You cannot insert religious issues into the constitution of this country and not one goddamn lawyer has ever succeeded in doing so. If you trust and believe in the laws of this country which protect you and me, then a person's concept of justice matures and they begin to see the limitations we have. The death-penalty viewed from a judicial point of view makes perfect sense. The death penalty really belongs to the victims it affects acutely. Where does the public get off meddling in that?
The death penalty is bad because it puts to death some one who might be innocent. What would Jesus do? He would say no to the death penalty and would say the Republicans have had it.
Death Penalty as a deterrent...I wonder how the countries still carrying out that barbaric penalty, think it is working for them ?
There are right now around 3200 inmates on death row in the US, that number has actually has been pretty stable the last 20 years, which means Death Penalty is not a deterrent.Over 40% of the inmates on death row are black. Most of the inmates comes from poverty stricken families, without or little education to their lives.Fix poverty and education is the solution
"what would Jesus do"? Am I the only one who thinks this sounds stupid? He's comparing politicians to the savior of christianity? If I was a christian, I would be pissed
Death penalty is too easy for terrorists. Put them in dark closet 3 feet in width and length until they die. Now that's justice. Killing them is wrong, and it's giving them a way out.
some people are good at avoiding questions ;). The fact that jesus is even brought up in a political debate kind of shows you how silly, gullible and immature the world is. What is even worse, is that the answer to the question would be obviously be that he would be against it. Does the commandment say "thou shall not kill, unless we as a society decides that it's okay?" lol... hillarious
I hope -one day- nobody will think that they have the authority to kill other people. I don't find any reason to give somebody that kind of authority. I am not sure if we are gods, if maybe animals... For me, death penalty looks like a fatal contradiction, a fatal mistake, always.
@Joolazoo Well actually it might as well say that. If the Bible says its okay to "stone", the throwing of rocks until death, adulterers, why wouldnt he mean if deemed necessary. stoning is killing isnt it?
i support the death penalty whole heartedly but i would gladly give it up any day to abolish the unforgiveable act of abortion. make abortion illegal and do away with the death penalty. the person that does this will get my vote in an instant.
The Death Penalty is NEVER ok. To kill someone to set an example that it's wrong to kill other people is just hypocritical. All studies show that having a death penaly does not in any way do anything to the statistics of number of commited murders etc. Sure, some crimes are way to horrible, but it's still not justified for the state to take another persons life in to the own hands. In that case, they're are no better them-selfs.
@JKendo7 Perhaps. But as long as the death penalty exists, there will always be a chance that an innocent person can be sentenced to death, and that misstake is not an acceptable risk.
@JKendo7 Jesus also said that who ever harmed a child should have a milestone tied around their neck and thrown in the sea. I also thought that liberals advocated the separation between the Church and State ? If abortion is O.K and the Church's opinion does not matter than the Church should not have a say on the death penalty either.
@acdc30450 I didn't say the church should. If you looked back at the posts, I was replying to someone who said that the bible was against the death penalty. And I do NOT think abortion is "ok".
While I am staunchly opposed to the death penalty, I can never understand why liberals - of which I'd be one without a doubt - see support for the death penalty and being pro-life as contradictory for the very reason that Governor Huckabee gives here. I don't share his view but I can certainly understand it.
Mercy to a murderer is, and always will be, crime to the victims. That is the truth, and there is NOTHING Christianity, or any other religion, can do anything about that.
@masterhans. Yes, let's say that there is Christian logic for a minute, even though there isn't actually.
In the Old Testament, God demanded the blood of those who won't follow him and those who do heinous crimes. The followers of this God did their job very well. Why can't we do the same, since we already have the permission? Jesus preached forgiveness, but he never said that you must disregard what the murderer deserves. You can forgive, but that does not mean you'll spare him.
@cuagmirag. You have shallow opinion of justice. You want justice to a killer, when it is the VICTIM who needs justice. By stripping someone's life, which in turn strips his RIGHT to live, the murderer does not deserve to live. God in the Old Testament demanded that non-followers other sorts of disgusting criminals to be killed. I SUGGEST WE FOLLOW HIM! LOGIC here?
if god is the one who gives life, shouldnt he be the ONLY one having the right to take it?
at least thats the logic pro-lifers use when it comes to abortions and i think theres nothing wrong having this opinion, but how about being consistent and not twisting and turning it just how you like it?
being consistent means applying this logic to EVERY single case and not picking out these and ignoring those.
And don't bring about religious-nonsense reasons. If you're a Christian, look at the Old Testament. Thousands of people being killed because they're heathens and murderers? Please don't disregard that. Showing MERCY to willing murderers and rapists is IMMORAL, because you're devaluing the life of the victim and instead valuing the life of the monster/s.
Let's say that for 10 suspects, 1 is innocent. SO WHAT? You would fret over ONE innocent life in exchange for the safety of thousands of people? Previous leaders DIDN'T become leaders by making such irrational decisions. It's not that I disregard that one life, but because I'm wiling to take the risk for countless others.
And if you prefer lifetime imprisonment... tell me: Are you ignorant to not notice that there are hundreds of convicts that are innocent? Is death better than
@Hper man and all Con-Death Penalty. Don't expect that justice from any nation will be perfect. And don't bring up this "some-people-are-innocent" bullshit. Why, you may ask? Because the reasons are simple. 1)Justice, like life, isn't perfect. Stop WHINING because you also make mistakes. 2)That's too IMMATURE of you to bring this issue because this conversation is about AND ONLY about whether death penalty is moral or not. Telling me that for 10 suspects executed there is 1 innocent is stupid.
So eloquently spoken he dodges the question, but still has the entire audience howling like a pack of uncivilized morons. The answer is obvious Jesus would not have the death penalty in place he was all in favor of forgiveness and second chances.
Who cares what jesus would do, jesus was just an idiotic cult leader that thought he was the son of an imaginary invisible deity. I don't think cult leaders qualify to be an authority on the DP.
illinois you are wrong What about the victims specialy when they killed a child that is not inhuman please what rights do they have when they violated their victims rights in the first place you dont get put in death row for nothing
No killing, abusing, or neglecting/denying each prisoner of access to daily minimum: 3cup veggies, 2cup fruit, 4oz whole grain, 1cup beans, 1.5oznuts, #of calories/height, air quality index 0-50, 8teaspoon toothpaste, floss, healthcare. Sanitation, 5 gallon safe to drink water: heats to 80+degress, cools to 60-, shelter: heats to 68+, cools to 80-, bed, clothes shoes, noise 0-85db
@fullclip16117 way to make an intellegent and factual statement based on what you wrote. Oh wait you didnt write anything else. Nevermind then. Sorry for the false compliment
As far as WWJD? Well my understanding is he told us to obey the laws of the land. That also came with a warning (paraphrasing here...) that we should live righteous so that we are not subject to some of the things within the laws.
Personally I think we should get rid of the Death Penalty....or at least....make every person who votes on it watch someone die in the electric chair to make sure you have the full picture. Same with partial birth abortions.
I guess some of these Christians never really took Jesus's message serious at all. Death penalty does not deter crimes, and is really nothing more than a tool of revenge to bring closure to the victims. Nothing wrong with wanting revenge though, but I highly doubt that Jesus himself would support it. Just saying here, not taking any sides of the debate regarding the death penalty.
@theporksicle No one. arguments for it are ridiculous, which is why no civilized nation uses it with the exception of the u.s. and other third world countries / dictatorships
So if someone murders someone I care about I should just take it? Or anyone else for that matter? Let the courts give them a few years in prison, after which they get out and get to carry on with their lives even though their victim is gone forever and their victim's family will suffer for the rest of their lives?
So what happen if there's innocents on death row? Pro death penalty supporters never addressed this issue. We still have the higest murder rate in this country even those having a death penalty. We should put this rapist to work and pay the victim's money in return. and what about cameron todd willingham? Go look him up on YT and see. i think death is too easy on rapistsand life w/o parole would be more painful. Not saying i support crinimals or anything because our justice sytem is flawed.
@Hperman09 For every innocent there are a thousand guilty scum bags. The death penalty does deter crime. Places such as NYC, LA, DC, Detroit, DC have the highest crime rate because the liberals who run those cities are soft on crime. Criminals for fitted their rights the minute they decided to violate the rights of citizens. A man has the right to walk down the street with out being stabbed to death for his wallet, a woman with out the fear of being raped, and a child with out being kidnapped.
Its funny how a minister endorses the death penalty. As a minister myself I can confidently say that this man is not qualified to be a minister since Christ does not endorse killing others.
However I do believe that justice is good. Keeping people in a cage seems pretty cruel but its much better than steeping down to those who kill by killing yourself. The death penalty is not something Christ would do. Its something Huckabee has done and will continue to endorse.
@SpeakGodSpeak God was with Noah when He flooded the earth killing the evil people. God was with Moses and Joshua when they fought Egypt. I could go through the WHOLE Bible listing where God has supported justice being death. God says do not murder. People that get the death penalty must have done some crazy things, in most cases committing murder. Who are you to say Christ dose not endorse killing others. He dose ALL the time. Thank you.
Jesus probably wouldn't have, and honestly I see no reason why Christians, or religious people in general actually, support the death penalt as when a murderer or other evil person dies surely they will suffer a fate infinitely worse than death when in Hell?
It makes more sense for agnostics and atheists, like me, to believe it as we don't have the safety of knowing the evil will be punished in the hereafter.
@joeythelips69 Well it means that if Hitler had realized his sins and honestly repented and asked for forgiveness; he would be in heaven. But this is a contraversial point in christianity and there are many different views of God's forgiveness. I do believe that God would have forgiven even Hitler. Hell He may even forgive George W. =)
US... the only western country that has a death penalty... the US also incarcarates people more than any other country in the world... it sounds abit Ironic when you call it "The Land of the Free" ;)
is there loads of pot smokers put behind bars or like what? :D
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Another proof that christians are fucking assholed hyprocrites!!Just answer the fucking question bastard!!what would jesus do(PBUH) would he approve the death penalty or not?!!fucking hyprocrite!!
You do not have to go back in time. He is Eternal, beyond time. You can know Him, and ask Him for yourself. But He is more interested in answering questions about your life and actions rather than hypothetical questions that are beyond your immediate concern. You can know Him if you want to. But most people wait until they are in such bad shape that no one else will help them. Then they call Jesus. He still answers, though. Bless you.
i dont support abortion!!but i dont care if people abort their own babies,but for a criminal to take away my loved one's life,needs to be burned to death!!are u a criminal or what!!
what iam saying is that i will never ever suggest anybody to abort their babies!!but i cant make the decision.same as i will never suggest anyone to have casual sex but i cant make the decision its up to the person.death penalty is good,noone asks to be mugged,robbed or killed!!the harsher the penalty like burning the criminals to death in public will at least deter other criminals!!
Well, then I agree w/you. I was confused at first. I thought you were calling Huckabee a criminal, because he SUPPORTED the death penalty. I apologize to you for the earlier comments I made.
It's Ghandi you fucktard, and yes, the victims in the death penalty are not only the inoocent men put on death row but also the people who support and make the decisions to execute them.
Asshole! I called you Plato, cause you think you're some type of philosopher. You're just a punk bitch that can't answer a question, so you act as vague as you can. You're a stupid fuck. The victims are those whose lives were taken by those animals. The victims are the prison guards that have to watch over them. The victims are the other people in jail (who haven't committed crimes that are nearly an heinous). You're statement !
(continued).. You're statement makes no sense.. "The victims are the people who support and make the decisions to execute them." How can they be victims (in your eyes) if they are making the decision to execute ppl? You make zero sense. I hope you don't breed, dumbfuck
Now if you had at least one brain cell, then you could have deducted what I was trying to say without me having to explain it to you like I'm giving a lecture to a retarded fascist monkey!
OOh...let's throw a Spanish word in there, to try & sound more educated. I'll play too! Listen to me jota; that's the 1st COMMENT you actually made explaining anything. That's all you would've had to do (instead of getting on here & being a wise ass). There are very few innocent prisoners executed by the system nowadays. There are SEVERAL murderers however, that kill other prisoners and prison guards in jail. How are we supposed to protect them. You might actually have to think on this one.
"Well you see, that's why they have maximum security prisons or special padded cells for the truly crazy ones."
LOL! You're kidding right?! Even in maximum security prison, ppl still have to leave their cells to take showers, visit a doctor, etc. They can (& STILL do) murder guards. Familiar with Richard Ramirez (aka..the Nightstalker)? He tried to slash (wife killer) ,Scott Peterson, in prison a few yrs back...BOTH are on death row. I'm not excusing the execution
Wait wait wait. Let's start over. First off, and eye for an eye penalty is should not be the form of justice that a "civilized" government should be utilizing. Second, yeah, sure, there are plenty of people that we all want dead, but that does not give us the right to kill them!
Third, sure, prison guards face danger everyday. It's part of their job. And not all prison guard's lives are threatened by inmates on death row alone.
No, I'm not kidding. They have different prisons for different kinds of criminals. And you know what? You're never going to be able to stop convicts from attacking guards or employees in the prisons, no matter how many you kill off.
Of course there are people who we all want executed, but that means you can't excuse the other people who are on death row. It could just as easily be you or me.
"You're doing the exact same thing I'm doing, if you haven't noticed."
Wrong. I've provided concrete examples of scenarios in which "Life in Prison" doesn't work; I've been providing these since the beginning of your argument. You tried to skirt the argument by using cliched sayings to get your point across (as opposed to actually having to lay down any facts to back it up). It's only NOW that you are actually presenting any real points to your argument.
"They have different prisons for different kinds of criminals."
Actually most prisons are integrated; they have seperate wings/areas depending on the crime. We can't afford to build separate prisons; we're too busy caring for criminals who should be asking for a last meal instead of Rogaine (no I'm not joking here..club med-aka California prisons-actually provide it for prisoners). 1 prisoner-on death row, no less-recently got open heart surgery (The DNA from his crime was irrefutable).
(continued)"You're never going to be able to stop convicts from attacking guards or employees in the prisons, no matter how many you kill off."
So is the answer to dismiss the lives of the guards? Oh well...a few are gonna die here or there anyway..right? Is that your attitude? That prisoner's lives are more important than the guards' lives!? In my opinion, you FORFEIT the right to life, when you take another's. You, yourself, acknowledged these prisoners can still be animals when behind bars.
Whatever man, I've been laying down my facts same as you have. Only difference is that you're being an obnoxious asshole about the whole argument.
Anyway, yes, I find a guard's life important, but I don't find anyone's more important that you should be killing off prisoners for those reasons alone.
And why are you referring to prisoners as them? It could just as easily be us. We. Human Beings.
If I've been obnoxious, then I'm not the only 1. Like I said, I'm not the 1 that 1st resorted to childish name-calling; either way, I'm w/ you...let's start over.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is that execution prevents that person from committing future murders. There's nothing civil about allowing 1 person to live, where he can take the lives of others. I don't have a problem w/ giving life in prison (even though-as I said-you should forfeit your life if you take another) if that person
(continued) has shown no other signs of violence before or doesn't have a violent criminal record. However, if their are signs or paperwork trails showing violent history, then-chances are-they aren't going to change their behavior. This is especially true with serial killers.
I know that any of us could be falsely accused. The fact is, that rarely anyone falsely ends on up death row. That's also why we have appeals.
There's nothing civil about allowing a person to live when he's taken a life huh? (assuming you have complete faith in your justice system) So it's civil just to kill him and forget about him, case closed?
If someone kills someone else, what right does that give you to kill them in return. It's hypocritical! If a man murders his wife, does that give me the right to inflict justice upon this man and kill him too?
"If a man murders his wife, does that give me the right to inflict justice upon this man and kill him too?"
Should we just let that man murder others too? Like I said, if that is his only murder (as horrific as it is) then..okay..give him life in prison. If he's a habitual violent offender, then why SHOULD WE let him live? The only thing hypocritical is someone saying life should be preserved, but allowing that person to take the life of another. It just shows how flawed that argument is.
You know, they're fucking prisons man, tough shit goes down in them everyday involving murderers and phsycos that aren't even on death row in the first place.
"You know, they're fucking prisons man, tough shit goes down in them everyday" a.k.a.."No big deal. If we put them in prison, and they kill each other, our hands are clean."
I've got some news for you; if you put a non-violent person in prison with psychotic violent idiot, and that non-violent person gets killed, then you are just as guilty of the murder as the psycho is. I don't care how you attempt to rationalize it; Even if you use the
(continued) excuse of "well their just prisoners," you still can't justify the murder of a prison guard. That person is totally innocent; just because a job can be dangerous, doesn't mean we should add to that danger.Besides (in the case of 1 prisoner killing another, especially), that would actually go against your "preserve life against uncivil penalties," philosophy, wouldn't it?!
Dude, you don't seem to understand, you kill one psycho, then there's plenty of others that could end up in a cell with a non violent person. And it's true, prisons ARE tough places, rape, murder, etc.
But you can't stop all that just by killing prisoners. You can't end violence with more violence.
I'm saying if you ALREADY KNOW that the person is a murderer (& violent), then you should execute him. Obviously, you can't always know who will be violent when they get to prison. If you do, however, why put someone else's life at risk? It's easy to spout rhetoric, when your on the outside. How would you like to share a
What about the "rehabilitation" comment you mentioned earlier (I'm not letting you sneak away that easy). I have to tell you, that ...honestly..I don't care. If you're Otis Toole, Richard Ramirez, or any of the other zillion murderers that inhabit this country I don't feel sorry for you. It's also easy to say "well, an eye for an eye is barbaric..and we shouldn't take their life. It's real easy until it's someone in your family. It's amazing how many people change their stripes then!
It's also easier to turn away from committing a horrible crime, knowing that you may be sitting on a bunk someday knowing your going to die at 8:00 AM the next morning.
Well, like how you said its easier to support it when your not on that bunk. Well its also easier to support it when you know you will never make that decision. It was their choice to kill or not, they had the same chance we all have, and made the wrong decision.
The USA should do more scare tactics to more effectively deter murders. Like... saying they will die in the same manner their imagination came up with for their victims to die, or something idk...
Tough shit, millions of people get cancer or some other disease and die every year, why are you worrying about someone who, by committing a murder, effectively CHOSE to die?
Well the fact they murdered an innocent person gives us the right.
By your rationale what gives us the right to put someone in prison?
Personally I'd let the victim's family decide what happened to them, if any member of the victims family wished they be executed then they would be executed.
It may be a 2000 year old philosophy, is Jesus' love thy neighbour outdated too?
I'm not a Christian, so and eye for an eye is just a good rule to live by for me, its not some kind of commandment.
I'm talking about clear cut cases, of which there are many, for example. Individual breaks into house, massacres the people sleeping in it (who he had no prior contact with) and makes off with jewellery and cash. I can't see how anyone could say that didn't warrant the dp.
Well, it does. But it won't solve a damn thing if the court puts that man to death. OK, so it serves justice for the families, but does revenge or justice (a two sided coin) really solve anything or put someone's mind to rest? There have been thousands of debates about this.
Not to mention, the death penalty is remarkably inconsistent. Innocent people have been put to death while others manage to get away into states or countries that don't support it.
I can see your point of view, I understand people who have concerns about the implementation of the dp in an imperfect society (of course in a perfect society you would not need it) but I have a hard time understanding people who think murderer's don't deserve it.
Lets say we could prove 100% that the man in my hypothetical situation had done what he did, would you support the dp then? Its impossible to do, but assume it wasn't.
Because if he was an evil, sick bastard, and he had murdered my family, I'd kill him myself. Not that it would bring my family back, nor would it solve anything. Revenge is an emotional flaw. That flaw shouldn't be brought into our justice system. Judging a crime should not involve emotion, but that's what capital punishment does.
Unfortunately, it's never truly possible to know the nature of a crime. The best thing that can be done is to lock up the truly rotten apples for life.
No you wouldn't kill him yourself, because you couldn't, he'd be behind bars and 99.999% of people would chicken out anyway, myself included. Which is why justice, as handed out by the courts, must reflect the wishes of a victim (within reason, which is why we have stauatory limits to the punishments available for a crime).
Not really, my question was to you, I couldn't possibly answer it.
I was wondering why you think it would be okay for you to kill someone in revenge but not for the law to do it on your behalf after a proper trial, appeals etc.
And cases aren't always as clear cut as the one you just mentioned. Put that man to death and you have to follow through with similar convictions. People dying is not an easy task to evaluate, whether it was a crime of passion, or murder, or revenge, an accident, or whatever. A wrongful conviction can lead to someone's death.
I just don't think our justice system is consistent enough to administer capital punishment, nor will it ever be with people running the show.
Many. Especially in prison riots. More guards have been killed than ppl executed. Plus, many prisoners (especially here in Prisneyland) get 20 + years of appeals. Even the most heinous rarely get executed. Unfortunately, they tend to inflict terror on others.
Jesus totally agreed with the death penalty, and supports it even today! He never disputed Pilate's authority to execute Him, but only reminded Pilate to be careful how he used that "power of the sword." (Romans 13:1-5) Christians are in no way "hypocrites" over support of the death penalty. Jesus SUPPORTS the death penalty because it is BIBLICAL, and He IS the Word made Flesh! Period
Jesus decided at least one death penalty case. The accused was undoubtedly guilty. He let her off scot-free - w/o condemnation and with only His Command (which carries with It the ability to obey) to "go and sin no more." (John 8:1-11) The merciful receive mercy. God desires mercy not sacrifice. (Matthew 5:7, 9:13) "The law was given through Moses, but grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17) He bore our sins in His own Flesh on the tree. He has shed His Blood that we may live.
Mike Huckabee has the experience, wisdon, integrity and character to lead this country and be a president who honestly cares about ALL of us whether Democrt or Republican. Read his book on vertical politics! The politician of the future...Mike Huckabee president 2012!
You see, this is the problem with "Conservative Christians."
They do what THEY want, and when asked the telltale question..."uhmm..so you're a 'christian'..right..? Well..what would Jesus do?", they avoid it at all costs. So to deny what CHRIST would have obviously done, which is spare a human life, isn't that one of the most ANTI-Christian things a person could do? I find it kinda takes the meaning out of "Conservative Christian"
WOW! Religioni should not be involved in politics so F "what would jesus do" crap and depending on the crime should death be given. eye 4 and eye style here.
Did you notice that the question was very unappropriate to ask at the first place...???
Mike Huckabee wisely try not to answer directly coz he knows that his answer will be used not only to judge him, but also Jesus and Christianity as a whole... As an ordinary individual with many limitations, he choose the right thing to do, not to mistakenly represent the greatness and the deepness of the wisdom that God posses!!!
The death penalty should be implemented more often. These people that qualify for the death penalty have done such hanus acts that they are un deserving of life. Espescially the cake walk life that our prisons implement now! If you are a convicted multi-murderer you need to be put down. A bullet to the head is cheap, quick, painless, and would save the govenment and taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars instead of paying for them to lounge around and be pampered in prison for their lives!
Though Jesus promoted death and distruction, as an atheist I can tell you that no civilized society is more correct in executing a person that a murderer is correct in killing a person. Indeed, the United States is not civilized, as we are the only first world country that has not banned the "death penalty".
The death penalty is more expensive than a life in prison sentence and has never been proven to deter crime. States that have repealed the death penalty have not typically seen a spike in violent crime and states that have reinstated it have not usually seen a decrease in crime.
There is no way to logically (or spiritually) justify the death penalty. The only reason we keep it is because people want REVENGE, and that is not the way our justice system should work.
1. An estimated 17% of cases without DNA evidence are incorrect convictions (statistic comes from cases in which DNA evidence became available after the fact).
2. Whether or not the adult who is put to death is guilty, he has the ability to suffer more than an unborn child. By suffer I mean the emotional side of death - understanding what death is, anticipating the event, etc.
3. Lawyers who work with murders will tell you that many, if not most, extremely violent criminals have either a severe front lobe injury (which greatly impairs judgment and self-restraint) or a severe addiction (which can also damage there brain.
that is cruel .you say it is wrong to kill good peoples but murderers who changed and said many years sorry for the things they've done are not good/that is not true.you never know if they changed and that is why you have to expect that they are good again otherwise you would kill a good person....One life on risk and that's the way it is ...hate it or love it
Every child can turn into good or evil we knew the risk that a human being can turn into evil and that is why we're also murderers.that is why you have to forgive.
death is death.If you made a mistake so think about .How would you feel if you made a mistake and you exactly know that you want to change or you changed your personality but no one's interested to let a good people live.
Concerning capitol punishment, I will always choose grace to the extent that it is possible and practical because I believe, that is Jesus' teaching for me. However I recognize that Roman 13:4 states that the ruling authority is an agent of God's wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. And that punishment may very well be capital punishment.
Finally, a Christian who is not afraid to tell the TRUTH. Capital punishment IS necessary to any civilized society that values innocence over guilt. What would Jesus do? Open your bible and read for yourself: "I came not to bring peace, but the sword." "As for he who scandalizes one of these little ones, it would be better that a millstone be tied around his neck and that he be cast in the sea." Sounds like capital punishment to me. By the way, Hell is about as capital as punishment can get.
Huckabee parolled Wayne DuMond a convicted rapist who would have spent life in prison, but Huckabee parolled him and afterwards Wayne DuMond raped and killed 2 women.
You cannot insert religious issues into the constitution of this country and not one goddamn lawyer has ever succeeded in doing so. If you trust and believe in the laws of this country which protect you and me, then a person's concept of justice matures and they begin to see the limitations we have. The death-penalty viewed from a judicial point of view makes perfect sense. The death penalty really belongs to the victims it affects acutely. Where does the public get off meddling in that?
akkermanism 1 month ago
i never understood what religion has to do with justice
21iunie 1 month ago
The death penalty is bad because it puts to death some one who might be innocent. What would Jesus do? He would say no to the death penalty and would say the Republicans have had it.
RJWooller 2 months ago
Death Penalty as a deterrent...I wonder how the countries still carrying out that barbaric penalty, think it is working for them ?
There are right now around 3200 inmates on death row in the US, that number has actually has been pretty stable the last 20 years, which means Death Penalty is not a deterrent.Over 40% of the inmates on death row are black. Most of the inmates comes from poverty stricken families, without or little education to their lives.Fix poverty and education is the solution
ueks69 4 months ago
"what would Jesus do"? Am I the only one who thinks this sounds stupid? He's comparing politicians to the savior of christianity? If I was a christian, I would be pissed
HoukouAoi123 5 months ago
Death penalty is too easy for terrorists. Put them in dark closet 3 feet in width and length until they die. Now that's justice. Killing them is wrong, and it's giving them a way out.
BenHughesStudios 5 months ago
some people are good at avoiding questions ;). The fact that jesus is even brought up in a political debate kind of shows you how silly, gullible and immature the world is. What is even worse, is that the answer to the question would be obviously be that he would be against it. Does the commandment say "thou shall not kill, unless we as a society decides that it's okay?" lol... hillarious
Darkeons 5 months ago
I hope -one day- nobody will think that they have the authority to kill other people. I don't find any reason to give somebody that kind of authority. I am not sure if we are gods, if maybe animals... For me, death penalty looks like a fatal contradiction, a fatal mistake, always.
POLcgAnimation 6 months ago
WWJD? he would sacrifice himself, to himself to forgive crimes (or sins, w/e) that he already foresaw :\
Scyeth 7 months ago
the guys a silver tongued devil, the death penalty is completely immoral and jesus would not support it
conraddoavil 7 months ago
no, that was a crappy answer
meggatonman 7 months ago
Mike Huckabee is a moron. The death penalty does NOT deter crime.
jackrm 8 months ago
@jackrm Than why do liberal places such as Detroit have the highest crime rate ?
acdc30450 7 months ago
@acdc30450 Poverty. In states like CA, TX, FL, and NV, the crime rate is identical to and/or higher than states that do not have the death penalty.
jackrm 7 months ago
@Joolazoo Well actually it might as well say that. If the Bible says its okay to "stone", the throwing of rocks until death, adulterers, why wouldnt he mean if deemed necessary. stoning is killing isnt it?
Aliyahdiamond 8 months ago
i support the death penalty whole heartedly but i would gladly give it up any day to abolish the unforgiveable act of abortion. make abortion illegal and do away with the death penalty. the person that does this will get my vote in an instant.
1hogfan83 8 months ago
The Death Penalty is NEVER ok. To kill someone to set an example that it's wrong to kill other people is just hypocritical. All studies show that having a death penaly does not in any way do anything to the statistics of number of commited murders etc. Sure, some crimes are way to horrible, but it's still not justified for the state to take another persons life in to the own hands. In that case, they're are no better them-selfs.
bonzai08 8 months ago
@bonzai08
Everyone has a right to life, but when you take another innocent persons life, you forfeit your own. I support the death penalty 100%.
JKendo7 7 months ago
@JKendo7 Perhaps. But as long as the death penalty exists, there will always be a chance that an innocent person can be sentenced to death, and that misstake is not an acceptable risk.
bonzai08 7 months ago
@RichBanks2010 lol
JKendo7 8 months ago
@Joolazoo The bible say's thou shalt not "Murder". Not "thou shalt not kill."
“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image."
-Genesis 9:6
JKendo7 8 months ago
@JKendo7 Jesus also said that who ever harmed a child should have a milestone tied around their neck and thrown in the sea. I also thought that liberals advocated the separation between the Church and State ? If abortion is O.K and the Church's opinion does not matter than the Church should not have a say on the death penalty either.
acdc30450 7 months ago
@acdc30450 I didn't say the church should. If you looked back at the posts, I was replying to someone who said that the bible was against the death penalty. And I do NOT think abortion is "ok".
JKendo7 7 months ago
@RichBanks2010 lol
JKendo7 8 months ago
What a smart-ass comment at the end there. None of these clowns give a clear-cut yes or no answer to any of those tough questions, EXCEPT RON PAUL!!
torylelandkirgiss 8 months ago
While I am staunchly opposed to the death penalty, I can never understand why liberals - of which I'd be one without a doubt - see support for the death penalty and being pro-life as contradictory for the very reason that Governor Huckabee gives here. I don't share his view but I can certainly understand it.
GusF 9 months ago
If you think I hate, then I must tell you that there is a boundary between hate and justice.
TheSesela 9 months ago
Mercy to a murderer is, and always will be, crime to the victims. That is the truth, and there is NOTHING Christianity, or any other religion, can do anything about that.
TheSesela 9 months ago
@masterhans. Yes, let's say that there is Christian logic for a minute, even though there isn't actually.
In the Old Testament, God demanded the blood of those who won't follow him and those who do heinous crimes. The followers of this God did their job very well. Why can't we do the same, since we already have the permission? Jesus preached forgiveness, but he never said that you must disregard what the murderer deserves. You can forgive, but that does not mean you'll spare him.
TheSesela 9 months ago
@cuagmirag. You have shallow opinion of justice. You want justice to a killer, when it is the VICTIM who needs justice. By stripping someone's life, which in turn strips his RIGHT to live, the murderer does not deserve to live. God in the Old Testament demanded that non-followers other sorts of disgusting criminals to be killed. I SUGGEST WE FOLLOW HIM! LOGIC here?
TheSesela 9 months ago
lets use christian logic for a second here:
if god is the one who gives life, shouldnt he be the ONLY one having the right to take it?
at least thats the logic pro-lifers use when it comes to abortions and i think theres nothing wrong having this opinion, but how about being consistent and not twisting and turning it just how you like it?
being consistent means applying this logic to EVERY single case and not picking out these and ignoring those.
masterhans 9 months ago
death penalty is "Justice" killing somebody, since when justice is a murderer?
cuagmirag 9 months ago
Continuation:
being trapped in a lonely?
And don't bring about religious-nonsense reasons. If you're a Christian, look at the Old Testament. Thousands of people being killed because they're heathens and murderers? Please don't disregard that. Showing MERCY to willing murderers and rapists is IMMORAL, because you're devaluing the life of the victim and instead valuing the life of the monster/s.
TheSesela 9 months ago
Cotninuation:
Let's say that for 10 suspects, 1 is innocent. SO WHAT? You would fret over ONE innocent life in exchange for the safety of thousands of people? Previous leaders DIDN'T become leaders by making such irrational decisions. It's not that I disregard that one life, but because I'm wiling to take the risk for countless others.
And if you prefer lifetime imprisonment... tell me: Are you ignorant to not notice that there are hundreds of convicts that are innocent? Is death better than
TheSesela 9 months ago
@Hper man and all Con-Death Penalty. Don't expect that justice from any nation will be perfect. And don't bring up this "some-people-are-innocent" bullshit. Why, you may ask? Because the reasons are simple. 1)Justice, like life, isn't perfect. Stop WHINING because you also make mistakes. 2)That's too IMMATURE of you to bring this issue because this conversation is about AND ONLY about whether death penalty is moral or not. Telling me that for 10 suspects executed there is 1 innocent is stupid.
TheSesela 9 months ago
nice dodge of the question
matchbox555 10 months ago
So eloquently spoken he dodges the question, but still has the entire audience howling like a pack of uncivilized morons. The answer is obvious Jesus would not have the death penalty in place he was all in favor of forgiveness and second chances.
foxisajoke 10 months ago
response as a civilized nation is lower ourselves to kill a killer? and we claim to be civil?
MrEvilPiggy 10 months ago
Who cares what jesus would do, jesus was just an idiotic cult leader that thought he was the son of an imaginary invisible deity. I don't think cult leaders qualify to be an authority on the DP.
IndividualParties 10 months ago
he didn't even say what jesus would do?
smartie34 11 months ago
illinois you are wrong What about the victims specialy when they killed a child that is not inhuman please what rights do they have when they violated their victims rights in the first place you dont get put in death row for nothing
jimtuyo 11 months ago
fetuses, sperm, and eggs, are alive. so are bacteria.
nicesocialgirl 11 months ago
No killing, abusing, or neglecting/denying each prisoner of access to daily minimum: 3cup veggies, 2cup fruit, 4oz whole grain, 1cup beans, 1.5oznuts, #of calories/height, air quality index 0-50, 8teaspoon toothpaste, floss, healthcare. Sanitation, 5 gallon safe to drink water: heats to 80+degress, cools to 60-, shelter: heats to 68+, cools to 80-, bed, clothes shoes, noise 0-85db
nicesocialgirl 11 months ago
Mike Fuckaby is a moron.
fullclip16117 1 year ago
@fullclip16117 way to make an intellegent and factual statement based on what you wrote. Oh wait you didnt write anything else. Nevermind then. Sorry for the false compliment
Metallica3636 1 year ago
"Death Penalty is incompatible with all that, for 2000 years, humanity thought the highest, and dreamed the noblest"
Jaures
"Death penalty is the permanent and universal sign of human barbarism".
Hugo
nonoar234 1 year ago
Oh come on! Way to completely avoid the question Huckabee. Honestly, what would Jesus do--support the death penalty or oppose it?
oswaldomcbolland 1 year ago
As far as WWJD? Well my understanding is he told us to obey the laws of the land. That also came with a warning (paraphrasing here...) that we should live righteous so that we are not subject to some of the things within the laws.
Personally I think we should get rid of the Death Penalty....or at least....make every person who votes on it watch someone die in the electric chair to make sure you have the full picture. Same with partial birth abortions.
mrhoffame 1 year ago
Dictatorships around the world and of course the USA are doing it. Thank god for living in civilized Europe.
TinyArts 1 year ago
I guess some of these Christians never really took Jesus's message serious at all. Death penalty does not deter crimes, and is really nothing more than a tool of revenge to bring closure to the victims. Nothing wrong with wanting revenge though, but I highly doubt that Jesus himself would support it. Just saying here, not taking any sides of the debate regarding the death penalty.
tung2sai 1 year ago
Life in prison is an alternative to the death penalty.
jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
give the state the power to execute people. yeah pretty bad idea...
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei
So who should execute murderers then, if not the state?
theporksicle 1 year ago
@theporksicle No one. arguments for it are ridiculous, which is why no civilized nation uses it with the exception of the u.s. and other third world countries / dictatorships
Darusdei 1 year ago
@Darusdei
So if someone murders someone I care about I should just take it? Or anyone else for that matter? Let the courts give them a few years in prison, after which they get out and get to carry on with their lives even though their victim is gone forever and their victim's family will suffer for the rest of their lives?
theporksicle 1 year ago
So what happen if there's innocents on death row? Pro death penalty supporters never addressed this issue. We still have the higest murder rate in this country even those having a death penalty. We should put this rapist to work and pay the victim's money in return. and what about cameron todd willingham? Go look him up on YT and see. i think death is too easy on rapistsand life w/o parole would be more painful. Not saying i support crinimals or anything because our justice sytem is flawed.
Hperman09 1 year ago
@Hperman09 For every innocent there are a thousand guilty scum bags. The death penalty does deter crime. Places such as NYC, LA, DC, Detroit, DC have the highest crime rate because the liberals who run those cities are soft on crime. Criminals for fitted their rights the minute they decided to violate the rights of citizens. A man has the right to walk down the street with out being stabbed to death for his wallet, a woman with out the fear of being raped, and a child with out being kidnapped.
acdc30450 7 months ago
Its funny how a minister endorses the death penalty. As a minister myself I can confidently say that this man is not qualified to be a minister since Christ does not endorse killing others.
However I do believe that justice is good. Keeping people in a cage seems pretty cruel but its much better than steeping down to those who kill by killing yourself. The death penalty is not something Christ would do. Its something Huckabee has done and will continue to endorse.
SpeakGodSpeak 1 year ago
@SpeakGodSpeak God was with Noah when He flooded the earth killing the evil people. God was with Moses and Joshua when they fought Egypt. I could go through the WHOLE Bible listing where God has supported justice being death. God says do not murder. People that get the death penalty must have done some crazy things, in most cases committing murder. Who are you to say Christ dose not endorse killing others. He dose ALL the time. Thank you.
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SpeakGodSpeak 1 year ago
"What would Jesus do?" It is a very good question, I dont think he would have sentenced anyone to Death.
ProsperityGlobal 1 year ago
@ProsperityGlobal
Jesus probably wouldn't have, and honestly I see no reason why Christians, or religious people in general actually, support the death penalt as when a murderer or other evil person dies surely they will suffer a fate infinitely worse than death when in Hell?
It makes more sense for agnostics and atheists, like me, to believe it as we don't have the safety of knowing the evil will be punished in the hereafter.
theporksicle 1 year ago
Applause for killing people....yipeee!!!!
Resenbrink 1 year ago
well the bible says god forgives all sins dose that mean hitler is in heaven?
joeythelips69 2 years ago 4
@joeythelips69 no it does not
ZEEECHET 5 months ago
@joeythelips69 Well it means that if Hitler had realized his sins and honestly repented and asked for forgiveness; he would be in heaven. But this is a contraversial point in christianity and there are many different views of God's forgiveness. I do believe that God would have forgiven even Hitler. Hell He may even forgive George W. =)
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@joeythelips69 Nope, because you have to ask for forgiveness.
MrTitiez 4 months ago
I don't know how John McCain beat him. Come on.
ziggy196 2 years ago 9
@ziggy196 Me either........
janieusa 1 year ago
@ziggy196 yea he is dumber than mccain and it's always the dumbest republicans that rep the right
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 11 months ago
US... the only western country that has a death penalty... the US also incarcarates people more than any other country in the world... it sounds abit Ironic when you call it "The Land of the Free" ;)
is there loads of pot smokers put behind bars or like what? :D
Darusdei 2 years ago
That politician speaking is a complete hypocrite.
degree7 2 years ago
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Another proof that christians are fucking assholed hyprocrites!!Just answer the fucking question bastard!!what would jesus do(PBUH) would he approve the death penalty or not?!!fucking hyprocrite!!
sshapewa 3 years ago
What would Jesus do? No one knows, None of us can go back in time and ask Jesus, so what is the point in asking that question?
Spiresx 3 years ago
exactly.
jonbar87 2 years ago
You do not have to go back in time. He is Eternal, beyond time. You can know Him, and ask Him for yourself. But He is more interested in answering questions about your life and actions rather than hypothetical questions that are beyond your immediate concern. You can know Him if you want to. But most people wait until they are in such bad shape that no one else will help them. Then they call Jesus. He still answers, though. Bless you.
xerosisonek 2 years ago
Lemme guess...you're a piece of shit that supports abortion though, right?!
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
i dont support abortion!!but i dont care if people abort their own babies,but for a criminal to take away my loved one's life,needs to be burned to death!!are u a criminal or what!!
sshapewa 3 years ago
You "don't support abortion," yet you "don't care if people abort their own babies"? What a hypocrite! I SUPPORT the death penalty! Do you?
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
what iam saying is that i will never ever suggest anybody to abort their babies!!but i cant make the decision.same as i will never suggest anyone to have casual sex but i cant make the decision its up to the person.death penalty is good,noone asks to be mugged,robbed or killed!!the harsher the penalty like burning the criminals to death in public will at least deter other criminals!!
sshapewa 3 years ago
Well, then I agree w/you. I was confused at first. I thought you were calling Huckabee a criminal, because he SUPPORTED the death penalty. I apologize to you for the earlier comments I made.
take care.
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
The death penalty is the most heinous crime.
degree7 2 years ago
Why? I love how ppl like you make blanket statements, and then don't back them up with facts or-at least-SOME reasoning.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
degree7 2 years ago
Well then "Plato", I've got one for you "The only victims are the innocent."
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
It's Ghandi you fucktard, and yes, the victims in the death penalty are not only the inoocent men put on death row but also the people who support and make the decisions to execute them.
Hombre.
degree7 2 years ago
Asshole! I called you Plato, cause you think you're some type of philosopher. You're just a punk bitch that can't answer a question, so you act as vague as you can. You're a stupid fuck. The victims are those whose lives were taken by those animals. The victims are the prison guards that have to watch over them. The victims are the other people in jail (who haven't committed crimes that are nearly an heinous). You're statement !
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
(continued).. You're statement makes no sense.. "The victims are the people who support and make the decisions to execute them." How can they be victims (in your eyes) if they are making the decision to execute ppl? You make zero sense. I hope you don't breed, dumbfuck
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Listen, Bitch, do you really think it's viable for a government to operate with a course of action that is two thousand years old?
By killing prisoners, we're no better than those that we execute! A lot of them have been inocent as well!
In this day and age, how is it civilized to put a man or woman to death like a dog?
degree7 2 years ago
Now if you had at least one brain cell, then you could have deducted what I was trying to say without me having to explain it to you like I'm giving a lecture to a retarded fascist monkey!
There's you're 'reasoning', pendejo.
degree7 2 years ago
OOh...let's throw a Spanish word in there, to try & sound more educated. I'll play too! Listen to me jota; that's the 1st COMMENT you actually made explaining anything. That's all you would've had to do (instead of getting on here & being a wise ass). There are very few innocent prisoners executed by the system nowadays. There are SEVERAL murderers however, that kill other prisoners and prison guards in jail. How are we supposed to protect them. You might actually have to think on this one.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Well you see, that's why they have maximum security prisons or special padded cells for the truly crazy ones.
And how can you say that even very few innocent prisoners being executed is a good thing? Even very few is way too much.
Even if you are executing people who have murdered, it's still immoral. In the end, we're no better than those that kill.
And I'm calling hombre since you're a acting like some tough guy prick.
degree7 2 years ago
"Well you see, that's why they have maximum security prisons or special padded cells for the truly crazy ones."
LOL! You're kidding right?! Even in maximum security prison, ppl still have to leave their cells to take showers, visit a doctor, etc. They can (& STILL do) murder guards. Familiar with Richard Ramirez (aka..the Nightstalker)? He tried to slash (wife killer) ,Scott Peterson, in prison a few yrs back...BOTH are on death row. I'm not excusing the execution
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
(continued) of innocents; I'm just saying don't exaggerate the amount of those (who are innocent) that are executed; it's actually a rareity.
As far as the Spanish goes,
i was talking about you calling me pendejo. Your a dork; any1 can insult ppl in Spanish..it's not that hard.
Like I said, your a moron..you haven't made 1 valid argument yet. All you can do is call me names. Keep dancing around the issue.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Wait wait wait. Let's start over. First off, and eye for an eye penalty is should not be the form of justice that a "civilized" government should be utilizing. Second, yeah, sure, there are plenty of people that we all want dead, but that does not give us the right to kill them!
Third, sure, prison guards face danger everyday. It's part of their job. And not all prison guard's lives are threatened by inmates on death row alone.
degree7 2 years ago
No, I'm not kidding. They have different prisons for different kinds of criminals. And you know what? You're never going to be able to stop convicts from attacking guards or employees in the prisons, no matter how many you kill off.
Of course there are people who we all want executed, but that means you can't excuse the other people who are on death row. It could just as easily be you or me.
degree7 2 years ago
You're doing the exact same thing I'm doing, if you haven't noticed.
degree7 2 years ago
"You're doing the exact same thing I'm doing, if you haven't noticed."
Wrong. I've provided concrete examples of scenarios in which "Life in Prison" doesn't work; I've been providing these since the beginning of your argument. You tried to skirt the argument by using cliched sayings to get your point across (as opposed to actually having to lay down any facts to back it up). It's only NOW that you are actually presenting any real points to your argument.
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"They have different prisons for different kinds of criminals."
Actually most prisons are integrated; they have seperate wings/areas depending on the crime. We can't afford to build separate prisons; we're too busy caring for criminals who should be asking for a last meal instead of Rogaine (no I'm not joking here..club med-aka California prisons-actually provide it for prisoners). 1 prisoner-on death row, no less-recently got open heart surgery (The DNA from his crime was irrefutable).
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(continued)"You're never going to be able to stop convicts from attacking guards or employees in the prisons, no matter how many you kill off."
So is the answer to dismiss the lives of the guards? Oh well...a few are gonna die here or there anyway..right? Is that your attitude? That prisoner's lives are more important than the guards' lives!? In my opinion, you FORFEIT the right to life, when you take another's. You, yourself, acknowledged these prisoners can still be animals when behind bars.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Whatever man, I've been laying down my facts same as you have. Only difference is that you're being an obnoxious asshole about the whole argument.
Anyway, yes, I find a guard's life important, but I don't find anyone's more important that you should be killing off prisoners for those reasons alone.
And why are you referring to prisoners as them? It could just as easily be us. We. Human Beings.
degree7 2 years ago
If I've been obnoxious, then I'm not the only 1. Like I said, I'm not the 1 that 1st resorted to childish name-calling; either way, I'm w/ you...let's start over.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is that execution prevents that person from committing future murders. There's nothing civil about allowing 1 person to live, where he can take the lives of others. I don't have a problem w/ giving life in prison (even though-as I said-you should forfeit your life if you take another) if that person
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
(continued) has shown no other signs of violence before or doesn't have a violent criminal record. However, if their are signs or paperwork trails showing violent history, then-chances are-they aren't going to change their behavior. This is especially true with serial killers.
I know that any of us could be falsely accused. The fact is, that rarely anyone falsely ends on up death row. That's also why we have appeals.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
There's nothing civil about allowing a person to live when he's taken a life huh? (assuming you have complete faith in your justice system) So it's civil just to kill him and forget about him, case closed?
If someone kills someone else, what right does that give you to kill them in return. It's hypocritical! If a man murders his wife, does that give me the right to inflict justice upon this man and kill him too?
degree7 2 years ago
"If a man murders his wife, does that give me the right to inflict justice upon this man and kill him too?"
Should we just let that man murder others too? Like I said, if that is his only murder (as horrific as it is) then..okay..give him life in prison. If he's a habitual violent offender, then why SHOULD WE let him live? The only thing hypocritical is someone saying life should be preserved, but allowing that person to take the life of another. It just shows how flawed that argument is.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
If he's a habitual violent offender, then lock him away for life regardless!
degree7 2 years ago
And how do we protect the lives of others in prison?
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
You know, they're fucking prisons man, tough shit goes down in them everyday involving murderers and phsycos that aren't even on death row in the first place.
degree7 2 years ago
Wow. Do you even hear WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?!
"You know, they're fucking prisons man, tough shit goes down in them everyday" a.k.a.."No big deal. If we put them in prison, and they kill each other, our hands are clean."
I've got some news for you; if you put a non-violent person in prison with psychotic violent idiot, and that non-violent person gets killed, then you are just as guilty of the murder as the psycho is. I don't care how you attempt to rationalize it; Even if you use the
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
(continued) excuse of "well their just prisoners," you still can't justify the murder of a prison guard. That person is totally innocent; just because a job can be dangerous, doesn't mean we should add to that danger.Besides (in the case of 1 prisoner killing another, especially), that would actually go against your "preserve life against uncivil penalties," philosophy, wouldn't it?!
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Dude, you don't seem to understand, you kill one psycho, then there's plenty of others that could end up in a cell with a non violent person. And it's true, prisons ARE tough places, rape, murder, etc.
But you can't stop all that just by killing prisoners. You can't end violence with more violence.
degree7 2 years ago
I'm saying if you ALREADY KNOW that the person is a murderer (& violent), then you should execute him. Obviously, you can't always know who will be violent when they get to prison. If you do, however, why put someone else's life at risk? It's easy to spout rhetoric, when your on the outside. How would you like to share a
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(continued) cell w/ an unhinged psycho?! Worry that you may not wake up one night?!
'Plus, rehabilitated prisoners can make a valuable contribution to society."
Not violent murderers. You, yourself, said that we should lock them up for life.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
It's easy to support the death penalty when you're not sitting on a bunk knowing you're going to die at 8:00 am tomorrow morning.
degree7 2 years ago
What about the "rehabilitation" comment you mentioned earlier (I'm not letting you sneak away that easy). I have to tell you, that ...honestly..I don't care. If you're Otis Toole, Richard Ramirez, or any of the other zillion murderers that inhabit this country I don't feel sorry for you. It's also easy to say "well, an eye for an eye is barbaric..and we shouldn't take their life. It's real easy until it's someone in your family. It's amazing how many people change their stripes then!
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
It's also easier to turn away from committing a horrible crime, knowing that you may be sitting on a bunk someday knowing your going to die at 8:00 AM the next morning.
deathtollguy 2 years ago
I don't think it actually deters people from committing murders.
degree7 2 years ago
Well, like how you said its easier to support it when your not on that bunk. Well its also easier to support it when you know you will never make that decision. It was their choice to kill or not, they had the same chance we all have, and made the wrong decision.
deathtollguy 2 years ago
Life isn't that simple.
degree7 2 years ago
The USA should do more scare tactics to more effectively deter murders. Like... saying they will die in the same manner their imagination came up with for their victims to die, or something idk...
deathtollguy 2 years ago
Tough shit, millions of people get cancer or some other disease and die every year, why are you worrying about someone who, by committing a murder, effectively CHOSE to die?
theporksicle 2 years ago
Because what gives us the right to put someone to death? Yeah, some governor just signs some papers and then that's it, you're going to be executed.
degree7 2 years ago
Well the fact they murdered an innocent person gives us the right.
By your rationale what gives us the right to put someone in prison?
Personally I'd let the victim's family decide what happened to them, if any member of the victims family wished they be executed then they would be executed.
theporksicle 2 years ago
Don't you think an 'eye for an eye' is rather an old way of life to be living by, considering it's a 2000 year old philosophy?
You know, life isn't that simple to be able to determine, "oh that person killed that person, off they go for the lethal injection!"
By the way, have you read the book, 'The Innocent Man'?
degree7 2 years ago
No I haven't, but I will.
It may be a 2000 year old philosophy, is Jesus' love thy neighbour outdated too?
I'm not a Christian, so and eye for an eye is just a good rule to live by for me, its not some kind of commandment.
I'm talking about clear cut cases, of which there are many, for example. Individual breaks into house, massacres the people sleeping in it (who he had no prior contact with) and makes off with jewellery and cash. I can't see how anyone could say that didn't warrant the dp.
theporksicle 2 years ago
Well, it does. But it won't solve a damn thing if the court puts that man to death. OK, so it serves justice for the families, but does revenge or justice (a two sided coin) really solve anything or put someone's mind to rest? There have been thousands of debates about this.
Not to mention, the death penalty is remarkably inconsistent. Innocent people have been put to death while others manage to get away into states or countries that don't support it.
degree7 2 years ago
I can see your point of view, I understand people who have concerns about the implementation of the dp in an imperfect society (of course in a perfect society you would not need it) but I have a hard time understanding people who think murderer's don't deserve it.
Lets say we could prove 100% that the man in my hypothetical situation had done what he did, would you support the dp then? Its impossible to do, but assume it wasn't.
theporksicle 2 years ago
Well, that depends. Is the man mentally challenged or does he need medication?
degree7 2 years ago
Mentally challenged? Do you mean a mong? I don't do politically correct speak.
theporksicle 2 years ago
Because if he was an evil, sick bastard, and he had murdered my family, I'd kill him myself. Not that it would bring my family back, nor would it solve anything. Revenge is an emotional flaw. That flaw shouldn't be brought into our justice system. Judging a crime should not involve emotion, but that's what capital punishment does.
Unfortunately, it's never truly possible to know the nature of a crime. The best thing that can be done is to lock up the truly rotten apples for life.
degree7 2 years ago
No you wouldn't kill him yourself, because you couldn't, he'd be behind bars and 99.999% of people would chicken out anyway, myself included. Which is why justice, as handed out by the courts, must reflect the wishes of a victim (within reason, which is why we have stauatory limits to the punishments available for a crime).
theporksicle 2 years ago
Seems you answered your own question.
degree7 2 years ago
Not really, my question was to you, I couldn't possibly answer it.
I was wondering why you think it would be okay for you to kill someone in revenge but not for the law to do it on your behalf after a proper trial, appeals etc.
theporksicle 2 years ago
That's the point I'm trying to make. It wouldn't be okay for me to extract revenge.
degree7 2 years ago
And yes, Jesus is outdated.
degree7 2 years ago
And cases aren't always as clear cut as the one you just mentioned. Put that man to death and you have to follow through with similar convictions. People dying is not an easy task to evaluate, whether it was a crime of passion, or murder, or revenge, an accident, or whatever. A wrongful conviction can lead to someone's death.
I just don't think our justice system is consistent enough to administer capital punishment, nor will it ever be with people running the show.
degree7 2 years ago
And uh, in answer to your previous question, YES the prisoners lives are just as valuable as the guards lives. Not all prisoners are scum bags man.
How many guards have been killed versus how many prisoners executed?
degree7 2 years ago
Many. Especially in prison riots. More guards have been killed than ppl executed. Plus, many prisoners (especially here in Prisneyland) get 20 + years of appeals. Even the most heinous rarely get executed. Unfortunately, they tend to inflict terror on others.
soundsfromnothing 2 years ago
Plus, rehabilitated prisoners can make a valuable contribution to society.
degree7 2 years ago
Let me guess...you're a piece of shit that's against the death penalty...yet supports abortion!
soundsfromnothing 3 years ago
Jesus totally agreed with the death penalty, and supports it even today! He never disputed Pilate's authority to execute Him, but only reminded Pilate to be careful how he used that "power of the sword." (Romans 13:1-5) Christians are in no way "hypocrites" over support of the death penalty. Jesus SUPPORTS the death penalty because it is BIBLICAL, and He IS the Word made Flesh! Period
AmericaTops 3 years ago
Jesus decided at least one death penalty case. The accused was undoubtedly guilty. He let her off scot-free - w/o condemnation and with only His Command (which carries with It the ability to obey) to "go and sin no more." (John 8:1-11) The merciful receive mercy. God desires mercy not sacrifice. (Matthew 5:7, 9:13) "The law was given through Moses, but grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ." (John 1:17) He bore our sins in His own Flesh on the tree. He has shed His Blood that we may live.
xerosisonek 2 years ago
Mike Huckabee has the experience, wisdon, integrity and character to lead this country and be a president who honestly cares about ALL of us whether Democrt or Republican. Read his book on vertical politics! The politician of the future...Mike Huckabee president 2012!
nrobyar 3 years ago 5
FUCK YOU!!! YOU FUCKING GOEVERNMENT PIGS!!! youre all worse than the "criminals" you kill!!!
aydooknow 3 years ago
thats what all the republican clones say
MurasakiShikibufan 3 years ago
hypocritical asshole is it ever justified no matter the circumstances to kill a fellow human?
NO!!!!!!
hornedbeast91 3 years ago
Huckabee didn't answer the question.
He responded with a joke.
You see, this is the problem with "Conservative Christians."
They do what THEY want, and when asked the telltale question..."uhmm..so you're a 'christian'..right..? Well..what would Jesus do?", they avoid it at all costs. So to deny what CHRIST would have obviously done, which is spare a human life, isn't that one of the most ANTI-Christian things a person could do? I find it kinda takes the meaning out of "Conservative Christian"
DarkTranceWizard 3 years ago
WOW! Religioni should not be involved in politics so F "what would jesus do" crap and depending on the crime should death be given. eye 4 and eye style here.
Metallicaman007 3 years ago
I think you're right~ allbatross
kunzx037 3 years ago
to say that Jesus wouldn't run for office is just ducking the question.
the1986albatross 3 years ago 2
Ducking the question...???
ckckckckkckck...
Did you notice that the question was very unappropriate to ask at the first place...???
Mike Huckabee wisely try not to answer directly coz he knows that his answer will be used not only to judge him, but also Jesus and Christianity as a whole... As an ordinary individual with many limitations, he choose the right thing to do, not to mistakenly represent the greatness and the deepness of the wisdom that God posses!!!
Indonesia for Huckabee!!!
heydemans 3 years ago 2
The death penalty should be implemented more often. These people that qualify for the death penalty have done such hanus acts that they are un deserving of life. Espescially the cake walk life that our prisons implement now! If you are a convicted multi-murderer you need to be put down. A bullet to the head is cheap, quick, painless, and would save the govenment and taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars instead of paying for them to lounge around and be pampered in prison for their lives!
thebigjonson 3 years ago
Though Jesus promoted death and distruction, as an atheist I can tell you that no civilized society is more correct in executing a person that a murderer is correct in killing a person. Indeed, the United States is not civilized, as we are the only first world country that has not banned the "death penalty".
EricMS00 4 years ago
The death penalty is more expensive than a life in prison sentence and has never been proven to deter crime. States that have repealed the death penalty have not typically seen a spike in violent crime and states that have reinstated it have not usually seen a decrease in crime.
There is no way to logically (or spiritually) justify the death penalty. The only reason we keep it is because people want REVENGE, and that is not the way our justice system should work.
jennysjunkinthetrunk 4 years ago
1. An estimated 17% of cases without DNA evidence are incorrect convictions (statistic comes from cases in which DNA evidence became available after the fact).
jennysjunkinthetrunk 4 years ago
2. Whether or not the adult who is put to death is guilty, he has the ability to suffer more than an unborn child. By suffer I mean the emotional side of death - understanding what death is, anticipating the event, etc.
3. Lawyers who work with murders will tell you that many, if not most, extremely violent criminals have either a severe front lobe injury (which greatly impairs judgment and self-restraint) or a severe addiction (which can also damage there brain.
jennysjunkinthetrunk 4 years ago
that is cruel .you say it is wrong to kill good peoples but murderers who changed and said many years sorry for the things they've done are not good/that is not true.you never know if they changed and that is why you have to expect that they are good again otherwise you would kill a good person....One life on risk and that's the way it is ...hate it or love it
danieljemorej 4 years ago
Every child can turn into good or evil we knew the risk that a human being can turn into evil and that is why we're also murderers.that is why you have to forgive.
death is death.If you made a mistake so think about .How would you feel if you made a mistake and you exactly know that you want to change or you changed your personality but no one's interested to let a good people live.
danieljemorej 4 years ago
I'm sorry i mean good person...smile.
danieljemorej 4 years ago
You tell 'em
MurasakiShikibufan 4 years ago
Concerning capitol punishment, I will always choose grace to the extent that it is possible and practical because I believe, that is Jesus' teaching for me. However I recognize that Roman 13:4 states that the ruling authority is an agent of God's wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. And that punishment may very well be capital punishment.
Grr8Sound 4 years ago
Finally, a Christian who is not afraid to tell the TRUTH. Capital punishment IS necessary to any civilized society that values innocence over guilt. What would Jesus do? Open your bible and read for yourself: "I came not to bring peace, but the sword." "As for he who scandalizes one of these little ones, it would be better that a millstone be tied around his neck and that he be cast in the sea." Sounds like capital punishment to me. By the way, Hell is about as capital as punishment can get.
gbescaro 4 years ago
Huckabee parolled Wayne DuMond a convicted rapist who would have spent life in prison, but Huckabee parolled him and afterwards Wayne DuMond raped and killed 2 women.
buddyfreakinholly 4 years ago