Search YouTube for Anders Breivik, you would think this man is the embodiment of evil. Then explain why some people are calling him a hero? Some people are saying his intentions were good, but not his methods.
What do you find? Ignorant fucktards who don't know a thing about reality. Seriously, look around.
Now I think this is absolutely fantastic but I'd like to see so much more coming out of the islamic side. Otherwise it looks like so much "Creationist" talk where things are cherry picked to make it seem like things are being done
Question, what is the ratio between islamic groups condemning vs those condoning?
I'm curious. If most Muslims denounce terrorism, why did it take a ten year invasion by a foreign power to bring Bin Laden to justice? Why didn't all those Muslims who denounce terrorism do it themselves? Why do we see vast crowds of Muslims chanting openly about the violence and terror they want to instill in us in response to freedom and democracy? Why aren't huge crowds opposing them seen there too? Of course they SAY they denounce terrorism, but then why do they go on to still support it?
@rkyeun By your logic, someone can show news clips of Neo Nazis and Klan rallys, and determine that American's all support racism and bigotry. It's easy to cherry pick other cultures for a big bad boogie man.
The difference is when we have Neo Nazis and Klan rallies, the police are there holding back the rest of the public from silencing the Nazis and Klansmen.
@rkyeun Ok, that's just fantasy land. You show me the clip of riot police holding back a crowd of Americans about to rend some Neo Nazis or Klansmen. Take off your BS glasses and watch videos of the American groups you'd like to smack in the face. Then ask yourself. "How would I like to be judged by the behavior of these people?"
Muslims aren't the problem, and neither is the Qur'an. Arrogant fools, fear-driven sheep, and violet psychopaths are the problem.
@t3tsuyaguy1 So if Islam/the Quran aren't the problem, why don't we see suicide bombers of other religions? Tibetan buddhism is being systematically destroyed by the occupying Chinese forces, its people visciously persecuted. Why no suicide bombers there, yet muslims of all sects in countries all over the world are strapping bombs to themselves?
Suicide attacks have been perpetrated throughout history by members of numerous faiths, ethnicities, and national allegiance. The Japanese suicide attacks in WWII killed more Americans than 911.
Islam has no special claim to anything terrorists have done. The last person to fly a plane into a building in the United States was a middle class, middle aged, white Christian. Before 911 the worst terrorist in American history was Timothy McVeigh.
@JediVerse Muslims of all sects? Can you give examples of Sufi or Ahmadiyya suicide attacks please?
We saw suicide attacks during world war II carried out by Japanese soldiers... or what about Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam for nationalistic reasons? Please try to get your facts straight before you decide that suicide bombing is exclusively carried out by Muslims or that some how it's an accepted practice among all 'sects' as you put it.
@sofiarune You are right. My mistake. Not ALL muslim sects, but many.
I don't think kamikaze is a fair comparison. The Tamil Tigers, yes are a disgrace, but I asked specifically of Tibetan buddhists. Why none there? They are atleast as persecuted as muslims anywhere, yet do not resort to the same violence. I do agree with your general criticism though. My post did seem to imply only Islam has suicide bombers which of course is flagrantly false. I am chastened.
@JediVerse Why exactly would you not accept Japanese suicide attacks? I'm not sure why it wouldn't be a fair comparison. They just happened to have better technology which they took advantage of.
You do see suicide as a form of political action among buddhists as well. They don't use it to hurt others but they definitely have been known to self-immolate for political reasons. Oh and there have definitely been buddhist riots and some crazy censorship carried out on their behalf.
Pick one of the two options. You're contradicting yourself by saying the arrogant, foolish, fear-driven, violent psychopath sheep of Islam and the Quran both are and aren't the problem.
"Arrogant fools, fear-driven sheep, and violet psychopaths" in no way refers to Islam, Muslim, or the Qur'an exclusively in my statement. In fact given the context of my original comment, it strains credulity to accept that you honestly misunderstood that.
People who are a problem for society do not belong to a particular religion or culture. They arise everywhere.
Your starting to make me think that you are simply devoted to your bigotry.
@rkyeun That's a lovely attempt at evasion there buddy. You are being intellectually dishonest, and I think you're smart enough to know it. Rather than respond to attempts to illuminate the fallacy of your reasoning you simply side-stepped the arguments and pretended they never happened.
By your standard of evidence, all Americans are violence loving, war mongering, aggressively ignorant Christians.
Your only attempt to counter that argument, was to make a statement of fantasy.
I couldn't even watch the whole thing. I don't believe all muslims are terrorists, though they still want everyone to follow their beliefs, just like christians, and will do whatever they can to create a theocracy. PEOPLE: stop acting like Islamic believers are any less dangerous than christians. Fight them both equally! As for the video: just because some condemn doesn't mean they all do. I kept seeing numbers like 2000 people and such. That's very few compared to the millions of Muslims.
Though I think this is positive and I do critisize the western media of not covering this enough, I also find it ironic that a lot of people gather togeather to do the "No true scotsman" fallacy togeather.
Condemning an act of terrorism, after the fact, is of no use... Dr. Wafa Sutan, a Syrian muslim woman, in her book 'A god who hates' , argues that terrorism is inherent and intrinsic to Islam...Given that, what should one denounce?
@besursangeet Wafa Sultan has her views, and is quite welcome to them. But it seems to me that this video contains lots of evidence that supports my theory that Muslims do not support terrorism. The fact that thousands of individuals and groups and associations of Muslims condemn terrorism. Ask Wafa Sultan how her theory adds up in that context.
@whypatcondellisntfun 1) I have read Dr. Wafa Sultan's book. There are no 'theories' in the book - just facts supporting the title of the book.
2) In his book 'End of Faith", Sam Harris has a full chapter on ''The Problem with Islam" containing a long list of koranic quotes, wreaking divine terrorism :(
3) Search 'Islamic terrorism' on internet - wikipedia lists 'examples of attacks' starting with 1993...
Hmm, are we doing enough? Is it making a difference?
@besursangeet 1) Wafa Sultan has a theory that Islam is a nasty religion that begets hatred and terror, I have posted a video above that proves that Muslims globally disagree with her. I would ask you to think about how Wafa Sultan would argue that Islam calls for hatred when the Muslims in the video above clearly abhor hatred and violence.
2) I'm not that interested in what Sam Harris spoon fed to you, have you read the Qu'ran for yourself?
3) I guess 'Islamic terrorism' only started in 1993?
@whypatcondellisntfun Finally, I note that Wafa Sultan has no answer to this man who finally gets a chance to speak towards the end of this video in which she is commenting on the "Secular Islam Summit", a summit which by it's very existence proves her views about the absolute evil of Islam. Clearly, Islam is being interpreted differently from her by practising secular Muslims, this shows a lack of understanding of Islam on her part, and if she doesn't understand it, how can she comment on it?
@whypatcondellisntfun I don't believe in god and much less in religion... Yet, if I knew Arabic, I would have tried reading Koran in the original to verify Dr. Wafa Sultan et al... . Instead, I searched 'Koranic verses' on the internet and to my horror, the first result that came up was 'entitled Cruelty in the Quran' citing 520 such verses :(
@besursangeet If you are at all open minded, why don't you research the rebuttals from Muslims of Wafa Sultan, Sam Harris, et al instead of asking for simple answers to what in the end are very complex questions. I invite you to read the Qur'an for yourself. Why take your information and interpretation from a secondary source? What have you got to lose except your narrow viewpoint about Islam fed to you exclusively by anti-Islamic sources? Do you even care to widen your viewpoint?
@whypatcondellisntfun When I was reading Reza Aslan's 'God but no god' intently, a muslim guy came and asked me if I was a muslim :(
Like I said, I am not a believer in god or religion... Yet, I may end up reading the Qur'an (any recommendations?) some day, out of caustic curiosity... Sure enough I will be looking for those 'cruelty' 520 verses.
@besursangeet You say "Sure enough I will be looking for those 'cruelty' 520 verses", why not just approach the book with an open mind? Is it that you are already so biased against Islam without even having read the Qur'an that it skews your entire outlook? This is not the viewpoint of a truly rational Atheist, is it?
@whypatcondellisntfun Let's cut to the chase, shall we? You must have studied the Qur'an extensively... So, why don't you tell us if those 520 verses are in the book or not... If so, aren't they a call to cruelty and terrorism, that should be donounced by muslims?
For example, how does 3.10 "Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire" imply 109:6 "To you be your Way, and to me mine." at all?
3.10 is not incitement to be cruel, is it? It is merely a statement that *after death* those who disbelieve will be "fuel for the Fire". Is there any other possible explanation for this verse? 109:6 provides *context* in that it shows that Muslims should not attack or harm or terrorise non-believers simply for being non-beleivers.
The logic is clear and simple. I suspect that the other alleged 519 "cruel" verses follow the same pattern.
@besursangeet And, for the record, I've been honest all the way through this discussion.
It is not I who is passing judgement on a book I've not read. How intellectually dishonest is that?
It is not I who harps on about alleged "Muslim terrorism" whilst at the same time ignoring alleged "Atheist terrorism", "Jewish terrorism", "Christian terrorism" and all the other variants. How intellectually dishonest is that?
Please don't question my honesty when your own is hardly credible right now.
@besursangeet Why not search for 'Christian terrorism' on the Internet? Or 'Jewish terrorism'? Or 'Sikh terrorism'? Or 'Atheist terrorism'? Have you been ignorant of all this hotch-potch of terrorism or does it matter less than 'Islamic terrorism' specifically?
Also, search for 'Wafa Sultan' exposed. As I said, she is entitled to her views, but if she has been lying about the experiences related to how she reached her viewpoint, then that is something we need to understand beforehand.
@whypatcondellisntfun I agree terrorism of say "Christian or Jewish or any other" kind is no better than the "Islamic" terrorism... But when such terrorism is perpetrated by educated, moderate muslims (an Engineer in the case of 9/11, an MBA graduate in the Time Square attempt), one wonders about the depth and degree of decadence...
Dr. Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, Salman Rushdie, Sam Harris all quote verses from Koran to support their viewpoint. Are you saying these quotes are lies?
@besursangeet What I'm saying is that taken out of context you can make a quote sound like anything you like.
Any perpetrator of terrorism is by definition not a "moderate". You cite 4 people. I cite the video above and the global unity of the Muslim organisations who do not support acts of terrorism against civilians.
It's "Qur'an" not "Koran". Google told you that. If you cannot make the effort to spell it correctly, what does that say about your scholarship of the subject matter?
@whypatcondellisntfun I searched a couple of online dictionaries, including Websters and according to them Koran is an alternative spelling of Qur'an.... Those guys at Google should tag that too, for the sake of their search engine's scholarship ;-)
Alas, "taken out of context" argument has been used all too often :(
@besursangeet And the argument that the argument "taken out of context" has been used "all too often" does not in fact disprove the original point, does it? It merely demonstrates that Muslims believe that the Qur'an is taken out of context "all too often".
Perhaps people like you - who admit to not even having read the Qur'an but who still pass judgment on it's contents - should refrain from debating about the context - or lack of it - of quotes from a book you have not even read?
I know there are good Muslims out there but i am waiting for them to take to the streets, confront the extremists, and help hunt down the evil Muslims. When I see this I will believe that they are sincere and committed to civilization.
@michalchik Youre starting point is inherently bigoted. Is no Muslim is "committed to civilization" unless they take to the streets and confront extremists and help hunt down the "evil Muslims". But setting that aside. Are you blind? Did you watch the above video? A video about Muslims taking to the streets and confronting extremists? I didn't see people marching in the streets of Britain against the IRA, does this mean that the British were not "committed to civilization"
@whypatcondellisntfun I know, i brought this up as an example of what Muslims everywhere should be doing and I applaud the people at this rally. And yes, the Irish, that condoned the actions of the IRA were not supporting civilization. But the IRA was not bombing people around the world, they were not suppressing freedom of speech, democracy, women's rights, or trying to impose their religion on everyone else. They were opposing an occupation. They also came to the peace table and settled.
@michalchik Again, you appear to believe that *all* Muslims are trying to suppress freedom of speech, democracy and women's rights and are trying to impose their religion on everyone else. I say again, the above video proves this is blatantly not true.
Interesting that you raise the point about occupation, the 9/11 and 7/7 bombers explicitly mentioned the occupation of Palestinian land as a driving force in their actions, so their motives are the same as the IRA's were in that respect.
@michalchik It wasn't one rally, it was several rallies, globally, and several bloggers, globally, and several Muslim organisations and political and religious leaders, globally. I say again, did you watch the above video at all?
The IRA eventually came to peace, but at all times, through Sinn Fein, they had recognised political representation. Whilst there is no shortage of Muslim representation at the political level, they have yet to be taken seriously. For instance, on foreign policy.
Does anyone else think it's a problem that this video even needs to be posted? I mean, if some crazy Neo-Nazi Christian went and bombed a synagogue or something it would be completely obvious that no real Christian supported that. And nearly all Christians would universally and instantaneously denounce it. Yet, when it comes to Islam, there needs to be videos made about it?
@Dabba23 I agree that it is a shame that this video needs to be posted. I created it as a direct reply to a YouTube user who said that Muslims did not denounce terrorism. The fact that he did that, and the fact that you think it is "a problem" that people don't automatically assume that nearly all Muslims would universally and instantaneously denounce it is not a problem with Muslims (who, this video proves do universally denounce terrorism), but is a reflection of the mindset of others.
Then you see masses of Muslims threatening to kill the west in the Streets of London, England. Where are all the masses of Muslims denouncing this act. Imagine if we did that in Saudi Arabia. No I am sorry if you want to convince me. Then lets see Muslims on mass. Protesting peacefully agains Bin Laden, the taliban and all like them. Where are these Muslims? You want to be heard then yell louder than the fanatics.
@ellasamd Er. Did you watch this video? It contains specific examples of Muslims and Muslim organisations denouncing terrorism. I think I am being heard... You saw this video, right? I don't own a national newspaper or TV, I don't set the media agenda, but I've bypassed the media and spoken to you directly, what more can I do? And there are other Muslims like me on YT. Why ignore us all?
I removed a comment by stepheng1483 for 2 reasons. Firstly, that it defames the entire Jewish community and I will not abide such things on my channel. And secondly because a cursory glance at his channel (and name) reveals that his loyalty lies with Nazi ideology and, apparently, the BNP.
Frankly, its Monday morning and I'm not in the mood for this kind of BS.
@whypatcondellisntfun I agree that Nazis are bad but freedom of expression and speech should never be censored. You have made yourself the judge for all of us who read. Please do not misunderstand me. I don't like white supremists either but they have a right to speak or we are as bad as they are. Smart people would have seen thru his BS.
@ellasamd Normally, I'd agree with you, and usually, I do make an absolute point of leaving critical statements up so that I can unpick the illogic behind them. But I can tell you this comment was probably just very rude and I don't want to be a party to broadcasting that kind of hatred.
I left his name up so you can visit his channel, he has some recent anti-Jewsih comments for you to debate if you desire to engage in polite discourse with him about that.
@whypatcondellisntfun It's a funny thing but over the past few years I have become a person with hate in him. Terrorism and the fanatics behind it have ruined me. I hate Islam for how the world is now. I went on a muslim chat line to try to find some Muslims to show how wrong I was. But all I got when i asked them to denounce the terror was threats. i walked away more convinced that they are the biggest threat to this world that there is. Worse than Hitler.
@ellasamd I guess you don't know of the IRA? Or Eta? Or the Baader-Meinhof gang? Or the Tamil Tigers? How is it when there are so many other geo-political and financial forces at play you think that Islam is to be hated for the way the world is now? I would say that if you are full of hate then you are probably not speaking from a humane or rational point of view. Your judgement is clouded against a something which you blame for everything wrong in the world... I'm not sure that is healthy.
men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious convicition.sorry but myself and my kids will never submit to your god....islam nazis bnp all seem good at hating each other you all mad to me.
Th fact that you do not want to submit to my God is fine with me, for my God teaches that there can be no compulsion in religion, that alone should tell you that Islam is not to be likened to Nazism.
Secondly, how is it that you can speak for your kids? Do they not have a say for themselves? Or do you dictate to them what they should and should not believe? My child is free to choose what they believe, I think that is certainly the best way, don't you?
It is a shame we see a minority of Muslims not practicing what is preached, but then, that's life, there are ignorant people everywhere.
As always, I would ask that you prove that the Qur'an contradicts it self when it says that there should be no compulsion in religion. Also, please keep anything you quote in context.
And once a child becomes an adult, then what? How do you explain people like myself who was an atheist as a child but who turned religious in adulthood?
I will teach my child what I personally believe, but I (and other non-Muslim family and friends) will teach them what Christians, Atheists, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs believe and inform them that there are many different belief systems and they are free to be skeptical of them all.
As I keep saying, there can be no compulsion in religion, and so a child is not fit to consciously choose Islam as a way of life.
I cannot be fairer than that, though no doubt you will find a way to disagree.
The video I made was in response to the theory that Muslims are doing and saying nothing to denounce terrorism. You concede that Muslims are in fact denouncing terrorism.
The fact that "the denouncements don't seem to be helping" is neither here nor there, there are idiots in every walk of life. The majority of the Irish population denounced the IRA, those denouncements didn't help much either but we did not blame the whole of Ireland for the actions of one bunch of terrorists.
What remains, then, is to conquer Rome. The second part of the omen. "The city of Hiraq [once emperor of Constantinople] will be conquered first", so what remains is to conquer Rome.'
This quote is out of context, the original quote is:
"What remains, then, is to conquer Rome. The second part of the omen. "The city of Hiraq [once emperor of Constantinople] will be conquered first", so what remains is to conquer Rome.' This means that Islam will come back to Europe for the third time, after it was expelled from it twice Conquest through Da'wa [proselytizing], that is what we hope for. We will conquer Europe, we will conquer America! Not through sword but through Da'wa."
Please define what an "Islamic" country is. In fact, you give your game away by only being able to say "most Islamic countries". You have already admitted that an idealistic "Islamic" country does not exist.
There are verses in the Qur'an which inform Muslims that there can be no compulsion in religion, and that those who apostate or who do not believe are to be left alone. Therefore, a nation which does not comply with these verses is being un-Islamic.
I don't know of any "Islamic States". Names can be misleading, "The Democratic Republic of Congo" is not democratic. The same is true of many so-called Islamic states.
The fact that you think this shows a lack of sophistication in your thought process.
You definition of an "Islamic State" may not be the Islamic definition of an "Islamic State". Therefore, you have yet to prove that the concept that becoming an "Islamic State" is a retrograde step.
Do you grasp my meaning now? Or are you going to keep playing silly little games?
"I support Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah. I oppose the peace that Israel and America wish to dictate. This peace is an illusion. I support martyrdom operations."
Youssef al-Qaradawi
The same Hamas and Hizbullah that are recognised as terrorists even by Islamic states.
This is in relation to Palastine and Israel I take it. Israel is a recognised occupying power and any acts of terrorism against Israel, though we may abhor them, are the acts of an occupied people against an illegal occupation.
You seem to be having lots of trouble with context.
I wouldn't have considered them terrorists, but the Nazis did and their were a great deal of Muslims in the Middle East and Balkans supporting the Nazis.
Perhaps I should not consider anyone opposing Islam and Sharia'h in a non-muslim country to be a terrorist or a racist either, no matter what methods they use.
If you understand why we would not consider the French resistance to be terrorists, then you will understand that the Palestinians, faced with an even more brutal occupation, are forced to resist the occupation, and are labelled 'terrorists' by Israel in the same way the Nazis thought the French resistance were 'terrorists'.
We understand the context of the French resistance using violence against a violent occupation, why can we not understand the context of Palestinian resistance?
"Oh Allah," Qaradawi said, "Take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of peopledo not spare a single one of them. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one."
Qaradawi has denounced violence, in this case,, however, it is surely a basic human instinct to resist an illegal - and itself violent - occupation which has been carrying on for over 40 years.
If a tank rolls down your street destroying your property, you are going to do all you can to stop it. You are going to do that regardless of what anybody else says.
anyone who avoids meeting with the enemies in order to counter their dubious claims and stick fingers into their eyes, is a coward. My stance stems from Allahs book [the Quran], more than one-third of which deals with the Jews[I] wrote a dissertation dealing with them [the Jews], all their false claims and their punishment by Allah. I still believe in everything written in that dissertation. [i.e., from above, in Banu Israil fi al-Quran wa al-Sunna]
This quote was taken after Muhammad Sayyid Tantawy had met and spoken with the Chief Rabbi of Israel, and was set in the context of normalization of relations with Israel.
[The] Quran describes the Jews with their own particular degenerate characteristics, i.e. killing the prophets of Allah, corrupting His words by putting them in the wrong places, consuming the peoples wealth frivolously, refusal to distance themselves from the evil they do, and other ugly characteristics caused by their deep-rooted lasciviousness only a minority of the Jews keep their word. [A]ll Jews are not the same. The good ones become Muslims, the bad ones do not
Apparently, this was written at the end of a 700 page essay, as every other quote you have given here is out-of-context, I think I'll take this one with a pinch of salt.
You quoted a single paragraph out of a 700 *page* (not *word*) essay. If you can't even read my comments I doubt you read 700 pages of essay in order to understand the context of the single quote that you used.
I used Google as a portal to many other websites. Google saind nothing in support of Muslims, independent media sources and government officials reported what Muslims said and I simply reflected what was being said and done on a global basis.
You might be interested to know that Larry Page was born and educated in the US, and Sergey Brin was born in Moscow and educated in both the U.S.S.R and the US.
Isn't it great that these two countries can produce such talented individuals? Still, Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web, and is a Brit who is a Unitarian Universalist, so I'm not sure if you can follow a line of reasoning with regards to religion and intelligence if that was your point?
Unitarian Universalism is a theologically liberal religion characterized by its support for a "free and responsible search for truth and meaning." The early Unitarian church not only rejected the Trinity, but also predestination, Original Sin and Substitutionary atonement.
Tim Berners-Lee converted because he could not "believe in all kinds of unbelievable things."
Pastor Thomas Starr King said "The Universalists believe that God is too good to damn them, and the Unitarians believe they are too good to be damned!"
Now that sounds like it is an almost sensible religion!
We must first agree that the pinnacle of intelligence consists of the collection of degrees, when clearly, you can be intelligent without a degree. In fact, many multi-millionaires do not have a great education. Richard Branson, for instance, has a poor academic record, yet is clearly intelligent. And then there is Alan Sugar.
'Intelligence', then, is not the collection of academic trinkets.
Even if I were to take your view that intelligence = academic excellence, how would you explain intelligenthristian (.) org. A site set up by Christian members of MENSA.
This is all good n well, but like most of Islam it's a do one thing while saying anotyher situation. 9-11 .. in the name of Islam. Mumbai .. in the name of islam. Spain train bombings .. in the name of isla. Blowing up Buddahs older than Muhamed in Afghan .. in the name of islam. Opression of women across most of the Muslem world .. in the name of islam. Bali discotech bombings .. in the name of islam. Russian children slaughtered by Chechens .. in the name of islam.
As a Muslim I would not disagree that the people who did those things, from their point of view, "in the name of Islam". However, the fact is that the people that did those things are a tiny fraction of the Muslim population. The majority of Muslims live a peaceful, democratic, non-women-oppressing life in the name of Islam. But I guess you should ignore that fact to prove your point.
Thanks for the hint, I hadn't seen that feature before! I've selected a dance tune and it's processing now...
Why would I threaten to kill you? It is people like you questioning me that keeps me on my toes and makes me find out more about my own religion and the people who are apparently associated with it.
I don't believe you understand the word Taqiyya. I understand it to mean that you can lie have to protect yourself or those close to you from harm. What if you had to lie to save the life of yourself, your family or friends? Are you saying you wouldn't? I know I would.
That is what Taqiyya is and I imagine non-Muslims also use Taqiyya.
If you disagree, all you have to do is produce your evidence to back up your claims that Muhammad (pbuh) commanded the use of taqiyya to pacify anybody...
Taqiyya is lying to the enemy until you are in a position of power as in making peace treaties and then breaking them..saying Islam is peace when its entire book Quran is devoted to war and violence...you ask where Moo commanded use of taqiyya to pacify(I would say trick) anybody....and you say youre a MUSLIM!! yet you don't know muslim writings,its a fact, muhammad used trickery/lying to acheive his evilpurposes
This is exactly what Taqiyya means. lying when it's advantageous for Islam. After all, the ultimate goal of Islam is to control the world .. Dar al Islam. Islam is the only "religion" with such a concept.
i notice that you are getting thumbs down for your post. Typically Muslem. When Islam doesn't want to face it's critics it censors them when possible or takes to violence. Quite pathetic actually.
At end of day,my friend, words are cheap,it is ACTIONS that count! all these soothing conciliatory words coming from various muslims (who obviously DON"T agree with the VIOLENCE advocated in Quran)does not add up to a hill of beans if they are not boycotting radical imams preaching at their mosques,protesting strongly to OTHER RADICAL MUSLIMS,and actively PROTESTING the muslims who burn flags,riot in streets,and shout murderous slogans (in the West)why are they NOT persnally challenging them?
Perhaps you didn't watch this video? Is this video not me challenging any 'radical' Muslim to defend themselves? Do you see any Muslim comments on this video that disagree with the contents of this video?
I'm not supporting 'radical' Muslims, I'm actively denying them, whilst supporting what you might call 'moderates'.
You have not made any videos, I have more subscribers and channel views than you, so I think I've personally made more of an contribution to combat 'radical' Muslims than you.
No such being as a "moderate "muslim, they are all muslims , they all BELIEVE and FOLLOW the violence commanded by Allah against non-believers in the Quran,and if they DON"T believe it they can no longer call themselves muslim.. all the conciliatory words are just Taqiyya,as commanded by Muhammad, to pacify infidels..if you don;t know that then you are really dumb..btw, are you muslim??
On the contrary, I have allowed you to say what you like on my channel and yet you make up quotes from the Qur'an! Now I call you out on this blatant lie you have the audacity to tell me that it is the Qur'an that fuels hatred?
well, thank you for "allowing" me to express my opinion on your channel,I know freedom of speech about Islam is haraam to muslims,i commend you for embracing what we non muslims look upon as a RIGHT..now to address your accusation that I make up lies,let us say you are ignorant(and not lying) about the Quranic Surahs following"(8:12)"I will strike terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve,there fore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip off them" this is WHY muslims BEHEAD!
How interesting that you try to pretend that you haven't already lied by now producing a genuine quote from the Qur'an. Producing a genuine quote from the Qur'an does not prove that you have not lied in your previous attempt at making up a quote.
8:12 when quoted in context is in regards to a time of war, when one is physically fighting. If you think that all Muslims behead, I invite you to tell me when last a non-Muslim was beheaded in Turkey?
8:2 Muslims believe that there are many prophets, and although the Qur'an was one of His revelations, it is not the only one. For instance, Muslims believe in the revelations of Jesus (pbuh). Therefore, those who believe in the word of Jesus are also true believers
8:5 The verse as you quote it does not say not to question anything, does it?
8:8 Is falsehood not exposed when exposed to truth? It surely must then "vanish", not magically, but if the truth prevails, who will remember the false?
Sorry dazenman11, can't let that comment stand so I've deleted it.
I'm always up for polite debate, but cussing and name calling does not fall into that category. Having visited your channel I see that other people have had the same reaction towards you as I have and for that reason I'm also blocking you from my channel. Thank you for your time.
What a CROCK this video is!! I mean, just look at ANY footage of MUSLIMS in the West, with their PLACARDS,saying"hitler was right"...You will pay, 9/11 is on its way",ah yeah! and go to youtube videos ,look for "Raw Footage: Demonstrators" or go to my channel,see xample of thousands of ur "peaceful muslims"yelling KUFFAR and CHASING police in Britain!Muhammad said"I have been made VICTORIOUS with TERROR" so if Muslims denounce terror they denounce their PROPHET and Quran,Hadiths,they are LIARS!!
Just because there is footage of Muslims doing something, it does not logically follow that all Muslims think and believe and act in the same way. Indeed, who would shoot footage of a Muslim behaving normally walking down the street doing a spot of window shopping, what news value is there in that? Many a true word spoken in jest, check this video: watch?v=fj74bbRxFus
UMM,ever read the QURAN??? Quran is ISLAM, ISLAM is QURAN,KILL JEWS and non-believers, its written all thru it,and muslims believe this is LAST WORD TO MANKIND FROM GOD!!! if they don't agree with teachings of their own book they should leave Islam!! Quran is as bad in racial vilification as Mein Khamf,full of HATE!if a Nazi believes in those writings in Mein Khamf THATS what makes him a nazi..same with Muslims! get your head out of the sand!
I see you are unable even to discuss my first point with anything approaching calm rationality. Perhaps you should read up on the differences between Sunni, Shi'a, Sufism and Wahabbism and then ask yourself how such a pluralism of thought can come from the same book, and then ask yourself if it is then honest for you to believe that all Muslims think the same.
You seem unable to even spell 'Mein Kampf' and so I suspect your knowledge of Islam is as great as your knowledge of Nazi ideology.
So I see you try to sidestep the TRUTH of what i said by focusing on one spelling mistake, but whatever,Quran teaches anti Jew,anti,everyone who is NOT Muslim!!
Do Sunni,Shia,Sufi, Wahabi, BELIEVE Quran?? and believe the words of their prophet??? if your answer is YES.then whatever you say to ME is worthless cos your holy book CONTRADICTS you,if you are no longer obeying your prophet,you are no longer a muslim,and may as well leave Islam ..Quran 9:29 "O Muslim,there is a JEW hiding behind me, Come and KILL him"..these are the TOLERANT words of ur prophet..
"Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."
If this is the main plank of your argument, you should at least get your quotes right.
Thanks for the awesome video, but it is sad that you had to make it in the first place. Due to ignorance, it has become crucial to make such videos, so thank you.
The truth is, the vast majority of Muslims have been denouncing 9/11, Al Queda, the Taliban, the Sunni/Shia conflict, etc. and just terrorism in general for countless years. However, few, if any media outlets air these often public denunciations and cries against terrorism by Muslims. I would like to uncover the agenda behind this...
Sure. It's just a minority.
pewglobal (dot) org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
rkyeun 8 months ago
@rkyeun
Search YouTube for Anders Breivik, you would think this man is the embodiment of evil. Then explain why some people are calling him a hero? Some people are saying his intentions were good, but not his methods.
What do you find? Ignorant fucktards who don't know a thing about reality. Seriously, look around.
superhamzah85 3 months ago
We need more of this, a lot more.
Now I think this is absolutely fantastic but I'd like to see so much more coming out of the islamic side. Otherwise it looks like so much "Creationist" talk where things are cherry picked to make it seem like things are being done
Question, what is the ratio between islamic groups condemning vs those condoning?
sol3a1 9 months ago
And what of the passages in the Quran that specifically say to lie about Islam and its goals if you live in a non-Islamic country?
JediVerse 9 months ago
@itsayellowfig Couldn't agree more.
jrm21386 9 months ago
It's the 21st century, it's time to stop believing in ghosts.
mcrd2001 9 months ago
The first named is a dead guy (sayyid tantawi).
No matter, it´s great that a few muslims does not like terror.
JRBendixen 9 months ago
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Pineconevolved 9 months ago
I'm curious. If most Muslims denounce terrorism, why did it take a ten year invasion by a foreign power to bring Bin Laden to justice? Why didn't all those Muslims who denounce terrorism do it themselves? Why do we see vast crowds of Muslims chanting openly about the violence and terror they want to instill in us in response to freedom and democracy? Why aren't huge crowds opposing them seen there too? Of course they SAY they denounce terrorism, but then why do they go on to still support it?
rkyeun 9 months ago
@rkyeun By your logic, someone can show news clips of Neo Nazis and Klan rallys, and determine that American's all support racism and bigotry. It's easy to cherry pick other cultures for a big bad boogie man.
t3tsuyaguy1 9 months ago
@t3tsuyaguy1
The difference is when we have Neo Nazis and Klan rallies, the police are there holding back the rest of the public from silencing the Nazis and Klansmen.
rkyeun 9 months ago
@rkyeun Ok, that's just fantasy land. You show me the clip of riot police holding back a crowd of Americans about to rend some Neo Nazis or Klansmen. Take off your BS glasses and watch videos of the American groups you'd like to smack in the face. Then ask yourself. "How would I like to be judged by the behavior of these people?"
Muslims aren't the problem, and neither is the Qur'an. Arrogant fools, fear-driven sheep, and violet psychopaths are the problem.
t3tsuyaguy1 9 months ago
@t3tsuyaguy1 So if Islam/the Quran aren't the problem, why don't we see suicide bombers of other religions? Tibetan buddhism is being systematically destroyed by the occupying Chinese forces, its people visciously persecuted. Why no suicide bombers there, yet muslims of all sects in countries all over the world are strapping bombs to themselves?
JediVerse 9 months ago
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t3tsuyaguy1 9 months ago
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@JediVerse
Suicide attacks have been perpetrated throughout history by members of numerous faiths, ethnicities, and national allegiance. The Japanese suicide attacks in WWII killed more Americans than 911.
Islam has no special claim to anything terrorists have done. The last person to fly a plane into a building in the United States was a middle class, middle aged, white Christian. Before 911 the worst terrorist in American history was Timothy McVeigh.
So again, Islam isn't the problem.
t3tsuyaguy1 9 months ago
@JediVerse Muslims of all sects? Can you give examples of Sufi or Ahmadiyya suicide attacks please?
We saw suicide attacks during world war II carried out by Japanese soldiers... or what about Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam for nationalistic reasons? Please try to get your facts straight before you decide that suicide bombing is exclusively carried out by Muslims or that some how it's an accepted practice among all 'sects' as you put it.
sofiarune 9 months ago
@sofiarune You are right. My mistake. Not ALL muslim sects, but many.
I don't think kamikaze is a fair comparison. The Tamil Tigers, yes are a disgrace, but I asked specifically of Tibetan buddhists. Why none there? They are atleast as persecuted as muslims anywhere, yet do not resort to the same violence. I do agree with your general criticism though. My post did seem to imply only Islam has suicide bombers which of course is flagrantly false. I am chastened.
JediVerse 9 months ago
@JediVerse Why exactly would you not accept Japanese suicide attacks? I'm not sure why it wouldn't be a fair comparison. They just happened to have better technology which they took advantage of.
You do see suicide as a form of political action among buddhists as well. They don't use it to hurt others but they definitely have been known to self-immolate for political reasons. Oh and there have definitely been buddhist riots and some crazy censorship carried out on their behalf.
sofiarune 9 months ago
@t3tsuyaguy1
> Muslims aren't the problem, and neither is the Qur'an.
> Arrogant fools, fear-driven sheep, and violet psychopaths are the problem.
Pick one.
rkyeun 9 months ago
@rkyeun Pick one what? Arrogant fools OR fear-driven sheep OR psychopaths?
Do you think only one of them can be the problem?
All three groups engage in violent acts, each for their own reasons. All three are "the problem".
t3tsuyaguy1 9 months ago
@t3tsuyaguy1
Pick one of the two options. You're contradicting yourself by saying the arrogant, foolish, fear-driven, violent psychopath sheep of Islam and the Quran both are and aren't the problem.
rkyeun 8 months ago
@rkyeun Wow. That's amazing.
"Arrogant fools, fear-driven sheep, and violet psychopaths" in no way refers to Islam, Muslim, or the Qur'an exclusively in my statement. In fact given the context of my original comment, it strains credulity to accept that you honestly misunderstood that.
People who are a problem for society do not belong to a particular religion or culture. They arise everywhere.
Your starting to make me think that you are simply devoted to your bigotry.
t3tsuyaguy1 8 months ago
@t3tsuyaguy1
I didn't misunderstand. You weren't saying that Muslims were those things. You were saying that Muslims weren't those things.
You were wrong.
Yes, I am absolutely "bigoted" against Islam, if being a "bigot" mean I don't tolerate their crimes against humanity.
No, I am not saying ALL Muslims are that violent. The rest simply seem content to stand and watch the violence while cheering.
I'm not devoted to the position, either. Prove me wrong. Show me Muslims Against Burqas.
rkyeun 8 months ago
@rkyeun That's a lovely attempt at evasion there buddy. You are being intellectually dishonest, and I think you're smart enough to know it. Rather than respond to attempts to illuminate the fallacy of your reasoning you simply side-stepped the arguments and pretended they never happened.
By your standard of evidence, all Americans are violence loving, war mongering, aggressively ignorant Christians.
Your only attempt to counter that argument, was to make a statement of fantasy.
t3tsuyaguy1 8 months ago
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You are a liar, and I will have no more to do with you.
rkyeun 8 months ago
@montrealwatcher Could not have said it better myself, although I tried.
twombles88 9 months ago
I couldn't even watch the whole thing. I don't believe all muslims are terrorists, though they still want everyone to follow their beliefs, just like christians, and will do whatever they can to create a theocracy. PEOPLE: stop acting like Islamic believers are any less dangerous than christians. Fight them both equally! As for the video: just because some condemn doesn't mean they all do. I kept seeing numbers like 2000 people and such. That's very few compared to the millions of Muslims.
twombles88 9 months ago
No true scottsman, just as christians say. All superstition is unnecessary.
4G3NTanon 9 months ago
i watched this for the music
SezSays 9 months ago
Call me when the death penalty for apostasy,homosexuality,blasphemy,adultery etc is abolished or at least not practiced anymore.
ISlamMyWifeIntoAWall 9 months ago 7
@ISlamMyWifeIntoAWall
A Muslim has jurisdiction over other Muslims, as much as you have over other whatever you are.
The video was tackling the often repeated claim that Muslims don't denounce terrorism, the video showed that this claim is wrong. That's all.
superhamzah85 3 months ago
love the music
twankism 9 months ago
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!!!!
MrsMika 1 year ago
Though I think this is positive and I do critisize the western media of not covering this enough, I also find it ironic that a lot of people gather togeather to do the "No true scotsman" fallacy togeather.
stiaa04 1 year ago
Condemning an act of terrorism, after the fact, is of no use... Dr. Wafa Sutan, a Syrian muslim woman, in her book 'A god who hates' , argues that terrorism is inherent and intrinsic to Islam...Given that, what should one denounce?
besursangeet 1 year ago
@besursangeet Wafa Sultan has her views, and is quite welcome to them. But it seems to me that this video contains lots of evidence that supports my theory that Muslims do not support terrorism. The fact that thousands of individuals and groups and associations of Muslims condemn terrorism. Ask Wafa Sultan how her theory adds up in that context.
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@whypatcondellisntfun 1) I have read Dr. Wafa Sultan's book. There are no 'theories' in the book - just facts supporting the title of the book.
2) In his book 'End of Faith", Sam Harris has a full chapter on ''The Problem with Islam" containing a long list of koranic quotes, wreaking divine terrorism :(
3) Search 'Islamic terrorism' on internet - wikipedia lists 'examples of attacks' starting with 1993...
Hmm, are we doing enough? Is it making a difference?
besursangeet 1 year ago
@besursangeet 1) Wafa Sultan has a theory that Islam is a nasty religion that begets hatred and terror, I have posted a video above that proves that Muslims globally disagree with her. I would ask you to think about how Wafa Sultan would argue that Islam calls for hatred when the Muslims in the video above clearly abhor hatred and violence.
2) I'm not that interested in what Sam Harris spoon fed to you, have you read the Qu'ran for yourself?
3) I guess 'Islamic terrorism' only started in 1993?
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@whypatcondellisntfun Finally, I note that Wafa Sultan has no answer to this man who finally gets a chance to speak towards the end of this video in which she is commenting on the "Secular Islam Summit", a summit which by it's very existence proves her views about the absolute evil of Islam. Clearly, Islam is being interpreted differently from her by practising secular Muslims, this shows a lack of understanding of Islam on her part, and if she doesn't understand it, how can she comment on it?
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@whypatcondellisntfun I don't believe in god and much less in religion... Yet, if I knew Arabic, I would have tried reading Koran in the original to verify Dr. Wafa Sultan et al... . Instead, I searched 'Koranic verses' on the internet and to my horror, the first result that came up was 'entitled Cruelty in the Quran' citing 520 such verses :(
besursangeet 1 year ago
@besursangeet If you are at all open minded, why don't you research the rebuttals from Muslims of Wafa Sultan, Sam Harris, et al instead of asking for simple answers to what in the end are very complex questions. I invite you to read the Qur'an for yourself. Why take your information and interpretation from a secondary source? What have you got to lose except your narrow viewpoint about Islam fed to you exclusively by anti-Islamic sources? Do you even care to widen your viewpoint?
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@whypatcondellisntfun When I was reading Reza Aslan's 'God but no god' intently, a muslim guy came and asked me if I was a muslim :(
Like I said, I am not a believer in god or religion... Yet, I may end up reading the Qur'an (any recommendations?) some day, out of caustic curiosity... Sure enough I will be looking for those 'cruelty' 520 verses.
besursangeet 1 year ago
@besursangeet You say "Sure enough I will be looking for those 'cruelty' 520 verses", why not just approach the book with an open mind? Is it that you are already so biased against Islam without even having read the Qur'an that it skews your entire outlook? This is not the viewpoint of a truly rational Atheist, is it?
109:6 "To you be your Way, and to me mine."
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@whypatcondellisntfun Let's cut to the chase, shall we? You must have studied the Qur'an extensively... So, why don't you tell us if those 520 verses are in the book or not... If so, aren't they a call to cruelty and terrorism, that should be donounced by muslims?
For example, how does 3.10 "Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire" imply 109:6 "To you be your Way, and to me mine." at all?
Your honest answers might open some minds...
besursangeet 1 year ago
@besursangeet Taking your example.
3.10 is not incitement to be cruel, is it? It is merely a statement that *after death* those who disbelieve will be "fuel for the Fire". Is there any other possible explanation for this verse? 109:6 provides *context* in that it shows that Muslims should not attack or harm or terrorise non-believers simply for being non-beleivers.
The logic is clear and simple. I suspect that the other alleged 519 "cruel" verses follow the same pattern.
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@besursangeet And, for the record, I've been honest all the way through this discussion.
It is not I who is passing judgement on a book I've not read. How intellectually dishonest is that?
It is not I who harps on about alleged "Muslim terrorism" whilst at the same time ignoring alleged "Atheist terrorism", "Jewish terrorism", "Christian terrorism" and all the other variants. How intellectually dishonest is that?
Please don't question my honesty when your own is hardly credible right now.
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@besursangeet Why not search for 'Christian terrorism' on the Internet? Or 'Jewish terrorism'? Or 'Sikh terrorism'? Or 'Atheist terrorism'? Have you been ignorant of all this hotch-potch of terrorism or does it matter less than 'Islamic terrorism' specifically?
Also, search for 'Wafa Sultan' exposed. As I said, she is entitled to her views, but if she has been lying about the experiences related to how she reached her viewpoint, then that is something we need to understand beforehand.
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@whypatcondellisntfun I agree terrorism of say "Christian or Jewish or any other" kind is no better than the "Islamic" terrorism... But when such terrorism is perpetrated by educated, moderate muslims (an Engineer in the case of 9/11, an MBA graduate in the Time Square attempt), one wonders about the depth and degree of decadence...
Dr. Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, Salman Rushdie, Sam Harris all quote verses from Koran to support their viewpoint. Are you saying these quotes are lies?
besursangeet 1 year ago
@besursangeet What I'm saying is that taken out of context you can make a quote sound like anything you like.
Any perpetrator of terrorism is by definition not a "moderate". You cite 4 people. I cite the video above and the global unity of the Muslim organisations who do not support acts of terrorism against civilians.
It's "Qur'an" not "Koran". Google told you that. If you cannot make the effort to spell it correctly, what does that say about your scholarship of the subject matter?
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@whypatcondellisntfun I searched a couple of online dictionaries, including Websters and according to them Koran is an alternative spelling of Qur'an.... Those guys at Google should tag that too, for the sake of their search engine's scholarship ;-)
Alas, "taken out of context" argument has been used all too often :(
besursangeet 1 year ago
@besursangeet And the argument that the argument "taken out of context" has been used "all too often" does not in fact disprove the original point, does it? It merely demonstrates that Muslims believe that the Qur'an is taken out of context "all too often".
Perhaps people like you - who admit to not even having read the Qur'an but who still pass judgment on it's contents - should refrain from debating about the context - or lack of it - of quotes from a book you have not even read?
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
I know there are good Muslims out there but i am waiting for them to take to the streets, confront the extremists, and help hunt down the evil Muslims. When I see this I will believe that they are sincere and committed to civilization.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik Youre starting point is inherently bigoted. Is no Muslim is "committed to civilization" unless they take to the streets and confront extremists and help hunt down the "evil Muslims". But setting that aside. Are you blind? Did you watch the above video? A video about Muslims taking to the streets and confronting extremists? I didn't see people marching in the streets of Britain against the IRA, does this mean that the British were not "committed to civilization"
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@whypatcondellisntfun I know, i brought this up as an example of what Muslims everywhere should be doing and I applaud the people at this rally. And yes, the Irish, that condoned the actions of the IRA were not supporting civilization. But the IRA was not bombing people around the world, they were not suppressing freedom of speech, democracy, women's rights, or trying to impose their religion on everyone else. They were opposing an occupation. They also came to the peace table and settled.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik Again, you appear to believe that *all* Muslims are trying to suppress freedom of speech, democracy and women's rights and are trying to impose their religion on everyone else. I say again, the above video proves this is blatantly not true.
Interesting that you raise the point about occupation, the 9/11 and 7/7 bombers explicitly mentioned the occupation of Palestinian land as a driving force in their actions, so their motives are the same as the IRA's were in that respect.
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@michalchik It wasn't one rally, it was several rallies, globally, and several bloggers, globally, and several Muslim organisations and political and religious leaders, globally. I say again, did you watch the above video at all?
The IRA eventually came to peace, but at all times, through Sinn Fein, they had recognised political representation. Whilst there is no shortage of Muslim representation at the political level, they have yet to be taken seriously. For instance, on foreign policy.
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
Does anyone else think it's a problem that this video even needs to be posted? I mean, if some crazy Neo-Nazi Christian went and bombed a synagogue or something it would be completely obvious that no real Christian supported that. And nearly all Christians would universally and instantaneously denounce it. Yet, when it comes to Islam, there needs to be videos made about it?
Dabba23 1 year ago
@Dabba23 I agree that it is a shame that this video needs to be posted. I created it as a direct reply to a YouTube user who said that Muslims did not denounce terrorism. The fact that he did that, and the fact that you think it is "a problem" that people don't automatically assume that nearly all Muslims would universally and instantaneously denounce it is not a problem with Muslims (who, this video proves do universally denounce terrorism), but is a reflection of the mindset of others.
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@whypatcondellisntfun But why does that mindset exist then?
Dabba23 1 year ago
Then you see masses of Muslims threatening to kill the west in the Streets of London, England. Where are all the masses of Muslims denouncing this act. Imagine if we did that in Saudi Arabia. No I am sorry if you want to convince me. Then lets see Muslims on mass. Protesting peacefully agains Bin Laden, the taliban and all like them. Where are these Muslims? You want to be heard then yell louder than the fanatics.
ellasamd 1 year ago
@ellasamd Er. Did you watch this video? It contains specific examples of Muslims and Muslim organisations denouncing terrorism. I think I am being heard... You saw this video, right? I don't own a national newspaper or TV, I don't set the media agenda, but I've bypassed the media and spoken to you directly, what more can I do? And there are other Muslims like me on YT. Why ignore us all?
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
I removed a comment by stepheng1483 for 2 reasons. Firstly, that it defames the entire Jewish community and I will not abide such things on my channel. And secondly because a cursory glance at his channel (and name) reveals that his loyalty lies with Nazi ideology and, apparently, the BNP.
Frankly, its Monday morning and I'm not in the mood for this kind of BS.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
@whypatcondellisntfun I agree that Nazis are bad but freedom of expression and speech should never be censored. You have made yourself the judge for all of us who read. Please do not misunderstand me. I don't like white supremists either but they have a right to speak or we are as bad as they are. Smart people would have seen thru his BS.
ellasamd 1 year ago
@ellasamd Normally, I'd agree with you, and usually, I do make an absolute point of leaving critical statements up so that I can unpick the illogic behind them. But I can tell you this comment was probably just very rude and I don't want to be a party to broadcasting that kind of hatred.
I left his name up so you can visit his channel, he has some recent anti-Jewsih comments for you to debate if you desire to engage in polite discourse with him about that.
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
@whypatcondellisntfun It's a funny thing but over the past few years I have become a person with hate in him. Terrorism and the fanatics behind it have ruined me. I hate Islam for how the world is now. I went on a muslim chat line to try to find some Muslims to show how wrong I was. But all I got when i asked them to denounce the terror was threats. i walked away more convinced that they are the biggest threat to this world that there is. Worse than Hitler.
ellasamd 1 year ago
@ellasamd I guess you don't know of the IRA? Or Eta? Or the Baader-Meinhof gang? Or the Tamil Tigers? How is it when there are so many other geo-political and financial forces at play you think that Islam is to be hated for the way the world is now? I would say that if you are full of hate then you are probably not speaking from a humane or rational point of view. Your judgement is clouded against a something which you blame for everything wrong in the world... I'm not sure that is healthy.
whypatcondellisntfun 1 year ago
men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious convicition.sorry but myself and my kids will never submit to your god....islam nazis bnp all seem good at hating each other you all mad to me.
paddykiddo 2 years ago 7
Th fact that you do not want to submit to my God is fine with me, for my God teaches that there can be no compulsion in religion, that alone should tell you that Islam is not to be likened to Nazism.
Secondly, how is it that you can speak for your kids? Do they not have a say for themselves? Or do you dictate to them what they should and should not believe? My child is free to choose what they believe, I think that is certainly the best way, don't you?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
your god teaches that there is no compulsion in religion?
a shame that we see so many examples of muslims doing the opposite
a pity too, that the qu'ran also contradicts itself on this and many other teachings
axiomiser 2 years ago
It is a shame we see a minority of Muslims not practicing what is preached, but then, that's life, there are ignorant people everywhere.
As always, I would ask that you prove that the Qur'an contradicts it self when it says that there should be no compulsion in religion. Also, please keep anything you quote in context.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
no, your child is free to believe what you and others teach it - as are all children
axiomiser 2 years ago
And once a child becomes an adult, then what? How do you explain people like myself who was an atheist as a child but who turned religious in adulthood?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
we were talking about children, not adults.
axiomiser 2 years ago
I will teach my child what I personally believe, but I (and other non-Muslim family and friends) will teach them what Christians, Atheists, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs believe and inform them that there are many different belief systems and they are free to be skeptical of them all.
As I keep saying, there can be no compulsion in religion, and so a child is not fit to consciously choose Islam as a way of life.
I cannot be fairer than that, though no doubt you will find a way to disagree.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Grow up! there is no such thing as religion! if you believe there is you are mentally ill.
bajamatty1 2 years ago
Clearly, religion does exist.
Whether or not you believe in the teachings of religion is another matter, but the very fact that religion exists is not really up for debate.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
2009.05.27 (Khanabad, Uzbekistan) - Four border policemen are killed in a drive-by attack by Islamic militants.
2009.05.27 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A man is gunned down in a suspected sectarian attack that also leaves his son injured.
2009.05.27 (Mingora, Pakistan) - Two local security personnel are murdered in a Taliban landmine attack.
2009.05.27 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - Five people are blown to bits by a Jihadi car bombing.
axiomiser 2 years ago
2009.05.27 (Paktika, Afghanistan) - A man and his 3 sons are among 5 shot to death by religious extremists.
2009.05.27 (Lahore, Pakistan) - A child is among 24 people massacred in a coordinated shooting and bombing attack by Fedayeen.
2009.05.27 (Algeria, Biskra) - Islamic fundamentalists ambush and kill 9 Algerian soldiers.
2009.05.27 (Uzbekistan, Khanabad) - 4 border policemen are killed in a drive-by attack by Islamic militants.
That's one day! - the denouncements don't seem to be helping
axiomiser 2 years ago
The video I made was in response to the theory that Muslims are doing and saying nothing to denounce terrorism. You concede that Muslims are in fact denouncing terrorism.
The fact that "the denouncements don't seem to be helping" is neither here nor there, there are idiots in every walk of life. The majority of the Irish population denounced the IRA, those denouncements didn't help much either but we did not blame the whole of Ireland for the actions of one bunch of terrorists.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
I concede that Muslims are denouncing terrorism???
I didn't realise that I had made such an error - my apologies.
axiomiser 2 years ago
What remains, then, is to conquer Rome. The second part of the omen. "The city of Hiraq [once emperor of Constantinople] will be conquered first", so what remains is to conquer Rome.'
Youssef al-Qaradawi
Whether by sword or proselytizing is unacceptable
axiomiser 2 years ago
This quote is out of context, the original quote is:
"What remains, then, is to conquer Rome. The second part of the omen. "The city of Hiraq [once emperor of Constantinople] will be conquered first", so what remains is to conquer Rome.' This means that Islam will come back to Europe for the third time, after it was expelled from it twice Conquest through Da'wa [proselytizing], that is what we hope for. We will conquer Europe, we will conquer America! Not through sword but through Da'wa."
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
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axiomiser 2 years ago
As I pointed out - calling for conquest, whether by sword or by proselytizing, is wholly unacceptable.
axiomiser 2 years ago
Proselytizing - AKA "freedom of speech" is not illegal.
If your ideas cannot stand up to a different opinion, that says more about your ideas than about religion.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
It is illegal in most islamic countries - that is the point.
axiomiser 2 years ago
Please define what an "Islamic" country is. In fact, you give your game away by only being able to say "most Islamic countries". You have already admitted that an idealistic "Islamic" country does not exist.
There are verses in the Qur'an which inform Muslims that there can be no compulsion in religion, and that those who apostate or who do not believe are to be left alone. Therefore, a nation which does not comply with these verses is being un-Islamic.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
So the bloody conquests will be replaced with proselytizing! LOL!
I believe that intelligence will defeat the proselytizing this time, as the sword repelled islams violent attacks in the past.
One only has to look at the majority of islamic nations to realise that becoming an islamic state would be a severely retrograde move.
axiomiser 2 years ago
I don't know of any "Islamic States". Names can be misleading, "The Democratic Republic of Congo" is not democratic. The same is true of many so-called Islamic states.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Pedantry and semantics..
I will rewrite it so that you might be able to grasp the meaning:
One only has to look at the majority of islamic nations to realise that becoming an islamic country would be a severely retrograde move.
axiomiser 2 years ago
Please compare and contrast the Islamic definition of an "Islamic state" with what you would call an "Islamic state"
You will see, I'm sure, big differences.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
There is no point, as it is completely irrelevant to my comment
axiomiser 2 years ago
The fact that you think this shows a lack of sophistication in your thought process.
You definition of an "Islamic State" may not be the Islamic definition of an "Islamic State". Therefore, you have yet to prove that the concept that becoming an "Islamic State" is a retrograde step.
Do you grasp my meaning now? Or are you going to keep playing silly little games?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
which was why i reworded my statement and omitted "state" in an attempt to make it clearer for you.
therefore, insisting on discussing the definition of "state" is irrelevant to meaning of the original comment
which shows a severe lack of logical thought on your behalf
axiomiser 2 years ago
You should now define what you think an "Islamic nation" is and how it is separate from what you think an "Islamic state" is.
Is everybody keeping up with this? Spectators? Innocent bystanders? Sock accounts?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
the point flew over your head at about cruising altitude.
axiomiser 2 years ago
"I support Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah. I oppose the peace that Israel and America wish to dictate. This peace is an illusion. I support martyrdom operations."
Youssef al-Qaradawi
The same Hamas and Hizbullah that are recognised as terrorists even by Islamic states.
axiomiser 2 years ago
This is in relation to Palastine and Israel I take it. Israel is a recognised occupying power and any acts of terrorism against Israel, though we may abhor them, are the acts of an occupied people against an illegal occupation.
You seem to be having lots of trouble with context.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
It is in relation to violence - it is NOT denouncing terrorism
YOU seem to be having problems with definition.
axiomiser 2 years ago
Do you consider that the French resistance were terrorists when they resisted Nazi occupation?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
I wouldn't have considered them terrorists, but the Nazis did and their were a great deal of Muslims in the Middle East and Balkans supporting the Nazis.
Perhaps I should not consider anyone opposing Islam and Sharia'h in a non-muslim country to be a terrorist or a racist either, no matter what methods they use.
axiomiser 2 years ago
If you understand why we would not consider the French resistance to be terrorists, then you will understand that the Palestinians, faced with an even more brutal occupation, are forced to resist the occupation, and are labelled 'terrorists' by Israel in the same way the Nazis thought the French resistance were 'terrorists'.
We understand the context of the French resistance using violence against a violent occupation, why can we not understand the context of Palestinian resistance?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
I am not aware of any "brutal occupation" of "palestine" - except perhaps the actions of jordan during black september
axiomiser 2 years ago
"Oh Allah," Qaradawi said, "Take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of peopledo not spare a single one of them. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one."
Youssef al-Qaradawi
axiomiser 2 years ago
Qaradawi was speaking of Jewish-Zionists, in the context of the Israeli occupation of Palestine.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
It is still not denouncing violence - either he does or he doesn't - or he lies.
axiomiser 2 years ago
Qaradawi has denounced violence, in this case,, however, it is surely a basic human instinct to resist an illegal - and itself violent - occupation which has been carrying on for over 40 years.
If a tank rolls down your street destroying your property, you are going to do all you can to stop it. You are going to do that regardless of what anybody else says.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Strange that Islam made violent conquests of many countries over hundreds of years, yet cry so much when a few square miles are taken back in battle.
So is he condoning violence against tanks or jews?
So how about I denounce violence, except when it comes to Muslims in my country?
That would be the equivalent - after all - muslims consider themselves brothers and sisters and therefore ALL are responsible??
axiomiser 2 years ago
anyone who avoids meeting with the enemies in order to counter their dubious claims and stick fingers into their eyes, is a coward. My stance stems from Allahs book [the Quran], more than one-third of which deals with the Jews[I] wrote a dissertation dealing with them [the Jews], all their false claims and their punishment by Allah. I still believe in everything written in that dissertation. [i.e., from above, in Banu Israil fi al-Quran wa al-Sunna]
Muhammad Sayyid Tantawy
axiomiser 2 years ago
This quote was taken after Muhammad Sayyid Tantawy had met and spoken with the Chief Rabbi of Israel, and was set in the context of normalization of relations with Israel.
Context is everything.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
You are taking me out of context
axiomiser 2 years ago
Then you will have no difficulty proving it.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
[The] Quran describes the Jews with their own particular degenerate characteristics, i.e. killing the prophets of Allah, corrupting His words by putting them in the wrong places, consuming the peoples wealth frivolously, refusal to distance themselves from the evil they do, and other ugly characteristics caused by their deep-rooted lasciviousness only a minority of the Jews keep their word. [A]ll Jews are not the same. The good ones become Muslims, the bad ones do not
Muhammad Sayyid Tantawy
axiomiser 2 years ago
Apparently, this was written at the end of a 700 page essay, as every other quote you have given here is out-of-context, I think I'll take this one with a pinch of salt.
How is AlexiusComnenos doing these days?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
It is out of context because it is at the end of a 700 word essay??
LMFAO!
So, if it calls for violence, it is out of context, if it doesn't, it is denouncing violence! LOL!
You can surely ask AC yourself
axiomiser 2 years ago
You quoted a single paragraph out of a 700 *page* (not *word*) essay. If you can't even read my comments I doubt you read 700 pages of essay in order to understand the context of the single quote that you used.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
i want to see muslim nations help irradicate this evil.
christains had to go through this pain when germany and italy fellow christains tried to wipe out the jewish people.
and dominat the world as white supremists.
now thw west had dealt wit its problems now what about you muslims too.
kingbleah 2 years ago
yes google rocks alright , but only when it says something in favour of muslims , lol
hmt444 2 years ago
I used Google as a portal to many other websites. Google saind nothing in support of Muslims, independent media sources and government officials reported what Muslims said and I simply reflected what was being said and done on a global basis.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
no. google rocks because it is very advanced u dumb shit
birminghamcity123 2 years ago
yup google rocks afterall it uses the algorithm created by jews students.
hmt444 2 years ago
Yes, hmt444, that is a great point.
You might be interested to know that Larry Page was born and educated in the US, and Sergey Brin was born in Moscow and educated in both the U.S.S.R and the US.
Isn't it great that these two countries can produce such talented individuals? Still, Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web, and is a Brit who is a Unitarian Universalist, so I'm not sure if you can follow a line of reasoning with regards to religion and intelligence if that was your point?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Unitarian Universalism is a theologically liberal religion characterized by its support for a "free and responsible search for truth and meaning." The early Unitarian church not only rejected the Trinity, but also predestination, Original Sin and Substitutionary atonement.
Tim Berners-Lee converted because he could not "believe in all kinds of unbelievable things."
axiomiser 2 years ago
Pastor Thomas Starr King said "The Universalists believe that God is too good to damn them, and the Unitarians believe they are too good to be damned!"
Now that sounds like it is an almost sensible religion!
axiomiser 2 years ago
Demographic studies on Religiosity & Intelligence:
MENSA: "MENSA members were much less religious in belief than the typical adults"
Plant, 1967: "The more intelligent students were less religious"
Argyle, 1958: "Intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs"
Carlsojn, 1936: "there is a tendency for the more intelligent undergraduate towards atheism"
axiomiser 2 years ago
Your framing of this debate is skewed.
We must first agree that the pinnacle of intelligence consists of the collection of degrees, when clearly, you can be intelligent without a degree. In fact, many multi-millionaires do not have a great education. Richard Branson, for instance, has a poor academic record, yet is clearly intelligent. And then there is Alan Sugar.
'Intelligence', then, is not the collection of academic trinkets.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Even if I were to take your view that intelligence = academic excellence, how would you explain intelligenthristian (.) org. A site set up by Christian members of MENSA.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Dear boy - how do you get the idea that it is just MY view, when the quotes are from famous studies and institutes?
Why would these results preclude a christian version of MENSA?
axiomiser 2 years ago
Demographic studies on Religiosity & Intelligence:
Nyborg, 2008: "People with a low intelligence are more easily drawn toward religions"
Poythress, 1975: "Religious Believers as a group were found to be significantly less intelligent"
2004 General Social Survey: "those with graduate degrees were the least likely to believe in the afterlife or the Bible"
Howells, 1927: "religiously conservative students are inferior in intellectual ability"
axiomiser 2 years ago
This is all good n well, but like most of Islam it's a do one thing while saying anotyher situation. 9-11 .. in the name of Islam. Mumbai .. in the name of islam. Spain train bombings .. in the name of isla. Blowing up Buddahs older than Muhamed in Afghan .. in the name of islam. Opression of women across most of the Muslem world .. in the name of islam. Bali discotech bombings .. in the name of islam. Russian children slaughtered by Chechens .. in the name of islam.
Actions speak loder ...
yone71 3 years ago
As a Muslim I would not disagree that the people who did those things, from their point of view, "in the name of Islam". However, the fact is that the people that did those things are a tiny fraction of the Muslim population. The majority of Muslims live a peaceful, democratic, non-women-oppressing life in the name of Islam. But I guess you should ignore that fact to prove your point.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Excellent job!! Is there any way you can upload another audio track to this?
You outdid yourself on this one!! 5 stars!
ummelaila 3 years ago
Thanks for this. I wasn't aware that the audio track had been disabled. Looks like I'm going to have to start using open source music. :)
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
just swop the music from youtube music factory .
i kinda of starting to like you , perhaps because you have not threatened to kill me yet . lol
i have had lots of them
hmt444 2 years ago
Thanks for the hint, I hadn't seen that feature before! I've selected a dance tune and it's processing now...
Why would I threaten to kill you? It is people like you questioning me that keeps me on my toes and makes me find out more about my own religion and the people who are apparently associated with it.
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
I don't believe you understand the word Taqiyya. I understand it to mean that you can lie have to protect yourself or those close to you from harm. What if you had to lie to save the life of yourself, your family or friends? Are you saying you wouldn't? I know I would.
That is what Taqiyya is and I imagine non-Muslims also use Taqiyya.
If you disagree, all you have to do is produce your evidence to back up your claims that Muhammad (pbuh) commanded the use of taqiyya to pacify anybody...
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
Taqiyya is lying to the enemy until you are in a position of power as in making peace treaties and then breaking them..saying Islam is peace when its entire book Quran is devoted to war and violence...you ask where Moo commanded use of taqiyya to pacify(I would say trick) anybody....and you say youre a MUSLIM!! yet you don't know muslim writings,its a fact, muhammad used trickery/lying to acheive his evilpurposes
peacechild61 3 years ago
This is exactly what Taqiyya means. lying when it's advantageous for Islam. After all, the ultimate goal of Islam is to control the world .. Dar al Islam. Islam is the only "religion" with such a concept.
i notice that you are getting thumbs down for your post. Typically Muslem. When Islam doesn't want to face it's critics it censors them when possible or takes to violence. Quite pathetic actually.
yone71 3 years ago
Yes, I am happy to get thumbs down...means the truth is being told about the Islam..,,yone
peacechild61 3 years ago
At end of day,my friend, words are cheap,it is ACTIONS that count! all these soothing conciliatory words coming from various muslims (who obviously DON"T agree with the VIOLENCE advocated in Quran)does not add up to a hill of beans if they are not boycotting radical imams preaching at their mosques,protesting strongly to OTHER RADICAL MUSLIMS,and actively PROTESTING the muslims who burn flags,riot in streets,and shout murderous slogans (in the West)why are they NOT persnally challenging them?
peacechild61 3 years ago
Perhaps you didn't watch this video? Is this video not me challenging any 'radical' Muslim to defend themselves? Do you see any Muslim comments on this video that disagree with the contents of this video?
I'm not supporting 'radical' Muslims, I'm actively denying them, whilst supporting what you might call 'moderates'.
You have not made any videos, I have more subscribers and channel views than you, so I think I've personally made more of an contribution to combat 'radical' Muslims than you.
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
No such being as a "moderate "muslim, they are all muslims , they all BELIEVE and FOLLOW the violence commanded by Allah against non-believers in the Quran,and if they DON"T believe it they can no longer call themselves muslim.. all the conciliatory words are just Taqiyya,as commanded by Muhammad, to pacify infidels..if you don;t know that then you are really dumb..btw, are you muslim??
peacechild61 3 years ago
By the way. Use of capital letters does not prove your point. Producing evidence does. It seems you can do the former, but not the latter.
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
You can say whatever you like to try to deny Islam is NOT terrorism,but writings of the Quran are violent,racist,and hatefilled against non-muslims
peacechild61 3 years ago
On the contrary, I have allowed you to say what you like on my channel and yet you make up quotes from the Qur'an! Now I call you out on this blatant lie you have the audacity to tell me that it is the Qur'an that fuels hatred?
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
well, thank you for "allowing" me to express my opinion on your channel,I know freedom of speech about Islam is haraam to muslims,i commend you for embracing what we non muslims look upon as a RIGHT..now to address your accusation that I make up lies,let us say you are ignorant(and not lying) about the Quranic Surahs following"(8:12)"I will strike terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve,there fore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip off them" this is WHY muslims BEHEAD!
peacechild61 3 years ago
How interesting that you try to pretend that you haven't already lied by now producing a genuine quote from the Qur'an. Producing a genuine quote from the Qur'an does not prove that you have not lied in your previous attempt at making up a quote.
8:12 when quoted in context is in regards to a time of war, when one is physically fighting. If you think that all Muslims behead, I invite you to tell me when last a non-Muslim was beheaded in Turkey?
Can you prove that freedom of speech is haraam?
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
LOL,don't try and deflect the fact that Quran says TO BEHEAD non-believers...it does NOT say in times of WAR ,liar
peacechild61 3 years ago
If the Qur'an commands that all no believers be beheaded, how do you explain away that non-Muslims live in Muslim countries without being beheaded?
I asked that you quote 8:12 in context, you refuse to, I leave the reader to come to their own conclusion by reading the qur'an for themselves.
Oh, you didn't prove that freedom of speech is haraam yet... if you make an assertion, you should back it up with facts, right?
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
8:2 "The true believers are those whose hearts tremble when GOD is mentioned, and when His revelations are recited" ---
So true believers are Muslems cuz I don't believe in the Qoran
8:5 " Then your Lord willed that you leave your home, to fulfill a specific plan, some believers became exposed as reluctant believers" ---
Apparently you can't question anything.
8:8 "For He has decreed that the truth shall prevail, and the falsehood shall vanish" ---
How will "falsehood" vanish ?!!
yone71 3 years ago
8:2 Muslims believe that there are many prophets, and although the Qur'an was one of His revelations, it is not the only one. For instance, Muslims believe in the revelations of Jesus (pbuh). Therefore, those who believe in the word of Jesus are also true believers
8:5 The verse as you quote it does not say not to question anything, does it?
8:8 Is falsehood not exposed when exposed to truth? It surely must then "vanish", not magically, but if the truth prevails, who will remember the false?
whypatcondellisntfun 2 years ago
Sorry dazenman11, can't let that comment stand so I've deleted it.
I'm always up for polite debate, but cussing and name calling does not fall into that category. Having visited your channel I see that other people have had the same reaction towards you as I have and for that reason I'm also blocking you from my channel. Thank you for your time.
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
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"I have been made victorious with TERROR!!( Muhammad)
peacechild61 3 years ago
This quote is from al-Bukhari,Vol.52,No.220 quoting Muhammad "I HAVE BEEN MADE VICTORIOUS WITH TERROR"
peacechild61 3 years ago
What a CROCK this video is!! I mean, just look at ANY footage of MUSLIMS in the West, with their PLACARDS,saying"hitler was right"...You will pay, 9/11 is on its way",ah yeah! and go to youtube videos ,look for "Raw Footage: Demonstrators" or go to my channel,see xample of thousands of ur "peaceful muslims"yelling KUFFAR and CHASING police in Britain!Muhammad said"I have been made VICTORIOUS with TERROR" so if Muslims denounce terror they denounce their PROPHET and Quran,Hadiths,they are LIARS!!
peacechild61 3 years ago
Just because there is footage of Muslims doing something, it does not logically follow that all Muslims think and believe and act in the same way. Indeed, who would shoot footage of a Muslim behaving normally walking down the street doing a spot of window shopping, what news value is there in that? Many a true word spoken in jest, check this video: watch?v=fj74bbRxFus
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
UMM,ever read the QURAN??? Quran is ISLAM, ISLAM is QURAN,KILL JEWS and non-believers, its written all thru it,and muslims believe this is LAST WORD TO MANKIND FROM GOD!!! if they don't agree with teachings of their own book they should leave Islam!! Quran is as bad in racial vilification as Mein Khamf,full of HATE!if a Nazi believes in those writings in Mein Khamf THATS what makes him a nazi..same with Muslims! get your head out of the sand!
peacechild61 3 years ago
I see you are unable even to discuss my first point with anything approaching calm rationality. Perhaps you should read up on the differences between Sunni, Shi'a, Sufism and Wahabbism and then ask yourself how such a pluralism of thought can come from the same book, and then ask yourself if it is then honest for you to believe that all Muslims think the same.
You seem unable to even spell 'Mein Kampf' and so I suspect your knowledge of Islam is as great as your knowledge of Nazi ideology.
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
So I see you try to sidestep the TRUTH of what i said by focusing on one spelling mistake, but whatever,Quran teaches anti Jew,anti,everyone who is NOT Muslim!!
peacechild61 3 years ago
So I see you ignore my first 6 lines of reply and focus on my last 2, great job!
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
Do Sunni,Shia,Sufi, Wahabi, BELIEVE Quran?? and believe the words of their prophet??? if your answer is YES.then whatever you say to ME is worthless cos your holy book CONTRADICTS you,if you are no longer obeying your prophet,you are no longer a muslim,and may as well leave Islam ..Quran 9:29 "O Muslim,there is a JEW hiding behind me, Come and KILL him"..these are the TOLERANT words of ur prophet..
peacechild61 3 years ago
peacechild61, 9:29 in fact says:
"Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."
If this is the main plank of your argument, you should at least get your quotes right.
whypatcondellisntfun 3 years ago
Thanks for the awesome video, but it is sad that you had to make it in the first place. Due to ignorance, it has become crucial to make such videos, so thank you.
The truth is, the vast majority of Muslims have been denouncing 9/11, Al Queda, the Taliban, the Sunni/Shia conflict, etc. and just terrorism in general for countless years. However, few, if any media outlets air these often public denunciations and cries against terrorism by Muslims. I would like to uncover the agenda behind this...
TwinNarutoRPG 3 years ago