to better themselves and personal equity so there are no free loaders and no idle minds causing crime. The student allowance should be raised to encourage this and the unemployment system needs to be more proactive in encouraging people to take up some form of education or training. No one should be on unemployment for more than 6 months.
Stringyheads 1 week ago
To add to my last 2 posts. People should be able to live out side of such cities and with alot of natural resources saved by having such communities as proposed by the Zeitgeists the people living out side should be able to live a relatively normal life.
I don't think the idea of building cities to encourage freeloading is healthy as people are supposed to work and think. To give away your own personal equity is to give up your ambitions and freedom.
Stringyheads 1 week ago
To add to my last post. I don't like the attitudes of some of these Zeitgeist replying to posts saying if people don't except the concept then they will die. It sounds like a dictatorship system, A model of the proposed city style could fit in to the world without the bullshit of dictatorship. These could also be used in poor countries but people should be free to come and go as the feel without micro chips etc. Prison systems could also use this model and run self sufficient. TBC
Stringyheads 1 week ago
I agree with you on the over all concept Alex But i think the basic model can be used for Students, Unemployed, Aged care and retirement, as well as for anyone who chooses to live in a community like this.
This would help with world resources and will create jobs in the constructions of such cities.
I say it definitely has its place on earth but not as an only optune.
I don't agree with wind turbines being so close to the city and must allow for expansion. To be continued.
Stringyheads 1 week ago
Okay yes Alex has some good points, but a lot of it is nit picking & getting them on technicalities that they never expanded on as they're limited to 2 hours.
Could it be that he has a bias against the movie because it talks about Christianity & other religions being nonsense.
Seeing as Alex believes in Christianity and all.
I think Joe Rogan was right when he says that he agrees with 70% of what Alex Jones says.
skullcrushernz 1 week ago
Peter Joseph and Alex Jones are both wrong, but in opposite ways. Market freedom is a great tool for local optimization, but you have to curb its excesses at a national scale. The profit motive can be horribly destructive when you feed it via large transfers of wealth or when it gets monopoly constraint over entire industries, but you can create a system that blocks that, but still rewards people based on production. In short, both are wrong because there is hope.
sfjeff1089 2 weeks ago
Alex Jones did very well commenting on this film. A lot of good info but a lot of bad solutions and twisting of reality.
jneil2007 3 weeks ago
Humans are a sad excuse for a species - the sooner we die the better the planet! Stuff the Zeitgeist movement - lets kill ourselves on mass to create a cleaner green environment for all the poor animals on planet earth! Go green - get a vasectomy!
smearcamp 1 month ago
@smearcamp go take the venom out ur snake if it makes you feel better pal!
MultiCesh 3 weeks ago
@smearcamp YOU GO FIRST....muppet
allgoodand27 2 weeks ago
First, TZM will never evolve w/o a somewhat right-libertarian society, because if the government were to get involved, the project would turn into a nightmare. Because PJ rails against capitalism so much, he legitimizes the left, who want big government. I only like TZM because it's supposedly libertarian: i.e. nonviolent and noncoercive.
Finally, spirituality is 1 one thing, religion another. Some have experienced phenomena that can only be described as paranormal/ proof of the spiritual realm
amamerc 1 month ago
@amamerc And I'm increasingly becoming convinced that TZM has a penchant for Marxism. They denigrate capitalism, but the worst I've ever heard from PJ about Marxism is that "Marx had the wrong solutions." Marxism is a system which advocates socialism and total centralization of power into the state: it's the first stage of communism. Marxism necessitates totalitarianism (which can be "good," not necessarily genocidal). TZM should offer no praise for such a horrible, nihilistic system imo.
amamerc 1 month ago
We would have to introduce control over many things in order to make world actually functional. Do you agree with that?
mmarkomann 1 month ago
Imagine that we are all non-religious like you and well organized and we manage to overthrow them and set us all free from their influence. What would we do next?
mmarkomann 1 month ago
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diptdipt 1 month ago
" Science and technology has made a WORLD of plenty in harmony a reality, however the dominant minority interest has created the MARKET MECHANISM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY and THE WAGE SLAVERY of the working men and women for the abstract process of capital accumulation and concentration. If you can not comprehend these few words then your life journey is utter waste and distortion. A democratic majority political movement to transcend the dehumanising power structrues."
arzoyan 1 month ago
as this could be easily said about you... somthing tell me if you had a long discussion with peter, and not a small discussion over the radio... you would think differently.... as i beleive both of you to be good people...
cyborg20081 2 months ago
corection its already happening.... and what else would you expect... he is a christian and he is just doing everything to defend his religion as he as clearly spent a lot of his time promoting Christianity, and anything new is considered a sin or evil.... power ego and arrogance is evil and as long as the monetary system exist.... and a culture based on egoism and chauvanism exist their will always be wars.... the TZM is the overall solution.... and he is not trying to be slick..... as t
cyborg20081 2 months ago
alex jones is an childish... he just doesnt get it.... but i agree with what he say about the third world war and genocide.... it will happen VERY soon
cyborg20081 2 months ago
@cyborg20081 ..No you imbecile; you are the one who doesn't get it... you keep on blaming only the monetary system (like every mentally ill atheist commie do) as it that was the only problem in the world; Alex exposes the same thing and many other that ZeithGAY doesn't and he NEVER mentions christianity at all , so you are LYING .. YOU just don't get it because you are victim of the ATHEIST NWO's anti-christian, anti- religion propaganda, fed up to you ever since elementary school.
KeMoniito 2 months ago
@KeMoniito
Damn straight, have a Zeitroll trying to show me the LIGHT posting his UN Malthusian elitist diatribe.
Give me a break.
baconified 1 month ago
@mmarcomann, if you truly believe in what you're saying, you need to have your head examined. It's not your fault, so don't take it personally.
Bursayu 2 months ago
This mans voice makes me want to have someone barf on his children... Alex Jones I mean!!
baconpoptarts 2 months ago
Not all the Churches are corrupted, but many of them are...like everything else. They are also people prone to fall...
mmarkomann 2 months ago
I don't claim that Churches are not corrupted and good for avoiding, they are. But Jesus Christ IS Son of God. He was all human with divine nature. And He was cruelly, savagely, bestialy tortured and killed without any crime comitted ever. Zeitgeist says no, no, no, it is a part of fraud. Well, I believe in goodness and love and that people can actually be good and honest and love each other. Jesus Christ was preaching about love, goodness, honesty...
mmarkomann 2 months ago
Christianity doesn't serve as the mean of control of the masses. Quite the opposite, you can't control the mind of real Christian. You can't make him buy a lie. A lie like Zeitgeist.
mmarkomann 2 months ago
@mmarkomann You do realise that the biggest lie of all is the lie that there is a god? Christianity manages to be doing a great job of controlling people by making them believe that.
JustinRichards 2 months ago
@JustinRichards that is an absurd. If you would know a bit about Christianity, you wouldn't be able to lie yourself like this. You can't control a Christian. Many rulers tried it and even by threat of death and torture they didn't manage to make Christians think otherwise and obey.
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DJFNB 1 month ago
@JustinRichards if religion is used for controlling why those globalists do not represent themselves as religion people? Why are they trying to suppress Christian religion so hard when the church is usefull "tool" for controlling people's minds? You know, I am born in this world as it is, I can't do anything to change it. It is a way too corrupted and based on bad foundations that could be saved, so the Doomsday is certain as well as unavoidable. I am not free in material sense.
mmarkomann 1 month ago
@JustinRichards ...but I am free in a spiritual way which counts...and I choose to believe in God. It doesn't mean that I will not do whatever I can to resist evil in both material and spiritual way. So, my faith doesn't make myself a slave, the system implemented does. My country is secular so religion is not the way of everyday's life and is the matter of free choice. BUT, system is not the matter of choice. So, what is used for control?
mmarkomann 1 month ago
@JustinRichards Zeitgeist itself claims that money is used for controling people. They control the flow of money, or to be more precise they create money, they print it as much as they need to keep the most of the world enslaved. Religion is actually an obstacle for them because it doesn't glorify material things over spiritual. And, for the end: Peter Joseph is Jewish Zionist. His only purpose is to discredit our Lord Jesus Christ. The rest of the story is actually well known.
mmarkomann 1 month ago
@JustinRichards ...if someone has control over most of media, TV, radio, internet, why would they need religion? You are not religious, do they control you also? Do you claim that if someone is not religious, they wouldn't control him?
mmarkomann 1 month ago
Zeitgeist wants us to believe that everything is corrupted and a part of one big lie. Even Jesus Christ. That's the point. At least I think so...
Being Christian doesn't mean sit there like a sheep and accept everything without resistance. Quite the opposite. Real Christian loves, thinks and fights against lie. But that's another story...
mmarkomann 2 months ago
Jones sees into the minds of the elite - he is right on!
getbo 2 months ago
@getbo exactly...and not only. He is a man who explore everything and never accepts anything without deep thinking. Many times lies are very carefully hidden into some truthful story only to make someone buy the whole mixture. So someone accept 99% of truth together with 1%. It's like you eat 99% of healthy food (if you find any) with 1% of rotten food. The whole meal will make you seek or even kill you.
mmarkomann 2 months ago
Does anyone here know who is Peter Joseph, the creator of Zeitgeist?
mmarkomann 2 months ago
Yes, we desperately need change. But I don't need world "without" God...
mmarkomann 2 months ago
Zeitgeist is very carefully fabricated hoax...
mmarkomann 2 months ago
So much ignorance for zietgeist fans and alex jones fans alike, we both have one goal, that is to stop tyranny. We are fighting with the wrong people!
FiveStarFuhrer 3 months ago
@FiveStarFuhrer, not quite right...
mmarkomann 2 months ago
@mmarkomann How so?
FiveStarFuhrer 2 months ago
@FiveStarFuhrer I agree: stop tyranny. But who is the tyrant...or, who are the tyrants? How to find those tyrants? How to recognize them? Who should we fight against? The enemy is very capable of hiding itself and luring us into multitude of wrong directions. I think that Zeitgeist's main function is to discredit the Truth of the Bible. The rest 90% of the storyline of Zeitgeist is actually truth, though not complete. You see the method of tyrants? Disguise, deceive, hide, mix truth with lies.
mmarkomann 2 months ago
@mmarkomann The tyrants are the globalists who rule the world, and as for the bible part, Everything in the zeitgeist movie is based on facts. Look it up. I certainly did. You probably think thats there main function because it had such an effect on you because it made you think. Lead yoru own life is what the message is and not have a book lead it for you. Its that simple.
FiveStarFuhrer 2 months ago
@FiveStarFuhrer, so let Zeitgeist lead my life for me?
Man, there is always some "book" we rely on, since our childhood...there's always something that has influence on our way of thinking, reasoning etc. The point is who you are going to put your trust in. There are always some facts and "facts" (much more) we use to make some conclusion. Facts are what they use to manipulate us, so as for the bible part, Zeitgeist is full of half-facts that may lead someone to distort conclusions
mmarkomann 2 months ago
This is complete bullshit, you have no idea what the fuck youre talking about because you refuse to see anything besides your point of view. Alex Jones you are a failure.
pommyrooter 3 months ago
THIS MAN IS VERY DECEPTIVE. DO NOT GET TIED UP IN HIS WORDS. PEOPLE SHOULD BE USING TECHNOLOGY THAT CORPORATIONS HAVE HIDEN AWAY WITH PATENTS! YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SLAVE FOR FOOD AND SHELTER. AND USE FOSSIL FULES THAT MY GREAT GRAND FATHER USED TO POWER HIS MODE OF TRANSPORTATION. do not be ignorant change is coming. LOVE WILL PREVAIL .MONEY IS PURE EVIL & SO IS OIL. CHANGE IS COMING.
BigWillyStyles5 3 months ago
@BigWillyStyles5 REALLY?
mmarkomann 2 months ago
this dude is trying to refuse ths information without base, if you want to refuse this documental, you should play the whole film..... cuz you can refuse some fragments, if you dont show certain information
rancherito 3 months ago
If you complain about the term 'conspiracy theorist' as if it used to devaluate in advance whatever uncommon theory you wish to propose, then refrain from using the term 'bleeding hearts'. because you are in essence doing the same thing. Devaluating someone's outlook right of the bat because you can't deal with the possible reality of it.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 3 months ago
everyone can't be equal? you're missing the point here big guy. Kids know pnly what they are born into. If they're born into a society full of jealousy and anger they will probably be that. If they are born into a truly economic and caring environment they describe no such thoughts would even occur. all i know is we need change. not a new law not a new president. we need a new system WORLD system i wish people would wake the fuck up
GiozRockin 3 months ago
"piece but peeshe"
willrey10 3 months ago
i watched sounded to me like a bunch of marxist nonsense
cavhoki 3 months ago
Jones has a point in that Joseph does not understand the implication of 60 years of black projects.
needparalegal 3 months ago
His name is Peter Joseph dumb ass.
needparalegal 3 months ago
Alex doesn't get that as long as there is property, there will be inequality, and those with more will be the ones in control. Control is not derived from having some intangible 'power', it is by having more resources than others; power is from owning resources. There can't be a one world 'government' of that type in TVP because there is no property. The govt will be the people themselves, and not their 'representatives.'
piax00 3 months ago
this guys an idiot
I like the idea of the venus project
and the philosophies they talk about in zeitgeist
the product that alex is trying to sell is that they want to "control" and slowly kill us
why? because they want to just because...zeitgeist breaks it all down to a simple idea
"they do this to us for the simple reason of profit" and because the monetary system that we are under gives us no choice but to kill each other just to live....alex jones spreads too much apathy and paranoia
Diao7 3 months ago
Some poeple are just too paranoid. There can NEVER be ANYTHING that happens in the world without people screaming NWO. Can't you give humanity more credit for being creative and moving forward and evolving? Stop living in fear and grow!
apolloxtcy 3 months ago
The Venus Project is nothing more than a N.W.O. ploy.
You'd also need serious de-population in order for a "sustainable" resource based economy to work.
BTW- no matter how bad things get the current "profit in destruction" system will always work. Always has and always will.
MrBOPESquad2 3 months ago
Only a reactionary imbecile on the level of Alex Jones would seriously assert that Karl Marx inspired the processes occurring within our predominant social institutions. What ridiculous twaddle!
TheRevScare 3 months ago
If there was more short-term profit to be made through the utilization of alternative energy sources, then the dominant energy interests would shift toward such technology. However, until they can consolidate the rights to a sufficient number of alternative energy industries and find profitable avenues of production and distribution that are at least on par with those currently existing for oil and fossil fuels, no progress will be made.
Alex Jones is a simpleton who obscures genuine issues.
TheRevScare 3 months ago
It is "consolidation" of power only insofar as the major energy corporations dominate the energy market and thus exert a disproportionate amount of influence over energy policy. This is the logical progression of capitalism. The "bottom line," however, must be met. The primary objective is always profit (unless a social movement rises to threaten the system), as this allows them to maximize returns to the owners, which perpetuates the privilege of the capitalist class.
TheRevScare 3 months ago
People are so ignorant.., especially Americans !!! Most of them don't really know much about the World and it's history and never have been anywhere in the World, but they have opinions on everything. It is mostly because of Americans that our World looks the way it does.
The truth is, that We, humans as a current civilization are doomed !!
We'll be one step from distinction as species and people will still be against each other !!
"My country is my planet" and "My religion is to do good"
iwousa 3 months ago
alex jones, you are a very smart man and your analytical powers are unmatched in certain cases. I commend you for you trying to better human understanding and intellect and for fighting to better our species. However, your means are fundamentally and psychologically flawed because you do not cater to the views of the average citizen. Your ideas and ways of presenting them are geared toward people who already agree with you. Not toward those who still need awakening.
horomsim1 3 months ago
@horomsim1 That's fine because the people he helps to inform are able to spread the message in millions of other ways.
venomousbird 3 months ago
@mikerowphone "little workers".... Nice choice of words. Your answer is predictable. Sounds like a preachy father or maybe a "Job creator"... Are you saying those that don't work, have no sense of purpose? Or is it that, the only way to feel pride is to EARN something? Now I don't think it was ever an attack on work, as much as an attack on your empowering money... We have had a lot of years with money, power, and religion, and yet there is still kings on thrones, and peasants in the fields.
MrAmerica004 3 months ago
WE NEED ONLY LISTEN TO REALIZE ZM REPEATEDLY MENTIONS WEALTH CENTRALIZATION,AND SUGGESTS WAYS TO DECENTRALIZE. JONES IS AGAIN TALKING TO HEAR HIS OWN VOICE. COMMUNISM,SOCIALISM, FASCISM/CAPITALISM ALL PREACH DEMOCRACY,AND PRACTICE PLUTOCRACY. THEY,RE ALL FAILED SYSTEMS THAT PEOPLE WONT LOOK BEYOND. PJ ADMITS ZM IS NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM,BUT ONE TO CONSIDER AS A ALTERNATIVE. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE TO DO WITH THEIR TIME. TIME TO GET OFF THE TREAD-MILL PEOPLE. WE,RE NOT SLAVES.
61TUNER 4 months ago
This guy is an annoying idiot.
scottydfa 4 months ago
If Alex knows so fucking much about the world why not fucking help make it a better place instead of talking shit about people all the time! You make a better film. just another critic TZM dont give a shit what you think just a fool stopping progress telling people what they cant do with no solutions ........ TVP all day!!
OxziiMoron 4 months ago
Shut the fuck up... you don't have any idea of what you saying... you need to open you eyes to the problems existing in this world.
15kardozo 4 months ago
HEY ALEX I'D RATHER PREFER SOMEONE WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT AND MAKES THINGS AND PERSONS EQUAL....THAN SOME PUPPET POLITICIANS WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES AND TO KEEP THEIR GREEDY POCKETS FULL OF MONEY AS WELL!!!
AND OUR NATURAL RESOURCES WHAT???? LET'S RUN OUT OF THEM???
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN AFRICA????
LUCKY YOU WEREN'T BORN THERE SOAB!
tabarnak1985 4 months ago
@tabarnak1985 I totally agree with you
15kardozo 4 months ago
good job Alex Jones!
this zietgeist shit got to be the silliest communist propaganda I've ever seen in a long time!
OrganicKing 4 months ago
@OrganicKing communist propaganda??? retarded cunt go check the definition of communism in the diocionarie before you post ignorant comment on youtube!!!!
15kardozo 4 months ago
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OrganicKing 4 months ago
Both Peter Joseph and Alex Jones need to pull their heads outta their ass. All conspiracy sheep need to pull their fuckin heads outta their ass!
ilisbaani 4 months ago
Tell these idiots about the Theosophical Society Alex! Show them the symbol the order uses!
Deadheadgypsy 4 months ago
@Deadheadgypsy I have done it myself and I will tell you now it is easier to show my cat a card trick.
tonymalone501 4 months ago
LOL @ the 11-hundred+ Alex Jones Mind Zombies that voted like. fuck Alex Jones I knew he was fake from the start, Before any of this shit. I've always disliked this asshole. He clearly has a hidden agenda and many are too stupid to see that. people say wake up when they're trapping their minds in an endless cycle of excessive questioning to answers we already know. Alex Jones hasn't proved any of his conspiracy theories. He just feeds you the same shit over and over. God, I pitty his followers.
LM4277 4 months ago
@LM4277 yeah fuck this ignorant asshole!!! alex jones knows shit!!!
15kardozo 4 months ago
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Gooodwitch 4 months ago
No one wants to come in second. I can understand this, but prefer the approach the Zeitgeist film propose contrary to the almost evangelistic raving AJ preaches.
EonBlueApocolypse 4 months ago
the people on here bashing alex jones need to wake up. half the shit in zeitgeist comes directly out of agenda 21. ive read 120 pages of agenda 21 so don't even try to troll me on this one
Dman222000 4 months ago
Power Hungry is the same thing as greedy...
chance1234567890 4 months ago
I think Alex Jones means well, but he is too caught up in his own fears to see clearly. His patriotism to a nation-state (and outdated concept that needs be eliminated) is holding him back from realizing a better way to live in the world. Unlike Zeitgeist, AJ has no ideas on how to create a better world; AJ has a personal problem with Zeitgeist, probably out of fear and jealousy.
No one has all the answers, but I prefer the ideas of Zeitgeist over the rants of Alex Jones.
dhpang 4 months ago
@dhpang Thanks, was about to post something in the same lines, totaly agre.
FelipeMunita 4 months ago
Fuck Alex Jones, i lost all my respect on him...
BeatnikFromHell666 4 months ago
@BeatnikFromHell666 why?, he's just giving point of view
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justicepartyuk 5 months ago
Come on peoples!!! ALEX JONES IS A FRAUD AND A LIAR. Show me otherwise by give me the links and the time where Alex fortold about 9\11, about the Terror in Norway and so on. Anders B. Breivik could not have reached the 32th degree freemason in his age. You don't even rise one level a year either. Dumbasses
HowardTheServant 5 months ago
these people handing down the technology. What total utter bullshit. there's either commercial or opensource both work in communities with the commercial ones ran somewhat by business idiots, somewhat by technical minds and somewhat by government. Alex jones gives the elite to much credit (space ships my ass).
QPWimblik 5 months ago
As much as I think Alex Jones is a great guy for sharing information with us, he misinterpreted the Zeitgeist movie claiming false claims. For example, the part about saying "work is bad" is not what the movie is actually saying. The movie is saying that the monotonous jobs should be done by machines while the humans can concentrate on much more important jobs, for example, education, and health care. I'm sorry Alex Jones, I think you pushed it a bit too far by claiming that this movie is bad.
12NiBer12 5 months ago
@12NiBer12 I have to completely agree with you ! I like alex jones and follow him constantly by reading his websites and news. But what he said about Zeitgeist, i dont agree with. They offer the best solutions for man kind, and I have been to their meetings frequently. It is a very well thought out movement. Ok, so maybe they didnt get the political details correct as Alex Jones claims, but If Zeitgeist is also been criticized, what else is left in the world that he wont criticize?!
khellel 4 months ago
@khellel Great, finally someone who fully understands what I tried to say, does not go into an open war with me and actually furthers my thoughts. So, thank you! :)
12NiBer12 4 months ago
bill cooper said your a schill you phony bitch
peterfusco1 5 months ago
/watch?v=J09UVTZG01U&NR=1
im sorry to tell all of you Zeitgeist believers this but, the elite made Zeitgeist. this just proves it. I know that most of you will dislike it straight away. but alex is the only person who tells the truth
Cbr0Rider 5 months ago
@Cbr0Rider Read the first top-rated comment under that video. That's exactly what I want to say to you, Alex and anyone else that seeks to criticize without providing any constructive ideas in return.
SourRevenge 5 months ago
you have the nerve to judge this , you are joke , a schill!!!!
peterfusco1 5 months ago
I watched and I like documentary films by PJ and AJ, but here Alex is just talking nonsense, I don't agree with him here.
erasmusso 5 months ago
Spending 100's of trillions of dollars? no such money is owned by these companies, nor may it even exist to be spent, billions maybe u fool!!
DannyCorradi16 5 months ago
omg,guys please wake up.alex "money grabbing" is a fear mongering liar.just google"alex jones y2k" and "alex jones racial attacks in london" and u would realize how credible alex jones really is.
geiuy 5 months ago
there he is playing the part of the rebel and kicking shit in a valid and sane organization willing to create a sane world. Shitface Jones is a troublemaker trying to get red necks to fight the government and incite violence. I dont know who is he working for but watch out for this piece of crap.
rockerdc 5 months ago
"...and human nature doesn't work that way." I know this was part of the 2nd and 3rd Zeitgeist films, but I believed this before I saw them. Human nature is not a constant! It is based on environment, and there evidence supporting that fact everywhere. People are not born with with genetically-based personality traits-the reason you might be stubborn like your mom is because you lived with her throughout your entire childhood! If you had been raised by someone else you would be different.
SourRevenge 5 months ago
"...but that means there's always a group above you that are going to be handing out things to quote 'the people that are equal.'" That is actually what is happening today. The majority of people today are handed down technology by corporations. "Oh the latest iPad-I must have it! Oh wow! A HYBRID car! So HIGH-TECH!" In a society where higher education isn't restricted by competition and money, people will truly be more equal, and not blindly led by politicians and corporate advertising.
SourRevenge 5 months ago
I loved first Z movie and the first half of the second one, disagreed and was disgusted with everything after that. I think Alex is doing a pretty good job by warning people about the dangers of this utopia.
serolog2 5 months ago
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In all this game,the devil is the victim,is the scapegoat,will be accused of everything cause the GOD don’t want any rivals*.Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form,following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments-including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil cause he is just a temporary puppet.*HE picked intentionally an “adversary” to show that nobody have more power than HIM.
diptdipt 5 months ago
ok
this is a bit mad
alex is stuck in a money making world
step outside and open your mind and be part of a future of peace and love for life
not work,money,beer,tv,games,sport,fatty food,cars,pets.
so alex sell your dvds and take your part in the machine of the usa
money = slave
oDOGBOYo 5 months ago
What Alex Jones doesnt realize is, WHAT THE FUCK are people going to do for a living when almost every single JOB out there in the real world is and will be done by a robot? Because the the system as we know it NOW demands that you make your product the cheapest way possible. And what is cheaper than getting rid of the human component? You fucking dumbass, all you have to do is look at the Auto Industry to find your answer!! WHENEVER POSSIBLE, the Industry gets rid of the human JOB!!
mannymmv 5 months ago
This guy is good. I like and agree with a lot that is in Zeitgeist, however the movie creator does have an atheist agenda if you really pay attention.
gurucarcar 5 months ago
@gurucarcar What the fuck is an atheist agenda? The Zeitgeist Movement has absolutely nothing to do with religion.
miridem 5 months ago
@miridem exactly.
gurucarcar 5 months ago
Fat shit
capo2k8 5 months ago
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arzoyan 5 months ago
BOoooooooo Alex.
Go Peter, Go! And I don´t give a fuck about Peter´s real name, I just care about how much sense he makes when he talks and how much I agree with what he says.
Go Peter, Go!
raultejedor 5 months ago
the creator of the movie spent countless of hours to prove their point... this guy must be a genius to make bold statements while running out of mins...
been wondering if i should take part of the movement: NOW because of this guys futile attempt to convince me not to... i have the answer..
-THANK YOU ALEX JONES FOR PROVING THAT THE ZEITGEIST RIGHT AND ThaT YOU are.... WRONG!!!....
AndressThePublic 5 months ago
@AndressThePublic That is a great reason to follow a movement ! Sarcasm off/ Fucking idiot.
benjak21 5 months ago
Respond to this video... He makes sense if you dont know how the world works. Fucking Idiot.
benjak21 5 months ago
did this guy watch the movie? doesnt it state we all work together as 1. no leader? and it also talks about human nature
Jacob96159 5 months ago
Most of them truly wanted to help society and many of the products we see in our every day life are products of scientific ingenuity. Most scientist realize that the greatest gift is helping others.
These films are not anti-christian and actually speak against technical elitism or any other form of elitism.
contactbrewer 5 months ago
Machines do not have emotions or feel the desire for power. They would not take over the world unless we programmed them to do so. If you follow all of history, there have been few "power hungry" scientists who shared dreams of world domination. .....
contactbrewer 5 months ago
The comments about transportation hardly makes sense. Joseph said "corrupt profit interests". He didn't even use the word greed. Go ahead and check this video.
Working is a form of slavery for most people. The poorer you are, the harder you have to work and the more you are treated like a machine.
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contactbrewer 5 months ago
I'm glad this guy is passionate about helping society, but it doesn't seem like he really listened to or took this film in without simply dismissing it as Marxism, Communism or Technocratic Elitism. The Zeitgeist films propose a completely different system then any of that has ever been tried in the past: a high tech society unlike anything we've ever seen...
Joseph eventually released his last name. He did not want to do so to preserve his anonymity and safety.
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contactbrewer 5 months ago
All I have to say is... Read "The Best That Money Can't Buy" by Jacque Fresco. Then tell me what your objections are--if you have any left to present.
contactbrewer 5 months ago
I thought about The Venus Project being apart of the NWO , although there isn't any money in this system so it can't be. and Jacque Fresco talks against anyone controlling anything
sferlazza01 5 months ago
@sferlazza01 The whole idea is too good to be true, that's why it's VERY fishy. They want to sell it to everyone that all of a sudden we're going to get everyone in the world can agree and move forward with their plan. It's BS because it's not going to happen this way without someone suffering. Also it's going to be invite-only because it's not going to be able to house everyone for centuries... I'm pretty sure they're trying to pull the wool over the eyes of most of us.
NooneNewer 5 months ago
No money = no power. If the elites have no power to manipulate others how will they remain in control? They cant! Zeitgeist is the biggest threat to their power structure.
simmagnus 5 months ago
I love alex but he is just judging it not giving an answer to the problem, if you defeat the globalist's but keep basically there same system, they will just rise again and again and again, thats why you have to change it all.
shanepealow44 5 months ago
@shanepealow44 Who are you to say just changing the system is going to being an end to corruption and tyranny, and how is being a hypocrite helping? Aren't you just judging also?
What is that Zeitgeist guy doing besides offering very general ideas and building little models that use technology that we don't even have? Hes like a kid playing with an erector set, all his years and not really anything accomplished.
Martial024 5 months ago
@Martial024 Who are you to say I can or cannot say? How am I a hypocrite? I have been watching alex for awhile now and I respect his passion, but I see alot of thought and passion in zeitgeist also and giving a very plausible and thoughtout answer to a problem. Alex as much as I like him usually is just mad and gives fear, zietgeist gives fear but an answer to it. And when you actually create something intellegent and thought out enough to challenge it, then you can ridicule.
shanepealow44 5 months ago
@shanepealow44 search for: Zeitgeist, History Rewritten - Chris White
search for: The 'Real' Zeitgeist Challenge" DEBUNKED
search for: Zeitgeist addendum is NWO propaganda
search for : 2012 Enlightenment & the World Genocide
search for: Satanic Priest Explains Pop Culture Brainwash
search for: They are Misleading You
search for: Mystery Schools - The Externalization of the Hierarchy
search for : Michael Tsarion is Wrong a Debunkumentary
search for : Jordan Maxwell Debunked
notjam3 5 months ago
@notjam3 Decadence is a difficult word to use since it has become little more than a term of abuse applied by critics to anything they do not yet understand or which seems to differ from their moral concepts.-Ernest Hemingway
shanepealow44 5 months ago
@shanepealow44 She stated that all religions originate from the same spiritual source, and that humanity will eventually come to realize this, and as they do so, the result will be the emergence of a universal world religion and a "new world order." "Alice Bailey"
notjam3 5 months ago
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@notjam3 search for: Zeitgeist, History Rewritten - Chris White
search for: The 'Real' Zeitgeist Challenge" DEBUNKED
search for: Zeitgeist addendum is NWO propaganda
search for : 2012 Enlightenment & the World Genocide
search for: Satanic Priest Explains Pop Culture Brainwash
search for: They are Misleading You
search for: Mystery Schools - The Externalization of the Hierarchy
search for : Michael Tsarion is Wrong a Debunkumentary
search for : Jordan Maxwell Debunked
notjam3 5 months ago
@notjam3 That literally has nothing to do with what we are discussing lol
shanepealow44 5 months ago
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@shanepealow44
search for: Zeitgeist addendum is NWO propaganda
search for : 2012 Enlightenment & the World Genocide
search for: Mystery Schools - The Externalization of the Hierarchy to better understand how Alice Bailey and Zeitgeist have the same goals.
notjam3 5 months ago
Peter Joseph states that it's greed. Then Alex Jones states it's not just greed, it's about centralisation and power. I got news for you buddy. That's Greed!
LTHauritz 5 months ago
COOL bullshit competing with bullshit
ray4ix 5 months ago
What a fucking meathead.
rockman1969 6 months ago
Alex I beg of you, watch jacque fresco and his interviews on youtube...I know what you think about these clips you are showing but you don't see the bigger picture..I thought the same thing..that everyone is free but you still have people giving orders so you cant really be free...but please look into the Venus Project and i know that Jacque Fresco would be more than glad to talk to you...I am sorry but you are backing this up with stuff that you think they are saying.
bogi4589 6 months ago
our grandchild will look back at this video and laugh at how primitive the previous era was
henqkynism 6 months ago
Alex Jones is a moron.
captainblackshirt 6 months ago
I like Alex Jones's work. But his IQ went really down with his feedbacks on this movie. He did not see the big picture at all.
ddcd2106 6 months ago
I see the jury is out on this one! Very similar likes and dislikes :-)
olddouchebag 6 months ago
This guy has no idea what he is talking about. This kind of linear thinking is what got us into this mess in the first place
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zabelicious 6 months ago
I agree with the mode of transportation that someone else will profit considerable amount of money or control. What would be your best solution without greed or control ? If a change could be done, I would eradicate ultimate richness and put a cap on everybody's earning and gain. Nobody should earn anymore than the next guy. (That's my belief. If we want to, we can)
OriginalJami 6 months ago
Not only mode of transportation but everything that's created.
OriginalJami 6 months ago
Aren't you and Zeistgeist addendum pointing in the same general direction ?
Best regards
Mario
OriginalJami 6 months ago
first you have to check everything about the Venus Project and talk to Jacques Fresco or at least watch all of his lectures and then criticize the project...you are not alone; most people compare it to a lot of old establishment systems and it is not...please do your research thoroughly next time before you talk!
bogi4589 6 months ago in playlist ANTI-ZEITGEIST
I know this vid was posted in 08, but I certainly hope that you, Mr Jones, and the Zeigeist crew have made a link up. It only takes a mere "sparks of few intrusted souls" to begin something that do nothing but flourish humanity, as a whole, in a direction of a positive venture. (PERIOD)
MessIahmake 6 months ago
...zoginated
TwyfordianArc 6 months ago
Yeah, that's the way to go folks. Replace one totalitarian Regime with another and while we're at it enslave the human race.
rustyrusky 6 months ago
I wonder if Alex Jones watched Zeitgeist. Alex wants to use human nature as a reason nothing new will work. Didn't Zeitgeist spend 2 hours explaining human nature? Wow Alex....over your head a little?
mrbigtruth34 6 months ago
@Egosumfortis You talk a lot but don't say much.
benjak21 6 months ago
I like how Alex Jones stands up for what he believes in. Fresco says in Zeitgeist that peoples opinions should be acknowledged and if someone is proven wrong then their opinion should be celebrated. Well done for giving your opinion Alex
topgunexcel 6 months ago
this guy doesn't make one single relevant point
MrHectorMaximus 6 months ago
they say people dont need to work the oldpeople want to work because they a only hear that all the time in lif in tv in school everware you cant live without but if maschines work we can do other thinks think about things travel to the univers invent things locking after or familie and so go on
Ikazu1991 6 months ago
Why did he start so far into the documentary? Hmm, I guess he didn't have a problem with anything prior to that....
4DaMovieGuru 6 months ago
Nothing will ever come of the Zeitgeist Movement. Their members are too lazy to every actually attempt to implement any of their ideas. Show me a model Zeitgeist Land of 50 people who do not end up starving or killing each other within 1 year and we can talk. PJ has done well though - he gets to travel all around the world and have sex with lots of different women - good for him
Myway8020 6 months ago
Peter Joseph simply knows nothing about Economics. i bet he doesn't even know what the Austrian School of Economics is. Technology does replace human labor. These humans then get to go produce new things, goods or services that have never been produced before. Thus making society wealthier. The problem is not money. The problem is we are forced to convert our productivity into fiat money by legal tender laws. This fiat money is then controlled and manipulated by governments and private banks.
benjak21 6 months ago
Alex must disagree with this if you look at it from his perspective. He has built his character and his business around around conspiracy and mystery and whatnot. Alex himself psychologically needs an enemy to expose. While I think alex's intentions are good in his own mind, ultimately he is wasting energy that could be spent finding an alternative. Agreeing with Peter Josephs angle and ideas is a big threat to his identity. He may not have the energy left to manage such a character shift.
EEKman71 6 months ago
@EEKman71 no...it's just zeitgeist makes good points and then fucks it up by blaming it on the "profit motive"
AustereAustrian 6 months ago
I watched Collapse by Ruppert and Zeitgeist back to back. I've spent years studying world history and sociological evolution. If i keep my mind open to others views and do not fear questions I am able to learn more. I have often found I had tunnel vision and my view was limited.I encourage questions and seek input. I have never found one single thing that is truth in all ways but truth (relative?) comes from a complex interaction of many views and facts. If my mind snaps shut I'm a prisoner.
poiuytrewq6195 6 months ago
Alex is just trying to pick apart ideas but is missing the main point of the zeitgeist films. He perceives ideas as wrong in his mind which is looking at it from the present context of things.
Money is, among other things, a major form of control. People believe that money gives you everything you need to survive and people are literally forced to pursue money because, in the current structure of society, there is no other way. Money has no true value if people don't need it.
matrix7able 6 months ago
@matrix7able Money is necessary for trade. Without money you have bartering. Without either you have subsistence living = poverty. Division of labor is good. People can become skilled in one area. They need money to trade that specific skills productivity for other peoples productivity. Society cannot exist without money. Period.
benjak21 6 months ago
@benjak21 humans can easily exist without money. In this 3 dimensional reality and societal paradigm we currently exist in, it is hard to imagine this, but you can. And not only can we exist, but spiritually and energetically we can have a more fruitful and abundant existence.
organikness 6 months ago
@organikness How? How would communicate value? Profit? Loss? Productivity? Money is not a construct of governments. Currency is. There is a distinct difference. Money is what free human beings use to store value and facilitate trade. Currency is artificial money, manipulated by central banks and politicians. It has no innate value.
benjak21 6 months ago
@benjak21 Money is not necessary for trading, it's just a substitute when you have nothing of interest to the other person to "trade". Division of labour is irrelevant. Currently (In a society like the one we have now), money is needed to trade skills & productivity etc, but in a society without money, where it's not based on the idea of profit (self-interest), everyone then works for the benefit of everyone, simple as that. Past native societies didn't need money, so your wrong.
matrix7able 5 months ago
@matrix7able Don't be so fucking economically ignorant like almost everyone else on this page defending Zeitgeist. The situation you are describing is called the Barter System. In this system if you dont have exactly what the other guy wants/needs and he doesnt have exactly what you want/need, you are shit out of luck. That is precisely why humanity created money in the first place. To store productivity and to facilitate trade. Get central banks and governments out of it. That will remedy it.
benjak21 5 months ago
@benjak21 Maybe removing central banks & governments from society will remedy it, but only for some time, that's not the core issue. The issue (directly speaking) is not that there are governments or central banks, the core issue is that people with money hold power over people without, and that affects everything including governments and banks. Money leaves those who don't possess it in a place of dependency. That dependency causes people, in desperation, to do things they normally wouldn't.
matrix7able 5 months ago
... So yes, money is cool, it works very well when you take the power it has over people out of the equation. Money worked well in a time where things weren't so available, but now things are different. Have you ever played the game monopoly, its a good example. Not only that but natural technological advancement of society actually slowly works against the system of money because through self-interest. People would rather employ a machine instead of man etc, and that trend won't stop.
matrix7able 5 months ago
Alex!?! What are you doing..? I love your work but I also love the zeitgeist movement.. theres no need to critique a good documentary.
xchelsy 7 months ago