where else could you get a murder in broad daylight , thousands of on lookers, a VIP, no press cameras , a security stand down, a lone assassin with one of the worst imaginable sniper rifles...with ties to the CIA , and no trial ....wait let me think ...durh !
USA can you sort your shit out please. It would have been laughable if this had happened in darkest Africa ! (Dont look hard at 911 it will seem like Deja Vu !)
also in the Nix film above there is no sign of Gordon Arnold...there is a sign of a person on the grassy knoll in a shooting position and that head shot came from that person..no way LHO was able to shoot him in the side of his head but he was involed just like the CIA was also
If you look at how Jackie O puts her face directly in front of JFK's right before the head shot I don't see how she does'nt get it if the shot comes from behind. That shot came from either The Grassy Knoll or that storm drain. IMO .That throat shot was from behind probably though.
at 0:02 look directly up from kennedy and you see the retaining wall. see the badge man in firing position right where the wall rises up a foot? DUDE IS SITTING ON A 4X4 VEHICLE PASSENGER WINDOW WITH HIS FEET INSIDE THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE IS BACKED IN TO POSITION THERE. CLEAR AS DAY. HE TAKES HIS SHOT AND THEN SLIPS BACK INTO THE VEHICLE AND OFF THRU THE GAP IN THE FENCES INTO THE PARKING LOT AND GONE.
check out all other video/pictures of that portion of the wall.
C: The so-called 'Badgeman' is a coke bottle on the end of the retaining wall. It's seen in 30 other pictures taken in the next 5 minutes.
D: From the position at the fence where this man was alleged to be, the squared end of the white retaining wall would prevent a line-of-sight to JFK's head at the time it was struck. Go there, stand in the middle of the road and look up at it.
Are you referring to the parking lot causeway behind the Bryan Pergola? It opens from Elm & Houston & goes back to the train-yard. Another entrance is over the triple underpass. (I thought you said 'break in the fence')
B. The only 4x4 available to the general public in 1963 was the Willy's Jeep. Very easy to spot.
C. From the POV of Moorman's Polaroid the view of the fence intersects the top of the white retaining wall.
D. I didn't call you a moron. Why are you calling me one?
(I have no doubt that the page exists, but U-Toob doesn't like us posting URL's)
Now, I'm not really sure of what exactly you're referring to, but, as I suspect, it's Mary Moorman's Polaroid picture on which you base this 'Badgeman' thing, I can assure you that this has been thoroughly explored for years. The smudge on the top of the white wall is either the Coke Bottle, or the person you refer to had to be 17 feet tall.
you see a guy running off, 1.2 seconds after the first shot. not a normal reaction. he was a lookout, told to stop people investigating or going up those steps.
If you go to thedriverkilledkennedyblogspot com on the web. You will see a blow-up of the Nix film which shows the driver Greer with his arms off the steering wheel something not seen in the altered Zapruder film.
Hey, check out the Socrates Johnson video for the song 'Rambler Man', which tells the story of Roger Craig - who saw what he said was Oswald being picked up shortly after the assasination in a Rambler Station wagon.
Part of it is filmed from the old Court House Building and Dealey plaza
Wow! This film has been altered everywhere, just keep your eye on one person "any person" and just watch at the time of impact how everything jumps a couple frames. I'm not a believer of the multiple guns and shooters theory, it all makes sense to me how it all went down. But why would several frames get cut out? I wish Nix would have had the balls to get the film developed that day privately and not let others handle the task.
I dont see how this clip was dismissed by the warren commission its obvious he was shot from the grassy knoll!! If you watch the other Nix clips there is a flash coming from the fence area,soon as the flash goes off thats when Mrs Kennedy reacts from the bullet hitting Kennedy in the right side of his head.I think she was just lucky the bullet didnt hit her.Damn you cant get more evidence than in this film much more the the Zapruder film ,smh!
looks like the driver slowed down to allow clint hill to catch up and cover the president. sadly, this is the dumbest most negligent protocol when fired upon. these moterfuckers looked like they were just winging it instead of relying on training. shots fired, hit the gas, use evasive manuevers, swerve, passenger seat agent should've been diving to the backseat covering the prez, and greer should've slammed. all these guys except hill should've been fired, and made unhireable
it's so obvious--see the top of the car behind the white wall. upon the car is a man with in firing position. he immediately drives away, because in all other photos
taken immediately after this one, he is gone. he is so visible-wake up.
People were running from everywhere that day. Even the motor cops are ducking their heads. If any questions should be asked, its why did the driver almost stop the car? Answer: Because any professional driver will apply the brakes when he turns his attention to the rear with his head turned. This ofcourse made LHO make the all too difficult head shot. Remember he missed the head twice! He almost made it the second shot, but it was a little too low. He was nervous and never trained to lead shots.
@barmtrail After his careful analysis of the film, Dr. Luis Alvarez speculated that the police car behind the limo turned its siren on after the second shot, and the driver slowed from 12 mph to 8 mph as a conditioned reaction.
@cengime How can you speculate that a siren was turned on from a sound-less 8mm super film?
I have to respectfully disagree cengime. I am highly trained in the every defensive driving scenario thought up by man, and i cam tell you that a SS agent carrying the President of the united states would not have applied his brakes because he heard a siren. He would have moved out immediatey. The preseidents car was equipped with a siren. Do you know if Jackie ever commented on the assassination?
@barmtrail Alvarez measured the camera jitter. He identified three big spikes, which he connected with the shots, and a smaller increase. When he discovered some witness testimony saying a siren had come on just after the fatal shot, he thought it would explain the slowdown and the jitter if it had come on before the fatal shot. I think it's a convincing argument. The detailed data is in Alvarez, "A physicist examines the Kennedy assassination film", American Journal of Physics 44, 813 (1976).
Don't know if you ever saw the CBS "The Warren Inquiry" 4 hour special of June 1967. In that, they have Dr. Luis Alvarez on film discussing what you are referring to...except in 1967 he only had still frames of the Zapruder film to use as reference and I guess he did not go into the detail he did later on (eg. sirens).
@barmtrail In her testimony, Jackie said she didn't notice the first shot because there's always so much noise in a motorcade, but then Connally started saying, "Oh, no, no, no." Then she heard "these terrible noises," and when she looked at John, he'd already been shot in the head. She didn't remember climbing up on the back of the car, just sitting there with John in her lap. She described the wound, but didn't say exactly where it was.
@cengime Thank you..I have been unable to find any writings on jackie in regards to the assassination. That makes perfec sense about connally. He as well as JFK were hit from the first shot. I cannot understand why the 2 agents in the car however reacted so slowly to the governors shouts of pain. As far as the noise in the motorcade, that is indeed true, the motors the cops were riding were indeed loud and were known for backfires when driven at such low speeds, their cylinders, "load-up".
@barmtrail Oh, and maybe I should clarify that when I say he analysed "the film," I mean the Zapruder film and not the Nix film. Reading about the Kennedy assassination, you tend to forget that others exist, you know?
@barmtrail "a SS agent carrying the President would not have applied his brakes because he heard a siren"
He heard the sound of a shot. He turned back to see WTF was going on. Anyone who's ever drove a car knows you instinctively apply the brakes or keep foot on brake peddle when looking back behind you.
@auther1046 Those were my exact words for years, he applied the brakes because he looked backward. Thus causing LHO to make the head shot. No conspiracy here. LHO was never trained to lead his shots. He was trained to shoot at a man sized target. When the driver amost stopped the car, this gave LHO the perfect chance to line it up. Otherwise JFK would most likely have not been hit in the head.
@barmtrail how do you account for the 3 shots in 5.6 seconds? this film shows JFK slumping hard to this left and then jackie goes over the back. hard to believe that violent slump was induced by only a back shot....
@bestdayz11 I can explain it to you very easily, first when investigating the JFK shooting, you MUST think outside the box. The very box that so many conspiracy shows and T.V. and radio personalities have put you in. I do not know where you got 5.6. seconds from, that is not the case, it was longer. Everyone in the limo on that day said they heard 3 shots, thats because there was only 3 shots. The presidents head goes forward then backward. There was NO grassy knoll shooter. Thats is stupid.
@barmtrail WC official report is that the first shot is at frame 160 and the headshot at 333. They conclude 5.6 seconds. Perhaps you might want to research and become literate about the topic. You don't even know the official story that your are espousing so adamantly. Greer/Kellerman both said they heard a flurry of shells into the car and were miffed at the 3 shot hypothesis. jackie has never publicly stated anything on it. Connoloy maintaned to his death that there was no magic bullet.
@barmtrail Why do you think 40 % of the American public believe in creationism? Why do you think half of the country thinks the president is a muslim born in kenya? Because they are misinformed, poorly educated, and kept in ignorance by a sensationalistic pop culture media.
@barmtrail How many times have you ever gone hunting? Or better yet, physics dictate that the head would go backwards, which it does when hit from the front. Before JFK gets the two fatal head shots, he was grabbing his neck wound. Just check out the Parkland surgeon's notes, but maybe you are one of the retired SS guys that called off his back bodyguard, or made the route change requested by the Mayor of Dallas, and then check on who the brother-in-law of the mayor was, & his link to Dulles?
@NikolaTeslaJohnGalt What i have hunted you could only dream of searching for. It is clear that you are a Gold Card Conspiracy junkie who believes everything he reads on the internet, or from your conspiracy gurus such as jesse ventura and alex jones. Nothing can be said to the likes of you that would convince you that LHO was the only shooter. Nothing! JFKs head does move forward before going back. Now finish watching your oliver stone movie and take another pill for your hemroids.
Compare this to the Zapruder film. There are people missing in the Zapruder film on the grass between Main & Elm Streets.
In the Zapruder film, as the limo passes by a man & a woman standing with a small boy with another man just feet away, you can see all the way across the grass to Main Street.
Where are the other people? Especially noticeably absent is the lady standing in the foreground at 0:05 - 0:06 in this film. She is definitely standing on the grass between Main & Elm Streets.
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At the very beginning of the film look carefully at the top left to the left, middle of the screen. You can see a muzzle flash. I believe it is unedited and a real muzzle flash because you cannot find any edited muzzle flash that low quality or in the form. JFK's head reacts around the same time. In this video you can see Zapruder, the Badge Man (suspected second bullet shooter) and the black dog man isn't very visible but in a close up you can see him behind the stockade fence.
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Heavens to Murgatroid! Love your sense of humor! One of the funniest comments I've seen here at youtube in a long time! And as you pointed out, it sounds about as plausible as all those other half baked & nutty theories we hear about! After all, if there was some type of "conspiracy" there is no way all the facts could have been kept quiet after 47 years. Someone would have talked! At least you've given me a much needed chuckle! THANKS! :-)
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THE WOMAN & CHILD ARE MISSING ON THE ZAPRUDER FILM.
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See any Orville Nix videos
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See the last 4 people on the grass between Elm and Main? A man & woman nearest the limo on Elm St., and a WOMAN & CHILD near Main St. standing forward of the lamp post shadow?
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Look at the Zapruder films. You can see all the way up to Main St. including that lamp post and its shadow. See individual frames 360 to 380. NO WOMAN & CHILD.
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More proof of Z film re-positions & alterations & airbrushing.
The Nix film might be important in cofirming Bage Man's muzzle flash, as extruded from the Moorman black and white photiograph. In the trees on the grassy knoll there appear to be light flashes in the Nix film. These light flashes are at a different angle from the Moorman Badge Man photograph, but that is only because the two separate images were obviously taken from different positions.
JFLexx, when 2 or more people plan a future event, that is technically a conspiracy.
In his 1036 days as president, Kennedy had made many powerful enemies, which included the CIA, The Federal Reserve & the Mob. Kennedy was tampering with pathways of corruption and power which he likely underestimated.
Sit down sometime and watch Oliver Stone's movie, JFK (the director's cut is best).
There are many who believe that Stone's film is closer to the truth than the government's findings.
Man, Jackie was scrambling "Feet don't fail now!!" She wanted to get out of that car>>No she wasn't trying to get a piece of president's brain..What a contrast with Nellie Connelly, who threw her body over her injured husband>> Jackie, "Get me the hell out here! Well, who could blame her...Jack with all of his womanizing, maybe she was part of the plot??? Warren comission should have investigated!!
The White House, with all its resources and power, couldn't keep the lid on a third rate burglary like Watergate ... and all you geniuses endlessly debate the Kennedy conspiracy. Grow up.
@ZELIG500 so when were you tipped off about the Manhatten Project? When did u figure out that they were gonna put the shah of iran back in power? did u know they were gonna kill the diem brothers? did you know in the late 50s early 60s that the CIA was working with the mafia? nixon didnt need to break into the watergate hotel, he was a shoe in for the 72 election. why dont we ask why he needed 2 break in? why would a tiny break in ruin a pres but the iran contras didnt?
Conspiracy junkies regularly seize on one misunderstanding or discrepancy to defeat 20 pieces of solid evidence; accepts one witness of theirs, even if he is a provable nut, as being far more credible than 10 normal witnesses on the other side; treats rumors, even questions, as the equivalent of proof; leaps from the most minuscule of discoveries to the grandest of conclusions. Watergate was just the tip of a very big iceberg of dirty tricks that helped put Nixon way out in front.
@ZELIG500 ok so what does that conspiracy stuff have 2 do with me? just because theres idiots out there who think JFK was killed by the driver cuz he was going 2 talk about aliens doesnt mean that all conspiracies are bullshit. there was a vast conspiracy 2 kill lincoln and his cabinet. Nixon also resigned due to the secret bombing of cambodia and other stuff but iran contra was bigger. nixon just made it easy and gave them so much evidence. the JFK assassination was a large domestic conspiracy
Right. And after all this time...no one cracked...and the Illuminati killed everyone who could have split the conspiracy case wide open. Except that somehow Oliver Stone lived long enough to make one of the crappiest, most boring self indulgent movies ever...The Doors. Remember "I shouted out who killed the Kennedys when after all it was you and me"? Think about that for a second. Evil men with guns roam the US... you and me. Even Ben Bradlee gave up Deep Throat on his death bed.
@ZELIG500 i said nothing about the illuminati. e. howard hunt watergate burglar, cia officer, fought in the bay of pigs, in nixons "plumbers" confessed on his death bed that LBJ, Cord Meyer, Moralis and other had killed JFK. a Texas grand jury believed mac wallace in his confession that he killed 9 ppl under LBJs orders including his sister and JFK. witnesses were killed and intimidated. they have no evidence on oswald that would hold up in court. ppl have talked about dallas it wasnt 1 dumbass
Ya. Maybe. If LBJ was behind it though...he paid for it...in a botched presidency. So Hunt named Sturgis as one of the participants in "The Big Event", which Hunt's son claims to be the code name for the assassination. What he doesn't mention in the "confession" is Kennedy, Oswald, Dallas, or the assassination. Talk about not standing up in court. This is classic cherry picking. Deliberately selecting only the material that supports the theory and ignoring that which doesn't.
@ZELIG500 At 0:04 you see the street light in front of Nix. At 0:06, explain the missing woman & her child near Main St. on the Z film.
On both films you see the guy on the lawn sitting down. After that comes the parents with child. On the wide shot Z film you can see to Main St. between the parents & child, but no woman & child back there. Missing people on the altered Z film.
Besides, there is proof the FBI changed witnesses statements to say they did not see or hear what they said.
One need only review what was found as evidence in just the first 3 hours to be convinced that the DPD had their man. The proof is overwhelming. He wasn't even a suspect in the JFK killing when they brought him in. If LHO hadn't killed Tippet they Still would have got him for JFK.
Anyone who thinks a Court wouldn't convict LHO has been listening to too many people who have some stupid Grand Conspiracy axe to grind. Freakin ridiculous.
@10Feanor so when dpd police chief jesse curry says we have NOTHING that puts oswald in the 6th floor it means what? when the dallas drs say he was shot from the front also means nothing. yeah in court he prob would be convicted but say this wasnt an american president killed oswald would walk and u know it
Pat, I don't know where you got yer info. Oswald's prints were on the stacked window-boxes & they were on the rifle he bought in March. The 3 shell casings were from his ammo-box. The fibers from the blanket with which he originally wrapped the Carcano were found in the paper he snuck the rifle into work with & the blanket came from Ruth Paine's garage. The bullets recovered were from his rifle & he's the only 1 who fled the scene. He left his wedding ring & money with Marina the night before.
@10Feanor You plan to shoot the President of the United States so you: a. use your own weapon; b. leave your fingerprints all over it; c. pick your own place of employment to do the deed; d. leave bullet shells lined neatly in a row; e. run home; f. and hide in a theater???? No. LHO was almost certainly involved. Was aware. Was a conspirator. But LHO alone didn't get off 10 shots with that weapon. The "final" two came bang-bang, less than a second or two apart. Not from one gun. No way.
@10Feanor You plan to shoot the President of the United States so you: a. use your own weapon; b. leave your fingerprints all over it; c. pick your own place of employment to do the deed; d. leave bullet shells lined neatly in a row; e. run home; f. and hide in a theater??? No. LHO was almost certainly involved. Was aware. Was a conspirator. But LHO alone didn't get off 10 shots with that weapon. The "final" two came bang-bang, less than a second or two apart. Not from one gun. No way.
@10Feanor Shots: #1 - Miss. As limo entered Elm. Little girl running suddenly stops and looks back. #2 - Miss. Stemmon sign. Hole. #3 - Hit. JFK throat. #4 - Hit. JFK back. #5 - Hit. JFK back (different caliber). #6 - Hit. Connally back. #7 - Miss. Curb under overpass. #8 - Miss. Hole in windshield frame. #9 - Miss. Bullet in ground south lawn of Elm at point of head shot. #10 - Hit. JFK head. Evidence of each can be found in videos on YouTube.
Fact: Miss Willis turned back because her father called for her not to run too far. She stopped only because her mother joined the tirade.
Fact: The hole in the Freeway sign was made before 22/11/63.
The curb-hit by the Overpass (spraying James Teague's face) was from the1st shot, deflected by a tree branch. The remaining 2 shots were probably made by iron-sight.
Photos of DPO Foster show he found nothing at the storm drain.
Seriously ... U-Toob as a source-reference? Are you kidding me?
If you don't want to accept the video evidence of a police officer digging up a bullet from the south lawn off Elm across from the head shot, putting it in his pocket, and WITNESSED by a woman who also gives video testimony, then fine.
If you watch JFK closely when the little girl stops running you'll see him react to the missed shot. He immediately stops waiving and his right hand balls into a fist.
Yes. Several witnesses at Parklawn reported a bullet hole thru windscreen plus one in the upper window frame (on the inside). Pictures taken of the limo in Houston just the day before (Nov 21) show no such damage.
Press conference following surgery on Gov Connally. Surgeon said Connally doing well but still had a bullet lodged in his left thigh that would be operated on later as it was not immediately life threatening.
Warren Commission -
#1 - Miss.
#2 - JFK throat / Connally back (the magic bullet).
#3 - JFK head.
If it was the magic bullet that was still in Connally's left thigh following surgery, then what was the pristine bullet found on Connally's hospital gurney "proved" to be LHO's?
There really isn't anything "Magic" about this bullet. Firstly, it's certainly not "Pristine", as any latter-day Conspiracist will readily admit. The picture you're no doubt looking at is the profile pic that shows CE 399 only slightly bent. But look at the end-shot. It's deformed & w/parts missing.
The only bones this bullet struck was JBC's 5th rib (a glance) & his right wrist. By that time it wasn't going very fast.
The rifling is from LHO's Carcano, as is the Antimony.
If shot from the front why is there a little 6mm hole in the back of his head while the entire side and front of his right-skull was explosively ejected?
If shot from the front, why does his head bob forward on impact?
How did Dr's know where the bullet came from? They never looked at the back of his head.
There's no place for a front-shooter to fire from without being seen by many.
So anyway, Pat ... tell us when Jesse Curry made his remarks about LHO & the 2nd Shooter.
Was it on, say, 23 or 24 Nov 63?
No.
Was it during the WC hearings in Feb & May 64?
No.
Was it during that Garrison fiasco of 69?
No.
Or was it in the fall of 1977, 14 years later, when he was no longer with the DPD, & getting paid by a then-famous Conspiracy Theorist to say it on film? Was the film made during the HSCA hearings in DC?
D'uh ... I know that...they were two separate thoughts. Oliver Stone's bullshit movie was one thought. We are all culpable for the violent society we live in... was the second thought. Youtube doesn't allow a lot of space for expository dialogue.
One of the things I've always hated about U-Toob Forums is the 500-word responses. I'm a big yakker! I Need More Space!
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I liked what you said about "Nobody Talking". That's been one of my soap-boxes for a long time. Almost 50 years on and no mistress reports pillow talk, no bartender tells of an old drunk with a whispered tale, no old drunk squeals, no death-bed confessions ...
People like to tell secrets. That's why they're Secret!
you can see a bit more from the beginning of this video on, " Did the limo slow down". Although I am a firm believer in a shot fired from the front, I can't see anything on the grassy knoll.
compare the photos of the tall guy of the three tramps (the one some thought was Woody Harrelson's father) to the photos of umbrella man. there is a resemblance in both appearance and clothing.
The 3 tramps disappeared for years & no record of their arrests until the HSCA formed. Then they showed up & arrest records too, just in time to thwart a serious investigation. We aren't suspicious tho, are we??
i agree, the film starts just when the fatal shot was fired, a fraction of a second after. a pity the film is not longer at the beginning. it would probably proof or disproof if the limo really came to a complete stop.
The Harrleson guy (one of the tramps) wa not Harrleson, those 3 tramps have been found just recently and identified as real bums.
just look at this film.watch closely the moment of impact.its so fast.watch it over and over and over.you can see a trail of where it comes from.can anyone else see it?
Have watcheed it and don't see it. The shots have already been fired at the very start of this footage. What you see is the aftermath. The trails that you see are due to the quality of the film. No one is on the grassy knoll either.
check out website "the sixth floor museem".it has a much better quality nix film.there you will be able to see it.its a pity its not done in slow motion.zapruder film was done in slow motion.why not nix film?try that website anyway.you might be suprized
you don't see someone behind the white wall on the grassy knoll? I do. Look at Zapruder standing on the wall, then to the left on film someone is there.
No. Don't see anyone other than shadows. Shots were from behind - classic sniper tactic (re: Vimy Ridge in WW1 where Indian-American sniper successfully used this hunting tactic against the Germans) - even though Oswald had opportunity to shoot Kennedy from the front.
the us government is still being controlled by these people.they protect terrorists like luis posada carriles who blew up a cuban airline killing innocent people.he is now in america being and was being protected by george bush's administration.he has information that would destroy them.thats why he is being looked after.he was present in dealey plaza and is a world class sniper.
sorry charles harrleson!why dont you post your slow motion orville nix fil dallasdeck?show us it.if oswald fired that day,how come the dallas police did a test on his hands and cheeks to see if he fired a weapon and it came back negative!!explain that.and if oswald was the only one to fire,you are agreeing with the magic bullet thoery??are you???a bullet that hit kennedy near the shoulder blade,went back upwards out of his throat the back down to hit connolly?think about it ......
chales harrelson was caught.he was one of the 3 tramps arrested in a sealed train,then released without charge.he is now in prison for assassinating a highcourt judge with a high powered rifle.he is woody harrelson's dad(the actor).
dallasdeck,i didnt say he had 2 films you idiot,i meant there is another shot of the same film on youtube.his hardly going to be standing there with 2 cameras!!check out "the day the dream died"thats good.if you watch the film really closely,you can see the trail of the fatal bullet.its very fast and coming from behind the picket fence.
I believe the limo slowed down. Maybe the driver slowed to look back at the Govenor and The President. His slowing of the car gave the shooter (s) an easier job at shooting President Kennedy.
I think the limo driver should have been questioned and had the spotlight put on him. With all the secret service and police behind the limo, they had to notice to slowing of the limo...the secret service member was able to run up and jump on the car, that's slow!
Zapruder was further back, up on a pedestal. No, the car did not stop. I have been reading about, researching and writing about the Kennedy assassination for over 25 years, and I have come to the conclusion that Oswald acted alone. He was the lone gunman. There just is no decent evidence that any other shots were fired.
I have a copy of this film, digitized and cleaned up, there is no bullet coming "from the bushes", Leinadfar, no. Maybe there was a conspiracy, but only Oswald fired that day.
Clint Hill was able to jump on it, because the entire procession was moving rather slowly. They had been moving slowly during the entire trip through downtown. Check the other footage, you'll see that they were moving at a snail's pace. That was the point, to hook up with voters, to shore up his support in the South.
If you watch, Clint Hill is *running* and running fast to get on the back.
It does not show any "assassin". What you are referring to is the so-called "Badge Man" from the Moorman photo. In point-of-fact this was a complete fabrication by Jack White et. al. I have seen a hi-res photo of the Moorman shot and I can tell you, there IS no man there with a gun.
Many photo experts have examined the photo and proven that the man wasn't there. It is a complete fabrication, pure and simple.
there is another orville nix video.if you watch closely,you can see the trail of the fatal bullet coming from the bushes.if you could use slow motion on this footage,it would be clear.
No, there is not "another Orville Nix video". For one, it is no "video" it is 8mm film. For another, there is only one film taken by Orville Nix of the assassination. Only one. Sorry, you're wrong.
also when they brang the car to the hospital 1 of the agents got a bucket and a sponge and started cleaning the inside of the car so it had to be an inside job think of all the other things like the car stopping
The poster of this clip has intentionally sped up the film in the last half to exadurate the speed before and after the head shot. Look at the feet of the agent climbing onto the limo trunk. This is bogus!
Still... something familiar about the agent hopping on the back of the lim... The Rocketeer pushing the pick up with his rocket pack! That was also undercranked.
OK, I just realized something! I think I now see how the edited video theory is true. In the Zapruder film, you see a sign covering up a lot of the action going on. But clearly at this angle, there is no sign present in fron of Zapruder anywhere that can be seen. Has anybody else noticed this?
I'm not the technical guy. But is it possible to show this film in 'ultra' slow, slow motion. Anyone? I saw a documentary with an analysed film, 3 - 1 mtr in diameter round circles at the fence in the shadow, right (like gunsmoke). I saw that documentary about 10 years ago (of experts analyzed film), and I have never seen it since then. Is it on youtube?
This person is one of the three spectators who can be seen in Muchmore film, second part. They are looking the comitive in the ladder to the Grassy knoll.
People who say "no conspiracy" in the Nov. 22, 1963 assassination of JFK, would be wrong. The vice-president to John Kennedy, Lyndon Baines Johnson, did participate with some members of US government agencies to assassination another head of state.
This assassination took place in the same month and year of 1963, just before the planned JFK assassination.
See the YouTube video: ?v=DeNv_62v6WQ
Listen to LBJ, the VP of the US, talk about his assassination involvement with his own voice.
DPD James Chaney(1 of 4 Presidential motorcyclists) stated the limousine stopped momentarily after the first shot. "...at the time, after the shooting, from the time the first shot rang out, the car stopped completely, pulled to the left and stopped. Several officers said it stopped completely." [2 H 44-45 (Lane), refering to Chaney's statement as reported in the "Houston Chronicle" dated 11/24/63; 3 H 266 (Baker)
No, the motorcycle was breaking because the guy on the motorcycle was splattered with JFK's brain. Haven't you read any of the reports? Besides, the car wasn't stopped, because the car was moving. I'm not sure what your definition of a stopped car is, but a moving car isn't a stopped car. Perhaps you need your breaks checked?
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fuck the new youtube. change it back. everybody post this on every video you watch from now on.
GianTheMan91 50 minutes ago
#1 hit the car
#2 hit the car
#3 hit his arm
#4 hit his head
daaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
kiddownstreet4 2 weeks ago
where else could you get a murder in broad daylight , thousands of on lookers, a VIP, no press cameras , a security stand down, a lone assassin with one of the worst imaginable sniper rifles...with ties to the CIA , and no trial ....wait let me think ...durh !
USA can you sort your shit out please. It would have been laughable if this had happened in darkest Africa ! (Dont look hard at 911 it will seem like Deja Vu !)
klnine 3 weeks ago
That's it, i'm pullin the plug. You can become consumed with this shit.
tysonfor1 3 weeks ago
also in the Nix film above there is no sign of Gordon Arnold...there is a sign of a person on the grassy knoll in a shooting position and that head shot came from that person..no way LHO was able to shoot him in the side of his head but he was involed just like the CIA was also
cwc27 1 month ago
the shooter's just out of the video-shot(pic')...
homefryable 4 months ago
This Evil LBJ statement WE believe refers to the murder of JFK
"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"
YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv
LBJ joke about JFK
"I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"
cruisersism 5 months ago
@cruisersism ahh..when did LBJ say that?? The only place I find that quote about JFK going to the morgue is on YOUR Posts!!!
jseph1234567890 2 months ago
@jseph1234567890 It was one of many evil sayings coming from the foul evil mouth of the mass murderer.
cruisersism 2 months ago
@cruisersism I just want to know when and where he said so I can view it for myself..thanks :D
jseph1234567890 2 months ago
If you look at how Jackie O puts her face directly in front of JFK's right before the head shot I don't see how she does'nt get it if the shot comes from behind. That shot came from either The Grassy Knoll or that storm drain. IMO .That throat shot was from behind probably though.
DrHogfan 7 months ago
at 0:02 look directly up from kennedy and you see the retaining wall. see the badge man in firing position right where the wall rises up a foot? DUDE IS SITTING ON A 4X4 VEHICLE PASSENGER WINDOW WITH HIS FEET INSIDE THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE IS BACKED IN TO POSITION THERE. CLEAR AS DAY. HE TAKES HIS SHOT AND THEN SLIPS BACK INTO THE VEHICLE AND OFF THRU THE GAP IN THE FENCES INTO THE PARKING LOT AND GONE.
check out all other video/pictures of that portion of the wall.
THE VEHICLE SHAPE IS GONE.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 7 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
A: There were no gaps in the fence in 1963.
B: There were no 4x4's in 1963
C: The so-called 'Badgeman' is a coke bottle on the end of the retaining wall. It's seen in 30 other pictures taken in the next 5 minutes.
D: From the position at the fence where this man was alleged to be, the squared end of the white retaining wall would prevent a line-of-sight to JFK's head at the time it was struck. Go there, stand in the middle of the road and look up at it.
E: No Badgeman.
10Feanor 6 months ago
@10Feanor
A. bullshit. i've seen the pictures. you could drive a car thru it. it was never intended to be closed off.
B. once again, bullshit.
C. a coke bottle????? you have coke bottle glasses i bet.
D. badge man is not behind the fence moron, he's in front of the fence behind the wall sitting on the open car window.
photos taken after the shooting show the car and the man gone.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@Liquor
Are you referring to the parking lot causeway behind the Bryan Pergola? It opens from Elm & Houston & goes back to the train-yard. Another entrance is over the triple underpass. (I thought you said 'break in the fence')
B. The only 4x4 available to the general public in 1963 was the Willy's Jeep. Very easy to spot.
C. From the POV of Moorman's Polaroid the view of the fence intersects the top of the white retaining wall.
D. I didn't call you a moron. Why are you calling me one?
10Feanor 6 months ago
@10Feanor go to --> spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgrassyN.htm
A. Scroll down to photo captioned "Grassy Knoll in Dallas". Let's see YOUR evidence.
C. if it was a coke bottle, it would have had to been the world's largest coke bottle.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
"Server Not Found"
(I have no doubt that the page exists, but U-Toob doesn't like us posting URL's)
Now, I'm not really sure of what exactly you're referring to, but, as I suspect, it's Mary Moorman's Polaroid picture on which you base this 'Badgeman' thing, I can assure you that this has been thoroughly explored for years. The smudge on the top of the white wall is either the Coke Bottle, or the person you refer to had to be 17 feet tall.
It's simple geometry.
10Feanor 6 months ago
@10Feanor
just copy the link and then correct a few characters to match what i wrote. it will come up.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
Who killed JFK: The Mafia.
Was Oswald a shooter: No, he was framed.
2 gunmen: Yes.
Who covered it up: The CIA
Did the secret service know: Yes.
SpadaccinoLuciano 7 months ago
you see a guy running off, 1.2 seconds after the first shot. not a normal reaction. he was a lookout, told to stop people investigating or going up those steps.
plumbingandrains 9 months ago
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CIA op, all the way. Who fired the gun(s) is almost irrelevant.
LongLiveOx 10 months ago
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If you go to thedriverkilledkennedyblogspot com on the web. You will see a blow-up of the Nix film which shows the driver Greer with his arms off the steering wheel something not seen in the altered Zapruder film.
hal2526 10 months ago
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Hey, check out the Socrates Johnson video for the song 'Rambler Man', which tells the story of Roger Craig - who saw what he said was Oswald being picked up shortly after the assasination in a Rambler Station wagon.
Part of it is filmed from the old Court House Building and Dealey plaza
PTroubadour 11 months ago
Wow! This film has been altered everywhere, just keep your eye on one person "any person" and just watch at the time of impact how everything jumps a couple frames. I'm not a believer of the multiple guns and shooters theory, it all makes sense to me how it all went down. But why would several frames get cut out? I wish Nix would have had the balls to get the film developed that day privately and not let others handle the task.
wetodedid 11 months ago
Pause at 00:1 and 00:2 you can sorta see a figure to be holding a longrange rifle and moving with the motion of the limo. Badgeman?.
easypeesylemonsquezy 11 months ago
I dont see how this clip was dismissed by the warren commission its obvious he was shot from the grassy knoll!! If you watch the other Nix clips there is a flash coming from the fence area,soon as the flash goes off thats when Mrs Kennedy reacts from the bullet hitting Kennedy in the right side of his head.I think she was just lucky the bullet didnt hit her.Damn you cant get more evidence than in this film much more the the Zapruder film ,smh!
bobbyz23 1 year ago
looks like the driver slowed down to allow clint hill to catch up and cover the president. sadly, this is the dumbest most negligent protocol when fired upon. these moterfuckers looked like they were just winging it instead of relying on training. shots fired, hit the gas, use evasive manuevers, swerve, passenger seat agent should've been diving to the backseat covering the prez, and greer should've slammed. all these guys except hill should've been fired, and made unhireable
bestdayz11 1 year ago
People claim this video is fake lol.
ChristianHolloway7 1 year ago
it's so obvious--see the top of the car behind the white wall. upon the car is a man with in firing position. he immediately drives away, because in all other photos
taken immediately after this one, he is gone. he is so visible-wake up.
ddarkshark 1 year ago
People were running from everywhere that day. Even the motor cops are ducking their heads. If any questions should be asked, its why did the driver almost stop the car? Answer: Because any professional driver will apply the brakes when he turns his attention to the rear with his head turned. This ofcourse made LHO make the all too difficult head shot. Remember he missed the head twice! He almost made it the second shot, but it was a little too low. He was nervous and never trained to lead shots.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail After his careful analysis of the film, Dr. Luis Alvarez speculated that the police car behind the limo turned its siren on after the second shot, and the driver slowed from 12 mph to 8 mph as a conditioned reaction.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime How can you speculate that a siren was turned on from a sound-less 8mm super film?
I have to respectfully disagree cengime. I am highly trained in the every defensive driving scenario thought up by man, and i cam tell you that a SS agent carrying the President of the united states would not have applied his brakes because he heard a siren. He would have moved out immediatey. The preseidents car was equipped with a siren. Do you know if Jackie ever commented on the assassination?
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail Alvarez measured the camera jitter. He identified three big spikes, which he connected with the shots, and a smaller increase. When he discovered some witness testimony saying a siren had come on just after the fatal shot, he thought it would explain the slowdown and the jitter if it had come on before the fatal shot. I think it's a convincing argument. The detailed data is in Alvarez, "A physicist examines the Kennedy assassination film", American Journal of Physics 44, 813 (1976).
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime
Don't know if you ever saw the CBS "The Warren Inquiry" 4 hour special of June 1967. In that, they have Dr. Luis Alvarez on film discussing what you are referring to...except in 1967 he only had still frames of the Zapruder film to use as reference and I guess he did not go into the detail he did later on (eg. sirens).
pajasa62 1 year ago
@barmtrail In her testimony, Jackie said she didn't notice the first shot because there's always so much noise in a motorcade, but then Connally started saying, "Oh, no, no, no." Then she heard "these terrible noises," and when she looked at John, he'd already been shot in the head. She didn't remember climbing up on the back of the car, just sitting there with John in her lap. She described the wound, but didn't say exactly where it was.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Thank you..I have been unable to find any writings on jackie in regards to the assassination. That makes perfec sense about connally. He as well as JFK were hit from the first shot. I cannot understand why the 2 agents in the car however reacted so slowly to the governors shouts of pain. As far as the noise in the motorcade, that is indeed true, the motors the cops were riding were indeed loud and were known for backfires when driven at such low speeds, their cylinders, "load-up".
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail Oh, and maybe I should clarify that when I say he analysed "the film," I mean the Zapruder film and not the Nix film. Reading about the Kennedy assassination, you tend to forget that others exist, you know?
cengime 1 year ago
@barmtrail "a SS agent carrying the President would not have applied his brakes because he heard a siren"
He heard the sound of a shot. He turned back to see WTF was going on. Anyone who's ever drove a car knows you instinctively apply the brakes or keep foot on brake peddle when looking back behind you.
auther1046 1 year ago
@auther1046 Those were my exact words for years, he applied the brakes because he looked backward. Thus causing LHO to make the head shot. No conspiracy here. LHO was never trained to lead his shots. He was trained to shoot at a man sized target. When the driver amost stopped the car, this gave LHO the perfect chance to line it up. Otherwise JFK would most likely have not been hit in the head.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail how do you account for the 3 shots in 5.6 seconds? this film shows JFK slumping hard to this left and then jackie goes over the back. hard to believe that violent slump was induced by only a back shot....
bestdayz11 1 year ago
@bestdayz11 I can explain it to you very easily, first when investigating the JFK shooting, you MUST think outside the box. The very box that so many conspiracy shows and T.V. and radio personalities have put you in. I do not know where you got 5.6. seconds from, that is not the case, it was longer. Everyone in the limo on that day said they heard 3 shots, thats because there was only 3 shots. The presidents head goes forward then backward. There was NO grassy knoll shooter. Thats is stupid.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail WC official report is that the first shot is at frame 160 and the headshot at 333. They conclude 5.6 seconds. Perhaps you might want to research and become literate about the topic. You don't even know the official story that your are espousing so adamantly. Greer/Kellerman both said they heard a flurry of shells into the car and were miffed at the 3 shot hypothesis. jackie has never publicly stated anything on it. Connoloy maintaned to his death that there was no magic bullet.
bestdayz11 1 year ago
@bestdayz11 3 shots fired from SBD by LHO. Why do you think this story has gone on for over 45 years? Gold Club Conspiracy Members.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail Why do you think 40 % of the American public believe in creationism? Why do you think half of the country thinks the president is a muslim born in kenya? Because they are misinformed, poorly educated, and kept in ignorance by a sensationalistic pop culture media.
bestdayz11 1 year ago
@barmtrail How many times have you ever gone hunting? Or better yet, physics dictate that the head would go backwards, which it does when hit from the front. Before JFK gets the two fatal head shots, he was grabbing his neck wound. Just check out the Parkland surgeon's notes, but maybe you are one of the retired SS guys that called off his back bodyguard, or made the route change requested by the Mayor of Dallas, and then check on who the brother-in-law of the mayor was, & his link to Dulles?
NikolaTeslaJohnGalt 10 months ago
@NikolaTeslaJohnGalt What i have hunted you could only dream of searching for. It is clear that you are a Gold Card Conspiracy junkie who believes everything he reads on the internet, or from your conspiracy gurus such as jesse ventura and alex jones. Nothing can be said to the likes of you that would convince you that LHO was the only shooter. Nothing! JFKs head does move forward before going back. Now finish watching your oliver stone movie and take another pill for your hemroids.
barmtrail 10 months ago
Compare this to the Zapruder film. There are people missing in the Zapruder film on the grass between Main & Elm Streets.
In the Zapruder film, as the limo passes by a man & a woman standing with a small boy with another man just feet away, you can see all the way across the grass to Main Street.
Where are the other people? Especially noticeably absent is the lady standing in the foreground at 0:05 - 0:06 in this film. She is definitely standing on the grass between Main & Elm Streets.
jelinto 1 year ago
0:03 someone running up the stairs on the grassy knoll just to the left of the little concrete wall ... to chase the grassy knoll gunman?
New987user 1 year ago
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You gotta da olivea oila I senta youa? .Youa momma
Mobilecheese 1 year ago
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Mobilecheese 1 year ago
At the very beginning of the film look carefully at the top left to the left, middle of the screen. You can see a muzzle flash. I believe it is unedited and a real muzzle flash because you cannot find any edited muzzle flash that low quality or in the form. JFK's head reacts around the same time. In this video you can see Zapruder, the Badge Man (suspected second bullet shooter) and the black dog man isn't very visible but in a close up you can see him behind the stockade fence.
LeGiiTNaTioN 1 year ago
@LeGiiTNaTioN look to the right side of the screen and you'll see a corresponding "lightning bolt" because its the film. Not a muzzle flash.
toboganbottom 1 year ago
@VinnyCooCooClock Thats good news for you!!
You should immediately contact the next german embassy. Prepare a complete documentation of everything your uncle had done for his german fatherland. Hand it over together with a written request to recieve a compensation for the money (including pension) your uncle may have earned, beginning with him being killed in action till his statistical death.
The widow of Volksgerichtshof judge Freisler, +1945, succesfully sued the FRG for a higher pension.
wwwtotalitaerde 1 year ago
I think Dick Cheney did it with a slingshot. There. Now I sound as nuts as the rest of you.
robinator57 1 year ago
@robinator57
Heavens to Murgatroid! Love your sense of humor! One of the funniest comments I've seen here at youtube in a long time! And as you pointed out, it sounds about as plausible as all those other half baked & nutty theories we hear about! After all, if there was some type of "conspiracy" there is no way all the facts could have been kept quiet after 47 years. Someone would have talked! At least you've given me a much needed chuckle! THANKS! :-)
JubalCalif 1 year ago
On july 11th 2009 my brother Markus Bott was assassinated after having been tortured during five and a half year by the german Bundesnachrichtendienst which was known before as the Gestapo. The Bundesnachrichtendienst today uses the secret weapons developed during the Third Reich for brainwashing and torture. Some description of these techniques is given on my youtube channel as well.
Martin Bott
wwwtotalitaerde 1 year ago
Warren Report: Vol. II, Page 75
Testimony of Roy Kellerman, SS Agent, front-right seat, JFK limo.
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Mr. Specter: "Now, did President Kennedy say anything beside, "My God, I am hit".?
Kellerman: "That is the last words he said, sir".
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This confirms JFK was shot BEFORE the throat and head shots. Otherwise, he could not speak those last 5 words of his life.
usefulstuf 1 year ago
@usefulstuf
JFK was probably hit by a ricochet fragment from a miss. Kellerman testified that JFK spoke these words after the first loud crack that he heard.
998robk 1 year ago
THE WOMAN & CHILD ARE MISSING ON THE ZAPRUDER FILM.
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See any Orville Nix videos
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See the last 4 people on the grass between Elm and Main? A man & woman nearest the limo on Elm St., and a WOMAN & CHILD near Main St. standing forward of the lamp post shadow?
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Look at the Zapruder films. You can see all the way up to Main St. including that lamp post and its shadow. See individual frames 360 to 380. NO WOMAN & CHILD.
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More proof of Z film re-positions & alterations & airbrushing.
grassyknollkiller 1 year ago
The Nix film might be important in cofirming Bage Man's muzzle flash, as extruded from the Moorman black and white photiograph. In the trees on the grassy knoll there appear to be light flashes in the Nix film. These light flashes are at a different angle from the Moorman Badge Man photograph, but that is only because the two separate images were obviously taken from different positions.
Richardhedditch261 2 years ago
It certainly seems as if this film has been tampered with, using 1960s technology.
selatik1 2 years ago
Several dozen witnesses were recorded as saying the limo stopped momentarily.
Witnesses included cops and a female news reporter. Her statement video is on youtube.
This film does not show it. Orville Nix is also on video saying there were missing frames.
The Z film is obviously fraud. One frame pic has the people and a light
pole behind them. The shadows of the people and light pole go in different directions.
Like we stand next to each other and our shadows go in different directions.
cdddraftman 2 years ago
Youtube search, JFK Assassin caught on Camera which shows the original unedited version.
selatik1 2 years ago
ok so is this a conspiracy or what?
JFLexxL2 2 years ago
JFLexx, when 2 or more people plan a future event, that is technically a conspiracy.
In his 1036 days as president, Kennedy had made many powerful enemies, which included the CIA, The Federal Reserve & the Mob. Kennedy was tampering with pathways of corruption and power which he likely underestimated.
Sit down sometime and watch Oliver Stone's movie, JFK (the director's cut is best).
There are many who believe that Stone's film is closer to the truth than the government's findings.
selatik1 2 years ago
You can also read Jim Garrison's book, "On the Trail of the Assassins".
Garrison, the New Orleans District Attorney in the 1960s, is best known for his investigations into the assassination of JFK.
Garrison appears in the JFK movie, playing the role of Chief Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren, who visits Jack Ruby in jail.
Learn about this historic, tragic event in American history; discuss it with your friends. It's important that the truth be told.
Fiat justitia, ruat caelum!
selatik1 2 years ago
there wasent a crowd like i thought
madcat0479 2 years ago
I can't clearly see what's happening because it's blocked out with a pop-up tht says ENTER YOUR TEXT HERE. !!!!!!! Thanks for nothing.
billyguns2 2 years ago 10
Man, Jackie was scrambling "Feet don't fail now!!" She wanted to get out of that car>>No she wasn't trying to get a piece of president's brain..What a contrast with Nellie Connelly, who threw her body over her injured husband>> Jackie, "Get me the hell out here! Well, who could blame her...Jack with all of his womanizing, maybe she was part of the plot??? Warren comission should have investigated!!
steveforsane 2 years ago
Has your family been investigated, for being morons?
This world needs less morons.
cdddraftman 2 years ago
The only thing that keeps me wondering is why both brothers????
autofitz77 2 years ago
The White House, with all its resources and power, couldn't keep the lid on a third rate burglary like Watergate ... and all you geniuses endlessly debate the Kennedy conspiracy. Grow up.
ZELIG500 2 years ago
@ZELIG500 so when were you tipped off about the Manhatten Project? When did u figure out that they were gonna put the shah of iran back in power? did u know they were gonna kill the diem brothers? did you know in the late 50s early 60s that the CIA was working with the mafia? nixon didnt need to break into the watergate hotel, he was a shoe in for the 72 election. why dont we ask why he needed 2 break in? why would a tiny break in ruin a pres but the iran contras didnt?
pat442389 7 months ago
@pat442389
Conspiracy junkies regularly seize on one misunderstanding or discrepancy to defeat 20 pieces of solid evidence; accepts one witness of theirs, even if he is a provable nut, as being far more credible than 10 normal witnesses on the other side; treats rumors, even questions, as the equivalent of proof; leaps from the most minuscule of discoveries to the grandest of conclusions. Watergate was just the tip of a very big iceberg of dirty tricks that helped put Nixon way out in front.
ZELIG500 7 months ago
@ZELIG500 ok so what does that conspiracy stuff have 2 do with me? just because theres idiots out there who think JFK was killed by the driver cuz he was going 2 talk about aliens doesnt mean that all conspiracies are bullshit. there was a vast conspiracy 2 kill lincoln and his cabinet. Nixon also resigned due to the secret bombing of cambodia and other stuff but iran contra was bigger. nixon just made it easy and gave them so much evidence. the JFK assassination was a large domestic conspiracy
pat442389 7 months ago
@pat442389
Right. And after all this time...no one cracked...and the Illuminati killed everyone who could have split the conspiracy case wide open. Except that somehow Oliver Stone lived long enough to make one of the crappiest, most boring self indulgent movies ever...The Doors. Remember "I shouted out who killed the Kennedys when after all it was you and me"? Think about that for a second. Evil men with guns roam the US... you and me. Even Ben Bradlee gave up Deep Throat on his death bed.
ZELIG500 7 months ago
@ZELIG500 i said nothing about the illuminati. e. howard hunt watergate burglar, cia officer, fought in the bay of pigs, in nixons "plumbers" confessed on his death bed that LBJ, Cord Meyer, Moralis and other had killed JFK. a Texas grand jury believed mac wallace in his confession that he killed 9 ppl under LBJs orders including his sister and JFK. witnesses were killed and intimidated. they have no evidence on oswald that would hold up in court. ppl have talked about dallas it wasnt 1 dumbass
pat442389 7 months ago
@pat442389
Ya. Maybe. If LBJ was behind it though...he paid for it...in a botched presidency. So Hunt named Sturgis as one of the participants in "The Big Event", which Hunt's son claims to be the code name for the assassination. What he doesn't mention in the "confession" is Kennedy, Oswald, Dallas, or the assassination. Talk about not standing up in court. This is classic cherry picking. Deliberately selecting only the material that supports the theory and ignoring that which doesn't.
ZELIG500 7 months ago
@ZELIG500 At 0:04 you see the street light in front of Nix. At 0:06, explain the missing woman & her child near Main St. on the Z film.
On both films you see the guy on the lawn sitting down. After that comes the parents with child. On the wide shot Z film you can see to Main St. between the parents & child, but no woman & child back there. Missing people on the altered Z film.
Besides, there is proof the FBI changed witnesses statements to say they did not see or hear what they said.
jacobji5 6 months ago
@pat442389
One need only review what was found as evidence in just the first 3 hours to be convinced that the DPD had their man. The proof is overwhelming. He wasn't even a suspect in the JFK killing when they brought him in. If LHO hadn't killed Tippet they Still would have got him for JFK.
Anyone who thinks a Court wouldn't convict LHO has been listening to too many people who have some stupid Grand Conspiracy axe to grind. Freakin ridiculous.
You seriously wanna talk JFK murder?
Contact me.
10Feanor 6 months ago
@10Feanor so when dpd police chief jesse curry says we have NOTHING that puts oswald in the 6th floor it means what? when the dallas drs say he was shot from the front also means nothing. yeah in court he prob would be convicted but say this wasnt an american president killed oswald would walk and u know it
pat442389 6 months ago
Pat, I don't know where you got yer info. Oswald's prints were on the stacked window-boxes & they were on the rifle he bought in March. The 3 shell casings were from his ammo-box. The fibers from the blanket with which he originally wrapped the Carcano were found in the paper he snuck the rifle into work with & the blanket came from Ruth Paine's garage. The bullets recovered were from his rifle & he's the only 1 who fled the scene. He left his wedding ring & money with Marina the night before.
10Feanor 6 months ago
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
Fact: Miss Willis turned back because her father called for her not to run too far. She stopped only because her mother joined the tirade.
Fact: The hole in the Freeway sign was made before 22/11/63.
The curb-hit by the Overpass (spraying James Teague's face) was from the1st shot, deflected by a tree branch. The remaining 2 shots were probably made by iron-sight.
Photos of DPO Foster show he found nothing at the storm drain.
Seriously ... U-Toob as a source-reference? Are you kidding me?
10Feanor 6 months ago
@10Feanor
If you don't want to accept the video evidence of a police officer digging up a bullet from the south lawn off Elm across from the head shot, putting it in his pocket, and WITNESSED by a woman who also gives video testimony, then fine.
If you watch JFK closely when the little girl stops running you'll see him react to the missed shot. He immediately stops waiving and his right hand balls into a fist.
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LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
I just detailed for you at least FOUR bullets. You conveniently ignore that. Why? You claim only 3.
#1 - curb miss.
#2 - JFK back, throat / Connolly back (magic bullet).
#3 - JFK head.
WC claims pristine bullet found on Connally's hospital gurney was the magic bullet.
Fine. Ridiculous, but fine.
#4 - What about THIS bullet then (mentioned at the 5 minute mark of the following video - watch?v=-a2iLZLjhCM)?
That makes FOUR.
Oops.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
@LiquorWreckedEmGood FWIW, I think i can see a bullet hit the windscreen in the Zapruda video. But no-one seems too interested.
Loader2k 3 months ago
@Loader2k
Yes. Several witnesses at Parklawn reported a bullet hole thru windscreen plus one in the upper window frame (on the inside). Pictures taken of the limo in Houston just the day before (Nov 21) show no such damage.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 3 months ago
@10Feanor
Press conference following surgery on Gov Connally. Surgeon said Connally doing well but still had a bullet lodged in his left thigh that would be operated on later as it was not immediately life threatening.
Warren Commission -
#1 - Miss.
#2 - JFK throat / Connally back (the magic bullet).
#3 - JFK head.
If it was the magic bullet that was still in Connally's left thigh following surgery, then what was the pristine bullet found on Connally's hospital gurney "proved" to be LHO's?
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago 7
@LiquorWreckedEmGood
There really isn't anything "Magic" about this bullet. Firstly, it's certainly not "Pristine", as any latter-day Conspiracist will readily admit. The picture you're no doubt looking at is the profile pic that shows CE 399 only slightly bent. But look at the end-shot. It's deformed & w/parts missing.
The only bones this bullet struck was JBC's 5th rib (a glance) & his right wrist. By that time it wasn't going very fast.
The rifling is from LHO's Carcano, as is the Antimony.
10Feanor 6 months ago
@10Feanor
You completely missed the point. What a surprise.
LiquorWreckedEmGood 6 months ago
JFK wasn't shot from the front, Pat.
If he had been, where's the bullet?
From where did this alleged shot occur?
If shot from the front why is there a little 6mm hole in the back of his head while the entire side and front of his right-skull was explosively ejected?
If shot from the front, why does his head bob forward on impact?
How did Dr's know where the bullet came from? They never looked at the back of his head.
There's no place for a front-shooter to fire from without being seen by many.
10Feanor 6 months ago
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10Feanor 6 months ago
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@pat442389
So anyway, Pat ... tell us when Jesse Curry made his remarks about LHO & the 2nd Shooter.
Was it on, say, 23 or 24 Nov 63?
No.
Was it during the WC hearings in Feb & May 64?
No.
Was it during that Garrison fiasco of 69?
No.
Or was it in the fall of 1977, 14 years later, when he was no longer with the DPD, & getting paid by a then-famous Conspiracy Theorist to say it on film? Was the film made during the HSCA hearings in DC?
Well, I'll be sheep-dipped! It was at that.
10Feanor 6 months ago
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10Feanor 6 months ago
@ZELIG500
er ... it was the Rolling Stones who wrote that.
"Sympathy for the Devil", 1968, album 'Let It Bleed'. (3rd song side 1)
10Feanor 6 months ago
@10Feanor
D'uh ... I know that...they were two separate thoughts. Oliver Stone's bullshit movie was one thought. We are all culpable for the violent society we live in... was the second thought. Youtube doesn't allow a lot of space for expository dialogue.
Youtube doesn't give a lot of space for.
ZELIG500 6 months ago
@ZELIG500
One of the things I've always hated about U-Toob Forums is the 500-word responses. I'm a big yakker! I Need More Space!
lol
I liked what you said about "Nobody Talking". That's been one of my soap-boxes for a long time. Almost 50 years on and no mistress reports pillow talk, no bartender tells of an old drunk with a whispered tale, no old drunk squeals, no death-bed confessions ...
People like to tell secrets. That's why they're Secret!
But not 1 of the 'hundreds involved' has peeped.
10Feanor 6 months ago
you can see a bit more from the beginning of this video on, " Did the limo slow down". Although I am a firm believer in a shot fired from the front, I can't see anything on the grassy knoll.
ronnielad7 2 years ago
compare the photos of the tall guy of the three tramps (the one some thought was Woody Harrelson's father) to the photos of umbrella man. there is a resemblance in both appearance and clothing.
jelinto 2 years ago
Prouty thought the tramps were "actors," in other words a diversion. Remember the man who had a "seizure" just prior to the assassination.
What this an illusion or what? Well prepared operation , it was.
TheTheme2002 2 years ago
The 3 tramps disappeared for years & no record of their arrests until the HSCA formed. Then they showed up & arrest records too, just in time to thwart a serious investigation. We aren't suspicious tho, are we??
drguffey 2 years ago
i agree, the film starts just when the fatal shot was fired, a fraction of a second after. a pity the film is not longer at the beginning. it would probably proof or disproof if the limo really came to a complete stop.
The Harrleson guy (one of the tramps) wa not Harrleson, those 3 tramps have been found just recently and identified as real bums.
DoubleR666 2 years ago
just look at this film.watch closely the moment of impact.its so fast.watch it over and over and over.you can see a trail of where it comes from.can anyone else see it?
leinadfar 2 years ago
Have watcheed it and don't see it. The shots have already been fired at the very start of this footage. What you see is the aftermath. The trails that you see are due to the quality of the film. No one is on the grassy knoll either.
LMSStanier 2 years ago
check out website "the sixth floor museem".it has a much better quality nix film.there you will be able to see it.its a pity its not done in slow motion.zapruder film was done in slow motion.why not nix film?try that website anyway.you might be suprized
leinadfar 2 years ago
you don't see someone behind the white wall on the grassy knoll? I do. Look at Zapruder standing on the wall, then to the left on film someone is there.
ghostrider2414 2 years ago
No. Don't see anyone other than shadows. Shots were from behind - classic sniper tactic (re: Vimy Ridge in WW1 where Indian-American sniper successfully used this hunting tactic against the Germans) - even though Oswald had opportunity to shoot Kennedy from the front.
LMSStanier 2 years ago
the us government is still being controlled by these people.they protect terrorists like luis posada carriles who blew up a cuban airline killing innocent people.he is now in america being and was being protected by george bush's administration.he has information that would destroy them.thats why he is being looked after.he was present in dealey plaza and is a world class sniper.
leinadfar 2 years ago
sorry charles harrleson!why dont you post your slow motion orville nix fil dallasdeck?show us it.if oswald fired that day,how come the dallas police did a test on his hands and cheeks to see if he fired a weapon and it came back negative!!explain that.and if oswald was the only one to fire,you are agreeing with the magic bullet thoery??are you???a bullet that hit kennedy near the shoulder blade,went back upwards out of his throat the back down to hit connolly?think about it ......
leinadfar 2 years ago
chales harrelson was caught.he was one of the 3 tramps arrested in a sealed train,then released without charge.he is now in prison for assassinating a highcourt judge with a high powered rifle.he is woody harrelson's dad(the actor).
leinadfar 2 years ago
dallasdeck,i didnt say he had 2 films you idiot,i meant there is another shot of the same film on youtube.his hardly going to be standing there with 2 cameras!!check out "the day the dream died"thats good.if you watch the film really closely,you can see the trail of the fatal bullet.its very fast and coming from behind the picket fence.
leinadfar 2 years ago
I believe the limo slowed down. Maybe the driver slowed to look back at the Govenor and The President. His slowing of the car gave the shooter (s) an easier job at shooting President Kennedy.
I think the limo driver should have been questioned and had the spotlight put on him. With all the secret service and police behind the limo, they had to notice to slowing of the limo...the secret service member was able to run up and jump on the car, that's slow!
cf2993 2 years ago
Where is Zapruder?
And I think the car stopped !
anomaly189 2 years ago
Zapruder was further back, up on a pedestal. No, the car did not stop. I have been reading about, researching and writing about the Kennedy assassination for over 25 years, and I have come to the conclusion that Oswald acted alone. He was the lone gunman. There just is no decent evidence that any other shots were fired.
I have a copy of this film, digitized and cleaned up, there is no bullet coming "from the bushes", Leinadfar, no. Maybe there was a conspiracy, but only Oswald fired that day.
Dallasdeckard 2 years ago
Okay, and you say the car didn't stop but we see at Zapruder's video the driver is looking back.
And Clint Hill was able to jump on the car.
Able to (Oswald or more shooters) kill Kennedy.
anomaly189 2 years ago
Clint Hill was able to jump on it, because the entire procession was moving rather slowly. They had been moving slowly during the entire trip through downtown. Check the other footage, you'll see that they were moving at a snail's pace. That was the point, to hook up with voters, to shore up his support in the South.
If you watch, Clint Hill is *running* and running fast to get on the back.
Dallasdeckard 2 years ago
check out the video"the day the dream died".it shows assassin.
leinadfar 2 years ago
It does not show any "assassin". What you are referring to is the so-called "Badge Man" from the Moorman photo. In point-of-fact this was a complete fabrication by Jack White et. al. I have seen a hi-res photo of the Moorman shot and I can tell you, there IS no man there with a gun.
Many photo experts have examined the photo and proven that the man wasn't there. It is a complete fabrication, pure and simple.
Dallasdeckard 2 years ago
there is another orville nix video.if you watch closely,you can see the trail of the fatal bullet coming from the bushes.if you could use slow motion on this footage,it would be clear.
leinadfar 2 years ago
I have a good copy of the Nix film and I've looked at it in slow motion, zoomed, and there are no bullet trails, no bullets coming from the bushes.
Dallasdeckard 2 years ago
No, there is not "another Orville Nix video". For one, it is no "video" it is 8mm film. For another, there is only one film taken by Orville Nix of the assassination. Only one. Sorry, you're wrong.
Dallasdeckard 2 years ago
gaserjd (1 month ago) Show Hide +2 Marked as spam Reply | Spam Most Americans are morons...need proof?...They elected Obama.
Simple..LHO did it...Period.
that was hilarious! (:
true. but only the ones that WANTED him :P
GO MCCAIN!!!!
xmelissafacex 2 years ago
McCain and his pathetic excuse for a running mate already lost. A while ago.
Time to get over it, no?
ponypride111 2 years ago
The limo slowed down to let the agent on but then at the same time kennedy was shot so he sped up. mind you that oswald was an ex marine marksman.
dimebagfanbitch 2 years ago
Look at 0.03 Seconds in. Check out the figure above the second step of the wall towards Zapruder.
eddied111 2 years ago
I don't understand why the limo slows almost to a complete stop at the moment that the fatal shot is delivered.
If the President had shown any signs of being shot, at that moment he should have been RUSHED out of the danger zone.
Slowing the car only increased the danger.
Dahrol 2 years ago
Ever heard of a CONSPIRACY??
Manbeast222 2 years ago
also when they brang the car to the hospital 1 of the agents got a bucket and a sponge and started cleaning the inside of the car so it had to be an inside job think of all the other things like the car stopping
MrLazy1234 2 years ago
you know why his wife jumped on the back of the car? she was getting the the brain of his head...or at least thats what alot of people say.
domokun5555 2 years ago
0:02 look to the top lft you can see someone runnin can it be the shotr??
smtmkm 2 years ago
I think I see what you mean, but am not quite sure. Where?
Manbeast222 2 years ago
wow i can see that.. thats indeed creepy.
RoflmaoStudioz 2 years ago
Most Americans are morons...need proof?...They elected Obama.
Simple..LHO did it...Period.
gaserjd 2 years ago 2
Tit.
williamkanegateshead 2 years ago
see how the driver almost stopped the car on the road?
he has slowed down the car to make the shooters aim bcause jfk hadnt received a fatal shot yet.
after greer assures himself that jfk is dead he sped up and thats why the agent missed the grip the first time.
however this clip itself is on different speed and its obvious that the car is way slower than in this vid.
horror11 2 years ago
The poster of this clip has intentionally sped up the film in the last half to exadurate the speed before and after the head shot. Look at the feet of the agent climbing onto the limo trunk. This is bogus!
satweavers 3 years ago
This is because missing frames in the original Nix film
tarkus223 3 years ago 2
Still... something familiar about the agent hopping on the back of the lim... The Rocketeer pushing the pick up with his rocket pack! That was also undercranked.
satweavers 3 years ago
this angle used to show the gun being fired, now it doesn't. i know what i saw.
arctictubeonline 3 years ago
to anyone who doesn't believe the driver knew it: here you can see how s.l.o.w. this stupid car is!!!
vienese 3 years ago 4
the driver keep him in the line of fire till jfk was dead
lastat23100 3 years ago 6
OK, I just realized something! I think I now see how the edited video theory is true. In the Zapruder film, you see a sign covering up a lot of the action going on. But clearly at this angle, there is no sign present in fron of Zapruder anywhere that can be seen. Has anybody else noticed this?
nyguitarist 3 years ago
When this clip begins, the motorcade has already passed the sign to which you are referring.
swignanomous 3 years ago
pause this vid at the VERY beginning. Top right. That sign?
mike47321 3 years ago
You must keep in mind that the first shot was fired several seconds before this film starts.
Just after the film starts, the car comes to almost a complete stop, Kennedy receives his fatal shot and then the car speeds up.
Surely the driver knew he was supposed to speed up as soon as he heard gunshots. There was no reason for him to slow down in the first place.
Very suspicious
mpieterse77 3 years ago 6
I'm not the technical guy. But is it possible to show this film in 'ultra' slow, slow motion. Anyone? I saw a documentary with an analysed film, 3 - 1 mtr in diameter round circles at the fence in the shadow, right (like gunsmoke). I saw that documentary about 10 years ago (of experts analyzed film), and I have never seen it since then. Is it on youtube?
petereuropa 3 years ago
Haha. Look up at the top of the screen at 00:1 you can see Zapruder standing there.
jonnyboy531 3 years ago
This film was sped up from the original...
coolgamer1677 3 years ago
No shit
cbappa1 3 years ago 2
u dumbasses it came from a storm drain on the side of the road as u see the brain goes up when he is shot inucating it came from below
PeeimpHair364 3 years ago
lbj DID IT....
fsxpilot123456 3 years ago
I see someone running into the bushes between seconds 2-3. May mean nothing, may be a shooter.
Sakarls 3 years ago
This person is one of the three spectators who can be seen in Muchmore film, second part. They are looking the comitive in the ladder to the Grassy knoll.
tarkus223 3 years ago
@tarkus223 You know, there was a running man on the Dorman film, too. I wonder if he could be the same man?
rickyfan3956 1 year ago
@tarkus223 i wonder if that guy was interviewed he ran up the steps right after the shot
imasoulman01 1 year ago
People who say "no conspiracy" in the Nov. 22, 1963 assassination of JFK, would be wrong. The vice-president to John Kennedy, Lyndon Baines Johnson, did participate with some members of US government agencies to assassination another head of state.
This assassination took place in the same month and year of 1963, just before the planned JFK assassination.
See the YouTube video: ?v=DeNv_62v6WQ
Listen to LBJ, the VP of the US, talk about his assassination involvement with his own voice.
grassyknollkiller 3 years ago
Web search "59 witnesses delay on elm street".
DPD James Chaney(1 of 4 Presidential motorcyclists) stated the limousine stopped momentarily after the first shot. "...at the time, after the shooting, from the time the first shot rang out, the car stopped completely, pulled to the left and stopped. Several officers said it stopped completely." [2 H 44-45 (Lane), refering to Chaney's statement as reported in the "Houston Chronicle" dated 11/24/63; 3 H 266 (Baker)
This film was heavily edited.
grassyknollkiller 3 years ago 2
yeah and you see the motorcycle braking because the car has stopped
Levihaps 3 years ago 2
No, the motorcycle was breaking because the guy on the motorcycle was splattered with JFK's brain. Haven't you read any of the reports? Besides, the car wasn't stopped, because the car was moving. I'm not sure what your definition of a stopped car is, but a moving car isn't a stopped car. Perhaps you need your breaks checked?
ElBurritoXXXIX 3 years ago
The limo does not stop moving during this video clip, though the motorcycyle does break.
satweavers 3 years ago