@thuggie1 Hahaha, I see you are frustrated and cannot discuss politely with the more intelligent Jack44M. So you debase yourself and start calling him names. "DICK", really, is that all you got? Looks like he owned you easily! Look at your post, you drone on about being polite then you attack christians comparing them to the despicable muslims, and calling them crap! Then you call the person you are posting to a "Dick". It seems you hindus are Shit for brains! Hence the diaper on head.
@eag11e you are the same as Muslims you have the same doctrine hate others while professing love and you shell fade away in history. and i don't know why you a profane Sikhs with that last comments, Hindus don't where turbans. Judaism, Christianity and Islam. they are al classed under the banner of Abrahmic belief structures there for they are the same in origin. the only one that differs slightly is Christianity as it allowed a lot of Roman and Greek pagan belief into it.
@eag11e you think that you are intelligent, well you are not you just wont to cores conflict. i know this as you started it with these others. you attack others behind behind a computer screen. you even hide your youtube page, you are a cowered. you are trying to get a response that is all. you are nothing but a small minded person with a small town mentality. you are drunk with a daemonic delusions of what is right and what is wrong, and you have lost your humanity in the process.
@thuggie1 Since these marriages are recorded in your cults records I suppose they were practicing polygamy. BTW, brigham never denied practicing polygamy or polyandry, he bragged about it. He granted at least one of his polygamist wives a divorce. If they were not married why would he have had to divorce her?
@eag11e what do you mean my cult, i am a follower of Kali ma, mother of creation and destroyer daemons. i follow the father of creation shiva he who spun the starts and the universe into bean at the creation of time in the great fire of creation. they who stet in motion life throughout the whole of creation. in the beginning when the golden embryo divided creating the first. i am Hindu
@thuggie1 Oh, I'm sorry to hear that you belong to the hindu cult. Why are you trolling on christian web sites? BTW, there is a feature on your windows called spell checker. you really need to use it. IE, "daemons, starts,bean, stet,. Why do you aspire to become a cow? Just curious.
I see you do not answer any of my questions. Why? brigham bragged about practicing polygamy! It was his choice. Why do you claim he did not? Divorce is a legal proceeding! (cont)
@thuggie1 Why did brigham divorce one of his wives if he was, as you claim, not married to her? These are simple questions for a simple mind like yours. If you cannot answer them then go and educate yourself. you cults are all the same. mormons wear magic underwear, and you wear a diaper wrapped around your head. you want to say something here, but frankly have nothing to say. Be Gone!
There were more than one clergy or man technically in authority, right inside the church that performed marraige ceremonies. they were able to do it without public knowledge.
"If he was on God's right hand that had to hurt....especially since your cult claims God has a body of flesh and bone. rofl"-That was an extremely pathetic joke attempt. Stick to your usual "shoe size iq" insult.
Read Exodus 24:9-16. This is clearly describing God and His Glory.Also read Exodus 33:11,18-23-Moses see's his body but NOT his face.
BTW-I don't care what the Greek version is of Kabod,Moses was hebrew, therefore he wrote in Hebrew. Kobad is Glory. Kobad appears when God is present.
Since you choose Kabod and since the meaning of the word denotes weight or heaviness; do tell us how that denotes physicality.
Also, you choose to ignore the obvious references to God having physical attributes as a literary device (anthropomorphic) , then your Mormon God has to be a bird w/feathers (Psalm 91:4). The Bird God of Mormonism....lol
Lastly, the BofM and the LonF both state God is a spirit; are both wrong?
@thuggie1 Rally? MORmON Joseph Smith Drank Wine and smocked tobacco! JOSEPH gave Dr.Richards 2 dollars to give the guard;but the guard said one was enough,and would take no more.The guard immediately sent FOR A BOTTLE OF WINE, pipes,and two small papers of tobacco;and one of the guards brought them into the jail soon after the jailor went out. Dr. Richards uncorked the bottle,AND PRESENTED A GLASS TO JOSEPH,WHO TASTED,AS BROTHER TAYLOR AND THE DOCTOR. (History of the Church,Vol. 6, page 616)
@thuggie1 Polygamy was ALWAYS illegal in the usa. It just didnt get inforced until 1950 because no one did it until you morons came along and were obsessed with fucking everyone lol
@BeInnocuous First of all, how was what I said "ignorant"? Did the mormons back then not practice polygamy openly and the usa government enoforced it after what they ofund out Joey was up to?
Second, I don't know what you are talking about gay marriage? Please explain
@BeInnocuous Its disgusting because you should leave people the fuck alone to do what they wanna do. If those gays wanna get married then who the fuck are you to tell them they cant? The only ignorance fuck around here is you
So you can mock the LDS for their practice of polygamy but it is wrong for them to promote traditional marriage morals? Take your own vulgar language to heart... and leave them alone.
Besides. Gays have the right to marry just like everyone else.
Your speech proves your ignorance. Too bad you mom did not teach you any better.
@Jack44M Yes Jack,please,learn to read."Glory of God"Now lets see..."Jesus standing at the right hand of God"Oh! Whats that?! "...the right hand of God"? Hmm..Now it seems to me that Stephen saw not only the Glory of God (Glory is describing God,learn what an adjective is)but that He was on His RIGHT hand.So what you are telling me here,is that he literally saw the Glory, but not God (?), and saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God.How can he describe where Jesus is unless he can see God?
If he was on God's right hand that had to hurt....especially since your cult claims God has a body of flesh and bone. rofl
The Greek word for "glory" is the same as was used in the Septuagint in the Holy of Holies and had nothing to do with physicality. Again; learn to read.
"Right hand" is a position and a descriptor of authority...ie Right Hand Man; it's not meant literally, otherwise a left handed person could never be someone's right hand man.
This is not establishing the BoM as far superior to the Bible."The testimony establishing the truth of the Book of Mormon is far superior to that establishing the Bible in its present form" This talks about the testimony of it that is why i ask u what testimony establishes the truth of the Bible? So u understand that this is an irreverent quote for what u r trying to prove&fully understand that this quote is accurate as u have no testimony to the truth of the Bible
"The testimony establishing the truth of the Book of Mormon is far superior to that establishing the Bible in its present form..." Orson pratt JoD v.7 pp. 22, 36, 37
Jack.... does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy to try to provoke me? I would caution you in your personal attacks... It might give you your personal satisfaction you are looking for... but from personal experience... Contention is a black pit that will suck you in if you indulge in it. I hope you come into the light and leave this chillness behind you. It helps nothing and no one but harms your character.
Contention?? Not at all...I just enjoy a good laugh. You, and your posts, are a joke and show everyone how Mormons run and hide when challenged to substantiate their claims.
You challenged my claim and I gave you what you asked... So are you going to accept that I know more then you when it comes to the topic of Adoption and what the root words are and what they mean? Or are you going to continue your facade of the joker?
Now, you are flat out lying....typical Mormon. I asked for the basis of your interpretation of adoption....you've given nothing other than those are the English words. rofl
Again and again I challenged you to provide the Greek from which the English was derived and you've run away. I'm bettin' you'll will continue to dodge and weave and lie. Let's watch and see......
@Jack44 Ezequiel 37:15The vision ends and Ezekiel received a graphic lesson that the people observed (verses 18, 20) This act of joining two clubs offered a second illustration of God not only collect the Israelites in their land. But for the first time since 931 a. C. (The end of the reign of Solomon 1 Kings 11:26-40), restore the unity of Israel and Judah (verses 19, 21, 22) in the messianic kingdom (Isaiah 11:12, 13; Jeremiah 3:18, Hosea 1: 1) (No, I don't see anything about 2 books) :)
@Jack44M37:22 A king, this leader (cf. verses 24, 25) is the King, Pastor promised Messiah and forcefully to the dynasty of David (34:23, 24; Jeremiah 23:5-8, 30:9, Deuteronomy 2:35, 45; 7:13, 14, 27) who is the only king of Zechariah. 14:9 (Matthew 25:31, 34, 40).
@Jack44M37:22 A king, this leader (cf. verses 24, 25) is the King, Pastor promised Messiah and forcefully to the dynasty of David (34:23, 24; Jeremiah 23:5-8, 30:9, Deuteronomy 2:35, 45; 7:13, 14, 27) who is the only king of Zechariah. 14:9 (Matthew 25:31, 34, 40).
BeInnocuous, Why do you guess that i would believe in predestination. It must be religious teaching because God has never shown me that it matters whatsoever. Do you spend time with Jesus intimately and communicate with God daily?
Galatians 3:26 Ye are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. *Not all,are children of God (or spirit children) and why would the one true God have to make any sacrifice at all for us if we could all just progress by our works? doesnt make sense.
Ones words held accountability! Who’s judging who? Me by stating facts? Or you telling me I’m judging? This man said this! If he only knew what he was saying, he wouldn’t have said it. But their arrogant beliefs were beyond stupidity, I can only imagine, I can’t go where God is because I have to have his consent! OMG. And so LOL
(Brigham Young) From the day that the priesthood was take from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith Junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are, I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. Journal of Discourses 7:289 also cited in ensign, June 1994. Well here Young forgot God was not a student, and so he put God in a place where he needs to learn.
I would like to know what you believe I have to do to be saved. Obviously you have issues with the Saints in general. Enlighten me. What church is the truth found in? Where do I have to go and attend to hear Gods word preached?
@BeInnocuous Jesus Christ is the truth! Jesus can't be hold into an organization, and their leaders saying this is the only true church in the face of the earth. Membership in the church of Christ are not determent by man but by God, Only the Mormon Church. The true church was taken from the earth until Joseph Smith restored it. Doctrine & Covenants 1:30. (D. & C. 10:67-69; 18:20-25.) It is literally the kingdom of God on earth (D. & C. 65; 84:34; 136:41) (continue)
@BeInnocuous Christ did not come to establish a church, He came to establish a kingdom! John 18:35-37, Yeshua declared he is a king and his kingdom is not of this world. Revelation 11:15. I don't have issues with saints in general! You find where truth and solid doctrine of savior is preached! But the tentacles’ of Mormonism are in you, so it will be hard for you to try to find one.
Your John reference has nothing to do about a "church"
Yes, Yeshua's Kingdom is in heaven.
Please point out these "tentacles' of Mormonsim" that are in me?
I think it is hard for someone that can say something like this to find any truth as they are given to their own beliefs, prejudices and judgments regardless of what God shows them.
So instead of another personal attack based solely on my religion and utterly empty, why don't you show me these tentacles?
@BeInnocuous Do you believe in Joseph words (completely?) As a Joseph was a true prophet of God? Are you saying Doctrine & Covenants 1:30 has nothing to do with your leaders claming they have the only true church?
@BeInnocuous You sound really good (Mormons style) I'm not ignoring anything and I don't hold Jesus to a book, the church is the body of believers, not a building that has his name, your leaders couldn't make up their mind when they named the church, in 1833 was the church of Christ, 1838 the church of the Saints, and now is LDS. Whose only servants to the kingdom of God direction? Your leaders? please tell me you are joking right? Is there only on Lord? really? because U'll be sorry you said it
@BeInnocuous 1 Corinthians 8:5-6. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, Your church leaders use this to teach there are many gods, but here you are telling me Yes there is only one Lord.
So you do not believe that this vs is one that is true? The bible errors in this one verse? You are saying that there are not those that are called gods in heaven or earth?
When did I or any other Saint say there was more then one Lord? Understanding that there are gods is not the same as believing in the Almighty.
You understand that the root word of God in Hebrew is plural right? Do you understand the significance of why it is plural?
(called gods), some were total fakes but others were real manifestations of demons. However, none of them was a real god, look (Psalm 115:4-7 Acts 19:26.
some were total fakes demons included... But we as children of God from the beginning with Adam have already become as one of them ( as in God ). Christ also taught that those that received the word of God are gods John 10:35. It does not matter that you think this only means judges. All "god" is is a title. But tell me who is the ultimate judge? God right? So you can add Judge to the list of names and titles for God.
@BeInnocuous 1 Corinthians 8:5 6 Paul was talking to the Corinthians, (as there be gods many and lords many) this city was notice for being luxuries wealthy and immoral, and they had a pagan temple there in Corinth and they would worship their pagan Gods and their pagan idols, and they would make sacrifice to them, so when Paul said there will be gods many and lords many, now the gods have lower d in it and a lower l, Paul is talking about his idols. But keep reading and you’ll (continue)
@BeInnocuous see the verse where he says, “but to us” there’s only one God and One Lord. Isaiah 43:10-11: "I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, and the LORD; and beside me there is no savior."Isaiah 44:6: "Thus saith the LORD...I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."Isaiah 45:22: ...and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me....I am God, and there is none else."
Do we really have to go over this again and again? We know there is only one God. Denouncing that we are gods means you denounce Jesus view as his is one in the same.
@BeInnocuous Book of Mormon (One God) Alma 11:27-39, 44 2 Nephi 31:21. Mormon 7:7. 3 Nephi 11:27, and testimony of three witnesses. (LDS contradictions) Plural Gods, Section 121:32. Section 132:18, 37. There is no point really, LDS Prophet Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal man: "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. .I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and (continue)
@BeInnocuous supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God,
@BeInnocuous and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; ...you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,... from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings.
@BeInnocuous and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6). LDS President Brigham Young declared that God was once a finite being: "It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being" (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290) LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith said that God had a father, a grandfather, etc
@BeInnocuous Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47.LDS President Joseph F Smith taught that God was born as a mortal on some other earth: "I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions...Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman" (Deseret News, Church News, Sept. 19, 1936, p. 2)
@BeInnocuous LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie taught:"The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64) LDS Apostle Melvin Ballard explained that God has a wife: "For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother" (As quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage,
The greek word for adoption is huiothesia & means “to formally and legally declare that someone who is not one’s own child is henceforth to be treated and cared for as one’s own child, including complete rights of inheritance.” -Louw and Nida’s Greek Lexicon
There is a heavy implication of legality like i said. Please if you are just going to be contentious I'll just ignore you. I'm sorry that you are ignorant on this subject but that gives you no right to take it out on me.
@Jack44M We only become God's children via adoption.
Looks like I'm going to have to explain some more to you as you really do not understand how the bible was written and who it was written to. Remember to read my next lesson when i post it... your crying and complaining is tiresome. My kids did not even whine as much as you do.
I dont want 2 come across as arrogant& just belittling u with ur ignorance on such a simple topic yet this topic is huge& must be applied with the whole Bible. This topic is context.
Adoption is only found in the following scriptures Rom. 8:15, 23; 9:4; Gal. 4:5& Eph. 1:5 This is because adoption to the Romans was permanent. u could disown ur son from birth but not a son from adoption
Hebrews views on birth& genealogy r obvious& r used to teach them in 1 Pet 1:23 James 1:18
Mormon forefathers bore their testimonies for a different set of doctrines that are now said to be false by the current LDS church.Some of these doctrines were: Adam as God, polygamy is essential to salvation, blacks will be denied the priesthood until the second comming of Christ, and blood atonment. Why are these Mormon testimonies not true anymore?
So you only believe the verses that say adoption and ignore the ones that say we are his children his offspring and are born again by the Spirit? Your stance is based on half truths.
Instead of trying to guess what I believe and don't believe....just provide the evidence that we are God's literal offspring. I am curious how, when the BofM states God is a spirit, the LonF state God is a spirit, and the Bible states God is a spirit, it is possible.
Do you really need me to quote the verses that state what I believe? Why? So you can deny them and repeat that you are not godly and that you believe in an unknown god that has nothing to do with who we are? You totally and utterly miss what the Good News is. Christianity today is as different from it's roots as Islam has become.
No, I just do not believe u have the smarts to understand it. u cant even begin 2 understand what was written 2 the Romans was catered 2 their thinking & what was written 2 the Jews was catered 2 their thinking. u just pick the 1 that agrees with ur opinion & then u implement ur own context on it regardless of anything else. Then u ignore the things that directly contradict ur understanding & u implement context on them to help justify the fact that u ignore them all together.
“to formally and legally declare that someone who is not one’s own child is henceforth to be treated and cared for as one’s own child, including complete rights of inheritance.”
keyphrase....not one’s own child. We aren't God's own child except via adoption. Simple as that.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
So are you born again as a child of God of incorruptible seed? Or are you ths same person that was just adopted? "You have no context" Why don't you quote that from my own post?
What you've quoted has nothing to do with being a "spirit child" in the pre-existance as the Brethern have taught. You know, the ones Heavenly Father produces with one of his wives....maybe a biblical reference to Mother God or Mother in Heaven would work. Have one?
the 2nd anointing has nothing to do with becoming God.
So can you explain why we are to be one as Jesus and God are one? And why Jesus is in us as God is in him? John 17
So right hand or not... You didn't know much about adoption and what it's background was so i do not put much value on what you believe the Greek says.
Godhood and becoming like God and being a god is not the same as becoming = to the Father. It is you that is ignorant on this topic. You are trying to put meaning that is not there.
I was merely proving you to be a liar...by the words of your cult's doctrine and the statements of your General Authorities.
You said the 2nd Anointing has nothing to do with becoming a God. McConkie said the recipients of the 2nd Anointing have their exaltation assured and D&C 132 says exaltation means becoming a God.
Everyone should read 19 and 20 and they will see how you lie poorly....lol
19 "...to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. "
You did not answer the question all you did was try to go around it. But you are right. Jesus does not dwell in us just like God does not dwell in Jesus just like Jesus and God are not one nor us one with them, they are metaphors. They have meaning that you deny and just want to take them literal. I think this comes from the lack of wanting to take responsibility or be accountable for anything except simple believe. And then it is one time at one moment to utter a prayer.
You claim that Jesus and God are one and John 17 shows that if that is literal then we are also one and that as God is in Jesus, Jesus is in us... Context. You seem to miss it altogether.
You keep saying that I claim this and I said that....I'm still waiting for you to post my EXACT quotes for what you claim I said. What's the matter....?
Lets start with your denial of being a cult member. If you view yourself as a "Christian" you are most defiantly a cult member. Seeing as one of the main definitions of what a cult is is a group of people whose worship is centered around a central figure or a system of religious worship directed towards a particular figure or object.
You've been making claims about statements I've made and I've asked you over and over again to back it up. Instead of backing up your fat mouth, you just make add'l claims. So, once again, where have I denied being a cult member.
u seem to not want to answer questions. I assumed it was because u r afraid of me making out to be unlearned on any given topic like i did with the whole adoption/context. I know u will refuse to accept what I've given you and that just shows u as unwilling to learn even though u dont have to accept of believe it.
So since i can back up the claims about what i believe now u want me to back up what i believe your opinion is. Ill stop as that is wrong of me to do.
@Jack44M "...it will be seen that the GREAT MESSIAH who was the founder of the Christian religion, WAS A POLYGAMIST, . . .the MESSIAH chose. . .by marrying honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that HE approbated the plurality of wives under the Christian dispensation, as well as under the dispensation in which His polygamist ancestors lived. . . .We have now clearly shown that God the Father had a plurality of wives. . ."-orsan prat mormon apostle
@Jack44M Of course in an indirect way mormons still believe Jesus was married. This is why: They believe one has to be married and sealed in their temple for admittance into the Celestial Kingdom, their version of heaven. For Christ to be allowed into his own heaven he would by necessity had to have been married during his lifetime. So this is why mormons avoid this subject. If Jesus was not married, their "New and Everlasting Covenant" is invalid.
@BeInnocuous LDS Church manual, 1976, p. 129). LDS Doctrine and Covenants promises the faithful LDS couple that they can achieve godhood in the same manner as God the Father: "if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, they shall [have] a continuation of the seeds [children] forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, Then shall they be gods, because they have all power,
@BeInnocuous and continuation of the lives,... [endless procreation of spirit children]" (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:18-22) LDS President Brigham Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood: "Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive" (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 245)
@BeInnocuous LDS President Joseph F. Smith said: "We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 54).As recently as 2007 both Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Dallen Oakes, during an interview for PBS, explained that God the father has a resurrected body. Apostle Packer stated: "That vision [Joseph Smith's 1820 vision]
@BeInnocuous taught us some things. We learned about the personality of God the Father, a resurrected Being, as part of our gospel.Apostle Oakes used the same term when he was interviewed: "The first revelation received by Joseph Smith was the appearance to him of the Father and the Son embodied, separate, identifiable, tangible Beings who appeared to him in what we refer to as the First Vision. And that first revelation, concerning the nature of God as an embodied, glorified, resurrected Being,
@BeInnocuous challenged the creeds of Christianity. Christianity describes God as a disembodied, incomprehensible, spiritual entity that fills the whole universe, and an indistinguishable Father and Son." LDS Apostle James E. Talmage taught that God progressed from a mortal to a god: "We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement — a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which (continue)
@BeInnocuous now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be'" (Articles of Faith, Ch. 24, p. 430-431). This is where you are wrong in your idea of one claiming you have one God, God Does not fit into your leaders discription of who he is, and you have believe them blindly.
@BeInnocuous LDS.org baby!! :) Mormon.org :) I accept your challange on what I know! Is easy! For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcome it not as the word of Men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believed. 1 Peter 1:23, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible seed, through the word of God which lives and abides FOREVER, (continue)
@BeInnocuous , False prophet Joseph smith didn’t believed in this word, and so arrogantly he wrote another book saying Gods word wasn’t true, he didn’t believed this true, so he invested a lie, and posted around the world. Shame on you, and poor you and many other who have believed in this lie, and have their salvation depended on this fantasy.
Joseph did believe in God and his word to men. He never claimed Gods word wasn't true. I think you are confusing that with your understanding of Gods word is not true.
I see you are very practiced at pointing fingers and making claims.
@BeInnocuous Joseph Smith. Besides his assertion that the Book of Mormon was far superior to the Bible, he charged that the Bible had been changed by "Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests. (History of the Church, vol. 6, page 57) I see you keep ingoring your false prophets preaching about Jesus practicing polygamy.
@Chinaculiacan "Joseph Smith. Besides his assertion that the Book of Mormon was far superior to the Bible"
Can you quote that for me?
There are more differences between the manuscripts then there are words in the New Testament. Once you can accept this simple truth then you will understand the realistic views me and many more have of the Bible. It is only a book. It is only Gods word when you have the Spirit of God to teach you the simple truths behind its words.
The introduction to the Book Of Mormon says that it is the most correct book on earth.Joseph Smith said the bible was full of errors (i.e quote Joseph Smith)
....another typical Mormon. Since no history exists they have to manufacture one for the BofM. Science proves it's bogus and the bible proves it's heresy. In the end all their have is their "testimony" and begin the mantra....I know the church is true....I know Joseph Smith was a prophet....and on and on ad nauseum.
What's funny is he never answers the question of where the original God came from. lol
If God was a man who became a God, then his God had a God who had a God....go back far enough and there has to be a "First God". Where did he come from?
....just another example of how their false doctrine falls apart.
Time and time again your claims have been shown to be distorted or false. Why waste any more time destroying your claims, that I know to be false, when you will not hearken? It is time to move on. Despite all your claims, you will find one day that I was not lying or deceived. Take care brother.
Oh, yes I forgot about the archealogical proof. That's where these guys take it from here: fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/Archaeological_Evidence_and_the_Book_of_Mormon.html
Not ONE of those clowns is an archaeologist. On the other hand, I posted the world's foremost expert on mesoamerica and he says there is NO evidence to support the BofM. In fact, one of the claims Mormon apologists shout off about was not even in existence during the BofM timeline.
What's next? FARMS? Jeff Lindsay? lol
So far all you've done is complain and bear testimony; you've offered no evidence to support your claim
Notice your "experts" and their sources....not ONE single paper submitted for peer review. Even Sorenson won't do that because he knows he won't get published again. Instead, it's one apologist quoting another apologist and acting like that is proof. Sorenson publishes books and makes money from gullible Mormons......
Eternal progression is a true principle. Even if you regress to learn another princicple is this not progression? I believe so. God, however, is perfected and glorified and knows all things. He's at the top of the top. But the fact that Hr merely continues in glory and righteousness is still progression. progression is never ending. It's like when an overweight person goes back to their proper body weight and stays that way for the rest of their life, never going back to overwieght.
According to the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator....Brigham Young
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"God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 120).
....so the Mormon God knew less yesterday than he does today.
Great video. Thanks for posting this.
jakeel85 50 minutes ago
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thuggie1 9 hours ago
@thuggie1 Hahaha, I see you are frustrated and cannot discuss politely with the more intelligent Jack44M. So you debase yourself and start calling him names. "DICK", really, is that all you got? Looks like he owned you easily! Look at your post, you drone on about being polite then you attack christians comparing them to the despicable muslims, and calling them crap! Then you call the person you are posting to a "Dick". It seems you hindus are Shit for brains! Hence the diaper on head.
eag11e 8 hours ago
@eag11e you are the same as Muslims you have the same doctrine hate others while professing love and you shell fade away in history. and i don't know why you a profane Sikhs with that last comments, Hindus don't where turbans. Judaism, Christianity and Islam. they are al classed under the banner of Abrahmic belief structures there for they are the same in origin. the only one that differs slightly is Christianity as it allowed a lot of Roman and Greek pagan belief into it.
thuggie1 8 hours ago
@eag11e you think that you are intelligent, well you are not you just wont to cores conflict. i know this as you started it with these others. you attack others behind behind a computer screen. you even hide your youtube page, you are a cowered. you are trying to get a response that is all. you are nothing but a small minded person with a small town mentality. you are drunk with a daemonic delusions of what is right and what is wrong, and you have lost your humanity in the process.
thuggie1 8 hours ago
@thuggie1 Since these marriages are recorded in your cults records I suppose they were practicing polygamy. BTW, brigham never denied practicing polygamy or polyandry, he bragged about it. He granted at least one of his polygamist wives a divorce. If they were not married why would he have had to divorce her?
eag11e 19 hours ago
@eag11e what do you mean my cult, i am a follower of Kali ma, mother of creation and destroyer daemons. i follow the father of creation shiva he who spun the starts and the universe into bean at the creation of time in the great fire of creation. they who stet in motion life throughout the whole of creation. in the beginning when the golden embryo divided creating the first. i am Hindu
thuggie1 10 hours ago
@thuggie1 Oh, I'm sorry to hear that you belong to the hindu cult. Why are you trolling on christian web sites? BTW, there is a feature on your windows called spell checker. you really need to use it. IE, "daemons, starts,bean, stet,. Why do you aspire to become a cow? Just curious.
I see you do not answer any of my questions. Why? brigham bragged about practicing polygamy! It was his choice. Why do you claim he did not? Divorce is a legal proceeding! (cont)
eag11e 8 hours ago
@thuggie1 Why did brigham divorce one of his wives if he was, as you claim, not married to her? These are simple questions for a simple mind like yours. If you cannot answer them then go and educate yourself. you cults are all the same. mormons wear magic underwear, and you wear a diaper wrapped around your head. you want to say something here, but frankly have nothing to say. Be Gone!
eag11e 8 hours ago
@eag11e also a churches records are not legal documents, Christian... instead of debasing other peoples religion look at your own faith and stop
thuggie1 9 hours ago
Mormons are the most demented lunatics on this planet and that includes muslims.
califtom 2 days ago
There were more than one clergy or man technically in authority, right inside the church that performed marraige ceremonies. they were able to do it without public knowledge.
TheSoulamore 2 days ago
"If he was on God's right hand that had to hurt....especially since your cult claims God has a body of flesh and bone. rofl"-That was an extremely pathetic joke attempt. Stick to your usual "shoe size iq" insult.
Read Exodus 24:9-16. This is clearly describing God and His Glory.Also read Exodus 33:11,18-23-Moses see's his body but NOT his face.
BTW-I don't care what the Greek version is of Kabod,Moses was hebrew, therefore he wrote in Hebrew. Kobad is Glory. Kobad appears when God is present.
blackmamba54321 3 days ago
@blackmamba54321
Since you choose Kabod and since the meaning of the word denotes weight or heaviness; do tell us how that denotes physicality.
Also, you choose to ignore the obvious references to God having physical attributes as a literary device (anthropomorphic) , then your Mormon God has to be a bird w/feathers (Psalm 91:4). The Bird God of Mormonism....lol
Lastly, the BofM and the LonF both state God is a spirit; are both wrong?
Jack44M 3 days ago
From the original Title Page of the BofM
“…if there be fault, it be the mistake of men,”
Does that sound like an ancient prophet speaking or someone from the 19th Century? I say it be from the 19th Century. lol
Jack44M 4 days ago
"....God, an infinite and eternal being who has presided in our universe for almost 2,555,000,000 years"--McConkie, The 7 Deadly Heresies
Question: Who was in charge 2,556,000,000 years ago? lol
Jack44M 5 days ago
also the abstaining from alcohol by the LDS goes back to the 1920's
thuggie1 5 days ago
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@thuggie1 Rally? MORmON Joseph Smith Drank Wine and smocked tobacco! JOSEPH gave Dr.Richards 2 dollars to give the guard;but the guard said one was enough,and would take no more.The guard immediately sent FOR A BOTTLE OF WINE, pipes,and two small papers of tobacco;and one of the guards brought them into the jail soon after the jailor went out. Dr. Richards uncorked the bottle,AND PRESENTED A GLASS TO JOSEPH,WHO TASTED,AS BROTHER TAYLOR AND THE DOCTOR. (History of the Church,Vol. 6, page 616)
Chinaculiacan 4 days ago
Polygamy was not illegal in the united states until 1850, and what is the big point anyway.
thuggie1 5 days ago
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@thuggie1
"Polygamy was not illegal in the united states until 1850"
Revised Laws of Illinois, 1833, p.198-99 Bigamy prohibited.
What's next; you'll say Smith didn't break the law because he had more than 2 wives?.....
Jack44M 5 days ago
@thuggie1 Polygamy was ALWAYS illegal in the usa. It just didnt get inforced until 1950 because no one did it until you morons came along and were obsessed with fucking everyone lol
liamlloyd77 3 days ago
@liamlloyd77
No need for ignorant rants like that. I'll go out on a limb and bet you thing the LDS hates gay people for their stance on marriage, right?
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous First of all, how was what I said "ignorant"? Did the mormons back then not practice polygamy openly and the usa government enoforced it after what they ofund out Joey was up to?
Second, I don't know what you are talking about gay marriage? Please explain
liamlloyd77 3 days ago
@liamlloyd77
I can not help you understand what was ignorant about your statement. I believe it is beyond your ability.
Prop 8. How do you feel about the LDS church support of it?
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous i thought as much. you cant help anyone understand shit, because you dont know what youre talking about
i think the lds support of prop 8 is disgusting
liamlloyd77 3 days ago
@liamlloyd77
More ignorance.
Why is the support of Prop 8 disgusting... or is your opinion fueled purely on your disdain of the Saints?
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous Its disgusting because you should leave people the fuck alone to do what they wanna do. If those gays wanna get married then who the fuck are you to tell them they cant? The only ignorance fuck around here is you
liamlloyd77 3 days ago
@liamlloyd77
So you can mock the LDS for their practice of polygamy but it is wrong for them to promote traditional marriage morals? Take your own vulgar language to heart... and leave them alone.
Besides. Gays have the right to marry just like everyone else.
Your speech proves your ignorance. Too bad you mom did not teach you any better.
Sk8er408 3 days ago
@liamlloyd77
I choose to ignore people like you. There is nothing I can offer you until you shed your hate.
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous Hate? I dont hate people like you. I feel sorry for you
liamlloyd77 3 days ago
@liamlloyd77
Who do I hate? You? Gay people? I'd like to know who his mystery hate i have.
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous I never said you hate anyone. Guilty conscious springs to mind
liamlloyd77 3 days ago
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@liamlloyd77 - I never said you hate anyone. Guilty conscious springs to mind
Let me remind you of your last post.
"Hate? I dont hate people like you. I feel sorry for you"
Again... Who do I hate? No guilty conscience... I would just like you to explain your accusation.
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@liamlloyd77 Yet another bigot.
blackmamba54321 3 days ago
@blackmamba54321 I thought as much
liamlloyd77 3 days ago
@liamlloyd77 Good job. You can admit it. Not many can do that. I'm proud of you. You need a hug?
blackmamba54321 3 days ago
@blackmamba54321 I dont understand. Go fuck your mother
liamlloyd77 3 days ago
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@thuggie1 This WAS flagged as spam--now REPOSTED!! "Polygamy was not illegal in the united states until 1850"
Revised Laws of Illinois, 1833, p.198-99 Bigamy prohibited.
What's next; you'll say Smith didn't break the law because he had more than 2 wives?.....
Jack44M 3 days ago
42apostate 1 day ago
Jack44MD, Thats awesome work. :)
TheSoulamore 5 days ago
@Jack44M Yes Jack,please,learn to read."Glory of God"Now lets see..."Jesus standing at the right hand of God"Oh! Whats that?! "...the right hand of God"? Hmm..Now it seems to me that Stephen saw not only the Glory of God (Glory is describing God,learn what an adjective is)but that He was on His RIGHT hand.So what you are telling me here,is that he literally saw the Glory, but not God (?), and saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God.How can he describe where Jesus is unless he can see God?
blackmamba54321 5 days ago
@blackmamba54321
If he was on God's right hand that had to hurt....especially since your cult claims God has a body of flesh and bone. rofl
The Greek word for "glory" is the same as was used in the Septuagint in the Holy of Holies and had nothing to do with physicality. Again; learn to read.
"Right hand" is a position and a descriptor of authority...ie Right Hand Man; it's not meant literally, otherwise a left handed person could never be someone's right hand man.
Jack44M 5 days ago
BeInnocuous, What are you talking about? I put up that quote as a reply to your denial about a source, stating the bom is far superior to the bible.
TheSoulamore 6 days ago
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@TheSoulamore
This is not establishing the BoM as far superior to the Bible."The testimony establishing the truth of the Book of Mormon is far superior to that establishing the Bible in its present form" This talks about the testimony of it that is why i ask u what testimony establishes the truth of the Bible? So u understand that this is an irreverent quote for what u r trying to prove&fully understand that this quote is accurate as u have no testimony to the truth of the Bible
BeInnocuous 6 days ago
BeInnocuous, I didnt say anything about testimony, it was one of your Latter Day leaders that made that quote.
TheSoulamore 6 days ago
@TheSoulamore
So you do not believe that quote is relevant at all, you are just using it as sensationalistic propaganda.
BeInnocuous 6 days ago
What testimony established the truth of the Bible?
BeInnocuous 6 days ago
"The testimony establishing the truth of the Book of Mormon is far superior to that establishing the Bible in its present form..." Orson pratt JoD v.7 pp. 22, 36, 37
TheSoulamore 6 days ago
Jack.... does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy to try to provoke me? I would caution you in your personal attacks... It might give you your personal satisfaction you are looking for... but from personal experience... Contention is a black pit that will suck you in if you indulge in it. I hope you come into the light and leave this chillness behind you. It helps nothing and no one but harms your character.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous
Contention?? Not at all...I just enjoy a good laugh. You, and your posts, are a joke and show everyone how Mormons run and hide when challenged to substantiate their claims.
Jack44M 1 week ago
@Jack44M
You challenged my claim and I gave you what you asked... So are you going to accept that I know more then you when it comes to the topic of Adoption and what the root words are and what they mean? Or are you going to continue your facade of the joker?
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous
Now, you are flat out lying....typical Mormon. I asked for the basis of your interpretation of adoption....you've given nothing other than those are the English words. rofl
Again and again I challenged you to provide the Greek from which the English was derived and you've run away. I'm bettin' you'll will continue to dodge and weave and lie. Let's watch and see......
Jack44M 1 week ago
@Jack44M
I've not lied about anything. I'll repost what i already have to show you.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
According to the Mormon Cult, if murder is the unpardonable sin, why did Moses appear in glory on the Mount of Transfiguration?
Jack44M 1 week ago
Ever wonder why Mormons insist that Ezekiel 37:15-22 is about two books instead of about two kingdoms as God Himself explained in verse 22?
Jack44M 1 week ago
@Jack44 Ezequiel 37:15The vision ends and Ezekiel received a graphic lesson that the people observed (verses 18, 20) This act of joining two clubs offered a second illustration of God not only collect the Israelites in their land. But for the first time since 931 a. C. (The end of the reign of Solomon 1 Kings 11:26-40), restore the unity of Israel and Judah (verses 19, 21, 22) in the messianic kingdom (Isaiah 11:12, 13; Jeremiah 3:18, Hosea 1: 1) (No, I don't see anything about 2 books) :)
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan
It's one more example of how their cult invents proof texts.
Jack44M 1 week ago
@Jack44M 37:22 A king, this leader (cf. verses 24, 25) is the King, Pastor promised Messiah and forcefully to the dynasty of David (34:23, 24; Jeremiah 23:5-8, 30:9, Deuteronomy 2:35, 45; 7:13, 14, 27) who is the only king of Zechariah. 14:9 (Matthew 25:31, 34, 40).
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
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@Jack44M 37:22 A king, this leader (cf. verses 24, 25) is the King, Pastor promised Messiah and forcefully to the dynasty of David (34:23, 24; Jeremiah 23:5-8, 30:9, Deuteronomy 2:35, 45; 7:13, 14, 27) who is the only king of Zechariah. 14:9 (Matthew 25:31, 34, 40).
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Jack44M
You are correct for once. It is talking about two nations. But those two nations will have their own dealings with God now won't they?
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
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@Jack44M
You are correct for once. It is talking about two nations. But those two nations will have their own dealings with God now won't they?
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
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@Jack44M
You are correct for once. It is talking about two nations. But those two nations will have their own dealings with God now won't they?
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
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@Jack44M
You are correct for once. It is talking about two nations. But those two nations will have their own dealings with God now won't they?
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
BeInnocuous, So why bring it up and not just respond to my answer to your question? Its the post right above your question to me.
TheSoulamore 1 week ago
eag11e, Hello. :) I enjoyed reading your posts this morning. God Bless you today.
TheSoulamore 1 week ago
@TheSoulamore Hey Sis! like wise. Have a Great Day!
eag11e 1 week ago
BeInnocuous, Why do you guess that i would believe in predestination. It must be religious teaching because God has never shown me that it matters whatsoever. Do you spend time with Jesus intimately and communicate with God daily?
TheSoulamore 1 week ago
@TheSoulamore *Not all,are children of God (or spirit children)
That is why i asked that question of you.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
Galatians 3:26 Ye are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. *Not all,are children of God (or spirit children) and why would the one true God have to make any sacrifice at all for us if we could all just progress by our works? doesnt make sense.
TheSoulamore 1 week ago
@TheSoulamore
We are all. So I guess you believe in a predestination?
What doesn't make sense is your sense of not believing you are a child of God... yet i bet you consider yourself a christian... am i right?
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
Ones words held accountability! Who’s judging who? Me by stating facts? Or you telling me I’m judging? This man said this! If he only knew what he was saying, he wouldn’t have said it. But their arrogant beliefs were beyond stupidity, I can only imagine, I can’t go where God is because I have to have his consent! OMG. And so LOL
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
(Brigham Young) From the day that the priesthood was take from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith Junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are, I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. Journal of Discourses 7:289 also cited in ensign, June 1994. Well here Young forgot God was not a student, and so he put God in a place where he needs to learn.
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan
I would like to know what you believe I have to do to be saved. Obviously you have issues with the Saints in general. Enlighten me. What church is the truth found in? Where do I have to go and attend to hear Gods word preached?
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous Jesus Christ is the truth! Jesus can't be hold into an organization, and their leaders saying this is the only true church in the face of the earth. Membership in the church of Christ are not determent by man but by God, Only the Mormon Church. The true church was taken from the earth until Joseph Smith restored it. Doctrine & Covenants 1:30. (D. & C. 10:67-69; 18:20-25.) It is literally the kingdom of God on earth (D. & C. 65; 84:34; 136:41) (continue)
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
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@Chinaculiacan Jesus Christ is the truth! Jesus can't be hold into an organization
But I'm sure you believe Jesus can be held to a book... right?
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous Christ did not come to establish a church, He came to establish a kingdom! John 18:35-37, Yeshua declared he is a king and his kingdom is not of this world. Revelation 11:15. I don't have issues with saints in general! You find where truth and solid doctrine of savior is preached! But the tentacles’ of Mormonism are in you, so it will be hard for you to try to find one.
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan
Your John reference has nothing to do about a "church"
Yes, Yeshua's Kingdom is in heaven.
Please point out these "tentacles' of Mormonsim" that are in me?
I think it is hard for someone that can say something like this to find any truth as they are given to their own beliefs, prejudices and judgments regardless of what God shows them.
So instead of another personal attack based solely on my religion and utterly empty, why don't you show me these tentacles?
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous Do you believe in Joseph words (completely?) As a Joseph was a true prophet of God? Are you saying Doctrine & Covenants 1:30 has nothing to do with your leaders claming they have the only true church?
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan
I see you ignored your comment about not holding Jesus to an organization but you clearly hold him to a book.
They Leaders to not have a church... The church belongs to God. They are only servants to the Kingdom under Gods direction.
Yes there is only one Lord, one faith, one baptism. Our Father is a God of unity not division and confusion.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous You sound really good (Mormons style) I'm not ignoring anything and I don't hold Jesus to a book, the church is the body of believers, not a building that has his name, your leaders couldn't make up their mind when they named the church, in 1833 was the church of Christ, 1838 the church of the Saints, and now is LDS. Whose only servants to the kingdom of God direction? Your leaders? please tell me you are joking right? Is there only on Lord? really? because U'll be sorry you said it
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous 1 Corinthians 8:5-6. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, Your church leaders use this to teach there are many gods, but here you are telling me Yes there is only one Lord.
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan
So you do not believe that this vs is one that is true? The bible errors in this one verse? You are saying that there are not those that are called gods in heaven or earth?
When did I or any other Saint say there was more then one Lord? Understanding that there are gods is not the same as believing in the Almighty.
You understand that the root word of God in Hebrew is plural right? Do you understand the significance of why it is plural?
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous I do understand why is plural!
(called gods), some were total fakes but others were real manifestations of demons. However, none of them was a real god, look (Psalm 115:4-7 Acts 19:26.
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan
some were total fakes demons included... But we as children of God from the beginning with Adam have already become as one of them ( as in God ). Christ also taught that those that received the word of God are gods John 10:35. It does not matter that you think this only means judges. All "god" is is a title. But tell me who is the ultimate judge? God right? So you can add Judge to the list of names and titles for God.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous 1 Corinthians 8:5 6 Paul was talking to the Corinthians, (as there be gods many and lords many) this city was notice for being luxuries wealthy and immoral, and they had a pagan temple there in Corinth and they would worship their pagan Gods and their pagan idols, and they would make sacrifice to them, so when Paul said there will be gods many and lords many, now the gods have lower d in it and a lower l, Paul is talking about his idols. But keep reading and you’ll (continue)
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous see the verse where he says, “but to us” there’s only one God and One Lord. Isaiah 43:10-11: "I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, and the LORD; and beside me there is no savior."Isaiah 44:6: "Thus saith the LORD...I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."Isaiah 45:22: ...and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me....I am God, and there is none else."
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan
Do we really have to go over this again and again? We know there is only one God. Denouncing that we are gods means you denounce Jesus view as his is one in the same.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous Book of Mormon (One God) Alma 11:27-39, 44 2 Nephi 31:21. Mormon 7:7. 3 Nephi 11:27, and testimony of three witnesses. (LDS contradictions) Plural Gods, Section 121:32. Section 132:18, 37. There is no point really, LDS Prophet Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal man: "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. .I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and (continue)
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God,
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; ...you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,... from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings.
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6). LDS President Brigham Young declared that God was once a finite being: "It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being" (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290) LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith said that God had a father, a grandfather, etc
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47.LDS President Joseph F Smith taught that God was born as a mortal on some other earth: "I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions...Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman" (Deseret News, Church News, Sept. 19, 1936, p. 2)
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie taught:"The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64) LDS Apostle Melvin Ballard explained that God has a wife: "For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother" (As quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage,
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan
I'm wondering if the Mormons still teach Jesus was married......and practiced polygamy.
Jack44M 1 week ago
@Jack44M I hope they don't, otherwise I will be really upset at them. Grrrrrrr
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Jack44M
The greek word for adoption is huiothesia & means “to formally and legally declare that someone who is not one’s own child is henceforth to be treated and cared for as one’s own child, including complete rights of inheritance.” -Louw and Nida’s Greek Lexicon
There is a heavy implication of legality like i said. Please if you are just going to be contentious I'll just ignore you. I'm sorry that you are ignorant on this subject but that gives you no right to take it out on me.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous
It took long enough, but I appreciate you making my point for me. We only become God's children via adoption.
Thanks again
Jack44M 1 week ago
@Jack44M
Long enough? that is a repost... All you had to do was read it the first time I posted it.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
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@Jack44M We only become God's children via adoption.
Looks like I'm going to have to explain some more to you as you really do not understand how the bible was written and who it was written to. Remember to read my next lesson when i post it... your crying and complaining is tiresome. My kids did not even whine as much as you do.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@Jack44M
Just so you know the OP of that is on page 8.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous
....missed it. My bad
Mormons should read that so they realize we are not the literal children of God; instead we become his children via adoption.
Jack44M 1 week ago
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@Jack44M
I dont want 2 come across as arrogant& just belittling u with ur ignorance on such a simple topic yet this topic is huge& must be applied with the whole Bible. This topic is context.
Adoption is only found in the following scriptures Rom. 8:15, 23; 9:4; Gal. 4:5& Eph. 1:5 This is because adoption to the Romans was permanent. u could disown ur son from birth but not a son from adoption
Hebrews views on birth& genealogy r obvious& r used to teach them in 1 Pet 1:23 James 1:18
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@Jack44M
Thanks for accepting that you were in the wrong.
We are his children and are born again as such.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
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@BeInnocuous
Mormon forefathers bore their testimonies for a different set of doctrines that are now said to be false by the current LDS church.Some of these doctrines were: Adam as God, polygamy is essential to salvation, blacks will be denied the priesthood until the second comming of Christ, and blood atonment. Why are these Mormon testimonies not true anymore?
endofus 6 days ago
@BeInnocuous
Guess again....you haven't provided ANY evidence we are the literal children of God. lol
Jack44M 6 days ago
@Jack44M
So you only believe the verses that say adoption and ignore the ones that say we are his children his offspring and are born again by the Spirit? Your stance is based on half truths.
BeInnocuous 6 days ago
@BeInnocuous
Instead of trying to guess what I believe and don't believe....just provide the evidence that we are God's literal offspring. I am curious how, when the BofM states God is a spirit, the LonF state God is a spirit, and the Bible states God is a spirit, it is possible.
Jack44M 6 days ago
@Jack44M
Do you really need me to quote the verses that state what I believe? Why? So you can deny them and repeat that you are not godly and that you believe in an unknown god that has nothing to do with who we are? You totally and utterly miss what the Good News is. Christianity today is as different from it's roots as Islam has become.
BeInnocuous 6 days ago
@BeInnocuous
...in other words you can't back up your claim. lol
Jack44M 6 days ago
@Jack44M
No, I just do not believe u have the smarts to understand it. u cant even begin 2 understand what was written 2 the Romans was catered 2 their thinking & what was written 2 the Jews was catered 2 their thinking. u just pick the 1 that agrees with ur opinion & then u implement ur own context on it regardless of anything else. Then u ignore the things that directly contradict ur understanding & u implement context on them to help justify the fact that u ignore them all together.
BeInnocuous 6 days ago
@BeInnocuous
From your own post:
“to formally and legally declare that someone who is not one’s own child is henceforth to be treated and cared for as one’s own child, including complete rights of inheritance.”
keyphrase....not one’s own child. We aren't God's own child except via adoption. Simple as that.
Jack44M 5 days ago
@Jack44M
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
So are you born again as a child of God of incorruptible seed? Or are you ths same person that was just adopted? "You have no context" Why don't you quote that from my own post?
BeInnocuous 5 days ago
@BeInnocuous
Born again = Spiritual Birth
What you've quoted has nothing to do with being a "spirit child" in the pre-existance as the Brethern have taught. You know, the ones Heavenly Father produces with one of his wives....maybe a biblical reference to Mother God or Mother in Heaven would work. Have one?
Jack44M 5 days ago
@Jack44M
Adoption = Spiritual adoption
Again you can not explain this contradiction. Are we spiritually born again or spiritually adopted?
BeInnocuous 5 days ago
@BeInnocuous Isaiah 14:10-15
King James Version (KJV)
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."
This is you're warning for having the ambition of Lucifer, you're not going to be a God, but will be cast into the pit.
endofus 5 days ago
@endofus
I nor any other Saint has made the claim that we are going to be a God.
BeInnocuous 5 days ago
@BeInnocuous
What about those who receive the 2nd Anointing where their exaltation is assured?
Jack44M 5 days ago
@Jack44M
the 2nd anointing has nothing to do with becoming God.
So can you explain why we are to be one as Jesus and God are one? And why Jesus is in us as God is in him? John 17
So right hand or not... You didn't know much about adoption and what it's background was so i do not put much value on what you believe the Greek says.
BeInnocuous 5 days ago
@BeInnocuous
McConkie was a General Authority when he said that....do you hold a higher office? Highly unlikely lol
He said their exaltation is assured and according to D&C 132, that means Godhood. Either you are ignorant or just another lying Mormon.
Jack44M 4 days ago
@Jack44M
Godhood and becoming like God and being a god is not the same as becoming = to the Father. It is you that is ignorant on this topic. You are trying to put meaning that is not there.
BeInnocuous 4 days ago
@BeInnocuous
I was merely proving you to be a liar...by the words of your cult's doctrine and the statements of your General Authorities.
You said the 2nd Anointing has nothing to do with becoming a God. McConkie said the recipients of the 2nd Anointing have their exaltation assured and D&C 132 says exaltation means becoming a God.
BOOM ! lol
Jack44M 4 days ago
@Jack44M
D&C 123:20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end....Then shall they be gods
This says noting about becoming a God or God or his equal... so the liar made is you.
BeInnocuous 4 days ago
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Jack44M 4 days ago
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@BeInnocuous
Everyone should read 19 and 20 and they will see how you lie poorly....lol
19 "...to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. "
Jack44M 4 days ago
@BeInnocuous
"So can you explain why we are to be one as Jesus and God are one? And why Jesus is in us as God is in him? John 17"
It is hilarious you say Jesus is in us because Mormon Doctrine says that is false.....just another proof Mormonism is heresy.
Here's D&C 130:3
"the idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man’s heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false"
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Jack44M 4 days ago
@Jack44M
You did not answer the question all you did was try to go around it. But you are right. Jesus does not dwell in us just like God does not dwell in Jesus just like Jesus and God are not one nor us one with them, they are metaphors. They have meaning that you deny and just want to take them literal. I think this comes from the lack of wanting to take responsibility or be accountable for anything except simple believe. And then it is one time at one moment to utter a prayer.
BeInnocuous 4 days ago
@BeInnocuous
lol....you were running away from your 2nd Anointing lie so fast you ran into John 17.
I never said "dwelling in us" is literal. But, you said I did so post my quotes where I said that.
Waiting.......
Jack44M 4 days ago
@Jack44M
You claim that Jesus and God are one and John 17 shows that if that is literal then we are also one and that as God is in Jesus, Jesus is in us... Context. You seem to miss it altogether.
BeInnocuous 4 days ago
@BeInnocuous
You keep saying that I claim this and I said that....I'm still waiting for you to post my EXACT quotes for what you claim I said. What's the matter....?
Jack44M 4 days ago
@Jack44M
So you deny the trinity... Good man.
BeInnocuous 4 days ago
@BeInnocuous
The only thing I've denied is your cult. lol
Again...waiting for you to post the quotes of what I've claimed.
Jack44M 3 days ago
@Jack44M
Lets start with your denial of being a cult member. If you view yourself as a "Christian" you are most defiantly a cult member. Seeing as one of the main definitions of what a cult is is a group of people whose worship is centered around a central figure or a system of religious worship directed towards a particular figure or object.
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous
"Lets start with your denial of being a cult member. "
Ok...let's start with that. Post any quote of mine that states I deny being a cult member.
Jack44M 3 days ago
@Jack44M
My bad... i misread your post.
So do you believe in the trinity or not? I give straight forward answers. What are you afraid of?
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@BeInnocuous
Afraid?....lol
You've been making claims about statements I've made and I've asked you over and over again to back it up. Instead of backing up your fat mouth, you just make add'l claims. So, once again, where have I denied being a cult member.
Jack44M 3 days ago
@Jack44M
u seem to not want to answer questions. I assumed it was because u r afraid of me making out to be unlearned on any given topic like i did with the whole adoption/context. I know u will refuse to accept what I've given you and that just shows u as unwilling to learn even though u dont have to accept of believe it.
So since i can back up the claims about what i believe now u want me to back up what i believe your opinion is. Ill stop as that is wrong of me to do.
BeInnocuous 3 days ago
@Jack44M So Stephen didn't see Jesus Christ on His right hand? What did he see exactly then? Who did he see Christ standing next to?
blackmamba54321 6 days ago
@blackmamba54321
Learn to read...I know it's a challenge, but try
"But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God."
It clearly states he saw the Glory of God and Jesus
Jack44M 6 days ago
@Jack44M
The next verse shows Stephen praying to Jesus which means Stephen certainly was not a Mormon.
endofus 5 days ago
@endofus
lol....you have a point.
Jack44M 5 days ago
@Jack44M "...it will be seen that the GREAT MESSIAH who was the founder of the Christian religion, WAS A POLYGAMIST, . . .the MESSIAH chose. . .by marrying honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that HE approbated the plurality of wives under the Christian dispensation, as well as under the dispensation in which His polygamist ancestors lived. . . .We have now clearly shown that God the Father had a plurality of wives. . ."-orsan prat mormon apostle
eag11e 1 week ago
@Jack44M Of course in an indirect way mormons still believe Jesus was married. This is why: They believe one has to be married and sealed in their temple for admittance into the Celestial Kingdom, their version of heaven. For Christ to be allowed into his own heaven he would by necessity had to have been married during his lifetime. So this is why mormons avoid this subject. If Jesus was not married, their "New and Everlasting Covenant" is invalid.
eag11e 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous LDS Church manual, 1976, p. 129). LDS Doctrine and Covenants promises the faithful LDS couple that they can achieve godhood in the same manner as God the Father: "if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, they shall [have] a continuation of the seeds [children] forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, Then shall they be gods, because they have all power,
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous and continuation of the lives,... [endless procreation of spirit children]" (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:18-22) LDS President Brigham Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood: "Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive" (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 245)
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous LDS President Joseph F. Smith said: "We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 54).As recently as 2007 both Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Dallen Oakes, during an interview for PBS, explained that God the father has a resurrected body. Apostle Packer stated: "That vision [Joseph Smith's 1820 vision]
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous taught us some things. We learned about the personality of God the Father, a resurrected Being, as part of our gospel.Apostle Oakes used the same term when he was interviewed: "The first revelation received by Joseph Smith was the appearance to him of the Father and the Son embodied, separate, identifiable, tangible Beings who appeared to him in what we refer to as the First Vision. And that first revelation, concerning the nature of God as an embodied, glorified, resurrected Being,
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous challenged the creeds of Christianity. Christianity describes God as a disembodied, incomprehensible, spiritual entity that fills the whole universe, and an indistinguishable Father and Son." LDS Apostle James E. Talmage taught that God progressed from a mortal to a god: "We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement — a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which (continue)
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be'" (Articles of Faith, Ch. 24, p. 430-431). This is where you are wrong in your idea of one claiming you have one God, God Does not fit into your leaders discription of who he is, and you have believe them blindly.
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan
You sure are good at cutting and pasting... Now lets see what you know.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous LDS.org baby!! :) Mormon.org :) I accept your challange on what I know! Is easy! For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcome it not as the word of Men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believed. 1 Peter 1:23, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible seed, through the word of God which lives and abides FOREVER, (continue)
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous , False prophet Joseph smith didn’t believed in this word, and so arrogantly he wrote another book saying Gods word wasn’t true, he didn’t believed this true, so he invested a lie, and posted around the world. Shame on you, and poor you and many other who have believed in this lie, and have their salvation depended on this fantasy.
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan
Joseph did believe in God and his word to men. He never claimed Gods word wasn't true. I think you are confusing that with your understanding of Gods word is not true.
I see you are very practiced at pointing fingers and making claims.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago 2
@BeInnocuous Joseph Smith. Besides his assertion that the Book of Mormon was far superior to the Bible, he charged that the Bible had been changed by "Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests. (History of the Church, vol. 6, page 57) I see you keep ingoring your false prophets preaching about Jesus practicing polygamy.
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
@Chinaculiacan "Joseph Smith. Besides his assertion that the Book of Mormon was far superior to the Bible"
Can you quote that for me?
There are more differences between the manuscripts then there are words in the New Testament. Once you can accept this simple truth then you will understand the realistic views me and many more have of the Bible. It is only a book. It is only Gods word when you have the Spirit of God to teach you the simple truths behind its words.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous '
The introduction to the Book Of Mormon says that it is the most correct book on earth.Joseph Smith said the bible was full of errors (i.e quote Joseph Smith)
endofus 6 days ago
@endofus
This says nothing about it being "far superior to the bible"
BeInnocuous 6 days ago
God is increasing in Knowledge (Joseph Smith) Journal of Discourses, Vol 6, p 120 )
Chinaculiacan 1 week ago
Jack44MD, Ha! Was that an Lds approved brush off? I really like that he doesnt get real hot under the collar. I give him props for that. :)
TheSoulamore 1 week ago
@TheSoulamore
....another typical Mormon. Since no history exists they have to manufacture one for the BofM. Science proves it's bogus and the bible proves it's heresy. In the end all their have is their "testimony" and begin the mantra....I know the church is true....I know Joseph Smith was a prophet....and on and on ad nauseum.
Jack44M 1 week ago
@TheSoulamore
What's funny is he never answers the question of where the original God came from. lol
If God was a man who became a God, then his God had a God who had a God....go back far enough and there has to be a "First God". Where did he come from?
....just another example of how their false doctrine falls apart.
Jack44M 1 week ago
Time and time again your claims have been shown to be distorted or false. Why waste any more time destroying your claims, that I know to be false, when you will not hearken? It is time to move on. Despite all your claims, you will find one day that I was not lying or deceived. Take care brother.
Frankly1337 1 week ago
Oh, yes I forgot about the archealogical proof. That's where these guys take it from here: fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/Archaeological_Evidence_and_the_Book_of_Mormon.html
be sure to start the address properly
Frankly1337 1 week ago
@Frankly1337
FAIR....that's your "proof"? BWAHAHAHA
Not ONE of those clowns is an archaeologist. On the other hand, I posted the world's foremost expert on mesoamerica and he says there is NO evidence to support the BofM. In fact, one of the claims Mormon apologists shout off about was not even in existence during the BofM timeline.
What's next? FARMS? Jeff Lindsay? lol
So far all you've done is complain and bear testimony; you've offered no evidence to support your claim
Jack44M 1 week ago
@Frankly1337
Notice your "experts" and their sources....not ONE single paper submitted for peer review. Even Sorenson won't do that because he knows he won't get published again. Instead, it's one apologist quoting another apologist and acting like that is proof. Sorenson publishes books and makes money from gullible Mormons......
Jack44M 1 week ago
that line below is supposed to say "But the fact that He..." not "But the fact that Hr..."
Frankly1337 1 week ago
Eternal progression is a true principle. Even if you regress to learn another princicple is this not progression? I believe so. God, however, is perfected and glorified and knows all things. He's at the top of the top. But the fact that Hr merely continues in glory and righteousness is still progression. progression is never ending. It's like when an overweight person goes back to their proper body weight and stays that way for the rest of their life, never going back to overwieght.
Frankly1337 1 week ago
@Frankly1337
God does not progress in glory or righteousness... this is a misunderstanding. He would only progress in his works.
BeInnocuous 1 week ago
@BeInnocuous
According to the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator....Brigham Young
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"God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 120).
....so the Mormon God knew less yesterday than he does today.
Jack44M 1 week ago