What do you think of using the internet to find a spouse?

[realistromeo]

IT'S A MEANS TO AN END! nothing more! it expands ones horizons and connects people whom we might have never EVER known about or met otherwise, there should be no STIGMA attached to this, just proceed with common sense and truthfulness.

[reliefministriescc]

The problem with rating yourself is that most won't rate themselves honestly. God says the heart is deceitful no man can know it, that includes my own heart. The Biblical model is God brings the woman to the man. Why do we depend on God for everything except our spouse which is the most important relationship we have on earth besides our relationship to Jesus? Marriage is also the example of Christ to the church. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and ALL these things will be added unto you.

[caycug1]

What about this verse: "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." (1 Corinthians 7:27) It sounds to me like we aren't supposed to look for a wife. If you want a wife, and God wants you to have a wife, he will bring one to you. God is big enough.

[TheWayshowerTube]

Internet is honored. I thought it was a device created to delude all of you christians.

[AssemblyMinistries]

My wife and I met online and we've been married for over 5 years and are closer every year. The web, like real life, can result in both good and bad relationships.

[robert200690]

@AssemblyMinistries Amem brother , but wat he means is going online specific to look for a woman/wife/spouse ... Hope u understood now .., Shalom

[medievalman86]

I know a couple who met online, talked over email, skyped, and phone. they never met eachother until 3 weeks before the wedding, and then they have been married for 15 years, have 5 kids. "im not gonna spank you" :P

[robert200690]

@medievalman86 Amem brother , but wat he means is going online specific to look for a woman/wife/spouse ... Hope u understood now .., Shalom

[reliefministriescc]

@robert200690 amen!!

[tempemonkey2323]

Do you guys ever stop for one minute and think you have no evidence for your beliefs at all..... Your all a bunch of nutts....

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

I doubt you have any evidence for your belief either. And if you tell me that evolution is a fact I will reach through your screen and strangle you. No one alive today was there to witness how life began, and if you think some scientists can put forth theory and add a "fact" label on it to make it seem believable then you are just as irrational as you make creationists sound. Can you be 100% sure that life began with a bang? No, but you simply choose to believe what they say

[tempemonkey2323]

@jamel11234 Evolution may be wrong.... And suppose it is..... Does that mean that your god exists?

Science supports the idea of evolution and daily experience shows that all that exists is natural forces.....

Does science or daily evidence suggest your sky daddy beliefs have a shred of truth to them?

Didnt think so....

Again, I may be wrong, but at least I have a good reason and justification for my beliefs.... All you have is wishful thinking.

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

notice that I did not take a firm stance...and my point is that you are in no better position to take a firm stance than I am. It all boils down to what you believer. Whether is big daddy in the sky, or a "poof" and we are here theory. That is what gets me about you folks...you make the idea of a God sound irrational, when evolution is just as irrational. "Science Supports"..sounds nice, but you are still choosing to believe what science supports.choice is yours, choice is mine

[tempemonkey2323]

@jamel11234 Science will always be in the BEST position to take any stance on reality because it uses evidence, hypothesis, and it can be proven wrong.... Religion uses ancient texts, inner talk mistaken for divine inspiration, uproven so called miracles.... What else? Oh yeah, DOGMA...

Yeah, history shows that religion has been right way more times than science when it comes to deducing reality..... More like, religion is never right..

Educate yourself.... Please!!!

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

Whats more is that you are insincere. You are not an atheist because evolution convinced you to be. I am sure you had your mind made up way before you even knew what the study of evolution was.

[jamel11234]

Educate myself?? Hey I can look up scientific writings and cut and paste with the best of them. I read and I read often, so book smarts is not a problem for me.. I have a plethora of knowledge stored in my brain, But so what?? I am well educated. Education and belief are two different things. I know what the study of evolution consists of...your problem is not with what I know, it is with what I believe. I do not believe as you do simple as that.

[tempemonkey2323]

@jamel11234 Your right, I am an atheist because there is no evidence for god. (period).... I believe that evolution is the current best theory to explain our origins because there is strong evidence for this which has been deduced from the only reliable method of understanding the world.... Science....

If you understood science, like you claim, then you would understand that evidence for god equals zero.... Evidence for evolution equals, well above zero...

Where is your evidence for god?

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

Like I said before, all the words you are using sound nice and convincing but it boils down to belief. And if you believe it is the best theory, and a better one that those supporting creationism (your no evidence argument reveals ignorance on your part) then so be it. Evolution, like creationism is unobservable, unrepeatable, and refutable. You are at liberty to believe what you want to believe.

[tempemonkey2323]

@jamel11234 I seem to be missing something. You have evidence that your god exists and Im just not aware of this evidence?

Really?

Can you give me a link that provides evidence for god and then I can tell the rest of the world about it and become famous.

Face it, the difference between what you believe and what I believe is the difference between belief based on evidence and belief based on fairy tales...

Can you show me its not a fairy tale?

Science text books show that my beliefs are more.

[tempemonkey2323]

@jamel11234 There is a reason why my beliefs are taught at universities and your beliefs are not..... That is, the progress of mankind depends on beliefs with firm foundations.... Not self talk mistaken for divine inspiration and outdated immoral texts...

[tempemonkey2323]

@jamel11234 You seem to think that people choose scientific theories how you choose what church to go to.... No, that is not the case... You choose what you believe based on feelings and your interpretation of outdated texts.... I believe that evolution is true because the EVIDENCE cannot be denied (although I do admit that it may be wrong, you would never admit that you may be wrong)...

Again, where is your EVIDENCE for god?

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

I never once said that I could not be wrong..let me repeat: Evolution, like creationism is unobservable, unrepeatable, and refutable. Creationsim, like evolution (as you admitted), could be wrong.

[mutanthole2]

@tempemonkey2323 Evidence for God? 2 words: Holy Spirit. It's why Christians believe He exists, and non-Christians don't.

Says so in John 15:26, and inferred from 1 Peter 1:11.

Other texts you might wanna consider: Psalm 14:1, Psalm 53:1, Proverbs 1:7

By the way, foreseeing a possible follow-up argument, there's no difference in terms of "worthiness" between "believer" and "non-believer", both sinners, just that the latter acknowledges and repents of his sins to God, through Christ.

[mutanthole2]

@mutanthole2 (yeah I know I just replied to a 5-month-old comment, just giving my 2 cents worth)

[tempemonkey2323]

@jamel11234 One last thing. I know that sometimes science gets things wrong but this is its strong point. That is, how can we even tell if religion gets things wrong?

Religious belief cannot be tested and it can never grow or change fundamentally like science does.

Again, science gets some things wrong but we also know that it eventually works things out and gets them right. It has the ability to critique itself and change according to new evidence.

Religion only asserts and doesnt adjust.

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

Basically you are saying that evoulution is more believable than creationism. Fair enough. And you are of this opinion because of what the scientific community would deem facts and evidence. I get it

[tempemonkey2323]

@jamel11234 While I am at it, I would also like to point out that you have no evidence for your imaginary friend..... At least science has evidence for its claims, then they are tested, then they are expanded upon while the crap gets cut off and the truth stays on....

Ahhh, religion and science are totally different methods for deducing reality.... More like, religion is really no method.... Its wishful thinking...

Prove me wrong.... What is religions method? why is it reliable?

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

By using words like imaginary friend you are trying so very hard to make your point of view seem more logical than mine. You say that science has evidence for its claims--- you can take evolution and try to dress it up all you like by using words like science, evidence, reality-- fact of the matter is, you nor your scientific buddies were there when life began and neither was I. You believe in your "poof" life began theory and I believe in the imaginary friend.....

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

By using words like imaginary friend you are trying so very hard to make your point of view seem more logical than mine. You say that science has evidence for its claims--- you can take evolution and try to dress it up all you like by using words like science, evidence, reality-- fact of the matter is, you nor your scientific buddies were there when life began and neither was I. You believe in your "poof" life began theory and I believe in the imaginary friend.....

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

@tempemonkey2323

By using words like imaginary friend you are trying so very hard to make your point of view seem more logical than mine. You say that science has evidence for its claims--- you can take evolution and try to dress it up all you like by using words like science, evidence, reality-- fact of the matter is, you nor your scientific buddies were there when life began and neither was I. You believe in your "poof" life began theory and I believe in the imaginary friend.

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

I am not here to prove you wrong about anything. As I said before it all boils down to what we have chosen to believe, not how reliable our information is. You can dress evolution up with buzz words such as evidence, fact, deducing, etc all you want. Just because scientists label it a fact (despite the event being unobserved) does not make it a fact. Your belief is no more plausible than mine just face it.

[jamel11234]

@tempemonkey2323

I am not here to convince you that he exists, I am here to tell you that I believe that he exists. And "life experiences" is a poor choice of words. I doubt you deduced FROM life experiences that evolutions is correct...you probably had your mind made up about it before you observed any so called life experiences. And you ask is science suggests that sky daddy exists....the scientific community themselves are divided over evolution...40% even believe in a theistic evolution

[tempemonkey2323]

@jamel11234 40% of university teaching level anthropologists dont believe in god guided evolution So you are saying that any belief is valid?

Evidence is the knife we use to cut out the crap.. This is what science does..

Belief in science is much more likely to be true than belief in religion because it uses a superior method.. All of history is covered with science blowing the shit out of religious dogma!! Hmm Divine inspiration or science... Hmmm??

Are you serious?

[ADeCou87]

@ in slavery to Christ, thanks for your thought but what do you mean by the will of God? Are you suggesting God speaking? How is that even determined?

[BattleCry4Him]

If a church sets up an online dating service, they should do a background check and make sure the pictures aren't outdated. Then, I believe it would be a unique and successful dating service. :)

[lifesgood96]

I agree with InSlaveryTo Christ. I love Piper and consider him to be one of the greatest, most faithful preachers in America. But he's absolutely wrong when it comes to internet dating. Listen to Paul Washer regarding dating... that is Biblical.

[jeanlenor]

I disagree with john piper as well. A christian should find a spouse on his/her knees.

[RaisedinChrist]

SOO... according to piper... its sick and heresy to have church online, yet its ok to find a spouse online... Hmm...

[InSlaveryToChrist]

What happens if he/she's not that anymore? Or what happens if someone else comes around that IS more handsome/beautiful? You want to marry the person because you can talk and you're COMPATIBLE. What happens when someone else comes along that you can talk with even more and you're more compatible?

See how UNBIBLICAL this is? We should marry the person only because of LOVE that comes from the BEAUTY OF FAITH! CHRISTIAN'S MARRIAGE SHOULD BE BASED ON THE WILL OF GOD, NOT OUR OWN WICKED MIND!

[InSlaveryToChrist]

So much as I respect and admire John Piper, I must say here that he's making wrong solutions regarding dating.

God does NOT want us to find couples who meet all our SELFISH, SELF-CENTRED WANTS and DESIRES! If you marry a person because you LIKE BEING WITH HIM/HER, what happens when you don't like being with him/her one day? What happens when someone else comes around and it appears that you'd like to be with them even more? And you want to marry the person because he/she's handsome/beautiful.

[dugw15]

@InSlaveryToChrist

He said nothing about the reasons that a person should have for wanting to marry a certain person. He only spoke about the means of finding people. Hopefully a Christian using an online dating site would write his or her profie in such a way that makes it clear he or she aspires to honor God in marriage. In the same way, Christians using online dating sites can still use Christ-focused "criteria" for choosing who to look into and date. The means don't prohibit right usage.

[WarrantedFaith]

Haha Piper is great. I can really understand using the internet to find a Christian spouse. It's very difficult to find people in the world who share the same values, even within the church because of all the synergistic systems today.

[revivalfishing]

I love Piper... he is down to earth... :)

[UnrealHelix]

@revivalfishing lol I know

[lucasdasilvamaria]

Piper is tottally unpredictable. "Oh... my!"

[flagged18]

Haha

[seitler]

"I'd probably do it myself... I was so chicken!"

WIN.

[FillTheirVoid]

lol

[therealdrag0]

lmao

[AzNLogiK]

so funny! haha, i know a pastor totally against it

[wendwa]

Dr. Piper is really sweet! Lol.. "...pro'bly do it myself, hehe..." thanks for this!

[S7VIIN]

Awesome lol