"By nature the Holy Spirit in his being takes substantially his origin from the Father through the Son who is begotten (Questions to Thalassium 63 [A.D. 254]).
When i was talking about a changing, i was talking about devine Liturgy and theology. YES THERE IS heresy in R-Catholic "Church".The changing of "Symbol of Faith" or "Filiokve".
Many Psalms in Orthodox chanting are old almoust as time of apostles. !!!!!!!!!!
"Concerning the Holy Spirit . . . it is not necessary to speak of him who must be acknowledged, who is from the Father and the Son, his sources" (The Trinity 2:29 [A.D. 357]).
"[The] Father conveys the notion of unoriginate, unbegotten, and Father always; the only-begotten Son is understood along with the Father, coming from him but inseparably joined to him. Through the Son and with the Father, immediately and before any vague and unfounded concept interposes between them, the Holy Spirit is also perceived conjointly" (Against Eunomius 1 [A.D. 382]).
@gtepp031387 So why if the Holy Spirit is from The Son, He was sent on the Apostles after the Ascension of JC and not when JC was on the Earth ? The Father = -> Holy Spirit=Son
@ar6inkov The holy spirit is from the father and the son, the holy spirit was sent by the son through the father, the holy spirit is GOD inseperable joined to the father and the son.
@ar6inkov and Jesus did give the holy spirit before the acention, he breathed on the apostles and said recieve the holy spirit, what else does this signify then the holy spirit proceeds also from the son?
@ar6inkov "Why, then, should we not believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds also from the Son, when he is the Spirit also of the Son? For if the Holy Spirit did not proceed from him, when he showed himself to his disciples after his resurrection he would not have breathed upon them, saying, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit’ [John 20:22]. For what else did he signify by that breathing upon them except that the Holy Spirit proceeds also from him" - St Augustine (Homilies on John 99:8 [A.D. 416]).
@gtepp031387 We do not believe this because it is contrary to the decisions of the Seven Ecumenical Councils.
All your quotes are rather interesting, but no where in the Ecumenical Councils does it state that the "Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son". The Holy Spirit is sent into the world by the Son. It is not "through the Son", or "from the Son" or any other nonsense.
I find nothing in Gregory of Nyssa writings that he states "through the Son."
@trueorthodoxfaith The councils where not summoned to give a complete and full definition and border on the faith. If they where then the cannon itself would be of no use. The holy fathers have spoken the spirit proceeds from, with, and through the son. It is also his spirit. The 7th ecumentical council says "through the son" as well as the council of florence. which is at least the closest thing, if not one, to an ecumentical council we have seen since the 7th century,
@gtepp031387 You are wrong and very mistaken. The Seven Ecumenical Councils are the authority of the church. They defined the church, her dogmas and theology and doctrines.
Where ever you are getting your info, it is incorrect. The 7TH Council dealt with the iconoclasts. "Through the Son"does not exist in the Nicene Creed. You are being fed wrong info.
@trueorthodoxfaith Sry no I have my facts straight. The 7 councils are authoritative, but they are not a complete full definition and border on the faith. The fathers, the tradition, and the scirpture together with the councils is the full faith, to reject either one is fatal.
@gtepp031387 The Councils are based upon Scriptures, traditions. They define the church dogmas, doctrines, and canons, which in turn formulated the theology of the church. The early church Fathers further commented or expanded on the teachings of the church. They did not formulate theology or new dogmas or canons. You are mistaken the faith does not need to be "defined".
@trueorthodoxfaith Tell me why where the councils conviened? was it to offer a complete deinition and border of the faith, or where they held to deal with herisy? The councils do not incompass the complete faith, they are PART of the faith.
@gtepp031387 I did not state that. If you would look into the Seven Ecumenical Councils, they dealt with every aspect of the early church from Scriptures, heresies theological issues etc.. The Councils laid the foundation of the faith, with their dogmas and doctrines. Get real.
@trueorthodoxfaith I have looked into the councils, I know there importance and belive them to be infallible, they are not however a complete and all incompassing definition and border of the faith. One of the cannons of the councils even states we must hold to ALL tradition of the church, the Sts the fathers, the holy scripture, the oral tradition, all, not just the councils!
At the end of the video the Patriarch and the Pope exchanged the wish "Christ is risen, truly he is" in Greek. I find this beautiful and inspiring. Sign of our ancient roots and need for Unity. As it was in the beginning.
@Grmario85 And how do you think that heresy and true can unite? Please explain me how wrong and rite can unite, how true and false can unite? It is work of devil, to ruin the one true Apostolic Orthodox Church of Christ which made it to guard its ancient Faith for 2000 years, without any change!
@3SRBIJACCCC Look i don't know your Academic level on these issues but what you are saying is ridiculous. There is nothing false and heretical in catholics or orthodox they are just different traditions. The orthodox church also has changed a lot since the Apostolic times. You think elders of the first centuries were wearing these Priestly garments, the churches had icons before the altar? the hymns and songs were the same? open a history book!!! Only the Gospel is the same.
@Grmario85 The Orthodox clothes were established in first eccumanical gathering 1700 years ago. Chanting depends on what Orthodox nation is. Russians,Serbs,Greeks,Georgians,every-one has its style.
When i was talking about a changing, i was talking about devine Liturgy and theology. YES THERE IS heresy in R-Catholic "Church".The changing of "Symbol of Faith" or "Filiokve".
Many Psalms in Orthodox chanting are old almoust as time of apostles.
@Grmario85 Icon-wall was put in to Churches in very early Christian history, to protect the holy communion from those who were coming to recieve holy communion in their interests not because they love God,but because Roman emperors became Christians. So yes, you should open a history book, but when you open it read few pages about the first fall of Constantinople or inquisitions!
@Grmario85 You are wasting your time engaging him on these issues. In every video which talks about relations between Catholic and Orthodox Christians he spews his hate-filled drivel. One who is living in Christ should be filled with Joy and Love. I can discern neither in him. I for one, pray for greater unity between the Orthodox, Catholic, and Anglican rites that is fostered from humility, respect for each other's traditions, love for God and neighbor, and charity of heart.
I am a westerner. Raised haphazardly in Christianity. What does 'Unity' mean? Sometimes I wonder if all this diplomacy has any value other than exotic travel? That's not meant to be a cheap shot, This Pope has a tough job... standing as a custodian of a tradition and passing it forward to the next generation. Day by day, all things change. Time works like that, and the Future is more than the un-lived Past. If a man wants a better world, he works to make it. Being Pope is history.
My dear brethren in Christ. What a beautiful video indeed. I'm Christian by conviction. By practice I love celebrating my faith as an Orthodox Christian, nevertheless I'm Christian and In Christ first. The Orthodox & Roman Catholic Church are estranged brothers who have much in common. We have much more that unites us. It is sin that caused the rupture of the One church of Christ & only love through God's grace that can restore it. I have only love for my fellow Christians whoever they may be.
I'm a Romanian Orthodox Christian. His Beatitude Daniel, Patriarch of the Romanian Orthodox Church is one of the most active Orthodox high-ranking leaders worldwide ecumenically. Remember that it was Romania who was the first Orthodox country to receive the visit of a Latin Pope after centuries of schism. The feeling here, between the Orthodox and the Catholic is of communion and brotherhood. I think this should be the case everywhere and I think our most holy Jesus wants that too. Peace to all!
"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me." - John 17:20-21
Here are the facts of history, for a 1000 years. Rome is center, Fall of Western empire Byzantine emperor wanted church center moved to his city. The 28th canon of Chalcedon says so in so many words. Constantinople has become the New Rome, therefore its bishop is to have like honour to that of the patriarch of Old Rome and to be second after him. It only needed a shade more insolence to claim that the emperor could transfer all papal rights to the bishop of the city where he held his court.
Problem with announcer: they were not "one" from the 1st century - there was NO papacy in that century. Not until Charlemagne founded his "roman" "catholic" secular-religious institution on the papal myth from St. Peter (800 a.d.) was there any western church. From that time, the philosophy of Augustine brought platonic paganism - "evil body" etc - into a Christian milieu. They murdered the Orthodox bishops in place from Apostolic times and put soldiers in bishoprics. One Church was Orthodox!
Oh here we go another one. No I dont Mother superior. History shows that Orthodoxy was the original Catholic and apostolic church! The great schism of that church was soley a political one of supremacy as the Roman empire wanted to rule the world. Politics has and still is today the spoiler of monotheistic religions, no matter where one looks. Papal infallibility is a man made law, designed for purpose of supremacy, . There is but one head of christianity Christ!
Piss off tacotony,why dont you go and polish Ratszingers boots...... perhaps it may earn you a papal certificate to automatic entry into heaven. and just to give you the shits mate..."THE POPE SMOKES DOPE"!!!!!
May the Orthodox Church come into full communion with the Holy Catholic Church founded by Jesus upon St. Peter.
Like their brothers in the Byzantine Catholic rite, they are not too far away from us. The Protestants, however, I have less hope for. Not until their hubrus is stripped away will they become close to reuniting into the Church of God.
@drdst17 The Orthodox Church has always been "Catholic and Apostolic", founded by Christ. The Church is built on that rock of faith in Christ. May Rome change their added dogmas, and come back to the early Church, the Orthodox Faith.
@vasilyjc1955 Except when they SPLIT from Rome in the 11th century, and refused to accept the authority of the Pope, which comes directly from Christ himself in Matthew 16:18.
The Roman Catholic church can NEVER be wrong when it comes to matters of scriptural interpretation - Jesus himself said that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. If it did, then Our Lord was wrong.
Sorry, but the Orthodox churches were the first Protestants. They cannot claim to be true Catholics.
@drdst17 You are wrong . Rome separated from the East. Why is the authority of the pope important? Christ is the authority. Why is your interpretation of Matthew 16:18 the correct one? It was all twelve who received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. This "rock" which the Church is built was always understood to mean either Christ Himself, or the profession of faith in Christ. Salvation is through Jesus Christ, for He is the cornerstone of the Church.
@drdst17 The Roman Church is wrong by adding the filioque, changes in their "mass', the dogmas of papal infallibility ,immaculate conception and purgatory. The "gates of hell shall not prevail against it", means the faith one has in Him and His teachings.
Explain to me how the Orthodox are the first protestants. You are obviously mislead.
@vasilyjc1955 :And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "
It's pretty straight forward and literal. Again, like most Protestants, you can choose to make up your own interpretation of that scriptural verse.
Or, you can humbly submit to it. Not much seperates the Orthodox and Catholic faiths anymore, and it is my sincerest hope that the Orthodox see this and return home to where they belong.
@drdst17 I am Orthodox. Why is the Latin interpretation the correct one? It makes logical sense that the "rock" is the faith that the church will be built. There is a lot that separates the Latins and the Orthodox. I mentioned a few in my last comment.
You did not answer my question concernIng how the Orthodox are the first Protestants ?
@Neso1991 You are right why should the Catholic Church bother, The orthodox church is the first protestant church, who broke away from the true church because of political desires. The Catholic church is the universal church that has unity the world and defended Christendom. The Greek church, Russian church are only nationalist churchs to give their ignorant followers a greater sense of nationalism that is not true.The Nicean Creed sd in Orthodox churches today states beleive in a catholic ch
@1NYClove It was Rome who separated from the East, for political and religious reasons. The Orthodox have unity in Faith, not some universal authority. To state that the Orthodox are "the first protestants" is quite ignorant.We have been steadfast in keeping the theology and teachings of the Church.
@vasilyjc1955 No it was the Eastern Church that split! it is also quite ignorant to believe that it wasn't when the Eastern church split because they now wanted to control their own church and convert them into the EXCLUSIONARY churchs they are GREEK/RUSSIAN/ARMENIAN/ALBANIAN all are national churches that indirectly or directly exclude any foreigners and any unity with the first church (ROME). Orthodoxy states in the Nicean creed "We Believe in one Holy CATHOLIC and Apostolic church".
@1NYClove It is an historical fact that Rome separated from the East. The Orthodox are not exclusionary because they are national or ethnic.. We are united under one faith, in Jesus Christ. The word "catholic" in the Creed, means universal and whole, not Roman or Latin. In early Christianity Jerusalem was the first Church. Get your facts straight.
@vasilyjc1955 YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!! THE EASTERN CHURCH LEFT THE ROME. YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! Catholics are world wide/ Orthodoxy only in a handful of backward eastern european countries The efforts of Orthodox patriarchs towards reconciliation with the Catholic Church has been strongly criticized by some elements of Eastern Orthodoxy, Even in the Orthodox world they recognize the Bishop of Rome as they call him the FIRST among equals. St Paul and St Peter marthyred there
@1NYClove Here are the facts of history. In AD1054, Roman legates travelled to Cerularius to deny him the title of Ecumenical Patriarch and to insist that he recognize the Church of Rome's claim to be the head and mother of the churches. Cerulius refused, and the leader of the Latin contingent,Cardinal Humbert, excommunicated Cerularius,Constantinople, the Eastern Church..
Yes, the Orthodox recognize the Pope as "first amongst equals", but not his infallibility and total authority.
@vasilyjc1955 Let it be always remembered that the rise of Constantinople, its jealousy of Rome, its unhappy influence over all the East is a pure piece of Erastianism, a shameless surrender of the things of God to Caesar. And nothing can be less stable than to establish ecclesiastical rights on the basis of secular politics
@vasilyjc1955 Here are the facts of history, for a 1000 years. Rome is center, Fall of Western empire Byzantine emperor wanted church center moved to his city. The 28th canon of Chalcedon says so in so many words. Constantinople has become the New Rome, therefore its bishop is to have like honour to that of the patriarch of Old Rome and to be second after him. It is insolence to claim that the emperor could transfer all papal rights to the bishop of the city where he held his court.
@1NYClove There are two sides to every coin. Do you really think Rome never exerted political power. One example is Pope Damasus, who strengthened the power of his office and tried to make his seat of Rome the primacy seat of power in the whole church. Even at he Council of Florence, the Latins were demanding of the Orthodox to submit to Rome's claims. Rome was also jealous of Constantinople's emergence as a great power and city. Rome was center of what? All Ecumenical Councils were in the East.
@vasilyjc1955 There had been schisms between Constantinople and Rome, all of them healed up in time, but naturally all tending to weaken the sense of essential unity. From the beginning of the See of Constantinople to the great schism in 867 the list of these temporary breaches of communion is a formidable one. There were fifty-five years of schism (343-98) during the Arian troubles, 11 because of St. John Chrysostom's deposition (404-15), thirty-five years of the Acacian schism (484-519).
@vasilyjc1955 forty-one years of Monothelite schism (640-81), sixty-one years because of Iconoclasm. So of these 544 years (323-867) no less than 203 were spent by Constantinople in a state of schism. We notice too that in every one of these quarrels Constantinople was on the wrong side; by the consent of the Orthodox, too,
@vasilyjc1955 Rome in all stood out for right. And already we see that the influence of the emperor (who naturally always supported his court patriarch) in most cases dragged a great number of other Eastern bishops into the same schism. Photius had formed an anti-Roman party the party that still hated the West, was ready to revive this charge of heresy against Latins. Photius hatred and scorn of Latins was an inheritance of the mass of the Byzantine clergy.
@vasilyjc1955 How deeply rooted and far-spread it was, is shown by the absolutely gratuitous outburst 150 years later under Michael Caerularius (1043-58). For this time there was not even the shadow of a pretext. No one had disputed Caerularius's right as patriarch; the pope had not interfered with him in any way at all. And suddenly in 1053 he sends off a declaration of war, then shuts up the Latin churches at Constantinople,
@vasilyjc1955 hurls a string of wild accusations, and shows in every possible way that he wants a schism, apparently for the mere pleasure of not being in communion with the West. He got his wish. After a series of wanton aggressions, unparalleled in church history, after he had begun by striking the pope's name from his diptychs, the Roman legates excommunicated him (16 July, 1054). ROME was always the center 1st Bishop of ROME ST. PETER. The east always looked West for guidance in disputes.
@vasilyjc1955 In 2010, Patriarch Bartholomew I issued an encyclical lauding the ongoing dialogue between the Orthodox Church and and criticizing those who are “unacceptably fanatical” in challenging such dialogue. ". The encyclical stated that the dialogues between the two churches were being criticized in “an unacceptably fanatical way” by some who claim to be defenders of Orthodoxy-
@vasilyjc1955 despite the fact that these dialogues are being conducted “with the mutual agreement and participation of all local Orthodox Churches”. The Patriarch warned that "such opponents raise themselves above episcopal synods and risk creating schisms. Hopefully so called Orthodoxy can unite itself can return to the Church. Catholics were pray for unity with the Eastern church as they are our lost brothers . And we as Christians have greater threats than each other.
This is a very interesting video; it is unfortunate, however, that the comments posted hereunder - like most comments on videos at youtube - are so hateful, hysterical and irrational (and often incomprehensible...) :(
Why Is the Orthodox Church even bothering? They split from the Original Church and the original teachings of Christ, in which we to this day have not changed. Why should we bow before the Pope, who is nothing more than a Pagan and values Pagan Roman and Babylonian traditions more than Christian? Why would Orthodox unit with false believers, plain and simple. We are true believers, we don't pray to the Pope or build statues of our Popes, that is disgusting the Pope thinks he's God. I spit on him.
So the catholic idea of christian unity here, is unity under the pope. The "substitute" for Christ while he´s away (though he isn´t because we´re supposed to have the holy spirit). I´m a little shocked that the churches are actually heading towards this. Especially since the pope also has dialogue with other religions. What an opportunity for someone else to take over, to unite all religions, to bring "world order" and "peace"...
@Livanje woe to u so called christians! woe to u, u do not believe in God for if u did u would believe in the one he sent! woe to u who do not not acknowledge the authority of God given to peter and his sucssesores! woe to u who do not understand u can not enter throught the gate of heaven, for it is locked, without the keys iv placed on the seat of peter! woe to u if u believed in God u would trust his judgment and listen to the one he gave authority to teach!
@gtepp031387 oh, you mean when Peter was at Antioch?....that means that the Patriarch of Antioch has the keys....oh okay it is all straightened out then.....
@XDragasesX well it is actually u see the 1st ecumentical council straightened it out. Rome was given papel primacy this is were Peter was last and left his successore!!!! "Rome has spoken the matter is concluded"- st Augustine
All I hope is that all Christians will be somewhat united. Take out the false teachings in the Catholic Church, and it would be basically perfect. Combine the teachings of Martin Luther, and you have some unity. I don't like what my church is teaching, and I hope it can be fixed soon.
Papacy is nothing more than the political puppet of politics. The pope is NOT INFALLIABLE, he is human, save and except for politics they want him to be so. Ratsinger is a German Natzi that served under the Hitler youth. His predecessor was at least genuine as a neutral. the best ive seen till now is Patriarch Bartholomew.
@katherinebernadette Oh here we go another one. No I dont Mother superior. History shows that Orthodoxy was the original Catholic and apostolic church! The great schism of that church was soley a political one of supremacy as the Roman empire wanted to rule the world. Politics has and still is today the spoiler of monotheistic religions, no matter where one looks. Papal infallibility is a man made law, designed for purpose of supremacy, . There is but one head of christianity Christ!
@tacotony24 Piss off tacotony,why dont you go and polish Ratszingers boots...... perhaps it may earn you a papal certificate to automatic entry into heaven. and just to give you the shits mate..."THE POPE SMOKES DOPE"!!!!!
OMG you two-faced hypocrites! Here you are both Catholic and Orthodox screaming despicable things at each other, and you call yourself Christians of a Loving Jesus? HE FORGAVE HIS KILLERS! WHO ARE YOU TO NOT ACCEPT UNITY? My Orthodox friend and I have achieved COMPLETE SPIRITUAL UNITY LIKE NONE HAS EVER SEEN, in Mass, Prayers, and Jesus Christ...... If you proud fake christians looked away from your Pride, you would achieve perfect unity IN LOVE... but nooooo, let us prove who is better? SHAME!
@6MemoryOfForever9 What? have you read St. Paul saying "there will be schisms among you so that those who are of the Truth will be revealed" (I Cor 11:19)? Unity at all costs is the devil's idea of "utopia" on earth. NOT. "The Spirit of Truth will come and convict the world of sin, righteousness, and of judgment " Jn 16:8 What you're wanting is any "god" not THE God revealed to us in the Person of Jesus Christ - Who IS the way the Truth and the Life!
@JudithMatta yes, because I supposedly believe in the tooth fairy right? and how is it that you know which God I want? how about maybe I want Jesus Christ the Way the Truth and the Life? eh? again, it is not me asking for this, it is the Blessed Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ! the vision is supposedly adopted by the orthodox church, The Visions of Soufanieh... if you have a problem with it, please take it up with Jesus, not me!
If I remember correctly, the unity "achieved" was contrary to the Church's teachings. St. Mark of Ephesis preached that the bishops who ratified this would be going againts the faith. These bishops were quickly deposed, and the agreement came to nought.
As it is, the Patriarch of Rome overstepped his bounds by proclaiming himself the Vicar of Christ and the sole interpreter of the scriptures. As long as the prolioferation of Papal Supremecy exhists, there will be no unity with the Orthodox.
@cortezawwris wait is it the same Catholics that ORTHODOX PRIESTS say we can pray to their saints? or are they the Catholics that THE ORTHODOX SOUFANIEH'S VISIONS asked for the unity of both Orthodox and Catholics together?
" who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. " - 1 Timothy 4:3
I think ther'd be less a problem with molestation, NOT that it would wipe it out since we are sinners, but I believe men would be less tempted if they had thier own wives.
Don't add to the law like the jews did. Look at all the laws that were from Malachi's time to Jesus' ! Couldn't even walk on grass because to bend it was considered work !!!
@megatron6644 psychological research shows pedophilia has nothing to do with marriage.....MOST pedophiles are MARRIED WHITE MEN WITH KIDS from the age of 20 smthg and up! and anyway, pedophiles tend to seek positions that allow them to get to kids, and there is no way on Earth anyone could know they are pedophiles unless they do the act!
@6MemoryOfForever9 : I agree with you. I just think that "maybe" if it was more common to have a bunch of married priest , not that all have to, it would be a detterent . I know I have seen " To catch a predetor" Very sad. But I def. do not like the sweeping the problem under the rug. Just as cops and teachers have a position of respect and authoruty , their fall is harder and I think clergy should be prosecuted as well not hidden.
@megatron6644 oh yes I agree they should be prosecuted, by I meant they are not pedophiles because they are Catholics, Christians, or Priests! But do you really think it is good to solve it by letting them get married? it's like, hey, you can't live with abstinence, here is a woman to sleep with, so you don't sleep with kids....it's like solving slavery by killing all black people, or solving adultery by removing all women, instead of teaching humans how to control temptation!
@6MemoryOfForever9 I get you r point and agree, but I have a friend who went to seminary and told me stuff that he saw. He said there were people who struggled with homosexuality and went as an escape from shame and other reasons. But if a number of people do the same thing you're gonna have problems.
Even Hitler Youth had evidence of such problems here and there. There leader, according to witnesses/ex german military, noticed him mannerisms and comments he made. Perfect oppto satisfy desires or the heart. I agree 100% its all heart issues !
@megatron6644 well how can the Church know who is gay and who isn't? I don't know, I just hope there is more transparency in the Church hierarchy! and I don't know about gays! I mean I know Jesus said it is wrong for man to lay with man, but they seem "purer" than most heterosexual couples I know! Anybody has a reply to that? I would love your point of view, especially you megatron!
@6MemoryOfForever9 : What do you mean by purer? Like loyal? ". If that is what you mean, sorry I can't agree to that. I'm sure Straight and gay alike cheat.
@dacorom : I don't think it's fair to group gay people together with pedophiles. That's very homophobic. And I bet you know ALOT more gay people than you realize.
all of these diffrent faiths are all from the roman church if they had a sound doctrin it would have stayed one church like the orthodox church and we have plenty of saints the roman church has given all christians a bad name by their actions in the past and present a christian are not supose to hurt people, kids i belive roman church did more harm for christians every body that says anything bad about christians they are most likely speaking about roman chuch did but we are all christians
the orthodox will never recognize the pope as the head of the church the head of our church is jesus and we do not have to much in commen with the roman church we do not have child molesters how could they cover up in the orthodox they would have kicked them out we have also been atacked by them in constantinople the only way we would ever unit is if the pope gives up his claim to be GOD on earth and becomes an equal among many the orthodox will never change
Orthodox dont PRIDE themselves of Christ. Never. Orthodox are humble and suffer a lot doing the buffering for Rome so you can sleep nicely. We are not muslims to kill each other, we are Christians. /watch?v=PEHJY0T9RsQ&feature=related
@UBTUNE I'm sorry, but I can't comprehend, head or tail, of what you're trying to say. I can't help but feel that maybe I'm not coming across clearly, either. Are you fluent in English? I regret to inform you, as an arrogant American, that English is the only language I speak or understand. PS This is an interesting development, because, I believe, some of the hostility between Catholic and Orthodox is because of the discrepancies with Latin and Greek and nothing more.
@TenderTrap86 Dear friend Jesus prophecy is plain simple. 3 no from St. Peter 3 no from St. Peter in Rome. Then Peter repended. It is an astounding prophecy, love never falls wrong, and the joining of the two churches is an act of love. I repeat, we are no muslims to kill each other out.
@UBTUNE Peter's denial and repentance isn't a prophetic of a future event. Not to mention the fact that Peter denied Christ so he repented to Christ. Peter's sin wasn't against the other bishops. That "evidence" is purely subjective, as well. Many Catholic theologians can come up scripture veses that reflect Catholic "innovation", as it's been called (examples: papal supremacy, the Immaculate Conception).
@TenderTrap86 Dear friend difficult for me to judge Jesus. Talks are under way for reunification. We orthodox at every sunday mass we pray for reunification of all christians. This is a message of love.
@UBTUNE good, that is ONE Orthodox who is praying for unity.....because screaming "CHILD MOLESTERS, PEDOPHILES, ANIMALS" at catholics won't help anybody!
@TenderTrap86 Many non=christians can come up with scripture that allows them freedom for their way of life... that doesn't make it correct belief! Rome aposatsized during the reign of the frankish popes, and when challeged by their Eastern Brethren were pushed into a corner for submission. Jesus never did anything like that... so following The Way of The True Faith they excomunicated and anathemised the innovative believers until they should return to the True Faith. Yours in Christ. X
CATHOLICS, JESUS prophesised about YOUR SPLIT from orthodoxy and your rependance to orthodoxy. Vatican, Pope and St.Peter are one and the same. When Jesus was taken to Pontius Pilatus for trial St.Peter said to Christ " Chist i love u a lot and i will never BETRAY you..". Christ replied " Peter by morning 3 times you will betary me..", Peter said "...me ..no never". Peter betrayed Christ by morning 3 times. Then he remembered Christs words and cried and repended bitterly. Schismata are 3....
Here is an issue I'd to like to hear a Vatican pronouncement on. What about the Messianic Jewish movement? In a certain sense, the Messianics are a manifestation of the Evangelical/Fundamentalist branch of Christianity. They are the ones who created this movement. Still, the relationship of the Church & the Jewish world is a critical matter. What would be a Catholic view on the adaptability of Jewish liturgical norms to Christian worship?
The Orthodox and Catholic churches are very close to each other, doctrinally. We should look to bringing the Orthodox back into fullness of Communion with Rome, like they were in the first Millenium. The Protestants are so divided now that they may never be able to return home.
@drdst17 more than 23 million russians fo the rortodox church assassinated by the nazi catolic inquistion , and more than 350.000 serbs of the ortodox church assassinated by the evil franciscans , (ustashas) and in the crusades , the satanic roman catolic sect looted the ortodox church, i think is too late for the evil roman catolic assassins to come back to christianity , they been trying to destroy christianity for many centuries,
Past is passed. May the Holy Spirit enlighten the hearts and minds of all Orthodox faithful, to restore unity to the separated traditions by bringing them within the unity of the Catholic Church. St. Paul, too, rejected division and exhorted Catholic unity: "I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment" (1 Cor 1:10).
If the Catholics are serious, when they finally realize all the errors and abuse that took place in the medieval period that manipulated their doctrines, its going to cost a lot of money to re educate the priests and re introduce more traditionally liturgical worship. This would be the biggest the concern, reorganizing. Plus setting patriarchs in Spain, France, Germany and South American countries. There lots of work to do if Orthodoxy is successful with the talks.
Apostolic Canons 10, 11, and 45 (forbid common worship with the non-Orthodox) and Apostolic Canons 46, 47, and Canon 1 of the Local Council of Carthage (forbid imparting the Sacred Mysteries (sacraments) to the non-Orthodox).
orthodox and catholics never brothers!! dont forget that! If you catholics want to know something, you killed and destroyed more orthodox romanians and churches than the muslim (turks) did!!
@doctikboy hahahaha hehe good one, or confusing the pope with any possible teacher, coach, FATHER, brother, uncle, OMG EVEN FAMILY MEMBERS DO IT! WE SHOULDN'T HAVE FAMILIES THEN! BURN VATICAN AND FAMILIES AS WELL......OH AND TEACHERS!
St. Mark of Ephesus about Roman Catholics -15th century:
- "It is impossible to recall peace without dissolving the cause of the schism—the primacy of the Pope exalting himself equal to God."
- "The Latins are not only schismatics but heretics... we did not separate from them for any other reason other than the fact that they are heretics. This is precisely why we must not unite with them unless they dismiss the addition from the Creed filioque and confess the Creed as we do."
@chaunceybill St. Mark of Ephesus is not God. Do not quote him as such. If St. Mark said the moon was made out of Cheese would you believe him?? St. Mark is a saint but he is not infallible.
@rock9711 - I know, it's sad to see this happening; the religion doesn't encourage pedophilia, it discourages it. But it's not just Church members committing this, it's a lot of people from different places/backgrounds. Hopefully, there will be a stop to this.
They knowingly do not. The pedo's have used the priesthood of the Catholic Church to get access to the children. The Church has never supported this vile crap. No catholic has ever supported or defended the reasoning for pedophiles. Its disgusting.
All of this was way before the Council of Nicea & the Nicene Creed from 325 C.E. which states, "We believe in one Holy, Catholic & Apostolic Church."
Irenaeus - "The blessed Apostles (Peter & Paul), having founded & built up the Church (of Rome) . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]).
The Church was born on Pentecost about 33 C.E. when the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles & disciples. This same Church has referred to as the Catholic Church.
The Greek term "Katholikos" (meaning universal) appears in the Letter of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans: "Wherever the Bishop appears, there let the multitude be; even as wherever Christ Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church."
Slav; We have gone round in circles on our own, so now may we speak openly?
Clement and Methodius were writing in their own time and the quotes given were written at a time when Rome WAS orthodox catholic, but, when it broke away it became ROMAN Catholic, because the faith then could be adjusted to support this tyrannical power, gone were humility and service usurping those traits with POWER AND AUTHORITY. Jesus did not mean Peter to cut off the other 11!
The Orthodox and Catholics came to unity at the Second Council Of Lyon and the Council of Ferrara-Florence over 500 years ago. What happened?
Agnosticism and athiesm have created a void in the West. Islam is now filling this void. Europe is turning into Europastan. Orthodoxy and Catholicism must find the common ground and unite. They did it before.
@TenderTrap86 but the orthodox church separated again from the catholic after the turks left europe....it means they only unit with us when they need us...its pretty not good
@TenderTrap86 the common ground is that the catholics repent everything they stand for and accept the true orthodox way which has been unchanged since our Lord walked among us.
@Draza145 No. The fact remains that the Orthodox make mountains out of mole hills. The filioque and papal primacy of honor and juristiction were accepted by Orthodox prelates at Ferrara-Florence and the 2nd Council of Lyons. The Catholics only hold the Orthodox schismatic, while the Orthodox hold the Catholics as heretical, and, at the same time, their theologians declare that Roman Catholicism is too dogmatic. That's a paradox if I've ever heard one. Rome waits for the Orthodox with open arms.
@TenderTrap86 Brother, from five great patriarchic cities, Rome was the one claiming authority to change what had been unchanged for a thousand years. After that, the catholic church has changed many things in their churches, while we still today have liturgies like they always were. Don't come with your lies. We have the traditions from the apostoles while you have changed them to fit your agenda, which is only to get power and wanting money like Judas.
@Draza145 The only reason the Orthodox Church hasn't "changed" is because Orthodox prelates haven't been able to organize themselves to do so. Ther's no coherance. There hasn't been an ecumenical council recognized by the Orthodox in well over 1,000 years. Every "change" in the Catholic Church has been through an ecumenical council. The Church is a tree that continues to grow, with new branches sprouting and old ones falling off. The Orthodox tree has seen no growth since the schism with Peter.
@TenderTrap86 Brother, whether we grow or not in the fashion that you think is good is not any problem. But what do you expect brother? Our Lord himself said that we would be persecuted as He would be. Our churches have though been as best organized as they could have been during all these difficult times we have been through. Changes haven't been done because of the lack of organizing but because of this:
@Draza145 But the Orthodox Church is not One, for there are many, many juristictional problems within. This is undeniable. The Orthodox aren't organized.
@TenderTrap86 Again brother, orthodox church doesn't change itself because that would be as changing Christ. Catholics however have changed a lot of things, the word of God which he gave through his disciples. We are organized and we are getting back. You just don't seem to consider history brother. We have been under many who tried to extinguish the orthodox faith and not succeeded through our Lords help.
@Draza145 - "You just don't seem to consider history brother. We have been under many who tried to extinguish the orthodox faith and not succeeded" - Is this in reference to the Orthodox persecution in the USSR? If so, it should be duly noted that the Orthodox Church was tolerated, while the Catholic Church was completely outlawed, all together. Or, if it's in reference to the Sack of Constantinople in 1204, remember the Massacre of Latins that took place in Constantinople, only 22 years before.
@TenderTrap86 Brother, either you don't know history or you just don't want to see everything as it is. Soviet allied with the Church so it could raise patriotism for the big war. Later Khrushchev launched anti-religious movement to reduce even the Orthodox Church. They went completly by the book of Marx. No religion was left spared except the religion of Marx. The reason catholics always were suppressed, was because they were of no use in Soviet because Orthodoxy was the ruling religion there.
@Draza145 Marxism isnt a religion. It's a philosophy. / So, the fact that Catholicism was surpressed was quite alright because it wasn't the dominant religion in the USSR? Is that Christianity? /// Its well documented that Orthodox prelates collaborated with the Soviets and the communist government prodded Orthodox bishops to dangle high positions in front of Catholic bishops faces to led them astray; away from Rome. Catholic property that was confiscated by Orthodox still hasn't been returned.
@TenderTrap86 For ME Marxism, as I see it Marxism is a religion which you believe in. And yes, it is a philosophy, but so is Christianity and all other religions. You still don't understand me about Soviet. Catholics have never been dominant in Soviet countries. Orthodox Church was though. The main goal of the marxists was to eliminate every religion, but because the Orthodox Church was so deeply rooted in the people. They had to ally with the church so that patriotism would rise during WWII.
@TenderTrap86 The communists had even spies in the church, making it a valuable tool for the government. But as said, they wanted to eliminate it. Which they also tried to do after the war. The rest what you say is just what I have said but in such a fashion to make the Orthodox Church look bad. The Catholics however led a war with the nazis. That is something no one can deny.
@Draza145 The Catholics led war with the Nazis? Is there any arguement further along in your response. that I should take seriously, after that? Honestly... //// And I know of many second hand sources that say much, much worse things about the Roman Catholic Church. Is that the best you can come up with? - " That is something no one can deny."? - This statement is paramount to an individual agruing of something they know very little about.
@Draza145 Once again the old argument about a couple of bad crazy priests in order to difame the whole catholic faith!! I'm tired about you! That's so ilogic! I prefer to make, what Jesus said in MatheusGospel "make what the priests say, but do not make what the priests do" I follow the moral and the doctrine of the catholic church, I dont follow the persons.
@TenderTrap86 Brother what are you talking about? Sack of Constantinople in 1204 and massacres? The work of western Catholic crusaders. Why are you talking against y
NO UNION! Until the RCC does not reject ALL INNOVATIONS AND HERESIES.
But that will not happen!
adamantis4657 3 months ago
@adamantis4657 If the 'orthodox' are truly unchanging then how come you accept Constantinople I which adds to the Nicaean creed?
catholicpeter 1 month ago
@catholicpeter: What have we add to the Creed?
The Creed was written by St. Gregory and we READ AND PRAY IT - AS IT WAS WRITTEN BY HIM.
The RCC (sorry but it is true) HAS CHANGED THE CREED with the Filioque - which is not only an addition BUT CONTRARY TO THE PATRISTIC TEACHING.
Patristic teaching= ONLY ONE CAUSE IN THE TRINITY - the filioque TWO CAUSES - therefore WRONG
adamantis4657 1 month ago
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The Modern Catholic Church has no doctrine.
anastasia2657 4 months ago
The Orthodox Church has nothing commen with the Papacy and other church. No oneness of mind and faith in commen!
february17able 6 months ago
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@february17able To have nothing in common with the head of the temperal church of Christ is just silly.
gtepp031387 5 months ago
Maximus the Confessor
"By nature the Holy Spirit in his being takes substantially his origin from the Father through the Son who is begotten (Questions to Thalassium 63 [A.D. 254]).
gtepp031387 7 months ago
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When i was talking about a changing, i was talking about devine Liturgy and theology. YES THERE IS heresy in R-Catholic "Church".The changing of "Symbol of Faith" or "Filiokve".
Many Psalms in Orthodox chanting are old almoust as time of apostles. !!!!!!!!!!
ar6inkov 7 months ago
@ar6inkov Hilary of Poitiers
"Concerning the Holy Spirit . . . it is not necessary to speak of him who must be acknowledged, who is from the Father and the Son, his sources" (The Trinity 2:29 [A.D. 357]).
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@ar6inkov Epiphanius of Salamis
"The Father always existed and the Son always existed, and the Spirit breathes from the Father and the Son" (The Man Well-Anchored 75 [A.D. 374]).
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@ar6inkov
Gregory of Nyssa
"[The] Father conveys the notion of unoriginate, unbegotten, and Father always; the only-begotten Son is understood along with the Father, coming from him but inseparably joined to him. Through the Son and with the Father, immediately and before any vague and unfounded concept interposes between them, the Holy Spirit is also perceived conjointly" (Against Eunomius 1 [A.D. 382]).
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp031387 So why if the Holy Spirit is from The Son, He was sent on the Apostles after the Ascension of JC and not when JC was on the Earth ? The Father = -> Holy Spirit=Son
ar6inkov 7 months ago
@ar6inkov The holy spirit is from the father and the son, the holy spirit was sent by the son through the father, the holy spirit is GOD inseperable joined to the father and the son.
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@ar6inkov and Jesus did give the holy spirit before the acention, he breathed on the apostles and said recieve the holy spirit, what else does this signify then the holy spirit proceeds also from the son?
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@ar6inkov "Why, then, should we not believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds also from the Son, when he is the Spirit also of the Son? For if the Holy Spirit did not proceed from him, when he showed himself to his disciples after his resurrection he would not have breathed upon them, saying, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit’ [John 20:22]. For what else did he signify by that breathing upon them except that the Holy Spirit proceeds also from him" - St Augustine (Homilies on John 99:8 [A.D. 416]).
gtepp031387 7 months ago
@gtepp031387 We do not believe this because it is contrary to the decisions of the Seven Ecumenical Councils.
All your quotes are rather interesting, but no where in the Ecumenical Councils does it state that the "Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son". The Holy Spirit is sent into the world by the Son. It is not "through the Son", or "from the Son" or any other nonsense.
I find nothing in Gregory of Nyssa writings that he states "through the Son."
trueorthodoxfaith 6 months ago
@trueorthodoxfaith Oh Man are you Blind. It seems that you never read a Bible.
eraser695 6 months ago
@trueorthodoxfaith The councils where not summoned to give a complete and full definition and border on the faith. If they where then the cannon itself would be of no use. The holy fathers have spoken the spirit proceeds from, with, and through the son. It is also his spirit. The 7th ecumentical council says "through the son" as well as the council of florence. which is at least the closest thing, if not one, to an ecumentical council we have seen since the 7th century,
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 You are wrong and very mistaken. The Seven Ecumenical Councils are the authority of the church. They defined the church, her dogmas and theology and doctrines.
Where ever you are getting your info, it is incorrect. The 7TH Council dealt with the iconoclasts. "Through the Son"does not exist in the Nicene Creed. You are being fed wrong info.
trueorthodoxfaith 6 months ago
@trueorthodoxfaith Sry no I have my facts straight. The 7 councils are authoritative, but they are not a complete full definition and border on the faith. The fathers, the tradition, and the scirpture together with the councils is the full faith, to reject either one is fatal.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 The Councils are based upon Scriptures, traditions. They define the church dogmas, doctrines, and canons, which in turn formulated the theology of the church. The early church Fathers further commented or expanded on the teachings of the church. They did not formulate theology or new dogmas or canons. You are mistaken the faith does not need to be "defined".
trueorthodoxfaith 6 months ago
@trueorthodoxfaith Tell me why where the councils conviened? was it to offer a complete deinition and border of the faith, or where they held to deal with herisy? The councils do not incompass the complete faith, they are PART of the faith.
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 I answered this. Read my previous comment..
trueorthodoxfaith 6 months ago
@trueorthodoxfaith So they councils incompase the complete faith? The fathers that came before and the writtings of the apostles are of no use then?
gtepp031387 6 months ago
@gtepp031387 I did not state that. If you would look into the Seven Ecumenical Councils, they dealt with every aspect of the early church from Scriptures, heresies theological issues etc.. The Councils laid the foundation of the faith, with their dogmas and doctrines. Get real.
trueorthodoxfaith 6 months ago
@trueorthodoxfaith I have looked into the councils, I know there importance and belive them to be infallible, they are not however a complete and all incompassing definition and border of the faith. One of the cannons of the councils even states we must hold to ALL tradition of the church, the Sts the fathers, the holy scripture, the oral tradition, all, not just the councils!
gtepp031387 6 months ago
At the end of the video the Patriarch and the Pope exchanged the wish "Christ is risen, truly he is" in Greek. I find this beautiful and inspiring. Sign of our ancient roots and need for Unity. As it was in the beginning.
Grmario85 8 months ago
@Grmario85 And how do you think that heresy and true can unite? Please explain me how wrong and rite can unite, how true and false can unite? It is work of devil, to ruin the one true Apostolic Orthodox Church of Christ which made it to guard its ancient Faith for 2000 years, without any change!
3SRBIJACCCC 8 months ago
@3SRBIJACCCC Look i don't know your Academic level on these issues but what you are saying is ridiculous. There is nothing false and heretical in catholics or orthodox they are just different traditions. The orthodox church also has changed a lot since the Apostolic times. You think elders of the first centuries were wearing these Priestly garments, the churches had icons before the altar? the hymns and songs were the same? open a history book!!! Only the Gospel is the same.
Grmario85 8 months ago
@Grmario85 The Orthodox clothes were established in first eccumanical gathering 1700 years ago. Chanting depends on what Orthodox nation is. Russians,Serbs,Greeks,Georgians,every-one has its style.
When i was talking about a changing, i was talking about devine Liturgy and theology. YES THERE IS heresy in R-Catholic "Church".The changing of "Symbol of Faith" or "Filiokve".
Many Psalms in Orthodox chanting are old almoust as time of apostles.
3SRBIJACCCC 8 months ago
@Grmario85 Icon-wall was put in to Churches in very early Christian history, to protect the holy communion from those who were coming to recieve holy communion in their interests not because they love God,but because Roman emperors became Christians. So yes, you should open a history book, but when you open it read few pages about the first fall of Constantinople or inquisitions!
3SRBIJACCCC 8 months ago
@Grmario85 You are wasting your time engaging him on these issues. In every video which talks about relations between Catholic and Orthodox Christians he spews his hate-filled drivel. One who is living in Christ should be filled with Joy and Love. I can discern neither in him. I for one, pray for greater unity between the Orthodox, Catholic, and Anglican rites that is fostered from humility, respect for each other's traditions, love for God and neighbor, and charity of heart.
s216674 8 months ago
I am a westerner. Raised haphazardly in Christianity. What does 'Unity' mean? Sometimes I wonder if all this diplomacy has any value other than exotic travel? That's not meant to be a cheap shot, This Pope has a tough job... standing as a custodian of a tradition and passing it forward to the next generation. Day by day, all things change. Time works like that, and the Future is more than the un-lived Past. If a man wants a better world, he works to make it. Being Pope is history.
granddad2002 8 months ago
as i saw this video, i am sure that anticrist is coming. p.s. orthodoxy church memebrs undarstand why i am saying this
girchostar 9 months ago
My dear brethren in Christ. What a beautiful video indeed. I'm Christian by conviction. By practice I love celebrating my faith as an Orthodox Christian, nevertheless I'm Christian and In Christ first. The Orthodox & Roman Catholic Church are estranged brothers who have much in common. We have much more that unites us. It is sin that caused the rupture of the One church of Christ & only love through God's grace that can restore it. I have only love for my fellow Christians whoever they may be.
Varangius 10 months ago
I'm a Romanian Orthodox Christian. His Beatitude Daniel, Patriarch of the Romanian Orthodox Church is one of the most active Orthodox high-ranking leaders worldwide ecumenically. Remember that it was Romania who was the first Orthodox country to receive the visit of a Latin Pope after centuries of schism. The feeling here, between the Orthodox and the Catholic is of communion and brotherhood. I think this should be the case everywhere and I think our most holy Jesus wants that too. Peace to all!
ro280988 10 months ago
@ro280988 Amen.
gtepp031387 8 months ago
"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me." - John 17:20-21
- Faithful Catholic (Universal) Christian :]
UniQuEclectics 11 months ago
UNITE!!!!!!!!!
neverbeenarab 11 months ago
Orthodox, Are they Christians? they follow Jesus?
If they do so, then they are my brothers, thats all we need to know.
keestijm 11 months ago
Here are the facts of history, for a 1000 years. Rome is center, Fall of Western empire Byzantine emperor wanted church center moved to his city. The 28th canon of Chalcedon says so in so many words. Constantinople has become the New Rome, therefore its bishop is to have like honour to that of the patriarch of Old Rome and to be second after him. It only needed a shade more insolence to claim that the emperor could transfer all papal rights to the bishop of the city where he held his court.
1NYClove 11 months ago
Problem with announcer: they were not "one" from the 1st century - there was NO papacy in that century. Not until Charlemagne founded his "roman" "catholic" secular-religious institution on the papal myth from St. Peter (800 a.d.) was there any western church. From that time, the philosophy of Augustine brought platonic paganism - "evil body" etc - into a Christian milieu. They murdered the Orthodox bishops in place from Apostolic times and put soldiers in bishoprics. One Church was Orthodox!
JudithMatta 11 months ago
I would love to see the day when the Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Churches unite once again!
Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christians have ignored the fact that we are all part of the body of Christ (the Catholic Church; universal Church).
One day soon I hope.
OCPRS 11 months ago
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Oh here we go another one. No I dont Mother superior. History shows that Orthodoxy was the original Catholic and apostolic church! The great schism of that church was soley a political one of supremacy as the Roman empire wanted to rule the world. Politics has and still is today the spoiler of monotheistic religions, no matter where one looks. Papal infallibility is a man made law, designed for purpose of supremacy, . There is but one head of christianity Christ!
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paps9 11 months ago
Piss off tacotony,why dont you go and polish Ratszingers boots...... perhaps it may earn you a papal certificate to automatic entry into heaven. and just to give you the shits mate..."THE POPE SMOKES DOPE"!!!!!
paps9 11 months ago
Many of my Orthodox brothers and sisters dont realize that the Pope was the first among equals (just as Peter was among the other disciples/apostles).
When Roman Empire shifted its Emperor's throne from West to East, this did not change the status of first among equals for the Pope of Rome.
I am glad that the RCC & ORTHODOX are working for unity. I love attending both Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
Sometimes I'm criticized by my peers for having a rosary instead of a prayer rope.
OCPRS 11 months ago
May the Orthodox Church come into full communion with the Holy Catholic Church founded by Jesus upon St. Peter.
Like their brothers in the Byzantine Catholic rite, they are not too far away from us. The Protestants, however, I have less hope for. Not until their hubrus is stripped away will they become close to reuniting into the Church of God.
drdst17 1 year ago
@drdst17 The Orthodox Church has always been "Catholic and Apostolic", founded by Christ. The Church is built on that rock of faith in Christ. May Rome change their added dogmas, and come back to the early Church, the Orthodox Faith.
vasilyjc1955 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 Except when they SPLIT from Rome in the 11th century, and refused to accept the authority of the Pope, which comes directly from Christ himself in Matthew 16:18.
The Roman Catholic church can NEVER be wrong when it comes to matters of scriptural interpretation - Jesus himself said that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. If it did, then Our Lord was wrong.
Sorry, but the Orthodox churches were the first Protestants. They cannot claim to be true Catholics.
drdst17 11 months ago
@drdst17 You are wrong . Rome separated from the East. Why is the authority of the pope important? Christ is the authority. Why is your interpretation of Matthew 16:18 the correct one? It was all twelve who received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. This "rock" which the Church is built was always understood to mean either Christ Himself, or the profession of faith in Christ. Salvation is through Jesus Christ, for He is the cornerstone of the Church.
vasilyjc1955 11 months ago
@drdst17 The Roman Church is wrong by adding the filioque, changes in their "mass', the dogmas of papal infallibility ,immaculate conception and purgatory. The "gates of hell shall not prevail against it", means the faith one has in Him and His teachings.
Explain to me how the Orthodox are the first protestants. You are obviously mislead.
vasilyjc1955 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 :And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "
It's pretty straight forward and literal. Again, like most Protestants, you can choose to make up your own interpretation of that scriptural verse.
Or, you can humbly submit to it. Not much seperates the Orthodox and Catholic faiths anymore, and it is my sincerest hope that the Orthodox see this and return home to where they belong.
drdst17 11 months ago
@drdst17 I am Orthodox. Why is the Latin interpretation the correct one? It makes logical sense that the "rock" is the faith that the church will be built. There is a lot that separates the Latins and the Orthodox. I mentioned a few in my last comment.
You did not answer my question concernIng how the Orthodox are the first Protestants ?
vasilyjc1955 11 months ago
@Neso1991 I spit on the orthodox church and its exclusionary religion "Peter you are the rock I will build my church" that church is in ROME.
1NYClove 1 year ago
@1NYClove How is the Orthodox Church exclusionary/ The Church was built on the faith in Christ, not Peter.
vasilyjc1955 11 months ago
@Neso1991 You are right why should the Catholic Church bother, The orthodox church is the first protestant church, who broke away from the true church because of political desires. The Catholic church is the universal church that has unity the world and defended Christendom. The Greek church, Russian church are only nationalist churchs to give their ignorant followers a greater sense of nationalism that is not true.The Nicean Creed sd in Orthodox churches today states beleive in a catholic ch
1NYClove 1 year ago
@1NYClove It was Rome who separated from the East, for political and religious reasons. The Orthodox have unity in Faith, not some universal authority. To state that the Orthodox are "the first protestants" is quite ignorant.We have been steadfast in keeping the theology and teachings of the Church.
vasilyjc1955 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 No it was the Eastern Church that split! it is also quite ignorant to believe that it wasn't when the Eastern church split because they now wanted to control their own church and convert them into the EXCLUSIONARY churchs they are GREEK/RUSSIAN/ARMENIAN/ALBANIAN all are national churches that indirectly or directly exclude any foreigners and any unity with the first church (ROME). Orthodoxy states in the Nicean creed "We Believe in one Holy CATHOLIC and Apostolic church".
1NYClove 11 months ago
@1NYClove It is an historical fact that Rome separated from the East. The Orthodox are not exclusionary because they are national or ethnic.. We are united under one faith, in Jesus Christ. The word "catholic" in the Creed, means universal and whole, not Roman or Latin. In early Christianity Jerusalem was the first Church. Get your facts straight.
vasilyjc1955 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!! THE EASTERN CHURCH LEFT THE ROME. YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! Catholics are world wide/ Orthodoxy only in a handful of backward eastern european countries The efforts of Orthodox patriarchs towards reconciliation with the Catholic Church has been strongly criticized by some elements of Eastern Orthodoxy, Even in the Orthodox world they recognize the Bishop of Rome as they call him the FIRST among equals. St Paul and St Peter marthyred there
1NYClove 11 months ago
@1NYClove Here are the facts of history. In AD1054, Roman legates travelled to Cerularius to deny him the title of Ecumenical Patriarch and to insist that he recognize the Church of Rome's claim to be the head and mother of the churches. Cerulius refused, and the leader of the Latin contingent,Cardinal Humbert, excommunicated Cerularius,Constantinople, the Eastern Church..
Yes, the Orthodox recognize the Pope as "first amongst equals", but not his infallibility and total authority.
vasilyjc1955 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 Let it be always remembered that the rise of Constantinople, its jealousy of Rome, its unhappy influence over all the East is a pure piece of Erastianism, a shameless surrender of the things of God to Caesar. And nothing can be less stable than to establish ecclesiastical rights on the basis of secular politics
1NYClove 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 Here are the facts of history, for a 1000 years. Rome is center, Fall of Western empire Byzantine emperor wanted church center moved to his city. The 28th canon of Chalcedon says so in so many words. Constantinople has become the New Rome, therefore its bishop is to have like honour to that of the patriarch of Old Rome and to be second after him. It is insolence to claim that the emperor could transfer all papal rights to the bishop of the city where he held his court.
1NYClove 11 months ago
@1NYClove There are two sides to every coin. Do you really think Rome never exerted political power. One example is Pope Damasus, who strengthened the power of his office and tried to make his seat of Rome the primacy seat of power in the whole church. Even at he Council of Florence, the Latins were demanding of the Orthodox to submit to Rome's claims. Rome was also jealous of Constantinople's emergence as a great power and city. Rome was center of what? All Ecumenical Councils were in the East.
vasilyjc1955 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 There had been schisms between Constantinople and Rome, all of them healed up in time, but naturally all tending to weaken the sense of essential unity. From the beginning of the See of Constantinople to the great schism in 867 the list of these temporary breaches of communion is a formidable one. There were fifty-five years of schism (343-98) during the Arian troubles, 11 because of St. John Chrysostom's deposition (404-15), thirty-five years of the Acacian schism (484-519).
1NYClove 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 forty-one years of Monothelite schism (640-81), sixty-one years because of Iconoclasm. So of these 544 years (323-867) no less than 203 were spent by Constantinople in a state of schism. We notice too that in every one of these quarrels Constantinople was on the wrong side; by the consent of the Orthodox, too,
1NYClove 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 Rome in all stood out for right. And already we see that the influence of the emperor (who naturally always supported his court patriarch) in most cases dragged a great number of other Eastern bishops into the same schism. Photius had formed an anti-Roman party the party that still hated the West, was ready to revive this charge of heresy against Latins. Photius hatred and scorn of Latins was an inheritance of the mass of the Byzantine clergy.
1NYClove 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 How deeply rooted and far-spread it was, is shown by the absolutely gratuitous outburst 150 years later under Michael Caerularius (1043-58). For this time there was not even the shadow of a pretext. No one had disputed Caerularius's right as patriarch; the pope had not interfered with him in any way at all. And suddenly in 1053 he sends off a declaration of war, then shuts up the Latin churches at Constantinople,
1NYClove 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 hurls a string of wild accusations, and shows in every possible way that he wants a schism, apparently for the mere pleasure of not being in communion with the West. He got his wish. After a series of wanton aggressions, unparalleled in church history, after he had begun by striking the pope's name from his diptychs, the Roman legates excommunicated him (16 July, 1054). ROME was always the center 1st Bishop of ROME ST. PETER. The east always looked West for guidance in disputes.
1NYClove 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 In 2010, Patriarch Bartholomew I issued an encyclical lauding the ongoing dialogue between the Orthodox Church and and criticizing those who are “unacceptably fanatical” in challenging such dialogue. ". The encyclical stated that the dialogues between the two churches were being criticized in “an unacceptably fanatical way” by some who claim to be defenders of Orthodoxy-
1NYClove 11 months ago
@vasilyjc1955 despite the fact that these dialogues are being conducted “with the mutual agreement and participation of all local Orthodox Churches”. The Patriarch warned that "such opponents raise themselves above episcopal synods and risk creating schisms. Hopefully so called Orthodoxy can unite itself can return to the Church. Catholics were pray for unity with the Eastern church as they are our lost brothers . And we as Christians have greater threats than each other.
1NYClove 11 months ago
Aahh, your ridiculous religious institutions issues. Ignorant people
prozrachno 1 year ago
NO to Ecumenism! Preserve the Orthodox faith!
mihankhah 1 year ago
This is a very interesting video; it is unfortunate, however, that the comments posted hereunder - like most comments on videos at youtube - are so hateful, hysterical and irrational (and often incomprehensible...) :(
robertbardin 1 year ago
Why Is the Orthodox Church even bothering? They split from the Original Church and the original teachings of Christ, in which we to this day have not changed. Why should we bow before the Pope, who is nothing more than a Pagan and values Pagan Roman and Babylonian traditions more than Christian? Why would Orthodox unit with false believers, plain and simple. We are true believers, we don't pray to the Pope or build statues of our Popes, that is disgusting the Pope thinks he's God. I spit on him.
Neso1991 1 year ago
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well said. i agree
TheAnGerman 1 year ago
The WCC is calling that : Practicing their catholicity
marialeroux 1 year ago
So the catholic idea of christian unity here, is unity under the pope. The "substitute" for Christ while he´s away (though he isn´t because we´re supposed to have the holy spirit). I´m a little shocked that the churches are actually heading towards this. Especially since the pope also has dialogue with other religions. What an opportunity for someone else to take over, to unite all religions, to bring "world order" and "peace"...
Livanje 1 year ago
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@Livanje woe to u so called christians! woe to u, u do not believe in God for if u did u would believe in the one he sent! woe to u who do not not acknowledge the authority of God given to peter and his sucssesores! woe to u who do not understand u can not enter throught the gate of heaven, for it is locked, without the keys iv placed on the seat of peter! woe to u if u believed in God u would trust his judgment and listen to the one he gave authority to teach!
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 oh, you mean when Peter was at Antioch?....that means that the Patriarch of Antioch has the keys....oh okay it is all straightened out then.....
XDragasesX 1 year ago
@XDragasesX well it is actually u see the 1st ecumentical council straightened it out. Rome was given papel primacy this is were Peter was last and left his successore!!!! "Rome has spoken the matter is concluded"- st Augustine
gtepp031387 1 year ago
All I hope is that all Christians will be somewhat united. Take out the false teachings in the Catholic Church, and it would be basically perfect. Combine the teachings of Martin Luther, and you have some unity. I don't like what my church is teaching, and I hope it can be fixed soon.
bloomilkc 1 year ago
Papacy is nothing more than the political puppet of politics. The pope is NOT INFALLIABLE, he is human, save and except for politics they want him to be so. Ratsinger is a German Natzi that served under the Hitler youth. His predecessor was at least genuine as a neutral. the best ive seen till now is Patriarch Bartholomew.
paps9 1 year ago
@paps9 You have no idea what you are talking about. Pure and simple, you speak in total ignorance.
katherinebernadette 1 year ago
@katherinebernadette Oh here we go another one. No I dont Mother superior. History shows that Orthodoxy was the original Catholic and apostolic church! The great schism of that church was soley a political one of supremacy as the Roman empire wanted to rule the world. Politics has and still is today the spoiler of monotheistic religions, no matter where one looks. Papal infallibility is a man made law, designed for purpose of supremacy, . There is but one head of christianity Christ!
paps9 11 months ago
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since you're too stupid to figure out the doctrine of infallibility, it talks about "excathedra" on matters of faith, not the person of the pope
tacotony24 11 months ago
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@tacotony24 Piss off tacotony,why dont you go and polish Ratszingers boots...... perhaps it may earn you a papal certificate to automatic entry into heaven. and just to give you the shits mate..."THE POPE SMOKES DOPE"!!!!!
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paps9 11 months ago
OMG you two-faced hypocrites! Here you are both Catholic and Orthodox screaming despicable things at each other, and you call yourself Christians of a Loving Jesus? HE FORGAVE HIS KILLERS! WHO ARE YOU TO NOT ACCEPT UNITY? My Orthodox friend and I have achieved COMPLETE SPIRITUAL UNITY LIKE NONE HAS EVER SEEN, in Mass, Prayers, and Jesus Christ...... If you proud fake christians looked away from your Pride, you would achieve perfect unity IN LOVE... but nooooo, let us prove who is better? SHAME!
6MemoryOfForever9 1 year ago 2
@6MemoryOfForever9 What? have you read St. Paul saying "there will be schisms among you so that those who are of the Truth will be revealed" (I Cor 11:19)? Unity at all costs is the devil's idea of "utopia" on earth. NOT. "The Spirit of Truth will come and convict the world of sin, righteousness, and of judgment " Jn 16:8 What you're wanting is any "god" not THE God revealed to us in the Person of Jesus Christ - Who IS the way the Truth and the Life!
JudithMatta 11 months ago
@JudithMatta yes, because I supposedly believe in the tooth fairy right? and how is it that you know which God I want? how about maybe I want Jesus Christ the Way the Truth and the Life? eh? again, it is not me asking for this, it is the Blessed Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ! the vision is supposedly adopted by the orthodox church, The Visions of Soufanieh... if you have a problem with it, please take it up with Jesus, not me!
6MemoryOfForever9 11 months ago
If I remember correctly, the unity "achieved" was contrary to the Church's teachings. St. Mark of Ephesis preached that the bishops who ratified this would be going againts the faith. These bishops were quickly deposed, and the agreement came to nought.
As it is, the Patriarch of Rome overstepped his bounds by proclaiming himself the Vicar of Christ and the sole interpreter of the scriptures. As long as the prolioferation of Papal Supremecy exhists, there will be no unity with the Orthodox.
Xeres123 1 year ago
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6MemoryOfForever9 1 year ago
@6MemoryOfForever9 No the catholic were to busy molesting young boys. Sorry Catholic will never be christian.
cortezawwris 1 year ago
@cortezawwris wait is it the same Catholics that ORTHODOX PRIESTS say we can pray to their saints? or are they the Catholics that THE ORTHODOX SOUFANIEH'S VISIONS asked for the unity of both Orthodox and Catholics together?
6MemoryOfForever9 1 year ago
I think it would be great to have priest who are able to marry ! Peter , The catholics pope was, so why can the priests? =D
megatron6644 1 year ago
" who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. " - 1 Timothy 4:3
I think ther'd be less a problem with molestation, NOT that it would wipe it out since we are sinners, but I believe men would be less tempted if they had thier own wives.
megatron6644 1 year ago
Don't add to the law like the jews did. Look at all the laws that were from Malachi's time to Jesus' ! Couldn't even walk on grass because to bend it was considered work !!!
megatron6644 1 year ago
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megatron6644 1 year ago
@megatron6644 psychological research shows pedophilia has nothing to do with marriage.....MOST pedophiles are MARRIED WHITE MEN WITH KIDS from the age of 20 smthg and up! and anyway, pedophiles tend to seek positions that allow them to get to kids, and there is no way on Earth anyone could know they are pedophiles unless they do the act!
6MemoryOfForever9 1 year ago
@6MemoryOfForever9 : I agree with you. I just think that "maybe" if it was more common to have a bunch of married priest , not that all have to, it would be a detterent . I know I have seen " To catch a predetor" Very sad. But I def. do not like the sweeping the problem under the rug. Just as cops and teachers have a position of respect and authoruty , their fall is harder and I think clergy should be prosecuted as well not hidden.
megatron6644 1 year ago
@megatron6644 oh yes I agree they should be prosecuted, by I meant they are not pedophiles because they are Catholics, Christians, or Priests! But do you really think it is good to solve it by letting them get married? it's like, hey, you can't live with abstinence, here is a woman to sleep with, so you don't sleep with kids....it's like solving slavery by killing all black people, or solving adultery by removing all women, instead of teaching humans how to control temptation!
6MemoryOfForever9 1 year ago
@6MemoryOfForever9 I get you r point and agree, but I have a friend who went to seminary and told me stuff that he saw. He said there were people who struggled with homosexuality and went as an escape from shame and other reasons. But if a number of people do the same thing you're gonna have problems.
megatron6644 1 year ago
Even Hitler Youth had evidence of such problems here and there. There leader, according to witnesses/ex german military, noticed him mannerisms and comments he made. Perfect oppto satisfy desires or the heart. I agree 100% its all heart issues !
megatron6644 1 year ago
@megatron6644 well how can the Church know who is gay and who isn't? I don't know, I just hope there is more transparency in the Church hierarchy! and I don't know about gays! I mean I know Jesus said it is wrong for man to lay with man, but they seem "purer" than most heterosexual couples I know! Anybody has a reply to that? I would love your point of view, especially you megatron!
6MemoryOfForever9 1 year ago
@6MemoryOfForever9 : What do you mean by purer? Like loyal? ". If that is what you mean, sorry I can't agree to that. I'm sure Straight and gay alike cheat.
megatron6644 1 year ago
@megatron6644 I don't know, just like more respectable? yeah but the only bad thing in them is that they are same sex couples!
6MemoryOfForever9 1 year ago
@dacorom : I don't think it's fair to group gay people together with pedophiles. That's very homophobic. And I bet you know ALOT more gay people than you realize.
isabellibrizzi 1 year ago
all of these diffrent faiths are all from the roman church if they had a sound doctrin it would have stayed one church like the orthodox church and we have plenty of saints the roman church has given all christians a bad name by their actions in the past and present a christian are not supose to hurt people, kids i belive roman church did more harm for christians every body that says anything bad about christians they are most likely speaking about roman chuch did but we are all christians
laichic 1 year ago
the orthodox will never recognize the pope as the head of the church the head of our church is jesus and we do not have to much in commen with the roman church we do not have child molesters how could they cover up in the orthodox they would have kicked them out we have also been atacked by them in constantinople the only way we would ever unit is if the pope gives up his claim to be GOD on earth and becomes an equal among many the orthodox will never change
laichic 1 year ago
Orthodox dont PRIDE themselves of Christ. Never. Orthodox are humble and suffer a lot doing the buffering for Rome so you can sleep nicely. We are not muslims to kill each other, we are Christians. /watch?v=PEHJY0T9RsQ&feature=related
UBTUNE 1 year ago
@UBTUNE I'm sorry, but I can't comprehend, head or tail, of what you're trying to say. I can't help but feel that maybe I'm not coming across clearly, either. Are you fluent in English? I regret to inform you, as an arrogant American, that English is the only language I speak or understand. PS This is an interesting development, because, I believe, some of the hostility between Catholic and Orthodox is because of the discrepancies with Latin and Greek and nothing more.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Dear friend Jesus prophecy is plain simple. 3 no from St. Peter 3 no from St. Peter in Rome. Then Peter repended. It is an astounding prophecy, love never falls wrong, and the joining of the two churches is an act of love. I repeat, we are no muslims to kill each other out.
UBTUNE 1 year ago
@UBTUNE Peter's denial and repentance isn't a prophetic of a future event. Not to mention the fact that Peter denied Christ so he repented to Christ. Peter's sin wasn't against the other bishops. That "evidence" is purely subjective, as well. Many Catholic theologians can come up scripture veses that reflect Catholic "innovation", as it's been called (examples: papal supremacy, the Immaculate Conception).
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Dear friend difficult for me to judge Jesus. Talks are under way for reunification. We orthodox at every sunday mass we pray for reunification of all christians. This is a message of love.
UBTUNE 1 year ago
@UBTUNE good, that is ONE Orthodox who is praying for unity.....because screaming "CHILD MOLESTERS, PEDOPHILES, ANIMALS" at catholics won't help anybody!
6MemoryOfForever9 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Many non=christians can come up with scripture that allows them freedom for their way of life... that doesn't make it correct belief! Rome aposatsized during the reign of the frankish popes, and when challeged by their Eastern Brethren were pushed into a corner for submission. Jesus never did anything like that... so following The Way of The True Faith they excomunicated and anathemised the innovative believers until they should return to the True Faith. Yours in Christ. X
katherine3486 1 year ago
CATHOLICS, JESUS prophesised about YOUR SPLIT from orthodoxy and your rependance to orthodoxy. Vatican, Pope and St.Peter are one and the same. When Jesus was taken to Pontius Pilatus for trial St.Peter said to Christ " Chist i love u a lot and i will never BETRAY you..". Christ replied " Peter by morning 3 times you will betary me..", Peter said "...me ..no never". Peter betrayed Christ by morning 3 times. Then he remembered Christs words and cried and repended bitterly. Schismata are 3....
UBTUNE 1 year ago
@UBTUNE I doubt that St Peter has anything to do with Vatican.
nomust 1 year ago
Here is an issue I'd to like to hear a Vatican pronouncement on. What about the Messianic Jewish movement? In a certain sense, the Messianics are a manifestation of the Evangelical/Fundamentalist branch of Christianity. They are the ones who created this movement. Still, the relationship of the Church & the Jewish world is a critical matter. What would be a Catholic view on the adaptability of Jewish liturgical norms to Christian worship?
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
The Orthodox and Catholic churches are very close to each other, doctrinally. We should look to bringing the Orthodox back into fullness of Communion with Rome, like they were in the first Millenium. The Protestants are so divided now that they may never be able to return home.
drdst17 1 year ago 2
@drdst17 more than 23 million russians fo the rortodox church assassinated by the nazi catolic inquistion , and more than 350.000 serbs of the ortodox church assassinated by the evil franciscans , (ustashas) and in the crusades , the satanic roman catolic sect looted the ortodox church, i think is too late for the evil roman catolic assassins to come back to christianity , they been trying to destroy christianity for many centuries,
hamlets7 1 year ago
nononono stay ortodox hell with the catholic church and the pope we are the true church im orthodox and that it!
NJSERB 1 year ago
Past is passed. May the Holy Spirit enlighten the hearts and minds of all Orthodox faithful, to restore unity to the separated traditions by bringing them within the unity of the Catholic Church. St. Paul, too, rejected division and exhorted Catholic unity: "I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment" (1 Cor 1:10).
12buhbauy0987 1 year ago 2
@12buhbauy0987 why should we come to the catholic church let them come under us
NJSERB 1 year ago
If the Catholics are serious, when they finally realize all the errors and abuse that took place in the medieval period that manipulated their doctrines, its going to cost a lot of money to re educate the priests and re introduce more traditionally liturgical worship. This would be the biggest the concern, reorganizing. Plus setting patriarchs in Spain, France, Germany and South American countries. There lots of work to do if Orthodoxy is successful with the talks.
orthodox4eva 1 year ago
Apostolic Canons 10, 11, and 45 (forbid common worship with the non-Orthodox) and Apostolic Canons 46, 47, and Canon 1 of the Local Council of Carthage (forbid imparting the Sacred Mysteries (sacraments) to the non-Orthodox).
Massagiano 1 year ago
orthodox and catholics never brothers!! dont forget that! If you catholics want to know something, you killed and destroyed more orthodox romanians and churches than the muslim (turks) did!!
Iloveromania4ever 1 year ago
@Iloveromania4ever Where is your Christian forgiveness??
AegeanKing 1 year ago
@Iloveromania4ever im with you my orthodox borther we dont need the catholics they like to kill us orthodox look what they did in ww2
NJSERB 1 year ago
Religion is stupid.
RepublicanDumbAss 1 year ago
the pope molested me when i was 7 years old
insultcomic 1 year ago
@insultcomic you're confusing the pope with your grandpa.
doctikboy 1 year ago
@doctikboy hahahaha hehe good one, or confusing the pope with any possible teacher, coach, FATHER, brother, uncle, OMG EVEN FAMILY MEMBERS DO IT! WE SHOULDN'T HAVE FAMILIES THEN! BURN VATICAN AND FAMILIES AS WELL......OH AND TEACHERS!
6MemoryOfForever9 1 year ago
They already had a council on how the curch should run. THEY HAD 7! Rome broke away and changed what was already in place.
Please rome....loose the new mass, come back to orthodoxy, Come back to what God almighty set up 1 sec ago
mumswording 1 year ago
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mumswording 1 year ago
End the catholic mafia.
KevZen2000 1 year ago
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the pope molested me and others he killed most of them but will never get me
insultcomic 1 year ago
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the pope molested me and others he killed most of them but will never get me
insultcomic 1 year ago
@insultcomic - that's not even funny. molestation isn't a joke, so why are you making it in to one?
RedBloodedShqiponja 1 year ago
@chaunceybill - What Pope has said claimed to be equal to God?
RedBloodedShqiponja 1 year ago
St. Mark of Ephesus about Roman Catholics -15th century:
- "It is impossible to recall peace without dissolving the cause of the schism—the primacy of the Pope exalting himself equal to God."
- "The Latins are not only schismatics but heretics... we did not separate from them for any other reason other than the fact that they are heretics. This is precisely why we must not unite with them unless they dismiss the addition from the Creed filioque and confess the Creed as we do."
chaunceybill 1 year ago 2
Amen.
TimothyStinson 1 year ago
@chaunceybill Amen!
OrthodoxWay1 1 year ago
@chaunceybill St. Mark of Ephesus is not God. Do not quote him as such. If St. Mark said the moon was made out of Cheese would you believe him?? St. Mark is a saint but he is not infallible.
AegeanKing 1 year ago
@rock9711 - I know, it's sad to see this happening; the religion doesn't encourage pedophilia, it discourages it. But it's not just Church members committing this, it's a lot of people from different places/backgrounds. Hopefully, there will be a stop to this.
RedBloodedShqiponja 1 year ago
why are there so many pedophiles in these churches.... why do they allow pedophiles in this catholic church??
rock9711 1 year ago
They knowingly do not. The pedo's have used the priesthood of the Catholic Church to get access to the children. The Church has never supported this vile crap. No catholic has ever supported or defended the reasoning for pedophiles. Its disgusting.
fujiknox 1 year ago
All of this was way before the Council of Nicea & the Nicene Creed from 325 C.E. which states, "We believe in one Holy, Catholic & Apostolic Church."
Irenaeus - "The blessed Apostles (Peter & Paul), having founded & built up the Church (of Rome) . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]).
RedBloodedShqiponja 1 year ago
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The Church was born on Pentecost about 33 C.E. when the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles & disciples. This same Church has referred to as the Catholic Church.
The Greek term "Katholikos" (meaning universal) appears in the Letter of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans: "Wherever the Bishop appears, there let the multitude be; even as wherever Christ Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church."
RedBloodedShqiponja 1 year ago 2
God Help us!
Slav; We have gone round in circles on our own, so now may we speak openly?
Clement and Methodius were writing in their own time and the quotes given were written at a time when Rome WAS orthodox catholic, but, when it broke away it became ROMAN Catholic, because the faith then could be adjusted to support this tyrannical power, gone were humility and service usurping those traits with POWER AND AUTHORITY. Jesus did not mean Peter to cut off the other 11!
katherine3486 1 year ago
The Orthodox and Catholics came to unity at the Second Council Of Lyon and the Council of Ferrara-Florence over 500 years ago. What happened?
Agnosticism and athiesm have created a void in the West. Islam is now filling this void. Europe is turning into Europastan. Orthodoxy and Catholicism must find the common ground and unite. They did it before.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago 12
@TenderTrap86 but the orthodox church separated again from the catholic after the turks left europe....it means they only unit with us when they need us...its pretty not good
vogueconfessions 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 the common ground is that the catholics repent everything they stand for and accept the true orthodox way which has been unchanged since our Lord walked among us.
Draza145 1 year ago
@Draza145 No. The fact remains that the Orthodox make mountains out of mole hills. The filioque and papal primacy of honor and juristiction were accepted by Orthodox prelates at Ferrara-Florence and the 2nd Council of Lyons. The Catholics only hold the Orthodox schismatic, while the Orthodox hold the Catholics as heretical, and, at the same time, their theologians declare that Roman Catholicism is too dogmatic. That's a paradox if I've ever heard one. Rome waits for the Orthodox with open arms.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Brother, from five great patriarchic cities, Rome was the one claiming authority to change what had been unchanged for a thousand years. After that, the catholic church has changed many things in their churches, while we still today have liturgies like they always were. Don't come with your lies. We have the traditions from the apostoles while you have changed them to fit your agenda, which is only to get power and wanting money like Judas.
Draza145 1 year ago
@Draza145 The only reason the Orthodox Church hasn't "changed" is because Orthodox prelates haven't been able to organize themselves to do so. Ther's no coherance. There hasn't been an ecumenical council recognized by the Orthodox in well over 1,000 years. Every "change" in the Catholic Church has been through an ecumenical council. The Church is a tree that continues to grow, with new branches sprouting and old ones falling off. The Orthodox tree has seen no growth since the schism with Peter.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Brother, whether we grow or not in the fashion that you think is good is not any problem. But what do you expect brother? Our Lord himself said that we would be persecuted as He would be. Our churches have though been as best organized as they could have been during all these difficult times we have been through. Changes haven't been done because of the lack of organizing but because of this:
en(DOT)allexperts(DOT)com/q/Eastern-Orthodox-1456/2010/6/miracles-true-religion(DOT)htm
Draza145 1 year ago
@Draza145 But the Orthodox Church is not One, for there are many, many juristictional problems within. This is undeniable. The Orthodox aren't organized.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Again brother, orthodox church doesn't change itself because that would be as changing Christ. Catholics however have changed a lot of things, the word of God which he gave through his disciples. We are organized and we are getting back. You just don't seem to consider history brother. We have been under many who tried to extinguish the orthodox faith and not succeeded through our Lords help.
Draza145 1 year ago
@Draza145 - "You just don't seem to consider history brother. We have been under many who tried to extinguish the orthodox faith and not succeeded" - Is this in reference to the Orthodox persecution in the USSR? If so, it should be duly noted that the Orthodox Church was tolerated, while the Catholic Church was completely outlawed, all together. Or, if it's in reference to the Sack of Constantinople in 1204, remember the Massacre of Latins that took place in Constantinople, only 22 years before.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Brother, either you don't know history or you just don't want to see everything as it is. Soviet allied with the Church so it could raise patriotism for the big war. Later Khrushchev launched anti-religious movement to reduce even the Orthodox Church. They went completly by the book of Marx. No religion was left spared except the religion of Marx. The reason catholics always were suppressed, was because they were of no use in Soviet because Orthodoxy was the ruling religion there.
Draza145 1 year ago
@Draza145 Marxism isnt a religion. It's a philosophy. / So, the fact that Catholicism was surpressed was quite alright because it wasn't the dominant religion in the USSR? Is that Christianity? /// Its well documented that Orthodox prelates collaborated with the Soviets and the communist government prodded Orthodox bishops to dangle high positions in front of Catholic bishops faces to led them astray; away from Rome. Catholic property that was confiscated by Orthodox still hasn't been returned.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 For ME Marxism, as I see it Marxism is a religion which you believe in. And yes, it is a philosophy, but so is Christianity and all other religions. You still don't understand me about Soviet. Catholics have never been dominant in Soviet countries. Orthodox Church was though. The main goal of the marxists was to eliminate every religion, but because the Orthodox Church was so deeply rooted in the people. They had to ally with the church so that patriotism would rise during WWII.
Draza145 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 The communists had even spies in the church, making it a valuable tool for the government. But as said, they wanted to eliminate it. Which they also tried to do after the war. The rest what you say is just what I have said but in such a fashion to make the Orthodox Church look bad. The Catholics however led a war with the nazis. That is something no one can deny.
Draza145 1 year ago
@Draza145 The Catholics led war with the Nazis? Is there any arguement further along in your response. that I should take seriously, after that? Honestly... //// And I know of many second hand sources that say much, much worse things about the Roman Catholic Church. Is that the best you can come up with? - " That is something no one can deny."? - This statement is paramount to an individual agruing of something they know very little about.
TenderTrap86 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86
"You Serbs are condemned to death you can only escape sentence by accepting Catholicism."
/(Baron) Avro Manhattan: "The Vatican's Holocaust"
No Serb could expect to be murdered by Catholic priests themselves.
"Kill all Serbs. And when you finish come here, to Church, and I will confess you and free you from sin."
/Father Srecko Peric, of the Gorica Monastery, near Livno [Herzegovina]
"Convert or die", was the motto.
Draza145 1 year ago
@Draza145 Once again the old argument about a couple of bad crazy priests in order to difame the whole catholic faith!! I'm tired about you! That's so ilogic! I prefer to make, what Jesus said in MatheusGospel "make what the priests say, but do not make what the priests do" I follow the moral and the doctrine of the catholic church, I dont follow the persons.
YHWHICHTHYS 1 year ago
@TenderTrap86 Brother what are you talking about? Sack of Constantinople in 1204 and massacres? The work of western Catholic crusaders. Why are you talking against y