Democrats are deeply passionate about compulsory unionization and this idea of unionizing without a secret ballot. Forcing workers to join corrupt unions is something which they stand and fight for. The ideal of thugocracy is the soul of the democratic party. "Health Care Reform"... is simply a coercive unionization scheme so that unionization of medical workers can be 65% unionized (like Canada) instead of 10% unionized (like in the US). These actors are silly pawns of the thugocracy.
to mismoyi: Just because I'm against EFCA does NOT mean that I'm against the working class. I am a part of the working class and I feel that an outside union shouldn't have the power to dictate to a company how it should run its business. My employer does a great job of accommodating its team members, and if there's anyone that disagrees with them, they should just quit. after all it's their CHOICE to work there. And just like they have the choice to want a union, I have the choice to say NO
The only one I recognize is Ben Stiller's dad. Bunch of B-list actors whoring themselves out because their union bosses made them. Further proof we need a secret ballot.
more unions... brilliant idea when american business is getting slaughtered out there and the economy is in a free fall. These people are stupid, which is why they are actors and don't have a real job. An economist worth anything would laugh at increasing unions during a severe recession so they bring in the braindead actors. go back to rodeo drive and your plastic surgeons and shut up and leave us alone. Be happy with your million dollar salaries for not doing real work and leave us alone.
If you have conservative views and only are commenting on this video to exspress those views obviously your against EFCA. If your against EFCA your against the working class. It's that simple.
Or maybe it's just that they're against the sense of entitlement that can only be conveyed by a paid spokesperson in order to make an emotional appeal to those that don't care to look at things objectively...
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Read the legislation. The whole PURPOSE of it is to remove the secret ballot as an employer's option before certification, and it would only be available if the Union decided to allow it.
Which, of course, would never happen once they've already intimidated >50% of the employees into having "dues" from their paychecks seized for bullshit causes.
If Americans held even a single day general strike insisting on our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT for address of grievances, just watch how quickly our economic situation would improve. All ruling class efforts are directed against our right of assembly. The president never gives a speech commemorating Labor Day. Why?
This BS is groupthink; "the ONLY way to do this is JOINING with our co-workers". In other words, you have no choice, this is the only way for you to make a better life for yourself. Ironic, how little choice it presents. This is just a way for the union thugs to exploit your defiance of their control. If so many people weren't educated by the government to think only as "good workers", they would be able to think for themselves and innovate;come up with ways to make better lives for themselves.
Best job I ever had was union. Unions are not perfect but they help level the playing field. Good luck Americans - you need a better economy and better standard of living.
First Unions INCREASE the control our daily lives with Closed Shop Laws etc.
Second, Unions are not the workers, they are an entity that is paid by the workers, that operates as a monopoly.There is no choice, no freedom. One Union, or nothing.
Third, the rise of the Middle Class had much to do with that scumbag Henry Ford doubling his workers' pay long before Unions rose.
Fourth- Safe working environments had more to do with books being published, like "the jungle" and boycotts that followed.
Wow this is a huge issue. I belong to a union. IAM 751. A union has it's problems but I pray that I never have to work for a company without a union again. It has brought me a my family so much more and keeps management in check. Unions are a very good thing.
EFCA is about far more than unions and voting. It requires PLAs Project Labor Agreements on all Fed const proj over 20mil. That means only union workers. 86% of const workers are non union. Unions don't want new members because their current mems are largely unemployed.That rewards the unions for voting for and supporting OBAMA. One Big Ass Mistake America. Currently non union workers can work on Fed jobs and be paid Fed wages. That will stop with EFCA.
mctarmac are you one of the uberwealty? that why you defend the massa?
they have NEVER wanted to pay what workers are worth. the income of the middle income worker has gone up by 2% (yes, 2%) in relationship to inflation, while the top 3% of wage earners, now making 97% of the money in this country, had an increase of 350%. the top 1% saw an increase of much much more. THAT is redistribution of wealth. it's called justice for all. once we have justice, then performance can be addressed.
Martynurse: Uberwealthy? I said reply in business management terms not name calling and caricatures.
A happy aspiring worker is the most productive form of worker there is, a worker who is paid what he deserves can make no moral claim to more then the employer can for less, i.e it is in both parties best natural interest to be happy and productive.
"They NEVER wanted to pay what workers are worth" - This is not an argument this is propaganda.
Companies and employers want to pay their workers what they are worth, CAN ANY ONE on the labor side explain in business management terms why they would not want to do this? If you have free movement of labor and I'm not being paid what I deserve I can leave.The biggest blockhead employer in a competitive free market will soon realize he has to pay a fair wage
The problem arises when unproductive seeks to 'collective' with the productive. Then the incentive system for rising wages gets stuffed
Quite frankly your slightly confused, but outsourcing is a complex process; wages have not been 'depressed' in the U.S but rather held artificially high to obscure the fact the Govt. has robbed 95% value from the dollar, the fact is in China cheep manufacturing fair wages equate to the living standard, where as in US they do not, so you would have to be paid substantially more for the exact same job to survive in the U.S. If you didnt have 0% interest rates and high prices some would come back.
I am the one who is slightly confused??? What a convoluted paragraph.
Simple solution to the unionization debate is if your workplace unionizes and you don't like unions, get another job.
The anti-union types are always telling those who complain about management treatment to get a new job. The same holds true for those who oppose unions.
But most of the jobs probably wouldn't, but it would be like complaining about the lack of a blacksmith industry, your economy has matured (or at least should be) into a services based economy.
Hong Kong was a manufacturing and export hub in the 50's and 60's much like the U.S. China affected us too and the economy seamlessly transitioned to a services based, financial center. Hong Kong now has a 4% unemployment rate (extremely close to the natural unemployment rate.)
Furthermore Hong Kong workers (across the labor board) have seen real wages increase on average 3.5-4%. You want to know why?
Hong Kong is ranked the freest economy in the world (15 years running) we are the embodiment of lazes-faire capitalism, with a highly skilled adaptable and mobile workforce which is almost completely un-unionized.
Btw we hold the record for longest largest sustained period of growth (1945-2007.)
So, I still have not heard ONE good reason why employees shouldn't have a choice between a secret ballot and on open ballot. The only option we have now is a secret ballot. So, why is it a bad thing to have more options? Police, firemen, teachers, EMTs, state and county workers, are mostly all unionized and work for the government to serve YOU! Isn't that socialism?I guess the next time your house is on fire or you need a cop, or drive on roads, remember that you are supporting socialist unions
One good reason? Because an open ballot invites intimidation, coercion and is an anathema to democracy? Tell me why should we only have a secret ballot at our elections?
It seems to me the only propaganda around is when the debate is termed over unionizing. This is wrong its a debate over HOW you unionize, would the unions dare to have a debate on the merits of open voting versus secret ballot?
Yeah, i guess our "elections" work, just ask Bush! Until we get a third party, the power will remain with two parties, both corrupt! And by the way, majority vote doesn't elect the president, the Electoral College does!
More socialist pap from the Hollywood elite. Obama just bought the UAW an automobile industry with tax payer money (that would be part of spreading the wealth around. Alinsky would be proud!) The unions are nothing but a breeding ground and recruitment mechanism for socialists and liberal democrat voters.
Obviously the people who are knocking the unions have never worked in a union shop. numbers dont lie. union shops pay on average, 27% better wages. You people should stop listening to rush limbaugh, and pay more attention to people like Richard Trumka, and Cecil Roberts, who make sense and don't stir the potty.
Yes, finally , Hollywood wants to export California's policies to the rest of the country.
Oh Joy. Not surprised they were all B grade actors either.
I'm sure they do pay higher wages, If I put a gun to a man's head I bet I could get paid more too. And hell GM workers got paid far in excess of industry levels and boy would I want to work for that company...
Better yet, lets move to France, most heavily unionized country in the world. And an economic basket case but what the hell eh?
Why is the spotlight only on GM guess what they are the only company affected from the "recession" and not the only ones that recieved a bailout....and guess what the others are non-unionized soooo is it my friend still the unions fault for a failing company.....
Are you on crack? No the other non-unionized did not need a bailout, the biggest lie around is to pretend like GM and Detroit weren't piles of steaming shit before the GFC, get in the real word and actually support workers rights by supporting the free movement of labor.
Hey jackass, the Employee Free Choice Act is just that FREE CHOICE!!!!!!!!!! Workers have the right to either a secret ballot, WHICH IS THE ONLY OPTION NOW, or by open ballet.
Oh and as far as "socialism" open your eyes! Firemen, cops, teachers, EMTs, are just a few "socialist" programs that work.
God forbid, but if your house is on fire or you are being robbed, DON"T call 911 because they are "socialist" and they are unionized too!
Yes French workers have at least 4 weeks off annually and access to healthcare, France is by all measures also an economic basket case, but what the hell lets not use pesky facts right.
Your underlying attitude is despicable, "they get 4 weeks, so should we" with no analysis of worth or effort or who deserves what? People that work hard and are good at their jobs are perfectly capable of individual representation because they can demand what they're worth.
Perhaps you'll just get lucky and only get your vacation and health care cut, and you will just start your second probation just to keep your job while the bosses brother in law that started last week gets a raise. Noone is forcing you to be union, but don't knock the smart people who do want to have one.
and maybe get your pay cut tomorrow because your boss may not like the shirt you have on, or his wife didn't put out the night before, or better yet, because you had a doctors appointment and didnt work the mandatory overtime.
Only 16 percent of our workforce is union today. If you don't want to pay a small percent of your wage for an average of 27 percent better wages, dignity, better benefits, safer conditions, and job security, there is an 84 out of 100 chance you can go work for a scab company elsewhere.
Wow the AFL-CIO must be getting desperate. They had the actors guild (an ALF-CIO union ) make a video. Stupid is as stupid does, but why do people not identify this as one union protecting and expanding others in the same umbrella system.
vandy44 I wish life in America were as simple as you think. It's not. We have given way much power to the rich guys and they have taken way too much away from us. They seriously think they should own us. The government is the great equalizer. We (the middle class ) have been the victims of a rigged system for too long. A sytem where the rules are written by the wealthy, for the wealthy and against our interests. We are tired of being the victims of the " fine Print " traps laid by the wealthy.
JustinTimes, you said this: "A sytem where the rules are written by the wealthy, for the wealthy and against our interests."
As you know, the President of the U.S. received hundreds of millions of dollars from Wall Street and then turned around and bailed them all out.
He claims he "inherited everything," yet voted for the Wall Street Bankster bailout back in the fall and continues to funnel money to banks and Big Business to this day.
If you support him, how do you justify that support?
Again, I am not union and do not want to be union. I am for the principle that no worker should be forced to pay dues or accept representation against their will. I hope you can understand that concept.
You say "the government is the great equalizer." What? Obama and Bush have funneled trillions of dollars to the Wall Street Banksters and what do you get, nothing? He says he cut taxes for everyone -- $12 every paycheck. Come on. Wake up.
We are not forched to pay, we choice to pay. And if you wish you can have your due go to a charity of your chosing. We work hard for what we have gained. I have worked for comanies that do not have a union, and it sucks. You have no voice in what goes on around you or to you. I am grateful for my union and how it has protected my rights as an employee and as a person.
Corporations are legally obligated to maximize profits. The Market is not a Law of Nature, it's not like gravity. It is a man-made phenomena that we need to treat like a piece of complex software that needs to have bugs fixed and be upgraded periodically. There is no magic, faith is important (ex: perceived value) but we need to be able to adjust it and Gov't is the only way we can do it in a rational (I know..) way. That's why the religious right like Reps, they too have faith beyond reason
Corporations have lobbyists to petition gov. for what they want, workers have Unions. Unions can have some of the same interests as employers, lower healthcare or energy costs, better educated workforce and better safety regulations. I love that this video addressed the propoganda about secret ballot! Democracy FTW!
if a company wants to allow unions, fine. if not, work for someone who does.
if i bust my ass to start my own company i am going to run it how i want. if you don't like how i run it, don't work for me.
no wonder companies are running out of this country. whatever happened to freedom and liberty? most of that died 60 years ago and it's only getting worse.
and what about all those workers who bust their asses keeping your company thriving? if they want a union, an employer can either recognize that right to organize or face the weapon of the workers...the strike.
if you don't feel the company is recognizing your efforts as a worker look for a company that you think will.
and sure... strike and risk having the company shut down completely leaving you and everyone else with no job.
i'm all for choice... choose where you wanna work, choose who you want to hire, choose how you wanna run your business, etc... as long as all of those don't infringe on the rights of others.
don't have unions and are just barely getting by now think of what you would do if your employer was going to increase your contribution to health care $372.00 and give you less coverage. With out that union you are stuck with what ever they are nice enough to give you. There are a lot more things companys do that a union is a big help with. also go watch the doc. "WAL - MART the high cost of low prices". Lastly if unions are so bad for employees then WHY ARE CORPS. SO AGAINST THEM?
Corporations do not like unions because they increase costs astronomically in general and it's harder to be competitive. However, while you as a union supporter might think that's a great thing, for society as a whole it is not. When a company is force to pay an above-market wage to employees, the result is both higher prices paid by everyone for that product and increased unemployment overall.
Your rant against the stockholders is just biting the hand that feeds you and is patently stupid.
This is the point that you are missing is that the free choice act is to make it easier to level the playing field for all corporations which increase wages for all
That's absurd, there's probably not a single time in recorded history where you can point to increased regulation pushed by unions resulting in a "level" playing field, nor is the kind of "leveling" unions typically engage in remotely able to help increase wages for all.
People started to unionize in this country because companies were forcing men (at the time and kids as young as 9 yrs old) to work 12 to 15 hrs a day for pennies. While the corporate barons made millions upon millions of dollars. That was in the late 1800's and the early 1900's. What is wrong with people wanting to work in clean and safe workplaces and be treated like human beings? Just in case you didn't know, the US isn't the only country that has unions.
It isn't the stock holders that feed us. It is we workers that feed the stockholders and make any of their tangible gains possible. Since modern industrial society is a co-operative venture, the collective bargaining system has evolved as the best answer to apportionment of those scorekeeping rewards we call money.
why should we look out for the interests of capitalists? it is THEY who should be looking out for the interests of the workers. it's the workers that create the wealth, and it's the workers who should control it.
propseing to the union is to increase the cost sharing of the worker with a family to $372.00 a month, and with that the amount of coverage is going to go down, so if they had it there way I would be paying $372.00 amonth for less coverage then I had before. No one can tell me that that is not a corp. greed move. AT&T profited 12.9 BILLION in 2008 ( the year we went into a recesion), and they are telling the stock holders the are going to make even more money this year. So for the people who
First off no one has included in there post wether they are in a union or not, so I will start with that. I am in a UNION and proud of it. I can remeber when I worked for companysthat didn't have unions, and I could never figure out what the big deal was. I have found out that until you are part of a union you don't fully understand what it is they cany do for you. I work for the GREEDY CORP. called AT&T, and the union I am apart of in CWA local 1298. The new contract that the company is
"Choice"? That's rich. It's so cute how Hollywood fat cats identify with "the working people." I'll bet they're on a first-name basis with their housekeepers! And they didn't "cause" anything? Their self-righteousness is nearly as sickening as the so-called "entertainment" they produce. Take a good look at the faces. These prima donnas think they're better than you.
well at least they support working people coming together right? unfortunately our society (the public) looks up to who they see as celebrity, and if a celebrity actually supports a good cause. many more who follows them will.
maybe you're an elite person who choose to ignore the fact that hollywood exist. to many others - the general population hollywood does exist.
although i have no idea who any of these celebrities are.
Google "Rachel Maddow should take her own advice and read the bill"
If Maddows viewers actually took her advice and read the bill—not the partisan hack job fact sheet she pretended was the bill,
they would read that if a union turns in cards representing more than 50% of a companys employees, the Board shall not direct an election but shall certify the individual or labor organization as the representative described in subsection.
Election rules forbid anyone form looking over your shoulder as you vote so everyone can't see how you vote. Unions protect workers, companies intimidate them!
Its a smoke screen, you can turn in your Union card anytime you want, any day of the year, nobody can pressure you to hide your support of the union, the way it is now. Labor Relations Institute does illegal business teaching employers how to scare people off.
Let's say that a company has 50 workers. 26 of them say they want a union. The other 24 say they do not. Should the 24 workers who say they do not want a union be required to accept the unions' representation? What if the 24 are the best carpenters and do the best work out of anyone in the company? Why should they be forced to accept union representation? That is the law today. That is wrong. Say "no" to monopoly bargaining. Let individuals represent themselves.
I could not disagree more with your assertion that "majority rules in America!" Shame on you for not knowing the history of the founding of this country as a Constitutional Republic where the individual, God-given rights of the minority are protected from the tyranny of the majority.
You advocate for "majority rule." If you studied American history, you would know that the founders warned of "mob rule." This is happening to the labor movement...it is turning people off. It is committing suicide. And now, it's buying off Washington to trick the system further in its favor:
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."
I'm very aware that this country was founded by people that were running away from religious persecution but in the Constitution of the UNTIED STATES our founding fathers decided that the only way for this country to servive was to come together and join in a UNION to repel threats foreign and domestic.
Union bosses force workers, who have not chosen its representation, to accept it, against their will. States were not forced by the founders into the "union."
This, from the founder of the AFL, Samuel Gompers:
"I want to urge devotion to the fundamentals of human liberty -- the principles of VOLUNTARISM. No lasting gain has ever come from compulsion."
Don't you see? Big Labor is in the business of compulsion, not voluntarism. It has strayed from the words of its founder, Mr. Gompers.
"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned -- this is the sum of good government." That is Thomas Jeffersons' words. I believe that he is one of the founding fathers that you speak of. I just finished an American History class, got an "A"
"...leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement..."
Don't see what he was saying? Individuals should be free from coercion. They shouldn't be forced, against their will, as is all to common with today's labor movement, to accept representation that they don't want. "Free." Don't you get it? Nothing in this country prevents anyone from being in a union. Send money to the AFL-CIO and join up...go ahead.
Pleasssssse don't fail to understand Thomas Jefferson.
He was, of all the founding fathers, probably the least inclined to think of men as "groups" but always as individuals, and he would have been appalled by the way unions use government power to force others to do what they want. The quote you used above is one of my favorites of all time and it seems you've criminally misunderstood it's meaning.
Quibbling about the word men, which meant every *individual* man, just hurts my brain.
That may be how we conduct elections for political office, however, that should not be the way the workplace works.
Again, no worker in this country should be forced to accept representation that they don't want and should't be forced to pay dues if they don't want the representation.
There should not be democracy in the workplace. If I am the best carpenter or electrician or plumber, and I want to represent myself and negotiate myself, I shouldn't be forced to accept union representation.
I forgot to tell you guys, fixing pipes pays the bills for me.
I am a worker and I have my say...it is called the result of my work. If you are a good worker and care about your product and work as hard as you can and as smart as you can, you won't have any problems.
I wouldn't hire you as independent contractor. Even as an individual homeowner I will only hire union plumbers, electricians and carpenters. Every time I've used non union "craftsmen" I've found them to be anything but.
So, under your premise, if 51 people say the government should run healthcare and 49 say they want to search around and get their own private healthcare, the 49 should have no right to do that? That is the premise you are operating under -- that the 49 should have no ability to choose what they want to do.
That also happens to be the premise of union bosses -- those who wish not to have their representation must accept it and pay for it...otherwise, they can't work in that workplace.
You said this: "The will of the majority should never be discarded for the will of the minority. "
You said, "never."
So, if the will of the majority wants the minority to be sent off to prison for what they believe that is OK???
Well, you are a self-proclaimed "communist" according and you have a picture of the murderer, Joseph Stalin, as your profile pic, so, what should I expect?
Hey, can you tell me how many political opponents, men, women, and children Stalin had killed?
I'm glad we can agree on something -- workers cannot be forced by law into joining a union. However, they can be forced accept the union's representation, even if they don't want it or ask for it. In many states, a worker can also be forced to be dues in order to have or keep a job. That is the objection of millions of Americans. No worker should be forced to pay dues or accept representation to an organization that he/she never wanted any part of in the first place.
Nobody is forced to join anything. Workplaces vote and union representation is determined by democracy. You can vote for or against it, and run for office. Just like, well, just like America. And if you don't want to have a voice in your workplace through a vote, you can always count on the benevolence of your boss. But hey, thanks for giving the anti-democratic viewpoint. Those of us that believe in American freedom of choice will debate and vote on things as is our tradition.
what makes you think millions of Americans object to joining a union? joining a union is a workers best chance at improving their working conditions and wages.
see, this is why i called you out on anti-labor PROPAGANDA. you're confusing a 'close-shop' policy with forcing workers to join a union. you're also lying when you say 'millions of americans' don't want to pay dues to be in a union.
Company bosses force NON-UNIONZED workers to accept lousy pay and no benefits. I am quite sure any halfway intelligent worker will soon realize why unions are necessary.
You are using the word "Union" in two entirely different ways, and that's just absolutely silly.
Vandy is right, A. we are not a democracy (or aren't supposed to be) but a Republic, which protects individual liberties, B. that argument doesn't apply to private citizens anyway, as a corporation is not a government. It is a private entity owned by a group of people who bear all of the real risk in it's success or failure. They are not *obligated* to give you a job, as you aren't to accept it.
this country DID NOT found itself on the protection of the minority against the majority.
blacks were enslaved and had no rights. women had no rights. workers had no rights. poor people had no rights.
the constitution did not and has never granted people rights. rights are given to the people that demand and fight for them, thus the civil rights movement, women's liberation movements, and so on.
Of course they should be forced to join the union. Thats not the kind of choice the dip****s in this video want. Give people that kind of choice and they'll reject the union leaving it with less power.
I imagine that - assuming a union was - established - when the company tried to cut wages or benefits and thanks to the union and its bargaining agents - the benefits or wages were not cut - those 24 would realize the importance of being unionized!
You've hit the nail on the head, unions can't let individuals represent themselves, the entire concept is based on 'equality for all workers.'
To make a distinction between productive and unproductive would mean the workers that deserve a kick up the backside or be fired could be identified. This is obviously not a desired outcome for the less productive workers...lol,
As I said before; there's a reason they are all B grade actors.
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DJPerezMA 1 month ago
I see the paid bloggers have been earning their paychecks. Trying to feed the notion that unions = bad.
When in fact there has never been a time where we needed protections set up for all workers - the reasoning should be quite obvious.
Did unions get us in to this trouble?
Even the mainstream news can't hide it - it was the greed of executives.
If corporations were run fairly, there would be no need for unions.
However the opposite has been proved.
We're sick of the corporate slander.
purpleindigosunset 2 years ago
Democrats are deeply passionate about compulsory unionization and this idea of unionizing without a secret ballot. Forcing workers to join corrupt unions is something which they stand and fight for. The ideal of thugocracy is the soul of the democratic party. "Health Care Reform"... is simply a coercive unionization scheme so that unionization of medical workers can be 65% unionized (like Canada) instead of 10% unionized (like in the US). These actors are silly pawns of the thugocracy.
Ingenue001 2 years ago
to mismoyi: Just because I'm against EFCA does NOT mean that I'm against the working class. I am a part of the working class and I feel that an outside union shouldn't have the power to dictate to a company how it should run its business. My employer does a great job of accommodating its team members, and if there's anyone that disagrees with them, they should just quit. after all it's their CHOICE to work there. And just like they have the choice to want a union, I have the choice to say NO
idaman051991 2 years ago
The only one I recognize is Ben Stiller's dad. Bunch of B-list actors whoring themselves out because their union bosses made them. Further proof we need a secret ballot.
minimumgrade 2 years ago
more unions... brilliant idea when american business is getting slaughtered out there and the economy is in a free fall. These people are stupid, which is why they are actors and don't have a real job. An economist worth anything would laugh at increasing unions during a severe recession so they bring in the braindead actors. go back to rodeo drive and your plastic surgeons and shut up and leave us alone. Be happy with your million dollar salaries for not doing real work and leave us alone.
Ingenue001 2 years ago
This proves how little you know about acting, business, the economy, human rights, and this country. Read a book sometime.
nikolajM 2 years ago
If you have conservative views and only are commenting on this video to exspress those views obviously your against EFCA. If your against EFCA your against the working class. It's that simple.
mismoyi 2 years ago
Or maybe it's just that they're against the sense of entitlement that can only be conveyed by a paid spokesperson in order to make an emotional appeal to those that don't care to look at things objectively...
bigMarc77 2 years ago
What an Orwellian name to a terrible piece of legislation, that REMOVES the employee's choice to decide whether to be "represented" by a Union.
You know the Big Union bosses don't have the employee's best interests in mind - if they did, they wouldn't support taking away the secret ballot.
minimumgrade 2 years ago
Did you even bother to watch the video above? EFCA does not remove the secret ballot.
Of course, you probably don't care, you corporate ass-kissing rat.
SeaBassIsANerd 2 years ago 2
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Read the legislation. The whole PURPOSE of it is to remove the secret ballot as an employer's option before certification, and it would only be available if the Union decided to allow it.
Which, of course, would never happen once they've already intimidated >50% of the employees into having "dues" from their paychecks seized for bullshit causes.
minimumgrade 2 years ago
If Americans held even a single day general strike insisting on our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT for address of grievances, just watch how quickly our economic situation would improve. All ruling class efforts are directed against our right of assembly. The president never gives a speech commemorating Labor Day. Why?
edsullivanshow 2 years ago 2
This BS is groupthink; "the ONLY way to do this is JOINING with our co-workers". In other words, you have no choice, this is the only way for you to make a better life for yourself. Ironic, how little choice it presents. This is just a way for the union thugs to exploit your defiance of their control. If so many people weren't educated by the government to think only as "good workers", they would be able to think for themselves and innovate;come up with ways to make better lives for themselves.
coitalyeti 2 years ago
Great post! I always get suspicious when my only choice has already been decided for me.
bigMarc77 2 years ago
Best job I ever had was union. Unions are not perfect but they help level the playing field. Good luck Americans - you need a better economy and better standard of living.
victoria1907 2 years ago 2
First Unions INCREASE the control our daily lives with Closed Shop Laws etc.
Second, Unions are not the workers, they are an entity that is paid by the workers, that operates as a monopoly.There is no choice, no freedom. One Union, or nothing.
Third, the rise of the Middle Class had much to do with that scumbag Henry Ford doubling his workers' pay long before Unions rose.
Fourth- Safe working environments had more to do with books being published, like "the jungle" and boycotts that followed.
hoppinglark 2 years ago
Guess we should expect the return of Champagne Boys and other acts of UNION intimidation.
Unions are Monopolies too, both sides are full of it.
hoppinglark 2 years ago
Wow this is a huge issue. I belong to a union. IAM 751. A union has it's problems but I pray that I never have to work for a company without a union again. It has brought me a my family so much more and keeps management in check. Unions are a very good thing.
Kendognavy22 2 years ago
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coitalyeti 2 years ago
189 seconds of brilliance........
nowandzen7 2 years ago
EFCA is about far more than unions and voting. It requires PLAs Project Labor Agreements on all Fed const proj over 20mil. That means only union workers. 86% of const workers are non union. Unions don't want new members because their current mems are largely unemployed.That rewards the unions for voting for and supporting OBAMA. One Big Ass Mistake America. Currently non union workers can work on Fed jobs and be paid Fed wages. That will stop with EFCA.
mcmbosco 2 years ago 2
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mcmbosco 2 years ago
mctarmac are you one of the uberwealty? that why you defend the massa?
they have NEVER wanted to pay what workers are worth. the income of the middle income worker has gone up by 2% (yes, 2%) in relationship to inflation, while the top 3% of wage earners, now making 97% of the money in this country, had an increase of 350%. the top 1% saw an increase of much much more. THAT is redistribution of wealth. it's called justice for all. once we have justice, then performance can be addressed.
marytnurse 2 years ago
Martynurse: Uberwealthy? I said reply in business management terms not name calling and caricatures.
A happy aspiring worker is the most productive form of worker there is, a worker who is paid what he deserves can make no moral claim to more then the employer can for less, i.e it is in both parties best natural interest to be happy and productive.
"They NEVER wanted to pay what workers are worth" - This is not an argument this is propaganda.
You've confused your data,
mctarmac10 2 years ago
Companies and employers want to pay their workers what they are worth, CAN ANY ONE on the labor side explain in business management terms why they would not want to do this? If you have free movement of labor and I'm not being paid what I deserve I can leave.The biggest blockhead employer in a competitive free market will soon realize he has to pay a fair wage
The problem arises when unproductive seeks to 'collective' with the productive. Then the incentive system for rising wages gets stuffed
mctarmac10 2 years ago
The biggest blockhead employer in a competitive free market will soon realize he has to pay a fair wage
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Haven't you heard of outsourcing?
Businesses had a choice other than a fair wage and that was to send jobs overseas to low wage countries such as China and India.
This they have done by the millions depressing wages in the US to where it now takes two incomes for the average family to be middle class.
aspenaglow 2 years ago
Quite frankly your slightly confused, but outsourcing is a complex process; wages have not been 'depressed' in the U.S but rather held artificially high to obscure the fact the Govt. has robbed 95% value from the dollar, the fact is in China cheep manufacturing fair wages equate to the living standard, where as in US they do not, so you would have to be paid substantially more for the exact same job to survive in the U.S. If you didnt have 0% interest rates and high prices some would come back.
mctarmac10 2 years ago
I am the one who is slightly confused??? What a convoluted paragraph.
Simple solution to the unionization debate is if your workplace unionizes and you don't like unions, get another job.
The anti-union types are always telling those who complain about management treatment to get a new job. The same holds true for those who oppose unions.
If your workplace unionizes get another job.
aspenaglow 2 years ago
But most of the jobs probably wouldn't, but it would be like complaining about the lack of a blacksmith industry, your economy has matured (or at least should be) into a services based economy.
Hong Kong was a manufacturing and export hub in the 50's and 60's much like the U.S. China affected us too and the economy seamlessly transitioned to a services based, financial center. Hong Kong now has a 4% unemployment rate (extremely close to the natural unemployment rate.)
mctarmac10 2 years ago
Furthermore Hong Kong workers (across the labor board) have seen real wages increase on average 3.5-4%. You want to know why?
Hong Kong is ranked the freest economy in the world (15 years running) we are the embodiment of lazes-faire capitalism, with a highly skilled adaptable and mobile workforce which is almost completely un-unionized.
Btw we hold the record for longest largest sustained period of growth (1945-2007.)
mctarmac10 2 years ago
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mcmbosco 2 years ago
They're all so old now it creeps me out.
Zile77 2 years ago
So, I still have not heard ONE good reason why employees shouldn't have a choice between a secret ballot and on open ballot. The only option we have now is a secret ballot. So, why is it a bad thing to have more options? Police, firemen, teachers, EMTs, state and county workers, are mostly all unionized and work for the government to serve YOU! Isn't that socialism?I guess the next time your house is on fire or you need a cop, or drive on roads, remember that you are supporting socialist unions
bstarner69 2 years ago 3
One good reason? Because an open ballot invites intimidation, coercion and is an anathema to democracy? Tell me why should we only have a secret ballot at our elections?
It seems to me the only propaganda around is when the debate is termed over unionizing. This is wrong its a debate over HOW you unionize, would the unions dare to have a debate on the merits of open voting versus secret ballot?
I think not.
mctarmac10 2 years ago
Yeah, i guess our "elections" work, just ask Bush! Until we get a third party, the power will remain with two parties, both corrupt! And by the way, majority vote doesn't elect the president, the Electoral College does!
bstarner69 2 years ago
More socialist pap from the Hollywood elite. Obama just bought the UAW an automobile industry with tax payer money (that would be part of spreading the wealth around. Alinsky would be proud!) The unions are nothing but a breeding ground and recruitment mechanism for socialists and liberal democrat voters.
unionthug94 2 years ago
Obviously the people who are knocking the unions have never worked in a union shop. numbers dont lie. union shops pay on average, 27% better wages. You people should stop listening to rush limbaugh, and pay more attention to people like Richard Trumka, and Cecil Roberts, who make sense and don't stir the potty.
allmostspangler 2 years ago 3
Yes, finally , Hollywood wants to export California's policies to the rest of the country.
Oh Joy. Not surprised they were all B grade actors either.
I'm sure they do pay higher wages, If I put a gun to a man's head I bet I could get paid more too. And hell GM workers got paid far in excess of industry levels and boy would I want to work for that company...
Better yet, lets move to France, most heavily unionized country in the world. And an economic basket case but what the hell eh?
mctarmac10 2 years ago
Why is the spotlight only on GM guess what they are the only company affected from the "recession" and not the only ones that recieved a bailout....and guess what the others are non-unionized soooo is it my friend still the unions fault for a failing company.....
kamham1 2 years ago
Are you on crack? No the other non-unionized did not need a bailout, the biggest lie around is to pretend like GM and Detroit weren't piles of steaming shit before the GFC, get in the real word and actually support workers rights by supporting the free movement of labor.
mctarmac10 2 years ago
Hey jackass, the Employee Free Choice Act is just that FREE CHOICE!!!!!!!!!! Workers have the right to either a secret ballot, WHICH IS THE ONLY OPTION NOW, or by open ballet.
Oh and as far as "socialism" open your eyes! Firemen, cops, teachers, EMTs, are just a few "socialist" programs that work.
God forbid, but if your house is on fire or you are being robbed, DON"T call 911 because they are "socialist" and they are unionized too!
bstarner69 2 years ago
French workers have at least 4 weeks off annually and access to health care.
American workers are lucky to get a week off a year and fewer have access to health care.
aspenaglow 2 years ago 2
Yes French workers have at least 4 weeks off annually and access to healthcare, France is by all measures also an economic basket case, but what the hell lets not use pesky facts right.
Your underlying attitude is despicable, "they get 4 weeks, so should we" with no analysis of worth or effort or who deserves what? People that work hard and are good at their jobs are perfectly capable of individual representation because they can demand what they're worth.
mctarmac10 2 years ago
France with .20% of the US population has the 5th largest economy.
France is in no worse shape than the US and It does not have our military budget, nor world wide military committments.
Leisure time contributes to the tourism and recreation industries as well as strengthening families and mental health.
Business always seeks to keep labor cost down no matter how good a worker one is. That is just a historical fact.
aspenaglow 2 years ago
Finally! Now if we could only get them on board for safety issues
LifeSaver001 2 years ago
A shorter version of this should be run on TV.
cameo9876 2 years ago
Just work in a union shop for a few years, and then go to a scab shop for a few days. You will soon realize that you can't miss what you never had.
allmostspangler 2 years ago
Perhaps you'll just get lucky and only get your vacation and health care cut, and you will just start your second probation just to keep your job while the bosses brother in law that started last week gets a raise. Noone is forcing you to be union, but don't knock the smart people who do want to have one.
allmostspangler 2 years ago
and maybe get your pay cut tomorrow because your boss may not like the shirt you have on, or his wife didn't put out the night before, or better yet, because you had a doctors appointment and didnt work the mandatory overtime.
allmostspangler 2 years ago
Only 16 percent of our workforce is union today. If you don't want to pay a small percent of your wage for an average of 27 percent better wages, dignity, better benefits, safer conditions, and job security, there is an 84 out of 100 chance you can go work for a scab company elsewhere.
allmostspangler 2 years ago
Wow the AFL-CIO must be getting desperate. They had the actors guild (an ALF-CIO union ) make a video. Stupid is as stupid does, but why do people not identify this as one union protecting and expanding others in the same umbrella system.
nabeulien27 2 years ago
vandy44 I wish life in America were as simple as you think. It's not. We have given way much power to the rich guys and they have taken way too much away from us. They seriously think they should own us. The government is the great equalizer. We (the middle class ) have been the victims of a rigged system for too long. A sytem where the rules are written by the wealthy, for the wealthy and against our interests. We are tired of being the victims of the " fine Print " traps laid by the wealthy.
JustinTimes 2 years ago
JustinTimes, you said this: "A sytem where the rules are written by the wealthy, for the wealthy and against our interests."
As you know, the President of the U.S. received hundreds of millions of dollars from Wall Street and then turned around and bailed them all out.
He claims he "inherited everything," yet voted for the Wall Street Bankster bailout back in the fall and continues to funnel money to banks and Big Business to this day.
If you support him, how do you justify that support?
vandy44 2 years ago
Again, I am not union and do not want to be union. I am for the principle that no worker should be forced to pay dues or accept representation against their will. I hope you can understand that concept.
You say "the government is the great equalizer." What? Obama and Bush have funneled trillions of dollars to the Wall Street Banksters and what do you get, nothing? He says he cut taxes for everyone -- $12 every paycheck. Come on. Wake up.
vandy44 2 years ago
We are not forched to pay, we choice to pay. And if you wish you can have your due go to a charity of your chosing. We work hard for what we have gained. I have worked for comanies that do not have a union, and it sucks. You have no voice in what goes on around you or to you. I am grateful for my union and how it has protected my rights as an employee and as a person.
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MrBili1994 2 years ago
Its the FED people.
Wake the FU CK up already.
healthhavencom 2 years ago
Corporations are legally obligated to maximize profits. The Market is not a Law of Nature, it's not like gravity. It is a man-made phenomena that we need to treat like a piece of complex software that needs to have bugs fixed and be upgraded periodically. There is no magic, faith is important (ex: perceived value) but we need to be able to adjust it and Gov't is the only way we can do it in a rational (I know..) way. That's why the religious right like Reps, they too have faith beyond reason
jrubin22 2 years ago
The ones we do not see here are the celebrities that are the publicity whores of the MSM.
norehct 2 years ago
Corporations have lobbyists to petition gov. for what they want, workers have Unions. Unions can have some of the same interests as employers, lower healthcare or energy costs, better educated workforce and better safety regulations. I love that this video addressed the propoganda about secret ballot! Democracy FTW!
norehct 2 years ago
These are celebrities? On what planet?
gizmowhizzbanger 2 years ago
Now THAT is funny! lol
RonPaulGeorgeRingo 2 years ago
if a company wants to allow unions, fine. if not, work for someone who does.
if i bust my ass to start my own company i am going to run it how i want. if you don't like how i run it, don't work for me.
no wonder companies are running out of this country. whatever happened to freedom and liberty? most of that died 60 years ago and it's only getting worse.
Nokx 2 years ago
and what about all those workers who bust their asses keeping your company thriving? if they want a union, an employer can either recognize that right to organize or face the weapon of the workers...the strike.
fightingforcrayons 2 years ago
what about them?
if you don't feel the company is recognizing your efforts as a worker look for a company that you think will.
and sure... strike and risk having the company shut down completely leaving you and everyone else with no job.
i'm all for choice... choose where you wanna work, choose who you want to hire, choose how you wanna run your business, etc... as long as all of those don't infringe on the rights of others.
Nokx 2 years ago 4
don't have unions and are just barely getting by now think of what you would do if your employer was going to increase your contribution to health care $372.00 and give you less coverage. With out that union you are stuck with what ever they are nice enough to give you. There are a lot more things companys do that a union is a big help with. also go watch the doc. "WAL - MART the high cost of low prices". Lastly if unions are so bad for employees then WHY ARE CORPS. SO AGAINST THEM?
dizzo1231 2 years ago
Corporations do not like unions because they increase costs astronomically in general and it's harder to be competitive. However, while you as a union supporter might think that's a great thing, for society as a whole it is not. When a company is force to pay an above-market wage to employees, the result is both higher prices paid by everyone for that product and increased unemployment overall.
Your rant against the stockholders is just biting the hand that feeds you and is patently stupid.
Fountainhead83 2 years ago
This is the point that you are missing is that the free choice act is to make it easier to level the playing field for all corporations which increase wages for all
dizzo1231 2 years ago
[Citation Needed]
That's absurd, there's probably not a single time in recorded history where you can point to increased regulation pushed by unions resulting in a "level" playing field, nor is the kind of "leveling" unions typically engage in remotely able to help increase wages for all.
The point you are missing is basic math.
I have $100,000 to pay employees to do X job:
I find 10 people to do it for $10k each.
5 unionize asking for $25k each.
I can only afford 4... or run at a loss.
Fountainhead83 2 years ago
People started to unionize in this country because companies were forcing men (at the time and kids as young as 9 yrs old) to work 12 to 15 hrs a day for pennies. While the corporate barons made millions upon millions of dollars. That was in the late 1800's and the early 1900's. What is wrong with people wanting to work in clean and safe workplaces and be treated like human beings? Just in case you didn't know, the US isn't the only country that has unions.
caddydaddy66 2 years ago
It isn't the stock holders that feed us. It is we workers that feed the stockholders and make any of their tangible gains possible. Since modern industrial society is a co-operative venture, the collective bargaining system has evolved as the best answer to apportionment of those scorekeeping rewards we call money.
fossilman2 2 years ago
why should we look out for the interests of capitalists? it is THEY who should be looking out for the interests of the workers. it's the workers that create the wealth, and it's the workers who should control it.
fightingforcrayons 2 years ago
propseing to the union is to increase the cost sharing of the worker with a family to $372.00 a month, and with that the amount of coverage is going to go down, so if they had it there way I would be paying $372.00 amonth for less coverage then I had before. No one can tell me that that is not a corp. greed move. AT&T profited 12.9 BILLION in 2008 ( the year we went into a recesion), and they are telling the stock holders the are going to make even more money this year. So for the people who
dizzo1231 2 years ago
First off no one has included in there post wether they are in a union or not, so I will start with that. I am in a UNION and proud of it. I can remeber when I worked for companysthat didn't have unions, and I could never figure out what the big deal was. I have found out that until you are part of a union you don't fully understand what it is they cany do for you. I work for the GREEDY CORP. called AT&T, and the union I am apart of in CWA local 1298. The new contract that the company is
dizzo1231 2 years ago
We're so stupid, they have to repeat everything four times!
Deer Hollywud, speek more slower, pleeze...we be dum hicks.
onlyed87 2 years ago
"Choice"? That's rich. It's so cute how Hollywood fat cats identify with "the working people." I'll bet they're on a first-name basis with their housekeepers! And they didn't "cause" anything? Their self-righteousness is nearly as sickening as the so-called "entertainment" they produce. Take a good look at the faces. These prima donnas think they're better than you.
onlyed87 2 years ago
well at least they support working people coming together right? unfortunately our society (the public) looks up to who they see as celebrity, and if a celebrity actually supports a good cause. many more who follows them will.
maybe you're an elite person who choose to ignore the fact that hollywood exist. to many others - the general population hollywood does exist.
although i have no idea who any of these celebrities are.
lumkitcheez 2 years ago
They may realize that in countries with high union membership, people have more money to buy movies and other entertainment.
norehct 2 years ago
"It does not take away the Secret Ballot"
Google "Rachel Maddow should take her own advice and read the bill"
If Maddows viewers actually took her advice and read the bill—not the partisan hack job fact sheet she pretended was the bill,
they would read that if a union turns in cards representing more than 50% of a companys employees, the Board shall not direct an election but shall certify the individual or labor organization as the representative described in subsection.
sirfith 2 years ago
It's nice to see UNITE4STRENGTH and MEMBERSHIP FIRST in SAG as well as SAG/AFTRA/WGA/AEA working together
with one another for this message.
Now, if we can get IATSE to join in too...!
Carpe Diem.
cymiryl 2 years ago
YES this is WRONG...NO CHOICE but Pressure to vote in front of everyone else!!
DO you want to vote for ELECTIONS OUT IN THE OPEN!!!!!!
We are a REPUBLIC NOT a DEMOCRACY as per our CONSTITUTION. NOT MOB rule BUT INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS!!!!
YOU WANT TO GIVE THAT UP!!!!!
bellanieve 2 years ago
Election rules forbid anyone form looking over your shoulder as you vote so everyone can't see how you vote. Unions protect workers, companies intimidate them!
caddydaddy66 2 years ago
Its a smoke screen, you can turn in your Union card anytime you want, any day of the year, nobody can pressure you to hide your support of the union, the way it is now. Labor Relations Institute does illegal business teaching employers how to scare people off.
norehct 2 years ago
Let's say that a company has 50 workers. 26 of them say they want a union. The other 24 say they do not. Should the 24 workers who say they do not want a union be required to accept the unions' representation? What if the 24 are the best carpenters and do the best work out of anyone in the company? Why should they be forced to accept union representation? That is the law today. That is wrong. Say "no" to monopoly bargaining. Let individuals represent themselves.
vandy44 2 years ago
That is just like saying that the President got 60% of the vote, should the other 40% have him as the President? Majority rules in America!
caddydaddy66 2 years ago
I could not disagree more with your assertion that "majority rules in America!" Shame on you for not knowing the history of the founding of this country as a Constitutional Republic where the individual, God-given rights of the minority are protected from the tyranny of the majority.
vandy44 2 years ago
You advocate for "majority rule." If you studied American history, you would know that the founders warned of "mob rule." This is happening to the labor movement...it is turning people off. It is committing suicide. And now, it's buying off Washington to trick the system further in its favor:
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."
- John Adams
vandy44 2 years ago
I'm very aware that this country was founded by people that were running away from religious persecution but in the Constitution of the UNTIED STATES our founding fathers decided that the only way for this country to servive was to come together and join in a UNION to repel threats foreign and domestic.
caddydaddy66 2 years ago
Union bosses force workers, who have not chosen its representation, to accept it, against their will. States were not forced by the founders into the "union."
This, from the founder of the AFL, Samuel Gompers:
"I want to urge devotion to the fundamentals of human liberty -- the principles of VOLUNTARISM. No lasting gain has ever come from compulsion."
Don't you see? Big Labor is in the business of compulsion, not voluntarism. It has strayed from the words of its founder, Mr. Gompers.
vandy44 2 years ago
"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned -- this is the sum of good government." That is Thomas Jeffersons' words. I believe that he is one of the founding fathers that you speak of. I just finished an American History class, got an "A"
caddydaddy66 2 years ago
Wow, thanks for making my case for me:
"...leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement..."
Don't see what he was saying? Individuals should be free from coercion. They shouldn't be forced, against their will, as is all to common with today's labor movement, to accept representation that they don't want. "Free." Don't you get it? Nothing in this country prevents anyone from being in a union. Send money to the AFL-CIO and join up...go ahead.
vandy44 2 years ago
He said MEN (together), not MAN (individual). There is a difference.
caddydaddy66 2 years ago
Pleasssssse don't fail to understand Thomas Jefferson.
He was, of all the founding fathers, probably the least inclined to think of men as "groups" but always as individuals, and he would have been appalled by the way unions use government power to force others to do what they want. The quote you used above is one of my favorites of all time and it seems you've criminally misunderstood it's meaning.
Quibbling about the word men, which meant every *individual* man, just hurts my brain.
Fountainhead83 2 years ago
How is a show of democratic majority forcing anyone to do anything? Isn't that how America works?
daveworksunion 2 years ago
That may be how we conduct elections for political office, however, that should not be the way the workplace works.
Again, no worker in this country should be forced to accept representation that they don't want and should't be forced to pay dues if they don't want the representation.
There should not be democracy in the workplace. If I am the best carpenter or electrician or plumber, and I want to represent myself and negotiate myself, I shouldn't be forced to accept union representation.
vandy44 2 years ago
I would never hire you. It's time we the workers get some say.
JustinTimes 2 years ago
Oh, OK. I will take my plumbing skills elsewhere.
I forgot to tell you guys, fixing pipes pays the bills for me.
I am a worker and I have my say...it is called the result of my work. If you are a good worker and care about your product and work as hard as you can and as smart as you can, you won't have any problems.
vandy44 2 years ago 2
I wouldn't hire you as independent contractor. Even as an individual homeowner I will only hire union plumbers, electricians and carpenters. Every time I've used non union "craftsmen" I've found them to be anything but.
Goneoffshore 2 years ago
So, under your premise, if 51 people say the government should run healthcare and 49 say they want to search around and get their own private healthcare, the 49 should have no right to do that? That is the premise you are operating under -- that the 49 should have no ability to choose what they want to do.
That also happens to be the premise of union bosses -- those who wish not to have their representation must accept it and pay for it...otherwise, they can't work in that workplace.
vandy44 2 years ago
So we should screw the will of the 51 in favor of the 49? The will of the majority should never be discarded for the will of the minority.
EichmannLiebe 2 years ago
You said this: "The will of the majority should never be discarded for the will of the minority. "
You said, "never."
So, if the will of the majority wants the minority to be sent off to prison for what they believe that is OK???
Well, you are a self-proclaimed "communist" according and you have a picture of the murderer, Joseph Stalin, as your profile pic, so, what should I expect?
Hey, can you tell me how many political opponents, men, women, and children Stalin had killed?
vandy44 2 years ago
You forgot this one:
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
Did they teach that one to you in history class?
Millions of workers in this country are forced, against their will to support a union that they don't want and never asked for.
What part of freedom and liberty do you seem to be ignoring?
vandy44 2 years ago
Doesn't sound like freedom you want, sounds like anarchy.
caddydaddy66 2 years ago
Define "freedom" and define "anarchy."
bg3449 2 years ago
What part of 'Industrial Revolution' are you ignoring?
norehct 2 years ago
workers aren't forced to join a union against their will.
youtube doesn't need your anti-labor propaganda.
fightingforcrayons 2 years ago
I'm glad we can agree on something -- workers cannot be forced by law into joining a union. However, they can be forced accept the union's representation, even if they don't want it or ask for it. In many states, a worker can also be forced to be dues in order to have or keep a job. That is the objection of millions of Americans. No worker should be forced to pay dues or accept representation to an organization that he/she never wanted any part of in the first place.
vandy44 2 years ago
Nobody is forced to join anything. Workplaces vote and union representation is determined by democracy. You can vote for or against it, and run for office. Just like, well, just like America. And if you don't want to have a voice in your workplace through a vote, you can always count on the benevolence of your boss. But hey, thanks for giving the anti-democratic viewpoint. Those of us that believe in American freedom of choice will debate and vote on things as is our tradition.
daveworksunion 2 years ago
what makes you think millions of Americans object to joining a union? joining a union is a workers best chance at improving their working conditions and wages.
see, this is why i called you out on anti-labor PROPAGANDA. you're confusing a 'close-shop' policy with forcing workers to join a union. you're also lying when you say 'millions of americans' don't want to pay dues to be in a union.
fightingforcrayons 2 years ago
Company bosses force NON-UNIONZED workers to accept lousy pay and no benefits. I am quite sure any halfway intelligent worker will soon realize why unions are necessary.
cbhillman1 2 years ago 2
You are using the word "Union" in two entirely different ways, and that's just absolutely silly.
Vandy is right, A. we are not a democracy (or aren't supposed to be) but a Republic, which protects individual liberties, B. that argument doesn't apply to private citizens anyway, as a corporation is not a government. It is a private entity owned by a group of people who bear all of the real risk in it's success or failure. They are not *obligated* to give you a job, as you aren't to accept it.
Fountainhead83 2 years ago
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daveworksunion 2 years ago
this country DID NOT found itself on the protection of the minority against the majority.
blacks were enslaved and had no rights. women had no rights. workers had no rights. poor people had no rights.
the constitution did not and has never granted people rights. rights are given to the people that demand and fight for them, thus the civil rights movement, women's liberation movements, and so on.
fightingforcrayons 2 years ago 3
Majority rules?
So if 51% of the people vote to enslave the other 49%, then that's fine?
Majority rule (democracy) equals mob rule. It's the same as two wolves and one sheep voting on whats for dinner.
bg3449 2 years ago 2
And a republic is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote....
bg3449 2 years ago
We are not talking about extremes such as that but people did get together an voted to criminalize slavery. The majority won!
caddydaddy66 2 years ago
But that's not the point.
YOU said "majority rules." So that means if the majority decides to enslave the minority, then it's ok.
If you don't agree with that, then you don't believe in majority rule....
bg3449 2 years ago
Of course they should be forced to join the union. Thats not the kind of choice the dip****s in this video want. Give people that kind of choice and they'll reject the union leaving it with less power.
dorvinion 2 years ago
I imagine that - assuming a union was - established - when the company tried to cut wages or benefits and thanks to the union and its bargaining agents - the benefits or wages were not cut - those 24 would realize the importance of being unionized!
cbhillman1 2 years ago
You've hit the nail on the head, unions can't let individuals represent themselves, the entire concept is based on 'equality for all workers.'
To make a distinction between productive and unproductive would mean the workers that deserve a kick up the backside or be fired could be identified. This is obviously not a desired outcome for the less productive workers...lol,
As I said before; there's a reason they are all B grade actors.
mctarmac10 2 years ago 2
It's called an "Open Shop" when some workers are union are some are not!
bstarner69 2 years ago
Thank you for your voice!
All Workers Are Unite
darkcorsom 2 years ago
This is masterful. Thank you thank you thank you.
cameo9876 2 years ago 2