Thoughts on Psystar / OS X on PC's

[dsFDFAHAHAHH]

By the time Apple finally licensed out their OS known as the clones it was too little too late now with folks sick of windows and looking for affordable alternatives like Linux now is the best time for Apple to license out Mac OS and gain far more marketshare then they have now

[dsFDFAHAHAHH]

History lesson bill gates tried to get apple to license out their OS but Apple refused So bill gates took that as an opportunity and did what apple didn't made and OS that any computer maker could buy that's why Microsoft gained dominant market share

[hurstfriend1]

Apple is all about looks looks looks ! Thy are so selfish and greedy! People their gripe with Psystar is so double standard . Has anyone ever reasoned about this !, Mac computers are P.C.'s too, because there is program on Os X on Mac computers called boot camp that has the drivers needed to install and run Windows natively on a MAC!! So now I think windows and all Windows based computer companies should sue Apple for running Windows just to prove a point! Case closed !!!!!

[codeythesilent]

@hurstfriend1

Windows doesn't have the EULA bullshit that OS X does :-( It wouldn't be possible to do that...

[wiigamer136]

@codeythesilent

Microsoft is not fucking greedy!

[codeythesilent]

@wiigamer136

I never said they were...? Calm your tits. Besides, it's a 4 month old comment.

[liberty211662]

Im tired of these ads and the clickable link video.

[PObserver]

Macfags are mad. They mad.

[MattNOntario]

I am using a Dell with os x 10.5, I downloaded the hacked version, and just installed it .... I bought a copy of Windows 7 and it sucked, so I just tried this out, and do not regret it!!

[Luellin1]

lol why oh why would apple let another company use there software and lose allot of income from there hardware sale as for choice there is a massive choice i'm guessing you done this pre 27" imac i5 and i7 quad core processors there pretty competitive on price more so for me as i know how to get discount on them and they last you allot longer than any pc would ppl are still running g4 apple mac's

[QuizooProductions]

Use Hackintosh... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[diskgrinder]

you're a lovely man, and I see what you're saying. But the reason why I bought my mac was the gestalt, the whole thing. I don't want the bmw experience force fit into a vw polo

[ThePCTutorialWorld]

Apple wont put os x on a normal pc, as they would loose mony,

[muk546]

no it would ruin the os

[ThePCTutorialWorld]

Not realy, but i suppose hackintosh is the closest were gonna get to mac on a normal pc box!

[Keytap15]

I totally agree with you fred. I'd love to have a mac but I just cant spend the amount there asking for when I could get a much better PC for nearly half the price. If they were to become more software based like microsoft and allow their OS to be used by other manufacturers, I would drop windows in a heartbeat. can you imagine building a custom rig based around OS X? It would be awesome.

[Aaronage1]

@Keytap15

I know what you mean! I'm moving away from Mac now, PC hardware serves my needs better and Windows 7 is a fantastic OS in itself :)

If i was given an option to install OS X on my PC without the headaches i would take it and happily pay for it :)

(this is deadfred here, aaronage1 is my new account :P)

[Keytap15]

@Aaronage1

Thats true. Windows 7 is the OS im running now, and even in the RC days, I haven't had any issues with it yet. Im not satisfied with one OS though so I would love to dual boot OS X on my PC. Im looking into trying OSX86. Any experience with it?

[dellot5]

Macs have PC hardware tweaked to work as a proprietary system and yeah i love how the Mac OS looks, but i don't agree with all the DRM contained on most items Including software apps.(now excluding Songs). they all know that pirates will get there hands on it anyway. why don't they rethink and come up with a new way to get to the consumers without making the loyal customers suffer. (don't tell me Steve he doesn't' support DRM cuz you know he does.)

[laurencefrazer]

apple, left then made his own company lol so fuck pc's and buy a real mac and dont by a hackintosh coz its not a mac at all, it more like them simulators you get for ps2, does not have the buzz as the ps2 e.t.c. i could go on all day

[CiniCraft]

you have no idea what your talking about. its not a simulation or i think you meant emulation. since apple macs started using intel proccessors it has been really easy to get os x working on a pc.

[laurencefrazer]

i didnt say it was a emulator, learn to read! i said for a example its like when you try and run a ps2 game on a pc, you dnt get the same quality as on a real ps2, same with a mac, run it on a pc, its crap, no updates because it can ballz it up, no support if you need it, and why would you do it when you can get a mac mini for around 350 in england lol

[AmericanTakeover]

What you are saying is complete bullshit.

Saying don't buy a hackintosh because it's not a Mac at all is kindda like saying "Don't buy Haggen-Dazs because it's not Ben & Jerry's at all". Mac is by fact, a computer with real AVARAGE- specs that cost a fortune only because it has OSX installed on it and has a bitten apple label on it. OSX is nothing but an OS. A good one - but you can get it for half the price and it wil even run better with a decent PC and a good OSx86 release. FOR FACT

[laurencefrazer]

no, its not. just go look at the da mapple ads and prove yourself wrong lol, fine go get a shit hacked pc running osx, then when a thew updates come out that wont be compatable because your on a pc that is not designed to run osx, kiss your computer goodbye

[AmericanTakeover]

It's oubvious out of what you say you know absoloutly nothing about hackintosh. There's nothing like "DESIGNED TO RUN OSX", PC's and Macs use same hardware - Maybe OSX is not designed to run on your computer. But of course there are easy patches to make it run perfectly.

I AM RUNNING 10.5.7 with minor graphic issue. A friend of mine is running Snow Leopard PERFECTLY on his PC, it is barely patched - and he can do everything you can do on a Mac FLAWLESSLY.

[laurencefrazer]

here is the inside of a mac pro, and the inside of a pc, zhooiball;files;wordpress;com/­2006/04/SlashDev01:jpg

switchtoamac:com/images/hardwa­re/macs/macpro/macpro_inside:j­pg, as you can see, mac's are clearly different as i said before than pc's when you open them up with this clear proof, plus if you use allot of firewire, how are you ment to use that on a hackintosh hur? you cant! so the shit hit the fan on that one.

[laurencefrazer]

& i dont need to run hackintosh on a pc because i get the real deal, macbook pro, mac mini and a mac pro, im not going to waste my time hacking a crap pc

[AmericanTakeover]

I actualy didn't understand what you really mean and that link of yours doesn't work. I don't care if the inside of Macs and PCs look different, and actually you can say whatever you want - I don't give a shit.

Because im running Leopard on my PC with no problems. It took exactly 15 minutes to install. Running just fine - so if you wanna keep bullshiting that I will lose my computer or anything - Do it all you want as I have some fun with my GarageBand ;)

[hex3n]

Laurence stfu and go back to school or hit up the library books nub chops. You totally get the same quality because it's the same chipset and hardware you lulzor copterststs. It is nothing like a simulator or emulator and yes you did reference it as emulating.

Actually just as of today apple is trying to take out hardware support such as the atom processor support, if you update to 10.6.2 with an atom processor you'll have a kernel panic. Oh and who told you that you can't get updates ???

[laurencefrazer]

making leopard e.t.c. legal for pc is not the point, if you open up a mac, you WILL see that it look nothing like a PC, so i think that no they should not release leopard onto pc coz the fact is that a Macintosh is nothing like a pc and people need to make macs and not run it on a shit pc, if they want to get apple in the top and kill microsoft, anyways did you know microsoft stole the first OS that apple made and bill gates started at

[DarkS3phiroth17]

apple sell hardware not software, look at the price of apple sw are very low, the only reason, ppl buy a mac pc, is for the OS, if they release it ..would be the end for them.

[DeadFredVideo]

True, you pay for the OS through the massive markup on Mac hardware :)

They'd just up the price to Microsoft levels for PC licenses. I'd certainly pay £150 for OS X (same cost as Windows 7 Home Premium)

[DarkS3phiroth17]

maybe you would, but most of the people i think would start just to crack it, and download it..also average user, prolly will not even want to use it, cuz is called mac, and for many people computer=windows.

how many people understand what an OS really is?

[TheRealHITMAN666]

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apple sw is pwnage

[otaku6patrick]

I do have the same view as you do. I like a PC box with the modular design and easy customization.

After having Vista I have been looking at OS X myself and putting that on my PC. I have used IBM for their high quality hardware and easy system recovery.

I do not like how Apple monopolizes their operating system to only their own machines. I too was looking for an in-between computer for people.

Cool that Pystar has make OS X work on a not apple machine. I plan to to the same with my machine.

[Cheapmodsonline]

I think apple knows there is a massive demand for mac, they should have like a version of mac that is made for pc. they will make more money.. but split it off to a different company... kinda like ford branched off to mercury.

[AllStarDeal79]

they actually wont make more money, in the 90's they released their software and it nearly KILLLED Them in 96, 97. They're a hardware company and make a majority of their money off of their hardware.

[Cheapmodsonline]

there hardware is so expensive haha. I use leo4allv3 anyways.. so i get it for free

[kevin336a2000]

sony vaio lt all in one rivals the imac

[RichieVibeVee]

i think that apple hardware looks feels nice and is somewhat practical and the OS kicks ass but the internal hardware sux. apple have taken a month and still counting to replace my 1yr old 24' imac which died. Can't count the amount of broken ipods ive had.

[control2980]

Psystar Rucks

[bogart266]

I agree with you 100%, I have a custom built PC that I did myself because I like making them myself. I use windows XP because I don't really have a real choice, I like playing games on my PC and if I didn't I'd probably use Ubuntu. I'd buy OS X if it was available like windows is and use it on my PC as most of the games I do play work or are buyable on mac also. Apple should look at psystar as a smart idea then start selling licenses for PC users.

[acdcdude1015]

if u like games u can use ubuntu ultimate gamers edition wich comes wit bunch of free games

[sonnytrujillo]

Thats one great thing about Apple. They arent all about money and more about the quality of the product, cause look at Microsoft. They where all about money, now look at the product...I love apple and i hope they dont license the Mac...it would be a sad day for apple lovers...my 2 cents..

[DeadFredVideo]

Thanks for your input :)

I would say though, apple is as much about money as microsucks :) The mark up on all apple products is huge, they make a helluva lot :)

[wiigamer136]

@sonnytrujillo

Dude, I noticed that this comment was 2 years ago, but have you tried Windows 7? It's quality is significantly better!

[sonnytrujillo]

@wiigamer136 yeah windows 7 is pretty nice actually.

[TendencyDriven]

I think its a good idea. And alot cheaper

[girlsdrinkfeck]

"end user agreement" Psystaris not an end user , its a company :D sothey are allowed to put osx on their own built hardware and sell it to the end user , since its not the end user that is putting osx on the hardware , apple has major failed on its agreement terms

[sopterean93]

idiot

[DeadFredVideo]

*sigh* Get a life.

[DeadFredVideo]

Another Update1

Ooer! Psystar are counter suing apple for anti-trust violations and that the EULA (license agreement) of OS X leopard be made void.

Somehow, i think psystar is driving straight into a wall with this one :P

More on engadget, search "Psystar to counter sue apple for antitrust violations"

[nightstep]

OSX wasn't made to be used on a PC, that's the point that people keep missing Apple software + hardware = 1 product. Sure it works on some PC configurations and that's all well and good but it is not what Apple is about, its like running PlayStation OS on a XBox360, its more that people can't be bothered saving the money for a Mac and that's a cop out.

[DeadFredVideo]

I agree that apple is all about the end product, made to fit system and such. It is apple :)

But still, i think in this case the way OS X is closed to Mac only hardware is not doing OS X or the Mac any favours. By keeping it closed in it puts off potential PC enthusiasts from OS X, those who want custom or specialist machines. Windows doesn't have a solid easy to use competitor and OS X would be the perfect choice, can't see linux becoming a n00b friendly OS for years to come.

[nightstep]

Shame though, Microsoft have become too arrogant to even listen to their customers needs. Its time they lifted their game some what, maybe then there would not be so much of a demand for OSX...oh well :)

[DigitalFX1]

While i agree that osX will sell like hot cakes if it moves to pc platform I would have concern over hardware. As of now one of the main reasons macs are stable and running smooth is because apple hardware is limited to approved hardware. If mac move to PC they would have to deal with numerous hardware vendors. hardware that has not been checked for performance reasons.

[DeadFredVideo]

The notion that non Mac hardware would be unstable or inefficient is not true.

Think about linux. It runs on pretty much anything and with good solid drivers its fine. As long as drivers are good, pretty much all hardware available of the shelf will be fine.

Yes, apple would have to deal with much much more hardware but as many have suggested a certified driver scheme would eliminate hardware with bad drivers from reaching end users PC's

OS X is rock solid, it would have no issues :)

[yertalert]

I agree! one of the only problems I have with linux is drivers for webcams! and these webcams would work on mac osx cuz they (the manufacturer) make drivers for Mac Os X! so yeah

[DeadFredVideo]

Update:

Psystar is gone lol Apple are currently suing them as im sure you know. It was going to happen lol

But...

Thats not the end of illegal mac clones, a new company has popped up calling itself Open Tech and its selling PC's with windows, ubuntu and OS X.

Modern mac clones aren't dead yet :)

[arnolddisco]

The website still works?

[DeadFredVideo]

Yeah, it went down at the time i wrote this but came back on the day after.

They ain't giving up yet lol

[macnerd93]

Apple use to have tones of choices of computers in the 1990s. That was the main issue no-one new which computer was right for them. Plus if you have any minor issues chances are other people with the same mac as you may also have the issue to, so the problem can get sloved quicker

[macnerd93]

thank good apple have sued them, it was on NY times homepage last night

[macnerd93]

Mac OS X should never be installed on PC hardware. even if apples market share goes up. I just don't think its right seeing UGLY beige boxes running something so stunning. I want the Mac to be unique & different, I don't want it to be common like windows

[macnerd93]

hi deadfred, its Macintoshmad from flickr here

[krazyblakk]

when apple tried to whoo intel from windows this is what you get

[andyschannel17]

I'm not saying it's wrong, it's understandable to want to run an actual stable operating system.

But when you said this was legal you were wrong. it is illegal to run OS X on non-Apple hardware.

[denisgiann]

Osx is so stable and reliable cause it runs with handpicked hardware by apple.if it tries to run with every shitty hardware on earth... it will be just as unstable as windows.Thats the main difference between companies.Apple wont sacrifice stability over a few more sales and then lose its credibility.

[DeadFredVideo]

In a sense, yeah.

But if they took the licensing approach (say to dell, hp, acer etc.) that wouldn't be an issue :)

Dell, HP, Acer, Asus etc. all have perfectly fine hardware, with great drivers :)

The only hardware instability issues i have experienced with windows are when using crappy cheap hardware :)

[mrdanny87]

Dell, HP, Acer, and Asus. All use cheaper and crappier hardware than what I would be prepared to put in my own home build.

Hence why my "stunning" and ultra thin dell xps 1330 which cost me 1300 pounds broke about 4 or 5 times in the space of a month an a half purely from hardware faults. They fix the laptops with already broken parts and take weeks to organise themselves.

[mrdanny87]

have since owned a new Macbook. Infact the macbook cost me less and is actually faster than the dell xps m1330. The macbook was without it's problems though. The first day it arrived the LED screen was damaged however I called up apple support and they gave me a straight swap within 2 days. The machine is over 2 months old and I havn't had a single problem.

[mrdanny87]

If I were to recommend anyone on which laptop to buy. I would always recommend an apple macbook. The build quality is in a league of it's own and the support is awesome. I think this is another issue with having os x on any other peice of junk hardware.

[mrdanny87]

The great technical support that apple has would have to be routed to all these different companies who would in general terms be supplying os x on crappy hardware, which is prone to breaking and prone to devalue the great name that apple has at the moment. This is fundamentally why apple won't do this.

However for a desktop.. for me there is only one way to go.. Home build. I do agree with you.

[mrdanny87]

I do wish I could install os x on my home build. Which is made out of top quality components. Dare I say it (better quality than apples) However it goes back to the fact that all these other computer companies are building and shipping piles of junk that the average consumer will pay for just because it;s slightly cheaper.

I'm sorry I've messed up on the commenting. I hope you understand what I'm talking about!

[matthew376]

Excuse me - you can install os x on your hardware!

[jamesjakejohn]

Make Tiger Runable on a PC

[AppleMac55]

You're right, this is a good oppourtunity for apple to see how people like OS X being on a PC box.

[foray22]

Very interesting , but have you heard about this situation?

Every significant Internet provider around the globe is currently in talks with access and content providers to transform the internet into a television-like medium: no more freedom, you pay for a small commercial package of sites you can visit and you'll have to pay for seperate subscriptions for every site that's not in the package.

[DeadFredVideo]

The death of the internet :|

Hopefully it won't come to that.

[yertalert]

NO!!!! it can't happen!! :(

[ReeceBest]

You do have the choice you can get a mac or a pc

[apocalypseap]

"You do have the choice you can get a mac or a pc"

If you're referring to the ridiculously monopolistic EULA term that only allows OSX on Apple-approved systems... lol. OSX should be available for other computers legally. Apple stole freeBSD and changed it a bit.

[lawrencejob1]

Psystar sells Hackintoshes. That's the point.

Having used one, it's clearly not as good as a Mac. OS X won't communicate with the PC's fan, so you can't even hear yourself think.

The only reason why it's secure, and stable is because they design only for their own hardware. If they licensed it for PCs, they'd loose that, and to be honest, it would be a poor OS, just look at the Psystar system. You've got to use it to see how bad it is.

Hardware sales are 4x that of PC sales.

[DawVideos]

They dont design there own if you see the cnet video its just a gigabyte micro atx motherboard(probably moddified) an asus power supply...

[lawrencejob1]

Sorry? Was that at my comment?

Yes, you're right, they don't make their own (assuming you are talking about Psystar) computers, nobody said they did. Have you tried using one, out of curiosity?

[DawVideos]

No I got confused between videos :). I havent tried one. My friend had a hackintosh it was qutie buggy with drivers and he shortly uninstalled it.

[apocalypseap]

"My friend had a hackintosh it was qutie buggy with drivers and he shortly uninstalled it."

Then he didn't install it and/or drivers properly. Oh well. In the right hands, it's capable of being perfectly functional.

[iJomo08]

i completely agree with you Aaron :D

[Brukki]

Apple will never license OS X to "PC" it would be commercial suicide, for so many reason they won't all fit here. you can't just say Apple can "remarket" its hardware its a Fortune 500 company, it's market plans & shareholder returns are based on constant growth for 10 or 15 year cycles, these kind of decisions impact everyone from suppliers & manufactures in the far east to the cleaners at Cupertino. This is one of the main reasons Apple keep OS X "locked in" its whole strategy depends on it.

[DeadFredVideo]

I need to do another update on this xD

[jackpierce10]

I hate that Psystar are stealing the hard work of people, then making money off it. Plus the open computer is shite, have you heard it ? I think them doing this is going to tempt apple to shut down the X86 community

[DeadFredVideo]

I think your talking about the hacintosh community, and yes they should definately pay for there work or at the very least give them some recognition :)

But apple doesn't lose a thing from this at the moment :) Apple can't shut down the X86 community, it would just keep coming back :)

[DawVideos]

Dosent the pystar use unmoddified osx Kernel?

[lewistpaul]

If apple released OS X for PCs then macs would loose what makes them special, not the hardware but the software that runs on the hardware. It would nolonger be exclusive and Apples hardware sales would deffinatley decrease. There would also be an increase in the amount of pirated apple software which means they would loose money on that also. Apple has got were they are today by having good hardware which runs great software. They should not have to put there software on Second Rate hardware.

[apocalypseap]

"There would also be an increase in the amount of pirated apple software which means they would loose money on that also."

... You are truly imbecilic if you actually think that. You're joking right? Please tell me you're joking because that's ridiculous.

"Apple has got were they are today by having good hardware which runs great software. They should not have to put there software on Second Rate hardware."

Wow; I guess you are a joke. Just stop posting about Mac vs PC, dimwit. Thanks.

[grayfox106]

OSX is Mac and Mac is OSX, when you say mac you think osx, when you think osx you think mac, and when you think pc you think windows (or linux) Don't merge them together, once you do Apple will have to cut down on all those features and make 5 versions so the people with their crappy PCs will have a version that runs on their PC, and it will ruin the whole experience and the exclusive feel about OSX and Macs And instead of thinking about those good looking Macs and Macbooks you'd think about PCs

[lewistpaul]

i agree completely

[DeadFredVideo]

Yeah OS X would become a PC operating system, along side windows ubuntu etc. but thats what we need. No one in the PC OS market has anything on microsoft, apple would if they got in there. A strong brand, loyal following etc.

I really couldn't see apple cutting down on features to suit everyones hardware, they are all about the latest and greatest features, thats not how they think. Microsoft try to cover all bases because they have to as the market leader.

It's a tough topic :)

[grayfox106]

But not everyone follows Apple for the OS, some just really like the Macs, or just not like the look/feel of PCs. Apple makes OSX work so perfectly and easily because they know what hardware is in each Mac so they can optimize the OS and the Drivers to go with each other, If they start making OSX for PCs then Apple wont know who has what and at what state, they would have to Up the price of the OS because of the extra costs to employ people to make sure it works everywhere.

[grayfox106]

Then if more people just bought it for their PCs then Apple would spend less on their Quality Control and we'd get a buggy OS like windows thats only good because it can work on alot of computers, and at the end of the day, that'd be the death of apple. Because people switch/use a mac because they want/like to be at the complete other end of the spectrum, Hardware wise and OS wise, not just have what the other guy has but different OS.

[CCNEAustralia]

I hope apple do take legal action and send this company broke. OS X is made to run on apple hardware and shouldnt be installed on anything else.

[GarrettDoyle]

No macs are cool and original b/c there exclusive to macs

[genie92]

i tried installing iAtkos on my intel pc

and failed, miserably!

[MacOSXrulez]

Steve Jobs won't allow it. He hastes beige boxes :)

[Bman0229]

i'm confused, osx, wouldn't ppl want leapord? please explain

[theotheridentity1]

leopard is a version of OS X, leopard is 10.5

[kevinklinkmuller]

yeah but it probebly wont be stable when its on a pc and it will end up like windows

[DawVideos]

its miami based :). I agree They arent gonna do anything about it as they are un updatable and they are making lots of money from the disk. I hope they do decide to make a legal osx86.

[DeadFredVideo]

Yeah apple can sit back and relax at this stage :) I can't see psystar selling enough to take a bite outta Mac hardware sales but hopefully make a big enough impression to get em' thinking :)

[ki2594]

no i don't think it should be taken off its shakles of mac hardware. Once they do this...its going to turn into what windows has become with wayyyy more viruses, etc. I hope they never do that. If you decide to do it "illegally" (thats debatable so don't think im saying its not legal) then thats your choice...but i don't think they should license it to pc boxes.

[DeadFredVideo]

Yep viruses, spyware, driver issues will all carry over but hey the price you pay :D

[ki2594]

i guess but i seriously would not want to go through that stuff again with the viruses and spam. etc etc just terrible mann

[DeadFredVideo]

I agree, part of Mac's appeal is the fact it is a niche computer and loosing it's niche-ness (is that a word xD) would amke it less desiarable to some :)

If apple were ever to consider it (which i son't think they will anytime soon) theres a lot of pros and cons lol

[ki2594]

yeah thanks for the vid though...keep up the good work!

[js1stuff]

Some spelling mistakes there lol Aaron.

[DeadFredVideo]

Damn it xD

[js1stuff]

Lol btw Aaron its Josh, thanks for the comment the other week on y vid a day in the life on a mac.

[hurstfriend1]

@ki2594 You do not know what you sre talking about man! Check this ! I have a Dell was built to run Windows So i changed the hard drive , Are you listening ! Same hardware but now i have Linux on the same machine no viruses !! same hardware as secure as a mac if not more . It's the OS people want not the hardware!!! You need to start thinking deeper! Got Cha!