It's funny that he's totally forgetting to mention that there are vast number of studies that document the income inequality that exists in gender when confounding factors are controlled. In other words, a man and a women who have the same resume working at the same job will usually result in the man earning more. As of 2004, it was estimated that on average, a penis worths at least 300k over the life time of earning than a vagina.
It has been in my experience, particularly with small business, that depending upon what additional benefits are offered by the employer, like health insurance, women, in general, cost more to employ. From what I've seen, the medical benefits for women can be as much as 3 times the cost for men. This has to be factored into pay. If equal pay (salary only) were enacted it would lead to less hiring of women due to this extra cost to the employer. Demanding equal pay steals opportunity from women.
I'm not saying this guys statistics are wrong, but society is fucked up, because it's still gender inequality. We socialize children into gender roles that impact men and women's decisions about their career paths. Boys often get more attention in school, even if it's negative. Teacher expectancy effect plays a huge role in the success and education of a student.
This video is a no shit Sherlock to most women and feminists. He must be talking to men. The wage gap is mostly do to social factors. But there is still a gap even when women are equal to men in every way. You would think this is because of discrimination but I think it is because Men benefit from having a traditional wife while most women must be single to be equal to men. So, they don't have that support at home.
@ihavekankles You think you have the rights to put down people and say others are lazy and unintelligent? Look hard at yourself! You are not even bill gates, there are millions and millions of people who make more money than you, you loser.
I am not using a straw. I am giving you a logical argument in response to your illogical argument.
You did not really respond to my argument. Your argument actual says nose jobs is 10 times more productive than building bridges.
Also for you people complaining about social work and sociology - they're maintenance work, to keep society productive, to deal with issues that affect individuals and the people around them. They're about understanding how the productive human machine we're all a part of actually functions, and making it run better and helping people to live happier lives. Thing is this is a public good, so while it has huge value it's not generally MONETISED. Public research is taken and used to make profit
Oooh good job, this will upset the feminists who prefer to blame everything on 'teh patriarchy' and men in general while portraying all women as victims... stupid idiots. Logic is beyond their grasp.
So what this is getting at is the real problem, which is the jobs women do, which, arguably, are just as important for society than those of men, are attached to lower salaries. This might not be directly discriminatory to women, but it is indirectly discriminatory. In any case, the statistics about the 75 cents a woman makes compared to a man's dollar might be statistically fallacious, but there obviously is discrimination toward women in the workforce. It isn't always "a choice" for women.
@axcertypo The fact 'male' jobs are valued higher has absoltely nothing to do with sex, but because their field are generally worth more to the market.
@Andsormida01 Really? You haven't noticed that 'male' fields of work all tend to be paid more, described as work that 'men are good at', and are fields that boys are encouraged to pursue, but girls are socially diverted from?
And there are plenty of crucially important jobs out there that aren't well paid for the work involved, coincidentally those traditionally worked by the classes at the bottom of the pile (women, the working class)
Yeah coal mining is incredibly hard work I imagine but nobody is suggesting that they should get paid a massive amount. Again, the market determines the prices and people get paid what they're worth. Simple as that really.
@cactustactics put simply, women don't work as well as men outside the home. They've always got half their minds at home and the other half on the job. Which means that as more women enter a profession, their inferior work attracts a lower wage which depresses the field of work as a whole. Which drives men out of the industry because there is pressure on them to earn more to be breadwinners.
@cactustactics If you have a problem with how girls are raised and socialized, then that's your problem. Parents will raise and socialize *their* kids according to what they think is right. *You* can raise your kids the way you think is right. Evolution will sort everyone out in the end. Throughout history there are examples of women who beat men at men's own game. They didn't ask for the rules to be changed to accommodate them.
@hellznrg It's not about how parents raise kids, it's about the society they're raised in (which also influences the parents' attitudes)
There is no 'men's own game' and you shouldn't be surprised that other people (who happen to be women) are able to succeed at the same things.But you treat it as something notable, something unexpected, without asking yourself how you came to see men and women as unequal in the first place.Everyone becomes the person they are by growing up under this influence
@cactustactics I also think you don't understand economics very well. Jobs aren't paid according to the amount of work involved. Jobs are paid whatever it takes to fill those jobs. Next time, when you see someone being paid a lot and someone else being paid less, the reason is (assuming no affirmative action) because there were fewer takers for the former job and more takers for the latter job. that's pretty much the long and short of it
If a woman is going into a field which pays less than that's her problem. If you want to get paid more become an engineer or a physicist. You can't be crazy enough to think a sociology degree is as good as a physics degree.
@ihavekankles We'd have to have a long debate about contribution to society. I think you must agree that jobs should pay based on contribution to society rather than on difficulty, due to the latter being a very ambiguous idea and the former being quantifiable in most cases. I believe that a social worker should be paid at least equal to a physicist if not more.
I think it's more difficult to get a physics degree, intellectually, but what does that even mean?
The market determines the prices, if they weren't worth that much then they wouldn't be paid that much. It takes 4 years of HARD work to become a physicist, not the same with a social worker. You have to be a lot smarter to get a physics degree than some silly worthless degree like sociology or criminology.
What you forget is that social workers don't contribute to society, they don't create any wealth they just look after other people who contribute nothing to society.
@ihavekankles Contribution to society does not mean contribution to the economy. This is where free market advocates need to wake up. I suggest you read a bit more about social work and you will realize that they don't do what you think they do. I find it pretty insulting for you to claim that of social work.
We cannot let the market determine everything, or we willl be left with a heartless, cold, individualist society with no humanity left. An absolute free market would make us money robots.
@hellznrg Yes, you're right. I am against all statism.
Intelligence doesn't determine worth. Think about it a bit.
I never called anyone a nazi. You're confusing nazism with fascism.
If I'm intelligent but lazy, physically unfit or unhealthy, you could be sure that I won't be very productive or careful and meticulous. Intelligence and productivity are two distinct attributes.
@ihavekankles That's false, and I don't see how it has anything to do with what we're discussing. Sedentary, lazy people are there to show us the flaws in our system and to compare ourselves to.
@axcertypo Intelligence does determine worth, which needn't have anything to do with fascism. Anyway, godwin's law. Intelligence determines productivity and quality of work. Which may be worth a lot to an employer depending on the field of work.
@ihavekankles sounds like you have personal issues with sociologists and social workers, as well as having no idea what they actually do. You need to broaden your horizons a bit, the world's a bit more complicated than people selling things
Also the market is not rational, not by a long shot, and people aren't paid what they're worth- otherwise there'd be no profit involved. People are paid as little as possible, or as much as they can get, depending which side of the power structure they're on
People are paid exactly what they're worth. If they're not worth it then they're paid less, if they're worth more then they're paid more. Market is simple supply and demand, that's entirely rational. And a social worker shouldn't get paid as much as a physicist. Anyone can be a social worker, to be a physicist requires intelligence.
People who get paid millions a year? They deserve it; they're worth it. If they weren't worth it they wouldn't be paid it.
@ihavekankles your last line there is completely circular logic. The fact you can't tell is the entire problem
Here's how capitalism works - you pay someone to do some work. That work has monetary worth to your business. You pay them less than their work is worth, the difference is profit. The less you pay them, the more profit you make. Your ability to pay less is based on myriad social, regulatory and economic factors - the work is still worth the same. Sweatshop labour produces the same work
@cactustactics faulty reasoning there: you pay them less than they're worth, they'll go to someone else who pays them what they're really worth. You pay them more than they're worth, your products become more expensive and customers buy from someone else who pays their employees exactly what they're worth.
Actually that's not really how capitalism works. Just because a job is hard work it doesn't mean you get paid more.
In high demand? Prices go up. In low demand? Prices go down. It's really as simple as that and it's exactly why people like social workers don't get paid much. They're not in demand.
If you pay someone less than they're worth then they just go find a different job and your business grinds to a halt. You have NO idea how capitalism works.
@ihavekankles I never said you get paid according to how hard your work is in capitalism, I said you get paid as little as possible. How much you get paid doesn't reflect the value of your work, just how easy it is to get someone to do it - and you're ALWAYS paid less than your work is worth, otherwise the business is seeing no benefit from giving you a job.
The majority of people are paid much less than they're worth, and if they leave they're replaced by another desperate unemployed person
But the value of your work is based exactly on how easy it is to get someone to do it. If something is rare it's worth more. You're saying the same thing as I am. I don't even know how you could come to the conclusion that most people are paid much less than they're worth. How much is "much less"? You're talking shite.
@ihavekankles No - imagine you make 10 shirts an hour for $10, and someone in a sweatshop makes the same 10 shirts an hour for $1 a day. You're both doing the *exact same work*, you're both turning the same materials into the same end product in the same amount of time, but you're not paid for the value of your work - you're paid as little as possible, depending on local conditions (level of unemployment, labour laws & collective bargaining, ability to discriminate, ability to keep things quiet)
You ARE paid for the value of your work. The value of your work changes depending on supply and demand. There isn't some fixed value applied to work, it fluctuates depending on supply and demand. I'm paid as little as possible but I'm still paid what my work is worth because that's what my work is worth...
If my employer makes $2 profit on each shirt I make then I wouldn't say I was being paid $2 less per shirt than I'm worth I'd say I'm being paid exactly what I'm worth.
@ihavekankles If the shirt is worth that extra $2 thanks to your work creating it then yes you're being paid $2 less than your work is worth. That's where profit comes from, the difference between what he pays to get something and what his customer pays to get it (its value to your employer).
If unemployment is high and your employer takes the opportunity to cut wages, but they keep selling those shirts for the same price, the value of your work hasn't changed, but your payment for it has.
@ihavekankles Say your employer makes $2 profit on each shirt you make, after paying all the costs. That's the value you produced that you weren't paid for. If your employer actually paid you the value of your work, he wouldn't be getting anything out of it- it would be a straight exchange, you wouldn't be making any money for the company because all the value you're adding through your work would be given straight back to you. There'd be no profit, and no point having you there. So you get less
@cactustactics you need to do a bit of reading and understand the difference between "normal profit" and "super-normal profit". Normal profit isn't really a profit. It's just the minimum required benefit of running a business in order to make the venture worthwhile.
@hellznrg you need to learn that anyone who does his/her job honestly and hard deserves same respect. The street sweeper deserves the same respect as the president, if each person respects his job and does his best. Don't compare. Fine, you're great, but don't put others down. Each occupation is sacred; each occupation deserves respect. Anyone who uses what God has given him/her to the best of his ability, given his luck and circumstances, is a respectable person.
@axcertypo people who make those argument equates making more money as making more contribution to society, except things are not so simple. Many people would say politicians are parasites and they make few times more than the average engineers. These people aren't even making any senses.They compare apples with oranges. I just treat them as jokes. I support you.
What about the difference in pay within the same fields? Woman are still payed less for the same positions. You're comparing different jobs, of course there is going to be a difference in pay.
you missed the point of the whole video. It shows women and men in the same fields with the same amount of experience make almost the same amount of money. It just so happens that few women go for these types of high paying jobs (engineering, IT, math, science etc). I even have first hand experience of this. In college I got an IT degree in MIS, and out of around 30 people in the class 2 of them were girls.
If companies could get away with paying women less than men for EXACTLY the same work, solely because they're women, then companies would only employ women. Companies want profit.
I agree with most of what is said but then he says that if we want to see the wage gap become smaller we should encourage women to take on different jobs. Sure if women want to work in business and computer science, ok, but society should not push them to conform. Everyone should be able to pick where they will be happiest,
The choices that women are making are due to gender dichotomies and social conditioning about what is correct for men and women to do. This is where the sexism is happening (where most of the pay gap is coming from.) However, our society also doesn't value/ pay as much for skills that are "feminine." The professionals that are in "women's work," even if they have the same level of education/ more education than a person participating in a "masculine" job, get paid less. We value what is male.
@shelovesuke Who are this "society" you are talking about? There are more women in the society than man. The markets do not care about "masculine" or "feminine", only demand and supply.The decision that one makes are both genetic and environmental. The NBA is 90% Black. Do you think there is racism in Basketball? Do you think that is cause of racial dichotomies and social conditioning? In the end, only performance matter. If anything, I would argue society value women and children much more.
@yauyyb Society is what we grow up in. It's what teaches kids that women and men are different, have different roles, like different things, and pushes children to conform and internalise it. Look at toy marketing for an example, the segregation and lack of overlap. This goes on throughout people's lives - we internalise it and project these 'gender truths' onto others (like you're doing now) and perpetuate it. When people talk about equality, ignoring gender, society resists and pushes 'roles'
@shelovesuke Many 'masculine' jobs are better paid because they're dirty, dangerous or stressful. Mining, construction, high-level management etc. If a miner was paid the same as a nanny then we wouldn't have enough miners, because there wouldn't be the financial incentive to lure someone down a dark unstable hole for 12 hours a day. But things are changing now anyway, 'feminine' jobs such as administration and general office work are more in demand, so women will earn more.
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It would be funny, if women and other minorities didn't have to live with this violence and bigotry every day of their lives.People unironically believing that men not being able to assault women for disagreeing is a step back,and that this is an example of how men are oppressed. Pining for the 'good old days' (before most of them were born) when women were expected to find a husband, stay at home doing domestic work and producing babies, meek and obedient and abused to keep them in their place
This is all true and laid out in an easy way to understand. Good Job! But I would argue that it wouldn't be productive to steer men or women away from what they naturally gravitate to. Kind of like how we don't control entrepreneur ship in a Capitalistic society as opposed to a Socialist one in which individuals are assigned projects.
Why would we want to "balance things out"? I think it's sad that this world is all about everybody doing the same for the same! There is nothing wrong with different kinds of jobs, and personal choices like this should not be pushed in the hope that they starting 'earning the same'!
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The point, if it's been missed, is that women -and their capability, and sacrifices, and achievements, and contribution and value to society- are regularly marginalised, to the point where people think it's justified to discriminate because 'women don't/can't do all these things'. It's a Just World narrative that exists to rationalise prejudice, it doesn't actually reflect reality. Same with the 'women leave work more often to have babies' trope- it's statistically untrue, but 'common knowledge'
@cactustactics Oh you're doing this on every video. I see. So you have an agenda eh? I think you're having a problem that calls for looking up the definition of the word 'bigot' and then looking in a mirror.
@cactustactics You're saying men take paternity leave with equal frequency when they have children, and that women are equally likely to remain in the labor force following the birth of a child?
Women not choosing to become engineers isn't discrimination, it's a choice, and one that is made in spite of the fact that there are far more efforts to get women involved in engineering.
@sniperontheroof123 I'm saying the 'common knowledge' that women are more likely to leave a given position (which is used as rationale to discriminate and offer jobs and promotion to men) is statistically untrue. The leaving rates are about equal, men and women both leave jobs for various reasons, from the employer's position they're both equally likely to stick around
There's a societal bias against women in engineering and science - that's an influence, especially on kids growing up
@cactustactics The labor force participation rate for men 24-54 is around 90%, for women it's around 70%. Since both men and women move in and out of the labor force, the average woman will have to spend less time in the labor force, i.e. will have less work experience.
Social bias is completely different from labor market discrimination, firms can be completely non discriminatory and you'll still have very few female engineers for other reasons (social bias possibly being one).
@sniperontheroof123 We're not talking about averages, we're talking about like-for-like qualified candidates applying for the same job or promotion, so gender should never come into consideration since it statistically doesn't affect leaving rates
Social bias is always a part of it - kids growing up being told women can't or shouldn't do X or Y (and seeing that discrimination) means less women taking up those careers and more people making hiring decisions with that internalised prejudice
@cactustactics Women spend more time out of the labor force (this is a fact, as established by the cited LFPR). If you have evidence that women don't exit the labor force as often, despite the fact that they have a lower LFPR, please cite it.
Too often comparisons are NOT like-for-like qualified candidates, but these simple averages across all professions with no effort made to control for anything - career choice or time spent in the labor force. This was the point the video was addressing.
@sniperontheroof123 I'm not disagreeing with you about labour force participation (for women it's actually about 75% but your point still stands), I'm talking about the statistics for the length of time spent in the same job - if women tended to leave jobs more often (like to have children) you'd see a higher leaving rate, but they're about equal
I'm saying people justify discrimination that occurs by saying 'women are more likely to leave', but it's not true - so that should never be a factor
@cactustactics Sure, the point about the LFPR is that women as a group are only going to get around 70-75% of the work experience that they might otherwise by remaining in the labor force for a longer period.
On the childbearing point, look at a graph of male vs. female LFPR over the life cycle. It's no coincidence that LFPR drops for women reaching childbearing age - this reflects a real increased chance that they will leave their jobs.
@sniperontheroof123 Again average work experience of a demographic has no bearing on the *individual*. We're talking about the suitability of *an individual* for a job and promotion, and providing that *individual* has suitable experience then they're a suitable candidate. The statistics show men and women *leave jobs* at the same rate - it doesn't matter if they're leaving for another job (and remaining in the workforce) or starting a family, gender doesn't make someone more likely to stay
A very well explained concept. I was wondering how I have never actually seen anything in my life to support the original stat (women in my field of customer service make just as much or even more on average) yet this stat has been touted so much. Finding where they get the data is often far more important than the data itself.
One thing I don't understand is that people do not want to be descriminated for being a woman, black, white, latino, etc; but want advantages based on those same premesis. Go figure! :D
@1polymath People don't 'want advantages', people want the widespread, established social discrimination that already exists to be eroded. You might disagree with things like quota systems and affirmative action, but they exist for a very specific purpose - to correct imbalances throughout society that exist as a result of centuries of racial and sexual discrimination
On the other hand, we white males benefit from not being seen as second best - so lots of people want to keep those advantages
@cactustactics Not that I disagree with you. I believe in what Afirmative Action do but I disagree with the existence of it. The Gov. and Society only have these programs because we refuse to do what it takes to create equal opportunity and build strong institutions. It's basically a band-aid, but if you benefit from it "I ain't mad at cha." Life is hard enough as it is! Political Conservatism and Free Market Capitalism destroyed everything and the moral integrity of it's members.
@1polymath right, so it's not true that people fighting for equality are 'looking for advantages' - they're trying to eliminate the systemic disadvantages that exist in society. It's not good that things like AA have to exist in the first place, but until we build a fairer and more equal society then it's another fight that has to be fought. The people looking for advantages over others are those who already enjoy them and want to keep things that way.(And I'm a straight white male, *I'm* fine!)
I'll get back to you guys when I get out of college for geology and get a job. I never ever want screaming brats. They are hell on your health and body. I need muscles for hiking around looking a rocks, not kids pulling me down.
That will be my proof for me if this is true or not :D
Since LL didn't post any sources, I cannot confirm how accurate what they're saying is for myself, however I can say that the generalizations about what women choose to do seems like speculation and I am skeptical to say the least. Also the payment gap is far larger than what LL implies it is. For example, engineers (glassdoor . com / blog / search Engineering Pay Gap)
I go to a technical school. I'm in a game development class, which is combined with a computer science class, and of those two classes combined, there is only one girl. I'm completely sure that if more girls applied for one of those classes rather than hair styling, there would be a more even ratio of males to females in my class.
Really ?! Make man take care of the children and women for the work? That's basically denying your gender ! WOMEN 4 children , MAN 4 work ! Why should a woman try to be a man, and why a man try to be a woman? There is no point in it ! Only brainwashed manginas and the feminazi try to go against nature.
@scorici So, essentially what you're saying is you're sexist. Women aren't trying to be men, and men aren't trying to be women. There is no reason women can't have the same jobs as men. Does it matter if your surgeon is a woman or man? What about your nurse? Construction worker? Of course not. If they can do the job, they should be given the opportunity. Plain and simple.
@JackWisps I'm not sexist ! Feminism is sexist ! They are trying to give jobs to women just because they have a vagina ! And women should be women and mothers as a first priority then jobs and career. Women ruined marriages and generations since the movement ! I'm a victim of that, my mom is one of those bitches who is a sexist, a feminist and I suffered from it ! Do you really think that I don't know what I'm talking about, that I'm making things up when my life is fucked up because of women ?!
@scorici Yes, there is a lot of sexism from the people who call themselves feminists, especially the hard core ones. That doesn't mean you're not sexist too.
"women should be women and mothers as a first priority then jobs and career" is a sexist statement. How you refer to women, as if they need to be put in their place, the place YOU deem fit, is very sexist, and also quite bigoted.
@JackWisps On the contrary my sexist bigot, there is nothing wrong with my statement. If you find something wrong with it then it's your problem, you're the sexist one. Why should anyone deny what really is? Women took the power from men with their crazy statement and playing victim when the victim was the exception not the rule ! I have nothing against true women, GOD bless them , they are the blessing of the society and feminism is the curse of the society. It's simple.
@JackWisps Feminists need to be put in their place, women are already in their place. You are deviating that I'm taking this against all women when in fact I take it against sexist and feminists ! There is a difference, make sure you don't cross that line ! Cause I'm not crossing it !
@scorici What is best in any situation is not necessarily the way "nature designed it". Humans have given up on instincts and nature and use our reason, that is why we manage to cooperate in big civilizations at all. A particular man can certainly be better than a particular woman at raising children compared to working, and vice versa. Perhaps there are more women who are better, but I think one should choose the best in a given situation, and not just do it like it's always been done.
@mortalisk "A particular man can certainly be better than a particular woman at raising children compared to working, and vice versa." your logic is that of promoting the exception and making it the rule so other can benefit ! But that's ok because logic has nothing to do with it... or is it? : " Humans have given up on instincts and nature and use our reason" where is your logic now? contradictin itself.
"that is why we manage to cooperate in big civilizations at all" men did it not women !!!
@scorici Why are you talking about logic? You are assuming that I am on the feminists(state intervention kind) side, which I am not, then putting up a couple of strawman for me to attack. Your post made no sense.
From my perspective most women these days are sub-optimal child raisers in context of their relationship, while many of the men actually have a more relaxed attitude and I think their children would be better off if they were more at home in stead of or in addition to their woman.
@mortalisk Even when men are more optimal as child raisers they should not do it ! You know why ? BECAUSE THEY ARE MEN FOR GOD SAKE !!! They should not do it because that's still role changing, it's still bs, is just an argument for women not to be women and to have this pretext that men are more "optimal" for child raising bs.
It's not men fault for women incompetence !!!
My comment made no sense, are you kidding me? Seriously ! It's not rocket science put some effort in it and you'll get it.
@scorici If men are more optimal as child raisers then how is that 'role changing'? If a man is good at something and you say 'you shouldn't do that because men aren't good at it' then you're not making any sense, and you're making irrational decisions based on some prejudice you hold. These kinds of stubborn generalisations are harmful, they lead to people being excluded from things they enjoy and which they're good at, unhappiness and a net loss for society as a whole
@cactustactics Really? you say: "These kinds of stubborn generalisations are harmful" because it makes sense to you to promote the exception and show everyone "look what men are good for" and then becomes another misleading generalization than is promoted and feminazi take advantage and go against the rest of men !!!
It's good for children when men takes care of them better than women but it's not good that women generalize this and make it as standard reversing the role slowly but surely.
@scorici Why aren't men meant to be child-raisers? "They're just not, ok" isn't an answer. Why are men apparently bad at connecting emotionally with children, being supportive and caring and loving, and bringing them up to be healthy, happy and well-adjusted adults? What makes women so much better at all this, to the point where you're happy to generalise and say 'men shouldn't raise children because it's not their role'? Why is it bad to have individuals do what they're genuinely good at?
@cactustactics "They're just not" is actually an answer, and a good one, it's not their role !!!
If women cant' do it properly then why men do it? Do we have to grow boobs and breast feed them? Are you kidding me?
I blame feminism for this, all was good until some bitches decided that they want to act like men, that they don't need men and crap like that. Well guess what children needs women, not feminazi, not men, WOMEN !!! TRUE WOMEN !!!
I know this best because of my mom who's a bitch !!!
@scorici ...sounds like someone needs to talk to their therapist about their mother.
Every study that has looked into the subject has found that children turn out fine whoever raises them. Estrogen is not an essential ingredient of well-raised children, competent parents is. Good job not answering cactustactics' points.
@helios5868 All my life I was made believe that I'm mentally ill, that I need to be hospitalized in an mental hospital by my mother when she was the was the one who was literally insane !
I respect your opinion about these studies but I know reality and how things really are and how they should be and I have a different opinion.
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@scorici Oh wait, you're a kid? I don't know what's going on with you or your mom but that's nothing to do with the rest of the people in the world - look, people are good at all kinds of different things. Some people will look at men and women and tell them they can't do this or that, they won't be good at it, it's 'not what they're supposed to do'. It's just blind prejudice based on old social rules, the same rules people use to judge you badly by you're from or the colour of your skin
@cactustactics Well said.Stereotypes exist,because on one scale or another,people of [chosen demographic]are disproportionally prone to do[stereotypicaly action].Dealing in large numbers of people, you can make those generalizations statistically.Its just mass judgment.Holding an individual to your judgment of their demographic,when they demonstrably don't fit:THAT is prejudice.That is WRONG.No one is gona tell me my mom isn't an engineer, or my Asian friend isn't the most bad-ass driver around.
@Xylos144 It's not just that though, it's an assumption that becomes self-fulfilling. People are disproportionately prone to do certain things because society conditions us that way - like if your mom's an engineer, I bet she's faced a whole lot of doubt and discouraging attitudes from other people throughout her life, just because everyone's told that 'women don't make good engineers' or 'it's men's work'. People echo what they've been told throughout their life and rarely stop to question it
@cactustactics I'm not a kid anymore I'm 27 y/o and I don't have a misconception, I how reality really is not how some feminazi paint reality with their delusional thinking. Men can only be equal to women only if they are women and vice versa.
@scorici I'm sorry you've had a bad childhood, and nobody should have to go through that, but you can't let it distort your view of the world and control all your future relationships. You said yourself that it's because of your mother that you have these opinions about women, so obviously you realise that this one person is causing you to see half of the entire human race in a very negative light. Women are not all the same, neither are all men - don't let one person poison your mind
@cactustactics I wish that it was only my mother, it started with her but it's everywhere, feminism is a global phenomenon. It's a common theme across the women I meet even though it's not talked about it still has tremendous negative influence. Each women is different but they are very different from how they used to be in the past. I don't want to trash somebody for no reason GOD knows I've been in this situation but I know what I'm talking about !
@scorici But whatever happened to you in your childhood has nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is about equality and respect and about tackling social prejudices, so that everyone can be whoever they want to be and pursue whatever interests them or makes them happy, whatever their gender - tackling those prejudices is a broad subject, and it raises some difficult questions, but that's basically it. It's about people being good to each other, that's why I'm a feminist (and no I'm not a woman)
@cactustactics Bullshit !!! What happened with my childhood has everything to do with feminism because feminist is sexual discrimination and not equality, it was never about equality it was about taking power from men. If it's about equality why is not equalitism? It's called feminism because it focus only on women and their problems while totally excluding men ! Don't try to brainwash me, I know what it is and how it works. Your a feminist and your not a woman ? OMFG what happened to the world!
@scorici It's called feminism because it's about correcting embedded social discrimination against women - the attitudes and practices that treat women as weak, inferior, incapable of performing certain jobs and activities as well as men, the attitudes that say women should be meek and quiet and subservient and which enable violence to go unchecked. It doesn't exclude men at all- men are also told to accept this and how they should behave, and are excluded and punished by society when they don't
@cactustactics Feminism criminalized men and manhood, it's simple like that and I guess you haven't watched any of the vids I reply to you so you can see what really is and not your fairy definition. Feminism = discrimination against men !!! And your last reply proved that you are a women, oh how far you take this game because I am a solid proof that feminism is evil even more than communism. Soon I wouldn't wounder if it would became illegal to be a man. All feminist men are really manginas !!
@cactustactics Feminism criminalized men and manhood, it's simple like that and I guess you haven't watched any of the vids I reply to you so you can see what really is and not your fairy definition. Feminism = discrimination against men !!! And your last reply proved that you are a women, oh how far you take this game because I am a solid proof that feminism is evil even more than communism. Soon I wouldn't wounder if it would became illegal to be a man. All feminist men are really manginas !!
@scorici I mean I don't know what happened when you were a kid, but you're saying that you were discriminated against for your gender... but that's exactly what you're doing right now. You know how horrible and unfair it is to be punished by someone for your gender, but you're accepting it and encouraging it yourself. It's like suffering racial abuse, and then racially abusing other people - if it wasn't justified when it happened to you (and it's not), then it's not justified to do it to others
@cactustactics I don't discriminate women, not all women are feminists !!! I defend myself against sexism and feminism because I know when I see it. I know when to stop, but in case of feminism there is no stopping until is dead. This isn't revenge this is defending man and manhood against the abuse of feminism, you are deviating that I'm the abuser and in your mind like any other feminist you are still the victim when in fact you hold all the cards that matter in this society. It makes me sick!
@scorici You've been discriminating against women in all your comments - talking about 'their roles' and 'staying in their place', about what a 'true woman' is, how they 'should be women and mothers' instead of focusing on careers... would you like being told that because you're a man you should be meek and submissive, staying at home and being a good husband and knowing your place, instead of living the life you want to lead? That's exactly the kind of discrimination we're trying to end
@cactustactics You tried to fool me that you are a man, playing the role of a feminist man when in fact it was all politics with you and not about justice ! That's how evil feminist is, trying to take every shape possible just to keep the injustice going just because it favors women and does not everybody else including children because of the broken marriages ! You have showed you true face here ! What kind of idiot would go against his own gender ? That's right, no sane men would go that way !
@scorici Except I'm not 'going against my gender' because I don't have a tribal mentality toward life, it's not some team sport where I win by keeping women down and benefitting from being on top and in a position of power
What's a broken marriage exactly? One where the people involved don't want to be together anymore? Why should two people (and yes that includes men) be forced or expected to spend their life trapped and unhappy? Is it better to raise kids in a tense and loveless house?
@cactustactics Nobody is that stupid to persist in contradicting me for so long and not be a woman ! The broken marriage is done by feminism and the "trapped and unhappy" wasn't in this percentage before feminism. The current law give all the right to the women in case of marriage and divorce. "Position of power" you speak? Women want all the benefits of "equality" like high payday but without responsibility of a high post, they want their coziness but be paid like they work their ass off !!!
@scorici No, women want to be able to take jobs and be paid for doing them without being discriminated against for being a woman, which still happens even with the gains feminism has produced. There's nothing unreasonable about people not wanting to be prejudged for things like their gender or skin colour!
All feminism has done for unhappy marriages is to help women realise they have a choice. It actually helps marriage in that promoting equality and respect makes for strong relationships
@cactustactics I know you want equal rights and not be discriminated, but the bottom like is that feminism does more harm to men that does good for women. I don't stand against women rights but the feminism is very dangerous for men, it corners them and it makes it very difficult to still be man , it limits them. I know that you are a woman and defend what you think is right and I'm a man telling from experience what feminism really does. Men only want to defend, trust me. Have a good day.
@scorici Men (and yes I am one, not that it matters) who want to defend their privileged position over women aren't interested in fairness or what's right. Everything you've said has been used to justify slavery in the past - black people 'have a place' below white people, if black people are granted rights white people will 'lose out', etc etc
Want to know how to 'be a man'? Stand up for people, whoever they are, especially the socially oppressed. Don't hide behind your privileged social group
@cactustactics I still don't believe that you are a man ! There is no privileged position over women, on the contrary... I have told you that men have less rights than women especially concerning marriage and divorce. I have nothing against black people. And everything I said has been used to justify slavery in the past? OMG, it's only ok when the women are asking for their rights but when a guy does it suddenly is not ok anymore , and nobody is taking is seriously ! That is discrimination !!
@scorici No privileged position over women? Do women hold the majority of political office in the world? The majority of corporate board positions? The majority of high-paying jobs? Are men routinely told they're no good at science and technology work, that work is actually 'the woman's role', that they're expected to sit there and look good or else they're worthless? Are men expected to live as domestic servants? Do men live their lives knowing they're at risk of being raped, and blamed for it?
@cactustactics It would be easy to 'prove', in just a farcical way, that women are privileged over men - not expected to fight in wars, less at risk of violent assault or premature death, valued more (newspapers publicise murders of women as they're more shocking), not expected to do dirty and dangerous jobs like sewer work or rescue… you see? it's not so simple as 'men rule and women are 2nd class citizens'
@GrandPianolaMusic What's 'farcical' about any of the facts I pointed out? They're all social trends and attitudes towards women, reinforced generation after generation *intentionally*, with people seeking justifications for treating women as inferior, less capable, less important. Are you trying to say this is some kind of fair exchange, just because men are given more responsibility? Have you ever felt like you're expected to work in a sewer, just because you're a man, and that's your place?
@GrandPianolaMusic and women go to war (and their sacrifices played down), they do rescue work, and sewer work, they're valued so much that rape isn't even taken seriously, and here's the latest DoJ report:
In 2010, for the first time since the NCVS began reporting
on differences in victimizations by sex, males (15.7 per
1,000 males age 12 or older) and females (14.2 per 1,000)
had similar rates of violent victimization.This indicates a
continuing convergence of male and female victimization
@cactustactics women don't do rescue/sewer/nasty jobs nearly as often as men (this is just a fact) and aren't expected to go to war with drafts, or fight on the front lines… and imagine if you're out with a girl and get attacked, no one will think less of the girl if she hides behind you. that is 'female privilege'… as I don't hate nature I have nothing against it. And since when was rape not taken seriously?? now you are just making things up.
@GrandPianolaMusic women do plenty of nasty jobs, but you're proving my point - women have traditionally been excluded from 'responsible' jobs like rescue, and although more and more women do them they're still considered 'jobs for men'. Same goes for war - women see combat, are shot at and shoot back, end up dead or wounded, yet they're denied recognition because the official line is 'only men are combat troops'. And even if what you're saying were true, how would that justify any of it?
@cactustactics well you cannot lie about that. Men are more suited for combat. We are made to die, Women overall do have it FAR Easier than men do unless they choose not to. Which most women do not (But I have high respect for those women who do stick their selves out there to achieve something positive) . I'd say the cultural attitude women have engraved (not saying all women do) have ruined their chances. This generation of men and women. MY generation, Are a fucking joke.
@tehatemachine why are men 'more suited to combat'? You're just asserting things as though they're inherently true. You know that there are women in the military, right? In combat situations? You know the military has admissions criteria, so anyone who makes it through is 'suited to combat' regardless of their gender?
It's sexist if you insist that a person's gender limits what they can or can't do. Insisting this means women have it easy is either ignorance or an attempt to silence criticism
@cactustactics Men by default are stronger than women, They also think differently, Men are able to carry more. It's not just about physical toughness. It's also mental toughness. Men are more mentally stable than women, Especially in combat areas. These are not assertions. They have been shown over and over as fact.
@cactustactics "You know the military has admissions criteria, so anyone who makes it through is 'suited to combat' regardless of their gender?" Depends which field work you are doing, Navy seals = Men only.
@tehatemachine you're talking about statistical advantages or disadvantages, some of which are real (strength) and often due to social conditioning (dissuading people from pursuing interests and education paths), some of which are just prejudice talking. None of this is good reason to discriminate against *individuals*, which ends up exacerbating the problem.
If someone meets military criteria, as fit to serve, they get in. If a woman gets in, she's capable - more capable than men who didn't
@cactustactics IF i ever saw you. I'd likely back hand you since you didn't read a damn word i've already said, But then i'd go to jail since the law heavily protects your ugly worthless ass and instantly labels me as a criminal. If it was another women who backhanded you, Then it's HIGHLY likely that she wouldn't even be taken into custody. Society puts women ahead of men. Yet you ask for more? Us men are disposable and are made to DIE.
@cactustactics Oh so you're a fagot then. Typical, Or you are simply trying to mask yourself as being a guy (lol hai guys i'm a bro like u) Still you are a complete pussy regardless of having one or not.
@cactustactics So your feminist aim for equality certainly was a success in doing exactly what i said it would do. By having NOTHING of actual equality and spreading more discrimination. Milton Friedman certainly was right and you leftards ignore him because you don't like to be shown the truth about economics. Go ahead and cover your hands over your eyes from seeing the truth. It's safe staying in the closet.
@hellznrg anyone meeting entry criteria is considered fit for the job, that's the entire point. You're either capable, or you're not.
Think about this - a military role requires certain capabilities for the person to fulfil that role. If the entry requirements for two people are different, but they're both capable, then the higher requirements are unnecessary- the low ones are adequate. So unnecessarily high strength criteria will have systematically excluded women from roles they're capable of
@cactustactics farrell's "why men earn more": When a 1985 Navy study found that most women were not able to perform any of the eight most critical jobs required for people on ship, they redefined the jobs to be inclusive of women. For example, the job of carrying a stretcher, previously a two-man job, changed: It is now a four-person
job. And the definition of “passing” changed: Women at West Point are given 5:30 minutes to complete an obstacle course that the men must complete in 3:20 minutes.
@cactustactics "Here’s the productivity-pay dilemma: If a man assigned to carry a
stretcher needs only one additional man, but a woman needs three additional people, should the man receive extra productivity pay if he partners with a man to carry the stretcher, freeing two other military people for other functions?"
@hellznrg Except people aren't hired as stretcher-bearers, so it's a tenuous standard - naval boarding teams require people with smaller physiques to navigate small spaces, should this count against large men? Or their inefficiency at this:
"The ships being boarded had women amongst the crew. They immediately gravitated toward the women on the boarding team and were more than happy to share information which would normally have to be extracted through lengthy and tedious questioning."
It's funny that he's totally forgetting to mention that there are vast number of studies that document the income inequality that exists in gender when confounding factors are controlled. In other words, a man and a women who have the same resume working at the same job will usually result in the man earning more. As of 2004, it was estimated that on average, a penis worths at least 300k over the life time of earning than a vagina.
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eques101 20 hours ago in playlist Favorites
It has been in my experience, particularly with small business, that depending upon what additional benefits are offered by the employer, like health insurance, women, in general, cost more to employ. From what I've seen, the medical benefits for women can be as much as 3 times the cost for men. This has to be factored into pay. If equal pay (salary only) were enacted it would lead to less hiring of women due to this extra cost to the employer. Demanding equal pay steals opportunity from women.
spalmer718 1 day ago
this actually is only HALF true. Woman with the same job also get paid less cause they get smaller bonuses less frequent
MalcolmHeardSB 1 day ago in playlist Favorites
I'm not saying this guys statistics are wrong, but society is fucked up, because it's still gender inequality. We socialize children into gender roles that impact men and women's decisions about their career paths. Boys often get more attention in school, even if it's negative. Teacher expectancy effect plays a huge role in the success and education of a student.
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Lottechoco 1 day ago
This video is a no shit Sherlock to most women and feminists. He must be talking to men. The wage gap is mostly do to social factors. But there is still a gap even when women are equal to men in every way. You would think this is because of discrimination but I think it is because Men benefit from having a traditional wife while most women must be single to be equal to men. So, they don't have that support at home.
onlockinggeisha 1 day ago in playlist Favorites
Economists don't think that it's just discrimination. You clearly don't know economics.
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@ihavekankles You think you have the rights to put down people and say others are lazy and unintelligent? Look hard at yourself! You are not even bill gates, there are millions and millions of people who make more money than you, you loser.
I am not using a straw. I am giving you a logical argument in response to your illogical argument.
You did not really respond to my argument. Your argument actual says nose jobs is 10 times more productive than building bridges.
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lysol5555 1 day ago
Also for you people complaining about social work and sociology - they're maintenance work, to keep society productive, to deal with issues that affect individuals and the people around them. They're about understanding how the productive human machine we're all a part of actually functions, and making it run better and helping people to live happier lives. Thing is this is a public good, so while it has huge value it's not generally MONETISED. Public research is taken and used to make profit
cactustactics 2 days ago
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lysol5555 2 days ago
Oooh good job, this will upset the feminists who prefer to blame everything on 'teh patriarchy' and men in general while portraying all women as victims... stupid idiots. Logic is beyond their grasp.
videodads 3 days ago
Very interesting video. Thanks to whoever made this for doing so.
srhalnon 3 days ago
So what this is getting at is the real problem, which is the jobs women do, which, arguably, are just as important for society than those of men, are attached to lower salaries. This might not be directly discriminatory to women, but it is indirectly discriminatory. In any case, the statistics about the 75 cents a woman makes compared to a man's dollar might be statistically fallacious, but there obviously is discrimination toward women in the workforce. It isn't always "a choice" for women.
axcertypo 3 days ago
@axcertypo The fact 'male' jobs are valued higher has absoltely nothing to do with sex, but because their field are generally worth more to the market.
Andsormida01 3 days ago
@Andsormida01 Really? You haven't noticed that 'male' fields of work all tend to be paid more, described as work that 'men are good at', and are fields that boys are encouraged to pursue, but girls are socially diverted from?
And there are plenty of crucially important jobs out there that aren't well paid for the work involved, coincidentally those traditionally worked by the classes at the bottom of the pile (women, the working class)
cactustactics 3 days ago
@cactustactics
Yeah coal mining is incredibly hard work I imagine but nobody is suggesting that they should get paid a massive amount. Again, the market determines the prices and people get paid what they're worth. Simple as that really.
ihavekankles 2 days ago
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@cactustactics put simply, women don't work as well as men outside the home. They've always got half their minds at home and the other half on the job. Which means that as more women enter a profession, their inferior work attracts a lower wage which depresses the field of work as a whole. Which drives men out of the industry because there is pressure on them to earn more to be breadwinners.
Read this: tradcats.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/feminism-driving-down-wages-since-1965.html
hellznrg 2 days ago
@cactustactics If you have a problem with how girls are raised and socialized, then that's your problem. Parents will raise and socialize *their* kids according to what they think is right. *You* can raise your kids the way you think is right. Evolution will sort everyone out in the end. Throughout history there are examples of women who beat men at men's own game. They didn't ask for the rules to be changed to accommodate them.
hellznrg 2 days ago
@hellznrg It's not about how parents raise kids, it's about the society they're raised in (which also influences the parents' attitudes)
There is no 'men's own game' and you shouldn't be surprised that other people (who happen to be women) are able to succeed at the same things.But you treat it as something notable, something unexpected, without asking yourself how you came to see men and women as unequal in the first place.Everyone becomes the person they are by growing up under this influence
cactustactics 2 days ago
@cactustactics I also think you don't understand economics very well. Jobs aren't paid according to the amount of work involved. Jobs are paid whatever it takes to fill those jobs. Next time, when you see someone being paid a lot and someone else being paid less, the reason is (assuming no affirmative action) because there were fewer takers for the former job and more takers for the latter job. that's pretty much the long and short of it
hellznrg 2 days ago
@axcertypo
If a woman is going into a field which pays less than that's her problem. If you want to get paid more become an engineer or a physicist. You can't be crazy enough to think a sociology degree is as good as a physics degree.
ihavekankles 3 days ago
@ihavekankles We'd have to have a long debate about contribution to society. I think you must agree that jobs should pay based on contribution to society rather than on difficulty, due to the latter being a very ambiguous idea and the former being quantifiable in most cases. I believe that a social worker should be paid at least equal to a physicist if not more.
I think it's more difficult to get a physics degree, intellectually, but what does that even mean?
axcertypo 3 days ago
@axcertypo
The market determines the prices, if they weren't worth that much then they wouldn't be paid that much. It takes 4 years of HARD work to become a physicist, not the same with a social worker. You have to be a lot smarter to get a physics degree than some silly worthless degree like sociology or criminology.
What you forget is that social workers don't contribute to society, they don't create any wealth they just look after other people who contribute nothing to society.
ihavekankles 2 days ago
@ihavekankles Contribution to society does not mean contribution to the economy. This is where free market advocates need to wake up. I suggest you read a bit more about social work and you will realize that they don't do what you think they do. I find it pretty insulting for you to claim that of social work.
We cannot let the market determine everything, or we willl be left with a heartless, cold, individualist society with no humanity left. An absolute free market would make us money robots.
axcertypo 2 days ago
@axcertypo
The market was a lot freer in the past and society wasn't heartless or cold.
ihavekankles 2 days ago
@ihavekankles It was a bit more so, but I never said I was against making the market a bit more free.
axcertypo 2 days ago
@axcertypo and absolute socialism and communism state will turn you into the "USSA"
hellznrg 2 days ago
@hellznrg Yes, you're right. I am against all statism.
Intelligence doesn't determine worth. Think about it a bit.
I never called anyone a nazi. You're confusing nazism with fascism.
If I'm intelligent but lazy, physically unfit or unhealthy, you could be sure that I won't be very productive or careful and meticulous. Intelligence and productivity are two distinct attributes.
axcertypo 2 days ago
@axcertypo all else being equal, intelligence does determine productivity, and productivity determines worth.
intelligent but lazy beats stupid and lazy.
intelligent but hard working beats stupid and hardworking
intelligence in a person usually leads to increase in productivity of those around that person.
hellznrg 2 days ago
@ihavekankles Are you a fascist? Because you seem to be implying that intelligence determines worth.
axcertypo 2 days ago
@axcertypo
A person who sits at home all day doing NOTHING is worthless to society. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
ihavekankles 2 days ago
@ihavekankles That's false, and I don't see how it has anything to do with what we're discussing. Sedentary, lazy people are there to show us the flaws in our system and to compare ourselves to.
axcertypo 2 days ago
@axcertypo Intelligence does determine worth, which needn't have anything to do with fascism. Anyway, godwin's law. Intelligence determines productivity and quality of work. Which may be worth a lot to an employer depending on the field of work.
hellznrg 2 days ago
@ihavekankles sounds like you have personal issues with sociologists and social workers, as well as having no idea what they actually do. You need to broaden your horizons a bit, the world's a bit more complicated than people selling things
Also the market is not rational, not by a long shot, and people aren't paid what they're worth- otherwise there'd be no profit involved. People are paid as little as possible, or as much as they can get, depending which side of the power structure they're on
cactustactics 2 days ago 2
@cactustactics
People are paid exactly what they're worth. If they're not worth it then they're paid less, if they're worth more then they're paid more. Market is simple supply and demand, that's entirely rational. And a social worker shouldn't get paid as much as a physicist. Anyone can be a social worker, to be a physicist requires intelligence.
People who get paid millions a year? They deserve it; they're worth it. If they weren't worth it they wouldn't be paid it.
ihavekankles 2 days ago
@ihavekankles your last line there is completely circular logic. The fact you can't tell is the entire problem
Here's how capitalism works - you pay someone to do some work. That work has monetary worth to your business. You pay them less than their work is worth, the difference is profit. The less you pay them, the more profit you make. Your ability to pay less is based on myriad social, regulatory and economic factors - the work is still worth the same. Sweatshop labour produces the same work
cactustactics 2 days ago
@cactustactics faulty reasoning there: you pay them less than they're worth, they'll go to someone else who pays them what they're really worth. You pay them more than they're worth, your products become more expensive and customers buy from someone else who pays their employees exactly what they're worth.
hellznrg 2 days ago
@cactustactics
Actually that's not really how capitalism works. Just because a job is hard work it doesn't mean you get paid more.
In high demand? Prices go up. In low demand? Prices go down. It's really as simple as that and it's exactly why people like social workers don't get paid much. They're not in demand.
If you pay someone less than they're worth then they just go find a different job and your business grinds to a halt. You have NO idea how capitalism works.
ihavekankles 2 days ago
@ihavekankles I never said you get paid according to how hard your work is in capitalism, I said you get paid as little as possible. How much you get paid doesn't reflect the value of your work, just how easy it is to get someone to do it - and you're ALWAYS paid less than your work is worth, otherwise the business is seeing no benefit from giving you a job.
The majority of people are paid much less than they're worth, and if they leave they're replaced by another desperate unemployed person
cactustactics 2 days ago
@cactustactics
But the value of your work is based exactly on how easy it is to get someone to do it. If something is rare it's worth more. You're saying the same thing as I am. I don't even know how you could come to the conclusion that most people are paid much less than they're worth. How much is "much less"? You're talking shite.
ihavekankles 2 days ago
@ihavekankles No - imagine you make 10 shirts an hour for $10, and someone in a sweatshop makes the same 10 shirts an hour for $1 a day. You're both doing the *exact same work*, you're both turning the same materials into the same end product in the same amount of time, but you're not paid for the value of your work - you're paid as little as possible, depending on local conditions (level of unemployment, labour laws & collective bargaining, ability to discriminate, ability to keep things quiet)
cactustactics 2 days ago
@cactustactics
You ARE paid for the value of your work. The value of your work changes depending on supply and demand. There isn't some fixed value applied to work, it fluctuates depending on supply and demand. I'm paid as little as possible but I'm still paid what my work is worth because that's what my work is worth...
If my employer makes $2 profit on each shirt I make then I wouldn't say I was being paid $2 less per shirt than I'm worth I'd say I'm being paid exactly what I'm worth.
ihavekankles 1 day ago
@ihavekankles If the shirt is worth that extra $2 thanks to your work creating it then yes you're being paid $2 less than your work is worth. That's where profit comes from, the difference between what he pays to get something and what his customer pays to get it (its value to your employer).
If unemployment is high and your employer takes the opportunity to cut wages, but they keep selling those shirts for the same price, the value of your work hasn't changed, but your payment for it has.
cactustactics 1 day ago
@ihavekankles Say your employer makes $2 profit on each shirt you make, after paying all the costs. That's the value you produced that you weren't paid for. If your employer actually paid you the value of your work, he wouldn't be getting anything out of it- it would be a straight exchange, you wouldn't be making any money for the company because all the value you're adding through your work would be given straight back to you. There'd be no profit, and no point having you there. So you get less
cactustactics 2 days ago
@cactustactics you need to do a bit of reading and understand the difference between "normal profit" and "super-normal profit". Normal profit isn't really a profit. It's just the minimum required benefit of running a business in order to make the venture worthwhile.
hellznrg 2 days ago
@axcertypo social work is worthless to society and is basically busywork. you need to read this article "midas' mistake":
webhome.idirect.com/~andyt/midas.html
hellznrg 2 days ago
@hellznrg I know full well that social work is extremely beneficial to society. No article will change that.
axcertypo 2 days ago
@axcertypo let me guess, you're a social worker.
hellznrg 2 days ago
@hellznrg you need to learn that anyone who does his/her job honestly and hard deserves same respect. The street sweeper deserves the same respect as the president, if each person respects his job and does his best. Don't compare. Fine, you're great, but don't put others down. Each occupation is sacred; each occupation deserves respect. Anyone who uses what God has given him/her to the best of his ability, given his luck and circumstances, is a respectable person.
lysol5555 2 days ago
@axcertypo people who make those argument equates making more money as making more contribution to society, except things are not so simple. Many people would say politicians are parasites and they make few times more than the average engineers. These people aren't even making any senses.They compare apples with oranges. I just treat them as jokes. I support you.
lysol5555 2 days ago
What about the difference in pay within the same fields? Woman are still payed less for the same positions. You're comparing different jobs, of course there is going to be a difference in pay.
ceramicwings 3 days ago
@ceramicwings
you missed the point of the whole video. It shows women and men in the same fields with the same amount of experience make almost the same amount of money. It just so happens that few women go for these types of high paying jobs (engineering, IT, math, science etc). I even have first hand experience of this. In college I got an IT degree in MIS, and out of around 30 people in the class 2 of them were girls.
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@Overwatch54 You got issues...deeep issues.
onlockinggeisha 1 day ago in playlist Favorites
Women get paid more for porn. That is discrimination!
MrBeaukinz 4 days ago 7
@MrBeaukinz Not if it is gay porn.
visini14 14 hours ago in playlist Favorites
If companies could get away with paying women less than men for EXACTLY the same work, solely because they're women, then companies would only employ women. Companies want profit.
Tomasito261 4 days ago
I agree with most of what is said but then he says that if we want to see the wage gap become smaller we should encourage women to take on different jobs. Sure if women want to work in business and computer science, ok, but society should not push them to conform. Everyone should be able to pick where they will be happiest,
bandiit17 4 days ago
The choices that women are making are due to gender dichotomies and social conditioning about what is correct for men and women to do. This is where the sexism is happening (where most of the pay gap is coming from.) However, our society also doesn't value/ pay as much for skills that are "feminine." The professionals that are in "women's work," even if they have the same level of education/ more education than a person participating in a "masculine" job, get paid less. We value what is male.
shelovesuke 5 days ago
@shelovesuke Who are this "society" you are talking about? There are more women in the society than man. The markets do not care about "masculine" or "feminine", only demand and supply.The decision that one makes are both genetic and environmental. The NBA is 90% Black. Do you think there is racism in Basketball? Do you think that is cause of racial dichotomies and social conditioning? In the end, only performance matter. If anything, I would argue society value women and children much more.
yauyyb 5 days ago
@yauyyb Society is what we grow up in. It's what teaches kids that women and men are different, have different roles, like different things, and pushes children to conform and internalise it. Look at toy marketing for an example, the segregation and lack of overlap. This goes on throughout people's lives - we internalise it and project these 'gender truths' onto others (like you're doing now) and perpetuate it. When people talk about equality, ignoring gender, society resists and pushes 'roles'
cactustactics 3 days ago
@shelovesuke Many 'masculine' jobs are better paid because they're dirty, dangerous or stressful. Mining, construction, high-level management etc. If a miner was paid the same as a nanny then we wouldn't have enough miners, because there wouldn't be the financial incentive to lure someone down a dark unstable hole for 12 hours a day. But things are changing now anyway, 'feminine' jobs such as administration and general office work are more in demand, so women will earn more.
Tomasito261 4 days ago
I was actually waiting on a video, and then this inermercial popped up and I continued to watch. it brought me here and I learned something. yay Advertisements!
JONAHonTHEhill 6 days ago
This was a well thought out logical video, women will never get it. JK but not really...
sinstarr667 1 week ago
It would be funny, if women and other minorities didn't have to live with this violence and bigotry every day of their lives.People unironically believing that men not being able to assault women for disagreeing is a step back,and that this is an example of how men are oppressed. Pining for the 'good old days' (before most of them were born) when women were expected to find a husband, stay at home doing domestic work and producing babies, meek and obedient and abused to keep them in their place
cactustactics 1 week ago
This is all true and laid out in an easy way to understand. Good Job! But I would argue that it wouldn't be productive to steer men or women away from what they naturally gravitate to. Kind of like how we don't control entrepreneur ship in a Capitalistic society as opposed to a Socialist one in which individuals are assigned projects.
YouHaveWonAFreeiPad 1 week ago in playlist Favorites
Why would we want to "balance things out"? I think it's sad that this world is all about everybody doing the same for the same! There is nothing wrong with different kinds of jobs, and personal choices like this should not be pushed in the hope that they starting 'earning the same'!
MrsPoker 1 week ago 4
man there's long comments here
jie332211 1 week ago 15
You are an annoying Loser. Quit Putting Up advertising on my Music to get views. Seriously man get a life, if you were interesting you would not need to waste your money to get people to listen to you
Muz3Ali 1 week ago in playlist Favorites
@Muz3Ali mad as fuck
BarerRudeROC 1 week ago
The point, if it's been missed, is that women -and their capability, and sacrifices, and achievements, and contribution and value to society- are regularly marginalised, to the point where people think it's justified to discriminate because 'women don't/can't do all these things'. It's a Just World narrative that exists to rationalise prejudice, it doesn't actually reflect reality. Same with the 'women leave work more often to have babies' trope- it's statistically untrue, but 'common knowledge'
cactustactics 1 week ago
@cactustactics Oh you're doing this on every video. I see. So you have an agenda eh? I think you're having a problem that calls for looking up the definition of the word 'bigot' and then looking in a mirror.
knightofhope111 1 week ago
@knightofhope111 Sometimes related videos catch my interest and I end up in conversations there too!
cactustactics 1 week ago
@cactustactics You're saying men take paternity leave with equal frequency when they have children, and that women are equally likely to remain in the labor force following the birth of a child?
Women not choosing to become engineers isn't discrimination, it's a choice, and one that is made in spite of the fact that there are far more efforts to get women involved in engineering.
sniperontheroof123 1 week ago 11
@sniperontheroof123 I'm saying the 'common knowledge' that women are more likely to leave a given position (which is used as rationale to discriminate and offer jobs and promotion to men) is statistically untrue. The leaving rates are about equal, men and women both leave jobs for various reasons, from the employer's position they're both equally likely to stick around
There's a societal bias against women in engineering and science - that's an influence, especially on kids growing up
cactustactics 1 week ago
@cactustactics The labor force participation rate for men 24-54 is around 90%, for women it's around 70%. Since both men and women move in and out of the labor force, the average woman will have to spend less time in the labor force, i.e. will have less work experience.
Social bias is completely different from labor market discrimination, firms can be completely non discriminatory and you'll still have very few female engineers for other reasons (social bias possibly being one).
sniperontheroof123 1 week ago
@sniperontheroof123 We're not talking about averages, we're talking about like-for-like qualified candidates applying for the same job or promotion, so gender should never come into consideration since it statistically doesn't affect leaving rates
Social bias is always a part of it - kids growing up being told women can't or shouldn't do X or Y (and seeing that discrimination) means less women taking up those careers and more people making hiring decisions with that internalised prejudice
cactustactics 1 week ago
@cactustactics Women spend more time out of the labor force (this is a fact, as established by the cited LFPR). If you have evidence that women don't exit the labor force as often, despite the fact that they have a lower LFPR, please cite it.
Too often comparisons are NOT like-for-like qualified candidates, but these simple averages across all professions with no effort made to control for anything - career choice or time spent in the labor force. This was the point the video was addressing.
sniperontheroof123 1 week ago
@sniperontheroof123 I'm not disagreeing with you about labour force participation (for women it's actually about 75% but your point still stands), I'm talking about the statistics for the length of time spent in the same job - if women tended to leave jobs more often (like to have children) you'd see a higher leaving rate, but they're about equal
I'm saying people justify discrimination that occurs by saying 'women are more likely to leave', but it's not true - so that should never be a factor
cactustactics 1 week ago
@cactustactics Sure, the point about the LFPR is that women as a group are only going to get around 70-75% of the work experience that they might otherwise by remaining in the labor force for a longer period.
On the childbearing point, look at a graph of male vs. female LFPR over the life cycle. It's no coincidence that LFPR drops for women reaching childbearing age - this reflects a real increased chance that they will leave their jobs.
sniperontheroof123 2 days ago
@sniperontheroof123 Again average work experience of a demographic has no bearing on the *individual*. We're talking about the suitability of *an individual* for a job and promotion, and providing that *individual* has suitable experience then they're a suitable candidate. The statistics show men and women *leave jobs* at the same rate - it doesn't matter if they're leaving for another job (and remaining in the workforce) or starting a family, gender doesn't make someone more likely to stay
cactustactics 2 days ago
A very well explained concept. I was wondering how I have never actually seen anything in my life to support the original stat (women in my field of customer service make just as much or even more on average) yet this stat has been touted so much. Finding where they get the data is often far more important than the data itself.
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scorici 2 weeks ago
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scorici 2 weeks ago
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MyAniMovies 2 weeks ago
One thing I don't understand is that people do not want to be descriminated for being a woman, black, white, latino, etc; but want advantages based on those same premesis. Go figure! :D
1polymath 2 weeks ago
@1polymath People don't 'want advantages', people want the widespread, established social discrimination that already exists to be eroded. You might disagree with things like quota systems and affirmative action, but they exist for a very specific purpose - to correct imbalances throughout society that exist as a result of centuries of racial and sexual discrimination
On the other hand, we white males benefit from not being seen as second best - so lots of people want to keep those advantages
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics Not that I disagree with you. I believe in what Afirmative Action do but I disagree with the existence of it. The Gov. and Society only have these programs because we refuse to do what it takes to create equal opportunity and build strong institutions. It's basically a band-aid, but if you benefit from it "I ain't mad at cha." Life is hard enough as it is! Political Conservatism and Free Market Capitalism destroyed everything and the moral integrity of it's members.
1polymath 1 week ago
@1polymath right, so it's not true that people fighting for equality are 'looking for advantages' - they're trying to eliminate the systemic disadvantages that exist in society. It's not good that things like AA have to exist in the first place, but until we build a fairer and more equal society then it's another fight that has to be fought. The people looking for advantages over others are those who already enjoy them and want to keep things that way.(And I'm a straight white male, *I'm* fine!)
cactustactics 1 week ago
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caitboehm 2 weeks ago
I'll get back to you guys when I get out of college for geology and get a job. I never ever want screaming brats. They are hell on your health and body. I need muscles for hiking around looking a rocks, not kids pulling me down.
That will be my proof for me if this is true or not :D
Megraptor 2 weeks ago
Since LL didn't post any sources, I cannot confirm how accurate what they're saying is for myself, however I can say that the generalizations about what women choose to do seems like speculation and I am skeptical to say the least. Also the payment gap is far larger than what LL implies it is. For example, engineers (glassdoor . com / blog / search Engineering Pay Gap)
helios5868 2 weeks ago
Oh I have an idea. What about letting men and women choose themselves and stop intervening?
ohedd 2 weeks ago
I go to a technical school. I'm in a game development class, which is combined with a computer science class, and of those two classes combined, there is only one girl. I'm completely sure that if more girls applied for one of those classes rather than hair styling, there would be a more even ratio of males to females in my class.
audioblogs12 2 weeks ago in playlist More videos from LearnLiberty
Really ?! Make man take care of the children and women for the work? That's basically denying your gender ! WOMEN 4 children , MAN 4 work ! Why should a woman try to be a man, and why a man try to be a woman? There is no point in it ! Only brainwashed manginas and the feminazi try to go against nature.
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici So, essentially what you're saying is you're sexist. Women aren't trying to be men, and men aren't trying to be women. There is no reason women can't have the same jobs as men. Does it matter if your surgeon is a woman or man? What about your nurse? Construction worker? Of course not. If they can do the job, they should be given the opportunity. Plain and simple.
JackWisps 2 weeks ago
@JackWisps I'm not sexist ! Feminism is sexist ! They are trying to give jobs to women just because they have a vagina ! And women should be women and mothers as a first priority then jobs and career. Women ruined marriages and generations since the movement ! I'm a victim of that, my mom is one of those bitches who is a sexist, a feminist and I suffered from it ! Do you really think that I don't know what I'm talking about, that I'm making things up when my life is fucked up because of women ?!
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici Yes, there is a lot of sexism from the people who call themselves feminists, especially the hard core ones. That doesn't mean you're not sexist too.
"women should be women and mothers as a first priority then jobs and career" is a sexist statement. How you refer to women, as if they need to be put in their place, the place YOU deem fit, is very sexist, and also quite bigoted.
JackWisps 2 weeks ago
@JackWisps On the contrary my sexist bigot, there is nothing wrong with my statement. If you find something wrong with it then it's your problem, you're the sexist one. Why should anyone deny what really is? Women took the power from men with their crazy statement and playing victim when the victim was the exception not the rule ! I have nothing against true women, GOD bless them , they are the blessing of the society and feminism is the curse of the society. It's simple.
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scorici 2 weeks ago
@JackWisps Feminists need to be put in their place, women are already in their place. You are deviating that I'm taking this against all women when in fact I take it against sexist and feminists ! There is a difference, make sure you don't cross that line ! Cause I'm not crossing it !
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici What is best in any situation is not necessarily the way "nature designed it". Humans have given up on instincts and nature and use our reason, that is why we manage to cooperate in big civilizations at all. A particular man can certainly be better than a particular woman at raising children compared to working, and vice versa. Perhaps there are more women who are better, but I think one should choose the best in a given situation, and not just do it like it's always been done.
mortalisk 2 weeks ago
@mortalisk "A particular man can certainly be better than a particular woman at raising children compared to working, and vice versa." your logic is that of promoting the exception and making it the rule so other can benefit ! But that's ok because logic has nothing to do with it... or is it? : " Humans have given up on instincts and nature and use our reason" where is your logic now? contradictin itself.
"that is why we manage to cooperate in big civilizations at all" men did it not women !!!
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici Why are you talking about logic? You are assuming that I am on the feminists(state intervention kind) side, which I am not, then putting up a couple of strawman for me to attack. Your post made no sense.
From my perspective most women these days are sub-optimal child raisers in context of their relationship, while many of the men actually have a more relaxed attitude and I think their children would be better off if they were more at home in stead of or in addition to their woman.
mortalisk 2 weeks ago
@mortalisk Even when men are more optimal as child raisers they should not do it ! You know why ? BECAUSE THEY ARE MEN FOR GOD SAKE !!! They should not do it because that's still role changing, it's still bs, is just an argument for women not to be women and to have this pretext that men are more "optimal" for child raising bs.
It's not men fault for women incompetence !!!
My comment made no sense, are you kidding me? Seriously ! It's not rocket science put some effort in it and you'll get it.
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici If men are more optimal as child raisers then how is that 'role changing'? If a man is good at something and you say 'you shouldn't do that because men aren't good at it' then you're not making any sense, and you're making irrational decisions based on some prejudice you hold. These kinds of stubborn generalisations are harmful, they lead to people being excluded from things they enjoy and which they're good at, unhappiness and a net loss for society as a whole
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics Really? you say: "These kinds of stubborn generalisations are harmful" because it makes sense to you to promote the exception and show everyone "look what men are good for" and then becomes another misleading generalization than is promoted and feminazi take advantage and go against the rest of men !!!
It's good for children when men takes care of them better than women but it's not good that women generalize this and make it as standard reversing the role slowly but surely.
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici Why aren't men meant to be child-raisers? "They're just not, ok" isn't an answer. Why are men apparently bad at connecting emotionally with children, being supportive and caring and loving, and bringing them up to be healthy, happy and well-adjusted adults? What makes women so much better at all this, to the point where you're happy to generalise and say 'men shouldn't raise children because it's not their role'? Why is it bad to have individuals do what they're genuinely good at?
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics "They're just not" is actually an answer, and a good one, it's not their role !!!
If women cant' do it properly then why men do it? Do we have to grow boobs and breast feed them? Are you kidding me?
I blame feminism for this, all was good until some bitches decided that they want to act like men, that they don't need men and crap like that. Well guess what children needs women, not feminazi, not men, WOMEN !!! TRUE WOMEN !!!
I know this best because of my mom who's a bitch !!!
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici ...sounds like someone needs to talk to their therapist about their mother.
Every study that has looked into the subject has found that children turn out fine whoever raises them. Estrogen is not an essential ingredient of well-raised children, competent parents is. Good job not answering cactustactics' points.
helios5868 2 weeks ago
@helios5868 All my life I was made believe that I'm mentally ill, that I need to be hospitalized in an mental hospital by my mother when she was the was the one who was literally insane !
I respect your opinion about these studies but I know reality and how things really are and how they should be and I have a different opinion.
watch?v=q-_6wwHpAr8
watch?v=rUg3musM_Bo
and so on, youtube have good videos about the situation.
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici Oh wait, you're a kid? I don't know what's going on with you or your mom but that's nothing to do with the rest of the people in the world - look, people are good at all kinds of different things. Some people will look at men and women and tell them they can't do this or that, they won't be good at it, it's 'not what they're supposed to do'. It's just blind prejudice based on old social rules, the same rules people use to judge you badly by you're from or the colour of your skin
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics Well said.Stereotypes exist,because on one scale or another,people of [chosen demographic]are disproportionally prone to do[stereotypicaly action].Dealing in large numbers of people, you can make those generalizations statistically.Its just mass judgment.Holding an individual to your judgment of their demographic,when they demonstrably don't fit:THAT is prejudice.That is WRONG.No one is gona tell me my mom isn't an engineer, or my Asian friend isn't the most bad-ass driver around.
Xylos144 2 weeks ago
@Xylos144 It's not just that though, it's an assumption that becomes self-fulfilling. People are disproportionately prone to do certain things because society conditions us that way - like if your mom's an engineer, I bet she's faced a whole lot of doubt and discouraging attitudes from other people throughout her life, just because everyone's told that 'women don't make good engineers' or 'it's men's work'. People echo what they've been told throughout their life and rarely stop to question it
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics I'm not a kid anymore I'm 27 y/o and I don't have a misconception, I how reality really is not how some feminazi paint reality with their delusional thinking. Men can only be equal to women only if they are women and vice versa.
scorici 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics
watch?v=rUg3musM_Bo
watch?v=5rkl_oLSKQc
watch?v=ERwzqvs7vvU
watch?v=3S7v4fuguHI
watch?v=6ZAuqkqxk9A
please educate yourself and drop your misconception and recognize reality !
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici I'm sorry you've had a bad childhood, and nobody should have to go through that, but you can't let it distort your view of the world and control all your future relationships. You said yourself that it's because of your mother that you have these opinions about women, so obviously you realise that this one person is causing you to see half of the entire human race in a very negative light. Women are not all the same, neither are all men - don't let one person poison your mind
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics I wish that it was only my mother, it started with her but it's everywhere, feminism is a global phenomenon. It's a common theme across the women I meet even though it's not talked about it still has tremendous negative influence. Each women is different but they are very different from how they used to be in the past. I don't want to trash somebody for no reason GOD knows I've been in this situation but I know what I'm talking about !
However many women are still just true women.
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici But whatever happened to you in your childhood has nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is about equality and respect and about tackling social prejudices, so that everyone can be whoever they want to be and pursue whatever interests them or makes them happy, whatever their gender - tackling those prejudices is a broad subject, and it raises some difficult questions, but that's basically it. It's about people being good to each other, that's why I'm a feminist (and no I'm not a woman)
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics Bullshit !!! What happened with my childhood has everything to do with feminism because feminist is sexual discrimination and not equality, it was never about equality it was about taking power from men. If it's about equality why is not equalitism? It's called feminism because it focus only on women and their problems while totally excluding men ! Don't try to brainwash me, I know what it is and how it works. Your a feminist and your not a woman ? OMFG what happened to the world!
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici It's called feminism because it's about correcting embedded social discrimination against women - the attitudes and practices that treat women as weak, inferior, incapable of performing certain jobs and activities as well as men, the attitudes that say women should be meek and quiet and subservient and which enable violence to go unchecked. It doesn't exclude men at all- men are also told to accept this and how they should behave, and are excluded and punished by society when they don't
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics Feminism criminalized men and manhood, it's simple like that and I guess you haven't watched any of the vids I reply to you so you can see what really is and not your fairy definition. Feminism = discrimination against men !!! And your last reply proved that you are a women, oh how far you take this game because I am a solid proof that feminism is evil even more than communism. Soon I wouldn't wounder if it would became illegal to be a man. All feminist men are really manginas !!
scorici 2 weeks ago
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@cactustactics Feminism criminalized men and manhood, it's simple like that and I guess you haven't watched any of the vids I reply to you so you can see what really is and not your fairy definition. Feminism = discrimination against men !!! And your last reply proved that you are a women, oh how far you take this game because I am a solid proof that feminism is evil even more than communism. Soon I wouldn't wounder if it would became illegal to be a man. All feminist men are really manginas !!
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici I mean I don't know what happened when you were a kid, but you're saying that you were discriminated against for your gender... but that's exactly what you're doing right now. You know how horrible and unfair it is to be punished by someone for your gender, but you're accepting it and encouraging it yourself. It's like suffering racial abuse, and then racially abusing other people - if it wasn't justified when it happened to you (and it's not), then it's not justified to do it to others
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics I don't discriminate women, not all women are feminists !!! I defend myself against sexism and feminism because I know when I see it. I know when to stop, but in case of feminism there is no stopping until is dead. This isn't revenge this is defending man and manhood against the abuse of feminism, you are deviating that I'm the abuser and in your mind like any other feminist you are still the victim when in fact you hold all the cards that matter in this society. It makes me sick!
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici You've been discriminating against women in all your comments - talking about 'their roles' and 'staying in their place', about what a 'true woman' is, how they 'should be women and mothers' instead of focusing on careers... would you like being told that because you're a man you should be meek and submissive, staying at home and being a good husband and knowing your place, instead of living the life you want to lead? That's exactly the kind of discrimination we're trying to end
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics You tried to fool me that you are a man, playing the role of a feminist man when in fact it was all politics with you and not about justice ! That's how evil feminist is, trying to take every shape possible just to keep the injustice going just because it favors women and does not everybody else including children because of the broken marriages ! You have showed you true face here ! What kind of idiot would go against his own gender ? That's right, no sane men would go that way !
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici Except I'm not 'going against my gender' because I don't have a tribal mentality toward life, it's not some team sport where I win by keeping women down and benefitting from being on top and in a position of power
What's a broken marriage exactly? One where the people involved don't want to be together anymore? Why should two people (and yes that includes men) be forced or expected to spend their life trapped and unhappy? Is it better to raise kids in a tense and loveless house?
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics Nobody is that stupid to persist in contradicting me for so long and not be a woman ! The broken marriage is done by feminism and the "trapped and unhappy" wasn't in this percentage before feminism. The current law give all the right to the women in case of marriage and divorce. "Position of power" you speak? Women want all the benefits of "equality" like high payday but without responsibility of a high post, they want their coziness but be paid like they work their ass off !!!
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici No, women want to be able to take jobs and be paid for doing them without being discriminated against for being a woman, which still happens even with the gains feminism has produced. There's nothing unreasonable about people not wanting to be prejudged for things like their gender or skin colour!
All feminism has done for unhappy marriages is to help women realise they have a choice. It actually helps marriage in that promoting equality and respect makes for strong relationships
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics I know you want equal rights and not be discriminated, but the bottom like is that feminism does more harm to men that does good for women. I don't stand against women rights but the feminism is very dangerous for men, it corners them and it makes it very difficult to still be man , it limits them. I know that you are a woman and defend what you think is right and I'm a man telling from experience what feminism really does. Men only want to defend, trust me. Have a good day.
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici Men (and yes I am one, not that it matters) who want to defend their privileged position over women aren't interested in fairness or what's right. Everything you've said has been used to justify slavery in the past - black people 'have a place' below white people, if black people are granted rights white people will 'lose out', etc etc
Want to know how to 'be a man'? Stand up for people, whoever they are, especially the socially oppressed. Don't hide behind your privileged social group
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics I still don't believe that you are a man ! There is no privileged position over women, on the contrary... I have told you that men have less rights than women especially concerning marriage and divorce. I have nothing against black people. And everything I said has been used to justify slavery in the past? OMG, it's only ok when the women are asking for their rights but when a guy does it suddenly is not ok anymore , and nobody is taking is seriously ! That is discrimination !!
scorici 2 weeks ago
@scorici No privileged position over women? Do women hold the majority of political office in the world? The majority of corporate board positions? The majority of high-paying jobs? Are men routinely told they're no good at science and technology work, that work is actually 'the woman's role', that they're expected to sit there and look good or else they're worthless? Are men expected to live as domestic servants? Do men live their lives knowing they're at risk of being raped, and blamed for it?
cactustactics 2 weeks ago
@cactustactics It would be easy to 'prove', in just a farcical way, that women are privileged over men - not expected to fight in wars, less at risk of violent assault or premature death, valued more (newspapers publicise murders of women as they're more shocking), not expected to do dirty and dangerous jobs like sewer work or rescue… you see? it's not so simple as 'men rule and women are 2nd class citizens'
GrandPianolaMusic 1 week ago
@GrandPianolaMusic What's 'farcical' about any of the facts I pointed out? They're all social trends and attitudes towards women, reinforced generation after generation *intentionally*, with people seeking justifications for treating women as inferior, less capable, less important. Are you trying to say this is some kind of fair exchange, just because men are given more responsibility? Have you ever felt like you're expected to work in a sewer, just because you're a man, and that's your place?
cactustactics 1 week ago
@GrandPianolaMusic and women go to war (and their sacrifices played down), they do rescue work, and sewer work, they're valued so much that rape isn't even taken seriously, and here's the latest DoJ report:
In 2010, for the first time since the NCVS began reporting
on differences in victimizations by sex, males (15.7 per
1,000 males age 12 or older) and females (14.2 per 1,000)
had similar rates of violent victimization.This indicates a
continuing convergence of male and female victimization
cactustactics 1 week ago
@cactustactics women don't do rescue/sewer/nasty jobs nearly as often as men (this is just a fact) and aren't expected to go to war with drafts, or fight on the front lines… and imagine if you're out with a girl and get attacked, no one will think less of the girl if she hides behind you. that is 'female privilege'… as I don't hate nature I have nothing against it. And since when was rape not taken seriously?? now you are just making things up.
GrandPianolaMusic 1 week ago
@GrandPianolaMusic women do plenty of nasty jobs, but you're proving my point - women have traditionally been excluded from 'responsible' jobs like rescue, and although more and more women do them they're still considered 'jobs for men'. Same goes for war - women see combat, are shot at and shoot back, end up dead or wounded, yet they're denied recognition because the official line is 'only men are combat troops'. And even if what you're saying were true, how would that justify any of it?
cactustactics 1 week ago
@cactustactics well you cannot lie about that. Men are more suited for combat. We are made to die, Women overall do have it FAR Easier than men do unless they choose not to. Which most women do not (But I have high respect for those women who do stick their selves out there to achieve something positive) . I'd say the cultural attitude women have engraved (not saying all women do) have ruined their chances. This generation of men and women. MY generation, Are a fucking joke.
tehatemachine 1 week ago
@tehatemachine why are men 'more suited to combat'? You're just asserting things as though they're inherently true. You know that there are women in the military, right? In combat situations? You know the military has admissions criteria, so anyone who makes it through is 'suited to combat' regardless of their gender?
It's sexist if you insist that a person's gender limits what they can or can't do. Insisting this means women have it easy is either ignorance or an attempt to silence criticism
cactustactics 1 week ago
@cactustactics Men by default are stronger than women, They also think differently, Men are able to carry more. It's not just about physical toughness. It's also mental toughness. Men are more mentally stable than women, Especially in combat areas. These are not assertions. They have been shown over and over as fact.
tehatemachine 1 week ago
@cactustactics "It's sexist if you insist that a person's gender limits what they can or can't do." Now THAT is an assertion.
Because actual evidence does show each gender having advantages/disadvantages.
Again aiming for equality. You will have no such thing, Who decides what's fair? Life isn't fair get over it.
tehatemachine 1 week ago
@cactustactics "You know the military has admissions criteria, so anyone who makes it through is 'suited to combat' regardless of their gender?" Depends which field work you are doing, Navy seals = Men only.
tehatemachine 1 week ago
@tehatemachine you're talking about statistical advantages or disadvantages, some of which are real (strength) and often due to social conditioning (dissuading people from pursuing interests and education paths), some of which are just prejudice talking. None of this is good reason to discriminate against *individuals*, which ends up exacerbating the problem.
If someone meets military criteria, as fit to serve, they get in. If a woman gets in, she's capable - more capable than men who didn't
cactustactics 1 week ago
@cactustactics IF i ever saw you. I'd likely back hand you since you didn't read a damn word i've already said, But then i'd go to jail since the law heavily protects your ugly worthless ass and instantly labels me as a criminal. If it was another women who backhanded you, Then it's HIGHLY likely that she wouldn't even be taken into custody. Society puts women ahead of men. Yet you ask for more? Us men are disposable and are made to DIE.
tehatemachine 1 week ago
@tehatemachine Sorry to spoil your woman-beating fantasies but I'm a guy - thanks for proving my point though!
"A man can't even smack a woman for having an opinion these days without getting into trouble, what is the world coming to!?"
cactustactics 1 week ago
@cactustactics Oh so you're a fagot then. Typical, Or you are simply trying to mask yourself as being a guy (lol hai guys i'm a bro like u) Still you are a complete pussy regardless of having one or not.
tehatemachine 1 week ago
@cactustactics So your feminist aim for equality certainly was a success in doing exactly what i said it would do. By having NOTHING of actual equality and spreading more discrimination. Milton Friedman certainly was right and you leftards ignore him because you don't like to be shown the truth about economics. Go ahead and cover your hands over your eyes from seeing the truth. It's safe staying in the closet.
tehatemachine 1 week ago
@cactustactics FYI, women in the military have different entry criteria than for men.
hellznrg 4 days ago
@hellznrg anyone meeting entry criteria is considered fit for the job, that's the entire point. You're either capable, or you're not.
Think about this - a military role requires certain capabilities for the person to fulfil that role. If the entry requirements for two people are different, but they're both capable, then the higher requirements are unnecessary- the low ones are adequate. So unnecessarily high strength criteria will have systematically excluded women from roles they're capable of
cactustactics 3 days ago
@cactustactics farrell's "why men earn more": When a 1985 Navy study found that most women were not able to perform any of the eight most critical jobs required for people on ship, they redefined the jobs to be inclusive of women. For example, the job of carrying a stretcher, previously a two-man job, changed: It is now a four-person
job. And the definition of “passing” changed: Women at West Point are given 5:30 minutes to complete an obstacle course that the men must complete in 3:20 minutes.
hellznrg 3 days ago
@cactustactics "Here’s the productivity-pay dilemma: If a man assigned to carry a
stretcher needs only one additional man, but a woman needs three additional people, should the man receive extra productivity pay if he partners with a man to carry the stretcher, freeing two other military people for other functions?"
hellznrg 3 days ago
@hellznrg Except people aren't hired as stretcher-bearers, so it's a tenuous standard - naval boarding teams require people with smaller physiques to navigate small spaces, should this count against large men? Or their inefficiency at this:
"The ships being boarded had women amongst the crew. They immediately gravitated toward the women on the boarding team and were more than happy to share information which would normally have to be extracted through lengthy and tedious questioning."
cactustactics 3 days ago