Amazing how catholics use circular reasoning. If a Bible scripture insinuates something that helps them, they love it and repeat it endlessly. If one doesn't help their cause of proof, it is not nearly important. To me, it sound like the great liar is behind the whole thing, running it like a freight train running over whom he may.
For years, Monsignor Kevin McAuliffe lived something of a double life. He was widely admired by his flock at St. Elizabeth Ann Seton, which he helped build into one of the largest Roman Catholic parishes in the Las Vegas area. But at the same time, he was stealing money from the church. He stole from the gift shop. He stole from the votive candle collection. He stole from a fund for novenas, or Masses in honor of the dead. Over nearly a decade, he pocketed about $650,000. What a man!!
If any man judges another by the Law, that is the Torah of Moses , the Law of the Jews, then such a man is by Witness of the Curses in the Bible for those who Judge by the Law, which then is what the term in Hebrew "SATAN" means, the one who judges others, according to curses and condemnations in the Law of Moses. Such as one is not a Christian, You have become a Jew , if you use the Law of Moses to Judge other people by, Jesus took us away from Condemnation by the Law of Moses.
The Protestants who build their churches on hatred of others, by bringing others into a judgment according to the Jewish Law, or the Torah, they have condemned not those they have judged, but they have condemned themselves, by bringing anyone into Judgment, by the Law of Moses, as if they were Jews. The Protestants might as well just cut their penis and become Jews, for nothing can save you , by Judgment, you bring on those whom God rather said are entirely Free of the Law, Repent.
@CarmineFragione I was a catholic now I am very anty catholic. I don't have hatred. but the catholic church was detrimental for me. The prist would tell me to say 4 hail marys and 5 another week. At the age of 12 I said to the prist. Am I buying my forgiveness. Is it my repentance or the ammount of prayers that makes the difference? Then as I grew older I learned that in the dark ages the church even used to sell indugencess for money
@medusa210562 It is your repentence proven through the act of the number of prayers. Mostly repentence but the prayers are necessary to connect yourself to god better. If you just repeat the words, that is your own fault. You must find the message in the prayers not just inanely repeat words you do not understand on a deeper level.
@Archangel777Catholic you tray to put it nicely, about the prayers at confession. You can make beautiful religion with words, but it remains, Jesuits priests flagellate themselves, Filipino Catholics, pierce their hands at Easter time, in Italy nuns close themselves in compleate seclution. I am a christian I pray morning and nights. for forgiveness etc etc. but I left the catholic church. they build the cupola of saint peter with the money of indigence and burned john hus
@medusa210562 Really? The entire Church and all of its members (that is what Christ meant by the Church by the way...) did that? Or rather was it a few misguided members of the Catholic Church? I hope you see your error now. You simply CANNOT blame the past mistakes of a few men on an entire religion.
And if you think you can for a second, then I may say that Hitler, a Protestant Christian, models your sect. That is incredibly false obviously. So it is with Catholicism. God bless.
@Archangel777Catholic Hitler was RC...then became an atheist. God's word is above all others....even stupid RC tradition...which is nothing but lies anyway. and who is the father of lies? SATAN! Only what God says is true and man is a lair.
@medusa210562 God didn't create money man did and what does God need money for. Keep the bible in context. Again i say gambling isn't a bad until one becomes addicted to it which then leads to more problems. As a side note i clicked on the web pages that were in the link and it said that the pages couldn't be found.
@TheHusker20 Ok tell me something is gambling ( with poker machine which the catholic church uses) fair? Is it fair? Or is the machine set against those who play? And tell me one more thing, is gambling addictive even to 1 percent of people, ups you have already given me the answer and I am sure it is much more then 1 percent. And tell me one more thing, do you care? Do you care? "whoever hastens to be rich will not go unpunished" Proverbs 28:19-20
The Jews have determined to fill the minds of the Protestants with a Big Lie of the Devil. That the Catholic Church has not the Grace of Christ, because of the Jews placing the Catholics under a Judgment by the Law of Moses. This is corruption against what Jesus taught, to justify the Jews by the Law, which they never kept, and to accuse then the Catholics, to whom God never gave the Law at any time. The Catholics are Free in Grace and no man can withstand Jesus Christ who did this DEED.
I gave my Proof, Jesus is God and very much present here in the world. To attack Catholics is to undermine the Sovereignty of God, Yahweh. Yahweh gave us the Way , to show us Jesus first, and then distribute what God gave to Jesus to appear as and do , then to give all this to us, The Bible is not God, we are the Living, We are the Physical Agency and Body of God as God appeared as Jesus, now the Father who sent Jesus is sending us, The Catholic Church is the Foundation of the Saints
"God dwells among the People" What does this mean ? It means we are all meant by God to be God's fingers and toes, God's arms and feet, God's ability to appear on Earth and bring Salvation to the world, in Suffering, do we serve the Lord, as being then, torn away from being ourselves, but now tied together as if One Body, we enter the Spirit that communicates us into One Temple of Yahweh. We are God, as far as Jesus is coming into our Lives and working in the world through us,
It is like asking me, who is America, Is America the People, United in Spirit by their Constitution, or is America the Government ? Who is the Christ, Who is the Church, and what is the Christ Church about ? It is the Assembly of Saints Building Up the very Body of Christ now present with Power of God , Here on Earth !!! We Worship the Church because the Church is actually GOD. The People are the Church, if they have the Holy Spirit and are in Communion as the Body of Christ.
With the Jews, they equate the Torah as God, and they take Torah and become a "collective divinity of Rabbis" who speak on Earth as equal to God,and tell Jews what they can or cannot believe. The Catholic Church is the body of Jesus Christ, physically yet appearing here on Earth. Jesus has given Communion, parting out his physical being, to manifest Christ in Many People, so the effect is, The Church is God on Earth, not the Jews, in their "collective divinity" . Jesus & Church= One
Catholics rightly worship the Church , which is the only evidence of God Emanuel, God here, rightly appearing as flesh and blood people, We are the Christ, the Church the body of who once appeared on Earth as Jesus, in Him, but the Risen Christ is mysteriously glorified and expanded, to include my flesh body and yours, if you accept Jesus is God, Then the whole Church on Earth, not the Bible, is the Reality of God Emanuel. God is on Earth Visibly by the Church, Jesus' Arms and Legs.
What the Jews wanted, to Judaize the Christians, is to deny Christ is Risen and create serious doubt that God ever appeared as Jesus and that Jesus is Emanuel God, that is , Jesus is day by day, by day by day right here with us, and able to reveal Himself to all the Church, and thus able to guide the Church, including the Catholic Church. The Jews created doubt by returning us to the Law and creating doctrines forever evolving away from the very Personable Appearing of God as Christ.
How else can I say it, the very embodiment of the Messiah , what is Messiah , was in the appointed time of God's visitation, the one man Jesus, But rising from the Dead, Jesus then gave authority to all the Church Members to be together building up, one by one, by one by one, to be the Unified Body of Christ. God is now dwelling in Many Persons, not the One Person that Jesus appeared as, but what Jesus is, has been Given Out to all Believers, and the Church is God, not the Bible.
The Church is the only body of Jesus Christ now on Earth, Jesus is the Capstone, If you claim Jesus is unable to guide the Church by the Presence of the Holy Spirit and being Present in the Eucharist, then you simply do not believe in Jesus at all, but only maybe you believe the Bible is a Magical Book that can find you your treasure in Heaven. But the Bible is only the Book, and cannot save you at all, no matter how good is your Doctrine justified by what you read in the Bible, Jesus Saves.
When Jesus, our God, was here in the manner of appearing as a man, the man Jesus, He was worshiped , but that does not mean, Jesus is VAIN ! Jesus instead came to worship us, Jesus is God, who came to die for us, that ultimate meaning of worshiping, is Jesus died for us, so Jesus worshiped Mary, Joseph, Peter, Paul, Thomas, etc. Jesus is God who came to Worship Us, by the Ultimate Act of Dying on the Cross, as a PROOF He Loves US !!! We are all One in God who is One, SAINTS
When Jesus was as a man on Earth, and He healed people, they bowed down to the man Jesus appearing before them and WORSHIPED Him !! What does this mean ? IN the Torah Bible the only word we have that equals what the Torah Bible says is "worship" is "Love" and the act of "Giving" That is the Hebrew meaning of worship: To Give and to Love, without prejudice, without being a respecter of persons. So Mary, Joseph and the Saints all are Equally Loved , because Jesus Commanded this
The purpose of the Bible, is not to create doctrines of Salvation , but testify as One Witness of Three , the written Torah was a witness, the Holy Spirit was a second witness, and the Messiah was the third witness. When all this came to be, the Bible is no more to be used to create intellectual plans of being saved. It all points to the Messiah ,Jesus, who is God, and now the Law is no more and Jesus is Here, His BODY has become all the Members of the Church , including the Pope
The purpose of the Bible, is not to create doctrines of Salvation , but testify as One Witness of Three , the written Torah was a witness, the Holy Spirit was a second witness, and the Messiah was the third witness. When all this came to be, the Bible is no more to be used to create intellectual plans of being saved. It all points to the Messiah ,Jesus, who is God, and now the Law is no more and Jesus is Here, His BODY has become all the Members of the Church , including the Pope
The purpose of the Bible, is not to create doctrines of Salvation , but testify as One Witness of Three , the written Torah was a witness, the Holy Spirit was a second witness, and the Messiah was the third witness. When all this came to be, the Bible is no more to be used to create intellectual plans of being saved. It all points to the Messiah ,Jesus, who is God, and now the Law is no more and Jesus is Here, His BODY has become all the Members of the Church , including the Pope
Jesus said," You search the scriptures because you think that in them you shall find Salvation, but it is they ( Plural) that testify of Me" And so the message is, when the Disciples realized that the Bible and the Temple and the Religion of the Jews was "Fulfilled" it meant God finally came Himself in the flesh to be on Earth with us. Now, either Jesus is God and Emanuel God, that is with us, to direct the Church POWERFULLY, or you are just believing in a Book called the Bible.
Jesus said," You search the scriptures because you think that in them you shall find Salvation, but it is they ( Plural) that testify of Me" And so the message is, when the Disciples realized that the Bible and the Temple and the Religion of the Jews was "Fulfilled" it meant God finally came Himself in the flesh to be on Earth with us. Now, either Jesus is God and Emanuel God, that is with us, to direct the Church POWERFULLY, or you are just believing in a Book called the Bible.
Jesus said," You search the scriptures because you think that in them you shall find Salvation, but it is they ( Plural) that testify of Me" And so the message is, when the Disciples realized that the Bible and the Temple and the Religion of the Jews was "Fulfilled" it meant God finally came Himself in the flesh to be on Earth with us. Now, either Jesus is God and Emanuel God, that is with us, to direct the Church POWERFULLY, or you are just believing in a Book called the Bible.
Jesus said," You search the scriptures because you think that in them you shall find Salvation, but it is they ( Plural) that testify of Me" And so the message is, when the Disciples realized that the Bible and the Temple and the Religion of the Jews was "Fulfilled" it meant God finally came Himself in the flesh to be on Earth with us. Now, either Jesus is God and Emanuel God, that is with us, to direct the Church POWERFULLY, or you are just believing in a Book called the Bible.
If the Mystery of God is not found in the Bible to be given to any man, then what is the Bible for ? It is the Guide for the Church, which amounts to One Testimony, One Witness, in the Trinity of Three Witnesses to Prove what is Truth is the Truth. The Bible says what is says, and is insufficient to save anyone at all. that is why the Jews failed. Because God appeared as Jesus, then the Bible becomes "Fulfilled" or powered to be One Witness, the Other Witnesses are Church & Holy Spirit.
@CarmineFragione I was a catholic. I remember I used to play the clarinet in the south of Itlay. behind prosessions. Posessions for saints. The ladies used to be on their knees untill thery were bleeding. They waited all year to celebrate that particular saint. My Grandmother used to pray to saints. that is satanic. It is not biblical. Read acts 10:26
@medusa210562 Catholics are not to bow to statues or drag their knees until they bleed. But, if a Catholic wishes to do this, then who are you to tell them not to ? Part of the reason people today are so weak and pathetic as lost and afraid of life , is they do not know how to SUFFER !!! The Body of Christ needs to know how to suffer and then the People of Christ shall be strong again and Victorious in the world. Today the kids are ashamedly like weak women, they have failed. Repent
@CarmineFragione Suffer. I suffered when I decided to get buptized as an adult I was persecuted by all my Catholic relatives. this suffering you are talking about is human invention. not bibical. Jesus says to the phareesees "if you hade understood what it meand I want obedience not sacrifice" Show me from the bible self inflicted pain. You catholics are so far from the trueth you are totaly blind. What catholics to in these prosessions is Idolatry.
@medusa210562 So, what do you want, a medal, for you suffered a little ??? You never suffered at all, because the way you describe what you suffered from your relatives, is like a little baby complaining that his little sister took his toy away and you are wailing away. You need to really suffer, and God willing, you will truly suffer and then you will repent of all your foolishness. You cannot serve God, until you know how to really suffer for your faith, You become like Christ.
@medusa210562 If Jesus wishes to raise money for the Church by playing Bingo with the old ladies, who really have a good time doing this, then who are you to use this against the Catholics ? I again, ask , who are you, by what Authority do you claim you are the Judge, standing in God's place to criticize the Catholics ? Why don't you go criticize the Jews who are all going to Hell, because they falsely claim they keep the Law and yet have denied the Messiah. Worse than gambling ?
@CarmineFragione It is a sin to gamble. That is what they were doing with the garnments of Jesus. God gives you money and that we walk into temptation. Wanting to make quick money.
@medusa210562 "Many lives are destroyed " See, you are a liar and going straight to hell. By Christ we can do all things, the Law is ended, we enter a Liberty , by with the Lord Jesus, we can do all things, especially take risks . Building a home in Florida is as gambling against the Hurricanes that blow the house away, But anyway ,people gamble and build houses prone to floods and hurricanes and many die because of it. Worse than gambling ? You are going straight into the fire.
@CarmineFragione I suffering was not selinflicted. I love my relatives. Don't redicule. I was sincere. the catholic church doesn't like sincere. She likes blindly submissive. In ather words Persecution.
@CarmineFragione Gambling is wrong. the catholic chruch as only as moral as humanists. so gambling is ok. Not if you are a christian. If you are a christian you give monery. You don't gamble. One wrong don't make one right.
@medusa210562 Jews in ancient times always gambled, using "Lots" the land of Israel was divided up by casting lots in the Book of Joshua , chapter 18., So they gambled on which tribe was going to get what land over the Jordan. So, again, you are really ignorant of the Bible, and yet ready to cast Judgment, where you have no Office or Title to do so, You must repent, because as long as you Judge by the Law, you cannot be a Christian, You are not a Christian, if you Judge by the Law.
@CarmineFragione What has casting lots to do with gambling you livelihood. What God gives you, What God has provided for you. Gambling is walking into temptation. "Do not lead us into temptation" Gambling is a sin.
@medusa210562 gambling in and of itself isn't wrong. It becomes wrong when people abuse it hence addictions begin. If one gambles responsibly and appropriately then i don't see it being a sin
@TheHusker20 gambling in and of itself isn't wrong at a humanist level. As a biblical level gambling the money God gives you is always wrong. would you like a bible lesson on it?
@CarmineFragione do you know the catholic church forbides married couple to be intimate unless they have to concive. that is a sin.this is a sin. this is a sin. Jesus sayd to the phareesees you put burdens on people.
@medusa210562 Again, what Jesus said to the Pharisees, Jesus never once said to the Disciples, You make false equivocations, because you are truly ignorant of the Bible and that is enough to make you dangerous . Jesus judged the Jews as lost, if they do not accept Him as Messiah. You equivocate gambling money as a crime and say the Jews then are okay with God, even though the Lord spoke it plainly to the Jews, that their Judgment was much worse than the Judgment for the Nations.
@medusa210562 What Jesus said to the Pharisees, is not at all meant for you, a Christian, What Jesus advised to the Jews, was equal to DAMNATION of the Jews, for they professed to Obey the Law and claimed to also OWN the TORAH , and thus they were as Sorcerer's Apprentices. They were condemned by Jesus, and the Jews would not come to Jesus to be saved, and so either you go to the Bible or, you go to Jesus Christ believing He is God and Present right here, right now, you cannot fake this
@CarmineFragione Jesus wants obbedience not sacrifice. Not sefinflicted that is for sure. We all take up our cross against sin, We don't create more sins by self flaggillation as the Jesuits do. As nuns do who close themselves in seclution. Or filippino catholics who pierce their hands at easter.
@medusa210562 I suffering was not selinflicted. I love my relatives. Don't redicule. I was sincere. the catholic church doesn't like sincere. She likes blindly submissive. In ather words Persecution.
@medusa210562 If you are truly a Christian, you have given over your body to Jesus that Jesus has permission to live in your flesh, to have God actually appearing on Earth through the corporal context of your physical life. If you do not love the Catholics and judge the Catholic Church , you are taking Partisan Judgment to your condemnation , because Jesus justified the Catholic Church , yet condemned the Jews without any pardon at all. Catholics are all under Grace in Christ, Repent
@medusa210562 I really do not know what you are talking about, Are you talking about the Rhythm Method of Birth Control, where the Church teaches not to have sex at certain times and that effects the birth rate ? Is that what you are talking about ? But are you talking about homosexuals who claim to be "Married" ??? Is that what you are talking about, what in the world are you talking about ?
@CarmineFragione Look I don't know if they have changed. But I know they could not have sex unless they were to have children. I know personally a couple of protestants ex catholics who lived in Rome. They were very strong procticing catholics and they tald me of their stragle to this regard and their conversations with the local prist.
If not for Jesus, the Bible is just a moldy old book of ancient wisdom and history of one nation called Israel. And that is all that the Bible is, a Book. the Bible does not justify Jesus Christ, it is the other way , whatever is written in the Bible, be is metaphorical or story or mystery , it all means absolutely nothing until God did come in the flesh and appear, Jesus is God, Jesus makes the Bible mean anything at all. The Bible cannot save you ,it is not a book of Magical Chants.
@CarmineFragione In the book of revelation even an angel says to John not to bow to him because he (the angel was not to be worshipped) T;hat is why the catholic church took away the 2nd comandament.
@medusa210562 We do not worship angels, We Worship the Church, You just don't get it do you ??? Jesus rose from the dead and the Glorified Christ appeared to the Disciples, even walking through the walls, partly of this world and partly of another world, so is the Mystery of Christ. BUT, we now are the only Body of Christ, physically appearing, on Earth, the same as the Father sent Jesus, now Jesus sent us as the Body of the Lord Jesus, WE ARE THE FLESH BODY OF JESUS ON EARTH
the False Religions, wish you to make gestures of being religious and long prayers on your knees to God, out there in the skies somewhere, That is not the Catholic Faith at all. When we Love one another, as the Church and Give to one another, as the Church ,we are then claiming to be the actual physical body of Jesus Christ on Earth, and the Spirit of Christ is God's Spirit, able to appear directly to the Saints, to Guide the Church. Jesus is He who makes the Bible important, He is God
The Correct Way of Jesus Christ is to Love and Give to one another, just as Jesus Christ gave to each and every one of us. We do not yet understand. Jesus loved us and gave to us ,as if we were God and He was the Servant. God is not Vain, Jesus is not Vain. If we Love One Another, that is the True Biblical Worship of God, in Loving one another , we are actively worshiping God, - not then to make long prayers and look religious, that sort of worship is a FRAUD, We are One Church
Now only the English made the distinctions between "Worship" and "Honor" not the Bible and not the Catholic Church. The Commandment to Love God, the English say "worship" and when it comes to your parents , the English say "Honor" They used to greet the King's Magistrate with "Your Worship" beckoning the King's title, and the English used to greet a Judge as "Your Honor" But the Bible does not make these distinctions with respect to Worship of God, Worship is Love and Giving
When Catholics venerate Mary and Joseph and Peter and James and Paul, etc. They are realizing a Mystery of God, that all Saved in the Church of Christ in Heaven are now all with a perfect eternal Equity, all equal to God , and there is no hierarchy of worshiping God that Jesus ever taught us. Jesus in fact taught us to love one another as He, Jesus loves us, Does Jesus love Himself more than you, or Mary or any Christian ? No, Jesus is teaching a Higher Law of Truth , We are all One
So the errors of false doctrine, teaches people the false impression that Jesus is vainly asking every one to worship Him, without realizing that He in turn, has given all of the Godhead to the Church, that all Faithful should have an Equity in Christ equal to Christ in Glory, for all Eternity. The book of Revelation reveals this, saying those who Christ Elects as the Church Faithful, shall also sit on the Throne of God with Jesus, as if they all now are the same Truth of God that God is One
So the literal Body of Christ is now given to the whole Church. This is the Holy Communion, meant so to be in the Eucharist and in the giving of the Holy Spirit. This is not philosophical. This is LITERAL !!! Jesus is God now coming through the Church Faithful, in Body and in Spirit, to Forgive Sins or Retain the sins of any, as the Church decides. Our Worship of God is to the Church , because Jesus Christ is the Church ,the Capstone and His Body now appears as many physical bodies.
How can a simple Truth be so hidden ? The Bible fuels millions of private interpretations- all must be false, because the only qualified Reader of the Bible is Jesus Christ. Christ rose from the dead, giving the Disciples, whom He chose, Absolute Equity to the very Person of Christ, as Christ walked the Earth bearing up the flesh of humanity. John 20:21-23 spells it out. Christ appears to the Disciples and says " As the Father sent me, now I send you" We became the Body of Christ on Earth
why is it necessary now for us to realize the Word of God is a Person , not a Book ? Because the Witness of the Written Text of the Bible, Jesus Christ dismissed from you, to say many search the Scripture, for in them they think they have Eternal Life, but it is they who testify of me." So, at this point, Either Jesus is God and God is With Us, Emanuel God or you are all blowing smoke, smoke and mirrors, to attempt to find salvation out of the Bible, when it told you to go to Jesus
If Salvation came by the Bible, the Jews would have succeeded long ago to overthrow God and install their Collective Divinity as to rule over the Earth. But the Bible is not Literally God, or God's Word, but the Witness of God's Word, Once God became flesh, the Word became flesh , Jesus did not return to being a Book or a Bible, Either you accept that Jesus is God and ever present with us now, or you simply are faking your Faith and do not believe Jesus is God and only believe in a Book.
John 20, verses 21-23 the Risen Christ, now glorified in the Father, appears physically as FACT to the Disciples and gives them literal Authority to forgive sins or retain the sins of any, and that Authority does not come by the Scripture, but the Authority of the Holy Ghost, proves Jesus did rise from the dead and is still ever present in the Presence,in the Eucharist and in the Holy Spirit, then the Bible belongs to they whom Jesus has SENT ! Jesus did not send the Bible, He sent Disciples.
Catholic Faith is Truth , but Catholics are not perfect and the Catholic Religion does not work out the way it should have, because of the flesh nature of human beings. But, Catholic Faith is well reasoned from FACT, not from the Bible as a philosophical discourse of literal proofs, but the fact that Jesus rose from the dead to prove that Jesus is God, that matters only. Then Jesus sent the Disciples, not the Bible, but the Disciples with literal authority of the physical body of Jesus
The Bible does not prove Jesus is God, Jesus came in the flesh to prove to the people as historical fact of the matter,that He, Jesus Christ, is literally ,and unequivocally God Almighty Emanuel Yahweh God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace,The King and the Prince, as Ezekiel speaks of David in both titles, Jesus is all God, Without Jesus the Bible is totally worthless for salvation , No Salvation comes out of the Bible, there is no Magic there in, Jesus makes the Bible matter,
The Unity of Catholic Salvation In Christ is that all Saved in Glory are actually and forever then equal to God in Jesus, That in the Heaven that Jesus prepared for Catholic Faith , there is no higher or lower valued person of God, All Saved are One, Equal to each other, Inheriting all Glory that is Given of God in Jesus goes as the Inherited Glory to all Christians, So Mary and Jesus and Joseph, in Heaven, is all the same equal as is God is One. God is One, means All are in God, equally.
Catholic’s love to quote the holy fathers, that one of them in time become an infallible pope. For me the apostles were indorsed by Christ, but we must not forget that Catholics themselves have condemned many popes as anti popes, and traditional Catholics even to day have problems, (change in there mass) so how do we come to the truth, me personally I do not know if all the fathers in the early church were in Christ, but I know that the apostles were , because of the scriptures,
How could Luther say "alone" with respect to how to be saved , when God Himself came by Way of the Trinity as a Three fold Testimony of Witness to the Truth. Deuteronomy 19:15 demands proof of two or three witnesses. So the Bible is only One Witness in the world, The Holy Spirit is a Second Witness in the world, Jesus Christ, who now has given His Material Body to Many to be the Church Universal. that is a Third Witness, that makes the Trinity prove that God is not "alone" in Salvation.
What is Truth , the Bible such that it proves Jesus is Messiah, or is it the other way around, that who that makes the Bible itself Holy and True, is none other than Jesus Christ, that He is God, If Christ is not Messiah , if Jesus is not God, then the Bible is materially worthless to us, it has no power in itself to save anyone. So the Bible does not prove Christ, but Christ is He who proves the Bible as Truth. Jesus Christ is He who makes the Bible stand as the Truth by His own Will.
The Church began without the Bible, the actual presence of human beings, so commissioned by the Risen Christ in John 20:21-23 shows Authority, by they whom Christ has "Sent" in the same Power as Jesus said "The Father sent me" So the Bible is not sent, but Christ is sent and Christ Risen to give the Holy Spirit to the Disciples, so that they materially, as corporal flesh and blood human beings, are then "Sent" to forgive sins or retain any sins. This proves Protestantism is false.
What makes the Bible to be Holy, is the proof of Jesus Christ. Without Jesus Christ, the Bible is book of ancient stories and wisdom but not any source of salvation, To take away the personal power of Christ to appear in the Holy Spirit and as the Material Body of the Church as Saints, is Satanic, in that consolation only exists in the Bible, which is only a book, and has no magical powers. Only if Christ be True, is the Bible true, and Jesus gave authority to the Church as His Body.
In the British Tradition, one must pray to the Magistrate, as "Your Worship" and to the Judge, you give to pray to " Your Honor" and "praying" was equal to making a serious Inquiry. So, when they took to attacking the Catholics, over Mary , they imposed this "divination" of worship or honor, and lesser degrees. Which does not exist in the Hebrew Bible, and does not exist in the Catholic Church. When you love your enemy, that is equal to worshiping God in the Highest sense.
There is no hierarchy of loving God, the Protestants were confused by the Law, that one give the most love to Jesus, the next level to parents the lesser to neighbor and the least to your enemy. So then they talk about Mary. But they are all wrong to begin with. There is no such hierarchy of how much love to give to each, Jesus said we are to love one another as Jesus loves us, and so Mary gets as much love as any other part of the Church , We are One in Christ, there is only One Love
@CarmineFragione Protestants do not teach a "hierarchy of love".
We are ALL, as catholic, protestant, or otherwise, to love, serve and honour God 1st in our lives. Mat 6:33 "Seek 1st His kingdom and His righteousness...", but not at the expense of others.
2nd would be our spouse, children, families, friends, etc. This isn't theological as much as common-sense reality.
Putting anyone before God is wrong.
If I serve others and yet neglect my wife and children, this would be wrong as well.
@CarmineFragione you are right about equal love. I love mary as much as she would love me, I don't bow to mary and I don't expect mary to bow to me. In a perfect world there would be no bowing at all. expect to God. We don't live in a perfect world. But we cannot get it wrong in our religion.
@medusa210562 You miss the fact that Jesus Christ takes the Church into Heaven as then being In Christ, not philosophically in Christ, but literally, the Saved Church in Heaven, including Mary, is then become One in Christ as Christ is One in the Father, that upon the Throne of Glory, all Christians in Paradise with Jesus are then IDENTIFIED as equal to God, all are in Christ are then equal to Christ, and Christ does not have a Hierarchy of Worship of God in Heaven , all are Equal.
@CarmineFragione I now what you are saying is partially true Jesus will take all the saints to heaven at His resurrection Tassalonians 4.And the saints will judge together with God Revelation. But 1) the saints will never be complitely equal. God will always be God.2)This church of saints is not the Catholic church. But is made up of people of all christian denominatins including catholics. Only God knowes the heart of people.
@CarmineFragione This Hierarchy we are talking about is here on hearth. I am not talking about heaven. For example why should people kiss the popes hand. I have never seen the pope kiss other peoplels hand. Acts 10: 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
@medusa210562 Moses used to bow down to Jethro, his own father inlaw. He would bow down and kiss his wife's father Jethro, the way you kiss the Pope, Pope means "father" and the Word of God is not a Book, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and remains with us completely even until the end of the age. What you do not seem to get is Jesus does not need any critics to run the Church, Jesus is God, if the Church does poorly, Jesus is involved personally and resolves things.
@CarmineFragione The pope can kiss my hand He is not my father Jesus runs the churh and he gave us the written word that we might not have to trust another man. I don't trust popes. You show me why I should.
In the false claims of some Protestants, that Idols cannot be in the Church , we need to examine the Law. The Jews cannot make Idols to bow down to. but Yahweh , determined the Gentiles are the Builders of the House of God, not the Jews, to wit the sons of Hiram built the Temple of Solomon, not any Jews, And in the Temple are Statues of Angels and Saints, exactly as seen in the Catholic Cathedrals, which now is the Law, the Gentiles are free to have all this Art and can freely worship God
It is very clear from the teachings of Saint Paul, if you want to be a Jew, then you need circumcision and obedience to the Law of Moses, but not the Oral Tradition of the Elders, whom Paul says is in Rebellion against the Temple and Sacrifice. So, if you choose to be Christian ,you are accepting the final High Priest ,as in the Eternal Order of Melchizedek to be Jesus, who speaks anew, and abrogates all Jewish Law, into a Liberty designed to be easy for the Gentiles to accept and abide in.
The Catholic Priesthood is a Grace, a Liberty given , not taken, Jesus Christ is the Levite born of Mary, a daughter of the Levite Priests of Yahweh , who is then the Son of God, a Title of Messiah given to someone like Moses ,a Levite. so Jesus as High Priest, is sending the Catholic Priests as in the place of Jesus Himself, to serve Catholics, not Jews. So it is a Grace, that Jesus said He would honor it in John 20:21-23 by the "Breathe" of the Law Giver, to those in this Church.
The Messiah , which Jews think is a military or world leader for peace, etc, which is unlikely , the real Messiah is the High Priest, who gave over his own body to be indwelt by the Shekinah , the Holy Spirit, that now, the man is not a man , the man has died, but God has raised up the flesh and now God Almighty is appearing in the same flesh that once was the High Priest, and now God speaks the Law anew, Unraveling the Torah by His Interpretation, not the Jews in their Oral Tradition.
The Messiah takes over the role of Moses as Law Giver, by finishing what Moses began in the Written Law of Moses, and having qualified as Messiah , the Messiah then becomes the New Law Giver. Such that as Moses was a Levite Messiah , and the sons of Aaron , were Levites, then the Messiah, as we claim it is Jesus , is a Levite Priest of the House of David, who finished what Moses proscribed and begins a New Order of the Law, Abrogating all Law over both Jews and Christians, as One House.
When one says " Saved by Faith alone" that does not mean Faith is itself a single gesture or idea or a piece of information used to accomplish a deed. Faith is like a sandwich, There is the Bread, but there is the stuff inside, which is meat and spices , etc. that must agree to the taste as a union of several important things that together become as one. Faith is not simply believing, Faith is ruled by the Scripture, by the Fellowship of one's peers, and by the Holy Spirit.
When men read and study the Bible, the information or knowledge of Good and Evil revealed, cannot save anyone at all. There is a fellowship of three witnesses. So the Bible must be with the Congregation and then find an agreement with the Holy Spirit, and then that resolves interpretation, this what God accepts. There is the Bible, there is the People, there is the Holy Spirit, which in the Unity , a Trinity resolution of Christ appearing on Earth in His Reign, as the Church. 3=1
@CarmineFragione Where does this "Bible, the people, the Holy Spirit, which is the unity" come from? I have never read of such a thing in the Bible. This fellowship of three witnesses you mention, is this a reference to "Where two or more are gathered, there I am also" spoken by Jesus?
The New Testament is clear on fellowshipping with other beleivers, testing ALL things in light of scripture and living a "sactified" life. As a protestant, I do all of these things.
@Infidelrf Deuteronomy 19:15 " A Matter is established by the Testimony of two or three witnesses. " And so the Trinity is about the Meeting of the Testimony, where the Priest went into the Temple, with the Blood and the Word, and the Skekinah Glory would appear and mingle with the Priest, as Father and Son , in the body of the High Priest. It all means, that knowledge of the Bible, does not work alone to summon a meeting with God, and that it follows that a Proof is by two or Three.
@Infidelrf You are totally wrong, Deuteronomy specifies by Moses that only sons of Aaron be Priest and be called upon to be appointed as Judges over matters of the Law. You are the one who refuses to read the Torah by it's own language, Now, if you go to Ezekiel, the Law is clearly reiterated to be confined only to the Priests of Aaron , that can be Judges as in Courts of the Law. The Catholic Church is at Liberty , because they are Gentiles, and God only winks the eye !
@Infidelrf In Ezekiel chapter 44 ,verse 24 it says : " In any dispute, the Priests are to serve as Judges and decide it according to my Ordinances." This matches what Moses said in Deuteronomy 17:9 " Go to the Priests, who are Levites and to the Judge who is in Office ( High Priest) " So , it is very clear that Moses told the Jews they cannot Judge the Law themselves, but only by the High Priest, as Moses was Levite, that the Law belongs to Shiloh, or to the Messiah.
@Infidelrf Your assumptions that the Law of Moses incurs the wrath of the times by "cultural differences" or what audience or what context, if totally FALSE !!! Either the Law of Moses applies, or it does not, it is not a living document, not "evolving" but given to the Messiah , an Anointed who finishes the purpose of the Law, to then by that ONE, Proscribe the New Law, by taking over Moses' place,as Moses stood in God's Place to give the Law, the Messiah takes over that Law.
@Infidelrf Because the Law requires a Proof of God, that things are put together as an Assembly, such as the Church with the Bible and the Spirit, is a Three Witness or a Trinitarian Proof of God as appearing there in the midst. So Martin Luther said salvation could be assured by "Faith ALONE" adding that word alone to the Roman's verse, and so defiled the concept of proving God is present, by two or three witnesses. So the Church , Bible and Spirit are three required to Summon God.
@Simple2easy Yes it is the word of God. But when was it put together? The fact there was not a complete Bible when Jesus rose to heaven. That means God intrusted a Church to put the books of the Bible together. If God would give such authority to put together God's word for men. Then why wouldn't he grant authority to His Church to guide humanity to heaven? Another think to, the doctrine Bible alone is found nowhere in scripture. Making this a doctrine of men, not of God.
@Simple2easy The fact is the Jesus left us with a Church and later the new testament was completed under the guidance of the Church. Where in the Bible does it say Jesus left us a Bible?
I wonder why all the clips on you tube, brought to us by the protestants, have the protestant view only! What are they scared of? Put both sides and let us see, for ourselves, who gives the better answers and let us go from there. To call a video a debate and then edit out the Catholic answer is cowardly and not a debate. I love hearing these non-Catholic "ministers" talk so much about what Catholics believe by picking and choosing what they want and not the whole truth, God help them!
True! The thing is.. NO PART of protestantism is even "THE CHURCH" !! They "think" they are, yet, these people have no clue that the entite NT was written by BISHOPS of the Church! All of the apostles & Paul were divinely ordained by God. They went out & ordained others. Linus of 2Tim4:21 was Peter's 1st successor. Clement of Phil 4:3 was Peter's 3rd successor. Benedikt today is the 265th successor to Peter. 1Tim3, 5:17; Titus1:7, 2:15; Heb13:17; 1Pt5:1-5; Jn15:16; Mt18:17-18
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins,
This is a part from the Apostles' Creed I read, I guess they must of misspelled Protestant using the letters C a t h o l i c... To bad Luther dude wasn't around in then he could have made the change himself..lol!
@torvasal1 Also if the Catholic Church is so wrong and of the devil then why do you use the Bible that was formed by them? Wouldn't that make your church of the devil as well?
@neocon2009 Thats a good point! My Girl friend is non denom what ever you want to call it and when ever I ask her if you this at your Church or that, she tells me no that a Catholic thing. So one day I asked her, do you go by the bible.. She said of course! I asked why, isn't that a Catholic thing?... Like most responses from do what-cha want religions, I get no answer or lets steer around the topic..lol!
@torvasal1 Sir who are you to say who has God in his heart and who does not? If you knew your history you would see how much of a fool you truly are. The Catholic church decided what books were to be placed in the Bible and it was men like Luther that decided to break away and incorporate their views into Christianity teaching things the Bible does not teach. Look up the heresy of Luther and others who left the Catholic Church to form their own.
i Recommend listening to sermoms by david wilkerson and carter conlon, so anointed with Gods Holy Spirit , they focus you to Jesus Christ :) especially during these last days filled with confusion and spiritual deadness, Jesus is calling onto his people, and you will know his voice, we are one with him and he is one with God, and we are one with them :) praise be to God! I cant help but rejoice in Jesus Christs victory and reign :)
I'm sure all I would get from them is a spirit of contention, division etc. If I asked them about Catholicism. Anyway don't bother responding further because you've made it clear the dedication you have to the lies you've learned. So please don't bother responding since it is obvious it doesn't matter to you what is said. Which simply makes me scratch my head as to why you came here commenting in the first place.
Just to add, when Jesus Christ comes for his people the RCC wont even know who he is...hes going to reveal all their false traditions, and have mercy on the ones that were really decieved, like priests and deacons, and of course the people that they have instilled fear into them if they try to leave the religion, or if they miss mass, its a deadly sin, i learned that in order to get my confirmation, but the vatican and higher ups , they know the evil they are doing
@Belovedtita25 --When Christ comes I hope he doesn't ask you why you chose to leave the true light only to stumble around in the darkness rather than continue on ward into the light. Whoever, poisoned you to the truth knew the evil they where doing they turned you into a lost sheep. w w w . e w t n . org
@MrOphachew I know my lord and he knows me:) his Holy Spirit dwells in me and i cannot deny that, my love for him is everlasting and ive died to myself and live for him now, for gods will . Brother or sister? In christ , i refuse to argue with you, that is what flesh does, my apologies, i study the word and my teacher is the Holy spirit , but thank you.. I might be stubborn in your eyes but im firm in my love for my savior , i am at peace .
@Belovedtita25 --I am saddened and I'm sure Christ is also to hear you say that. Please do not bother responding any further. It is obvious that it does not matter to you what anyone says. As far as you are concerned the RCC has had it wrong since the beginning and for the last 2000 years until you came along. The Bible warns us repeatedly about false teachers with false teachings. I will offer a prayer for you and your ilk that like to cause contentions and divisions. And try to stir up doubt.
The "assembly" you belong to is not even "THE CHURCH" of the Bible, though. Jesus began ONE Church, not 50K "assemblies" who "think" they are "the Church". Fundamentalist do not know any better. You do not know the Bible as well as you think you do. You do not know that the EPISTLES were written BEFORE the written gospels were written. How did the apostles & Paul "preach the gospel" with NO "written" gospel? --> THEY WERENT WRITTEN YET! (Gal1:11-12; 2Cor3:3)
I stand by what i witnessed in the catholic church, i have a life in Jesus Christ.. and wont spend it on youtube debating;) in person you would never get away with such lies and exaggerated claims , catholics do admit to the paganism and the idolatry, thats why i cant take you tube seriously anymore, in person, yes.. go out and help others in need, go out and prove your love for others! May God bless you all :)
@Belovedtita25 Likewise, the only things that Catholics admit to is the truth. There is absolutely nothing pagan in Catholicism. I haven't a clue what you are talking about there other than something like the Christmas tree which was baptized into Christianity just as people are. May you realize your errors soon and come back into the true and holy light. read anything by GK Chesterton, Scott Hahn, Karl Keating.
@MrOphachew check out walter veiths lectures... it is nothing but paganism in the disguise of christianity, you can thank Constantine for that and Mithra/baal just look at your cathedrals symbolism...
@zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz --No Constantine means no Christianity today. He brought it up out of the catacombs and into the light of day. All Cathedrals are full of nothing but Holy Christian Symbolism that only lead everyone back to Christ.
@zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz --What obelisk? What law? You are going to have to be more specific in the clip you cite like who posted it? etc. I recommend reading anything by Karl Keating & Scott Hahn, CS Lewis and GK Chesterton, Thomas Merton are also good.
is truly propitiatory."Jesus goes on to say that "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life" (John 6:63-64). So, if "the flesh is of no avail," why would we have to eat Jesus' flesh in order to have eternal life? It does not make sense, until Jesus tells us that the words He speaks are "spirit." Jesus is saying that this is not a literal teaching, but a spiritual one
@Belovedtita25 --Read John 6:54-56 Christ himself instituted it in John 6:53-58. The Church does not say that this is his blood and this is his Body. Christ himself has said "Drink this is my blood and Eat this is my body." True food True drink.
Catechism 1367:The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Holy Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice
Sola scriptura was the rallying cry of the Protestant Reformation. For centuries the Roman Catholic Church had made its traditions superior in authority to the Bible. This resulted in many practices that were in fact contradictory to the Bible. Some examples are prayer to saints and/or Mary, the immaculate conception, transubstantiation, infant baptism, indulgences, and papal authority.
@Belovedtita25 --Sola scriptura is one of those later vain man-made traditions. We are warnede int he Bible to stay away from vain man-made traditions. But we are encouraged to keep holy traditions that have already been established. 2 Thess 2:15
How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and worshipped
Im so sorry i dont worship the God they call the pope, or stone or wood or images , maybe becasue i take Gods commandments seriously. And Jesus christ is alive, not dead on a cross, that was finished. He has the victory. How can the RCC worship a wafer God at every mass and call it a sacrifice? Hmm , this is why im not catholic any more, i didnt bring me close to Jesus christ, it had stunted my spirtual growth, and i never gave my life to Jesus because i was too busy worshipping mary.
@Belovedtita25 --I don't know any seriously devout Catholic that does any of that and I sure don't. I do follow what the Bible says in Heb 13:17, John 6:54-56. Christ meant 'His' work was done on the cross and not our work was done see James 2:17. That's why I'll never settle for a partial, isolated, false Gospel of ignorance.
Umm its in 1timothy and thessolonians, but reread the hole bible at that! So many times it states that the Holy Spirit is given to us, there are so many errors with the catholic belief, that debate is foolish and has no purpose because they want to believe false added scripture ... Its that easy , summary: idol worship, pagan symbols,jewerly and adornment, man made = harlotry,spiritual death, Gods judgement, ouch.
@Belov-"idol worship?" Exodus 25:18, Num 21:8-9, 1 Kings 6:23-29, 1 Kings 7:25-45. "pagan symbols?" see previous Biblical references. "jewelry & adornment" Exodus 28:2-5. "man made?" sola scriptura & sola fide = "man made spiritual death" Heb 13:17, 1 Tim 3:15-16 James 2:17, James 2:24-26.
@MrOphachew ive read these scriptures nowhere does the RCC compare to these scriptures, why? You see their fruits in person. Ash wednesday? Line up and kiss the statue of a jesus on a cross, fail. Lets witness the pope mingle with world leaders and religious leaders, adultery, they bow down to him and at times kiss his ring,fail. He has bowed down to a doll of mary, people pray to saints and light candles around stone figures and images, fail. In daniel, why did they get thrown in the furnace?
@MrOphachew The whole "Church" system is Babylonian in origin and again, stems from the Catholic reigion. The "Church" has created an order of hierachy based on the Babylonian religions thereby controlling the masses, or having them believe that they must have a Pope/Minister/Pastor interpret the Scriptures for them.Yahweh's Word is clear that we have only one teacher and do not need man to teach us:
@Belovedtita25 --belovedtita25--You got me laughin so hard I can barely type. Anyway there's nothing Babylonian or new about "The Church" which is>> 1 Tim 3:15-16. Its all right there in the Bible. see Hebrews 13:17 & *[{(2 Peter 1:20.)}]*
@MrOphachew Laugh of the fools huh? Even my deacon in the catholic church knows better, and is aware of pagan customs , you can clearly see it in the churchs structures, but yea laugh along with the ones that have you in their hands, theyre laughing really hard ;) ! I cant believe the blindness but only God can save you now, as he has many others , even an atheist can see right through the catholic church. Funny huh?
@Belovedtita25 --The blind(you) can't and never see. I see only your ignorance when you try to talk about the RCC. "your deacon in the Catholic church?" are you Catholic? No where in the Bible does it say that the anointing and holy spirit are the only and sole authority that is needed. read Hebrews 13:17.
@MrOphachew And like your religion , youre so spiritually dead that every scripture you give me has NOTHING to back up the RCC, its not funny to me to see so many souls lost, but like many hearts that are in a religion they are hard, and dont seek truth, they love their traditions and themselves, not worshipping God but just saying they are " christians" but God knows their hearts are not for him,hey if you want to follow the pope that bows down and prostitutes the members in the church so be it
@Belovedtita25 --your "deacon in the RCC?" are you catholic? Nothing pagan about the RCC read 2 Thess 2:15. I certainly don't find it funny with how lost and ignorant you are. God knows your heart is full of ignorance and spite. obviously your are the one rejecting scripture and "not worshiping God."
Amazing how catholics use circular reasoning. If a Bible scripture insinuates something that helps them, they love it and repeat it endlessly. If one doesn't help their cause of proof, it is not nearly important. To me, it sound like the great liar is behind the whole thing, running it like a freight train running over whom he may.
II Tim 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
cr500blur 1 month ago
For years, Monsignor Kevin McAuliffe lived something of a double life. He was widely admired by his flock at St. Elizabeth Ann Seton, which he helped build into one of the largest Roman Catholic parishes in the Las Vegas area. But at the same time, he was stealing money from the church. He stole from the gift shop. He stole from the votive candle collection. He stole from a fund for novenas, or Masses in honor of the dead. Over nearly a decade, he pocketed about $650,000. What a man!!
TheJpgr1958 1 month ago
If any man judges another by the Law, that is the Torah of Moses , the Law of the Jews, then such a man is by Witness of the Curses in the Bible for those who Judge by the Law, which then is what the term in Hebrew "SATAN" means, the one who judges others, according to curses and condemnations in the Law of Moses. Such as one is not a Christian, You have become a Jew , if you use the Law of Moses to Judge other people by, Jesus took us away from Condemnation by the Law of Moses.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
The Protestants who build their churches on hatred of others, by bringing others into a judgment according to the Jewish Law, or the Torah, they have condemned not those they have judged, but they have condemned themselves, by bringing anyone into Judgment, by the Law of Moses, as if they were Jews. The Protestants might as well just cut their penis and become Jews, for nothing can save you , by Judgment, you bring on those whom God rather said are entirely Free of the Law, Repent.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione I was a catholic now I am very anty catholic. I don't have hatred. but the catholic church was detrimental for me. The prist would tell me to say 4 hail marys and 5 another week. At the age of 12 I said to the prist. Am I buying my forgiveness. Is it my repentance or the ammount of prayers that makes the difference? Then as I grew older I learned that in the dark ages the church even used to sell indugencess for money
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 It is your repentence proven through the act of the number of prayers. Mostly repentence but the prayers are necessary to connect yourself to god better. If you just repeat the words, that is your own fault. You must find the message in the prayers not just inanely repeat words you do not understand on a deeper level.
Archangel777Catholic 1 month ago
@Archangel777Catholic you tray to put it nicely, about the prayers at confession. You can make beautiful religion with words, but it remains, Jesuits priests flagellate themselves, Filipino Catholics, pierce their hands at Easter time, in Italy nuns close themselves in compleate seclution. I am a christian I pray morning and nights. for forgiveness etc etc. but I left the catholic church. they build the cupola of saint peter with the money of indigence and burned john hus
medusa210562 1 month ago
@medusa210562 Really? The entire Church and all of its members (that is what Christ meant by the Church by the way...) did that? Or rather was it a few misguided members of the Catholic Church? I hope you see your error now. You simply CANNOT blame the past mistakes of a few men on an entire religion.
And if you think you can for a second, then I may say that Hitler, a Protestant Christian, models your sect. That is incredibly false obviously. So it is with Catholicism. God bless.
Archangel777Catholic 1 month ago
@Archangel777Catholic Hitler was RC...then became an atheist. God's word is above all others....even stupid RC tradition...which is nothing but lies anyway. and who is the father of lies? SATAN! Only what God says is true and man is a lair.
shanana000 6 days ago
@medusa210562 God didn't create money man did and what does God need money for. Keep the bible in context. Again i say gambling isn't a bad until one becomes addicted to it which then leads to more problems. As a side note i clicked on the web pages that were in the link and it said that the pages couldn't be found.
TheHusker20 1 month ago
@TheHusker20 Ok tell me something is gambling ( with poker machine which the catholic church uses) fair? Is it fair? Or is the machine set against those who play? And tell me one more thing, is gambling addictive even to 1 percent of people, ups you have already given me the answer and I am sure it is much more then 1 percent. And tell me one more thing, do you care? Do you care? "whoever hastens to be rich will not go unpunished" Proverbs 28:19-20
medusa210562 1 month ago
The Jews have determined to fill the minds of the Protestants with a Big Lie of the Devil. That the Catholic Church has not the Grace of Christ, because of the Jews placing the Catholics under a Judgment by the Law of Moses. This is corruption against what Jesus taught, to justify the Jews by the Law, which they never kept, and to accuse then the Catholics, to whom God never gave the Law at any time. The Catholics are Free in Grace and no man can withstand Jesus Christ who did this DEED.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
I gave my Proof, Jesus is God and very much present here in the world. To attack Catholics is to undermine the Sovereignty of God, Yahweh. Yahweh gave us the Way , to show us Jesus first, and then distribute what God gave to Jesus to appear as and do , then to give all this to us, The Bible is not God, we are the Living, We are the Physical Agency and Body of God as God appeared as Jesus, now the Father who sent Jesus is sending us, The Catholic Church is the Foundation of the Saints
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
"God dwells among the People" What does this mean ? It means we are all meant by God to be God's fingers and toes, God's arms and feet, God's ability to appear on Earth and bring Salvation to the world, in Suffering, do we serve the Lord, as being then, torn away from being ourselves, but now tied together as if One Body, we enter the Spirit that communicates us into One Temple of Yahweh. We are God, as far as Jesus is coming into our Lives and working in the world through us,
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
It is like asking me, who is America, Is America the People, United in Spirit by their Constitution, or is America the Government ? Who is the Christ, Who is the Church, and what is the Christ Church about ? It is the Assembly of Saints Building Up the very Body of Christ now present with Power of God , Here on Earth !!! We Worship the Church because the Church is actually GOD. The People are the Church, if they have the Holy Spirit and are in Communion as the Body of Christ.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
With the Jews, they equate the Torah as God, and they take Torah and become a "collective divinity of Rabbis" who speak on Earth as equal to God,and tell Jews what they can or cannot believe. The Catholic Church is the body of Jesus Christ, physically yet appearing here on Earth. Jesus has given Communion, parting out his physical being, to manifest Christ in Many People, so the effect is, The Church is God on Earth, not the Jews, in their "collective divinity" . Jesus & Church= One
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
Catholics rightly worship the Church , which is the only evidence of God Emanuel, God here, rightly appearing as flesh and blood people, We are the Christ, the Church the body of who once appeared on Earth as Jesus, in Him, but the Risen Christ is mysteriously glorified and expanded, to include my flesh body and yours, if you accept Jesus is God, Then the whole Church on Earth, not the Bible, is the Reality of God Emanuel. God is on Earth Visibly by the Church, Jesus' Arms and Legs.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
What the Jews wanted, to Judaize the Christians, is to deny Christ is Risen and create serious doubt that God ever appeared as Jesus and that Jesus is Emanuel God, that is , Jesus is day by day, by day by day right here with us, and able to reveal Himself to all the Church, and thus able to guide the Church, including the Catholic Church. The Jews created doubt by returning us to the Law and creating doctrines forever evolving away from the very Personable Appearing of God as Christ.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
How else can I say it, the very embodiment of the Messiah , what is Messiah , was in the appointed time of God's visitation, the one man Jesus, But rising from the Dead, Jesus then gave authority to all the Church Members to be together building up, one by one, by one by one, to be the Unified Body of Christ. God is now dwelling in Many Persons, not the One Person that Jesus appeared as, but what Jesus is, has been Given Out to all Believers, and the Church is God, not the Bible.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
The Church is the only body of Jesus Christ now on Earth, Jesus is the Capstone, If you claim Jesus is unable to guide the Church by the Presence of the Holy Spirit and being Present in the Eucharist, then you simply do not believe in Jesus at all, but only maybe you believe the Bible is a Magical Book that can find you your treasure in Heaven. But the Bible is only the Book, and cannot save you at all, no matter how good is your Doctrine justified by what you read in the Bible, Jesus Saves.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
When Jesus, our God, was here in the manner of appearing as a man, the man Jesus, He was worshiped , but that does not mean, Jesus is VAIN ! Jesus instead came to worship us, Jesus is God, who came to die for us, that ultimate meaning of worshiping, is Jesus died for us, so Jesus worshiped Mary, Joseph, Peter, Paul, Thomas, etc. Jesus is God who came to Worship Us, by the Ultimate Act of Dying on the Cross, as a PROOF He Loves US !!! We are all One in God who is One, SAINTS
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
When Jesus was as a man on Earth, and He healed people, they bowed down to the man Jesus appearing before them and WORSHIPED Him !! What does this mean ? IN the Torah Bible the only word we have that equals what the Torah Bible says is "worship" is "Love" and the act of "Giving" That is the Hebrew meaning of worship: To Give and to Love, without prejudice, without being a respecter of persons. So Mary, Joseph and the Saints all are Equally Loved , because Jesus Commanded this
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
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The purpose of the Bible, is not to create doctrines of Salvation , but testify as One Witness of Three , the written Torah was a witness, the Holy Spirit was a second witness, and the Messiah was the third witness. When all this came to be, the Bible is no more to be used to create intellectual plans of being saved. It all points to the Messiah ,Jesus, who is God, and now the Law is no more and Jesus is Here, His BODY has become all the Members of the Church , including the Pope
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
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The purpose of the Bible, is not to create doctrines of Salvation , but testify as One Witness of Three , the written Torah was a witness, the Holy Spirit was a second witness, and the Messiah was the third witness. When all this came to be, the Bible is no more to be used to create intellectual plans of being saved. It all points to the Messiah ,Jesus, who is God, and now the Law is no more and Jesus is Here, His BODY has become all the Members of the Church , including the Pope
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
The purpose of the Bible, is not to create doctrines of Salvation , but testify as One Witness of Three , the written Torah was a witness, the Holy Spirit was a second witness, and the Messiah was the third witness. When all this came to be, the Bible is no more to be used to create intellectual plans of being saved. It all points to the Messiah ,Jesus, who is God, and now the Law is no more and Jesus is Here, His BODY has become all the Members of the Church , including the Pope
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
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Jesus said," You search the scriptures because you think that in them you shall find Salvation, but it is they ( Plural) that testify of Me" And so the message is, when the Disciples realized that the Bible and the Temple and the Religion of the Jews was "Fulfilled" it meant God finally came Himself in the flesh to be on Earth with us. Now, either Jesus is God and Emanuel God, that is with us, to direct the Church POWERFULLY, or you are just believing in a Book called the Bible.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
Jesus said," You search the scriptures because you think that in them you shall find Salvation, but it is they ( Plural) that testify of Me" And so the message is, when the Disciples realized that the Bible and the Temple and the Religion of the Jews was "Fulfilled" it meant God finally came Himself in the flesh to be on Earth with us. Now, either Jesus is God and Emanuel God, that is with us, to direct the Church POWERFULLY, or you are just believing in a Book called the Bible.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
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Jesus said," You search the scriptures because you think that in them you shall find Salvation, but it is they ( Plural) that testify of Me" And so the message is, when the Disciples realized that the Bible and the Temple and the Religion of the Jews was "Fulfilled" it meant God finally came Himself in the flesh to be on Earth with us. Now, either Jesus is God and Emanuel God, that is with us, to direct the Church POWERFULLY, or you are just believing in a Book called the Bible.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
Jesus said," You search the scriptures because you think that in them you shall find Salvation, but it is they ( Plural) that testify of Me" And so the message is, when the Disciples realized that the Bible and the Temple and the Religion of the Jews was "Fulfilled" it meant God finally came Himself in the flesh to be on Earth with us. Now, either Jesus is God and Emanuel God, that is with us, to direct the Church POWERFULLY, or you are just believing in a Book called the Bible.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
If the Mystery of God is not found in the Bible to be given to any man, then what is the Bible for ? It is the Guide for the Church, which amounts to One Testimony, One Witness, in the Trinity of Three Witnesses to Prove what is Truth is the Truth. The Bible says what is says, and is insufficient to save anyone at all. that is why the Jews failed. Because God appeared as Jesus, then the Bible becomes "Fulfilled" or powered to be One Witness, the Other Witnesses are Church & Holy Spirit.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione I was a catholic. I remember I used to play the clarinet in the south of Itlay. behind prosessions. Posessions for saints. The ladies used to be on their knees untill thery were bleeding. They waited all year to celebrate that particular saint. My Grandmother used to pray to saints. that is satanic. It is not biblical. Read acts 10:26
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 Catholics are not to bow to statues or drag their knees until they bleed. But, if a Catholic wishes to do this, then who are you to tell them not to ? Part of the reason people today are so weak and pathetic as lost and afraid of life , is they do not know how to SUFFER !!! The Body of Christ needs to know how to suffer and then the People of Christ shall be strong again and Victorious in the world. Today the kids are ashamedly like weak women, they have failed. Repent
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione Suffer. I suffered when I decided to get buptized as an adult I was persecuted by all my Catholic relatives. this suffering you are talking about is human invention. not bibical. Jesus says to the phareesees "if you hade understood what it meand I want obedience not sacrifice" Show me from the bible self inflicted pain. You catholics are so far from the trueth you are totaly blind. What catholics to in these prosessions is Idolatry.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 So, what do you want, a medal, for you suffered a little ??? You never suffered at all, because the way you describe what you suffered from your relatives, is like a little baby complaining that his little sister took his toy away and you are wailing away. You need to really suffer, and God willing, you will truly suffer and then you will repent of all your foolishness. You cannot serve God, until you know how to really suffer for your faith, You become like Christ.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione do ;you know that caltholics own clubs with poker machines in it. there is one near my home in Australia. Many lifes are distroyed
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 If Jesus wishes to raise money for the Church by playing Bingo with the old ladies, who really have a good time doing this, then who are you to use this against the Catholics ? I again, ask , who are you, by what Authority do you claim you are the Judge, standing in God's place to criticize the Catholics ? Why don't you go criticize the Jews who are all going to Hell, because they falsely claim they keep the Law and yet have denied the Messiah. Worse than gambling ?
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione It is a sin to gamble. That is what they were doing with the garnments of Jesus. God gives you money and that we walk into temptation. Wanting to make quick money.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 "Many lives are destroyed " See, you are a liar and going straight to hell. By Christ we can do all things, the Law is ended, we enter a Liberty , by with the Lord Jesus, we can do all things, especially take risks . Building a home in Florida is as gambling against the Hurricanes that blow the house away, But anyway ,people gamble and build houses prone to floods and hurricanes and many die because of it. Worse than gambling ? You are going straight into the fire.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
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@CarmineFragione I suffering was not selinflicted. I love my relatives. Don't redicule. I was sincere. the catholic church doesn't like sincere. She likes blindly submissive. In ather words Persecution.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione Gambling is wrong. the catholic chruch as only as moral as humanists. so gambling is ok. Not if you are a christian. If you are a christian you give monery. You don't gamble. One wrong don't make one right.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 Jews in ancient times always gambled, using "Lots" the land of Israel was divided up by casting lots in the Book of Joshua , chapter 18., So they gambled on which tribe was going to get what land over the Jordan. So, again, you are really ignorant of the Bible, and yet ready to cast Judgment, where you have no Office or Title to do so, You must repent, because as long as you Judge by the Law, you cannot be a Christian, You are not a Christian, if you Judge by the Law.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione What has casting lots to do with gambling you livelihood. What God gives you, What God has provided for you. Gambling is walking into temptation. "Do not lead us into temptation" Gambling is a sin.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 gambling in and of itself isn't wrong. It becomes wrong when people abuse it hence addictions begin. If one gambles responsibly and appropriately then i don't see it being a sin
TheHusker20 1 month ago
@TheHusker20 gambling in and of itself isn't wrong at a humanist level. As a biblical level gambling the money God gives you is always wrong. would you like a bible lesson on it?
medusa210562 1 month ago
@CarmineFragione do you know the catholic church forbides married couple to be intimate unless they have to concive. that is a sin.this is a sin. this is a sin. Jesus sayd to the phareesees you put burdens on people.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 Again, what Jesus said to the Pharisees, Jesus never once said to the Disciples, You make false equivocations, because you are truly ignorant of the Bible and that is enough to make you dangerous . Jesus judged the Jews as lost, if they do not accept Him as Messiah. You equivocate gambling money as a crime and say the Jews then are okay with God, even though the Lord spoke it plainly to the Jews, that their Judgment was much worse than the Judgment for the Nations.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@medusa210562 What Jesus said to the Pharisees, is not at all meant for you, a Christian, What Jesus advised to the Jews, was equal to DAMNATION of the Jews, for they professed to Obey the Law and claimed to also OWN the TORAH , and thus they were as Sorcerer's Apprentices. They were condemned by Jesus, and the Jews would not come to Jesus to be saved, and so either you go to the Bible or, you go to Jesus Christ believing He is God and Present right here, right now, you cannot fake this
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione Jesus wants obbedience not sacrifice. Not sefinflicted that is for sure. We all take up our cross against sin, We don't create more sins by self flaggillation as the Jesuits do. As nuns do who close themselves in seclution. Or filippino catholics who pierce their hands at easter.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 I suffering was not selinflicted. I love my relatives. Don't redicule. I was sincere. the catholic church doesn't like sincere. She likes blindly submissive. In ather words Persecution.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 If you are truly a Christian, you have given over your body to Jesus that Jesus has permission to live in your flesh, to have God actually appearing on Earth through the corporal context of your physical life. If you do not love the Catholics and judge the Catholic Church , you are taking Partisan Judgment to your condemnation , because Jesus justified the Catholic Church , yet condemned the Jews without any pardon at all. Catholics are all under Grace in Christ, Repent
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione It is a sin to tell married couple they cannot be intimate with each other. Just as it is a sin to fornicate.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 I really do not know what you are talking about, Are you talking about the Rhythm Method of Birth Control, where the Church teaches not to have sex at certain times and that effects the birth rate ? Is that what you are talking about ? But are you talking about homosexuals who claim to be "Married" ??? Is that what you are talking about, what in the world are you talking about ?
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione Look I don't know if they have changed. But I know they could not have sex unless they were to have children. I know personally a couple of protestants ex catholics who lived in Rome. They were very strong procticing catholics and they tald me of their stragle to this regard and their conversations with the local prist.
medusa210562 2 months ago
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Actually that in not what Catholic church teaches, sex between married couple is OK.
jakovcu 1 month ago
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Actually that in not what Catholic church teaches, sex between married couple is OK.
jakovcu 1 month ago
If not for Jesus, the Bible is just a moldy old book of ancient wisdom and history of one nation called Israel. And that is all that the Bible is, a Book. the Bible does not justify Jesus Christ, it is the other way , whatever is written in the Bible, be is metaphorical or story or mystery , it all means absolutely nothing until God did come in the flesh and appear, Jesus is God, Jesus makes the Bible mean anything at all. The Bible cannot save you ,it is not a book of Magical Chants.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione In the book of revelation even an angel says to John not to bow to him because he (the angel was not to be worshipped) T;hat is why the catholic church took away the 2nd comandament.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 We do not worship angels, We Worship the Church, You just don't get it do you ??? Jesus rose from the dead and the Glorified Christ appeared to the Disciples, even walking through the walls, partly of this world and partly of another world, so is the Mystery of Christ. BUT, we now are the only Body of Christ, physically appearing, on Earth, the same as the Father sent Jesus, now Jesus sent us as the Body of the Lord Jesus, WE ARE THE FLESH BODY OF JESUS ON EARTH
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
the False Religions, wish you to make gestures of being religious and long prayers on your knees to God, out there in the skies somewhere, That is not the Catholic Faith at all. When we Love one another, as the Church and Give to one another, as the Church ,we are then claiming to be the actual physical body of Jesus Christ on Earth, and the Spirit of Christ is God's Spirit, able to appear directly to the Saints, to Guide the Church. Jesus is He who makes the Bible important, He is God
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
The Correct Way of Jesus Christ is to Love and Give to one another, just as Jesus Christ gave to each and every one of us. We do not yet understand. Jesus loved us and gave to us ,as if we were God and He was the Servant. God is not Vain, Jesus is not Vain. If we Love One Another, that is the True Biblical Worship of God, in Loving one another , we are actively worshiping God, - not then to make long prayers and look religious, that sort of worship is a FRAUD, We are One Church
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
Now only the English made the distinctions between "Worship" and "Honor" not the Bible and not the Catholic Church. The Commandment to Love God, the English say "worship" and when it comes to your parents , the English say "Honor" They used to greet the King's Magistrate with "Your Worship" beckoning the King's title, and the English used to greet a Judge as "Your Honor" But the Bible does not make these distinctions with respect to Worship of God, Worship is Love and Giving
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
When Catholics venerate Mary and Joseph and Peter and James and Paul, etc. They are realizing a Mystery of God, that all Saved in the Church of Christ in Heaven are now all with a perfect eternal Equity, all equal to God , and there is no hierarchy of worshiping God that Jesus ever taught us. Jesus in fact taught us to love one another as He, Jesus loves us, Does Jesus love Himself more than you, or Mary or any Christian ? No, Jesus is teaching a Higher Law of Truth , We are all One
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
So the errors of false doctrine, teaches people the false impression that Jesus is vainly asking every one to worship Him, without realizing that He in turn, has given all of the Godhead to the Church, that all Faithful should have an Equity in Christ equal to Christ in Glory, for all Eternity. The book of Revelation reveals this, saying those who Christ Elects as the Church Faithful, shall also sit on the Throne of God with Jesus, as if they all now are the same Truth of God that God is One
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
So the literal Body of Christ is now given to the whole Church. This is the Holy Communion, meant so to be in the Eucharist and in the giving of the Holy Spirit. This is not philosophical. This is LITERAL !!! Jesus is God now coming through the Church Faithful, in Body and in Spirit, to Forgive Sins or Retain the sins of any, as the Church decides. Our Worship of God is to the Church , because Jesus Christ is the Church ,the Capstone and His Body now appears as many physical bodies.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
How can a simple Truth be so hidden ? The Bible fuels millions of private interpretations- all must be false, because the only qualified Reader of the Bible is Jesus Christ. Christ rose from the dead, giving the Disciples, whom He chose, Absolute Equity to the very Person of Christ, as Christ walked the Earth bearing up the flesh of humanity. John 20:21-23 spells it out. Christ appears to the Disciples and says " As the Father sent me, now I send you" We became the Body of Christ on Earth
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
why is it necessary now for us to realize the Word of God is a Person , not a Book ? Because the Witness of the Written Text of the Bible, Jesus Christ dismissed from you, to say many search the Scripture, for in them they think they have Eternal Life, but it is they who testify of me." So, at this point, Either Jesus is God and God is With Us, Emanuel God or you are all blowing smoke, smoke and mirrors, to attempt to find salvation out of the Bible, when it told you to go to Jesus
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
If Salvation came by the Bible, the Jews would have succeeded long ago to overthrow God and install their Collective Divinity as to rule over the Earth. But the Bible is not Literally God, or God's Word, but the Witness of God's Word, Once God became flesh, the Word became flesh , Jesus did not return to being a Book or a Bible, Either you accept that Jesus is God and ever present with us now, or you simply are faking your Faith and do not believe Jesus is God and only believe in a Book.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
John 20, verses 21-23 the Risen Christ, now glorified in the Father, appears physically as FACT to the Disciples and gives them literal Authority to forgive sins or retain the sins of any, and that Authority does not come by the Scripture, but the Authority of the Holy Ghost, proves Jesus did rise from the dead and is still ever present in the Presence,in the Eucharist and in the Holy Spirit, then the Bible belongs to they whom Jesus has SENT ! Jesus did not send the Bible, He sent Disciples.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
Catholic Faith is Truth , but Catholics are not perfect and the Catholic Religion does not work out the way it should have, because of the flesh nature of human beings. But, Catholic Faith is well reasoned from FACT, not from the Bible as a philosophical discourse of literal proofs, but the fact that Jesus rose from the dead to prove that Jesus is God, that matters only. Then Jesus sent the Disciples, not the Bible, but the Disciples with literal authority of the physical body of Jesus
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
The Bible does not prove Jesus is God, Jesus came in the flesh to prove to the people as historical fact of the matter,that He, Jesus Christ, is literally ,and unequivocally God Almighty Emanuel Yahweh God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace,The King and the Prince, as Ezekiel speaks of David in both titles, Jesus is all God, Without Jesus the Bible is totally worthless for salvation , No Salvation comes out of the Bible, there is no Magic there in, Jesus makes the Bible matter,
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
The Unity of Catholic Salvation In Christ is that all Saved in Glory are actually and forever then equal to God in Jesus, That in the Heaven that Jesus prepared for Catholic Faith , there is no higher or lower valued person of God, All Saved are One, Equal to each other, Inheriting all Glory that is Given of God in Jesus goes as the Inherited Glory to all Christians, So Mary and Jesus and Joseph, in Heaven, is all the same equal as is God is One. God is One, means All are in God, equally.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
Catholic’s love to quote the holy fathers, that one of them in time become an infallible pope. For me the apostles were indorsed by Christ, but we must not forget that Catholics themselves have condemned many popes as anti popes, and traditional Catholics even to day have problems, (change in there mass) so how do we come to the truth, me personally I do not know if all the fathers in the early church were in Christ, but I know that the apostles were , because of the scriptures,
HOFFABRANDO1 2 months ago
How could Luther say "alone" with respect to how to be saved , when God Himself came by Way of the Trinity as a Three fold Testimony of Witness to the Truth. Deuteronomy 19:15 demands proof of two or three witnesses. So the Bible is only One Witness in the world, The Holy Spirit is a Second Witness in the world, Jesus Christ, who now has given His Material Body to Many to be the Church Universal. that is a Third Witness, that makes the Trinity prove that God is not "alone" in Salvation.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
What is Truth , the Bible such that it proves Jesus is Messiah, or is it the other way around, that who that makes the Bible itself Holy and True, is none other than Jesus Christ, that He is God, If Christ is not Messiah , if Jesus is not God, then the Bible is materially worthless to us, it has no power in itself to save anyone. So the Bible does not prove Christ, but Christ is He who proves the Bible as Truth. Jesus Christ is He who makes the Bible stand as the Truth by His own Will.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
The Church began without the Bible, the actual presence of human beings, so commissioned by the Risen Christ in John 20:21-23 shows Authority, by they whom Christ has "Sent" in the same Power as Jesus said "The Father sent me" So the Bible is not sent, but Christ is sent and Christ Risen to give the Holy Spirit to the Disciples, so that they materially, as corporal flesh and blood human beings, are then "Sent" to forgive sins or retain any sins. This proves Protestantism is false.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
What makes the Bible to be Holy, is the proof of Jesus Christ. Without Jesus Christ, the Bible is book of ancient stories and wisdom but not any source of salvation, To take away the personal power of Christ to appear in the Holy Spirit and as the Material Body of the Church as Saints, is Satanic, in that consolation only exists in the Bible, which is only a book, and has no magical powers. Only if Christ be True, is the Bible true, and Jesus gave authority to the Church as His Body.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
In the British Tradition, one must pray to the Magistrate, as "Your Worship" and to the Judge, you give to pray to " Your Honor" and "praying" was equal to making a serious Inquiry. So, when they took to attacking the Catholics, over Mary , they imposed this "divination" of worship or honor, and lesser degrees. Which does not exist in the Hebrew Bible, and does not exist in the Catholic Church. When you love your enemy, that is equal to worshiping God in the Highest sense.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
There is no hierarchy of loving God, the Protestants were confused by the Law, that one give the most love to Jesus, the next level to parents the lesser to neighbor and the least to your enemy. So then they talk about Mary. But they are all wrong to begin with. There is no such hierarchy of how much love to give to each, Jesus said we are to love one another as Jesus loves us, and so Mary gets as much love as any other part of the Church , We are One in Christ, there is only One Love
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione Protestants do not teach a "hierarchy of love".
We are ALL, as catholic, protestant, or otherwise, to love, serve and honour God 1st in our lives. Mat 6:33 "Seek 1st His kingdom and His righteousness...", but not at the expense of others.
2nd would be our spouse, children, families, friends, etc. This isn't theological as much as common-sense reality.
Putting anyone before God is wrong.
If I serve others and yet neglect my wife and children, this would be wrong as well.
Infidelrf 2 months ago in playlist responded videos
@CarmineFragione you are right about equal love. I love mary as much as she would love me, I don't bow to mary and I don't expect mary to bow to me. In a perfect world there would be no bowing at all. expect to God. We don't live in a perfect world. But we cannot get it wrong in our religion.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 You miss the fact that Jesus Christ takes the Church into Heaven as then being In Christ, not philosophically in Christ, but literally, the Saved Church in Heaven, including Mary, is then become One in Christ as Christ is One in the Father, that upon the Throne of Glory, all Christians in Paradise with Jesus are then IDENTIFIED as equal to God, all are in Christ are then equal to Christ, and Christ does not have a Hierarchy of Worship of God in Heaven , all are Equal.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione I now what you are saying is partially true Jesus will take all the saints to heaven at His resurrection Tassalonians 4.And the saints will judge together with God Revelation. But 1) the saints will never be complitely equal. God will always be God.2)This church of saints is not the Catholic church. But is made up of people of all christian denominatins including catholics. Only God knowes the heart of people.
medusa210562 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione This Hierarchy we are talking about is here on hearth. I am not talking about heaven. For example why should people kiss the popes hand. I have never seen the pope kiss other peoplels hand. Acts 10: 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
medusa210562 2 months ago
@medusa210562 Moses used to bow down to Jethro, his own father inlaw. He would bow down and kiss his wife's father Jethro, the way you kiss the Pope, Pope means "father" and the Word of God is not a Book, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and remains with us completely even until the end of the age. What you do not seem to get is Jesus does not need any critics to run the Church, Jesus is God, if the Church does poorly, Jesus is involved personally and resolves things.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@CarmineFragione The pope can kiss my hand He is not my father Jesus runs the churh and he gave us the written word that we might not have to trust another man. I don't trust popes. You show me why I should.
medusa210562 2 months ago
In the false claims of some Protestants, that Idols cannot be in the Church , we need to examine the Law. The Jews cannot make Idols to bow down to. but Yahweh , determined the Gentiles are the Builders of the House of God, not the Jews, to wit the sons of Hiram built the Temple of Solomon, not any Jews, And in the Temple are Statues of Angels and Saints, exactly as seen in the Catholic Cathedrals, which now is the Law, the Gentiles are free to have all this Art and can freely worship God
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
It is very clear from the teachings of Saint Paul, if you want to be a Jew, then you need circumcision and obedience to the Law of Moses, but not the Oral Tradition of the Elders, whom Paul says is in Rebellion against the Temple and Sacrifice. So, if you choose to be Christian ,you are accepting the final High Priest ,as in the Eternal Order of Melchizedek to be Jesus, who speaks anew, and abrogates all Jewish Law, into a Liberty designed to be easy for the Gentiles to accept and abide in.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
The Catholic Priesthood is a Grace, a Liberty given , not taken, Jesus Christ is the Levite born of Mary, a daughter of the Levite Priests of Yahweh , who is then the Son of God, a Title of Messiah given to someone like Moses ,a Levite. so Jesus as High Priest, is sending the Catholic Priests as in the place of Jesus Himself, to serve Catholics, not Jews. So it is a Grace, that Jesus said He would honor it in John 20:21-23 by the "Breathe" of the Law Giver, to those in this Church.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
The Messiah , which Jews think is a military or world leader for peace, etc, which is unlikely , the real Messiah is the High Priest, who gave over his own body to be indwelt by the Shekinah , the Holy Spirit, that now, the man is not a man , the man has died, but God has raised up the flesh and now God Almighty is appearing in the same flesh that once was the High Priest, and now God speaks the Law anew, Unraveling the Torah by His Interpretation, not the Jews in their Oral Tradition.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
The Messiah takes over the role of Moses as Law Giver, by finishing what Moses began in the Written Law of Moses, and having qualified as Messiah , the Messiah then becomes the New Law Giver. Such that as Moses was a Levite Messiah , and the sons of Aaron , were Levites, then the Messiah, as we claim it is Jesus , is a Levite Priest of the House of David, who finished what Moses proscribed and begins a New Order of the Law, Abrogating all Law over both Jews and Christians, as One House.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
When one says " Saved by Faith alone" that does not mean Faith is itself a single gesture or idea or a piece of information used to accomplish a deed. Faith is like a sandwich, There is the Bread, but there is the stuff inside, which is meat and spices , etc. that must agree to the taste as a union of several important things that together become as one. Faith is not simply believing, Faith is ruled by the Scripture, by the Fellowship of one's peers, and by the Holy Spirit.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
When men read and study the Bible, the information or knowledge of Good and Evil revealed, cannot save anyone at all. There is a fellowship of three witnesses. So the Bible must be with the Congregation and then find an agreement with the Holy Spirit, and then that resolves interpretation, this what God accepts. There is the Bible, there is the People, there is the Holy Spirit, which in the Unity , a Trinity resolution of Christ appearing on Earth in His Reign, as the Church. 3=1
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione Where does this "Bible, the people, the Holy Spirit, which is the unity" come from? I have never read of such a thing in the Bible. This fellowship of three witnesses you mention, is this a reference to "Where two or more are gathered, there I am also" spoken by Jesus?
The New Testament is clear on fellowshipping with other beleivers, testing ALL things in light of scripture and living a "sactified" life. As a protestant, I do all of these things.
Infidelrf 3 months ago
@Infidelrf Deuteronomy 19:15 " A Matter is established by the Testimony of two or three witnesses. " And so the Trinity is about the Meeting of the Testimony, where the Priest went into the Temple, with the Blood and the Word, and the Skekinah Glory would appear and mingle with the Priest, as Father and Son , in the body of the High Priest. It all means, that knowledge of the Bible, does not work alone to summon a meeting with God, and that it follows that a Proof is by two or Three.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
@CarmineFragione Deut 19:15 is speaking about legal matters before a priest or judge. The way you use it is completely out of context.
Understanding scripture requires us to discern the context of the scripture passage, such as the intended audience and cultural context.
We cannot simply impose our own meaning into God's Holy Word.
This is a great error committed most grievously by the catholic church.
Infidelrf 2 months ago in playlist responded videos
@Infidelrf You are totally wrong, Deuteronomy specifies by Moses that only sons of Aaron be Priest and be called upon to be appointed as Judges over matters of the Law. You are the one who refuses to read the Torah by it's own language, Now, if you go to Ezekiel, the Law is clearly reiterated to be confined only to the Priests of Aaron , that can be Judges as in Courts of the Law. The Catholic Church is at Liberty , because they are Gentiles, and God only winks the eye !
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@Infidelrf In Ezekiel chapter 44 ,verse 24 it says : " In any dispute, the Priests are to serve as Judges and decide it according to my Ordinances." This matches what Moses said in Deuteronomy 17:9 " Go to the Priests, who are Levites and to the Judge who is in Office ( High Priest) " So , it is very clear that Moses told the Jews they cannot Judge the Law themselves, but only by the High Priest, as Moses was Levite, that the Law belongs to Shiloh, or to the Messiah.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@Infidelrf Your assumptions that the Law of Moses incurs the wrath of the times by "cultural differences" or what audience or what context, if totally FALSE !!! Either the Law of Moses applies, or it does not, it is not a living document, not "evolving" but given to the Messiah , an Anointed who finishes the purpose of the Law, to then by that ONE, Proscribe the New Law, by taking over Moses' place,as Moses stood in God's Place to give the Law, the Messiah takes over that Law.
CarmineFragione 2 months ago
@Infidelrf Because the Law requires a Proof of God, that things are put together as an Assembly, such as the Church with the Bible and the Spirit, is a Three Witness or a Trinitarian Proof of God as appearing there in the midst. So Martin Luther said salvation could be assured by "Faith ALONE" adding that word alone to the Roman's verse, and so defiled the concept of proving God is present, by two or three witnesses. So the Church , Bible and Spirit are three required to Summon God.
CarmineFragione 3 months ago
Where is the complete debate?
JDNWF66 3 months ago
@Simple2easy Yes it is the word of God. But when was it put together? The fact there was not a complete Bible when Jesus rose to heaven. That means God intrusted a Church to put the books of the Bible together. If God would give such authority to put together God's word for men. Then why wouldn't he grant authority to His Church to guide humanity to heaven? Another think to, the doctrine Bible alone is found nowhere in scripture. Making this a doctrine of men, not of God.
petrosmedia 4 months ago
@Simple2easy
I dont know if Paul is a Catholic or not but then St. Paul started Christian at first right?
Kankai1 4 months ago
@Simple2easy In some ways you are right. But of course it's going to be different in some ways.
petrosmedia 4 months ago
what is the protestant problem anyway?? Why they keep criticizing Catholics?
Kankai1 4 months ago
@Simple2easy
taught by who?? Catholics?
Kankai1 4 months ago
@Simple2easy The fact is the Jesus left us with a Church and later the new testament was completed under the guidance of the Church. Where in the Bible does it say Jesus left us a Bible?
petrosmedia 4 months ago
Jesus left us first with a Church, not the bible.
petrosmedia 4 months ago
who actually started the protestants anyway? I heard that it was started by Martin Luther but i not sure. Can anyone tell me?
(P.S. Im a Catholic)
Kankai1 5 months ago
I wonder why all the clips on you tube, brought to us by the protestants, have the protestant view only! What are they scared of? Put both sides and let us see, for ourselves, who gives the better answers and let us go from there. To call a video a debate and then edit out the Catholic answer is cowardly and not a debate. I love hearing these non-Catholic "ministers" talk so much about what Catholics believe by picking and choosing what they want and not the whole truth, God help them!
ggonzalez435 5 months ago
@ggonzalez435
True! The thing is.. NO PART of protestantism is even "THE CHURCH" !! They "think" they are, yet, these people have no clue that the entite NT was written by BISHOPS of the Church! All of the apostles & Paul were divinely ordained by God. They went out & ordained others. Linus of 2Tim4:21 was Peter's 1st successor. Clement of Phil 4:3 was Peter's 3rd successor. Benedikt today is the 265th successor to Peter. 1Tim3, 5:17; Titus1:7, 2:15; Heb13:17; 1Pt5:1-5; Jn15:16; Mt18:17-18
Fallschirmjaeger29 5 months ago
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins,
This is a part from the Apostles' Creed I read, I guess they must of misspelled Protestant using the letters C a t h o l i c... To bad Luther dude wasn't around in then he could have made the change himself..lol!
dirtboy7777 5 months ago
@torvasal1 Also if the Catholic Church is so wrong and of the devil then why do you use the Bible that was formed by them? Wouldn't that make your church of the devil as well?
neocon2009 6 months ago
@neocon2009 Thats a good point! My Girl friend is non denom what ever you want to call it and when ever I ask her if you this at your Church or that, she tells me no that a Catholic thing. So one day I asked her, do you go by the bible.. She said of course! I asked why, isn't that a Catholic thing?... Like most responses from do what-cha want religions, I get no answer or lets steer around the topic..lol!
dirtboy7777 5 months ago
@torvasal1 Sir who are you to say who has God in his heart and who does not? If you knew your history you would see how much of a fool you truly are. The Catholic church decided what books were to be placed in the Bible and it was men like Luther that decided to break away and incorporate their views into Christianity teaching things the Bible does not teach. Look up the heresy of Luther and others who left the Catholic Church to form their own.
neocon2009 6 months ago
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zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz 7 months ago
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@dadsathome1 It's called propaganda ;) ;)
Seanus32 7 months ago
Baruch Atah Adonai Eloheinu Melech Ha-Olam, boreh p'ri ha-gafen.
Blessed are You, Adonai, our God, Ruler of the universe, Who has created everything for your glory.
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
i Recommend listening to sermoms by david wilkerson and carter conlon, so anointed with Gods Holy Spirit , they focus you to Jesus Christ :) especially during these last days filled with confusion and spiritual deadness, Jesus is calling onto his people, and you will know his voice, we are one with him and he is one with God, and we are one with them :) praise be to God! I cant help but rejoice in Jesus Christs victory and reign :)
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
I'm sure all I would get from them is a spirit of contention, division etc. If I asked them about Catholicism. Anyway don't bother responding further because you've made it clear the dedication you have to the lies you've learned. So please don't bother responding since it is obvious it doesn't matter to you what is said. Which simply makes me scratch my head as to why you came here commenting in the first place.
MrOphachew 8 months ago
Just to add, when Jesus Christ comes for his people the RCC wont even know who he is...hes going to reveal all their false traditions, and have mercy on the ones that were really decieved, like priests and deacons, and of course the people that they have instilled fear into them if they try to leave the religion, or if they miss mass, its a deadly sin, i learned that in order to get my confirmation, but the vatican and higher ups , they know the evil they are doing
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --When Christ comes I hope he doesn't ask you why you chose to leave the true light only to stumble around in the darkness rather than continue on ward into the light. Whoever, poisoned you to the truth knew the evil they where doing they turned you into a lost sheep. w w w . e w t n . org
MrOphachew 8 months ago
@MrOphachew I know my lord and he knows me:) his Holy Spirit dwells in me and i cannot deny that, my love for him is everlasting and ive died to myself and live for him now, for gods will . Brother or sister? In christ , i refuse to argue with you, that is what flesh does, my apologies, i study the word and my teacher is the Holy spirit , but thank you.. I might be stubborn in your eyes but im firm in my love for my savior , i am at peace .
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --I am saddened and I'm sure Christ is also to hear you say that. Please do not bother responding any further. It is obvious that it does not matter to you what anyone says. As far as you are concerned the RCC has had it wrong since the beginning and for the last 2000 years until you came along. The Bible warns us repeatedly about false teachers with false teachings. I will offer a prayer for you and your ilk that like to cause contentions and divisions. And try to stir up doubt.
MrOphachew 8 months ago
@Beloved
The "assembly" you belong to is not even "THE CHURCH" of the Bible, though. Jesus began ONE Church, not 50K "assemblies" who "think" they are "the Church". Fundamentalist do not know any better. You do not know the Bible as well as you think you do. You do not know that the EPISTLES were written BEFORE the written gospels were written. How did the apostles & Paul "preach the gospel" with NO "written" gospel? --> THEY WERENT WRITTEN YET! (Gal1:11-12; 2Cor3:3)
What's this called?
Fallschirmjaeger29 5 months ago
I stand by what i witnessed in the catholic church, i have a life in Jesus Christ.. and wont spend it on youtube debating;) in person you would never get away with such lies and exaggerated claims , catholics do admit to the paganism and the idolatry, thats why i cant take you tube seriously anymore, in person, yes.. go out and help others in need, go out and prove your love for others! May God bless you all :)
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 Likewise, the only things that Catholics admit to is the truth. There is absolutely nothing pagan in Catholicism. I haven't a clue what you are talking about there other than something like the Christmas tree which was baptized into Christianity just as people are. May you realize your errors soon and come back into the true and holy light. read anything by GK Chesterton, Scott Hahn, Karl Keating.
MrOphachew 8 months ago
@MrOphachew check out walter veiths lectures... it is nothing but paganism in the disguise of christianity, you can thank Constantine for that and Mithra/baal just look at your cathedrals symbolism...
zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz 7 months ago
@zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz --No Constantine means no Christianity today. He brought it up out of the catacombs and into the light of day. All Cathedrals are full of nothing but Holy Christian Symbolism that only lead everyone back to Christ.
MrOphachew 7 months ago
@MrOphachew /watch?v=mJkJDg3VmA0
zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz 7 months ago
@zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz --whatever...that did not come up. You are going to have be more specific like who posted the clip?
MrOphachew 7 months ago
@MrOphachew can you please explain why there is a huge obelisk at the vatican? why does the pope think he can change gods law? /watch?v=yQb3daoZpjU
zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz 7 months ago
@zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz --What obelisk? What law? You are going to have to be more specific in the clip you cite like who posted it? etc. I recommend reading anything by Karl Keating & Scott Hahn, CS Lewis and GK Chesterton, Thomas Merton are also good.
MrOphachew 7 months ago
@zzzzzzzz0zzzzzzzz -Walter Veith is another one of satans ignorant servants that want to lead one away from the truth and away from Christ.
MrOphachew 7 months ago
is truly propitiatory."Jesus goes on to say that "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life" (John 6:63-64). So, if "the flesh is of no avail," why would we have to eat Jesus' flesh in order to have eternal life? It does not make sense, until Jesus tells us that the words He speaks are "spirit." Jesus is saying that this is not a literal teaching, but a spiritual one
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
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MrOphachew 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --Read John 6:54-56 Christ himself instituted it in John 6:53-58. The Church does not say that this is his blood and this is his Body. Christ himself has said "Drink this is my blood and Eat this is my body." True food True drink.
MrOphachew 8 months ago
Catechism 1367:The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Holy Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --yup thats is in line with scripture. read John 6:54-56.
MrOphachew 8 months ago
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MrOphachew 8 months ago
Sola scriptura was the rallying cry of the Protestant Reformation. For centuries the Roman Catholic Church had made its traditions superior in authority to the Bible. This resulted in many practices that were in fact contradictory to the Bible. Some examples are prayer to saints and/or Mary, the immaculate conception, transubstantiation, infant baptism, indulgences, and papal authority.
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --Sola scriptura is one of those later vain man-made traditions. We are warnede int he Bible to stay away from vain man-made traditions. But we are encouraged to keep holy traditions that have already been established. 2 Thess 2:15
MrOphachew 8 months ago
How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and worshipped
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --Negative according to the Bible the Saints are in heaven. Rev. 20:4
MrOphachew 8 months ago
Im so sorry i dont worship the God they call the pope, or stone or wood or images , maybe becasue i take Gods commandments seriously. And Jesus christ is alive, not dead on a cross, that was finished. He has the victory. How can the RCC worship a wafer God at every mass and call it a sacrifice? Hmm , this is why im not catholic any more, i didnt bring me close to Jesus christ, it had stunted my spirtual growth, and i never gave my life to Jesus because i was too busy worshipping mary.
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --I don't know any seriously devout Catholic that does any of that and I sure don't. I do follow what the Bible says in Heb 13:17, John 6:54-56. Christ meant 'His' work was done on the cross and not our work was done see James 2:17. That's why I'll never settle for a partial, isolated, false Gospel of ignorance.
MrOphachew 8 months ago
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Religion , division, denominations are not from God. Period. We need to let his Holy spirit lead.
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
Umm its in 1timothy and thessolonians, but reread the hole bible at that! So many times it states that the Holy Spirit is given to us, there are so many errors with the catholic belief, that debate is foolish and has no purpose because they want to believe false added scripture ... Its that easy , summary: idol worship, pagan symbols,jewerly and adornment, man made = harlotry,spiritual death, Gods judgement, ouch.
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belov-"idol worship?" Exodus 25:18, Num 21:8-9, 1 Kings 6:23-29, 1 Kings 7:25-45. "pagan symbols?" see previous Biblical references. "jewelry & adornment" Exodus 28:2-5. "man made?" sola scriptura & sola fide = "man made spiritual death" Heb 13:17, 1 Tim 3:15-16 James 2:17, James 2:24-26.
MrOphachew 8 months ago
@MrOphachew ive read these scriptures nowhere does the RCC compare to these scriptures, why? You see their fruits in person. Ash wednesday? Line up and kiss the statue of a jesus on a cross, fail. Lets witness the pope mingle with world leaders and religious leaders, adultery, they bow down to him and at times kiss his ring,fail. He has bowed down to a doll of mary, people pray to saints and light candles around stone figures and images, fail. In daniel, why did they get thrown in the furnace?
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --"Ash Wedsday?" read Colossians 2:16, true. "Statues" read Exodus 25:18-19, true. "pope mingling etc" read Heb 13:7, Heb 13:!7 true. "Mary" read Luke 1:48, true. "Saints?" Mark 9:4, Heb 12:1, Rev. 20:4, true. Also, read Jos. 5:14, Dan 8:17, True. AMEN
MrOphachew 8 months ago
@MrOphachew The whole "Church" system is Babylonian in origin and again, stems from the Catholic reigion. The "Church" has created an order of hierachy based on the Babylonian religions thereby controlling the masses, or having them believe that they must have a Pope/Minister/Pastor interpret the Scriptures for them.Yahweh's Word is clear that we have only one teacher and do not need man to teach us:
1 John 2:27
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --belovedtita25--You got me laughin so hard I can barely type. Anyway there's nothing Babylonian or new about "The Church" which is>> 1 Tim 3:15-16. Its all right there in the Bible. see Hebrews 13:17 & *[{(2 Peter 1:20.)}]*
MrOphachew 8 months ago
@MrOphachew Laugh of the fools huh? Even my deacon in the catholic church knows better, and is aware of pagan customs , you can clearly see it in the churchs structures, but yea laugh along with the ones that have you in their hands, theyre laughing really hard ;) ! I cant believe the blindness but only God can save you now, as he has many others , even an atheist can see right through the catholic church. Funny huh?
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --The blind(you) can't and never see. I see only your ignorance when you try to talk about the RCC. "your deacon in the Catholic church?" are you Catholic? No where in the Bible does it say that the anointing and holy spirit are the only and sole authority that is needed. read Hebrews 13:17.
MrOphachew 8 months ago
@MrOphachew And like your religion , youre so spiritually dead that every scripture you give me has NOTHING to back up the RCC, its not funny to me to see so many souls lost, but like many hearts that are in a religion they are hard, and dont seek truth, they love their traditions and themselves, not worshipping God but just saying they are " christians" but God knows their hearts are not for him,hey if you want to follow the pope that bows down and prostitutes the members in the church so be it
Belovedtita25 8 months ago
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MrOphachew 8 months ago
@Belovedtita25 --your "deacon in the RCC?" are you catholic? Nothing pagan about the RCC read 2 Thess 2:15. I certainly don't find it funny with how lost and ignorant you are. God knows your heart is full of ignorance and spite. obviously your are the one rejecting scripture and "not worshiping God."
MrOphachew 8 months ago