People&Power - Dalai Lama and Trumped - 13 Jan 09 - Part 1

[666AmericanFreedom]

The CIA through its funding of the Dalai Lama and his Tibetan movement is utilizing certain elements of the Buddhist world in one aspect of psychological warfare against China. The Tibetan exiles and their western hypocrite followers are nothing more than useful fools!

[wikct2]

So much for democracy and freedom. To say that Dalai Lama always tell the truth and others are not is just incredible and pathetic. What a fool statement. It is like US that preaching freedom and demacracy to other countries without mutual respect and understanding to the culture and tradition but itself violate human rights all the time but downplay it...

[Sharakinpaix]

I love how the first shopkeeper claimed, "I am not the kind of person who will just blindly believe someone" before following it up with, "Here the Dalai Lama is always the truth." Hypocrisy much?

[aboomtsang]

Dalai lama is one of the best person in this world.he got a Nobel peace prize and lots of preciouse awards.world know what dalai lama act.I accept some of stupid guys like u in this world too.however cheap guys doing always cheap.anyway long live the dalai lama and world need u H.H. gyalwa tenzin gyatso.u r the best in this world.

[leedhi]

With so much effort to eliminate the practice of Dorje Shugden (DS), his practice has only prospered. With the turn of events last year: 1) opening of Shar Ganden Monastery, 2) HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche's proclamation of DS practice by moving to Shar Ganden and 3) the court case, I believe that DS will further flourish. I rejoice&am very grateful to the people who stood for DS for the benefit of all sentient beings so that we have the good fortune to have DS in our lives in the future!

[harrynephew]

is unfair to post such a video which doesn't explain the entire full story. you have to really listen to both sides of the story before making an assumption even.

go checkout dorjeshugden - dot - com

[zamzam24388]

@harrynephew : this is known as "irresponsible reporting"?

[TheDharmaKnight]

101st Gaden Tripa has just retired. HH Gaden Trisur Rinpoche (title given after retirement)and his ladrang has left Gaden Shartse Monastery and JOINED SHAR GADEN.

Read it in the forum at dorjeshugden(dot)com

[DiamondGirl1971]

Where is the compassion? It is horribly sad that HH is put through this.

[closerelative]

It is rather sad to see such a great master and monk brought to court and yet his government continue to discriminate, violate and destroy the lives of others and call themselves Buddhists.

[DuhLie]

lol, look at that tbeg at 2:45.....he seemed to know what and what not to film. heheh, look what they did to the camera....

fuck me, i thought these things only happened in China....clearly, even dalai's cocksuckers use censorship.

[Ganeschar]

routerO1234567 is CCP troll :)

[DuhLie]

damn homie, yo big daddy is gonna go to prison soon. this is just the beginning. that bitch dalai might get away with murder and religious discrimination......but trump? that's his death card right there boooy!

...just my 50 cents

;) ;) ;) (wink wink wink)

[godcreatetheheart]

FOUCK YOU ALL

[reddwarfski]

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[Ganeschar]

hahaha

[router01234567]

Dorje voluteers to protect tibetan buddhism. That is why he is the protector.

[router01234567]

All politics are liers. It is a marketing skill but can't fool people with knowledge.

Dalai Lama is soon replaced by Krampa Lama. This is not a lie

[gurma3]

Where there is God there is Evil, so thats how it is... Doesn't matter whether you are buddhist or christain or muslim..........there is always some one, who is against you......in muslim there is al-Qaeda so in buddhism it's shugten.!!! Dalai Lama will remain as a compassionated and peaceful human being in this earth but in the eye of those evil, they will always see him as a evil..........That's the truth....!!

[chukdong]

If you wish not to follow His Holiness the Dalai Lama then dont practice Tibetan Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhism and the Dalai Lama are the same.

Simple.

Om Mani Padme Hum.

[router01234567]

chukdong ,

"If you wish not to follow His Holiness the Dalai Lama then dont practice Tibetan Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhism and the Dalai Lama are the same.

Simple."

If you agree with Dalai Lama, go live in India. if you agree with "One-China", live in China.

Hahahahahahahhhhhha

[rineiwadandan]

he is ugly evil. he makes himself looks like a god, that is not true religion, what he wants is politic success..Have you seen any pastors are making themselves like jesus...totally bullshit Dalai

[yulialouise]

Propoganda, misundertiteling, everybody is free, H.H Dalai Lama is peacefull. Rest id propaganda, dont believe all you read.

[Sigfrid711]

This is a religious matter that has nothing to do with freedom of speech or human rights.Thus,its logical that the judgment of HHDL and many others around him has far more credentials than the rest.Personally, I have played chess for a long time with his teachings,trying to check them from many angles.Although I dont have any first hand opinion in this case,the math is simple:HHDL knows these issues in depth,and been open minded by nature he HAS TO BE RIGHT about this in the final account.

[DjBazUltra]

Dalai Lama is a Idiot

He is ruining Buddhism

[Sigfrid711]

Reading things like this, help me understand why some lamas exercise extreme compassion for human been. Because we need it! Particularly somebody like you, my friend.

[gudnetus]

Subtitle of the lady in the shop and His Holiness are incorrect. Some words are omitted, deliberate or not. Perhaps spending more time with production is needed.

[floatinghippos]

It's not about propaganda, or controlling information. The issue is very, very simple: The Dalai Lama "claims" to be a great promoter of human rights and religious freedom, and yet at the SAME time, he is publicly banning and encouraging people to throw monks out of monestaries due to their religious beliefs. This is a clear abuse of political power. These facts cannot be reconciled. His actions do not match his words.

[NorthernDancer1111]

Mr Hippo, you seem relatively intelligent albeit completely brainwashed via the NKT and PRC propaganda machine. The fact that this Ghost was worshipped for 500 years by many of the Gelug and Sakya masters goes to show the level of precaution needed. The very lethal danger in this entity is that it is a highly knowledgeable AND malevolent energy. Beware and be warned friends. Your very soul is at stake.

[floatinghippos]

What first hand knowledge do you have of your claim? Do you actually know any Dorje Shugden practitioners... or do you just believe what you are told without examining the information with any sort of logical reasoning. I know many Dorje Shugden practitioners and the idea that they are evil is laughable.... it is as laughable as saying the Dalai Lama was evil when he practiced Dorje Shugden for 40 years. It's even more laughable to say that his teachers Trijang Dorjechange was evil.

[surikanta]

the truth behind the propaganda is out there.

search dalailama*com and tibet*com ...The practitioner of Dorjee Shugden always tried to discredit de Dalai Lama.

Western Shugden Society is a propaganda agency.

[bg24955]

Shugden is the embodiment of Buddha Manjusri.

The word manchu is borrowed from the Sanskrit term Manjusri, because Manchu people and imperial court worship Manjusri. Tibetan Buddhism is chinas state religion during the Manchu dynasty. Also, imperial china and Tibet is by and large priest-patron relation.

What message DL tries to send? No more Manchu/chinese deity?

[SauIan]

Chinese soldiers KILLED Pema Tsepak 48 hours ago.

This is it. Beijing has finally lost its mind. It will keep issuing orders to beat people to death, during this run-up to Losar, this run-up to the March anniversary; it is brainless. The Chinese government is proving once and for all it does not understand the Tibetan people, the Tibetan culture, and never will. What idiocy, and what a tragic day.

[NorthernDancer1111]

Well if folks worship satan and have open satanic cults then by all means let's defend the rights of this known malevolent entity called Shugden. There's probably a message to the world as we move increasingly into a materialistic society without regard to consequence of actions and forces unknown when tampered with. This Shugden is a tricky, conniving and ruthless....beware and do your homework properly before talking hot air. The groups which promote Shugden rely heavily money from PRC.

[floatinghippos]

Well accourding to your statement then the Dalai Lama worshipped Satan for 40 years before he happened to change his mind. Sorry, it doesn't add up. This is a mainstream practice that has been around hundreds of years, and was practiced by many of the great Gelugpa Masters. These include ALL of the Dalai Lama's teachers by the way... Trijand Dorjechage, Ling Rinpoche and many others.

[tibinto]

sub title is distorted. Not precise.

[tachiten]

HH the Dalai Lama said many many times that the consequences after detaching the so called diety is unwanted or frightening then he had promised that he can protect U all. So whats the point of keep following that diety. Lets all Tibetan unite and fight for our Fatherland. No cold wars please!!!

[friendoftheworld37]

I love the part of this video where Prime Minister Samdhong says Shugden practitioners are terrorists sponsored by the Chinese...and the reporter says: Shugden practitioners have never been investigated for terrorism...Samdhong is such a liar. The whole Tibetan Government in Exile is full of lying monks.

[kxg]

hey morons..I do wht his holiness the dalai lama says..!! he is my everything....because of him we r here..got it u morons..!!

[floatinghippos]

What the Dalai Lama is doing is a disgrace. He spend his whole life preaching tolerance for all religions, yet is persecuting monks within his own community in Darmasala, and encouraging his follwers to ostrasize Dorje Shugden practitioners all around the world.

It is complete Hypocrisy. The Dalai Lama's actions do not match his words.

[surikanta]

there's much more dust under the rug ... chinese powder I would say. if dalai lama seams hypocritical its because someone made him look that way. control information and you control peoples minds.

[DogshitLama]

Your Holiness needs more followers, I want to brain wash the dumb bastards, so I can suck all your money.

-Your Galitical God King Holiness, The 14th Living Buddha

[Wisdomswords]

How can people trust the public image of the Dalai Lama in the West when he is so tyrannical at home in India? He has had unelected rule for 68 years! As that same woman says:

"If he is really Buddha, if he's really God, he would not create so much problem. He won't give us so much trouble. If he is the Buddha, he would not give any problem to any human being."

"Dalai Lama is being unfair and selfish. He is doing his own wish."

[Wisdomswords]

It is unbelievable that lay people are being ostracized from their communities and monks are being expelled from their monasteries. The Dalai Lama is creating huge disharmony, suffering and even a schism, something Lord Buddha warned against. As one woman says on here: "They have made separate rules for us. They said that no one is supposed to talk to us. And no one is supposed to have any contact with us."

[Dale157]

Whoever watch this video, no matter you follow the Dalai Lama or not, Please ignore this mitchee009 guy, he is trying to link the Dalai Lama with his cult leader Li Hongzhi. Li Hongzhi said gays would be elminated by the Gods, inter-racial relationship is unacceptable, allies are trying to steal our souls, etc... This is reported by America media and confirmed by America Humanist Association, you can google it. Please do not let his guy fool you by putting Li as an equal of Dalai Lama.

[mitchee009]

You are blocked from my channel and you are no longer welcome to slander Falun Gong and Teacher. How dare you turn your back against the Dalai Lama, let alone slander and harshly insult a Righteous Master who teaches people to be good.

I banned you from my channel because you are rude and dont know how to communicate with peope. I never accused you of being an evil CCP spy, but your comments sound like the CCP. No wonder the Dalai Lama said that the Shugden were part of the CCP.

Peace

[Dale157]

Oh yeah, like as if I like to visit your cult channel. You invited me, remember? Btw, I did nothing but tell the truth about Falun Gong, and all the references I provided were from the west. They all proved your Falun Gong is nothing but a cult.

Look at all the discussion we have had, who is the rude one here? who is the desperate one here? who is the one trying to piss others by using dirty words. who is the one trying to insult others if they don't agree with you?

[mitchee009]

The Dalai Lama has fully supported that these Shugden monks be expelled and now I see why. You call yourself a supporter of the Dalai Lama, but you are the Hypocrite my dear. Shugden followers "have resorted to killing and beating people" "and tell endless lies", and I see this in you. It is no good and now you Dare to spread lies about peaceful practice of Falun Gong, something of which you have NEVER had the courage to even practice before actually saying. It is Shameful, and I pity you.

[Dale157]

You are crazy. You don't read what I said yet you keep arguing with me, the same as you never really watched this video but you left many comments.

I said I support the freedom of Tibetan people. I did not say a am a supporter of Dalai Lama. When and where did i say I am a Shugden follower? You kept accusing Shugden followers, I simply ask you to provide evidence. Any evidence would do. But you can't, that again proves you are a liar. In fact, you probably don't know what is Shugden at all.

[Dale157]

I spread lies about Falun Gong? or I tell the truth about Falun Gong? I have never talked with anyone about Falun Gong on youtube except you. How is that spreading lies? I simply said there is report from American Humanist Association listing their reasons why they don't support Falun Gong. Your anti-gay, anti-interracial cult who brainwash people that allies are stealing our souls and your followers would not age, etc..

I am sorry I hurt you by telling the truth. Shame on yourself, mitchee009

[mitchee009]

Dale, you can go on and on and on cant you with slandering a peaceful practice, and calling it a "sinister cult". You can slander the Dalai Lama and call Teacher names, and you think you are proving your point? You said it yourself. You have never talked to anyone about Falun Gong, you have never practiced Falun Gong, you have never deeply looked into Falun Gong. I will not dare talk on behalf of Master Li Hongzhi. Teacher Li and the Dalai Lama are True Masters of the Way.

[Dale157]

again and again, you keep lying and keep twisting facts and do dirty tricks. When did I　say I never talked to anyone about Falun Gong? You said i spread lies, I said i never talked to anyone about Falun Gong on YOUTUBE except you. I have read your Falun Gong books and I find it incorrect, offensive and brainwashing. Then why the hell do i want to practice it? To follow a cult and be brainwashed like you?

Warning again, do not honor yourself by putting your cult together with Dalai Lama.

[mitchee009]

So you have read in their entirety, Zhuan Falun and studied Master Li's lectures have you? You have practiced the Exercises too? And you still consider our practice a cult? This is your decision and no one has the right to choose for you. When you talk to other practitioners, what have they said about your low level understanding?

[mitchee009]

I know nothing about Shugden or Guanyin sects, but i tell you this,that from my limited understanding and enlightenment,that by creating some sect or religion out of thin air or under an "Umbrella organization" with no Master to guide you, who has been ordained by the Universe, well this is practicing evil cultivation and this person is destined to retribution.

That is why the Dalai Lama is against Shugden sect,because this is what happened,just like the Guanyin sect causing trouble.

[mitchee009]

Let me explain myself a little more. I told you that Falun Gong is not anti-gay, nor does it hate black people, LOL. This is a very very shallow understanding. I dont blame you, because you are not even a practitioner of the way, how can you be so high and mighty and think that you can interprete what Teacher Li, or the Dalai Lama is saying without understanding or studying or being a student of the Buddha School. I dont think you grasp what has been said by either Master.

[Dale157]

Once again, when did I interpret the Dalai Lama? You are playing your dirty old trick again by putting your cult group in one category with Dalai Lama. You are the one who is insulting the Dalai Lama.

About the whether Falun Gong is anti-gay or anti-interracial, just read the Open letter to Falun Gong by American Humanist Association and read Master Li's interview by American medias.

[mitchee009]

Are you a student of the Dalai Lama? is the Dalai Lama your Master? please answer my question. I think you are very confused and lost. I dont blame you. The sham and the righteous are now very difficult to distinguish and if you are a student or follower of the Dalai Lama, his Holiness, then shame on you for being controlled by demonic forces, where you will protest against your own Master. He is very clear about the Shugden cult, very clear what they do. I have learned this principal too.

[Dale157]

now you are really talking crazy!! You should ask yourself these questions and really answer yourself from your heart. How can your follow someone (Master Li) who believes "humankind is degenerating and demons are everywhere" extraterrestrials are everywhere, too and that Africa boasts a 2-billion-year-old nuclear reactor. Who also says he can fly. (Reported by Time Magazine)

[mitchee009]

Because what Master Li says is True, but you cant comprehend Levitation, or the likes involved, because you are not a Practitioner. Anyway, ive tried to speak lightly, because i will probably alarm you more. If you cant handle reading Zhuan Falun, and cant comprehend Dalai Lama's righteous actions on Shugden, I understand why.

Peace be with you my lady.

One day you will change your mind.

At least you support the ending of brutal persecution against the Tibetan people and FLG students. Good.

[Dale157]

I have read Zhuan Falun, even in it's original Chinese version. I think it's nonsense. I still think you have the right to practice it. I am just truly offended by your Master Li's comments. As you can tell, I have never referenced anything from CCP, everything is from western media with high reputations. I don't think none of the western countries i have lived in (Canada, US, UK) want to persecute Falun Gong followers. We just don't accept outrageous ideas to eliminate anyone.

[mitchee009]

I also unblocked you and invited you to be my friend.I see your heart for the Tibetan people and this is wonderful.You are a good person, and im sure if we met it would be a real honor to meet you my lady. It would be better to sit down face to face and chat. Hopefully one day.

Anyway, now im really off to eat and vibe.

Be safe and Love and Peace to you always.I support your cause in stopping the brutal persecution against Tibetans, as i hope you support stopping our students being killed.

[Dale157]

I have not received any friend invitation from you yet. I am definitely against persecution of people because of their religion, even if I don't agree with their belief. That is why I feel bad for those who practice Shudgen. Don't you think what you have accused CCP of doing is what these people is doing to Shugden followers? You said I have a low understanding of Falun Gong, but then you are define Shugden as a cult, I wonder do you even know about it as much as i know about Falun Gong?

[mitchee009]

Lets share with each other and live and love each others hearts and minds. We can share and learn from each other's experiences, my lady. No one should be persecuted. Why did then Dalai Lama say what he said. Are you saying that the Dalai Lama is behind the brutal persecution of the Tibetan people? As a Falun Gong student i always need to step back and observe where i am going wrong first. Examine my own conduct, look at my wrongdoings and correct myself BEFORE i judge others.

[Dale157]

I never said Dalai Lama is behind the persecution on Shugden. But the fact they were being persecuted (possible by Tibetan Roits) just because they don't practice what Dalai Lama want them to practice is terrifying. Some other people here accusing them being CCP spies or agents without providing any evidence are just truly disgusting. They have their rights to follow their religion. And this video just shows that certain people out there should not have a holier than thou attitude towards others

[mitchee009]

Judgement is so wrong, but some things like the CCP are evil. Actually the evil cult in this world IS the CCP. How can they persecute Tibetans and Falun Dafa students? How can the CCP persecute such kind hearted people who only want to try and live up to their spiritual beliefs and attain the Way. I see your heart and i love you.

Blessings and Love to you always. If i was there i would give you a big warm hug.

My birthday is in 2 hours so i am glad i am talking to you.

[Dale157]

the question you have asked "How can the CCP persecute such kind hearted people who only want to try and live up to their spiritual beliefs and attain the Way." should not only be asked to CCP, it should also be asked to anyone who persecute others because of what they belive, including these Tibetans showed in this video.

oh, Happy Birthday!!

[mitchee009]

"Should not only be asked to CCP, it should also be asked to anyone who persecute others because of what they belive, including these Tibetans showed in this video."

You are 101% correct. I totally agree with you.

[mitchee009]

The Dalai Lama is not a Mafia man. If you dont study my teachings, I will punish you? Thats like running the Mafia. As a Falun Gong practitioner, What i have learned from Master, is that Coercion can never change a persons heart, only Compassion can. I know the CCP is somehow behind this all, whatever is going on. Get to the root of it more.

1 Quarter GDP of Mainland China has been used to try and eradicate 100 million Falun Gong practitioners since 1999. The CCP Propaganda control West.

[mitchee009]

The CCP controls more than you know. Consider reading "The Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party".

Talk soon.

Thank you brother for wishing me a happy birthday. I have learnt that lying is bad. A practitioner does not lie, and if he does, he corrects himself.

Anyway, 1 day that a human being should not lie to first himself and then to others is on his Birthday.

Sincerely,

Mitch

[mitchee009]

i just went to your channel and its reading "invite". ;)

[mitchee009]

Falun Gong is not part of Buddhism. It is part of the Buddha School Qigong. Falun Gong is a Upright practice, that is deeply rooted in the principals of Truth, Compassion and Tolerance. Dale, I can talk to you until im blue in the face, but the reality is you dont understand the principal.

As far as the letter and what Master Li said...you keep pushing your point on this... but you still dont understand that there are different levels of understanding and you are seeing things at a low level.

[mitchee009]

You are causing damage by slandering a peaceful practice, that follows the Laws of the Cosmos. Christians are against Homosexual marriage too. The universe does not condone Homosexuality as something upright, but that does not mean that Mercy for all human beings, including "gays" cant be given. Mixing races is not permitted, nor is taking principals from Upright schools of practice and creating cults like the Shugden and Guanyin sect. These cults are practicing evil cultivation.

[Dale157]

Stop playing tricks again by changing words. Not all Christians are against gay marriages, even right wing Christians who are against gay marriages DO NOT think gays should be ELIMINATED by the gods (as Falun Gong belives). Against gay marriage is different from eliminating gays on earth. There is a hugh difference there. One is the right to get married, one is the right to live.

And then again, a cult calling other genuine religion cult is all you are doing now.

[mitchee009]

Tibetan Buddhism, under the Dalai Lama is a righteous school of practice, but Shugden is not and that is why the Dalai Lama has said what he has said. Shugden sect has caused great trouble and that is why he has banned these monks. You first say you support the people of Tibet, then you say you dont support Dalai Lama, but you are missing the whole point.

There is no manipulation in my words, im just trying to clarify that under a Righteous Master, you learn the WAY and the Principals.

[Dale157]

If you want to promote Falun Gong, Promote it on your own page, don't mix your cult with Buddhism.

I am seeing things on low levels? Your Master Li said those words himself when being interviewed by American media. How else can you understand those words? Read them word by word.

[mitchee009]

I study ONLY under Master Li, but from learning for Master, I understand and completely agree with what Dalai Lama is doing. The precepts are universal. But again im ONLY a student of the Way. I have much to learn, and instead of draining each other, we should love each other. More than love, have Compassion and Mercy and that is why I invited you. That is why i invited my Chinese "CCP" friends. Falun Gong teaches to never hate and never have any enemies.

Anyway, im off to eat, talk soon. :)

[mitchee009]

You call me a hyopocrite for being involved in interracial dating, but i dont look at the colour of a skin. I look at the heart.I treat all beings with the greatest of mercy, and I will marry a Woman who is predestined to marry me. Falun Gong has taught me to examine my own conduct and as a student you go through hardship and suffering to learn what is true peace and joy.If you really want to understand Falun Gong, then you should read the lectures and books. If the practice is not for you,ok.

[tictactoe69]

I wish they were really doing that!!!

[Dale157]

madrid23 (17 hours ago)

Our biased anti China western media like the BBC who has idealized the Dalai Lama to the point of deifying the man would never broadcast these reporting story. This reporting just goes to show that in the end everyone has got dirty laundry in their closet. How disenchanting.

[tictactoe69]

In the Nalanda tradition and also in other traditions of Buddhism, there is no worhip of gods, spirits or other things. Buddha said "you must be a light unto yourself".

This leaves no place for god or devil or Shugden. Dalai Lama has corrected this practise. The Chinese government has infiltrated the Tibetan exiles to divide them. Al Jazeera is being used by PRC. Everybody knows PRC links to rogue Islamist propaganda networks.

[Wisdomswords]

It is incorrect to say that the Shugden monks are Chinese sympathizers. They are loyal Tibetans who worked for decades for their people in Tibet and in exile. They include some of the most revered Gelugpa Lamas and other spiritual practitioners of the twentieth century. The Dalai Lama is crazy to ban their religious freedom.

[FlatulenceFox]

Well in that case the Chinese government is an utter and complete basket case for their ban on religious freedoms.

[Wisdomswords]

This persecution has been going on for years. Why has nothing been done about it? When the evidence of persecution is now everywhere, why are more people not questioning the Dalai Lama? Thankfully, Al Jazeera and other news outlets are taking more of an interest in the subject now. Thank you.

[tictactoe69]

Al Jazeera is a part of the Sino-Muslim tie up that includes Al Qaeda. China has been supporting Islamism for a long time and is now using foreign media channels because it has no credibility of its own.

[Wisdomswords]

This report is objective and factual. It does not help your case to slag off Al Jazeera, when their reporting on the subject has been factual, fair and balanced. In any event, you must know that the Dalai Lama himself was born into a Muslim family. And the Dorje Shugden issue has nothing to do with China -- it is Tibetans versus Tibetans.

[tictactoe69]

Everybody knows that China has been supporting Iran and insurgencies in Iraq and also Al Qaeda and is using Al Jazeera. Secondly by banning Shugden, Dalai Lama has corrected the spiritual practise as there are no Gods and Spirits in Buddhism. The Chinese have been trying to divide the Tibetan exiles for a long time so this is nothing new.

[Wisdomswords]

Just repeating the same things does not make you right. Please see earlier posts.

[tictactoe69]

Why don't you contradict me with facts Mr. China? Its already obvious that you know nothing about Buddhism or the Communist Party of China or International affairs.

[tictactoe69]

These monks are Chinese agents. They need to be put in jail and tried for treason.

[Dale157]

provide us some evidence, any kind of links to support your claim, otherwise may be you should be put in jail.

[tictactoe69]

Its an obvious move by China to split the Tibetan Exiles. These Shugden people should be put in jail.

[Dale157]

They should have their voice heard. You are an obvious move by Satan (not the Dalai Lama, because you are not worth it) to repress the Tibetan Exiles and to trash China. You should be put in jail.

[tictactoe69]

There is no Shugden in buddhism so obviously these monks are corrupting Buddhism at the behest of the Chinese. If they are violating the law of the country the country they live in by being Chinese agents, then they should be tried for espionage and other unlawful activities by the police and local government.

[Wisdomswords]

tictactoe, i suggest you do some more research before saying such uneducated things. Dorje Shugden has been relied upon by Buddhists (in Buddhism) for hundreds of years, as a Wisdom Buddha and Dharma Protector. The Dalai Lama's own teachers relied upon this Buddha.

[tictactoe69]

Prominent opponents to the practice have included not only the 5th, 13th and current Dalai Lamas but also the 5th and 8th Panchen Lamas, Dzongsar Khyentse Chokyi Lodro, the 14th and 16th Karmapas among others.

[Dale157]

Are you telling us it's a tradition in the Tibetan Buddhahism to repress others' belife, as long as they don't follow your branch of Tibetan Buddhahism?

[tictactoe69]

Buddhism does not talk about God or spirits like Shugden and since Dalai Lama is a buddhist monk, the correct teaching would be not to mention Shugden. How anybody can mistake this to be repression is a question that can only be answered by Chinese propagandists.

[Dale157]

Even if they are not Buddhism as you claimed, but how can you harass them just because they do not believe in what you believe? If the actions showed in the video is not repression, what is? Do you wish to be treated like that just because you have a different religion? Are you saying Tibetans do not have the right not to choose to follow the Dalai Laman religionsly? I support the freedom of Tibetans, but look at your own comment, who is the real probaganda here?

[mitchee009]

In the Dharma ending period my lady, sham and phony schools have come into society, interfering with the Buddha Law. The Dalai Lama is not my Master. All i know is from my own understanding, that A Righteous school of thought, passed down from generation to generation CANNOT be interfered with. To change or violate a system of teachings because you want to start your own group, is seriously undermining the Way, and these kind of people face retribution.

[Dale157]

Obviously, these people here are NOT trying to break the Buddha Law in any way. They just want to practice what they believe, have you seen them trying to bother anybody else at all? Explain to me, how is violence and harassment tolerable in treating these people? and answer my earlier question, are you saying Tibetans do not have the right not to choose to follow the Dalai Laman religionsly?

[mitchee009]

Hi Dale,

I believe everyone can practice whatever they want in peace and harmony. I want to understand what you are saying... Are you saying that the Dalai Lama is intentionally persecuting these people and brutally hurting denying them freedom? This to me is sheer Nonsense. What is this sect of Buddhism you speak of? Why is the Dalai Lama against it?

[Dale157]

Did you actually watch the video at all? Watch it first before you make a comment.

[mitchee009]

I watched and I agree with the Dalai Lama.

[mitchee009]

It seems that the Dalai Lama is totally against Shugden sect. He says that he is glad these monks are expelled. Is this because they are interfering with an upright practice? This happened in the past you know.

[Dale157]

Upright practice? How would you feel if you are expelled from where you live if some else have a so called upright practice??

[mitchee009]

You did not answer my question. What have you studied about "Practicing One Cultivation Way"? In the past, monks from one monastery were prohibited from even coming into contact with monks from other monasteries. I agree with you, that everyone can practice what he or she wants, but Why did the Dalai Lama expel these Monks of Shugden?

[Dale157]

1. this is the first time you mentioned Falun Gong's "Practicing One Cultivation Way", and you are asking me what I have studied about it? Dude, are you crazy? btw, we are talking Tibetan Buddhism here, don't mixed it with Falun Gong. 2. about the monks who can't contact other monks, what's your point? 3. Why don't you do a research yourself and tell us.

[mitchee009]

Dale, all i am saying is you are causing more Bloodshed to occur towards the Tibetan people, because the CCP is using this protest, to show the world that "Look even the Dalai Lama's followers are against him, lets hurt the Tibetans more". This is what the CCP is about. You are good. You should consider to discern what you are doing. You are adding insult to injury to your own people and you dont even know it.

[Dale157]

I made it very clear, I support the freedom of Tibetan people. But there are right and wrong. I am against the repression of religion caused by CCP in China. I think Tibetan people should choose their future. But I am against all lies, both from CCP media, also from western media, also from people like you. Facts are facts, you should stop twisting the whole thing. Without being honest about it. The Tibet problem will never be solved.

[mitchee009]

Dale, we are both as such a low level of enlightenment, but what i know is that what i have discerned from watching the video about Shugden, is that the Dalai Lama is correct what he says. Think about it: The Dalai Lama is powerful and Enlightened. Why would he preach all these years about selflessness and Compassion, that you have followed, but then turn around and so called "persecute" his own people? You dont understand his level of thought, nor do i, but i believe what he says is a Law.

[mitchee009]

"We are talking about a right to live here. It's not just gay rights, It's the right to live on this planet." You are correct. Think about this, can a monk just one day decide, "hey im going to break away from this Upright Orthodox school of Buddha Law, and start my own sect"All these people who have done this have met with retribution,because it is Against the Law and is practicing evil cultivation.You dont understand the principal because you have not studied the true teachings of the Law.

[Dale157]

Look at how fast you change, an hour ago when we talked on your channel, you are all about Falun Gong, follower of Master Li. Even though they want to eliminate gays by the Gods, against inter-racial relationships, and believe aliens are attempting to overtake human souls. Now you believe Dalai Lama's words is the Law. You do know that Dalai Lama doesn't think aliens are attempting to overtake our souls, right?

[Dale157]

May be the reason you are so against this video is because you are Jewish (as you claimed on your channel). and the publisher of this video is telling the world Israel's action on Gaza. Don't get me wrong, I have lots of Jewish friends, but what's this sudden switch from Master Li to Dalai Lama, You need to know, Tibet Buddhism is actually a real religion, not like some cult who are fooling others by telling lies.

[mitchee009]

First off, please lets not get so emotionally drained here. Judiasm has nothing to do with anything here. Secondly, You are missing the entire point my dear. I have told you why i understand why the Dalai Lama has said what he has said about the Shugden sect. I am a Falun Gong practitioner, but the Law is the Law of the Cosmos. I believe that you are very unenlightened and have given the CCP a clear excuse to persecute MORE Tibetans and More FLG practitioners. How can you be so unenlightened?

[Dale157]

Who said it has anything to do with Judaism, I only said you claimed to be a Jewish guy. Now as i think of it, you are not a Jew, you are only pretending you are Jewish. You are one of those guys paid by Li Hongzhi to promote your cult on the internet. No wonder you keep sending me messages to read your Falun Gong books. Stop putting your cult together with genuine religion like Buddhism. Stop honoring your cult leader Li Hongzhi by putting his name next to Dalai Lama and Mandela.

[mitchee009]

Dale, thanks for the comments. You rhetoric reminds me of these ignorant so called "nationalists" under the CCP. Even though you have admitted that you are not a CCP member or support the CCP, i cant help concern myself about your blatant false and not to mention, groundless accusations about the peaceful spiritual practice, namely Falun Gong. First off, Falun Gong is not a religion and has nothing to do with the Righteous religion of Buddhism.

You have Poor Enlightenment.

[Dale157]

needless to day, you have a poor soul for keep falsely accousing me. Yesterday you accused me for saying Mandela is a terriost, then you accused me for denying the Holocust, and on and on. I am only asking one thing, Point it out where ever did i say those things? Again, if you can't prove it, you are the liar here.

[mitchee009]

Secondly, You have never read any Falun Gong Books, by Teacher Li Hongzhi, who is Honored and rewarded over 1300 health awards. You have never practiced the FLG exercises. All you have is shallow misunderstandings from a letter from a "Humanist Group". 1 Quarter of China's GDP has been used to slander Falun Gong my dear. One letter is nothing. Falun Gong and FLG practitioners have endured unimaginable evil brutality and torture. You know this.

The Dalai Lama banned Shugden sect because

[mitchee009]

Moreover, Shugden is the cult. Its something that has damaged or tried to interfere with a Righteous school of thought. The Dalai Lama said himself, that Shugden are part of the CCP. I believe an upright Master like this, and i have a right to discern what is right and wrong.

To create a another practice that has no Upright Ordained Master, no Upright System of practice and which clearly violates the Law of interfering with an ordained school of thought, will meet with retribution.

[Dale157]

well well well, look at a Falun Gong calling someone else a cult. I don't want to argue with you whether Dalai Lama's comment on Shugden is right or wrong. If you want to know what is a cult, Please read 'an Open letter to Falun Gong', by American Humanist Association. See why they don't support Falun Gong. To name a few, you guys (Falun Gong) want to eliminate all the gays on earth, against inter-racial relationship, believe allies will take away our souls. That is a cult!!

[mitchee009]

You cant just create another practice out of thin air? What sheer nonsense. This causes severe damage to the order of the Law and will meet with punishment. The Dalai Lama was so merciful for doing this. Can't you see his Mercy? And this is YOUR Master i am talking about. How sad that you protest against your own Master.

Wake UP!

[Dale157]

How arrogant are you to call other people's belief out of thin air? If any of these is thin air, it's your Falun Gong cult. And what about my Master? what are you talking about? are you crazy?

[mitchee009]

Just because I practice one Upright School of thought under the banner of Teacher Li Hongzhi, does not mean that I cannot stand up and defend another School of upright thought.

Peace be with you.

Mitch

[Dale157]

It's not that you defend it, it's how you defend it. You can defend the freedom of religion, but you cannot believe in two things at the same time when they are different from each other. You said Dalai Lama's words is the LAW, then as a Falun Gong member, your Master Li's words is also the LAW, so which one do you truly believe? What if there is a conflict? Dalai Lama said the society should tolerant gays and Lesbians, Master Li said they would be eliminated by the Gods. We know who is a cult.

[mitchee009]

I have told you that the Dalai Lama is not my Master. I am a Falun Gong pracititoner. From my own understanding and limited level, i beleive that Each school of thought has different systems and Shugden was banned because it violates these principals that have been past down from a very remote time period. I can defend the Dalai Lama, because i understand what he is doing, because There are Universal Laws that cannot be broken. I just understand the Dalai Lama banning Shugden and agree.

[Dale157]

You are a liar. You are paid by Li Hongzhi to promote your cult and honoring yourself by put his name next to Dalai Lama, Again, the Dalai Lama doesn't want to eliminate anyone from the planet because of their sexual orientation or race, not like your Master Li.

[mitchee009]

You are very foolish to think this and I pity your remarks because you dont understand the realm of thought. Falun Gong is Honorable because it teaches people to be Kind, regardless of sexual orientation, creed, religion. A human being's heart is most precious and Falun Gong teaches to cultivate the heart in order to attain peace and consider others first. Master Li Hongzhi is a good man, just like the Dalai Lama.

Have a very good day my lady.

[Dale157]

look at you, you keep twisiting facts after facts. Li Hongzhi is against gays and inter racial relationship is reported by American media and is a statement given by American Humanist Association. Stop honoring yourself by putting you together with Dalai Lama.

[GermaineIlya]

There is no such thing as the repression of religion caused by CCP. Several cults were banned thats where the repression ends. The members of those cults can go wherever they like no one is banning them from entering shops not like in Dalai Lamas case.

[tictactoe69]

If the Shugden worshippers are in India then nobody can stop them from worshipping as there is full freedom for religious belief in India. However they can be barred from the monastaries which are privately run by different religious sects. This is not a case of state repression. It is atbest an ideological duel. Chinese will obviously attempt to blow this up, which is why they roped in Al Jazeera.

[Dale157]

I understand if some religious sects want to ban the Shugden worshipers from their monasteries. What i don't agree is how they were treated outside of the monasteries because of what they believe. Some other videos on Youtube have shown that they were even treated with violence. I am sure this was not what Dalai Lama wanted, but his ban on Tibetans practice Shugden in 1996 has brought lots of disasters to the followers. That's repression given by Dalai Lama's followers on the Shugden worshipers.

[tictactoe69]

Violence is a law and order issue. It is not a religious issue. Monastaries are within their rights to extern those who do not follow their rules. Shugden has gone to the court on basis of discrimination, the courts will try their case.

[mitchee009]

it violates a great principal of Buddha School cultivation. You cannot just create a another sect without being ordained by a Righteous Master and in particularly without a Righteous Faith. The Dalai Lama holds to this principal, and i have learned this from studying the Law of the Cosmos. A true practitioner of the Dalai Lama, or school of thought, or Falun Gong will understand this principal well. Your protests against the Dalai Lama is a Breeding ground for CCP agents and is causing harm.

[Dale157]

Stopping honoring your cult by putting it together with Buddhism, and stop honoring your cult leader by putting him together with the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama doesn't want to eliminate anyone from the planet because of their sexual orientation or race, not like your Master Li.

[madrid23]

Our biased anti China western media like the BBC who has idealized the Dalai Lama to the point of deifying the man would never broadcast these reporting story. This reporting just goes to show that in the end everyone has got dirty laundry in their closet. How disenchanting.

[bollywoodtenz]

please, both sides need to be respectful of each others beliefs. if you worship shugden, its unfair to not have entry to stores, its a gut reaction of fear by store owners but it seems justified to have those monks who practice shugden to leave the monastery. For eg. a priest who believes in allah wouldn't be in the catholic church. it doesn't make sense

[tenzinzigme]

worshipped by 4 million people???? MY ASS.... get the fact before you make such a documentary....It would be fact and truth to say 4000 people practice it. DEVIL WORSHIPPERS, bastards

[bleupeony]

The Dalai Lama was paid $180,000 by the CIA to leave Lasha willingly, and tell lies about China. He is a paid CIA agent.

[ratonnewmex]

BOY, these people need to preach to the SATANIC CATHOLC CHURCH about idol worship here in the TOILET OF THE U.S.

[MrMan428]

I like the current Dalai Lama and I still do, but it's hypocritical to say that the PRC does not allow freedom of religion while suppressing it yourself, even if it is idol worshiping. So I disagree with his decision in this case. I also don't see him as a perfect, reincarnated deity, but merely a man. Man is flawed and makes bad decisions from time to time. Religion is a creation of man. Name one religion free of hypocritical actions or double standards.

[tatsukogarasu]

sound like Dalai Lama is going back to old ways, watch videos of Tibet history, Tibet was worst kind of theocracy, 90% of people were slaves and Dalai Lama was god... if you stole bread to feed your family, you and your family including kids and babies, and everyone was skinned, the skins were hung over your home so people can see... there was no justice or freedom in Tibet under rule of Dalai Lama

[nickvanzetti]

finally some criticism of this filthy fraud. i say kill that slave holder! and donald trump too!

[sashonska]

here here!

[bollywoodtenz]

chinese propaganda

[GermaineIlya]

Its AlJazeera not Chinese TV you retard

[theatreoffrarce]

No, but alot of anti Dalai Lama propaganda is,not that I'm crazy about the Dalai Lama myself.

[GermaineIlya]

well yes its true a lot of anti Dalai Lama propaganda is Chinese

and a lot of pro Dalai Lama propaganda is American and European

and a lot of anti Chinese propaganda is Dalai Lamas

are we actually arguing about anything? =)

[tictactoe69]

Al Jazeera is an Islamist channel with ties to Chinese Communist party.

[GermaineIlya]

Do you actually believe in what youve just said? Al Jazeera has always strongly criticized China over its human rights and now they have strong ties? LOL just watch their previous videos about China

[tictactoe69]

They have been forced to do a policy rethink. Commercial necessity and political pressure.

[GermaineIlya]

Later you r going to see more videos from them trashing China. So I guess dont have to argue with you youll see it for yourself.

[tictactoe69]

Lets hope they do that. There is a lot of trashing to be done in PRC.