Ultimately, it's the HUMANS who either do good, donate to charities and produce great art or start wars, discriminate others and obstruct progress, because of certain traits these humans posses. Alone the fact that people belonging to the same religion can do the entire spectrum of good or bad proves that religion has nothing to do with it! I doesn't make you better, nor is it an excuse to be an asshole. Sure, it can make ppl happy, and that's good, but not if your hapiness is archieved through
You know who else did a lot of good things? Adolf Hitler. But, you know, there's something about killing millions of Jews that sort of makes people forget about those good things. I know, I should be above the Hitler references, but I'm not. I'm a comedian, so I get a free pass. It's actually in my job description.
@TheCeejReturns hitler didnt do it for religion. do some history homework. he was a corrupt imperial dictator. he did everything he could to be looked well upon and blamed anyone he could. he was personally racist towards jews. he was one of the most unreligious of his bloodline
That statement is so stupidly presumptuous and ill-informed (not to mention unrelated to my post), that I'm not even going to justify it with a response. Oh wait.
You just keep saying that over and over again. It's the only thing you have to say. I'm sorry your mother dropped you on your head as a child, but don't take it out on me.
I can't even figure out what you're on about and how it relates at all to anything I've ever said ever. If you have a good point, then you're horribly inarticulate because you haven't really said anything. I thought you didn't understand what I was saying, but I was wrong. You don't understand what YOU'RE saying.
@TheCeejReturns i like how you right a full comment about hitler and dont understand what i was getting at xD big fail buddy learn to listen to yourself
I don't understand what you were saying for the same reason that YOU don't understand what you were saying. You said a lot of words, but you didn't say ANYTHING.
It means I'm a published writer. And, yes. The way I delivered it was supposed to be funny. I'm sorry you have no sense of humour. Ask your doctor for a prosthetic one.
@PluralOfEverything because its RACIST not patriotic towards his religion. it wouldnt matter if he was buddist muslim or athiest he still had reasons to hate the jews and used those excuses for political gain. to say the holocaust was over religion would be ignorant. jews werent the only ones in the holocaust. gays mentally retarded physically retarded gypsies poles slavs the whole like. world war two had zero thing to do with religion vs religion. it was corruption against groups of ppl
@MrMeineNamen In Hitler's Germany, racism was patriotism, and since they used religion to justify what they were doing ("Gott mit uns"), that put religion into it as well. We can't really presume to know what Hitler's real motivations were, but the soldiers were told that their actions were sanctioned by Yahweh.
But all that's really beside the point. While he did bad things, he also did some good things. Did you know that he didn't drink, smoke, or eat meat?
@PluralOfEverything Gott mit uns means God with us... like for good luck... like every other military in the world says. the motivations of hitlers final solution was his lust for manipulation and defiance over germany. his ploy for political powers and moral and someone to blame to fuel his fire of domination. this is support by several SS and personal documents of the Third Reich in ww2 to it is a safe bet that a scape goat is not the same as religious motivation but i get how 1 could see that
@MrMeineNamen We're getting way off track, and I blame myself for encouraging you to focus on something other than the point. If Hitler doesn't get a free pass because of the good things he did for Germany, then the catholic church doesn't get a free pass for any of the good things it's done either.
@PluralOfEverything i never said they did. but that wouldnt be fair to the rest of mankind then would it? iv done a lot of good and bad things in my life but the world shouldnt spit on me because of the bad things. now of course i am not saying in anyway we should be happy for hitler but you see my point right?
...then you weren't a very "moral" person to begin with. Just because you follow a certain religion doesn't mean you are suddenly "moral" and doing "good things". Just in the same way that if you don't follow a certain religion doesn't mean you're "immoral" or doing "bad things".
There is this misconception that "religion" and following "God's" word makes you a good person and you do good things. I've argued with people who've said point blank that you can't be moral or do good things without "God". Some people have said this as a defense for their beliefs. Believe it or not, you can be a "good" person without "religion". And, if you think about it, it's kind of asinine to claim otherwise. If you really need to read and follow what a book says to be considered "moral"...
The only good I've ever personally seen religion do is making a few select families really happy. But, with everything else that's happened, a few happy families doesn't outweigh the millions of suffering families out there that are getting sick because of religious beliefs.
I've heard him say both of those things are true, so maybe it depends on the day. But, the big question is, does it really matter? It's not like it adds to or takes away from his videos.
you're missing the main argument. the mistake being made is thinking the "benefits" of believing in god is the same as a friggin STATISTIC of what believers do. so even if that argument does defend your church it doesn't in any way defend you RELIGION
Actually religeon isnt anymore charitable than Athiesm or the contributions of random religeous ppl who are buddist, wiccan whatver. It just so happens these latter groups dont feel a need to carry out charity on behalf of their religeon or use it as a means of legitimising their belief system.
What if he hands me a white chocolate macadamia nut cookie? I'd have a hard time not forgiving anyone of anything after they hand me one of those. They are delicious.
Look, you have the right to believe what you want, but please stop attacking what other people believe. It comes off unnecessarily malicious and offensive.
Uh...it's highly amusing "listening" to KTK401 and caligulaincarnate swapping words with each other. Caligula? Seriously? That was an evil man in thename of religion! LOL!!
God forbid anybody point out that the Christians preventing condom distribution anywhere has contributed to the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
Thank you again for another lucid, rational, & sensible video on a difficult subject for most to discuss.
I am a firm believer that every human needs a spiritual belief system. But I despise organized religion. Faith can be great. But faithful people in large numbers being led by the power hungry is a dangerous situation. But then anyone being led by the power hungry is a dangerous situation. Better to not be led.
Ok first why don't you get off the churches back. We have been doing good deeds for hundreds of years. Simply because we hold to our moral teaching and don't flip flop on them like some others do does not mean that we are not a good organization. We have taken responibility for the abuse that happened in the past. We are moving on and everyone should do the same. We are not against stem cell research we are against embryonic stem cell research.
Such as what? Lets see we dn't supportthe slaughter of babies for science. We don't support gay marriage because it undermines the family. How can two men have children and create a family which is the whole point of marriage. We don't believein the useof condoms and birth controle becausse the bible tells us that it is a sin for amn to use his sperm without the intent to have a child. These are just some of the belifes we hold on to.
"Lets see we dn't supportthe slaughter of babies for science."
Embryos aren't babies. Embryos are embryos.
"We don't support gay marriage because it undermines the family."
No it doesn't. Gay people are a part of families and form families. There is no "the family" that they could possibly harm by doing so. And no, having children is not a singular, exclusive "the whole point" of marriage.
By the way, just because some book says something is a "sin" doesn't make it so.
To destroy an embryo is to destroy something that can create a child. There are labs that abort babies to use the stem cells.
Gay marriage does undermine the family. Simply because the coupl comes from a family does not make them a family. A diamond comes from coal. But does that make the diamond a piece of coal? NO. Two people of the same sex can not start a family of thier own. MArriage is about a man and a women coming to gether to sar a new family.
"To destroy an embryo is to destroy something that can create a child."
To stop two people from having sex is to "destroy something that can create a child", but apparently your church doesn't have any problem discouraging people from that.
"Gay marriage does undermine the family."
You heterosexuals do not have some monopoly on family. We marry and we form families and sometimes we even raise kids. Our families in no way diminish your families. So stop trying to denigrate ours.
How do we stop two people from having sex? We don't believe in sex before marriage because sex should be between a husband and wife. It is a sacred union.
How can two men or two women have a family of their own? It does diminish our family because it's saying that your marriage is the same when it's not. Our marriages our approved and blessed by God. The when GAy marriage is approved you all will want the Catholic church to allow you to get married in the church. and when we refuse u'll sue
There is no God, and there is no God blessing anyone's marriages. There is no God who prefers some people's marriages over other people's marriages. If you want to pretend your marriage is superior to other people's marriages just because you happen to be a heterosexual, that's your prerogative -- but you have no right to force your restrictions on everyone else and decide that WE can't get married just because YOU don't want us to. And no, nobody can sue to be married in a church.
Actually there was a case where two men sued the church for discremination because the church refused to allow the men to be married in the church. Second there is a God and hes the one who gave you life and you would do best to give respect. It's not just me it's actually most of the country. And if you don't like the fact that religion plays a role in ou gvernment then maybe you should go to another country that wasn't founded off of religion.
That's like saying because heterosexual marriage is legal, straight people will sue churches to be allowed to marry there. That's simply not true. Churches are allowed to set their own conditions for who is allowed to use their facilities for weddings and the like. As a Catholic, I'm sure you are aware of that.
The United States was not founded on any religion. Just because some people agree with you, it doesn't give you the right to decide whether others can marry. That's not up to you.
I am aware of that fact and that why the gay men lost. That did nt however stop them from sueing. Althouh our country was not founded off of any one religion. Religion played a huge role in te founding of our country. read the declaration of independence, and why do you thinkthe frist ammendment is about religion. Andconsidering that I vote the fact of gay marriage is upt to me and all the other voter out there considering that a law can not be passed with out our concent.
The first amendment includes freedom of religion. That means we can each practice our respective religions without being compelled to practice other religions. Consequently, we can't force our religion on others. Do you think it would be acceptable to force anyone who wants a divorce to get an annulment through the Catholic church? If not, why do you think it's okay to tell people THEY can't get married because of what YOU believe? Also, gay marriage bans can be overturned by court rulings.
And no, there's still no God. Life is a natural process that does not require the intervention of supernatural forces. And if I were to respect anyone's concept of god, yours would be roughly last on the list for the way you use it to interfere with secular law and justify your own biases while hiding behind an imaginary deity.
Sorry to tell you this but first i do not allow myfaith to influence my political views. second all the major religions do not approve of gay marriage.
You cite your marriage as having the approval of God (and presumably others' marriages don't) and you think other people marrying will affect your church (it won't) and you say your religion has nothing to do with your politics. Is that about it?
Religion, in general, may have a problem with gay marriage. But religion is what is wrong here -- not gay marriage.
I said nothing about my church. I said that gay marriage undermines the famly. I was not just talking about Catholic marriages but all marriages. Second we only have Catholics who get divorced get annulments.Alo court rulings can get overturned by the people if the cout ruling goes against the states constitution like here in Wisconsin our constitution says that marriage is between a man and a women. So when the courts passed gay marriage the poeple had the courts overturn their decision.
We. Have. Marriages. We are included in "all marriages". Stop acting like we aren't a part of that. We can already marry in many jurisdictions. And our families have done nothing to "undermine" anyone else's families. Stop treating us like an enemy. If only Catholics need annulments, then why don't you just say that only Catholics can't have same-sex marriages? Also, even amendments can be overruled; this is the subject of a current federal trial.
First off I never said only Catholic need annulments. There are many church that do not believe in divorce and have their people get annulments. Most state don't allow gay mariage even in Claifornia they over ruled gay marriage. I am not against gay people thechurch teaches tolerance with them. I infact have a gy uncle. I just don not feel that gay marriage is a good thing. Yo u are not "all marriages" seeing as in my state your marriage would not be considered legal.
No, the problem is that you refer to "all marriages" as if gay people marrying pose a threat to them. In that sense, you're using "all marriages" when you only mean "heterosexual marriages". Your marriages are no more of a marriage than our marriages. A marriage does not become somehow more of a marriage just because it's between heterosexuals. Being heterosexual doesn't make your relationship more special than others.
A heterosexual marriage is more special then gay marriage.They are more then yours did you know that the two men who fought tooth and nail to get gay marriage passed in Massachusetts got divorced two weeks after gay marriage was passed. Sorry but that to me doesn't sound like gay marriage is any better.
And heterosexuals may get divorced a full 50% (or more) of the time, but you don't see anyone rushing to ban heterosexual marriage. You seek to impose a standard upon gay people that isn't imposed upon straight people. That's anti-gay discrimination. We don't have to be "any better" than heterosexuals.
What you're saying here is you want to prevent people from formalizing their committed, monogamous relationships... because sometimes people get divorced? You won't even give them that chance?
That not anti-gay discrimination. By saying that the two en who wanted to get married so bad fought for it then when they could they get divorced two weeks later is anti-gay discrimination? No you don't have to be better but you do have to be the same and your not.
Some people might not be as devoted as they should be, so you want to stop ANY of us from marrying, even those of us who are indeed going to form lasting bonds.
Is that seriously what you're proposing? Do you realize this makes you a horrible person?
Again, no aspect of heterosexual marriages makes them deserving of some special status that is withheld from us.
No it does not make me a bad person it make me a person who stands by his religious belifes. Im sorry if it offends you but then you should not hve chosen this life style.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can stand by your beliefs and still be a bad person. You can be a bad person precisely *because* you stand by certain beliefs.
By the way, even if it were a choice, people have the right to make that choice regardless. But I'd be really interested to know, when did you choose to be a heterosexual? And why? (And how, at that?)
It is a choice. People who chose to be gay do so because they wish to be different. I have aways chosen the heterosexual way of life. Because Ik that this was the wa of life tat God approved of.
That's right I could have if I wanted to but Im not interested in that type of life style. It does not appeal to me.But if I truly wanted to I would have.
If it doesn't appeal to you, and you don't want to, then how can you say it's a choice? Did you choose whether or not it appeals to you, or whether you want it or not?
Even if you were providing a truthful account of your experience, which I very much doubt, it is not an accurate representation of how sexual orientation works. Do you have any idea how many years I and other gay people have had to spend, pretending to be straight? Heterosexuality isn't something you "acquire" after enough practice. In reality, you've already admitted you don't have gay inclinations in the first place -- you aren't interested, it doesn't appeal to you, you just don't want to.
Who is askingyou to hide being gay. beinggay is not te problem. I have no problem with gy people. I have many friends who are gay, and two....well one uncle who is gay and fighting HIV. I respect gay people. However I do not agree that gay marriage is something that can not happen.
@79743618 you area complete idiot the first ammedment may be because of religeon but using it to say our government is founded off religeon well if that was it then why would we also have "seperation of church and state" and lastly it is saying something negative so using it in a positive way is stupid you are truly an idiot
Seperation of Church and State was not started to keep religion out of government but to keep the governemnt out of religion. TAke England for example. The Monarch of England is head of the Church of England, during the days when our country was founded the King would use that to his advantage. He would tell the priests of the Church of England to preach the way he wanted them to. Our founding fathers didn't like this so they made sure that it wouldnt happen here.
@79743618 yes you make a good point aobut england however i wasnt talking about england so you have made no reply or you dont understand what i was talking about i was tlaking about using the saying jesus told me to as being not used in government
Who said we can't use it in governement? Seperation of Church and state doesnt mean we are not allowed to let our religious beliefs influence how we vote. The reason we have seperation of church and state is so that the state can not controle the church like in England. So your whole argument that we have seperation of church and state does nothing for you.
@79743618 and your whole argument of not understanding a coment as being an argument is useless you arent makign any point and what are you accomplishing here you rnot going to change my view so why are you trying to reply with acoment saying just because you dont understand what iu am saying dosnt mean it is wrong and what does it matter still you arent goign to change my view and i know i wont change yours so im just going to not reply any more good bye
79743whatever, there are churches that perform gay marriage, religious freedom. Marriage is recognition of a relationship. Parents is the procreation thing. You don't know if a marriage is approved by God, if one does indeed exist. If you don't like gay sex, don't do it. If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry one of the same sex.
Deuteronomy 22:21 "she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you."
@79743618 there are a million (or so i dont spend my time searching the web and government census for days learning EXACTLY how many orphanes this is a good guess for it very close to real number) orfanes that will never have a family and they can be adopted by a gay couple (or anyone else but this is about 7...'s coment here so to say that a gay partenship that adopts 4 shildren arent a family? and why does it matter we arent a religeous country 1st ammendment freedom of religeon and seperayion
I just knew that there would be a mention of the Catholic Church's insane stance that if gay marriage becomes acceptable in D.C. that it will cut its welfare work in response. Thanks for that annotation!
Regrettably, perhaps, the Church did not follow through with this threat. While I'm happy that this means that thousands of people will not go without assistance, it also devalued the immensity of this threat, literally using the homeless and orphans as hostages and pawns. Shame on them!
Another mysterious case of someone deleting all of his posts. I have to wonder why people do this.
I have to repeat Byron Danelius, and it's sort of another way to look at the same issue: "Religion provides the solace for the turmoil that it creates."
Yeah, that's kind of like saying that without women, we wouldn't be here -- so what the hell do you think you're doing, not being a woman?
And no, procreation is not and was never a requirement to be considered a family. Unless you're going to tell everyone with adopted children that they aren't a family. Which would just be dumb.
"The reason you focus on religion is because it specifically forbids your behavior (it is behavior)"
Not really, I hated your ridiculous religious bullshit when I started (go watch my first videos) and I knew it was wrong before I knew I was gay. Bullshit is bullshit no matter how many personal attacks you try to throw at the people who call out your bullshit for what it is. Or, to put it in a way you might understand, "You feel this need to defend this absurdity by lashing out at others".
It's funny because "perversion" isn't a valid moral idea -- only a sort of blacklist uncritically adopted from religious texts as a lazy kind of morality where anything on the list is de facto "immoral". No need to actually think about morality when you can just label something "perversion"!
I think the correct question to ask is "What do you consider "good" and "bad", and why do you consider it so? Some people are raised to think treating women like shit is "good" where others were raised to look at women as goddesses. The basic definition of "good" comes from the bible. The golden rule, the 10 commandments... ect.
Again your sight is not so.. insightful. You are focusing on religion, this is your folly. Like Ritsaart said, it's the individuals, not the religion. I don't care if you are a follower of the flying spaghetti monster. There are people who will do immoral acts all around. It is the people that found those humanist acts, not the religion, not some "God", but the people themselves. You think your eyes are open yet you are blinded by your own ignorance.
Shouldn't you just focus on individuals? The humanistic idea is about the the individual person. It was one of the things that helped the reformation.
Many atheists strongly agree with the humanstic point of view BUT when it comes to religion: let's forget about all that and just focus on bashing religion with stupid arguments.
All religion is bad blablabla. Jesus Christ even forgave the men that crucified Him! Think again atheists.
@Ritsaart atheists don't know that in fact according to the designers of this plan, are on the chopping block as the last group made to WORSHIP Lucifer according to documented statements by the planners....literally worship Lucifer or die are the choices once the other religious groups are subjugated.
An olive branch in one hand, and a gun in the other.
In terms of Christianity, good is supposed to be done regardless of anything else. If you're going to open a soup kitchen, then you should do it without any ridiculous stipulations.
Similar God-like descriptions are encountered in the All-Creating King Tantra (Kunjed Gyalpo Tantra), where the universal Mind of Awakening (in its mode as "Samantabhadra Buddha") declares of itself:[60] I am the core of all that exists. I am the seed of all that exists. I am the cause of all that exists. I am the trunk of all that exists. I am the foundation of all that exists. I am the root of existence.
I am "the core" because I contain all phenomena. I am "the seed" because I give birth to everything. I am "the cause" because all comes from me. I am "the trunk" because the ramifications of every event sprout from me. I am "the foundation" because all abides in me. I am called "the root" because I am everything.
The Tantric text The Sarva-Tathagata-Tattva-Samgraha characterizes Vairocana as follows He is universal Goodness, beneficial destroyer of suffering, the great Lord of Happiness, sky womb, Great Luminosity, the great All-perceiving Lord, He is without beginning or end, He is Vishnu [God] Protector of the world, the sky, the earth, The elements, the good benefactor of beings, All things, the Blessed Rest, Eternal, The Self of all the Buddhas, Pre-eminent over all & master of the world
In the Mahavairocana Sutra, the essence of Vairocana, who is viewed in that scripture as the supreme Buddha, is said to be symbolised by the letter "A", which is claimed to reside in the hearts of all beings and of which Buddha Vairocana declares that "[the mystic letter A] is placed in the heart location:[58] it is Lord and Master of all, and it pervades entirely all the animate and inanimate. 'A' is the highest life-energy ...
The text refers to Vairocana Buddha as the "Bhagavat" ("Blessed One," a term traditionally linked in Indian discourse with "the Divine"), "Master of the Dharma, the Sage who is completely perfect, who is all-pervasive, who encompasses all world systems, who is All-Knowing, the Lord Vairocana".[59]
hey mcowain,where is the harm in allowing gay marriage ? i'll bet you're against it.not allowing it is a resriction of the freedoms the rest of the population enjoys .its not about marriage dumbass it's about equality
It's harmful because it furthers no legitimate interest, and only serves to impose discrimination and inequality upon the populace. There are no benefits to it, it only causes trouble.
You really are pathetic if all you can do is insult without basic understanding of theology and atheism.
And you apparantly care since you keep coming at me. But I'll play along for fun. Just accept your wrong and actually pick up a book for once. please, before you make yourself look more idiotice than you do now.
@caligulaincarnate God you're an idiot. You truly are. I am twice your age and have travelled the world and studied comparative religion and you are trying to lecture me. Haypenny was right, you are utterly clueless on this subject.
Look, if you want to believe that there is no God and want to believe in "fairies from outer space - extra terrestrial fairies" or whatever, fine, go ahead and do so, but don't call Buddhists and Shinto believers atheists just because you are so damned stupid!
@KTK401 It took you this long to respond to something over 6 months ago? A fool can travel the world and lie about what he knows. Shintos don't beleive in a god and most buddhists don't believe in god, I don't care if you're too ignorant to understand that.
Listen moron, Shintoists believe in "gods" and MOST Buddhists do believe in God, that is to say Buddhists in the far east - not the phony "buddhists" you have seen in America and American so called "buddhists" on the internet!
In additition, the majority of Buddhists in the world are Mahayana Buddhists and that sect clearly lays out their belief in "God"
If you had bothered to read up on the subject before blathering you wouldn't look so stupid now!
@KTK401 Like I said, GET EDUCATED. And stop using baseless and pointless personal attacks to distract from the fact you don't know what you're talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about - you didn't study this subject and picked up garbage from on the internet, now you are here pontificating on a subject you are clueless about.
Just go back to your bong and be quiet boy! hahahaha!
You truly have gone mad! You have lied to everyone here. You claimed to be knowledgeable on this subject and now you have come unstuck all you are doing is blathering, and talking about space alien fairies!
lol!
No boy, I finished college when you were in your diapers!
@caligulaincarnate Face it idiot, youa re the one who needs an education since even by your own pathetic admission you never went to college, so it's pretty laughable to rant "get an education" when you are the one who needs one.
@KTK401 I don't see your point, you're just making baseless assertions, but you are right one thing: It is laughable to tell others to get an education when you don't have one. It's also laughable to insult people on their intelligence when you aren't very smart yourself. So I would suggest, take your own advice, and GET AN EDUCATION. Oh and I already said I'm 6'3, remember? That's not little.
@caligulaincarnate You are correct to repeat the advice I gave you. Well done and have a cookie boy!
Now go apply for college sunshine
You might be 6'3" or 7'4" but you are little because you think small and never bothered to get an education (or didn't they let you into college? haha!)
People's religion is a reflection of who they are and what they believe about society.
The majority of earth's religions (atleast in educated and informed portions of the globe) don't accept a "creationist story". That's something anti-theist's keep portraying them as being to gain leverage in debates
the VAST majority of people around the world reject homosexuality in their society. You can blame it on their religion, but they do. I'm not for or against it, i'm just stating the facts.
There is no such thing as a perfectly moral human.The fact that humans have a moral sense is in itself remarkable.Religious zealotry or extremism is not confined to members of organized religion.Whether religion exists in a society or not, is no guarantor of peace.There can never be a Utopia, however societies which allow the free practice of whatever belief, or non-belief, the individual chooses are historically more successful than those that force only one religion or shun all religion.
I haven't seen any country or society that condones all religion, but the more secular a country is(meaning the less religion it has) the more productive the society, and the lower the crime. Just look at Sweden and Japan. And Denmark, I think.
Ultimately, it's the HUMANS who either do good, donate to charities and produce great art or start wars, discriminate others and obstruct progress, because of certain traits these humans posses. Alone the fact that people belonging to the same religion can do the entire spectrum of good or bad proves that religion has nothing to do with it! I doesn't make you better, nor is it an excuse to be an asshole. Sure, it can make ppl happy, and that's good, but not if your hapiness is archieved through
KendrixTermina 2 months ago
the suffering of others - then you're just an asshole, religious our not.
KendrixTermina 2 months ago
i cannot believe how ignorant so many athiests can be in the comments below and think its a point to be made... hypocrites...
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
You know who else did a lot of good things? Adolf Hitler. But, you know, there's something about killing millions of Jews that sort of makes people forget about those good things. I know, I should be above the Hitler references, but I'm not. I'm a comedian, so I get a free pass. It's actually in my job description.
TheCeejReturns 7 months ago
@TheCeejReturns hitler didnt do it for religion. do some history homework. he was a corrupt imperial dictator. he did everything he could to be looked well upon and blamed anyone he could. he was personally racist towards jews. he was one of the most unreligious of his bloodline
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen
That statement is so stupidly presumptuous and ill-informed (not to mention unrelated to my post), that I'm not even going to justify it with a response. Oh wait.
TheCeejReturns 4 months ago
@TheCeejReturns then obviously you have yet to do your history homework. come back when your done k?
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen
You just keep saying that over and over again. It's the only thing you have to say. I'm sorry your mother dropped you on your head as a child, but don't take it out on me.
TheCeejReturns 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen
Just so you know, you can't rebut a point you don't understand. So, take your own advice and... Hell, you know.
TheCeejReturns 4 months ago
@TheCeejReturns i like how you spit mindless attacks when i actually have a point you cant pull your head out of your butt to accept
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen
I can't even figure out what you're on about and how it relates at all to anything I've ever said ever. If you have a good point, then you're horribly inarticulate because you haven't really said anything. I thought you didn't understand what I was saying, but I was wrong. You don't understand what YOU'RE saying.
TheCeejReturns 4 months ago
@TheCeejReturns i like how you right a full comment about hitler and dont understand what i was getting at xD big fail buddy learn to listen to yourself
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen
I don't understand what you were saying for the same reason that YOU don't understand what you were saying. You said a lot of words, but you didn't say ANYTHING.
TheCeejReturns 4 months ago
@TheCeejReturns lol ok iv come to a pretty firm conclusion you have the reading level of a first grader
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen
Someone forgot to tell my publisher that, then. And the 100,000+ readers of my column.
TheCeejReturns 4 months ago
@TheCeejReturns what does that even mean? was it supposed to be funny?
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen
It means I'm a published writer. And, yes. The way I delivered it was supposed to be funny. I'm sorry you have no sense of humour. Ask your doctor for a prosthetic one.
TheCeejReturns 4 months ago
@TheCeejReturns that... oooooor your just not a funny comedian :/ watched some of your channel views. dry humor isnt good humor btw
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen
You know, I don't bite people's attempts to insult me for the sake of insulting me.
TheCeejReturns 4 months ago
@TheCeejReturns hypocrite. and yet u still comment back?
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen
Whatever.
TheCeejReturns 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen How does being racist toward jews make him unreligious?
PluralOfEverything 4 months ago
@PluralOfEverything because its RACIST not patriotic towards his religion. it wouldnt matter if he was buddist muslim or athiest he still had reasons to hate the jews and used those excuses for political gain. to say the holocaust was over religion would be ignorant. jews werent the only ones in the holocaust. gays mentally retarded physically retarded gypsies poles slavs the whole like. world war two had zero thing to do with religion vs religion. it was corruption against groups of ppl
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen In Hitler's Germany, racism was patriotism, and since they used religion to justify what they were doing ("Gott mit uns"), that put religion into it as well. We can't really presume to know what Hitler's real motivations were, but the soldiers were told that their actions were sanctioned by Yahweh.
But all that's really beside the point. While he did bad things, he also did some good things. Did you know that he didn't drink, smoke, or eat meat?
PluralOfEverything 4 months ago
@PluralOfEverything Gott mit uns means God with us... like for good luck... like every other military in the world says. the motivations of hitlers final solution was his lust for manipulation and defiance over germany. his ploy for political powers and moral and someone to blame to fuel his fire of domination. this is support by several SS and personal documents of the Third Reich in ww2 to it is a safe bet that a scape goat is not the same as religious motivation but i get how 1 could see that
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
@MrMeineNamen We're getting way off track, and I blame myself for encouraging you to focus on something other than the point. If Hitler doesn't get a free pass because of the good things he did for Germany, then the catholic church doesn't get a free pass for any of the good things it's done either.
PluralOfEverything 4 months ago
@PluralOfEverything i never said they did. but that wouldnt be fair to the rest of mankind then would it? iv done a lot of good and bad things in my life but the world shouldnt spit on me because of the bad things. now of course i am not saying in anyway we should be happy for hitler but you see my point right?
MrMeineNamen 4 months ago
...then you weren't a very "moral" person to begin with. Just because you follow a certain religion doesn't mean you are suddenly "moral" and doing "good things". Just in the same way that if you don't follow a certain religion doesn't mean you're "immoral" or doing "bad things".
DiverseEquality19 10 months ago
There is this misconception that "religion" and following "God's" word makes you a good person and you do good things. I've argued with people who've said point blank that you can't be moral or do good things without "God". Some people have said this as a defense for their beliefs. Believe it or not, you can be a "good" person without "religion". And, if you think about it, it's kind of asinine to claim otherwise. If you really need to read and follow what a book says to be considered "moral"...
DiverseEquality19 10 months ago
The Moral Balance Sheet
nerdboy32121 10 months ago
The only good I've ever personally seen religion do is making a few select families really happy. But, with everything else that's happened, a few happy families doesn't outweigh the millions of suffering families out there that are getting sick because of religious beliefs.
jjuggaloparkour 11 months ago
Not trying to be rude or anything, but are you transexual or just making a joke with the clothes and the lipstick? :D
aFinnsTheory 11 months ago
@aFinnsTheory
I've heard him say both of those things are true, so maybe it depends on the day. But, the big question is, does it really matter? It's not like it adds to or takes away from his videos.
TheCeejReturns 7 months ago
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Religion does not cause war. Satan causes war
MJacksonFakeDeath 1 year ago
you're missing the main argument. the mistake being made is thinking the "benefits" of believing in god is the same as a friggin STATISTIC of what believers do. so even if that argument does defend your church it doesn't in any way defend you RELIGION
wellguesswhatIthink 1 year ago
Actually religeon isnt anymore charitable than Athiesm or the contributions of random religeous ppl who are buddist, wiccan whatver. It just so happens these latter groups dont feel a need to carry out charity on behalf of their religeon or use it as a means of legitimising their belief system.
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
Ouch, my eyes!
Jesses001 1 year ago
As I like to say about cases like this: "Just because a rapist hands you a cake after he violates you, it doesn't excuse the transgression."
MorteMcAdaver 1 year ago
@MorteMcAdaver
What if he hands me a white chocolate macadamia nut cookie? I'd have a hard time not forgiving anyone of anything after they hand me one of those. They are delicious.
TheCeejReturns 4 months ago
Look, you have the right to believe what you want, but please stop attacking what other people believe. It comes off unnecessarily malicious and offensive.
doubledex112233 1 year ago
Uh...it's highly amusing "listening" to KTK401 and caligulaincarnate swapping words with each other. Caligula? Seriously? That was an evil man in thename of religion! LOL!!
compsciguy 1 year ago
@compsciguy hehe!!!
KTK401 1 year ago
The KKK does good things too. But there's a reason why most cities won't let them 'adopt a highway'
buckfushes 1 year ago
@buckfushes
The KKK does good things? R u serious? Please tell me ur joking. Please.
compsciguy 1 year ago
@compsciguy Yeah, the kkk does community service projects, they started a controversy in Missouri when they adopted a highway. Fuck the kkk btw.
buckfushes 1 year ago
Haypenny, well done on your comments (I appreciate that my comment is a little late!)
regards
KTK401 1 year ago
God forbid anybody point out that the Christians preventing condom distribution anywhere has contributed to the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
Thank you again for another lucid, rational, & sensible video on a difficult subject for most to discuss.
ubetcha13 1 year ago
I am a firm believer that every human needs a spiritual belief system. But I despise organized religion. Faith can be great. But faithful people in large numbers being led by the power hungry is a dangerous situation. But then anyone being led by the power hungry is a dangerous situation. Better to not be led.
tetsubo57 1 year ago
why are you reading of the screen?
needmyham7 2 years ago
Ok first why don't you get off the churches back. We have been doing good deeds for hundreds of years. Simply because we hold to our moral teaching and don't flip flop on them like some others do does not mean that we are not a good organization. We have taken responibility for the abuse that happened in the past. We are moving on and everyone should do the same. We are not against stem cell research we are against embryonic stem cell research.
79743618 2 years ago
"Simply because we hold to our moral teaching and don't flip flop on them like some others do"
There's no virtue in holding to a certain position after that position has been shown to be wrong.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Such as what? Lets see we dn't supportthe slaughter of babies for science. We don't support gay marriage because it undermines the family. How can two men have children and create a family which is the whole point of marriage. We don't believein the useof condoms and birth controle becausse the bible tells us that it is a sin for amn to use his sperm without the intent to have a child. These are just some of the belifes we hold on to.
79743618 2 years ago
"Lets see we dn't supportthe slaughter of babies for science."
Embryos aren't babies. Embryos are embryos.
"We don't support gay marriage because it undermines the family."
No it doesn't. Gay people are a part of families and form families. There is no "the family" that they could possibly harm by doing so. And no, having children is not a singular, exclusive "the whole point" of marriage.
By the way, just because some book says something is a "sin" doesn't make it so.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
To destroy an embryo is to destroy something that can create a child. There are labs that abort babies to use the stem cells.
Gay marriage does undermine the family. Simply because the coupl comes from a family does not make them a family. A diamond comes from coal. But does that make the diamond a piece of coal? NO. Two people of the same sex can not start a family of thier own. MArriage is about a man and a women coming to gether to sar a new family.
79743618 2 years ago
"To destroy an embryo is to destroy something that can create a child."
To stop two people from having sex is to "destroy something that can create a child", but apparently your church doesn't have any problem discouraging people from that.
"Gay marriage does undermine the family."
You heterosexuals do not have some monopoly on family. We marry and we form families and sometimes we even raise kids. Our families in no way diminish your families. So stop trying to denigrate ours.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
How do we stop two people from having sex? We don't believe in sex before marriage because sex should be between a husband and wife. It is a sacred union.
How can two men or two women have a family of their own? It does diminish our family because it's saying that your marriage is the same when it's not. Our marriages our approved and blessed by God. The when GAy marriage is approved you all will want the Catholic church to allow you to get married in the church. and when we refuse u'll sue
79743618 2 years ago
There is no God, and there is no God blessing anyone's marriages. There is no God who prefers some people's marriages over other people's marriages. If you want to pretend your marriage is superior to other people's marriages just because you happen to be a heterosexual, that's your prerogative -- but you have no right to force your restrictions on everyone else and decide that WE can't get married just because YOU don't want us to. And no, nobody can sue to be married in a church.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Actually there was a case where two men sued the church for discremination because the church refused to allow the men to be married in the church. Second there is a God and hes the one who gave you life and you would do best to give respect. It's not just me it's actually most of the country. And if you don't like the fact that religion plays a role in ou gvernment then maybe you should go to another country that wasn't founded off of religion.
79743618 2 years ago
That's like saying because heterosexual marriage is legal, straight people will sue churches to be allowed to marry there. That's simply not true. Churches are allowed to set their own conditions for who is allowed to use their facilities for weddings and the like. As a Catholic, I'm sure you are aware of that.
The United States was not founded on any religion. Just because some people agree with you, it doesn't give you the right to decide whether others can marry. That's not up to you.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
I am aware of that fact and that why the gay men lost. That did nt however stop them from sueing. Althouh our country was not founded off of any one religion. Religion played a huge role in te founding of our country. read the declaration of independence, and why do you thinkthe frist ammendment is about religion. Andconsidering that I vote the fact of gay marriage is upt to me and all the other voter out there considering that a law can not be passed with out our concent.
79743618 2 years ago
The first amendment includes freedom of religion. That means we can each practice our respective religions without being compelled to practice other religions. Consequently, we can't force our religion on others. Do you think it would be acceptable to force anyone who wants a divorce to get an annulment through the Catholic church? If not, why do you think it's okay to tell people THEY can't get married because of what YOU believe? Also, gay marriage bans can be overturned by court rulings.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
And no, there's still no God. Life is a natural process that does not require the intervention of supernatural forces. And if I were to respect anyone's concept of god, yours would be roughly last on the list for the way you use it to interfere with secular law and justify your own biases while hiding behind an imaginary deity.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Sorry to tell you this but first i do not allow myfaith to influence my political views. second all the major religions do not approve of gay marriage.
79743618 2 years ago
You cite your marriage as having the approval of God (and presumably others' marriages don't) and you think other people marrying will affect your church (it won't) and you say your religion has nothing to do with your politics. Is that about it?
Religion, in general, may have a problem with gay marriage. But religion is what is wrong here -- not gay marriage.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
I said nothing about my church. I said that gay marriage undermines the famly. I was not just talking about Catholic marriages but all marriages. Second we only have Catholics who get divorced get annulments.Alo court rulings can get overturned by the people if the cout ruling goes against the states constitution like here in Wisconsin our constitution says that marriage is between a man and a women. So when the courts passed gay marriage the poeple had the courts overturn their decision.
79743618 2 years ago
We. Have. Marriages. We are included in "all marriages". Stop acting like we aren't a part of that. We can already marry in many jurisdictions. And our families have done nothing to "undermine" anyone else's families. Stop treating us like an enemy. If only Catholics need annulments, then why don't you just say that only Catholics can't have same-sex marriages? Also, even amendments can be overruled; this is the subject of a current federal trial.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
First off I never said only Catholic need annulments. There are many church that do not believe in divorce and have their people get annulments. Most state don't allow gay mariage even in Claifornia they over ruled gay marriage. I am not against gay people thechurch teaches tolerance with them. I infact have a gy uncle. I just don not feel that gay marriage is a good thing. Yo u are not "all marriages" seeing as in my state your marriage would not be considered legal.
79743618 2 years ago
No, the problem is that you refer to "all marriages" as if gay people marrying pose a threat to them. In that sense, you're using "all marriages" when you only mean "heterosexual marriages". Your marriages are no more of a marriage than our marriages. A marriage does not become somehow more of a marriage just because it's between heterosexuals. Being heterosexual doesn't make your relationship more special than others.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
A heterosexual marriage is more special then gay marriage.They are more then yours did you know that the two men who fought tooth and nail to get gay marriage passed in Massachusetts got divorced two weeks after gay marriage was passed. Sorry but that to me doesn't sound like gay marriage is any better.
79743618 2 years ago
And heterosexuals may get divorced a full 50% (or more) of the time, but you don't see anyone rushing to ban heterosexual marriage. You seek to impose a standard upon gay people that isn't imposed upon straight people. That's anti-gay discrimination. We don't have to be "any better" than heterosexuals.
What you're saying here is you want to prevent people from formalizing their committed, monogamous relationships... because sometimes people get divorced? You won't even give them that chance?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
That not anti-gay discrimination. By saying that the two en who wanted to get married so bad fought for it then when they could they get divorced two weeks later is anti-gay discrimination? No you don't have to be better but you do have to be the same and your not.
79743618 2 years ago
Some people might not be as devoted as they should be, so you want to stop ANY of us from marrying, even those of us who are indeed going to form lasting bonds.
Is that seriously what you're proposing? Do you realize this makes you a horrible person?
Again, no aspect of heterosexual marriages makes them deserving of some special status that is withheld from us.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
No it does not make me a bad person it make me a person who stands by his religious belifes. Im sorry if it offends you but then you should not hve chosen this life style.
79743618 2 years ago
The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can stand by your beliefs and still be a bad person. You can be a bad person precisely *because* you stand by certain beliefs.
By the way, even if it were a choice, people have the right to make that choice regardless. But I'd be really interested to know, when did you choose to be a heterosexual? And why? (And how, at that?)
ZJemptv 2 years ago
It is a choice. People who chose to be gay do so because they wish to be different. I have aways chosen the heterosexual way of life. Because Ik that this was the wa of life tat God approved of.
79743618 2 years ago
Really? So you were able to make a conscious choice of which sex you find attractive -- and you could have just as easily gone either way?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
That's right I could have if I wanted to but Im not interested in that type of life style. It does not appeal to me.But if I truly wanted to I would have.
79743618 2 years ago
If it doesn't appeal to you, and you don't want to, then how can you say it's a choice? Did you choose whether or not it appeals to you, or whether you want it or not?
ZJemptv 2 years ago 4
Both I chose wich life style I want to live out.
79743618 2 years ago
Wouldn't that mean you're just bisexual, and the only thing you're choosing is to limit yourself to a single sex?
ZJemptv 2 years ago 11
No because I have trained myself to no longer have inproper thoughts
79743618 2 years ago
Even if you were providing a truthful account of your experience, which I very much doubt, it is not an accurate representation of how sexual orientation works. Do you have any idea how many years I and other gay people have had to spend, pretending to be straight? Heterosexuality isn't something you "acquire" after enough practice. In reality, you've already admitted you don't have gay inclinations in the first place -- you aren't interested, it doesn't appeal to you, you just don't want to.
ZJemptv 2 years ago 12
Who is askingyou to hide being gay. beinggay is not te problem. I have no problem with gy people. I have many friends who are gay, and two....well one uncle who is gay and fighting HIV. I respect gay people. However I do not agree that gay marriage is something that can not happen.
79743618 2 years ago
you just said a double negative... so that means you are pro gay marriage?
dsmrider 2 years ago
Yeah I know I had two sentances in my head and I wasn't paying attention. What I meant to say was gay marriage is something that can not happen.
79743618 2 years ago
This implies that being gay or thinking about being gay is an 'improper' thought process. I take exception to that. And I'm straight.
tetsubo57 1 year ago
The only sexuality that makes sense is trysexuality. Try anything once:)
redcloak676 1 year ago
It is a choice we chose which way we want to go. I chose a while ago.
79743618 2 years ago
@79743618 you area complete idiot the first ammedment may be because of religeon but using it to say our government is founded off religeon well if that was it then why would we also have "seperation of church and state" and lastly it is saying something negative so using it in a positive way is stupid you are truly an idiot
cake1834 1 year ago
@cake1834
Seperation of Church and State was not started to keep religion out of government but to keep the governemnt out of religion. TAke England for example. The Monarch of England is head of the Church of England, during the days when our country was founded the King would use that to his advantage. He would tell the priests of the Church of England to preach the way he wanted them to. Our founding fathers didn't like this so they made sure that it wouldnt happen here.
79743618 1 year ago
@79743618 yes you make a good point aobut england however i wasnt talking about england so you have made no reply or you dont understand what i was talking about i was tlaking about using the saying jesus told me to as being not used in government
cake1834 1 year ago
@cake1834
Who said we can't use it in governement? Seperation of Church and state doesnt mean we are not allowed to let our religious beliefs influence how we vote. The reason we have seperation of church and state is so that the state can not controle the church like in England. So your whole argument that we have seperation of church and state does nothing for you.
79743618 1 year ago
@79743618 and your whole argument of not understanding a coment as being an argument is useless you arent makign any point and what are you accomplishing here you rnot going to change my view so why are you trying to reply with acoment saying just because you dont understand what iu am saying dosnt mean it is wrong and what does it matter still you arent goign to change my view and i know i wont change yours so im just going to not reply any more good bye
cake1834 1 year ago
79743whatever, there are churches that perform gay marriage, religious freedom. Marriage is recognition of a relationship. Parents is the procreation thing. You don't know if a marriage is approved by God, if one does indeed exist. If you don't like gay sex, don't do it. If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry one of the same sex.
jimbobubbadj 2 years ago 2
79743whatever, you keep bringing up your bible.
Your teenage daughter has sex with her boyfriend:
Deuteronomy 22:21 "she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you."
jimbobubbadj 2 years ago
That's from the old testimate. Christ started a new covenant. there for that verse has no value to us.
79743618 2 years ago
@79743618 there are a million (or so i dont spend my time searching the web and government census for days learning EXACTLY how many orphanes this is a good guess for it very close to real number) orfanes that will never have a family and they can be adopted by a gay couple (or anyone else but this is about 7...'s coment here so to say that a gay partenship that adopts 4 shildren arent a family? and why does it matter we arent a religeous country 1st ammendment freedom of religeon and seperayion
cake1834 1 year ago
@79743618 of cruch and start (cont. from last coment reply)
cake1834 1 year ago
I just knew that there would be a mention of the Catholic Church's insane stance that if gay marriage becomes acceptable in D.C. that it will cut its welfare work in response. Thanks for that annotation!
Regrettably, perhaps, the Church did not follow through with this threat. While I'm happy that this means that thousands of people will not go without assistance, it also devalued the immensity of this threat, literally using the homeless and orphans as hostages and pawns. Shame on them!
TheGaytheist 2 years ago
girl or boy?
nightvacker 2 years ago
Another mysterious case of someone deleting all of his posts. I have to wonder why people do this.
I have to repeat Byron Danelius, and it's sort of another way to look at the same issue: "Religion provides the solace for the turmoil that it creates."
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haansgruber 2 years ago
Anal sex, in and of itself, is not a moral concern. It's that simple.
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haansgruber 2 years ago
Yeah, that's kind of like saying that without women, we wouldn't be here -- so what the hell do you think you're doing, not being a woman?
And no, procreation is not and was never a requirement to be considered a family. Unless you're going to tell everyone with adopted children that they aren't a family. Which would just be dumb.
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haansgruber 2 years ago
Haans, oh my...I'm wondering how this person uses the toliet...standing or sitting? ouch.
tgambill 2 years ago
I would hate to meet this person in a dark alley.......you can have my watch just don't send me to the gulag...
tgambill 2 years ago 2
"The reason you focus on religion is because it specifically forbids your behavior (it is behavior)"
Not really, I hated your ridiculous religious bullshit when I started (go watch my first videos) and I knew it was wrong before I knew I was gay. Bullshit is bullshit no matter how many personal attacks you try to throw at the people who call out your bullshit for what it is. Or, to put it in a way you might understand, "You feel this need to defend this absurdity by lashing out at others".
ZJemptv 2 years ago
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haansgruber 2 years ago
Thanks for the projection, it's amusing. Typical of religion.
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haansgruber 2 years ago
It's funny because "perversion" isn't a valid moral idea -- only a sort of blacklist uncritically adopted from religious texts as a lazy kind of morality where anything on the list is de facto "immoral". No need to actually think about morality when you can just label something "perversion"!
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haansgruber 2 years ago
That X was a necessary condition for one's existence in no way implies that one is themselves obligated to fulfill condition X. Morality fail.
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haansgruber 2 years ago
I think the correct question to ask is "What do you consider "good" and "bad", and why do you consider it so? Some people are raised to think treating women like shit is "good" where others were raised to look at women as goddesses. The basic definition of "good" comes from the bible. The golden rule, the 10 commandments... ect.
JustCallMeBri 2 years ago
Again your sight is not so.. insightful. You are focusing on religion, this is your folly. Like Ritsaart said, it's the individuals, not the religion. I don't care if you are a follower of the flying spaghetti monster. There are people who will do immoral acts all around. It is the people that found those humanist acts, not the religion, not some "God", but the people themselves. You think your eyes are open yet you are blinded by your own ignorance.
FatalScab 2 years ago
Shouldn't you just focus on individuals? The humanistic idea is about the the individual person. It was one of the things that helped the reformation.
Many atheists strongly agree with the humanstic point of view BUT when it comes to religion: let's forget about all that and just focus on bashing religion with stupid arguments.
All religion is bad blablabla. Jesus Christ even forgave the men that crucified Him! Think again atheists.
Ritsaart 2 years ago
@Ritsaart atheists don't know that in fact according to the designers of this plan, are on the chopping block as the last group made to WORSHIP Lucifer according to documented statements by the planners....literally worship Lucifer or die are the choices once the other religious groups are subjugated.
tgambill 2 years ago 2
Yo this chick is mad annoying.....I hate her voice
mikenice8008 2 years ago
...dude looks like a lady!
KTK401 2 years ago
An olive branch in one hand, and a gun in the other.
In terms of Christianity, good is supposed to be done regardless of anything else. If you're going to open a soup kitchen, then you should do it without any ridiculous stipulations.
vassalofodin 2 years ago
Similar God-like descriptions are encountered in the All-Creating King Tantra (Kunjed Gyalpo Tantra), where the universal Mind of Awakening (in its mode as "Samantabhadra Buddha") declares of itself:[60] I am the core of all that exists. I am the seed of all that exists. I am the cause of all that exists. I am the trunk of all that exists. I am the foundation of all that exists. I am the root of existence.
Continued.....
KTK401 2 years ago
....Continued:
I am "the core" because I contain all phenomena. I am "the seed" because I give birth to everything. I am "the cause" because all comes from me. I am "the trunk" because the ramifications of every event sprout from me. I am "the foundation" because all abides in me. I am called "the root" because I am everything.
KTK401 2 years ago
The Tantric text The Sarva-Tathagata-Tattva-Samgraha characterizes Vairocana as follows He is universal Goodness, beneficial destroyer of suffering, the great Lord of Happiness, sky womb, Great Luminosity, the great All-perceiving Lord, He is without beginning or end, He is Vishnu [God] Protector of the world, the sky, the earth, The elements, the good benefactor of beings, All things, the Blessed Rest, Eternal, The Self of all the Buddhas, Pre-eminent over all & master of the world
KTK401 2 years ago
In the Mahavairocana Sutra, the essence of Vairocana, who is viewed in that scripture as the supreme Buddha, is said to be symbolised by the letter "A", which is claimed to reside in the hearts of all beings and of which Buddha Vairocana declares that "[the mystic letter A] is placed in the heart location:[58] it is Lord and Master of all, and it pervades entirely all the animate and inanimate. 'A' is the highest life-energy ...
KTK401 2 years ago
Vairocana CONTINUED:
The text refers to Vairocana Buddha as the "Bhagavat" ("Blessed One," a term traditionally linked in Indian discourse with "the Divine"), "Master of the Dharma, the Sage who is completely perfect, who is all-pervasive, who encompasses all world systems, who is All-Knowing, the Lord Vairocana".[59]
KTK401 2 years ago
Dude looks like a lady!
KTK401 2 years ago
I do not agree with your beliefs...I am religious
but i do agree with the fact that religious extremists take everything over the limit and do cause more harm than good
by the way, you have great debates...but work on your delivery
it is so monotone i barely think you are believing any of the words you say :S
Shugyo2 2 years ago
hey mcowain,where is the harm in allowing gay marriage ? i'll bet you're against it.not allowing it is a resriction of the freedoms the rest of the population enjoys .its not about marriage dumbass it's about equality
denisleary8 2 years ago
being a gay person is WHO you are. being a christian is WHAT you are cus being a christian is a choice! and being gay isnt! xD
sadguyfoundout1 2 years ago
Banning gay's from getting married... how is that 'harm'. America, you're a fucked up country!
Go choke on a dick you freak.
PS. WTF, you are trying to be a chick obviously, but you look you are trying to be a 55 year old librarian with a fucked up fashion sense!
mcowain 2 years ago
It's harmful because it furthers no legitimate interest, and only serves to impose discrimination and inequality upon the populace. There are no benefits to it, it only causes trouble.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
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Nice video, faggot.
Microwavish 2 years ago
Nice comment, faggot.
caligulaincarnate 2 years ago
Look at your own videos you silly little boy, before you call your intellectual superior a "faggot"
Pathetic drag queen comes up and here and squeaks and you chime in with even more bullshit.
Who cares what you think you have no brain and lack the education to make use of one even if you did!
KTK401 2 years ago
to whom did I call a faggot?
You really are pathetic if all you can do is insult without basic understanding of theology and atheism.
And you apparantly care since you keep coming at me. But I'll play along for fun. Just accept your wrong and actually pick up a book for once. please, before you make yourself look more idiotice than you do now.
caligulaincarnate 2 years ago
@caligulaincarnate God you're an idiot. You truly are. I am twice your age and have travelled the world and studied comparative religion and you are trying to lecture me. Haypenny was right, you are utterly clueless on this subject.
Look, if you want to believe that there is no God and want to believe in "fairies from outer space - extra terrestrial fairies" or whatever, fine, go ahead and do so, but don't call Buddhists and Shinto believers atheists just because you are so damned stupid!
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 It took you this long to respond to something over 6 months ago? A fool can travel the world and lie about what he knows. Shintos don't beleive in a god and most buddhists don't believe in god, I don't care if you're too ignorant to understand that.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate God you;re stupid.
Listen moron, Shintoists believe in "gods" and MOST Buddhists do believe in God, that is to say Buddhists in the far east - not the phony "buddhists" you have seen in America and American so called "buddhists" on the internet!
In additition, the majority of Buddhists in the world are Mahayana Buddhists and that sect clearly lays out their belief in "God"
If you had bothered to read up on the subject before blathering you wouldn't look so stupid now!
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 GET EDUCATED.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate I did halfwit, in college this is what I studied.
Clearly you were not admitted to college!
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 Like I said GET EDUCATED.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate Like I said, you were not admitted to college eh? lol
Try applying again!
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 Like I said, GET EDUCATED. And stop using baseless and pointless personal attacks to distract from the fact you don't know what you're talking about.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate
I know exactly what I'm talking about - you didn't study this subject and picked up garbage from on the internet, now you are here pontificating on a subject you are clueless about.
Just go back to your bong and be quiet boy! hahahaha!
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 Apparently you don't know what you're talking about. GET EDUCATED.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate Just go back to your bong and be quiet boy! hahahaha!
I finished college when you were still in diapers!
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 GET EDUCATED. And don't be a liar.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate Hahahaha!
You truly have gone mad! You have lied to everyone here. You claimed to be knowledgeable on this subject and now you have come unstuck all you are doing is blathering, and talking about space alien fairies!
lol!
No boy, I finished college when you were in your diapers!
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 Like I said, stop lying. GET EDUCATED.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate Like I said, you've gone nuts little man!
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 I'm 6'3. GET EDUCATED.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate Yes and as usual you are too stupid to realize what I meant by "little" you halfwit!
You are a silly little boy! Go away and stop wasting the grown ups' time!
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 I knew what you meant, I just don't care. And you reponded to me, so you're really wasting my time. Grow up, and please, GET AN EDUCATION.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate Face it idiot, youa re the one who needs an education since even by your own pathetic admission you never went to college, so it's pretty laughable to rant "get an education" when you are the one who needs one.
You silly little boy!
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 I don't see your point, you're just making baseless assertions, but you are right one thing: It is laughable to tell others to get an education when you don't have one. It's also laughable to insult people on their intelligence when you aren't very smart yourself. So I would suggest, take your own advice, and GET AN EDUCATION. Oh and I already said I'm 6'3, remember? That's not little.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate You are correct to repeat the advice I gave you. Well done and have a cookie boy!
Now go apply for college sunshine
You might be 6'3" or 7'4" but you are little because you think small and never bothered to get an education (or didn't they let you into college? haha!)
KTK401 1 year ago
@KTK401 There you go with baseless assertions. I have an education, I suggest you get one too. Seriously, GET AN EDUCATION.
caligulaincarnate 1 year ago
@KTK401
You don't have to have a college education to land a good job.
Seriously, you actually believe a piece of paper (degree) will solve all your problems. Not with this economy. Trust me.
compsciguy 1 year ago
@compsciguy Agreed!
KTK401 1 year ago
@caligulaincarnate hahahahahaha! It's like it's your karma to have gone nuts!
KTK401 1 year ago
People's religion is a reflection of who they are and what they believe about society.
The majority of earth's religions (atleast in educated and informed portions of the globe) don't accept a "creationist story". That's something anti-theist's keep portraying them as being to gain leverage in debates
the VAST majority of people around the world reject homosexuality in their society. You can blame it on their religion, but they do. I'm not for or against it, i'm just stating the facts.
Bishop153 2 years ago
There is no such thing as a perfectly moral human.The fact that humans have a moral sense is in itself remarkable.Religious zealotry or extremism is not confined to members of organized religion.Whether religion exists in a society or not, is no guarantor of peace.There can never be a Utopia, however societies which allow the free practice of whatever belief, or non-belief, the individual chooses are historically more successful than those that force only one religion or shun all religion.
haypenny 2 years ago
I haven't seen any country or society that condones all religion, but the more secular a country is(meaning the less religion it has) the more productive the society, and the lower the crime. Just look at Sweden and Japan. And Denmark, I think.
caligulaincarnate 2 years ago