I can keep pointing out stuff like this but you'll never even consider that its real because the people in charge tell us to go to church. People who didnt belive in church or god were ex-communicated, or killed during the inquisition(why would they do that?), thus only gullible people who reject fact where able to pass on their genes. Rinse and repeat with enough churches and only people who belive in god will be left
Humans eat rabbits. Some rabbits where too cute for the person to bring itself to kill it(e.g. prized pigs). Over enough time with enough humans around only cute rabbits are able to pass on its genes, hence all rabbits are cute(except for chinese people they dont count because they arent humans xD)
Monkeys eat fruit. If the fruit tastes bad the monkey spits it out and it is left to its own devices. if it tastes good the monkey digests it, unable to digest the seeds they come out with monkey feces which act as fertilizer, giving it a greater chance to pass on its genes. Rinse and Repeat only fruit that tastes good can pass on its genes in the presence of enough monkeys
@fantasy0coach easy computer tuffstuff, its called a question. To something I have not bothered to looked much into. You however, cannot answer an apparently simple, imbecilic question. instead like a F8ck that you are, choose to go dbag all over the internet on something that you deem so simple and have it all mapped out. So go be a teacher than. you are what Jim Rome reverse to as tripleU
lol, I answered your questions more accurately that anyone else has. It is because you are a complete moron that you would think we evolved from the same apes at your zoo. If you want to talk to adults, you better first get out of the sandpit, if you dont want to appear like a complete imbecile.
Try learning, that means non-fiction reading, so not the bible. Otherwise remain retarded and be ridiculed by the educated for your unfathomable deliberate ignorance.
@crish09r It's because they don't have the need to anymore due to easier access to living necessities. Adaptation and evolution go hand in hand. If something evolved, it's because it needed to adapt to a change in the environment in order to survive.
@crish09r Because evolution is not about one creature changing in its own lifetime, but rather about a population changing slightly from one generation to the next. Even if it where happening, the zoo have not existed for long enough for the change to be visible. Humans for instance, have changed very little in the past 100000 years.
@Kabitu1 OK, but when I hear evolutionists say that humans and apes split into two separate lines of progress.. from "something" back when; how is them revering to that moment as "from something" any different than a christian believe? the words "from something" mean to me that they as well have no definite answer about WHERE we came from. I don't have have a dog in this fight, I'm just opening discussion @camgan1
@crish09r Try to read your reply to me, and pay attention to any mistakes.
YOU are inferring that the common ancestor between humans and other apes are defined as "something", then goes on to bash this definition. Classic strawman.
I could just as easily say that christians are worshipping "some god", so clearly they dont even know what god they believe in.
We have a fine understanding of human ancestry. Try to study it if you have time.
@crish09r That you have asked the question demonstrates you would not be able to grasp the answer. Your example is a good one - if your ape were to turn into a human it would disprove evolution in an instant.
Atheists always try to tell you they're about people believing whatever they want but not shoving their beliefs down everybody else's throats.
But Penn seems very aggressively in-your-face about his non-belief. Just as much as any so-called "Bible-thumper" I've ever seen. If somebody wants to believe in God, why are you shoving your atheism in their face in all these videos?
Evolution and Creationism aren't incompatible. Look to the difference between so-called "micro" and "macro" evolution.
I did not CHOOSE to have a christian littering up my property with their door hangers and church pamphlets. I did not CHOOSE to have a christian tell me I am going to hell because I don't believe in what they do. I didn't tell them they are going to hell for believing did i? I did not CHOOSE to..... (insert any of the myriad of other in your faces that religious people do) - That's the difference
@RustyDaleShackleford "Evolution and Creationism aren't incompatible" They are compatible in the same way the flat earth theory and the spherical earth theory are compatible, one is demonstrably wrong, the other is scientific fact. can you guess which one?
@rememberthename33One is a theory--therefore by definition possibly wrong; the other is religious belief--therefore not provable or disprovable. You can believe someone's religious beliefs are wrong all you want, but it's opinion and you can't prove or disprove it. I DO believe in Creationism and evolution.
I believe God created and later only two of each animal was on the Ark. But once off those two animals procreated and natural selection took over making the different species we have now.
@RustyDaleShackleford The 'theory' of evolution is heavily supported by evidence, so much so that it is considered fact. religious belief has no evidence in support of it therefore no reason to believe it. "I believe God created and later only two of each animal was on the Ark." there is NO evidence at all to support any of that, in fact all the evidence is to the contrary, that there wasn't a global flood. the story of creation and the flood etc are demonstrably wrong.
@rememberthename33 What are you arguing I said I believe in evolution. I don't think all the evidence for Creationism is to the contrary, or most people wouldn't believe it. But it's not a scientific theory anyway; no religious belief is. Belief in the supernatural obviously isn't provable or disprovable by science. It's on a plane totally beyond that. You seem very vehemently opposed to others believing as they wish. I'm all for your right to believe what you want. Why can't Creationists?
@RustyDaleShackleford Yes but you also said you believe in creationism, or at least some odd form where you think god created everything and then flooded the earth (no evidence of this) and saved two of each animal (dinosaurs too!?) which then mated (which makes no sense btw because the two animals offspring would have to continually inbreed which would cause infertility as well as malformations, also some animals only have 1 offspring) and natural selection took over.
@RustyDaleShackleford You are right that belief in the supernatural is on a different plane, the same plane as fairies, unicorns, and all other fairy tales that aren't provable or disprovable because they DON'T exist. I never said you can't believe what you want, of course you can and I would fight for your right to do so. but when you believe in something as stupid as creationism I'm going to call bullshit, and frankly you should be embarrassed for holding such a belief.
@UltimateAVGN I don't understand the confusion, they can't be proven to exist because they do not, they also cannot be proven to not exist as you cannot prove a negative unless you searched every where and every when in the universe.
If you can't disprove their existence, then you cannot know for sure that they don't exist. Why? Because you haven't proven that they don't exist. I'm not going to believe in random things, but I'm also not going to claim that they don't exist when I don't know whether they do or not. Believing and knowing are two different things.
@UltimateAVGN Oh, so you DO have a reasoning mind! You just weren't going to let me exploit your obvious ignorance. Firstly, you are doing to "rememberthename33" is a "burden of existence" fallacy. You, of faith alone, believe in something without evidence, and because you can't explain how and why anything in the Bible is true, you place the burden on your opponent. What a fool. And THEN you troll people. So-so-SO much of a troll.
I win every argument in existence (except against the likes of Komen Bryce, Keldo, and other powerful people) because my cheeks flap at incredible intervals.
You are indeed persistent, clone. You've now resorted to replying to my comments on random videos. You're completely pathetic.
You call me a troll, but then you continue to respond. You must be a clone. If I was a troll, I would probably lie about being a Christian.
But clones don't care about logic! They only care about making your cheeks boil!
""burden of existence" fallacy"
Appeal to incorrectness. That fallacy doesn't exist. It might seem unfair to you, but it is not a fallacy, clone. But appeal to incorrectness is a fallacy!
You're appealing to incorrectness right this minuteness. You'd better knock it off, homosexual clone!
@UltimateAVGN Translation: I win because I talk alot.
2nd trans: You have found me on several videos (saying the same things to infuriate people); you are frightening because you are persistently trying to expose my nasty game of troll-business.
3rd translation: You call me a troll, but (insert something not defecting such an insult).
That last bit was really sloppy, because EVERYONE, by you, has been told you are Christian, therefore, you are a troll because you are not lying.
I disagree with you (and you're wrong), TheOkami1113. Therefore, you're a troll.
No matter how much you follow me around, in the end, it will be pointless. I'll destroy every single one of your arguments and let everyone know the truth: that the real you agrees with me and that you're just a clone!
Homosexuality is evil. You know this. You agree with me.
Now get your bootyass turned into a gigantic spaghetti noodle and suck all those stuffed animals up!
@UltimateAVGN Eh. Do you use some sort of hallucinagenic drug that makes you absolutely wasted? It must be REALLY good, because I don't even think it's physically possible to be so far up your own ass. It's obvious that you can't say anything intelligent, you fucking ape.
I came to the garbage of this place! I have the power! I have the bible! I know you're a mere clone trying to get my cheeks to boil.
It is futile. Everyone knows that you agree with me. Everyone knows that you're only pretending to disagree with me because you want my cheeks to boil.
@UltimateAVGN You are obviously superior in your ability to twist words and phrases in a way that makes people respond to something so sarcastically foolish.
@UltimateAVGN "Burden of proof" and you know it. Why do you cower behind fallacy after fallacy? If you EVER made a reasonable argument with someone about what was REALLY going on with you, you know you'd lose. That's why you aren't targeting what you don't like, but what doesn't make sense (red herring fallacy with a straw man fallacy with a cherry-picking fallacy)
Ain't evidence a bitch? You have been served. "because I say so" HA! What a crack!
@UltimateAVGN what's wrong with homosexuality? it occurs in nature therefore it is natural, you are born gay therefore it's not a choice, it harms no one therefore not dangerous. hating homosexuals is the same as hating black people or orange haired people or people with brown eyes it's just a genetic difference that cannot be controlled. Are you so homophobic because you worry you might be gay? also the bible is evil, nothing in it should be taken seriously under any circumstance.
"Are you so homophobic because you worry you might be gay?"
You can't prove me wrong by attacking me and saying that I'm a homosexual myself, homosexual.
It's wrong because the bible says so. You know that homosexuality is evil. You agree with me because you ran all out of truly will away. Therefore, homosexuality is evil. Therefore, you agree with me 100%.
@UltimateAVGN It's an appeal to nature only if I'm saying "it's good because it's natural" I'm only saying you can't say it's unnatural because it does occur in nature. I wasn't calling you a homosexual, I was asking if you are homophobic because you are afraid you are a homosexual, and you got overly defensive. No homosexuality is not evil, no I don't agree with you. "your cheeks are garbage!" I don't know what that means, it is not an english expression...
@UltimateAVGN You have yet to make a single argument as to why homosexuality is evil, other than the bible said so which is an appeal to authority. I will now respond the way you respond.
So you agree with me that the bible is evil, you have already been defeated.
all your arguments are wrong and you run because your cheeks flap/
the bible is evil. you know this.
You will not make my cheeks boil, turn to dust and die now!
@UltimateAVGN there is no such thing as appeal to incorrectness, and "you have already been defeated." is not an appeal to authority hahaha. "Trying to copy my greatness" appeal to copying, "You don't understand the true power of the cheeks." appeal to ignorance. Clone you will not get my cheeks, my cheeks will not boil.
you agree that I am right and that the bible is evil, you agree wil me 100%
I said the bible is evil therefore the bible is evil and you agree clone! cheeks!
@UltimateAVGN You're maing up fallacies because you have nothing to hide behind, are your cheeks boiling yet? you know that the bible is a lie but you cannot handle it can you?
what's wrong clone have you realised you are wrong and that homosexuality is ok and the bible is evil? you know this you already accepted defeat and now there's nothing left but to boil your own cheeks. clone.
you know you are wrong why fight what you know is true clone? you have already lost!
Hillbilly mutt 20 is now an existentialist Armageddon.
Therefore, all of your arguments are completely incorrect. You're a mere clone. A failure of a clone.
A mere Youtube intellectual.
Everyone can see that you so desire to be me. You don't truly understand what any of those terms mean. You don't truly understand the true power of the cheeks.
You're absolutely nothing. You can't stand knowing that you're wrong, so you want to be me!
@UltimateAVGN You talk of people I do not know, argument from ignorance, therefore all your points are wrong. You misuse the cheeks and therefore they have no power but they boil instead. how red are your cheeks from being boiled? you want to be right but you know that you are wrong so you hide behind lies like a true failure.
why do you hide clone? are you afraid that you are a homosexual and think that you are evil? it's ok if you realize the bible is a lie! now turn to dust!
Look at how I've broken your mind. Now you're only speaking nonsense (trying and failing to understand the true power of the cheeks). That or you're a clone.
Everyone on the grapevine is laughing at the sheer volume of your stupidity. Every single elite.
Now get your bootyass turned into a rumblehouse easy! Sucking that pile of stuffed animals up your butt was a mistake! A bouncehouse your ass will become!
@UltimateAVGN Your cheeks flap at such dismal speeds that it could not even keep the queen pelican in the long enough for her to scream out her whispers.
you talk about my bootyass but your bootyasscrack has so much magic in it that you forgot which way to turn first!
you tried to run but now you are simply hiding behind the cookery, and your cheeks are boiling in the broth.
what's wrong clone can your cheeks not take any more of the boil? why not just fall from the pillar clone
Look at how I've broken your mind. Now you're only speaking nonsense (trying and failing to understand the true power of the cheeks). That or you're a clone.
Everyone on the grapevine is laughing at the sheer volume of your stupidity. Every single elite.
Now get your bootyass turned into a rumblehouse easy! Sucking that pile of stuffed animals up your butt was a mistake! A bouncehouse your ass will become!
@ITAMonkey classical argument... and invalid, since that is not the meaning of the word theory... Look it up idiot. It's been proven and observed several times.
@ITAMonkey A scientific theory is one that has years upon years of scientific inquiry pointing to its reality. While a scientific theory is not a scientific fact, the only difference between the two is that the theory has minor things to work out and that's it. The basic parts of the theory are all but proven.
Meanwhile, creationism has absolutely nothing to back it up. Nothing at all other than a book written thousands of years ago by people who knew nothing about science.
@Rayven10 Damn you! My Creationists view doesn't work if you use scientific and historical facts! Can't we just stick to the stuff found in my big thick book that I've never read - but have had a regurgitated and skewed interpretation told to me by some guy at church. Lets just stick to stuff that Science can't refute....yet...
I kind of disagree with this argument but I found this video very funny I would honestly do that to one of my atheist friends but not to prove a point but to just be funny :P Actually I got a joke what happens when atheists sneezes should I say God bless you? Or should I just tell WHEN YOU DIE NOTHING HAPPENS :P sorry I couldn't help myself I'll shut up now :/
@OtterOfTheRiverWye Hahaha yeah dude I actually liked this video it made me laugh because in some if not some then a lot of cases that actually happens after scientifically proving....So on and so forth....So what does it say in your creationist book?.... Oh well uh......*SMACK* :D very funny indeed
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron..............Ironic how atheism fulfills prophesy. Good luck with your shiny pointy hat.
But creationist actually hav an argument. Evolutionist are the ones who can't prove evolution. Show me the transition from a bat to a whale. Their both mammals and vertebrates. If evolution was true there would b plenty of bones and evidence.
@fantasy0coach i do. but do you know the difference between macro and micro evolution? Btw u didn't answer the question. prove evolution! Give Me arguments.
you share dna with an amoeba and every other living thing on the planet. You are related to fish, plants and animals. pretty damn categorical, isnt it?
Now prove your invisible super beings are anything other than ridiculous and infantile imaginings of ancient dolts.
@fantasy0coach amoeba doesn't prove evolution of show the changing of one animal to another. just like animals have blood like us or plants need sugar like us its still doesn't prove evolution. i can give u arguments if u want. if so mssg me
@ITAMonkey Speciation events happen all the time. Keep in mind that the changes do not have to be morphological overhauls of the organism (i.e., dogs turning into cats). The two mosquitoes in your room could very well be different species of mosquitoes. If you're looking for a more dramatic example, then prepare to be disappointed because that only happens over millions of years.
Ring species are popular examples of new species arising.
@DeadFishFactory yes! you are partially right! micro evolution is proven true!(mosquitoe thing) BUT... big changes like im asking do need to happen. if u say it takes million of years then why cant we find hard evidence of these changes, like finding dinosaurs bones, that some are said to be about 245 millions years old.
@ITAMonkey Scientists don't make a distinction between "microevolution" or "macroevolution" because it doesn't matter. The latter is merely the compounded effects of the former (bear in mind that large morphological changes DO NOT have to occur for it to be considered "macroevolution").
The fossil record is rife with "macroevolutionary" evidence. Archaeopteryx is an example of fossil that is "changing" from a dinosaur to a bird.
@ITAMonkey evolution is a fact,the structure is there to be proven wrong find one small mistake in it or something which contradicts it and the entire system collapses,there you are now try and do it.any biologist will tell you that you can't study biology without accepting evolution.
@ITAMonkey But bats aren't whales. They're both mammals, yes, but they're still different animals. Different things evolved to become them. The logic you're using doesn't work due to the fact that the environment for both creatures are drastically different.
It's similar to asking why apples and bananas, which are both fruit, should have transitioned through the other to become their present yummy selves. It just doesn't work that way. :)
If anyone talks to me about creationism I tell to look around at their fellow man and ask themselves ... "Seriously, is this the best your God can do?"
I have but one truly un-breakable belief: That humans are, and always will be, stupid beyond imagination. We are not higher intelligence than other creatures. We are just the only ones capable of making up bullshit. Bullshit like the concept of higher intelligence, or religion, or education. We do nothing but bullshit ourselves into insanity, while all those other millions of creatures are out there living real lives in the real world.
Was in a park just a few days ago and saw a school class on a field trip. One of the kids broke off and came to the bench I was trying to read on. He made quite a fuss of being a scientist, with his magnifying glass; I suspect the little rugrat was annoyed I was there as there were several ants to torture right near me.
The kid asks me if ants are safe to eat and I remark that sometimes they carry this or that. He snidely quips that I'm a liar, as his glass can't see anything on them.
Yours is the simple and misguided view of an obvious imbecile. We have microscopes. What you espouse is "if I can imagine it, it exists". That is called, insane paranoia.
He hit him with a Bible.....THIS is what pisses me OFF!!! The Bible is the what CHRISTIANS believe....not CREATIONISTS. Everytime someone argues against Creation, its ALWAYS (in most cases) toward Christians. There are a lot more people that believe in Creation, so Why Us???? Its just annoying....thats all
@fantasy0coach Noooooo, I just mean Christians aren't the only ones but I feel like its always a Christian vs. Atheist argument and not a "Creationist" vs Atheist argument, for the MOST part. It seems like people always try to debunk the Bible and there are soooo many other text that people believe that talk about creation. Everyones not Christian. Thats all Im sayin....
@fantasy0coach It's that all Creationists aren't Christians. Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, and all real pagans are creationists because that is what their religion teaches. If you are one of these and don't believe in Creationism you are a liar and a fraud.
@fantasy0coach they do but they interpret the stories differently. Most catholics view them as just that-stories. They dont take the bible literally for the most part. dude i was catholic for 20 years i think i would know
@fantasy0coach like i said dude i was Catholic for 20 years i know more about it than you. You are making church out to be this sick cult when for the most part it was not. The church i went to taught love and compassion and the teachings of Jesus. Eventually i just stopped believing in it all. Doesnt mean i like the pope and all the infallibility shit i hate that part. But for the most part Catholics are good people and the way you pigeon hole them as credulous cult members is stupid.
Your stupdity is astounding, but not surprising considering you spent 20 years as a cult member. The money paid by your church as a branch of catholicism funds the pope and the vatican. Your church is a member of the catholic cult. Pretending it isn't, only makes you and the participants completely delirious and more insane than any fundamentalist christian who actually practices the cults orders to the letter.
Coach, you got it all wrong. What makes someone "Christian" is "Christ." That is the only thing all Christian sects have in common. Most Christians ignore most of the Bible and especially most of the Old Testament. A perfect example of this is Leviticus's Law, which puts eating shellfish, eating cheeseburgers, getting a haircut, cloth of two fabrics, etc all on the equal "abomination" level as homosexuality.
@hgryphon You make a great point, and my argument is this, If I tell you a story that is full of things that make no sense and cannot be true, then near the end I add in a part that may be true but you can not prove me right or wrong one way or the other, would you believe the part that could maybe be true...Why believe in one story in a book filled with such nonsense, Because Christians are afraid of dying. Me I am afraid of living forever under such an evil god, so I hope I just die when i die
@robtay1963 Actually, I'd question the whole story unless you could back anything and everything you said up with evidence if your overall claim was extraordinary enough. I think you're misreading what side of the discussion I'm weighing in on. I interjected mostly to squash Coach's modified "no true Scotsman" fallacy. ;)
Christ is the character dreamt up by the lunatics who wrote the bible for the christian delirium known as religion. it is their fairy tale, their christ. Anyone else claiming a different christ, is an equal delusional moron. But not christian. Whether they think so or not. They are creating their own version of someone elses imaginings. But are too butt fucked stupid to know it.
@fantasy0coach Well now you're making a different claim about "Christian" and "not Christian." Yes, there are multiple "christ" figures, but if it's Jesus, then you're automatically a Christian, even if your Jesus isn't the "mainstream Jesus." That's why there's over 1000 denominations of Christianity. And while it's true that every denomination will "no true Scotsman" all the other denominations, that doesn't make them any less Christian than one another.
@hgryphon No you misunderstood, I was giving another variation of your argument, unless I am wrong I assume that you like me are an atheist or at least you see the tremendous flaws in the bible due to it's incoherent nonsense and absolute lack of proof. Not to mention it's dinosaurs and unicorns....
@hgryphon In fact you do see my point by your first sentence, you would question the whole story. I am getting tired of Christians who say well a human Jesus may have existed there for the whole bible must be true. I say first prove that there was even a single contemporary story written about Jesus, as all I can find are stories from decades after he supposedly died. With out a shred of proof to back up there central figure how can they expect us to believe the highly illogical claims of the OT
@hgryphon OK, yes a supplemental argument....Sadly I have had some Christians comment that they do indeed believe in the whole bible and when i present them with a long list of horrible acts committed at the behest of their loving god, they say "Well you are taking it out of text". ??? Kill everyone even the children, but spare the virgins of marrying age". not really a lot of room for misinterpretation there. Christians how can you even accept anything as truth in book so twisted. cherry picken
@robtay1963 UM no pun was intended between kidnapping young virgins and cherry picken.....that last part refers to believing only what you deem fitting with your values.
My values come from wanting to live peaceably in my community, to get along with others, to protect my loved ones by not bringing the spite and anger of those around me. My willingness to give to various charities is not a means to build brownie points with my invisible friend, but away to help the suffering of others in some small way. I wrote this as the standing argument that Atheist don't have morals, We don't need imaginary friend to instill fear of hell for us to be good..
@robtay1963 "they say 'Well you are taking it out of text'"
This is a classic ploy. The reality is they're displacing confusion over the matter. They themselves haven't really thought about it (as I did, which is why I'm an ex-Christian). But matters of faith involve being 100% sure. So if there's an uncertainty, it OBVIOUSLY has to be on your end and not on their end.
@robtay1963 Sorry for the second paragraph of reply comments. I just wanted to add I've seen this exact scenario on The Atheist Experience where Russel and Jeff brought up a passage where God orders the killing of children. The caller stated the same thing you brought up. Russel responded "Theres a context in which killing children is moral?" And the caller refused to acknowledge this and continued stating that the hosts were taking it out of context so he could feel like he was right about God.
@hgryphon I just saw that a few days ago, but my statement is based on comments from Christians over the past year or so. Oddly though most ignore the question or excuse it, One guy actually went on a like 10 comment rant about How every word is true and so what, it is god and he can do what he wants and if we don't accept him we will burn forever in the lake of fire...of course my response was as apposed to spending forever with that immoral Megalomaniac, thanks I will take the lake of fire.
@robtay1963 I've always wondered just what true believers think is burning... After all, fire requires fuel, heat, and oxygen. Believers tell me the soul isn't physical, so it can't burn. A few have told me Hell isn't a physical place, so would there be oxygen? I suppose it could still be hot. Maybe Hell is a sauna and all the damned will simply sweat for eternity? But, you know, non-physical sweat. ;)
@hgryphon LMAO....you oddly I have been an atheist for about 16 years ago and the argument of what souls are supposed to be never came up. But I saw a video that claims to disprove all religions that claim an after life. And it makes sense. It describes how our brains store memories and information and how it is a chemical, physical process. Once we die the brain is dead and so how can a soul have any thoughts memories or anything. As I have said people believe because they are afraid of death.
I mean with no nerve center for pain how can we feel pain. Let's say that is true but also we do have souls, well if we don't remember who we are or what we have done and we can not feel pain anyway and we can not have logical cognitive thoughts who cares where we are. With out our eyes, ears and nose or a brain we won't know or feel anything..DUH..as for me I would be freaked out by the idea of living forever, I mean life is ok but I am not the least bit afraid of Dying I will just be dead
@robtay1963 And Yes I have read the bible and I know it says there will be a physical resurrection, kind of icky if you ask me, I want to be cremated as I don't want to take up space for a rotting corpse, so if I was a christian and i did believe and have enough faith to spend eternity with god would I be walking around as a pile of ashes forever....ewww LOL.....
@jazzmac03 Because the most widespread theories of creationism, in this hemisphere, involve the Judeo-Christian God and the recounting of Genesis from the Bible. That's why, in a nutshell.
@jazzmac03 I think that is because nearly all creationists are Christians. At least the ones that are politically motivated. Of course not all who consider themselves Christian are creationists.
Personally I think it most likely that the origin of life has something to do with either a complex event inside a star or extraterrestrial "seeding" of this planet. perhaps a combination of both.
At 0:56 you can see Teller thinking for a moment before smashing the bible in Penn's head and that is a misleading portrayal of a creationist. You see a creationist would not even think.
I was in the park yesterday and was sitting there and this christian comes up to me and tries to convert me and I gave a few good arguments against what she was saying and she ended up yelling at me, begging me, BELIEVE, BELIEVE, BELIEVE, BELIEVE, I wish I had my camera it would have made a great video.
Get yourself one of those tiny $100 camcorders and carry it with you at all times. --Come to think of it, pulling one of those out and saying "You don't mind being on YouTube, do you?" would be a great way to scare them away. :)
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Proof of evolution 3: the church
I can keep pointing out stuff like this but you'll never even consider that its real because the people in charge tell us to go to church. People who didnt belive in church or god were ex-communicated, or killed during the inquisition(why would they do that?), thus only gullible people who reject fact where able to pass on their genes. Rinse and repeat with enough churches and only people who belive in god will be left
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Proof of evolution 2: why Rabbits are cute
Humans eat rabbits. Some rabbits where too cute for the person to bring itself to kill it(e.g. prized pigs). Over enough time with enough humans around only cute rabbits are able to pass on its genes, hence all rabbits are cute(except for chinese people they dont count because they arent humans xD)
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Proof of evolution 1: why fruit tastes good
Monkeys eat fruit. If the fruit tastes bad the monkey spits it out and it is left to its own devices. if it tastes good the monkey digests it, unable to digest the seeds they come out with monkey feces which act as fertilizer, giving it a greater chance to pass on its genes. Rinse and Repeat only fruit that tastes good can pass on its genes in the presence of enough monkeys
luzzo422 3 weeks ago
Can someone explain to me why some ape down at the zoo is not turning into a man as we speak?? or are they just shy now 'cause people are watching?
crish09r 4 weeks ago
@crish09r
Yeah I can explain it. It is because you are a complete imbecile.
fantasy0coach 4 weeks ago 11
@fantasy0coach easy computer tuffstuff, its called a question. To something I have not bothered to looked much into. You however, cannot answer an apparently simple, imbecilic question. instead like a F8ck that you are, choose to go dbag all over the internet on something that you deem so simple and have it all mapped out. So go be a teacher than. you are what Jim Rome reverse to as tripleU
crish09r 2 weeks ago
@crish09r
lol, I answered your questions more accurately that anyone else has. It is because you are a complete moron that you would think we evolved from the same apes at your zoo. If you want to talk to adults, you better first get out of the sandpit, if you dont want to appear like a complete imbecile.
Try learning, that means non-fiction reading, so not the bible. Otherwise remain retarded and be ridiculed by the educated for your unfathomable deliberate ignorance.
fantasy0coach 2 weeks ago 2
@crish09r How did you get out of the zoo?
brunzmeflugen 3 weeks ago
@brunzmeflugen easy, I evolved
crish09r 2 weeks ago
@crish09r It's because they don't have the need to anymore due to easier access to living necessities. Adaptation and evolution go hand in hand. If something evolved, it's because it needed to adapt to a change in the environment in order to survive.
musicismylovee14 3 weeks ago
@crish09r Because evolution is not about one creature changing in its own lifetime, but rather about a population changing slightly from one generation to the next. Even if it where happening, the zoo have not existed for long enough for the change to be visible. Humans for instance, have changed very little in the past 100000 years.
Kabitu1 2 weeks ago
@Kabitu1 OK, but when I hear evolutionists say that humans and apes split into two separate lines of progress.. from "something" back when; how is them revering to that moment as "from something" any different than a christian believe? the words "from something" mean to me that they as well have no definite answer about WHERE we came from. I don't have have a dog in this fight, I'm just opening discussion @camgan1
crish09r 2 weeks ago
@crish09r Try to read your reply to me, and pay attention to any mistakes.
YOU are inferring that the common ancestor between humans and other apes are defined as "something", then goes on to bash this definition. Classic strawman.
I could just as easily say that christians are worshipping "some god", so clearly they dont even know what god they believe in.
We have a fine understanding of human ancestry. Try to study it if you have time.
Kabitu1 2 weeks ago
@crish09r You really don't understand the basic principles of evolution.
camgan1 2 weeks ago
@crish09r freeze yourself for a million years or so then go to the zoo and maybe you will see a man instead of a ape.
sparkle7979 6 days ago
@crish09r Would you like me to explain it?
GodDamnit7711 6 days ago
@crish09r That you have asked the question demonstrates you would not be able to grasp the answer. Your example is a good one - if your ape were to turn into a human it would disprove evolution in an instant.
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crish09r 4 weeks ago
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Love Penn & Teller! Religion is for numbskulls! My Atheist friends will enjoy "Religious Fanatic debates Atheist" on my channel. (Brace yourself)
Sweence 1 month ago
go read it first u idiot roach
ultrahuman50 1 month ago
THESE TWO ARE GAndoooos
ultrahuman50 1 month ago
Atheists always try to tell you they're about people believing whatever they want but not shoving their beliefs down everybody else's throats.
But Penn seems very aggressively in-your-face about his non-belief. Just as much as any so-called "Bible-thumper" I've ever seen. If somebody wants to believe in God, why are you shoving your atheism in their face in all these videos?
Evolution and Creationism aren't incompatible. Look to the difference between so-called "micro" and "macro" evolution.
RustyDaleShackleford 2 months ago
@RustyDaleShackleford The difference is that you CHOSE to watch this video.
I did not CHOOSE to have a christian littering up my property with their door hangers and church pamphlets. I did not CHOOSE to have a christian tell me I am going to hell because I don't believe in what they do. I didn't tell them they are going to hell for believing did i? I did not CHOOSE to..... (insert any of the myriad of other in your faces that religious people do) - That's the difference
9753flyer 1 month ago
@RustyDaleShackleford "Evolution and Creationism aren't incompatible" They are compatible in the same way the flat earth theory and the spherical earth theory are compatible, one is demonstrably wrong, the other is scientific fact. can you guess which one?
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33One is a theory--therefore by definition possibly wrong; the other is religious belief--therefore not provable or disprovable. You can believe someone's religious beliefs are wrong all you want, but it's opinion and you can't prove or disprove it. I DO believe in Creationism and evolution.
I believe God created and later only two of each animal was on the Ark. But once off those two animals procreated and natural selection took over making the different species we have now.
RustyDaleShackleford 1 month ago
@RustyDaleShackleford The 'theory' of evolution is heavily supported by evidence, so much so that it is considered fact. religious belief has no evidence in support of it therefore no reason to believe it. "I believe God created and later only two of each animal was on the Ark." there is NO evidence at all to support any of that, in fact all the evidence is to the contrary, that there wasn't a global flood. the story of creation and the flood etc are demonstrably wrong.
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33 What are you arguing I said I believe in evolution. I don't think all the evidence for Creationism is to the contrary, or most people wouldn't believe it. But it's not a scientific theory anyway; no religious belief is. Belief in the supernatural obviously isn't provable or disprovable by science. It's on a plane totally beyond that. You seem very vehemently opposed to others believing as they wish. I'm all for your right to believe what you want. Why can't Creationists?
RustyDaleShackleford 1 month ago
@RustyDaleShackleford Yes but you also said you believe in creationism, or at least some odd form where you think god created everything and then flooded the earth (no evidence of this) and saved two of each animal (dinosaurs too!?) which then mated (which makes no sense btw because the two animals offspring would have to continually inbreed which would cause infertility as well as malformations, also some animals only have 1 offspring) and natural selection took over.
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@RustyDaleShackleford You are right that belief in the supernatural is on a different plane, the same plane as fairies, unicorns, and all other fairy tales that aren't provable or disprovable because they DON'T exist. I never said you can't believe what you want, of course you can and I would fight for your right to do so. but when you believe in something as stupid as creationism I'm going to call bullshit, and frankly you should be embarrassed for holding such a belief.
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33
"that aren't provable or disprovable because they DON'T exist."
"because they DON'T exist."
"aren't provable or disprovable"
"aren't [...] disprovable"
"because they DON'T exist."
What?
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN I don't understand the confusion, they can't be proven to exist because they do not, they also cannot be proven to not exist as you cannot prove a negative unless you searched every where and every when in the universe.
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33
If you can't disprove their existence, then you cannot know for sure that they don't exist. Why? Because you haven't proven that they don't exist. I'm not going to believe in random things, but I'm also not going to claim that they don't exist when I don't know whether they do or not. Believing and knowing are two different things.
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN Oh, so you DO have a reasoning mind! You just weren't going to let me exploit your obvious ignorance. Firstly, you are doing to "rememberthename33" is a "burden of existence" fallacy. You, of faith alone, believe in something without evidence, and because you can't explain how and why anything in the Bible is true, you place the burden on your opponent. What a fool. And THEN you troll people. So-so-SO much of a troll.
TheOkami1113 1 month ago
@TheOkami1113
How comical! How comical!
I win every argument in existence (except against the likes of Komen Bryce, Keldo, and other powerful people) because my cheeks flap at incredible intervals.
You are indeed persistent, clone. You've now resorted to replying to my comments on random videos. You're completely pathetic.
You call me a troll, but then you continue to respond. You must be a clone. If I was a troll, I would probably lie about being a Christian.
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN
But clones don't care about logic! They only care about making your cheeks boil!
""burden of existence" fallacy"
Appeal to incorrectness. That fallacy doesn't exist. It might seem unfair to you, but it is not a fallacy, clone. But appeal to incorrectness is a fallacy!
You're appealing to incorrectness right this minuteness. You'd better knock it off, homosexual clone!
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN Translation: I win because I talk alot.
2nd trans: You have found me on several videos (saying the same things to infuriate people); you are frightening because you are persistently trying to expose my nasty game of troll-business.
3rd translation: You call me a troll, but (insert something not defecting such an insult).
That last bit was really sloppy, because EVERYONE, by you, has been told you are Christian, therefore, you are a troll because you are not lying.
TheOkami1113 1 month ago
@TheOkami1113
I disagree with you (and you're wrong), TheOkami1113. Therefore, you're a troll.
No matter how much you follow me around, in the end, it will be pointless. I'll destroy every single one of your arguments and let everyone know the truth: that the real you agrees with me and that you're just a clone!
Homosexuality is evil. You know this. You agree with me.
Now get your bootyass turned into a gigantic spaghetti noodle and suck all those stuffed animals up!
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN Eh. Do you use some sort of hallucinagenic drug that makes you absolutely wasted? It must be REALLY good, because I don't even think it's physically possible to be so far up your own ass. It's obvious that you can't say anything intelligent, you fucking ape.
TheOkami1113 1 month ago
@TheOkami1113
I came to the garbage of this place! I have the power! I have the bible! I know you're a mere clone trying to get my cheeks to boil.
It is futile. Everyone knows that you agree with me. Everyone knows that you're only pretending to disagree with me because you want my cheeks to boil.
"Eh. Do you use some sort of hallucinagenic drug"
Appeal to hypocrisy.
"you fucking ape."
Equivocation.
Homosexuality is evil. You agree with me.
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN (eye roll) Don't you have something better to do? Hope so. Because I'm done with you, here, too.
TheOkami1113 1 month ago
@TheOkami1113
How comical! How comical!
Retreating yet again, clone? How many times does that make it? The tenth? Or will you continue to reply even after you said you'd leave?
You can't stand the fact that my cheeks aren't boiling, can you?
Oh, yeah! Homosexuality is the abominationness this minuteness! You know this. You agree with this.
You know this hopes and dreams you hid in my closet? I dumped all over those. There were zero hopes and dreams left to dump on
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN You are obviously superior in your ability to twist words and phrases in a way that makes people respond to something so sarcastically foolish.
TheOkami1113 1 month ago
@rememberthename33
The point here is that God exists because I said so. You can't disprove his existence; therefore, he exists.
You know this. You agree with me, homosexual. You also agree with me that homosexuality is evil.
Why do you cower? You know of the garbage that I came to. There's no more truly will away for you!
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN "Burden of proof" and you know it. Why do you cower behind fallacy after fallacy? If you EVER made a reasonable argument with someone about what was REALLY going on with you, you know you'd lose. That's why you aren't targeting what you don't like, but what doesn't make sense (red herring fallacy with a straw man fallacy with a cherry-picking fallacy)
Ain't evidence a bitch? You have been served. "because I say so" HA! What a crack!
TheOkami1113 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN I don't understand where you're coming from, are you just trolling or do you want actual answers to the things you are saying?
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33
Oh, so what you're saying is you completely agree that homosexuality is an abomination? In your heart, that is.
In any case, you should refrain from claiming that everyone you disagree with is a "troll." Or are you a clone, too?
Homosexuality is evil. You know this. It's evil because the bible says so. Therefore, it is evil.
You agree with me.
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN what's wrong with homosexuality? it occurs in nature therefore it is natural, you are born gay therefore it's not a choice, it harms no one therefore not dangerous. hating homosexuals is the same as hating black people or orange haired people or people with brown eyes it's just a genetic difference that cannot be controlled. Are you so homophobic because you worry you might be gay? also the bible is evil, nothing in it should be taken seriously under any circumstance.
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33
"it occurs in nature"
Appeal to nature.
"Are you so homophobic because you worry you might be gay?"
You can't prove me wrong by attacking me and saying that I'm a homosexual myself, homosexual.
It's wrong because the bible says so. You know that homosexuality is evil. You agree with me because you ran all out of truly will away. Therefore, homosexuality is evil. Therefore, you agree with me 100%.
Therefore, your cheeks are garbage! Yeah!
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN It's an appeal to nature only if I'm saying "it's good because it's natural" I'm only saying you can't say it's unnatural because it does occur in nature. I wasn't calling you a homosexual, I was asking if you are homophobic because you are afraid you are a homosexual, and you got overly defensive. No homosexuality is not evil, no I don't agree with you. "your cheeks are garbage!" I don't know what that means, it is not an english expression...
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33
"and you got overly defensive."
Overly defensive? I merely said that you can't claim that I'm wrong because you think I'm a homosexual.
If that's "overly defensive" to you, then you even responding to me is overly defensive.
You do agree with me. You've been defeated already.
You appealed to incorrectness. That's what happened. That makes all of your arguments false.
Homosexuality is evil. You know this.
Turn to dust and die now!
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN You have yet to make a single argument as to why homosexuality is evil, other than the bible said so which is an appeal to authority. I will now respond the way you respond.
So you agree with me that the bible is evil, you have already been defeated.
all your arguments are wrong and you run because your cheeks flap/
the bible is evil. you know this.
You will not make my cheeks boil, turn to dust and die now!
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33
"you agree with me
Appeal to incorrectness. Nice logical fallacy!
"you have already been defeated."
Appeal to popularity.
"You will not make my cheeks boil"
You don't even know what that means! Such misinformation! You don't understand the true power of the cheeks.
Therefore, homosexuality is evil because the bible says so, and you agree with me 100%
Trying to copy my greatness, huh? I know you want to be me, but you never will be!
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN there is no such thing as appeal to incorrectness, and "you have already been defeated." is not an appeal to authority hahaha. "Trying to copy my greatness" appeal to copying, "You don't understand the true power of the cheeks." appeal to ignorance. Clone you will not get my cheeks, my cheeks will not boil.
you agree that I am right and that the bible is evil, you agree wil me 100%
I said the bible is evil therefore the bible is evil and you agree clone! cheeks!
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33
Appeal to incorrectness.
Therefore, all of your arguments are completely incorrect. You're a clone mocking the true power of the cheeks. That much is obvious, now.
The real you has already been defeated. The real you knows that homosexuality is evil.
Homosexuality is evil. You know this. You agree with me. You're just trying to get my cheeks to boil, clone.
You're (incorrectly) mimicking me because you so desperately desire to be me.
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN You're maing up fallacies because you have nothing to hide behind, are your cheeks boiling yet? you know that the bible is a lie but you cannot handle it can you?
what's wrong clone have you realised you are wrong and that homosexuality is ok and the bible is evil? you know this you already accepted defeat and now there's nothing left but to boil your own cheeks. clone.
you know you are wrong why fight what you know is true clone? you have already lost!
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33
Hillbilly mutt 20 is now an existentialist Armageddon.
Therefore, all of your arguments are completely incorrect. You're a mere clone. A failure of a clone.
A mere Youtube intellectual.
Everyone can see that you so desire to be me. You don't truly understand what any of those terms mean. You don't truly understand the true power of the cheeks.
You're absolutely nothing. You can't stand knowing that you're wrong, so you want to be me!
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN You talk of people I do not know, argument from ignorance, therefore all your points are wrong. You misuse the cheeks and therefore they have no power but they boil instead. how red are your cheeks from being boiled? you want to be right but you know that you are wrong so you hide behind lies like a true failure.
why do you hide clone? are you afraid that you are a homosexual and think that you are evil? it's ok if you realize the bible is a lie! now turn to dust!
rememberthename33 1 month ago
@rememberthename33
You've already been defeated.
Look at how I've broken your mind. Now you're only speaking nonsense (trying and failing to understand the true power of the cheeks). That or you're a clone.
Everyone on the grapevine is laughing at the sheer volume of your stupidity. Every single elite.
Now get your bootyass turned into a rumblehouse easy! Sucking that pile of stuffed animals up your butt was a mistake! A bouncehouse your ass will become!
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
@UltimateAVGN Your cheeks flap at such dismal speeds that it could not even keep the queen pelican in the long enough for her to scream out her whispers.
you talk about my bootyass but your bootyasscrack has so much magic in it that you forgot which way to turn first!
you tried to run but now you are simply hiding behind the cookery, and your cheeks are boiling in the broth.
what's wrong clone can your cheeks not take any more of the boil? why not just fall from the pillar clone
rememberthename33 1 month ago
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@rememberthename33
You've already been defeated.
Look at how I've broken your mind. Now you're only speaking nonsense (trying and failing to understand the true power of the cheeks). That or you're a clone.
Everyone on the grapevine is laughing at the sheer volume of your stupidity. Every single elite.
Now get your bootyass turned into a rumblehouse easy! Sucking that pile of stuffed animals up your butt was a mistake! A bouncehouse your ass will become!
UltimateAVGN 1 month ago
Isn't this, mostly, the first page of Dawkins' book?
DomeSwag 2 months ago
@DomeSwag Did not wait for the end of the video. Darnit.
DomeSwag 2 months ago
That's is quite accurate.
nichemichelle 2 months ago
Well, Teller had a good point!
PolitoLopez 2 months ago 5
Awesome!!!!!
plowingzero 2 months ago
"The Theory of Evlolution" theories are not confirmed. enough said
ITAMonkey 2 months ago
@ITAMonkey "God" was never confirmed either.
CODplayer90 2 months ago
@ITAMonkey classical argument... and invalid, since that is not the meaning of the word theory... Look it up idiot. It's been proven and observed several times.
pete9490 2 months ago
@pete9490 if proven show me the evidence of the transitions.
ITAMonkey 2 months ago
@ITAMonkey A scientific theory is one that has years upon years of scientific inquiry pointing to its reality. While a scientific theory is not a scientific fact, the only difference between the two is that the theory has minor things to work out and that's it. The basic parts of the theory are all but proven.
Meanwhile, creationism has absolutely nothing to back it up. Nothing at all other than a book written thousands of years ago by people who knew nothing about science.
Rayven10 2 months ago 3
@Rayven10 Damn you! My Creationists view doesn't work if you use scientific and historical facts! Can't we just stick to the stuff found in my big thick book that I've never read - but have had a regurgitated and skewed interpretation told to me by some guy at church. Lets just stick to stuff that Science can't refute....yet...
actracts 3 weeks ago
:57 is the best
MrHarleymonteiro 2 months ago
I kind of disagree with this argument but I found this video very funny I would honestly do that to one of my atheist friends but not to prove a point but to just be funny :P Actually I got a joke what happens when atheists sneezes should I say God bless you? Or should I just tell WHEN YOU DIE NOTHING HAPPENS :P sorry I couldn't help myself I'll shut up now :/
MrChach1ng 2 months ago
@MrChach1ng I prefer gesundheit =P (even as an atheist, though, I did laugh at your joke)
OtterOfTheRiverWye 2 months ago
@OtterOfTheRiverWye Hahaha yeah dude I actually liked this video it made me laugh because in some if not some then a lot of cases that actually happens after scientifically proving....So on and so forth....So what does it say in your creationist book?.... Oh well uh......*SMACK* :D very funny indeed
MrChach1ng 2 months ago
Even though I disagree with Penn on this video. He is so amazingly libertarian. LP(dot)org
tskjesusfreak 2 months ago
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The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron..............Ironic how atheism fulfills prophesy. Good luck with your shiny pointy hat.
nodice4me 3 months ago
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But creationist actually hav an argument. Evolutionist are the ones who can't prove evolution. Show me the transition from a bat to a whale. Their both mammals and vertebrates. If evolution was true there would b plenty of bones and evidence.
ITAMonkey 3 months ago
@ITAMonkey
I get it, you are an idiot. You should at least learn what evolution is before trying to comment on it. It just makes you sound spastic otherwise.
fantasy0coach 3 months ago 39
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@fantasy0coach i do. but do you know the difference between macro and micro evolution? Btw u didn't answer the question. prove evolution! Give Me arguments.
ITAMonkey 3 months ago
@ITAMonkey
you share dna with an amoeba and every other living thing on the planet. You are related to fish, plants and animals. pretty damn categorical, isnt it?
Now prove your invisible super beings are anything other than ridiculous and infantile imaginings of ancient dolts.
fantasy0coach 3 months ago
@fantasy0coach amoeba doesn't prove evolution of show the changing of one animal to another. just like animals have blood like us or plants need sugar like us its still doesn't prove evolution. i can give u arguments if u want. if so mssg me
ITAMonkey 3 months ago
@ITAMonkey Speciation events happen all the time. Keep in mind that the changes do not have to be morphological overhauls of the organism (i.e., dogs turning into cats). The two mosquitoes in your room could very well be different species of mosquitoes. If you're looking for a more dramatic example, then prepare to be disappointed because that only happens over millions of years.
Ring species are popular examples of new species arising.
DeadFishFactory 3 months ago
@DeadFishFactory yes! you are partially right! micro evolution is proven true!(mosquitoe thing) BUT... big changes like im asking do need to happen. if u say it takes million of years then why cant we find hard evidence of these changes, like finding dinosaurs bones, that some are said to be about 245 millions years old.
ITAMonkey 3 months ago
@ITAMonkey Scientists don't make a distinction between "microevolution" or "macroevolution" because it doesn't matter. The latter is merely the compounded effects of the former (bear in mind that large morphological changes DO NOT have to occur for it to be considered "macroevolution").
The fossil record is rife with "macroevolutionary" evidence. Archaeopteryx is an example of fossil that is "changing" from a dinosaur to a bird.
DeadFishFactory 3 months ago
@ITAMonkey evolution is a fact,the structure is there to be proven wrong find one small mistake in it or something which contradicts it and the entire system collapses,there you are now try and do it.any biologist will tell you that you can't study biology without accepting evolution.
Flash13Magic 2 months ago
@ITAMonkey ....HAHAHAHA wow, just wow.
SanguineBullet667 3 months ago
@ITAMonkey
Yes.
People really are this stupid.
Twilleh 3 months ago 2
@ITAMonkey But bats aren't whales. They're both mammals, yes, but they're still different animals. Different things evolved to become them. The logic you're using doesn't work due to the fact that the environment for both creatures are drastically different.
It's similar to asking why apples and bananas, which are both fruit, should have transitioned through the other to become their present yummy selves. It just doesn't work that way. :)
vqwavecrest 3 months ago
@ITAMonkey Modern creatures have common ancestors. They don't evolve from each other.
eurohim 3 months ago
@ITAMonkey First of all numbnuts, bats don't go into whales, and whales don't go into bats. They have a common ancestor. That's the key difference.
gredangeo 3 months ago
If anyone talks to me about creationism I tell to look around at their fellow man and ask themselves ... "Seriously, is this the best your God can do?"
bustermk2 3 months ago
I have but one truly un-breakable belief: That humans are, and always will be, stupid beyond imagination. We are not higher intelligence than other creatures. We are just the only ones capable of making up bullshit. Bullshit like the concept of higher intelligence, or religion, or education. We do nothing but bullshit ourselves into insanity, while all those other millions of creatures are out there living real lives in the real world.
lavalizard3 3 months ago
Was in a park just a few days ago and saw a school class on a field trip. One of the kids broke off and came to the bench I was trying to read on. He made quite a fuss of being a scientist, with his magnifying glass; I suspect the little rugrat was annoyed I was there as there were several ants to torture right near me.
The kid asks me if ants are safe to eat and I remark that sometimes they carry this or that. He snidely quips that I'm a liar, as his glass can't see anything on them.
Wikipunani 3 months ago
@Wikipunani This demonstrates the blinders most of contemporary atheism places on itself:
If my stone-knives-and-bearskins technology cannot detect something, it CAN NOT exist.
Agnostics I can respect. Myopic faith-based atheists are a helluva lot harder to.
Wikipunani 3 months ago
@Wikipunani
Yours is the simple and misguided view of an obvious imbecile. We have microscopes. What you espouse is "if I can imagine it, it exists". That is called, insane paranoia.
fantasy0coach 3 months ago
That must have hurt!
MomoTheBellyDancer 4 months ago
so whats the creationist argument?
BASH
oh jeez
wolfchicgalpal 4 months ago
believe in what say or I'll hit you.
whitevoid43 4 months ago
People, the bible it's just a fucking book....what't the big deal with it?
RichtoffenRoach 4 months ago 19
@RichtoffenRoach You can also use it to bash people on the head.
dumbo2021 2 months ago
@RichtoffenRoach it's full of lies and thought to be the word of god so a lot of people follow it blindly
Drvelasco45 1 month ago
@RichtoffenRoach Did you watch the whole Video? THAT IS THE THEIST STANDARD! If words don't work......VIOLENCE!
Mauler85 1 month ago
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"There are not laws without a lawgiver. But how does this lawgiver look?"
farrier616 5 months ago
"There are not laws without a lawgiver. But how does this lawgiver look?"
farrier616 5 months ago
"There are not laws without a lawgiver. But how does this lawgiver look?"
farrier616 5 months ago
He hit him with a Bible.....THIS is what pisses me OFF!!! The Bible is the what CHRISTIANS believe....not CREATIONISTS. Everytime someone argues against Creation, its ALWAYS (in most cases) toward Christians. There are a lot more people that believe in Creation, so Why Us???? Its just annoying....thats all
jazzmac03 5 months ago
@jazzmac03
So christians are not creationists?
fantasy0coach 5 months ago
@fantasy0coach Noooooo, I just mean Christians aren't the only ones but I feel like its always a Christian vs. Atheist argument and not a "Creationist" vs Atheist argument, for the MOST part. It seems like people always try to debunk the Bible and there are soooo many other text that people believe that talk about creation. Everyones not Christian. Thats all Im sayin....
jazzmac03 5 months ago
@fantasy0coach It's that all Creationists aren't Christians. Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, and all real pagans are creationists because that is what their religion teaches. If you are one of these and don't believe in Creationism you are a liar and a fraud.
Dragdamar 5 months ago
@fantasy0coach They are not the only ones, but the others are all ignored.
Rensune 5 months ago
@fantasy0coach They are not the only ones, but the others are all ignored.
Rensune 5 months ago
@fantasy0coach most catholics are not
TheMossad921 5 months ago
@fantasy0coach most catholics are not
TheMossad921 5 months ago
@TheMossad921
Well then they dont follow the bible, so are not catholic. They have made up their own new religion.
fantasy0coach 5 months ago
@fantasy0coach Not necessarily...
pochopaz7381 5 months ago
@pochopaz7381
They either accept the bible, and are christian, or they dont, and are not christian. Regardless of what they call themselves.
fantasy0coach 5 months ago
@fantasy0coach they do but they interpret the stories differently. Most catholics view them as just that-stories. They dont take the bible literally for the most part. dude i was catholic for 20 years i think i would know
TheMossad921 5 months ago
@TheMossad921
what then do they preach? shit they make up? If so, it's not a member of a religion, but a personal fantasy.
they are in fact not christian, they just pay money to a cult that they dont follow.
fantasy0coach 5 months ago
@fantasy0coach like i said dude i was Catholic for 20 years i know more about it than you. You are making church out to be this sick cult when for the most part it was not. The church i went to taught love and compassion and the teachings of Jesus. Eventually i just stopped believing in it all. Doesnt mean i like the pope and all the infallibility shit i hate that part. But for the most part Catholics are good people and the way you pigeon hole them as credulous cult members is stupid.
TheMossad921 5 months ago
@TheMossad921
Your stupdity is astounding, but not surprising considering you spent 20 years as a cult member. The money paid by your church as a branch of catholicism funds the pope and the vatican. Your church is a member of the catholic cult. Pretending it isn't, only makes you and the participants completely delirious and more insane than any fundamentalist christian who actually practices the cults orders to the letter.
You couldnt be more ignorant than you are.
fantasy0coach 5 months ago
@fantasy0coach @TheMossad921 May I interject, gentlemen?
Coach, you got it all wrong. What makes someone "Christian" is "Christ." That is the only thing all Christian sects have in common. Most Christians ignore most of the Bible and especially most of the Old Testament. A perfect example of this is Leviticus's Law, which puts eating shellfish, eating cheeseburgers, getting a haircut, cloth of two fabrics, etc all on the equal "abomination" level as homosexuality.
Okay, back to your argument!
hgryphon 5 months ago
@hgryphon You make a great point, and my argument is this, If I tell you a story that is full of things that make no sense and cannot be true, then near the end I add in a part that may be true but you can not prove me right or wrong one way or the other, would you believe the part that could maybe be true...Why believe in one story in a book filled with such nonsense, Because Christians are afraid of dying. Me I am afraid of living forever under such an evil god, so I hope I just die when i die
robtay1963 4 months ago
@robtay1963 Actually, I'd question the whole story unless you could back anything and everything you said up with evidence if your overall claim was extraordinary enough. I think you're misreading what side of the discussion I'm weighing in on. I interjected mostly to squash Coach's modified "no true Scotsman" fallacy. ;)
hgryphon 4 months ago
@hgryphon
Christ is the character dreamt up by the lunatics who wrote the bible for the christian delirium known as religion. it is their fairy tale, their christ. Anyone else claiming a different christ, is an equal delusional moron. But not christian. Whether they think so or not. They are creating their own version of someone elses imaginings. But are too butt fucked stupid to know it.
fantasy0coach 4 months ago
@fantasy0coach Well now you're making a different claim about "Christian" and "not Christian." Yes, there are multiple "christ" figures, but if it's Jesus, then you're automatically a Christian, even if your Jesus isn't the "mainstream Jesus." That's why there's over 1000 denominations of Christianity. And while it's true that every denomination will "no true Scotsman" all the other denominations, that doesn't make them any less Christian than one another.
hgryphon 4 months ago
@hgryphon No you misunderstood, I was giving another variation of your argument, unless I am wrong I assume that you like me are an atheist or at least you see the tremendous flaws in the bible due to it's incoherent nonsense and absolute lack of proof. Not to mention it's dinosaurs and unicorns....
robtay1963 4 months ago
@hgryphon In fact you do see my point by your first sentence, you would question the whole story. I am getting tired of Christians who say well a human Jesus may have existed there for the whole bible must be true. I say first prove that there was even a single contemporary story written about Jesus, as all I can find are stories from decades after he supposedly died. With out a shred of proof to back up there central figure how can they expect us to believe the highly illogical claims of the OT
robtay1963 4 months ago
@robtay1963 Well, I wouldn't call it a variation, but it's certainly a damn good supplemental argument. :)
hgryphon 4 months ago
@hgryphon OK, yes a supplemental argument....Sadly I have had some Christians comment that they do indeed believe in the whole bible and when i present them with a long list of horrible acts committed at the behest of their loving god, they say "Well you are taking it out of text". ??? Kill everyone even the children, but spare the virgins of marrying age". not really a lot of room for misinterpretation there. Christians how can you even accept anything as truth in book so twisted. cherry picken
robtay1963 4 months ago
@robtay1963 UM no pun was intended between kidnapping young virgins and cherry picken.....that last part refers to believing only what you deem fitting with your values.
robtay1963 4 months ago
My values come from wanting to live peaceably in my community, to get along with others, to protect my loved ones by not bringing the spite and anger of those around me. My willingness to give to various charities is not a means to build brownie points with my invisible friend, but away to help the suffering of others in some small way. I wrote this as the standing argument that Atheist don't have morals, We don't need imaginary friend to instill fear of hell for us to be good..
robtay1963 4 months ago
@robtay1963 "they say 'Well you are taking it out of text'"
This is a classic ploy. The reality is they're displacing confusion over the matter. They themselves haven't really thought about it (as I did, which is why I'm an ex-Christian). But matters of faith involve being 100% sure. So if there's an uncertainty, it OBVIOUSLY has to be on your end and not on their end.
hgryphon 4 months ago
@robtay1963 Sorry for the second paragraph of reply comments. I just wanted to add I've seen this exact scenario on The Atheist Experience where Russel and Jeff brought up a passage where God orders the killing of children. The caller stated the same thing you brought up. Russel responded "Theres a context in which killing children is moral?" And the caller refused to acknowledge this and continued stating that the hosts were taking it out of context so he could feel like he was right about God.
hgryphon 4 months ago
@hgryphon I just saw that a few days ago, but my statement is based on comments from Christians over the past year or so. Oddly though most ignore the question or excuse it, One guy actually went on a like 10 comment rant about How every word is true and so what, it is god and he can do what he wants and if we don't accept him we will burn forever in the lake of fire...of course my response was as apposed to spending forever with that immoral Megalomaniac, thanks I will take the lake of fire.
robtay1963 4 months ago
@robtay1963 of course there is no lake of fire or heaven or hell or god or Satan or Unicorn, darn on the last one, I would love to have a unicorn....
robtay1963 4 months ago
@robtay1963 I've always wondered just what true believers think is burning... After all, fire requires fuel, heat, and oxygen. Believers tell me the soul isn't physical, so it can't burn. A few have told me Hell isn't a physical place, so would there be oxygen? I suppose it could still be hot. Maybe Hell is a sauna and all the damned will simply sweat for eternity? But, you know, non-physical sweat. ;)
hgryphon 4 months ago
@hgryphon LMAO....you oddly I have been an atheist for about 16 years ago and the argument of what souls are supposed to be never came up. But I saw a video that claims to disprove all religions that claim an after life. And it makes sense. It describes how our brains store memories and information and how it is a chemical, physical process. Once we die the brain is dead and so how can a soul have any thoughts memories or anything. As I have said people believe because they are afraid of death.
robtay1963 4 months ago
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robtay1963 4 months ago
I mean with no nerve center for pain how can we feel pain. Let's say that is true but also we do have souls, well if we don't remember who we are or what we have done and we can not feel pain anyway and we can not have logical cognitive thoughts who cares where we are. With out our eyes, ears and nose or a brain we won't know or feel anything..DUH..as for me I would be freaked out by the idea of living forever, I mean life is ok but I am not the least bit afraid of Dying I will just be dead
robtay1963 4 months ago
@robtay1963 And Yes I have read the bible and I know it says there will be a physical resurrection, kind of icky if you ask me, I want to be cremated as I don't want to take up space for a rotting corpse, so if I was a christian and i did believe and have enough faith to spend eternity with god would I be walking around as a pile of ashes forever....ewww LOL.....
robtay1963 4 months ago
@jazzmac03 Because your book is basically the creationist manifesto. All of their ideas are from the Bible.
SteamyshotofFUN 5 months ago
@jazzmac03 Because the most widespread theories of creationism, in this hemisphere, involve the Judeo-Christian God and the recounting of Genesis from the Bible. That's why, in a nutshell.
pszymano1 5 months ago
@jazzmac03 I think that is because nearly all creationists are Christians. At least the ones that are politically motivated. Of course not all who consider themselves Christian are creationists.
Personally I think it most likely that the origin of life has something to do with either a complex event inside a star or extraterrestrial "seeding" of this planet. perhaps a combination of both.
undeadpresident 5 months ago
At 0:56 you can see Teller thinking for a moment before smashing the bible in Penn's head and that is a misleading portrayal of a creationist. You see a creationist would not even think.
thesilentskeptic 6 months ago
Heh, your argument is a little more sophisticated than the real creationist argument
NerdyIncorporated 6 months ago 25
More fine Bible disproving from Penn and Teller.
Not.
scrubdub07 1 year ago
Hahahahaha.
jaysonvalentine 1 year ago
I laugh every goddamn time I see this.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
0:15 and with worms crawling OUTTER YER MAMMAS PUSSHY
0:58 FUHH KEW
Drizzlerman 2 years ago
lol that always cracks me up
stonehartfloydfan 2 years ago
Looks like Teller just re-defined "bible-thumping" :D
338dmac 2 years ago 3
LOL - didn't see that one coming :)
deconverts 2 years ago
Third time I watched this and it still cracks me up!
Vogter2100 2 years ago 2
Check this out:
watch?v=O7-sPB5dh_E&feature=related
fantasy0coach 2 years ago
Penn and Teller Rock!
detersgumig 2 years ago
lol, tnx, I needed that
vgerdj 2 years ago
hahaha so true, so true!!
ytben26 2 years ago
ROTFLMAO
Vogter2100 2 years ago
roflmao
nelliediddle 2 years ago
I was in the park yesterday and was sitting there and this christian comes up to me and tries to convert me and I gave a few good arguments against what she was saying and she ended up yelling at me, begging me, BELIEVE, BELIEVE, BELIEVE, BELIEVE, I wish I had my camera it would have made a great video.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago 19
Get yourself one of those tiny $100 camcorders and carry it with you at all times. --Come to think of it, pulling one of those out and saying "You don't mind being on YouTube, do you?" would be a great way to scare them away. :)
carlcartman 2 years ago 2