I must say, the 4'33 piece is humiliating in my view - I was just waiting until I stumbled across the avante-garde music piece with no music - and I found it. This restores a little faith in him, though I'm uncertain it's high art, it sounds a lot better than "music" by John Reich. Purplep30pleater has a point though.
@FinaleGoofups Who the hell is John Reich? If that statement was an attempt to casually dismiss a composer who is held in relatively high esteem by almost all musicians alive today, its success was somewhat limited by (among other things) your inability to correctly recall his first name...
@ctfamily40 Steve Reich, just a typo. I sincerely doubt "almost all musicians" hold him in high esteem. That's like saying all literary experts think Thomas Pynchon is worth a minute of time. Who wouldn't like a composer who reduces writing music to ineptitude? Easy money.
I bet John Cage was perfectly capable writing melodic, tuneful, deep, and insightful music. But every one of these avant-garde composers is drawn towards composing outrageous music and noise. It is a real pity what they could've accomplished with their immense talents had they been influenced differently.
@dalecampbl5 avant-garde is supposed to challenge the norm, often to explore and challenge what we see music as, it's supposed to be outrageous. Why is it a pity that they used their talents to something which was important to them rather than important to everyone else?
I believe that a lot of people are missing the point of 20th century music. This and 4"33 were writen to disregard the previous musical rules, just like Beethoven, Mozart and Bach. 20th Century Music is just a way that composers said "Up Yours" to the rest of the world. John cage and others like him redefined the way music is written. And if you want music thats groundbreaking like 4"33 check out Bubbles by Stephen Stanfield
@ThePattyK213 what a stupid comment... what if people just wanted to express their music in their own way that just felt out of place with what went before? why does it always have to be reactionary?
I'm going to ignore the pretentious people praising 4'33 on every John Cage video to say that this is a very peaceful and beautiful piece. "Dream" is a very fitting name for this one
i dedicate this song to my grandmother. she has pancreatic cancer and has about 6 months to live. i'm gonna play this for her and i will always say i love her till the day she dies.
this is a piece where the distinctive sound is entirely due to the "echoing" technique and the video cuts off the reverb of the last note... Please add in the last couple of seconds.
Dream was written as a piano accompaniment to Merce Cunningham’s dance.
The music follows a rhythmic choreographic structure, using a fixed gamut of tones.
Throughout the composition resonances are sustained, either manually or with the pedal, soft and meditative, reminiscent of Erik Satie’s impressionistic music.
Essentially a single melodic line, it foreshadows the minimalism of Philip Glass, except for the last few bars.
@nickantonmusic Yep, things are the same everywhere you go. There is no escape except not to take part in it yourself and maybe do some things right for others to follow.
I love that he has called it dream. A simple and relaxing state of mind and a simple and relaxing piece. He's not copying a dream, he's comparing it to a dream
Musicians are the biggest collection of self-important weenies I've ever seen, fucking ever. Tell me, what does it matter that this melody is fucking easy? Seriously? Most of the supposed "greatest guitar solos of all time zomg" had easy fucking rhythms, and you know why they stick? Because people thought it sounded good.
Tell me about it - As a musician myself I'll be honest I'm sometimes guilty of it as well - it comes down to jealousy. Sometimes I'll hear a great bit of simple music - a simple melody or chord sequence, and I'll be jealous so I might discredit it by saying it's easy to write or whatever. I try not to, because frankly music is all about the end result - if you can say in 3 notes and 2 chords what someone else can in 50 notes, 12 chords and a key change - then more power to ya.
@wyssmaster it was maybe groundbreaking as an idea, but the reason i don't respect it is because i could have done it, it doesn't require talent, in fact, it doesn't require anything.
@ec123456789able You missed the whole basis of his genius. Those simple melodies only sound simple. The actual effort involved in executing them is immense. Also there has to be a great level of technique that comes from thousands of hours of practice. To the untrained ear it appears as nice music. But a learned listener can appreciate the subtle brilliance in a piece like this.
@ec123456789able It's perfectly fine to not respect it as a piece of music (because it might only barely qualify) but it's not something that does not require talent to produce. Cage has said that he really didn't want to do something like this unless he was fully behind it and felt it would be completely sincere.
Anyone can write down thirty bars of rests now and say "LOOK I HAVE PRODUCED A PIECE OF MUSIC" not that Cage has done it. It takes a special genius (or madness) to think this up
@EtroTheHedgehog + the beauty of silence itself, Cage thought that silence itself was something to have in mind and how silence could also express something to us, i know that is also an everyday sound, but i just felt the need to add it
As much as I want to despise John Cage for being such a silly avant-garde artsy-fartsy smartypants, and as much as I'd like to dismiss him as a total nutjob who nevertheless enjoyed a very successful career producing nerdy pranks & horrible noise for his snooty patrons & calling it "our new music", I just.... can't. The man was just too goddamned SINCERE about what he did, and most of his silly ideas were REALLY fascinating. John Cage was a guy who made you think, and I'm glad he was around.
this reminds me of how much i used to just listen to the sound of my own piano echoing when i was young. before i really focused on learning anything, those were the days.
@haidisemirychan : yeah I have the same experience, memories memories, especially when I play this, more than when I listen to somebody else playing it... makes me feel 30 years younger.
@haidisemirychan who says those day are in the past. Start improvising and letting go, listening. Those echoes are begging to be listened to again. As Cage proported, anything that can produce sound can be beautiful. We just have to keep our ears and minds open.
@pickinstone thats very true. i've been so trying to get somewhere... higher places with my music that i lost sight of moments like this that were the reason i started this journey anyways...
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I just discovered John Cage's 4'33'' ... being honest that's crap, a whole bunch of it. Those of you who try to fool yourself saying " ooh no that's music just to a whole different level of understanding that you mere mortals wouldn't be able to understand, it's the passion of absolute randomness " screw you, it's just silence a crap, I don't know why now a days people keep trying to turn crap made by people that's a little off into such a big deal. but anyways, this piano piece is very beautif
@TonkyTube Oh I know, believe me, I never judged him just by 4'33'', I'm sure he made wonderful pieces, in fact this piece has been my soundtrack for the past few days, it's absolutely magnificent. It's just that personally I believe 4'33'' was more a simple pause on a screenplay than a piece of art as many have said. I just needed to take it out on my last comment :P 4'33'' was just a threshold made by a musician so our imagination could fly between movements, but that doesn't mean it's music
@NevermindVzla no my friend 4'33'is not a silence.it is a pause so you can hear the sounds of the inviroment thats the actual perpose of the "composition".so its not a higher or lower but yes its differend level of understanding music and it has nothing to do with mere mortals and not.its how each person understands music.so 4'33'' its not actually a composition its john cage's perseption that music exept from freq sounds and notes can be something like the sound of a river for example
@hallugi Exactly what I mean... it's silence with some variations depending on who has the flu and who doesn't in the auditorium: I believe you people have been giving it too much importance, it's just silence mixed up with people coughing and the air conditioning of the place you're at.
But as I said on another comment, 4'33'' is just a threshold between the REAL pieces so you could just let your imagination fly, but that does make it music. Music is supposed to be repeatable, at will.
@NevermindVzla .you misunderstood 4'33''.dont focus in what you hear in a video of 4'33'' performed in a music hall cause you miss the point.go to a park close your eyes and focus to what you hear,do the same in your house in a beach etc.you''ll see thats not only coughing that you hear. for some people this is music.as i sayed 4'33'' it's not actual a composition but it represents john cage's perseption that music exept from notes harmony and rythm can be just sounds. 1/2
@NevermindVzla if you want type in youtube John Cage about silence and you''ll understand what im trying to say.as you say my friend the beauty is in the eye of the viewer so i think you are wrong to judje such a subjective matter like art and say what is real piece of music and whats not.sorry if you don't understand something that i sayed but english is not my native language. 2/2
@hallugi But I do get your point of view and somehow I see why you'd think that way, after all music has been a big part of humanity because it allows us to dream awake and imagine things, it is capable to transmit feelings to us. And as they say the beauty is in the eye of the viewer.. let's say the feeling of the song in the listener's ears then, which is why everyone has a different perception of 4'33'', it was made for us to imagine whatever we wanted...and everyone imagine different things
ive been delving into new types of music recently.. and i never knew the people who listen to music like this argue and bicker the same way 12 year old girls do on jonas brothers videos
@nickantonmusic Bickering is part of human nature. Whether it's two tweenagers arguing about their favorite jonas brothers or two scientists arguing over a controversial theory, it always happens. It's a good thing imo
@nickantonmusic I think it's mostly people who don't listen to this type of music it hear it, don't like it, and proceed to call it and everybody who listen to it stupid. And then people who do enjoy it start feeding the trolls and lots of hate ensues.
Of course they do - who do think those 12 year olds are arguing with?
The people who believe they have superior music tastes are the ones making fun of Jonas brothers, and Bieber etc because they need to show their elitism.
@nickantonmusic actually, compared to other youtube videos, this one's pretty mild - i found that music like these, where only the people who truly like it or truly know how to appreciate it, would have less random people posting whatever on the comments
@nickantonmusic What are you talking about. I'm pretty sure there's a consensus of opinion with the 12 year old girls on the jonas brothers videos, not too much arguing there. Bickering just shows different opinions.
@nickantonmusic and sometimes even worse because they are fucking snobs who envy each other for playing skills. spoiled people, what else can you say?
@lordaquaman pretty much everything cage did is influenced in some way by Satie (e.g. 4' 33" has a precedent in Satie's Furniture Music, the idea of background and audience noises being part of the focus of the listener's attention). After all Satie was basically a post-modernist in the modern era ;)
@christian502 You are so right! it has the same amazing timeless feeling to it, as if you can just linger in the musical space. It is exactly the same in minecraft, when, in deep and dark caves, sound suddenly blossoms without an afterthought.
@dop216 Nel mio commento non mi riferivo alla tecnica del brano, ma alle sensazioni che suscita all'ascolto che per me sono, appunto, di dolcezza, meraviglia e incanto: se, ad esempio, resto incantato dalla bellezza di una "semplice" margheritina di campo, io provo meraviglia, e non sto a dirmi: "ma questa non è un tulipano, o una orchidea, o una preziosa rosa", non sto cioè nè soprvvalutando nè screditando, sto semplicemente parlando di una sensazione da me provata.
So ahead of his time...such a beautiful piece. Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois took this virtually note for note in the music they recorded together in the 80s. I heard it years later and loved it... little did I know its origins.
Sound turns into music when the observer perceives it with an analytical mind ...which us white people are notorious for going about things, thats why there no peace on Earth.
The creative mind, the heart is the blue print to and from the creator<3
This brings me back to when I attended Upward Bound at Bowdoin College, back in the mid '70s. I would spend many a happy hour, listening to Cage, Bartók, Martinů, Schoenberg, musique concrète and other wonderful composers/genres.
Now I'm about to try my hand at avant garde with other like-minded musicians. I can't wait!
This sounds like a child playing with a piano, and i dont mean that in a negative way. It sounds like someone not trying to make a tune, not trying to impress anyone, just playing around with sounds that they like to hear and not caring what anyone else thinks.
I can't even start listening to it... Even the first few notes evoke in me the sublime melancholy - from another, abstract world - that I need to spare for especially unique circumstances.
This is... I believe this melody connects directly with my soul. For me, this piece - along with In a Landscape (by Cage, too) - is one of the most beautiful things in the universe.
You can really hear the Satie influence in this piece IMO.
fuckenloozer 1 day ago
This is WAY better than 4'33''
hustlafiveofour 1 week ago
wretchedness
werkzeug0 2 weeks ago
nice.... :)
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It's good to be heard. It's just like a dream. Everyday is a dream, every moment and second - we should treasure them.
StrandedMoon 1 month ago
It's good to be heard. It's just like a dream. Everyday is a dream, every moment and second - we should treasure them.
StrandedMoon 1 month ago
This is good. It's nice. It's pop. 4:33 is a more important work, richer, with greater implications, but I like this song too.
DickNixonArisen 1 month ago
I must say, the 4'33 piece is humiliating in my view - I was just waiting until I stumbled across the avante-garde music piece with no music - and I found it. This restores a little faith in him, though I'm uncertain it's high art, it sounds a lot better than "music" by John Reich. Purplep30pleater has a point though.
FinaleGoofups 1 month ago
@FinaleGoofups Who the hell is John Reich? If that statement was an attempt to casually dismiss a composer who is held in relatively high esteem by almost all musicians alive today, its success was somewhat limited by (among other things) your inability to correctly recall his first name...
ctfamily40 1 month ago
@ctfamily40 Steve Reich, just a typo. I sincerely doubt "almost all musicians" hold him in high esteem. That's like saying all literary experts think Thomas Pynchon is worth a minute of time. Who wouldn't like a composer who reduces writing music to ineptitude? Easy money.
FinaleGoofups 1 month ago
I bet John Cage was perfectly capable writing melodic, tuneful, deep, and insightful music. But every one of these avant-garde composers is drawn towards composing outrageous music and noise. It is a real pity what they could've accomplished with their immense talents had they been influenced differently.
dalecampbl5 1 month ago
@dalecampbl5 avant-garde is supposed to challenge the norm, often to explore and challenge what we see music as, it's supposed to be outrageous. Why is it a pity that they used their talents to something which was important to them rather than important to everyone else?
purplep30pl3eater 1 month ago
@purplep30pl3eater A point about "important to everyone else" - not necessarily about avant-garde in general.
FinaleGoofups 1 month ago
Everything John Cage created is worth paying attention to. Your life is richer.
MrShuggieTodd 2 months ago 6
This music is like the Thue-Morse sequence: endlessly following a simple pattern, constantly familiar yet never exactly repeating itself.
Very calming.
Theelepeltjel 2 months ago
@Theelepeltjel Most of the music that I listen to is like that. It follows a simple pattern that changes gradually throughout the song.
jarblewarble 2 months ago
can we call this surrealism? even if it's not, it sounds like surreal and honiric! incredible!
Cthulhuized 2 months ago
this is so beautiful and eerie, really want to learn it
also, great studying music :L
purplep30pl3eater 3 months ago
@purplep30pl3eater yup! :D you got that right mate!
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mattlepokora 3 months ago 7
@mattlepokora I know, right? Really annoying >__<
theclariman13413 2 months ago
not 1948. Maybe never, or always
davideleuzzi 3 months ago
eerie. very succesfully evokes dreamy imagery.
AnDyPCLAM 3 months ago
Do you remember those dreams you never wanted to end?
easternlights 3 months ago
I believe that a lot of people are missing the point of 20th century music. This and 4"33 were writen to disregard the previous musical rules, just like Beethoven, Mozart and Bach. 20th Century Music is just a way that composers said "Up Yours" to the rest of the world. John cage and others like him redefined the way music is written. And if you want music thats groundbreaking like 4"33 check out Bubbles by Stephen Stanfield
ThePattyK213 3 months ago
@ThePattyK213 what a stupid comment... what if people just wanted to express their music in their own way that just felt out of place with what went before? why does it always have to be reactionary?
ChibiRaikou 2 months ago
I'm going to ignore the pretentious people praising 4'33 on every John Cage video to say that this is a very peaceful and beautiful piece. "Dream" is a very fitting name for this one
Ajapam34 3 months ago
well fine...but without "Cage" in the signature...many would think it's just a bit of a nonsense improv, dull modal passages
jeppius 3 months ago
@jeppius I like dull modal passages....
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i dedicate this song to my grandmother. she has pancreatic cancer and has about 6 months to live. i'm gonna play this for her and i will always say i love her till the day she dies.
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MrMerrick75 5 months ago
99 years of pure genius.
TheMarioBrothers 5 months ago
ideal for games like silent hill
hamsterluv69 6 months ago
i cried, thumbs up if you cried too.
Qazc5 6 months ago
This is fantastic!
MrFrancoprinsloo 6 months ago
this is a piece where the distinctive sound is entirely due to the "echoing" technique and the video cuts off the reverb of the last note... Please add in the last couple of seconds.
btown2345 6 months ago 2
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Dream was written as a piano accompaniment to Merce Cunningham’s dance.
The music follows a rhythmic choreographic structure, using a fixed gamut of tones.
Throughout the composition resonances are sustained, either manually or with the pedal, soft and meditative, reminiscent of Erik Satie’s impressionistic music.
Essentially a single melodic line, it foreshadows the minimalism of Philip Glass, except for the last few bars.
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hoodofdefiance 7 months ago
very nice 10+++++++++++++
jenkafer 7 months ago
Beautiful and breathtaking.
xcamillesimardx 7 months ago
shitter dude!
murraybradshaw 7 months ago
Maravilloso sonido... un viaje impagable e inigualable.
LuisRivano 7 months ago
Sounds like a lethargic Debussey, in a very good way.
newwind07 8 months ago 4
No note closes the sequence (by traditional phrasal terms) but the piece may end anytime, just like a dream
Burdell22000 8 months ago 50
@nickantonmusic Yep, things are the same everywhere you go. There is no escape except not to take part in it yourself and maybe do some things right for others to follow.
AyumuVanguard 9 months ago
hmm, I found out about john cage because my music teacher told me about 4'33 and i thought he was a loony, but this piece really is beautiful
GarretsShadow 9 months ago
what an interesting person John Cage was
bluewings1992 9 months ago 4
Satie without the skip! Satie's age of horses's footfalls and ladies twirling parasols updated to hiroshima and beyond. Sad. Wonderful. ... but Sad.
6ollie66 9 months ago
I love that he has called it dream. A simple and relaxing state of mind and a simple and relaxing piece. He's not copying a dream, he's comparing it to a dream
GabrielleWolfmaze 10 months ago 2
Musicians are the biggest collection of self-important weenies I've ever seen, fucking ever. Tell me, what does it matter that this melody is fucking easy? Seriously? Most of the supposed "greatest guitar solos of all time zomg" had easy fucking rhythms, and you know why they stick? Because people thought it sounded good.
God dammit.
PaganWarDrummer 10 months ago 4
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Tell me about it - As a musician myself I'll be honest I'm sometimes guilty of it as well - it comes down to jealousy. Sometimes I'll hear a great bit of simple music - a simple melody or chord sequence, and I'll be jealous so I might discredit it by saying it's easy to write or whatever. I try not to, because frankly music is all about the end result - if you can say in 3 notes and 2 chords what someone else can in 50 notes, 12 chords and a key change - then more power to ya.
deathglow 9 months ago 2
@deathglow And I would agree, however this song is not one of those...the end result ain't so great.
Archetype77 8 months ago
@PaganWarDrummer SILENCE, PAGAN!
...excuse me. I couldn't resist.
falstocat 7 months ago
This is beautiful.
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chiledofthekorn 10 months ago
Oh, shut the fuck up about 4'33 already.
dangerbooboo 10 months ago 5
this is nice
kitchen867 10 months ago
sweet sounds, it makes me remember of my childhood....
belay93 10 months ago 2
Love the resonances
menalchus 10 months ago
those very brief moments when the music stops ...as if the piano is talking
fiveyearwinterkiss 10 months ago
There is something very raw about this. It's almost as if the finished piece is the process of a piece of music being written.
Klondike04 11 months ago
i 15 possono anche suicidasse
jexxx04 11 months ago
this is actually quite good. why does 4'33 receive so much recognition. it was total shit.
ec123456789able 11 months ago
@ec123456789able because while this is still unique it is actually music
4'33 isn't actually music in the same sense
this is more pleasant to listen to but 4'33 was more groundbreaking
wyssmaster 10 months ago
@wyssmaster it was maybe groundbreaking as an idea, but the reason i don't respect it is because i could have done it, it doesn't require talent, in fact, it doesn't require anything.
ec123456789able 10 months ago
@ec123456789able You missed the whole basis of his genius. Those simple melodies only sound simple. The actual effort involved in executing them is immense. Also there has to be a great level of technique that comes from thousands of hours of practice. To the untrained ear it appears as nice music. But a learned listener can appreciate the subtle brilliance in a piece like this.
bransened 10 months ago
@bransened i wasn't talking about this, i like this, it is 4'33 that i don't like.
ec123456789able 10 months ago
@ec123456789able It's perfectly fine to not respect it as a piece of music (because it might only barely qualify) but it's not something that does not require talent to produce. Cage has said that he really didn't want to do something like this unless he was fully behind it and felt it would be completely sincere.
Anyone can write down thirty bars of rests now and say "LOOK I HAVE PRODUCED A PIECE OF MUSIC" not that Cage has done it. It takes a special genius (or madness) to think this up
wyssmaster 10 months ago 5
@ec123456789able 4'33'' is a song that is completely made up of all the noise that the peolple wating make.
Cage is trying to get you to relize a beauty in just everyday sounds
EtroTheHedgehog 6 months ago 35
@EtroTheHedgehog + the beauty of silence itself, Cage thought that silence itself was something to have in mind and how silence could also express something to us, i know that is also an everyday sound, but i just felt the need to add it
Borjagonzalo123 4 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for John Cage 3
This song... makes me wanna cry
rodrigololnoob 11 months ago
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6ollie66 11 months ago
Reeaally beautiful music, like meditation.
PorroFirst 11 months ago
I dreamt of being in love.
tikinkss 11 months ago 8
Beautiful. Give's my head space/time to imagine,...
Autumnevening86 11 months ago
Add to my favorites
TheClassicalFun 11 months ago
As much as I want to despise John Cage for being such a silly avant-garde artsy-fartsy smartypants, and as much as I'd like to dismiss him as a total nutjob who nevertheless enjoyed a very successful career producing nerdy pranks & horrible noise for his snooty patrons & calling it "our new music", I just.... can't. The man was just too goddamned SINCERE about what he did, and most of his silly ideas were REALLY fascinating. John Cage was a guy who made you think, and I'm glad he was around.
alexmortland 11 months ago 5
Oh! If only one-tenth of the ambient / new-age piano drivel was this genuine and genuinely musical! Naive-sounding, yet intelligent without being coy.
Thank you, both performer and uploader, for giving access to this.
MuseDuCafe 11 months ago 2
this reminds me of how much i used to just listen to the sound of my own piano echoing when i was young. before i really focused on learning anything, those were the days.
haidisemirychan 11 months ago 105
@haidisemirychan : yeah I have the same experience, memories memories, especially when I play this, more than when I listen to somebody else playing it... makes me feel 30 years younger.
menalchus 10 months ago
@haidisemirychan who says those day are in the past. Start improvising and letting go, listening. Those echoes are begging to be listened to again. As Cage proported, anything that can produce sound can be beautiful. We just have to keep our ears and minds open.
pickinstone 9 months ago 4
@pickinstone thats very true. i've been so trying to get somewhere... higher places with my music that i lost sight of moments like this that were the reason i started this journey anyways...
haidisemirychan 9 months ago
@haidisemirychan
they still can be =]
shurikenspyder 8 months ago
@haidisemirychan
Beutiful comment. I totally agree with your point brother
Existentialexplosion 5 months ago
@haidisemirychan aren't those what dreams are, unfocused echoes?
Masterpeewee 4 months ago 2
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I just discovered John Cage's 4'33'' ... being honest that's crap, a whole bunch of it. Those of you who try to fool yourself saying " ooh no that's music just to a whole different level of understanding that you mere mortals wouldn't be able to understand, it's the passion of absolute randomness " screw you, it's just silence a crap, I don't know why now a days people keep trying to turn crap made by people that's a little off into such a big deal. but anyways, this piano piece is very beautif
NevermindVzla 1 year ago
@NevermindVzla don't judge Cage by only one piece. He do a lot of discs with "real" music.
TonkyTube 1 year ago
@TonkyTube Oh I know, believe me, I never judged him just by 4'33'', I'm sure he made wonderful pieces, in fact this piece has been my soundtrack for the past few days, it's absolutely magnificent. It's just that personally I believe 4'33'' was more a simple pause on a screenplay than a piece of art as many have said. I just needed to take it out on my last comment :P 4'33'' was just a threshold made by a musician so our imagination could fly between movements, but that doesn't mean it's music
NevermindVzla 1 year ago
@NevermindVzla no my friend 4'33'is not a silence.it is a pause so you can hear the sounds of the inviroment thats the actual perpose of the "composition".so its not a higher or lower but yes its differend level of understanding music and it has nothing to do with mere mortals and not.its how each person understands music.so 4'33'' its not actually a composition its john cage's perseption that music exept from freq sounds and notes can be something like the sound of a river for example
hallugi 1 year ago
@hallugi Exactly what I mean... it's silence with some variations depending on who has the flu and who doesn't in the auditorium: I believe you people have been giving it too much importance, it's just silence mixed up with people coughing and the air conditioning of the place you're at.
But as I said on another comment, 4'33'' is just a threshold between the REAL pieces so you could just let your imagination fly, but that does make it music. Music is supposed to be repeatable, at will.
NevermindVzla 1 year ago
@NevermindVzla .you misunderstood 4'33''.dont focus in what you hear in a video of 4'33'' performed in a music hall cause you miss the point.go to a park close your eyes and focus to what you hear,do the same in your house in a beach etc.you''ll see thats not only coughing that you hear. for some people this is music.as i sayed 4'33'' it's not actual a composition but it represents john cage's perseption that music exept from notes harmony and rythm can be just sounds. 1/2
hallugi 1 year ago
@NevermindVzla if you want type in youtube John Cage about silence and you''ll understand what im trying to say.as you say my friend the beauty is in the eye of the viewer so i think you are wrong to judje such a subjective matter like art and say what is real piece of music and whats not.sorry if you don't understand something that i sayed but english is not my native language. 2/2
hallugi 1 year ago
@hallugi But I do get your point of view and somehow I see why you'd think that way, after all music has been a big part of humanity because it allows us to dream awake and imagine things, it is capable to transmit feelings to us. And as they say the beauty is in the eye of the viewer.. let's say the feeling of the song in the listener's ears then, which is why everyone has a different perception of 4'33'', it was made for us to imagine whatever we wanted...and everyone imagine different things
NevermindVzla 1 year ago
I wonder what Adorno would have thought...
Bachacek 1 year ago
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rhio9 1 year ago
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rhio9 1 year ago
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rhio9 1 year ago
but is it art?
Benivey2 1 year ago
I've kissed my dream today. It's called Filipa... *
TiagoMcCready 1 year ago
This is so serene...not the typical John Cage experience.
PlayerOfPiano 1 year ago
@PlayerOfPiano There is actually quite a bit of serene piano music of Cage's.
nobodady1 1 year ago
I didn't know john cage had composed any pieces that were this beautiful
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Jusstfnsk8 1 year ago
i find this so beautiful
jamiebyrne77 1 year ago
ive been delving into new types of music recently.. and i never knew the people who listen to music like this argue and bicker the same way 12 year old girls do on jonas brothers videos
nickantonmusic 1 year ago 162
@nickantonmusic They don't. It's just youtube kids trying to be cool. You don't have people older than 12 crying around here :P
inasafeplace 1 year ago
@nickantonmusic Bickering is part of human nature. Whether it's two tweenagers arguing about their favorite jonas brothers or two scientists arguing over a controversial theory, it always happens. It's a good thing imo
AbsoluteZ3R0 11 months ago
@nickantonmusic welcome to the internet.
s3k71on8 11 months ago
@nickantonmusic I think it's mostly people who don't listen to this type of music it hear it, don't like it, and proceed to call it and everybody who listen to it stupid. And then people who do enjoy it start feeding the trolls and lots of hate ensues.
swordmaster373 10 months ago
@nickantonmusic
Of course they do - who do think those 12 year olds are arguing with?
The people who believe they have superior music tastes are the ones making fun of Jonas brothers, and Bieber etc because they need to show their elitism.
deathglow 10 months ago
@deathglow and vice versa
zombiebackrub 9 months ago
@deathglow ...or they actually dislike the fact that music like Bieber's music is what sells? That is not an unfounded frustration.
falstocat 7 months ago
@nickantonmusic people are quintessentially the same when they are defending something they enjoy.
Fruscianteistheman 9 months ago
@nickantonmusic actually, compared to other youtube videos, this one's pretty mild - i found that music like these, where only the people who truly like it or truly know how to appreciate it, would have less random people posting whatever on the comments
WhiteKeyness 9 months ago
@nickantonmusic What are you talking about. I'm pretty sure there's a consensus of opinion with the 12 year old girls on the jonas brothers videos, not too much arguing there. Bickering just shows different opinions.
Archetype77 8 months ago
@nickantonmusic it's the sad effect of the comment section on Youtube.
minasgekos 8 months ago
@nickantonmusic This is not new at all. This older than the fucking Beach Boys!
PaoloLegnetti 8 months ago
@PaoloLegnetti its new to him. time is so subjective
phantasmo14 8 months ago 5
@nickantonmusic It doesn't change whether you have a college degree or are 12, some people are just stuck in that mentality.
ZeitOner 8 months ago
@nickantonmusic and sometimes even worse because they are fucking snobs who envy each other for playing skills. spoiled people, what else can you say?
skutratufahija 4 months ago
@lordaquaman pretty much everything cage did is influenced in some way by Satie (e.g. 4' 33" has a precedent in Satie's Furniture Music, the idea of background and audience noises being part of the focus of the listener's attention). After all Satie was basically a post-modernist in the modern era ;)
DCioccoloni 1 year ago
Is this from "Four walls" ? Cause "Four walls" uses only the whites keys of the piano. "Dream" seems to use a key signature of Eb, though...
Pantruchois 1 year ago
Is this from "Four walls" ? Cause "Four walls" uses only the whites keys of the piano. "Dream" seems to use a key signature of Eb, though...
Pantruchois 1 year ago
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Linyude 1 year ago
it reminds me of Hens Zimmers's Inception OST, especially at 2:55.
Linyude 1 year ago 2
Am I the only one who suddenly thought of Minecraft?
christian502 1 year ago
@christian502 You're right :D
Kirbolio 1 year ago
@christian502 You are so right! it has the same amazing timeless feeling to it, as if you can just linger in the musical space. It is exactly the same in minecraft, when, in deep and dark caves, sound suddenly blossoms without an afterthought.
FeuVache 1 year ago
Che musica dolce e meravigliosa. E' un incanto ascoltarla.
25gianfranco1953 1 year ago
@25gianfranco1953
esagerato, è solo un brano di musica non dodecafonica, ma non è mica un capolavoro.
si prega di non sopravvalutare................
dop216 1 year ago
@dop216 Nel mio commento non mi riferivo alla tecnica del brano, ma alle sensazioni che suscita all'ascolto che per me sono, appunto, di dolcezza, meraviglia e incanto: se, ad esempio, resto incantato dalla bellezza di una "semplice" margheritina di campo, io provo meraviglia, e non sto a dirmi: "ma questa non è un tulipano, o una orchidea, o una preziosa rosa", non sto cioè nè soprvvalutando nè screditando, sto semplicemente parlando di una sensazione da me provata.
25gianfranco1953 1 year ago
Very impressive.....
Deki43 1 year ago
So ahead of his time...such a beautiful piece. Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois took this virtually note for note in the music they recorded together in the 80s. I heard it years later and loved it... little did I know its origins.
timages 1 year ago
Sound turns into music when the observer perceives it with an analytical mind ...which us white people are notorious for going about things, thats why there no peace on Earth.
The creative mind, the heart is the blue print to and from the creator<3
EricFinnerty 1 year ago
¿Tienes ocho minutos?
Dejate llevar
Sueña
jlbaena 1 year ago
excellent first time I have ever head this and it is wonderful
bpraag 1 year ago
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when does it stop being boring, over-rated crap
limosince2007 1 year ago
@limosince2007 yeah & when do you stop being an ass?
wiccaforall 1 year ago
This brings me back to when I attended Upward Bound at Bowdoin College, back in the mid '70s. I would spend many a happy hour, listening to Cage, Bartók, Martinů, Schoenberg, musique concrète and other wonderful composers/genres.
Now I'm about to try my hand at avant garde with other like-minded musicians. I can't wait!
daofktr 1 year ago
it is sad, that people don't have time anymore to listen to that music
Baby4Melancholie 1 year ago 4
Awesome. Can't believe this passed me by for so long!
EikC 1 year ago 2
@brownhairedgirl22 couldn't agree more.
laindav2 1 year ago
very minimalist, but very nice. almost like a sort of dream in music. :)
AbstinentUser 1 year ago 4
i fell asleep twice listening
jakiner 1 year ago
ok, i'm crying just now...
begbat 1 year ago
This is the only Cage song I can stomach.
HMSPolychrest 1 year ago
@HMSPolychrest you would also like in a landscape
1drummer214 1 year ago
it feels like touching cool silk....
skp2myLoo 1 year ago
Superb
CaribbeanDream84 1 year ago
This sounds like a child playing with a piano, and i dont mean that in a negative way. It sounds like someone not trying to make a tune, not trying to impress anyone, just playing around with sounds that they like to hear and not caring what anyone else thinks.
brownhairedgirl22 1 year ago 67
@brownhairedgirl22 A beautiful description...
Leodorus 1 year ago
@brownhairedgirl22 Yeah :) Yet, it comes out with a great rhythm that's so enjoyable to listen to.
Ninjikayatsu 1 year ago
@brownhairedgirl22 I am with you...it feels like absolute spontaneity :)
Brocksongs 1 year ago
@brownhairedgirl22 You Nailed It! That's the brilliance of John Cage
hofnerman1 11 months ago
@brownhairedgirl22 same way bach and mozart wrote some of their pieces (not all)
TheOriginalEntz 11 months ago
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kayvun 1 year ago
@kayvun the only thing that is lame, is your remark.
HolyHansemandse 1 year ago
this is beautiful. so sad
djdreamproductions 1 year ago
and Suzuki ...
stadsflanoren 1 year ago
Beautiful and soothing; ethereal.
marcoamedrano 1 year ago
Beautiful.
fragfestchampion 1 year ago
beautiful !
Serena
DreamPiano 1 year ago
I can't even start listening to it... Even the first few notes evoke in me the sublime melancholy - from another, abstract world - that I need to spare for especially unique circumstances.
This is... I believe this melody connects directly with my soul. For me, this piece - along with In a Landscape (by Cage, too) - is one of the most beautiful things in the universe.