dont ever underestimate india. the indies men are able to innovate a trainer jet in a time frame of 30 years with no indigenous component, forget about Pakistan, india is all set to surpass the US with its innovation and creativity. hope the indies men will get what they want after their country become a superpower, doesnt have to being treated like monkeys and hopefully get some blondie asses.
i think china should stop behaving like a big boy because afterall it is a japanese slave who roamed the chinese lands and banged lots of woman there.
@investornator along with the tech transfer, I wouldn't call it a bad deal you know, India can churn out tens of these now without much problem. Its cheaper than spending billions on R&D.
@DeepakPawndU Mate Australia paid 3 billion for 2 x 30,000 tonne LHD with a tech transfer.Thats 3 billion for 60,000 tonne of steel and 21st century technology.India paid in $2.5 billion range for a 1970s technology ship.You do realise it was the USSR who built the Gorshov and not Russia.If Russian ships are so hi tech,why did they buy Mistral LHD of France?Because Russia has lost the know how to build 30,000 plus ton ships.I will stick with what i said before.India got RIPPED OFF!
India should just listen to Ghandi and go back to snake charming and curries. leave big power politics with China, US, Russia, Japan and Europe. seriously in the big bad world of great power games India wont survive for long.
@iamnobodyism who is talking ??? chiense who don't open their full eyes .hahaha.first open your chinki eyes then talk about india .i think you forget wwii .how india and japan together kill &rape chience chinki women .
@31ALOK And i think you forget how China and Pakistan rape and kill Indian women in 1962. Who the fuck you think you are? go to war with us now all we need to do is infest the Ganges with biological weapons since we control Tibet. we dont even need to go to war.
@701shed who the hell ru to give us aid? Your country is in 17trillion debt! India never took debt from any country even though we are colonized abused and looted for 200years in British rule! Shut your asshole ass and get your mind in correct way
$2.5 billion to Ruskies and we're getting a rusty shitty carrier that will be outdated by the time we get it anyways... That shows level of corruption in India...
@TheEsotericDesi The level of corruption has nothing to do with it,its just that no other country will like to sell their aircraft carriers to India(every one has one,except America) and for an aircraft carrier its not much,especially if your rival does not have one(we are not going to war with USA,are we?).And about your outdated quote,better outdated than never,isn't it?
Have you ever tried looking beyond the tip of your nose?
@701shep I think u r living in 20th centuries no one aid India . V hv enough money understand . India is the 2nd fastest growing nd 4th biggest economy in the world no. 1 in IT . ur country is gonna bankrupt soon... Nd more dan 20% people in ur country living on pensions get d fact dude....
why do we send aid to these countrys 300 million this year alone . if they can afford aircraft carriers nuclear weapons space program. then exspect us to educate there children fuck em let them starve
@701shep i can understand your position on the defence issue. but you have no idea how hostile our geographical environment is. as for the space program, i am very frustrated that the rich countries dont spend enough money on it. it is hard to imagine a man on mars in my lifetime unless china does something! rich countries should drink less beer and spend the money on space... as for our space program, it is very modest and costs very little.
@sadhaklal The rich countries ran space programs to promote themselves to the banksters. Now that the banking mafia has chosen the U.S. to deliver globalist tyranny to the world, the space program is meaningless now.
What good is space to slaves? ALL scientific development is now geared towards oppression and enslavement of mankind to a privatized hell world. Almost 800 years of political progress in the West has been wiped out in the last 30+ years. Space means nothing to the Elites
Ask any of the millions upon millions of Indians who don't have enough food to eat, access to clean water or a decent place to live in this question: "Do you really care if the Indian Navy has 1, 2 or 10 aircraft carriers? Would the money be better spent on your needs or on ships that are very vulnerable? To all of the geniuses: How can carrier-based aircraft fight terrorists or separatists hundreds of miles inland? How about using the Air Force instead?
@pmoy61 There is still no substitute for aircraft carriers where projection of power is required. Aircraft carriers are designed to intimidate foreign governments on behalf of giant corporations or when the IMF wants to shakedown a nation that hasn't paid protection money.
The U.S.A. is master of extortion, fraud, and shakedowns of 3rd world governments using aircraft carriers. India is joining the club and they'll have to learn how to integrate the Gorshkov into their foreign policy objectives
@xsf908 The Gorshkov is a Beginner's aircraft carrier for India. They have to learn how to operate a carrier, budget resources for its operation, and integrate it into foreign policy objectives. This is a smart move for India because they will learn how to project power with it. A small carrier like the Gorshkov is better than no carrier and will allow India to protect important projects it may have in 3rd world countries.
Experience in its operation will help India to design and build its own.
@InfiniteMushroom India has had a aircraft carrier from 1987..ins viraat..dont your think in 23 years they would have learnt some stuff..its due to be retired though...India has plans to raise 3 battle groups in next 5 years..Im sure there would be delays
@sumitron2k I didn't even know that India has been operating an aircraft carrier before this one. There aren't very many images of India in the American mind and they are mostly negative.
@InfiniteMushroom understandable...Recently India has been on an acquisition & upgradation spree...navy and airforce...On naval side they have around 50 ships on order(frigates corvettes etc) In 2009 they commissioned first indigenous nuke powered sub ..along with that 6 french scorpene and 6 Russian P-751 subs are on the orderbook. Also 24 Boeing P-8I reconnaissance are being procured..
@InfiniteMushroom Yea images are all what media creates...India is not all about snake charmers and chiken curry and cow worshippers...and US is not all jerry springer but thats the image media generates...:)
@InfiniteMushroom but yes..there is still a lot of poverty and I wished india didnt have china/pak as neighbors and could have spent that money on social stuff..But anyways it is what it is...
@InfiniteMushroom I made a mistake in the comment..Indias first aircraft carrier was INS_Vikrant (R11) commisioned in 1961...and not INS viraat..so India has been sailing carriers for 50 years
India should create more state or private owned defence contractors, from small arms to heavy MG's,anti aircraft guns, and ammunition, among others. That is what will keep india afloat in any war to come. She must be self sufficient in mass weapons producing capabilities. And also to keep continuing mass producing long range conventional and nuclear missiles all with 200 kilotons MIRV's each. (min. 7 mirv's ,each 200 kilotons for every nuke mis.)
Pakistan is a different case. They? cant survive without chinese help. Look at the chinese themselves, they have been making copies of the SU27. Russians are mad at the chinese for violating terms of licensed production of the SU27! Why do the chinese copy?? Is it because their scientist don't have brains for developing their own aircraft? China spends millions stealing technology from the west! WHY??? No brains in china?? what do you think of a statement like that??
@123456787654321ize China still has that Third World mentality where they would rather buy or steal power rather than organically develop their own. If they don't have the expertise to develop from scratch, improving an obsolete design in order to cultivate a domestic military-industrial complex will lead to uniquely indigenous designs. Iran has taken the latter path and they are now able to build from scratch. Iran will prevail in a war because they can make their own and it's modern stuff.
@123456787654321ize Why would they spend BILLIONS in research and trial and error, while they can spend MILLIONS obtaining research which already has been done.
I'd say they pretty much brain involved in doing it faster and more cost affective.
@Sasukekillsitachi well,Russia is not treacherous despite that the price of junk carrier went up from 900 millions to 4 billions. Kitty Hawk would be better of course, but it is off limit for sale.
@MaverickOOO1: well kitty hawk could have been a good choice, but looking over its usability, i think the entire indian navy would be sucked in that piece of metal. its cost of operation will also be high as it operates on 80MW nuclear powered engines. it is almost 80k tonnes of displacement which is of no use as per IN requirements. when admiral gorshkov would be finally inducted, it would be a marvel to watch. 16 Mig-29K fighters will give enemy its full Monty. a force multiplier in INavy.
@vaibhav371 Ship laid down in 1977 and not evenly a match to Kuznetsov with faulty Russian engines, Mig-29 which first flew also in 1977 and specifically modified with reduced capabilities in order to take off from a ski jump and you are saying will be marvel to watch. You are kidding.
Kitty Hawk by the way was the last conventionally powered carrier in US Navy and only twice bigger than Gorshkov.
@MaverickOOO1: dont u know buddy that it has already been modified and all engines being replaced by new gas turbines & fresh new boilers. equipped with State of the Art Israeli & russian air defense capabilities. along with Carrier Battle Group, it would be a ghost for the enemies in the ocean. meanwhile India is also fast tracking its induction of INS Viraat class 45k tonne carrier with 29 LCA tejas, 4 Mig-29K and Kamov choppers on board.
@sesshy34 well that might have something to do that he's in his 80's.... a foot already in the grave.. but as he isnt a politician he is doing alot of good...
why we can't make weapon in our country.we can't fight long with the weapons buying frm other country.our leaders r such a gandu people f....kin our mony in very disorganize way.
state of the art weapons are a function of your industrial base.Regardless of the hype you hear in the media our industrial base isn't really that advanced in some critical areas like maerials science,semiconductor fabrication etc till we get that right in another 10-15 yrs
It wouldnt have been necessery when you have a group of brainwashed fanatics who are ready to eat grass only to get their hands on the greatest weapons in order to destroy what they call their faiths goal..
All children of the world deserve to have the dark cloud of nuclear doom removed, and hope for the future restored so that all can achieve their God given potential. There should be a world movement to ban the bomb...forever!
wrong photo indies
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dont ever underestimate india. the indies men are able to innovate a trainer jet in a time frame of 30 years with no indigenous component, forget about Pakistan, india is all set to surpass the US with its innovation and creativity. hope the indies men will get what they want after their country become a superpower, doesnt have to being treated like monkeys and hopefully get some blondie asses.
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i think china should stop behaving like a big boy because afterall it is a japanese slave who roamed the chinese lands and banged lots of woman there.
fabricatoriscool 2 weeks ago
@investornator
2 billion $ because russia is also doing the fitting and arming it..so it is ok
fabricatoriscool 2 weeks ago
2.5 billion for a 2nd hand aircraft carrier,you got ripped off again INDIA!
investornator 1 month ago
@investornator along with the tech transfer, I wouldn't call it a bad deal you know, India can churn out tens of these now without much problem. Its cheaper than spending billions on R&D.
DeepakPawndU 2 weeks ago
@DeepakPawndU Mate Australia paid 3 billion for 2 x 30,000 tonne LHD with a tech transfer.Thats 3 billion for 60,000 tonne of steel and 21st century technology.India paid in $2.5 billion range for a 1970s technology ship.You do realise it was the USSR who built the Gorshov and not Russia.If Russian ships are so hi tech,why did they buy Mistral LHD of France?Because Russia has lost the know how to build 30,000 plus ton ships.I will stick with what i said before.India got RIPPED OFF!
investornator 2 weeks ago
India should just listen to Ghandi and go back to snake charming and curries. leave big power politics with China, US, Russia, Japan and Europe. seriously in the big bad world of great power games India wont survive for long.
iamnobodyism 1 month ago
@iamnobodyism who is talking ??? chiense who don't open their full eyes .hahaha.first open your chinki eyes then talk about india .i think you forget wwii .how india and japan together kill &rape chience chinki women .
31ALOK 1 month ago
@31ALOK And i think you forget how China and Pakistan rape and kill Indian women in 1962. Who the fuck you think you are? go to war with us now all we need to do is infest the Ganges with biological weapons since we control Tibet. we dont even need to go to war.
iamnobodyism 1 month ago
@701shed who the hell ru to give us aid? Your country is in 17trillion debt! India never took debt from any country even though we are colonized abused and looted for 200years in British rule! Shut your asshole ass and get your mind in correct way
Harshamostwanted1 1 month ago
$2.5 billion to Ruskies and we're getting a rusty shitty carrier that will be outdated by the time we get it anyways... That shows level of corruption in India...
TheEsotericDesi 2 months ago
@TheEsotericDesi no m8 ur leaders are just cheap.. and your country has some of the world's richest men..
chicken4247 2 months ago
@TheEsotericDesi 2.5 billion for that rust bucket, ya i agree India got ripped off.
jamesappleridge 1 month ago
@TheEsotericDesi The level of corruption has nothing to do with it,its just that no other country will like to sell their aircraft carriers to India(every one has one,except America) and for an aircraft carrier its not much,especially if your rival does not have one(we are not going to war with USA,are we?).And about your outdated quote,better outdated than never,isn't it?
Have you ever tried looking beyond the tip of your nose?
sscaero15 1 month ago
hey in the sidebar you can see the ship before and after
LYinKansas 3 months ago
that carrier is a rip off
purelego 5 months ago
Bingo !!!!!!!!!!
Yeah Baby ! Yeah !!!
divijkishal 5 months ago
china will be copying this lol
Mrpopoy83 6 months ago
@701shep I think u r living in 20th centuries no one aid India . V hv enough money understand . India is the 2nd fastest growing nd 4th biggest economy in the world no. 1 in IT . ur country is gonna bankrupt soon... Nd more dan 20% people in ur country living on pensions get d fact dude....
sukhpalrana 6 months ago
why do we send aid to these countrys 300 million this year alone . if they can afford aircraft carriers nuclear weapons space program. then exspect us to educate there children fuck em let them starve
701shep 7 months ago
@701shep i can understand your position on the defence issue. but you have no idea how hostile our geographical environment is. as for the space program, i am very frustrated that the rich countries dont spend enough money on it. it is hard to imagine a man on mars in my lifetime unless china does something! rich countries should drink less beer and spend the money on space... as for our space program, it is very modest and costs very little.
sadhaklal 6 months ago
@sadhaklal The rich countries ran space programs to promote themselves to the banksters. Now that the banking mafia has chosen the U.S. to deliver globalist tyranny to the world, the space program is meaningless now.
What good is space to slaves? ALL scientific development is now geared towards oppression and enslavement of mankind to a privatized hell world. Almost 800 years of political progress in the West has been wiped out in the last 30+ years. Space means nothing to the Elites
InfiniteMushroom 2 months ago
Ask any of the millions upon millions of Indians who don't have enough food to eat, access to clean water or a decent place to live in this question: "Do you really care if the Indian Navy has 1, 2 or 10 aircraft carriers? Would the money be better spent on your needs or on ships that are very vulnerable? To all of the geniuses: How can carrier-based aircraft fight terrorists or separatists hundreds of miles inland? How about using the Air Force instead?
pmoy61 10 months ago
@pmoy61 I think the answer to your question lies in 26/11. i.e the terrorists came through the Ocean.
arun199113 10 months ago
@pmoy61 There is still no substitute for aircraft carriers where projection of power is required. Aircraft carriers are designed to intimidate foreign governments on behalf of giant corporations or when the IMF wants to shakedown a nation that hasn't paid protection money.
The U.S.A. is master of extortion, fraud, and shakedowns of 3rd world governments using aircraft carriers. India is joining the club and they'll have to learn how to integrate the Gorshkov into their foreign policy objectives
InfiniteMushroom 10 months ago
abe yaar Manmohan bohot Dhila he :/
chotuzwazzz 10 months ago
Is there anything China cant copy? lol
krammy11 1 year ago
India buy useless carrier it can carry only 12 Mig-29 fighter
xsf908 1 year ago
@xsf908 The Gorshkov is a Beginner's aircraft carrier for India. They have to learn how to operate a carrier, budget resources for its operation, and integrate it into foreign policy objectives. This is a smart move for India because they will learn how to project power with it. A small carrier like the Gorshkov is better than no carrier and will allow India to protect important projects it may have in 3rd world countries.
Experience in its operation will help India to design and build its own.
InfiniteMushroom 10 months ago
@InfiniteMushroom
The gorshkov is not a beginners carrier for india, like you have said, my friend.
India is already well versed in this aspect with the INS VIRAAT. What india needs now is the tech. know how to build a modern nuclear carrier.
And i wish all the best to MOTHER INDIA in her quests....
Jai Hind ...................
MrBombchinanow 9 months ago
@InfiniteMushroom India has had a aircraft carrier from 1987..ins viraat..dont your think in 23 years they would have learnt some stuff..its due to be retired though...India has plans to raise 3 battle groups in next 5 years..Im sure there would be delays
sumitron2k 2 months ago
@sumitron2k I didn't even know that India has been operating an aircraft carrier before this one. There aren't very many images of India in the American mind and they are mostly negative.
InfiniteMushroom 2 months ago
@InfiniteMushroom understandable...Recently India has been on an acquisition & upgradation spree...navy and airforce...On naval side they have around 50 ships on order(frigates corvettes etc) In 2009 they commissioned first indigenous nuke powered sub ..along with that 6 french scorpene and 6 Russian P-751 subs are on the orderbook. Also 24 Boeing P-8I reconnaissance are being procured..
sumitron2k 2 months ago
@InfiniteMushroom Yea images are all what media creates...India is not all about snake charmers and chiken curry and cow worshippers...and US is not all jerry springer but thats the image media generates...:)
sumitron2k 2 months ago
@InfiniteMushroom but yes..there is still a lot of poverty and I wished india didnt have china/pak as neighbors and could have spent that money on social stuff..But anyways it is what it is...
sumitron2k 2 months ago
@InfiniteMushroom I made a mistake in the comment..Indias first aircraft carrier was INS_Vikrant (R11) commisioned in 1961...and not INS viraat..so India has been sailing carriers for 50 years
sumitron2k 2 months ago
India should create more state or private owned defence contractors, from small arms to heavy MG's,anti aircraft guns, and ammunition, among others. That is what will keep india afloat in any war to come. She must be self sufficient in mass weapons producing capabilities. And also to keep continuing mass producing long range conventional and nuclear missiles all with 200 kilotons MIRV's each. (min. 7 mirv's ,each 200 kilotons for every nuke mis.)
MrBombchinanow 1 year ago
haha i wonder how much of the deal is in the swiss bank!
Telears 1 year ago
Pakistan is a different case. They? cant survive without chinese help. Look at the chinese themselves, they have been making copies of the SU27. Russians are mad at the chinese for violating terms of licensed production of the SU27! Why do the chinese copy?? Is it because their scientist don't have brains for developing their own aircraft? China spends millions stealing technology from the west! WHY??? No brains in china?? what do you think of a statement like that??
123456787654321ize 1 year ago 50
@123456787654321ize
Pakistan.....lol
wlwlnana 1 year ago
@123456787654321ize China still has that Third World mentality where they would rather buy or steal power rather than organically develop their own. If they don't have the expertise to develop from scratch, improving an obsolete design in order to cultivate a domestic military-industrial complex will lead to uniquely indigenous designs. Iran has taken the latter path and they are now able to build from scratch. Iran will prevail in a war because they can make their own and it's modern stuff.
InfiniteMushroom 10 months ago
@123456787654321ize Why would they spend BILLIONS in research and trial and error, while they can spend MILLIONS obtaining research which already has been done.
I'd say they pretty much brain involved in doing it faster and more cost affective.
Naskilla19 3 weeks ago
Hail Mother RUSSIA
ThePunjab2010 1 year ago
Russians are our real ally, not treacherous US.
Sasukekillsitachi 1 year ago
@Sasukekillsitachi well,Russia is not treacherous despite that the price of junk carrier went up from 900 millions to 4 billions. Kitty Hawk would be better of course, but it is off limit for sale.
MaverickOOO1 11 months ago
@MaverickOOO1: well kitty hawk could have been a good choice, but looking over its usability, i think the entire indian navy would be sucked in that piece of metal. its cost of operation will also be high as it operates on 80MW nuclear powered engines. it is almost 80k tonnes of displacement which is of no use as per IN requirements. when admiral gorshkov would be finally inducted, it would be a marvel to watch. 16 Mig-29K fighters will give enemy its full Monty. a force multiplier in INavy.
vaibhav371 10 months ago
@vaibhav371 Ship laid down in 1977 and not evenly a match to Kuznetsov with faulty Russian engines, Mig-29 which first flew also in 1977 and specifically modified with reduced capabilities in order to take off from a ski jump and you are saying will be marvel to watch. You are kidding.
Kitty Hawk by the way was the last conventionally powered carrier in US Navy and only twice bigger than Gorshkov.
MaverickOOO1 10 months ago
@MaverickOOO1: dont u know buddy that it has already been modified and all engines being replaced by new gas turbines & fresh new boilers. equipped with State of the Art Israeli & russian air defense capabilities. along with Carrier Battle Group, it would be a ghost for the enemies in the ocean. meanwhile India is also fast tracking its induction of INS Viraat class 45k tonne carrier with 29 LCA tejas, 4 Mig-29K and Kamov choppers on board.
vaibhav371 10 months ago
ROSIYA
devrajvarma 1 year ago
I always wonder why the Indian Prime Minister speaks like he was just raised from the dead xD
sesshy34 1 year ago
@sesshy34 well that might have something to do that he's in his 80's.... a foot already in the grave.. but as he isnt a politician he is doing alot of good...
markvijit 1 year ago
govt should provide more fund and opportunity for DRDO HAL and many other indian companies.
stifflershady 2 years ago
@stifflershady and let them bath in dreams like what they are doing in last scenerio
10SmithJohn 1 year ago
@stifflershady thanks, WE ARE
ThePunjab2010 1 year ago 4
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MrSirum 2 years ago
why we can't make weapon in our country.we can't fight long with the weapons buying frm other country.our leaders r such a gandu people f....kin our mony in very disorganize way.
MrSirum 2 years ago
@MrSirum
state of the art weapons are a function of your industrial base.Regardless of the hype you hear in the media our industrial base isn't really that advanced in some critical areas like maerials science,semiconductor fabrication etc till we get that right in another 10-15 yrs
krenim786 2 years ago
It wouldnt have been necessery when you have a group of brainwashed fanatics who are ready to eat grass only to get their hands on the greatest weapons in order to destroy what they call their faiths goal..
GrandmasterTigerfist 2 years ago
All children of the world deserve to have the dark cloud of nuclear doom removed, and hope for the future restored so that all can achieve their God given potential. There should be a world movement to ban the bomb...forever!
dazeofmylife 2 years ago
thats good....
boyzffuture 2 years ago