If anyone makes a video with this load deploying around obstacles or parallel to an engine, please post it here. This video was made to show my department one of many hose load options. It's not the greatest video but it did EVENTUALLY win over tradition--which dies HARD! This was certainly a pain in the *** project but worth it
I'm with you Steve, i hoped to switch to the shoulder load but due to "resistance" (attitudes), the triple flat was the only option I could get the department to move to. It's an improvement from the flat load. Most people I've talked to that use the this load (triple flat--philly hose) use it on preconnected cross lays. Indianapolis (after it went metro) uses the philly hose on any cross lays; however, it's predominantly the surrounding area depts that merged into IFD that use it.
This works great for exterior firefighting, If you plan on going into a burning building it still makes more sense to use a minuteman or a shoulder load, that way you can take hose into the building on your shoulder and flake it out. send me your powerpoint on loading and deployment. I am framiliar with this through the air force, but I know most departments that use it dont see a lot of fire. Compare the minuteman to triple load and it will lose. Steves88LX@yahoo.com
Good video but a flat hose lays is made so it flakes off ure shoulder 1 section at a time..... at least thats how my station does it and it comes off alot better every time.... but every1 is different
In Philly we call it triple pack and as the previous post said it can be difficult if it's a short distance from the wagon to the front door. We used triple pack for 10 years and just went back to a split flat, similar to DCFD and our guys liked the triple pack but they love the split flat pack.
every single triple fold demonstration i see on youtube is always the same. A straight stretch, unimpeded by obstacles, and not realistic. Never is 50 working feet at the objective. All hose is always stretched on the ground. And NEVER have I seen a video where it's pulled parallel to the engine, within 5-10 feet of the engine. The triple fold is great, if you don't care about overcoming the realities of the fireground.
hey i just joined my local FD and i know what the cross lay is but i have no clue what the pilly hose or flat load is. could you please explain for me
The flat load is actually a very efficeint load. However, it is only efficient when it is used correctly. In this video, the flat lay was certainly not pulled the right way. The other load looks like a triple lay...
The flat load is actually a very efficeint load. However, it is only efficient when it is used correctly. In this video, the flat lay was certainly not pulled the right way. The other load looks like a tripple lay...
Try using a coiled hose 'bundle' to deploy in a matter of seconds and without the need to arrange the hose to remove the kinks. Go to 3 w's period hftfire period com I patented the coil method in 2001 inclujding the device that both rolls and coils hose to its MINIMUM INSIDE CRITICAL DIAMETER. I learned this method as a wildland fire fighter in 1981, introduced it to structural fire fighting in 1991, and invented the device that does it all so one firefighter can do the work of four in second
Try using a coiled hose 'bundle' to deploy in a matter of seconds and without the need to arrange the hose to remove the kinks. Go to 3 w's period hftfire period com I patented the coil method in 2001 inclujding the device that both rolls and coils hose to its MINIMUM INSIDE CRITICAL DIAMETER. I learned this method as a wildland fire fighter in 1981, introduced it to structural fire fighting in 1991, and invented the device that does it all so one firefighter can do the work of four in second
I work in Philly and nobody uses anything like this. It certainly shouldn't be called a Philly Load if they never used it in Philly!! Worked previously in a department that used the triple and hated it (and yes, we trained quite a bit).
This is a great load if you practice, don't let people tell you it's not we've been using it for years and practice. The other thing is it's not only for long stretches you just need to pull it correctly. We use one person to pull it corners or no corners and we also grab the middle layer of hose in the middle of the hose and pull it toward the building this gives you an extra 50' at the front door of the building.
Philly load, triple tier. If you have to go around a corner it takes 2 people. Take the hose out of the bale, FF#2 takes the bight that was in the bale and goes out towards the rear of the truck, FF#1 (nozzleman) starts heading towards the front of the truck. Once you have a good amount flaked back towards the rear of the truck FF#2 can post at the corner and feed more hoseline to FF #1.
Call it what you want. Indianapolis Fire calls the load "Philly hose" and uses it on all their crosslays. That's who showed it to me.
Cornering is tough! I'd take that over the rats nest we used to get (as shown in the video). This video was put together to pitch the idea for a new hose load to the entire department. It worked. We've deployed it on a number of fires since with one hiccup; the nozzle got wedged inside the speedlay but the load still deployed.
No 1. It's called the triple flat not the Philly Load. No 2, try taking it around the corner and not straight off the side and see how great it is then. Then triple flat is a joke if you have to go around anything. Much easier to through 100 live 100 dead.
This was the way the department was teaching everyone for the last ??? many years. I went along with it until I could prove how crazy and inefficient it really was. I used this video to change the minds of the Officers, change tradition, and switch all the crosslays to the Philly load. It's painful to watch right?!
we have the same hose load on our trucks in virginia. well some places. we call it a S-Load or a Triple Lay. the best thing about it is that you can charge the line after you pull all the hose off the truck. you don't have to flake it out, but i can deploy a minute man a whole lot faster than that walking
You go through all the effort to show this philly load technique but than fail to show how you pack the truck to achieve this technique.
We have a flat load on our truck and it does not come out like how your guy pulled it out. However, we are always willing to look at new ways. Can you show how you pack the truck.
triple fold is an idiot proof load. basically it's designed for departments that have long lays, no obstructions to go around, overzealous firefighters that like to grab the nozzle and run, and lack of training. train with the flat load, and deploy it properly and you will find that yes, it may take a couple extra seconds, but is much more efficient in the long run.
All cross-lays on Indianapolis Metro Fire have the Philly Hose. I'm not sure anyone uses the modified flat load like we used to. If they do, they should watch this video and try out something new.
Since the beginning of time, our department had every cross-lay loaded with the load demonstrated here. It was a modified flat load. It had two loops: one on the bottom and one 20' from the end. The loops were meant to be pulled simultaneously in order to deploy the entire 200' with one motion. It always came out in a tangled heap, leaving the firefighter frustrated and frantic to remove kinks--thus the reason for this video and a need to change to something quicker and easier.
No kidding. A flat load is just that..It comes from the top down. My next question is...who loads a flat load to be pulled like that. The tripple load does work well unless you are 50' away from the truck as you enter a building and have to go around corners. This is a pre determined demonstration.
como se acomoda la manguera en el camión para hacer este despliegue,les agradecería me contesten gracias y saludos
trancasist 2 months ago
lol we used the tripleload for more than 10 years in the Airforce FD...Guess it takes awhile for good things to catch on!!
mjsvmr00 2 months ago
If anyone makes a video with this load deploying around obstacles or parallel to an engine, please post it here. This video was made to show my department one of many hose load options. It's not the greatest video but it did EVENTUALLY win over tradition--which dies HARD! This was certainly a pain in the *** project but worth it
firechap31 3 months ago
I'm with you Steve, i hoped to switch to the shoulder load but due to "resistance" (attitudes), the triple flat was the only option I could get the department to move to. It's an improvement from the flat load. Most people I've talked to that use the this load (triple flat--philly hose) use it on preconnected cross lays. Indianapolis (after it went metro) uses the philly hose on any cross lays; however, it's predominantly the surrounding area depts that merged into IFD that use it.
firechap31 3 months ago
This works great for exterior firefighting, If you plan on going into a burning building it still makes more sense to use a minuteman or a shoulder load, that way you can take hose into the building on your shoulder and flake it out. send me your powerpoint on loading and deployment. I am framiliar with this through the air force, but I know most departments that use it dont see a lot of fire. Compare the minuteman to triple load and it will lose. Steves88LX@yahoo.com
Steves88lx 6 months ago
Good video but a flat hose lays is made so it flakes off ure shoulder 1 section at a time..... at least thats how my station does it and it comes off alot better every time.... but every1 is different
jackel2126 9 months ago
In Philly we call it triple pack and as the previous post said it can be difficult if it's a short distance from the wagon to the front door. We used triple pack for 10 years and just went back to a split flat, similar to DCFD and our guys liked the triple pack but they love the split flat pack.
crushedlt 1 year ago
every single triple fold demonstration i see on youtube is always the same. A straight stretch, unimpeded by obstacles, and not realistic. Never is 50 working feet at the objective. All hose is always stretched on the ground. And NEVER have I seen a video where it's pulled parallel to the engine, within 5-10 feet of the engine. The triple fold is great, if you don't care about overcoming the realities of the fireground.
ajandb128 1 year ago
this is nothing more than a triple layer load
fyrefighter9 1 year ago
hey i just joined my local FD and i know what the cross lay is but i have no clue what the pilly hose or flat load is. could you please explain for me
mrbobie93 1 year ago
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The flat load is actually a very efficeint load. However, it is only efficient when it is used correctly. In this video, the flat lay was certainly not pulled the right way. The other load looks like a triple lay...
firemanondeck 1 year ago
The flat load is actually a very efficeint load. However, it is only efficient when it is used correctly. In this video, the flat lay was certainly not pulled the right way. The other load looks like a tripple lay...
firemanondeck 1 year ago
Try using a coiled hose 'bundle' to deploy in a matter of seconds and without the need to arrange the hose to remove the kinks. Go to 3 w's period hftfire period com I patented the coil method in 2001 inclujding the device that both rolls and coils hose to its MINIMUM INSIDE CRITICAL DIAMETER. I learned this method as a wildland fire fighter in 1981, introduced it to structural fire fighting in 1991, and invented the device that does it all so one firefighter can do the work of four in second
hftfire 1 year ago
Try using a coiled hose 'bundle' to deploy in a matter of seconds and without the need to arrange the hose to remove the kinks. Go to 3 w's period hftfire period com I patented the coil method in 2001 inclujding the device that both rolls and coils hose to its MINIMUM INSIDE CRITICAL DIAMETER. I learned this method as a wildland fire fighter in 1981, introduced it to structural fire fighting in 1991, and invented the device that does it all so one firefighter can do the work of four in second
hftfire 1 year ago
Flat load = all your working line at the front door.
Triple fold (philly load) = working line somewhere between you and the engine.
SCFD811 1 year ago
Again, call it what you want...
firechap31 1 year ago
I work in Philly and nobody uses anything like this. It certainly shouldn't be called a Philly Load if they never used it in Philly!! Worked previously in a department that used the triple and hated it (and yes, we trained quite a bit).
mhope177 1 year ago
This is a great load if you practice, don't let people tell you it's not we've been using it for years and practice. The other thing is it's not only for long stretches you just need to pull it correctly. We use one person to pull it corners or no corners and we also grab the middle layer of hose in the middle of the hose and pull it toward the building this gives you an extra 50' at the front door of the building.
crushedlt 1 year ago
Philly load, triple tier. If you have to go around a corner it takes 2 people. Take the hose out of the bale, FF#2 takes the bight that was in the bale and goes out towards the rear of the truck, FF#1 (nozzleman) starts heading towards the front of the truck. Once you have a good amount flaked back towards the rear of the truck FF#2 can post at the corner and feed more hoseline to FF #1.
rangerman375 1 year ago
Call it what you want. Indianapolis Fire calls the load "Philly hose" and uses it on all their crosslays. That's who showed it to me.
Cornering is tough! I'd take that over the rats nest we used to get (as shown in the video). This video was put together to pitch the idea for a new hose load to the entire department. It worked. We've deployed it on a number of fires since with one hiccup; the nozzle got wedged inside the speedlay but the load still deployed.
firechap31 1 year ago
@firechap31 we call it Triple-Lay down south indiana
kodythepimp01 1 year ago
No 1. It's called the triple flat not the Philly Load. No 2, try taking it around the corner and not straight off the side and see how great it is then. Then triple flat is a joke if you have to go around anything. Much easier to through 100 live 100 dead.
mac1lhup 1 year ago
Great vid, but who the he%$ taught you to deploy a flat load like that????
1203ecc1 2 years ago
This was the way the department was teaching everyone for the last ??? many years. I went along with it until I could prove how crazy and inefficient it really was. I used this video to change the minds of the Officers, change tradition, and switch all the crosslays to the Philly load. It's painful to watch right?!
firechap31 2 years ago
we have the same hose load on our trucks in virginia. well some places. we call it a S-Load or a Triple Lay. the best thing about it is that you can charge the line after you pull all the hose off the truck. you don't have to flake it out, but i can deploy a minute man a whole lot faster than that walking
skeeter215 2 years ago
You go through all the effort to show this philly load technique but than fail to show how you pack the truck to achieve this technique.
We have a flat load on our truck and it does not come out like how your guy pulled it out. However, we are always willing to look at new ways. Can you show how you pack the truck.
Emsworker68 2 years ago
I can send a powerpoint and a SOP if you want to see the step-by-step loading & deployment. Send me an email address.
firechap31 2 years ago
triple fold is an idiot proof load. basically it's designed for departments that have long lays, no obstructions to go around, overzealous firefighters that like to grab the nozzle and run, and lack of training. train with the flat load, and deploy it properly and you will find that yes, it may take a couple extra seconds, but is much more efficient in the long run.
ajandb128 2 years ago
All cross-lays on Indianapolis Metro Fire have the Philly Hose. I'm not sure anyone uses the modified flat load like we used to. If they do, they should watch this video and try out something new.
firechap31 2 years ago
Since the beginning of time, our department had every cross-lay loaded with the load demonstrated here. It was a modified flat load. It had two loops: one on the bottom and one 20' from the end. The loops were meant to be pulled simultaneously in order to deploy the entire 200' with one motion. It always came out in a tangled heap, leaving the firefighter frustrated and frantic to remove kinks--thus the reason for this video and a need to change to something quicker and easier.
firechap31 2 years ago
No kidding. A flat load is just that..It comes from the top down. My next question is...who loads a flat load to be pulled like that. The tripple load does work well unless you are 50' away from the truck as you enter a building and have to go around corners. This is a pre determined demonstration.
paigerockson 2 years ago
Who pulls a flat load like that?
paigerockson 2 years ago
a probie
firechap31 2 years ago
the second round is a Lt.
firechap31 2 years ago