@beeeefcurtains mutas are tier 2 and who cares its just the counter. If you go small amounts of mutas against decent amount of marines then youre an idiot
@beeeefcurtains yes because there won't be tier one units with the mutas to protect them. It's only logical for tier one units to counter tier one units (because that would be totally fair), tier two units to counter tier 2 units, and tier 3 units to counter tier 3 units.
@R1DDL3RS or you can, you know, 14 or 15 pool, defend 4 gates with early roach, defend two rax if you dont fast expand, and expand once you feel like it. eco's so much better too, how are you gonna time an attack with 12 pool, zergling? :p
sorry if any of that didnt make sense its fucken 1 o clock oh man im tired xDD
if he went transitioned to roaches and went for a roach bust instead of trying 2 more attempts he wouldve won... hellions are crap against roaches and there was a window where hd had only 1 tank
baneling bust is such a wast of banelings, better to get roaches and a nearby overlord for vision. Since the roach range was increased, makes dismantling walls much easier. Also, shame on the zerg player for not scouting the terran wall to see if it was "bustable"
@vladbis same thing i guess, just with more buildings. once some guy 6pooled me on a wide ramp map. iduno how i held that off (got 3 more depots as soon as i saw the lings)
i would have run in two times before saying fuck it and mass ling/nydusing into the back of his base to make sure you were'nt making that pretty little wall again
then go back to the front door with teched blings just to make sure you were'nt trying to spam marines/hellions or nuthin.
and i did have even bether wall of .... and got thors 4 muta, marin marauders tanks ... and he makes like 60 -70 baneling and kills everything in my base:(((
a) now I know what the hell to look for! b) has anyone tried a bottom ramp defense? Block the top with 2 depots & barracks as normal, but put a building at the bottom of the ramp also? (place the bldg so they can't go up the near side, only the far side) Forcing the zerg to deal with that first while taking fire or forcing the banelings to run the long way around while also taking fire. Plus the building narrows the ramp and they'd be going up in single file. I'll have to try this next time.
@victordls it's a call down "supplies" expansion for the supply depot that you can order from the Orbital command.. it costs you 50 energy and you get an additional 8 supply.. altho i almost never use it... i like to save that energy for "scanner sweep" and "call down mule" ;)
pretty bad zerg. He should have stopped baneling bust and expo'd after the first try, and then maybe keep HD contained him in his base with his second bunch on baneling and lings. Then zerg should have be ahead.
just a comment... going 15 or 14 gas and tehn pool is standard for zerg nowadays... you just pull off drones from the gas if you don't need it...
since zerg units are all so gas heavy really an early gas as you call it... isn't that early at all... more like needed if you ask me
not to mention the b-busts were very poorly preformed and with centrifugal hooks (speed upgrade) would've decimated the weak spots without sever losses on the z side
It's interesting that the Zergs are desperately trying to find new fast bust strategies, instead of taking it slow with a stable main force of roaches, hydras & lings.
The key for the Terrans is to use their scouts well and also take good care of the Adaptability that the Terran Race have. Be sure to put the Racks and Factory up front with Rines at the back to push off the early rush, then go Hellions & Sieges, and be sure to put up an early Engineering bay too to prevent..
Prevent Z if he chooses to go mutas. :) then it's simple "AUTOBOTS... ROLL OUT..." head for vikings and start eat up the Overlords ^^ for some easy harass, then split your main force into 3 for a easy split up if the Zerg will try to surround you, lure the Zerg to hunt a few units you have and run back to your tanks... ^_^ Some funny Rat & Cat play hehe... Be sure to be dynamic and adaptable... and remember ;) Dead Overlords = Delays Expands
Just because a few Zerg players were inspired by that one dude way back early in the beta to try the baneling bust doesn't mean the ENTIRE POPULATION of Zerg players are desperate cheesers who don't want to try macro.....First off, I only know of 1 desperation-all-in-bust build and second, you can't possibly describe the entire Zerg situation as desperate.
Interesting indeed... Of course the Zerg are really macro heavy.
It wasn't my intention to push every zerg over the line there matey. But the zergs I've met have been really agressive! wich isn't that usual for a zerg these days.
@Vaelon that doesnt work because any half retarded terran can just use siege tanks to guard their front door, terran is so unfair, and stupidly over powered
What do you mean that doesnt work? There's thousands of work arounds for any strategy, the right cheese on the bread at the right time could make all the difference in a fight. :) If you do think that Terran is an unfair race to play, then I really want you to rethink, because I find Starcraft 2 very balanced at this point.
most good z players will 9pool 1st to harass while teching and building up, this slow terran build would fail instantly. Also you have gone over 5 minutes expecting wave after wave of baneling... a good z would hide a spire only revealing baneling bust u would lose to mutas;/ gg no re
Baneling bust will knock you out the first time you see it, but honestly it's so easy to stop if you see it coming and it's basically a guaranteed win for the victim if they stop it.
I never play sc2 but from my experience from starcraft 1 I can say that autor of this guide miss the meaning of sc playing.
Starcraft is about to rush defending not about this use map setting play. If you will follow this guide U will never good in starcraft in sc1 or sc2 is not important.
I just wanted to say one simply thing. That If you will follow this guide and this type of "camp" style you will never be good in sc2, cause its not only about what you do in the game its also about the ideology for playing, and some ideology like this will made you slower and slower and slower and one time you will loosing all games.
This type of playing starcraft is not going to make you a good player.
by the way if you better watch on the replay that man have bunker(he must spent money for this thing and can make another unit instead of bunker) second things he lose building the same he can make another unit and all of that can be stucked in the coming way with the same effect, but remember that bunker and suply depot u never can send to the attack. Thats the problem clever zerg will never attack on that wall and u only waste money on bunker etc...
In starcraft is something what can be called "final makro". It means final evolution of your army. It can be for exampl 200 limit of unit and 4 expand based on different type of your and oponent race. Final makro is different in terran vs protos, teran vs terran and so on.
The players must hurry to that level of evolution as fast as possible cause it means the win in starcraft.
How your evolution will be fast is based on your expand. Your expand is based on one thing on count of your army, you must have so much unit for enough defend as well evolution of your oponent is so slow as much unit you have.
You know starcraft is complicated game so I cant explain you everything but...
If you will give money to camp unit, which cant be use in "attack" you often can get in the situation in which you camp to evolve, but in fact your enemy...
...your enemy will grow faster than you, cause of you waste money on defending things like bunker, suply depots in time u dont need it, on turret what you never use...
So you oponent will grow cause of he will have enough army to defend new expand but u will have peace of the shit and 10 bunkers and 10 another unit which you can alone delete in another part of the game.
Thats the reason why there is some good ways for playing starcraft and this guide you can trustme is realshit
What are you talking about this guy is is sending banelings to their death which is costing him alot, also bunkers can be salvaged, and you need supply depots, The Zerg guy went all in and HD defended it to win, what would you suggest just leave the front door open vs this sort of strat?
Yes u understand me well. I try on 100% try front door let opened even with macro change to have more unit for defend, only if it looks totaly necessary I close it, but based on my experience from sc1 I bet there 1000 other ways for defending this.
And as you say u need suply depot so u never should lose it :).
@asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw You don't understand the main reason Terran is so good against Zerg: turtling. When you build supply depots you are increasing your supply, a necessity, by placing them at your choke you gain a second use for them. It blocks any ling rushes and enables you to defend against large numbers. A few bunkers are cheap and can be salvaged. If Zerg does get an expo and doesn't get early units it is very effective for a Terran to simply push, with no defense for himself, Zerg dies.
I understand that and what u say follow my comments.
I just want to notice that after sc2 will little older game, (now its new and there makro is week) based on my makro experiences from sc1 and how it was evolving through the time of playing sc, maybe u alone give me the truth, that these guide is only lame camping as the almost same tactics as this (at the first look) use the "noobs" in sc1, not the good players. I just want to warn players that these camping ideas is not good
but I really dont want to someone mean that camping on staracraft is useless, its base way to win :) but camp with what u can later use or just use at the time, otherway u will damage ur makro.
Anyway as i said i never played sc2 so maybe against this tactics u must make wall. I spoke with my friend who continue in sc2 and he say me that its almost imposible defend this without wall and that u can make wall with another building... suply depot is bad idea as he said. But anyway I trust that later makro wil solve this problem without this strange betoning.
@asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw terran HAS to wall against zerg. this is totally different from sc1. the main problem is that marines are super weak in defense/health, scvs have 45 hp, different from the 60 in sc1. plus zerg can get 6 zerglings faster than you can get 3 marines. no ones saying to camp in your own base the whole game but if you don't want to play a camping terran, you can move out when you have the army to but the wall is basically free because you use all buildings that you'll build anywa
Ok maybe u r right and noone time comes macro which will able play against this tactics without wall...
btw I was talking about building what was destroyed I know that u everytime use building what u must to build even ...
my friend told me that u can easy make wall with faktory and rax but u should start with that from start- without suply depot which is so easy to kill...
@maddog937 cable high speed internet, speed testing at 19.79mb/s you clearly are a troll. You failed to understand what I was getting at; the ads are cutting into the bandwidth. Hence fast ads and slower loading times for the actual video.
Of course it's not every video, it's just enough to make it annoying.
@Wojofire he went for a mutalisk transition, witch could explain why he didn t have an expension. not saying it was smart, but he did go for all in strat
@Wojofire ya but at least his first attack was even sooner in the game than HD's baneling bust video by about 5 seconds. the main thing is the first attack.
hmm well nice tutorial lvl, but when i am going to play vs a zerg player, he is much faster than your opponent :S (im sure, that i build my buildings as fast as you build)
So I looked at this vid this afternoon and I just started playing Terran in league games today.
3rd game I had a zerg who tried to baneling bust me, I did the double wall off... some buildings were destroyed but I managed to keep em out untill I had enough tank. He then went for mutas but due to my scouting I was able to counter his mutas with turrets, marines and vikings. He had hardly anything left when I reached his base since he only had his main and no expansion.
@MattNicholson7 yeah I know thors are better but it was faster for me to get some vikings to attack his base fast enough,... didn't want the game to last mcuh longer and he didn't have many mutas by the time I got to his base. Thanks though :D
HDGamer thank you for this very useful tuorial, although I rarely get matched up versus a zerg race ,atleast I know how to react o a baneling bust strategy!
I don't see the need to do a massive wall. If you know baneling and zergling attack is coming you should have ~4 hellions up by thew time they attack and a few marines. Barracks and two SDs are enough.
nice, I like the fairness too, it makes it so that you not only learn the initial wave of successful tactics but their counters, proliferating skills as opposed to tricks!
I'm a protoss player. Zerg muta harass gives me loads of problems. Could you make a tutorial about how to defend against zerg muta harass? Normally while i'm struggling to defend my probes against muta harass, they are sniping all my expansions, sniping random production buildings if I defend my expansion, and making loads of expansions of their own ;(
If you have reached the stage of the game where your opponents have motherships, immortals, *and* carriers then you made a misstep somewhere in the previous 10 minutes of gameplay.
@Winstet420 not gonna lie man, last night I saw the terran guy walled off REAL early so I made banelings and blew the shit out of his front door. The guy was shocked and actually congratulated me on how well it was done, lol
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PrittAmundson334 1 month ago
what if you get busted before you scout it? :/
How do oyu hold it? xD
BradenR3 2 months ago
Yo dawg i herd you liek walls, so we put a wall in yo wall so that you can wall while you wall.
Blasthood 2 months ago 2
Just got busted real bad ... NOW I KNOW! AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!
Oddity5151 2 months ago
Viet cheese xD
TulolNguyen 3 months ago 3
@Mun885 You misunderstand. @Pantalaymo means that this video is easy to understand, even for a non-native English speaker.
soulfulscience 3 months ago
marine marauder destroying hatchery win :D thats how
Hellsingfmavdnaruto 4 months ago
Even if English isn't your mother language you are very good to understand!! :) Nice tutorial thx!!!
Pantalaymo 4 months ago 7
@Pantalaymo He definitely is native speaker. His accent is great.
Mun885 4 months ago 3
@Pantalaymo
.... It... is... he was born in United States... AWKWARD...
AllstarHunE 1 month ago
wow, just wow thats a un optimal banelingbust....
Dexterandcesar 5 months ago
I lost my first two placement matches to baneling busts. No more
InfectedFetus00 5 months ago
You should host a bad game show
IAmKingBonzo 5 months ago
Watching this today, one year ago.
AzNDraGoN4594 7 months ago
that zerg player waz a noob.
kowalityjesus 7 months ago
i simply put a marauder outside the wallin, who, due not having light armor, eats up like 6 banelings on himself.
earlygame are often not enough banelings to kill the rauder and the building, so a few repair scv's and marines/marauders can hold the position.
worked countless of times, since Zerg send their banes up the ramp with a-move
1wing1 7 months ago
I like how soft mutas are. It makes sense to have a tier one unit totally smoke a tier three unit.
beeeefcurtains 7 months ago
@beeeefcurtains mutas are tier 2 and who cares its just the counter. If you go small amounts of mutas against decent amount of marines then youre an idiot
thesketchydude118 7 months ago
@beeeefcurtains yes because there won't be tier one units with the mutas to protect them. It's only logical for tier one units to counter tier one units (because that would be totally fair), tier two units to counter tier 2 units, and tier 3 units to counter tier 3 units.
STarCRAFT4BRITS 5 months ago
make more tutorials! these are great!
better than pro matches becuase we get way better.
ty man
IceHarmony 7 months ago
phodacbiet <3
zavcakes 8 months ago
I saw the title and was like, "is this even possible"?
Glatorix 8 months ago
I beat a guy today in Bronze (yeah Im not that great) this video isn't exactly great...I always take:
8 scout
9 Overlord
12 pool if I see a weak wall off
11 gas
18 hatch
It's a solid build from what I can see and gives no hints to what I'm doing.
R1DDL3RS 8 months ago
@R1DDL3RS who does 12 pool xDD
noobrages 8 months ago
@noobrages Many people. Defend 4 gates with early roach. Defend 2 Rax. Attack earlier. Timed attack. All advantages.
R1DDL3RS 8 months ago
@R1DDL3RS or you can, you know, 14 or 15 pool, defend 4 gates with early roach, defend two rax if you dont fast expand, and expand once you feel like it. eco's so much better too, how are you gonna time an attack with 12 pool, zergling? :p
sorry if any of that didnt make sense its fucken 1 o clock oh man im tired xDD
noobrages 8 months ago
nydus worm on the other end of your base = gg :)
yomuddaso8 8 months ago
those banelings did TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DAMAGE
Zibathy 9 months ago
lol pho dac biet
xaglx 9 months ago
what about a late game "fast" group of overlords pooping banelings on top of your base?...i got wrecked like that by a diamond player haha
yeahmoik 10 months ago
He should have transed to mutas after the second bust.
KyvannShrike 10 months ago
Someone just did this on me, and I'm toss TT Saw the gas and started to get immortals for anti roach, but guess he went banelings TT And i lost bad.
Fouge642 1 year ago
all in to prevent a baneling bust... u remade 5 supply depots... ?
okcurtin 1 year ago
What do I do against a 2 base baneling bust transition to mutas ? Lost to that like 4 times today >_>
Undertaker2Xtreme 1 year ago
@Undertaker2Xtreme You should go vikings and then hit them mutas up and then keep harrasing while maybe grabbing a base.
alexandervv123 1 year ago
when im zerg i do what he did until u dont kill any buildings and he gets helions and tanks and a some marines
then i get mutas
fubbyquacker 1 year ago
if he went transitioned to roaches and went for a roach bust instead of trying 2 more attempts he wouldve won... hellions are crap against roaches and there was a window where hd had only 1 tank
jwangcap 1 year ago
what would have been awesome is if he baneling dropped on you bans you had tanks and bunkers, a few overlords wrapping and one dropping. gg
TheBasicissue 1 year ago
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KyrisTV 1 year ago
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KyrisTV 1 year ago
would getting the +2 armor upgrade from the engine bay help?
jskizoop 1 year ago
@jskizoop
Yes, reduces baneling damage by 20%.
JJFZ3000 1 year ago
That reminds me of my bronze games in early release :D
fu7ur3w0rld 1 year ago
Oh boy, Derrick Young is online!
ecartboy 1 year ago
how do you check the attack range of your units, like you did with your siege tanks?
redskinallday 1 year ago
baneling bust is such a wast of banelings, better to get roaches and a nearby overlord for vision. Since the roach range was increased, makes dismantling walls much easier. Also, shame on the zerg player for not scouting the terran wall to see if it was "bustable"
live2createlife 1 year ago
so what about wide ramp?
vladbis 1 year ago
@vladbis same thing i guess, just with more buildings. once some guy 6pooled me on a wide ramp map. iduno how i held that off (got 3 more depots as soon as i saw the lings)
AeanHD 1 year ago
Cheers Fellas for Thumbing my comments! <3
Cheers
Kris
Vaelon 1 year ago
thanks so much for the vid!
Specially the scouting info was important for me, recognizing a 1 base fast gas as banelings. B-nest works aswell ^^
neokjuh 1 year ago
i would have run in two times before saying fuck it and mass ling/nydusing into the back of his base to make sure you were'nt making that pretty little wall again
then go back to the front door with teched blings just to make sure you were'nt trying to spam marines/hellions or nuthin.
alucardisdumb 1 year ago
I dont have an issue with the ads but when it buffers it gets annoying...
chucklez117 1 year ago
and i did have even bether wall of .... and got thors 4 muta, marin marauders tanks ... and he makes like 60 -70 baneling and kills everything in my base:(((
TBoneAgain 1 year ago
zerg should've expanded when he was pressuring terran
SoulTrii 1 year ago
wow the zerg player could have nydus busted you by now... if my bust ever fails i switch to nydus bust and it surprises em every time...
TheEggroll4321 1 year ago
looks so easy when you do this, im still stuck at bronze xD
snipiz 1 year ago
@snipiz ur not the only one.....
nAthaNkco 1 year ago
@snipiz don't sweat it, you'll get out of bronze! i believe you can!
RizenUFO 1 year ago
Did you record this in bronze league or what?
terkanstan 1 year ago
a) now I know what the hell to look for! b) has anyone tried a bottom ramp defense? Block the top with 2 depots & barracks as normal, but put a building at the bottom of the ramp also? (place the bldg so they can't go up the near side, only the far side) Forcing the zerg to deal with that first while taking fire or forcing the banelings to run the long way around while also taking fire. Plus the building narrows the ramp and they'd be going up in single file. I'll have to try this next time.
mangoknights 1 year ago
really good video, something tht i have always have a problem with early game against zerg, tyvm
caveman295 1 year ago
Did your opponent ever see this video??
Nothing4more 1 year ago
That other guy is Vietnamese
641smoke 1 year ago
i wish i watched this before i got baneling busted.
fartingunicorn7 1 year ago 24
5:52 in...can u please tell me "what is that which fell upon the supply depot"?? thanks
victordls 1 year ago
@victordls it's a call down "supplies" expansion for the supply depot that you can order from the Orbital command.. it costs you 50 energy and you get an additional 8 supply.. altho i almost never use it... i like to save that energy for "scanner sweep" and "call down mule" ;)
gr4ndhustle 1 year ago
pretty bad zerg. He should have stopped baneling bust and expo'd after the first try, and then maybe keep HD contained him in his base with his second bunch on baneling and lings. Then zerg should have be ahead.
JtoC007 1 year ago
LOL phodacbiet=fuck that bitch xD
Thebsboy11 1 year ago
whats that brick "thing" he placed above the supply depots??
pcbb01 1 year ago
@pcbb01 Doubles the supply to 16 for that depot. It is an ability of the orbital Command.
o0oSolidSnakeo0o 1 year ago
@pcbb01 it's an orbital command spell, doubles the depots supply.
atkm2891 1 year ago
oh my fkn god F5 REFRESH NO LONGER WORKS ON ADVERTISEMENTS NOOOOO 20 secs of my time wasted -.-
davo000009 1 year ago
@davo000009 works on less than 10 min videos.
pkfighter343 1 year ago
just a comment... going 15 or 14 gas and tehn pool is standard for zerg nowadays... you just pull off drones from the gas if you don't need it...
since zerg units are all so gas heavy really an early gas as you call it... isn't that early at all... more like needed if you ask me
not to mention the b-busts were very poorly preformed and with centrifugal hooks (speed upgrade) would've decimated the weak spots without sever losses on the z side
ikkkah 1 year ago
@ikkkah just wanted to post this. 14 pool/gas is a commin opening for zerg. this indicates nothing.
maccat 1 year ago
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Vaelon 1 year ago 3
@maccat & @ikkah
It's interesting that the Zergs are desperately trying to find new fast bust strategies, instead of taking it slow with a stable main force of roaches, hydras & lings.
The key for the Terrans is to use their scouts well and also take good care of the Adaptability that the Terran Race have. Be sure to put the Racks and Factory up front with Rines at the back to push off the early rush, then go Hellions & Sieges, and be sure to put up an early Engineering bay too to prevent..
Vaelon 1 year ago 31
@Vaelon
Prevent Z if he chooses to go mutas. :) then it's simple "AUTOBOTS... ROLL OUT..." head for vikings and start eat up the Overlords ^^ for some easy harass, then split your main force into 3 for a easy split up if the Zerg will try to surround you, lure the Zerg to hunt a few units you have and run back to your tanks... ^_^ Some funny Rat & Cat play hehe... Be sure to be dynamic and adaptable... and remember ;) Dead Overlords = Delays Expands
Kick Ass & Chew Bubblegum!
Cheers
Kris
Vaelon 1 year ago 46
@Vaelon Cat & Mouse :P
DamWoWandDoWplayer 1 year ago
@Vaelon you talk like a master player would be stupid enough to attack 1 unit and run into your tanks you prob play in bronze leag
cirkic 8 months ago
@cirkic
Cheers
Vaelon 8 months ago
@Vaelon
Just because a few Zerg players were inspired by that one dude way back early in the beta to try the baneling bust doesn't mean the ENTIRE POPULATION of Zerg players are desperate cheesers who don't want to try macro.....First off, I only know of 1 desperation-all-in-bust build and second, you can't possibly describe the entire Zerg situation as desperate.
MrSouptits 1 year ago
@MrSouptits
Interesting indeed... Of course the Zerg are really macro heavy.
It wasn't my intention to push every zerg over the line there matey. But the zergs I've met have been really agressive! wich isn't that usual for a zerg these days.
Thanks for the reply tho
I, myself are playing Zerg these days ;)
Cheers
Kris
Vaelon 1 year ago
@Vaelon baneling bust is good for just ending it or getting the other guy off balance so even if you dont win you stoped a lot it does help.
pieeatersguilds 1 year ago
@Vaelon whar are rines
RAmenFSM 1 year ago
@Vaelon
It seems to me that most of the players of any race are searching strategies wich end the game fast and require the least skill as possible.
godsfuneral 1 year ago
@godsfuneral
Mmm, I agree... I on the other hand want a real long and dynamic and sweaty fight. No funny buisness.
Cheers for the reply mate.
//Kris
Vaelon 1 year ago
@Vaelon that doesnt work because any half retarded terran can just use siege tanks to guard their front door, terran is so unfair, and stupidly over powered
shadow3d1 11 months ago
@shadow3d1
What do you mean that doesnt work? There's thousands of work arounds for any strategy, the right cheese on the bread at the right time could make all the difference in a fight. :) If you do think that Terran is an unfair race to play, then I really want you to rethink, because I find Starcraft 2 very balanced at this point.
Cheers
Vaelon 11 months ago
lol i played this game with you i'm Vietnamese and phodacbiet is a kind of food
Slayercom1 1 year ago 2
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scheisskind69 1 year ago
4:02 ... but youre not fighting humans...
pwn576 1 year ago
most good z players will 9pool 1st to harass while teching and building up, this slow terran build would fail instantly. Also you have gone over 5 minutes expecting wave after wave of baneling... a good z would hide a spire only revealing baneling bust u would lose to mutas;/ gg no re
as31 1 year ago 3
@as31
Sorry mate, not if your scanned... the TERRANS will adapt... bunker up. Turtle... for the moment and then turn against you again.
All fired up...
Cheers
Kris
Vaelon 1 year ago
I HATE ENRIQUE IGLESIAS !!!!
bazaar666 1 year ago
Baneling bust will knock you out the first time you see it, but honestly it's so easy to stop if you see it coming and it's basically a guaranteed win for the victim if they stop it.
R0773N 1 year ago
hehe erecting
chiefanaab 1 year ago
Isn't putting a racks, bunker and factory in teh ramp better. ?
rooneyandr9 1 year ago
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OrangeOldfish 1 year ago
Im a bit of a noob but why even put supply depots in front of your choke point? they just die so ez!
iddtelyoubut 1 year ago
@iddtelyoubut they're the only structures that can "make way" for your passing units without actually harming production.
burkemd 1 year ago
not true, they also get quick gas for speedlings
WilltheGamer 1 year ago
I never play sc2 but from my experience from starcraft 1 I can say that autor of this guide miss the meaning of sc playing.
Starcraft is about to rush defending not about this use map setting play. If you will follow this guide U will never good in starcraft in sc1 or sc2 is not important.
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw What on earth are you trying to say...
joecuki 1 year ago
@joecuki
I just wanted to say one simply thing. That If you will follow this guide and this type of "camp" style you will never be good in sc2, cause its not only about what you do in the game its also about the ideology for playing, and some ideology like this will made you slower and slower and slower and one time you will loosing all games.
This type of playing starcraft is not going to make you a good player.
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@joecuki
by the way if you better watch on the replay that man have bunker(he must spent money for this thing and can make another unit instead of bunker) second things he lose building the same he can make another unit and all of that can be stucked in the coming way with the same effect, but remember that bunker and suply depot u never can send to the attack. Thats the problem clever zerg will never attack on that wall and u only waste money on bunker etc...
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw
The bunker can always be salvaged to get back 100% of the building cost.
yko0000 1 year ago
@yko0000
Ok as I said I just play sc1 not sc2 so I dont know about that but anyway it not change my opinion about these guides
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@joecuki
And the last thing what I want to say is, If you will learn how to play against nooobs you can never be good :)
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw seriously, I did not see one sentence in any of your comments that had any discernible meaning or purpose.
TheHippoFish 1 year ago
@TheHippoFish
Ok so i try to explain it from other ways.
In starcraft is something what can be called "final makro". It means final evolution of your army. It can be for exampl 200 limit of unit and 4 expand based on different type of your and oponent race. Final makro is different in terran vs protos, teran vs terran and so on.
The players must hurry to that level of evolution as fast as possible cause it means the win in starcraft.
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@TheHippoFish
How your evolution will be fast is based on your expand. Your expand is based on one thing on count of your army, you must have so much unit for enough defend as well evolution of your oponent is so slow as much unit you have.
You know starcraft is complicated game so I cant explain you everything but...
If you will give money to camp unit, which cant be use in "attack" you often can get in the situation in which you camp to evolve, but in fact your enemy...
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@TheHippoFish
...your enemy will grow faster than you, cause of you waste money on defending things like bunker, suply depots in time u dont need it, on turret what you never use...
So you oponent will grow cause of he will have enough army to defend new expand but u will have peace of the shit and 10 bunkers and 10 another unit which you can alone delete in another part of the game.
Thats the reason why there is some good ways for playing starcraft and this guide you can trustme is realshit
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
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JoshJigsaw 1 year ago
@asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw
What are you talking about this guy is is sending banelings to their death which is costing him alot, also bunkers can be salvaged, and you need supply depots, The Zerg guy went all in and HD defended it to win, what would you suggest just leave the front door open vs this sort of strat?
JoshJigsaw 1 year ago
@JoshJigsaw
Yes u understand me well. I try on 100% try front door let opened even with macro change to have more unit for defend, only if it looks totaly necessary I close it, but based on my experience from sc1 I bet there 1000 other ways for defending this.
And as you say u need suply depot so u never should lose it :).
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw You don't understand the main reason Terran is so good against Zerg: turtling. When you build supply depots you are increasing your supply, a necessity, by placing them at your choke you gain a second use for them. It blocks any ling rushes and enables you to defend against large numbers. A few bunkers are cheap and can be salvaged. If Zerg does get an expo and doesn't get early units it is very effective for a Terran to simply push, with no defense for himself, Zerg dies.
TheHippoFish 1 year ago
@TheHippoFish
I understand that and what u say follow my comments.
I just want to notice that after sc2 will little older game, (now its new and there makro is week) based on my makro experiences from sc1 and how it was evolving through the time of playing sc, maybe u alone give me the truth, that these guide is only lame camping as the almost same tactics as this (at the first look) use the "noobs" in sc1, not the good players. I just want to warn players that these camping ideas is not good
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@TheHippoFish
but I really dont want to someone mean that camping on staracraft is useless, its base way to win :) but camp with what u can later use or just use at the time, otherway u will damage ur makro.
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@TheHippoFish
Anyway as i said i never played sc2 so maybe against this tactics u must make wall. I spoke with my friend who continue in sc2 and he say me that its almost imposible defend this without wall and that u can make wall with another building... suply depot is bad idea as he said. But anyway I trust that later makro wil solve this problem without this strange betoning.
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
@asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw terran HAS to wall against zerg. this is totally different from sc1. the main problem is that marines are super weak in defense/health, scvs have 45 hp, different from the 60 in sc1. plus zerg can get 6 zerglings faster than you can get 3 marines. no ones saying to camp in your own base the whole game but if you don't want to play a camping terran, you can move out when you have the army to but the wall is basically free because you use all buildings that you'll build anywa
drywater 1 year ago
@drywater
Ok maybe u r right and noone time comes macro which will able play against this tactics without wall...
btw I was talking about building what was destroyed I know that u everytime use building what u must to build even ...
my friend told me that u can easy make wall with faktory and rax but u should start with that from start- without suply depot which is so easy to kill...
asdfasdfgfhghjcvbrtw 1 year ago
That bust was late.
bbarrus82 1 year ago
can you do a tutorial on how to stop a photon rush against terran?
ethline 1 year ago
hmmmmm the 30 second advertisement loads perfectly without lagg.. and the video I want to watch takes 20 seconds to load a few seconds
anarchy22x 1 year ago
@anarchy22x well then somebody needs some better internet...
maddog937 1 year ago
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anarchy22x 1 year ago
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maddog937 1 year ago
0:00 "Not enough Minerals xD"
MrLajo1 1 year ago
HOW TO WIN???? SCOUT AND REACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and as usual in hd tutorials opponent is a joke :P 8 min in game as zerg and no expo?? lol . and that second atamt was such a joke:(
Wojofire 1 year ago
@Wojofire he went for a mutalisk transition, witch could explain why he didn t have an expension. not saying it was smart, but he did go for all in strat
iknowbetter 1 year ago
@Wojofire ya but at least his first attack was even sooner in the game than HD's baneling bust video by about 5 seconds. the main thing is the first attack.
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
hmm well nice tutorial lvl, but when i am going to play vs a zerg player, he is much faster than your opponent :S (im sure, that i build my buildings as fast as you build)
BORN2DIE92 1 year ago
well, phodacbiet is vietnamese :))
Larabee119 1 year ago
if he says baneling once more Imma smack him to death
MutsuKazuma 1 year ago
lol ROASTY TOASTY, A+ comment
wishwizard 1 year ago
So I looked at this vid this afternoon and I just started playing Terran in league games today.
3rd game I had a zerg who tried to baneling bust me, I did the double wall off... some buildings were destroyed but I managed to keep em out untill I had enough tank. He then went for mutas but due to my scouting I was able to counter his mutas with turrets, marines and vikings. He had hardly anything left when I reached his base since he only had his main and no expansion.
So I won, thanks to you!<3
NeophyteSC 1 year ago
@NeophyteSC never get vikings against mutas. mutas pwn vikings and then he still has the air advantage. always either get thors or marines
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
@MattNicholson7 yeah I know thors are better but it was faster for me to get some vikings to attack his base fast enough,... didn't want the game to last mcuh longer and he didn't have many mutas by the time I got to his base. Thanks though :D
NeophyteSC 1 year ago
@NeophyteSC what u talkin bout its fun to get at least 10 thors before u kil him
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
What is the point of clicking so much? :\
Naba008 1 year ago
@Naba008 welcome to the world of micro management =)
BORN2DIE92 1 year ago
@BORN2DIE92 But what does it do, lol? I mean, yeah, I set up waypoints, etc.
But what the hell happens when he selects the minerals again and again, for example?
Naba008 1 year ago
1:46 LOL thats what she said! Ha Ha but seriously I love this channel, watch it all the time.
LfAnBoI 1 year ago
HDGamer thank you for this very useful tuorial, although I rarely get matched up versus a zerg race ,atleast I know how to react o a baneling bust strategy!
SCkombatant 1 year ago
If he had about 10 more Zerglings, Zerg player would defeat that IMO.
StrajderVilinkameni 1 year ago
thanks so much HDG, I learned a lot from this
Kapalaran 1 year ago
I don't see the need to do a massive wall. If you know baneling and zergling attack is coming you should have ~4 hellions up by thew time they attack and a few marines. Barracks and two SDs are enough.
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exelicadotnet 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you got distracted from the commentary to see if that drone would take down the SCV
incronaut 1 year ago
imo best way to block bangling bust is just build a CC next to your barracks as a wall.
trentonx 1 year ago
hd where did the Terran rock music go i want it back!!!!
bobfreeze 1 year ago
0:01
rippedstar77 1 year ago
More cute way how to defend is here: youtube.com/watch?v=1IeFOawV86w
(commentary is in Czech, but the video says a lot alone...)
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McEddi3 1 year ago
2 full bunkers 1 suply 1 siege tank holds them off easy, manually click the bunkers to attack banglins.
kazowns 1 year ago
this game is too set up 100% zerg lost on purpose around 3rd baneling bust and after
KillerCheebo 1 year ago
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slasherrank 1 year ago
LOL "Phodacbiet" :D
And i bet HD is Vietnamese
tcbeckham 1 year ago
6 banelings and 8 zerglings at >4 minutes?
that's the weakest baneling bust i've ever seen.
i LOVE the baneling bust and i usually collect 8 banelings and 12 zerglings.
anything less won't get far against a standard terran wall-off.
1schwererziehbar1 1 year ago
nice, I like the fairness too, it makes it so that you not only learn the initial wave of successful tactics but their counters, proliferating skills as opposed to tricks!
noobler9 1 year ago
Can you please replace "Ladies and Gentlemen" to something else. I feel so old...
acidosen 1 year ago 2
Hey HD. Brilliant tutorial.
I'm a protoss player. Zerg muta harass gives me loads of problems. Could you make a tutorial about how to defend against zerg muta harass? Normally while i'm struggling to defend my probes against muta harass, they are sniping all my expansions, sniping random production buildings if I defend my expansion, and making loads of expansions of their own ;(
noobenstein 1 year ago
I just lost 3 games in a row to this...without any idea of how to defend against this! damnn!
smavey 1 year ago
why help terrans?
moiriv415 1 year ago
I personally prefer terrain but can you do a tutorial how to beat protoss w/ a mothership,imortals and carriers ?
IceSlushi 1 year ago
@IceSlushi
If you have reached the stage of the game where your opponents have motherships, immortals, *and* carriers then you made a misstep somewhere in the previous 10 minutes of gameplay.
Phicksur 1 year ago
looks like 19 terran players got baneling busted
blgdinger3 1 year ago
@blgdinger3 More like 19 starcraft 2 players are cheesy zerg players
Winstet420 1 year ago
@Winstet420 not gonna lie man, last night I saw the terran guy walled off REAL early so I made banelings and blew the shit out of his front door. The guy was shocked and actually congratulated me on how well it was done, lol
blgdinger3 1 year ago
@blgdinger3 Lol. I need this man. Ive been had this like 10 times already and lost 9 of em.
Winstet420 1 year ago