the people can vote all they fucking like about anything they want, but not the constitution!! you don't mess with that shit to be discriminatory! sorry bigots!
another catholic bishop on child abuse charges in Canada last week, millions of children die every year through war/hunger/no access to medical aid, POLITICS/INDUSTRY/RELIGION is ruled by straight men, who should children really fear? and remember GOD is always watching, GOD & GAYS + JESUS LOVES = PRIDE
Marriage is NOT a right. It is a privilege. Is there a right to marry a person who refuses? No. Siblings, parents or immediate relatives? No. More than 1 person? No. Still I appreciate the honest of Great Affinity. Apparently it's okay to commit theft against someone who differs w/you in issues. & this isn't pursuit of happiness, freedom or life, as marriage is NOT a right.
Marriage may not be a right, but is it right to deny it based not on consent, genetics or administrative reasons (multiple marriages are a complicated matter), but simply antiquated beliefs?
Government Marriage is about contracts, taxes and property rights, why should gay spouses have to pay more taxes simply on the government's refusal to recognize them as spouses.
No it's not ok to steal, not for the christians, not for the gays.
Per CA Family Law 297.5 gay couples don't have to pay more taxes, and have the same benefits in domestic partnerships. Many 1000s of gays would be quite satisfied w/domestic partnerships as they believe that the ideal of kids getting a mother & father at the start of their lives should be promoted via 1 man: 1 woman in marriage and they put the needs of society & kids above any possible wants of adults.
"No it's not ok to steal, not for the christians, not for the gays." - Your words.
"This was stolen from youtube user BORNTWYCE. " - your admission to theft. The accusation of hypocrisy is used way to often. An alcoholic who says alcoholism should be avoided isn't a hypocrite, but a flawed person. A person who says that it's "not ok to steal", yet shows no problem in stealing really is being hypocritical.
All Prop. 8 did was keep the definition of marriage as 1 man: 1 woman and not expand it to man: man or woman: woman. That's it.
I mention kids, because this issue really is about kids. 1 man: 1 woman as the ideal leads to father:mother raising the kids as the ideal. If 2 men or 2 women are allowed to marry, then it is 2 dads w/o mom or 2 moms w/o dad are considered of equal value for the kids as a mom & dad. cont...
cont... We will also have to be teaching them that pursuing a gay relationship is of equal value to pursuing a str8 relationship. Their sexuality is in process of formation. If we teach them that gay & str8 of equal value, many will decide toward gay. Some people are of course fixated in 1 direction, but most aren't.
Um... Yes, they do learn about marriage in the schools. Parents in MA complained about a book, "Prince Marrying a Prince" and in San Francisco, CA 1st graders were taken to a same-sex wedding. Marriage isn't a right, so this isn't about equality, but what is the best form of marriage for society. 1 man: 1 woman leads to dad:mom for the kids. Are 2 dads w/o mom or 2 moms w/o dad equally good for raising the kids as a mom & dad?
@Aegius Driving is also a privilege, yet the government does not ban drivers licenses for people based on their Gender or Sexual orientation, why? Because it's unconstitutional, which is why it wouldn't make sense to ban marriage for people based on the same grounds.
You think marriage is a privilege? Ask the 50% of married couples who've been divorced.
@ofelixdacat The constitution of the USA gives no reference to sexuality. It is a state matter anyway per the 10th Amendment. & Yes, marriage is a privilege; that's partly why divorces occur. If you don't earn your marriage w/your spouse, then expect a divorce. A relationship is earned. A marriage is earned from that relationship.
@Aegius The constitution however does prohibit discrimination against gender, which is what banning same sex marriage does. Telling someone they cannot marry a person due to their gender IS Gender discrimination, which is therefore unconstitutional. It's no different from banning a person from voting a certain way, or driving due to their gender.
A marriage is not a degree, you don't earn it, which is why ANYONE can drive up to a Las Vegas drive thru Chapel & get married in 5 mins.
@ofelixdacat The US constitution does not permit discrimination per sex, but that doesn't change the definition of marriage from 1 man: 1 woman to something else. & Frankly telling someone that s/he can't marry someone due to same sex applies to BOTH sexes, so it isn't discrimination. Besides the 14th Amendment pertains to voting, juries & crimes recognized as such, not marriage. Your example of LV is where the marriage is bought & in turn earned.
@Aegius 1man +1woman IS discrimination against gender, which is against the constitution. 1man +1 woman of the same race is also against the constitution,which is why interracial marriage is now legal. The 14th amendment pertains to protecting everyone's rights regardless of race or gender. Banning marriage for someone due to gender is discrimination is a violation of the 14th amendment, bottom line end of story, The 14th amend. is why interracial marriage is legal, so it does pertain
@ofelixdacat Interracial marriage is now legal indeed per Loving v Virginia, but it doesn't redefine marriage from 1 man: 1 woman to man:man or woman: woman. The definition of marriage didn't change w/Loving v Virginia. The definition of marriage applies to both sexes equally, so there is no discrimination of sex. In fact marriage isn't referred to in the 14th Amendment anyway, so it really doesn't apply. However traditional English common law does apply & that ALWAYS was male:female only.
@Aegius But it still did redefine marriage for the whole entire country. Per the 14th amendment, interracial marriage was now legal in all states, yet a majority of people at the time were against it. Interracial marriage is still legal to this day, & there are millions of interracial couples. Their lives have NO effect on me or anyone else whatsoever, & hasn't caused any catastrophic problems which is why banning it in the 1st place was pointless. Race has no effect, neither does gender
@ofelixdacat & since you bring up discrimination: why not allowing someone to marry the sibling or parent? That's discrimination. Why not more than one person? Banning that is ALSO discrimination. 1 man+1 woman is the tradition of English common law and was upheld in Mormon Church vs. United States in 1898, Loving v Virginia and every other ruling, so it is part of Constitutional Law per case law. That is how it has ALWAYS been defined equally to BOTH sexes, so there is no discrimination per sex
@Aegius Exactly, why not? What someone wants to do with their own personal life is THEIR choice, THEIR Decision, and have absolutely 100% no effect on you whatsoever, however I don't see millions of people pushing to have incestuous marriage legalized, however there ARE millions who do want same sex marriage legalized. Don't like it? Don't marry someone of the same gender as you, it's not hard. Millions of gay couples are currently married in 6 states, & that has NO effect on you whatsoever.
@Aegius Traditionally, Marriage was the joining of two strangers of the same race, who didn't know or love each other, for the sole purpose of producing children. AND the wive was the sole property of the husband, she had no rights, and no say, & the husband could do whatever he wanted to her,including beating her.
Obviously, that definition has changed, and continues to change. Definitions change all the time, & the definition of marriage is no exception.
@ofelixdacat The 14th Amendment of United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868 as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. Did the Republicans who authored it and pushed for it had any intention of redefining marriage, when they authored it? No. The notion of redefining marriage as man:man or woman:woman has only been around for 15 years in fact. There is no relation to the history of the 14th Amendment & same-sex marriage. None. Period. End of story.
@Aegius No, and the Republicans who authorized it probable didn't intend for it to govern property ownership, housing, schools, and other things in which the 14th amendment is used to prevent discrimination. The idea of Segregation of public schools didn't exist when the 14th amendment was written, neither did the idea of interracial marriage. It is still relevant to today's laws. Discrimination is still discrimination, even if it didn't exist 142 years ago.
@ofelixdacat cont... Every case law per the US Constitution has marriage as 1 man: 1 woman. Next you earn your marriage per the relationship that leads to it. You earn that relationship as well. Is there a right to a sexual bond? No. Is there a right to a first date? No. Is there a right to engagement? No. These are all earned. & since you bring up discrimination: WHy not allow for sibling marriage? Banning that is discrimination. Why not polygamy? Banning that is discrimination.
@ofelixdacat cont... BTW, we have had marriage as male:female only throughout our nation's history. I take it that we have been operating in an unconstitutional manner since 1783 then? Or maybe since 1865 per the 14th Amendment then? & has every society in history until the last decade been wrong in having marriage as defined as male:female only for the sake of bearing & raising kids then too?
@ofelixdacat Per Constitutional law from English common law marriage has always been defined as 1 man: 1 woman. That is in case law. In fact every moral, philosophical tradition in history has had marriage solely as male:female and has pertained to the bearing & raising of kids. If male:female is regarded as the same as male:male and female:female, then we are saying that there is no difference in the sexes psychologically & emotionally or in their relationships to kids. Do you believe that?
@ofelixdacat Per Constitutional law from English common law marriage has always been defined as 1 man: 1 woman. That is in case law. In fact every moral, philosophical tradition in history has had marriage solely as male:female and has pertained to the bearing & raising of kids. If male:female is regarded as the same as male:male and female:female, then we are saying that there is no difference in the sexes psychologically & emotionally or in their relationships to kids. Do you believe that?
The US constitution is suppose to protect the freedoms, pursuit of happiness and liberty of all its citizens. Therefore, to not allow gay people to marry is indeed, unconstitutional. That does not mean I agree with their behavior, I have been the victim of reverse prejudice for being straight! However I am a firm believer in equal rights for all US citizens, it is a principal this country was founded on.
It's really good that prop 8 is kept in law, if it was repealed, the gay people with their gay agenda will continue to conspire with the penguins and giraffes to take over the world, first by undermining marriage via law, next, Barrack Obama will show his true colours and change everyone gay!
1 man and 50 women was the most common definition for many many years. Also is the whole arguement is about the courts, why not, instead of an amendment to ban gay rights, pass one that bans judicial overturns?
Then why make prop 8 a ban on gay rights? Why not just make it a ban on judicial overturns? you're whole argument is flawed. I tell you Christians scare the shit out of me. If we don't do something to stop this Christian legislation, then we're all gonna be burning at the stake inside 20 years. Spanish inquisition is coming back soon if you dont stop the bible nuts.
Because you can't make a proposition that removes the powers of the judiciary. Our system of government is 3 branches and that's almost non-negotiable.
People only yell, "the courts are out of control", when the courts disagree with them, otherwise they're doing their job.
That's why their going after gays, because they don't hate the courts, they hate gays, most other issues wouldn't get them this hopping mad.
No, look at history, the last time Christians where aloud to have this political power unchecked we had the Spanish inquisition burning people at the stake. I truly believe that if we don't do something to stop these Christian psychos we'll end up being dragged out of our house at night to be tortured and murdered for not following their version of the bible. That's why I keep as many guns a I can legally get in my house, just in case.
The constitution does not protect the freedom of choice. It protects the freedom of speech/press, religion, and polite protesting. Music and sexual orientation are equally in their validity there.
dang it when will our society see that homosexuality is just WRONG and it is A CHOICE??! This shouldn't even be an issue right now! homosexuals need to repent because they are walking a path of sin
You've got to be shitting me. Your myspace URL has the word emo in it and you're homophobic?
Even if homosexuality is a choice, why should it not be a choice to marry who I want? We already have the freedoms to choose many sins in this country.
dude, i got myspace over 2 years ago and that url was just meant to be a joke, and you can't change your url's...dang...i like punk/rock music...
ANYWAY, i'm just saying that gay marriage shouldn't even be an issue because people need to see that making the choice to be a homosexual is just WRONG in the first place
Even if it's a choice, it's like saying you can't have a myspace page because you like punk rock music. It's not music, it go against the very nature of sound and rhythm, it doesn't fit the majority's view on good music and it's just WRONG to want to listen to that style of music.
It's a step in the right direction, but gay marriage is now illegal in name only. Gay Marriage by any other name, "Domestic partner", is still gay marriage.
It will be a very long fight before we can finally eliminate gay marriage and get homosexuality out of our schools, gays have equal rights in CA!
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I think They are defining Coitus, not marriage. If a man has a horrible accident where his reproductive organs are removed does he to lose the right to marry? "they are made for each other" "creates life", my ass. I say this is dependant on the definition of marriage, and to me the legal rights should not be based on physiological features. Boofoos
It sickens me that 53% (a slim majority) of Californians can change to constitution in against the wishes of 47% of the people.
Const, are not like laws, they determine how laws can be made.
If the legislature (representatives of the people) requires a supermajority (2/3), then the people should not be exempt from the supermajority requirement
Many years from now the political opinions of Californians could change as the old die off and the young, more tolerant voters become the majority will vote again on this issue.
Do you agree with 50.1% of people changing the constitution on its own merits, or because they agreed with you this one time?
GAAH! I can't STILL can't believe prop. 8 passed. It doesn't matter what your religious beliefs are.
Our country tries to follow the separation of Church and State. Give me one reason that gay marriage should be banned that isn't religious. Not that religious reasons aren't valid, they just don't belong in a legal matter
Also, you don't let the majority vote on the rights of the minority. If, 200 hundred years ago, they had let states vote on slavery, what do you think would have happened?
Because religious freedoms are protected by the US Constitution. Having gay marriage is a risk to my religious freedom not to have gay unions shoved down my throat. People are generally willing to sacrifice the freedoms of others to protect their own.
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Well, if you don't approve of gay marriage, don't get one. I don't think that churches should be forced to perform marriages for same sex couples, because that would be violating their religious freedom.
Yes, he is. However my bigoted HR Director does have a point. If you watched couple videos by Prop8Supporter and a recurring theme you'll find is that "prop 8 could risk" (something related to religious freedoms) "I'm not willing to take that risk."
Prop 8 will go back to the court, where it will be deemed unconstitutional, and then it will be overturned. I'll put money on it. Forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, plain and simple.
Also this video makes it sound like it's bad when society progresses. By this same logic, women wouldn't be able to vote, blacks and whites couldn't marry each other, and we'd all be going to segregated schools. Gays have the right to marry, same as heteros.
I hate when people compare the gay plight to our civil rights movement because that was a fight for equality and right and wrong. This is just one of morals, so sorry gays but much of America is religious.
You're insisting this is a moral issue? On what grounds? The Bible? Well then we should have the death penalty for adultery and breaking the Sabbath too, right? You can't cherry-pick your morals from the Bible and force them on the rest of us. Sorry. This is absolutely a civil rights issue. This is the right for people who are oriented differently from you to live a life of dignity. I'm sorry you can't seem to grasp that. I blame your Bible.
How is this a moral issue? Can you tell me how a person's sexual orientation has anything to do with what is morally right or wrong?
You are right about one thing, though. Bigotry isn't relegated to just the Christian churches. Islam, for example, is just as homophobic. But does that make any of them right?
You can tell you're ignorant because straight people with stds outnumber gays. Gays have porportionately higher chances because they fuck around more often and without protection ( a bad idea regardless of orientation$
Heterosexuals get just as many STDs as homosexuals. What is your point? If you think that only homosexuals get STDs, then you are truly an idiot and I am done talking with you.
Well how do straight people get stds? Drugs, family history, but gays get them just by having sex. I hoped I didn't have to explain this but I guess you weren't as smart as I thought you were.
You, sir, are an idiot. Straight people and gay people can contract STDs the same way -- by having unprotected sex. Viruses don't discriminate between gays or straights. I can't believe I'm even having this ridiculous conversation. I would tell you to go get an education, but I'm afraid there is no hope in your case. Best of luck getting through life without a brain.
It is called butt-sex ASShole. Now you can go to hell and warm your feet NavaHOEJoe. And maybe you should get an education because I thought they taught this in health class. And even though the bill did pass gays still have many rights like domestic partnershit which is pretty much marriage. Maybe if you had followed the closet gay's example and not have gone around everywhere in tight clothes wearing make-up then you all wouldn't have this problem but "aren't as smart as I thought you were."
Guess what, genius. Heterosexual people have "butt-sex" too.
And don't tell me that "domestic partnership" is the same as marriage. That's like saying "hey we have separate-but-equal schools and bathrooms and drinking fountains, black people have no right to complain!".
Gays want equality. What is so wrong about that. Get over yourself.
Ah you actually made me laugh at this comment. Getting stds from drugs and family history? are you serious? they are called STD's Sexually Transmitted Diseases that means you get them from having sex no matter if you are gay or straight but navajojoe seems to have it right that you are brainless so this information will never sink in anywhere it is such a loss.
Thank you for posting this PROP 8 video. The newly revived passion for equal civil rights is most reminiscent of MLK Jr. Come check out our latest on the subject.
Sorry but you Christians need to figure out if you believe the ENTIRE old testament, and stop selecting the bits you want...requiring a rapist to marry his victim or the jealous husband forcing his wife to drink poisonous liquid or "Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material," Lev. 19:19 or "Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear," Deut. 22:12). Please stop trying to impose your inconsistent and incoherent views of morality on everyone else.
get over yourself. prop 8 passed. one man one woman in marriage, that right belongs to them and not some fake love. It passed hahahahahahahaha lol lol lol
When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I was not a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
Have you ever questioned yourself where we come from? What hapens after this life? Is there really a purpose for us here on earth?
God loves each and everyone of his childre, no matter what. I'm sure he loves homosexuals and understands them but I don't think his purpose was to have two men or two women be together as a couple, it defeats the purpose of life.
I love all people no matter what, I just don't agree with homosexual practices either.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
--14th Amendment
Do you think taking away people's rights is "okay" and "normal"? That's what you want to teach your kids?
The government should get out of the marriage, divorce and alimony business. Marriages between same-sex couples are not illegal, however the government will not provide legal benefits.
A straight wedding in the church of Satan is legally recognised, yet you do not fear your children will think that's normal, believe me when I tell you they will see us gays no different.
In order to fight this you have to go above and beyond become a legend become a part of history....if you believe that this is worng take action and do whats right for your self....
lets advertise who we re screwing! ever notice that straight people are not constantly rallying 4 support of their sexual liasons? maybe u know its wrong and you r uncomfortable,,thats why u want to force sane people to accept ur sexual obsession..its like any obsession,,if u dont check it ,,it becomes a very sick habit that you cannot control,,as we can see from the current proposition,,weird,personally i dont feel the need to tell the world that i eat butt!
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This is GOD's land not yours. We are but tenants here. By his Grace he blessed our ancestors and led them to this land to serve him for the good of all, not for the perversion of few. You along with the rest of the defiled are the reason GOD has removed his hedge (protection)from this country as a whole.
The supreme court should have never made the decission for gay marriage in the first place, without getting the citizens of california's vote. Now California has spoken, & they don't want gays to get married, so that's what it should be.
Yes on 8 demonstrates how bigoted this society is, and how much the "freedom and justice for all" crap that they spew is just that. Priests should be rounded up and executed like in Russia and Spain earlier last century.
Congrats. You "anti-gov't meddling" folks just used the government to meddle in people's personal affairs. Well done f*ckwads. Hey, you know what? I don't care much for interracial marriage. Let's ban that too! And women's suffrage? Pffft...
It is midnight in Wisconsin as I type. I am looking at the votes of Prop 8, as they're coming in. Right now, Prop 8 is winning by about 300,000 votes. But only 18% of precincts are reporting. You knwo what I'm doing? I am crying, even though I'm in Wisconsin. Cali + Conn + Mass were my HOPE that some day I will be able to marry. It is NOT up to YOU WHO I can MARRY. It is not up to the majority to oppress me, Californians, and all Gay People. Don't destroy that Hope your state gave us all.
i no the difference between the two i want to keep gay marriage its not going to hurt us why not why cant they be happy with their lover just like we do. its not fair its wrong
fook, that no on prop 8 that such bull crap just like we get married gays should have the right to its just stupidity and the fact that people don't want to change hello people the world is changing every minute of the day welcome 20th century.
I assure you: God is mindful of His children, regardless of their sexual orientation, and the people who persecute those with same-sex attraction will have to face His judgment, which will be just, against them. He knows how to make everything work out, even if it is hard to trust Him at times.
avocadoreport: Unfortunately, the fact that same-sex couples would receive a marriage license from the government won't affect the damaging hate that others hide within themselves; regardless of what benefits and protections the government may provide, those people will still have their emotions within them. It's an understandable cause, but I personally do not agree that it's going in the right direction.
That is because we live in a free society. You are free to be as homophobic, racist and against religions as much as you like, so long as that does not prevent the freedoms of someone else.
avocadoreport: A major reason why "separate but equal" was such a hurtful concept is that it was unequal in every way. The restrooms back then were "Male, Female, Colored" (essentially giving black people "their space," but cutting them out of the very benefits of having it, which were cleanliness and privacy in that case). "Black-child schools" literally could not have had
projectf90: Nowhere in the government has it yet been stated that homosexuality is normal. The rights you cited are non-discriminatory rights, which are not meant to be discriminated from one person due to a difference in sexual orientation.
If you want a true reading of how the law stood before the May ruling, it was this, in short
terms: "Homosexuals have the equal right to be married to someone of the opposite sex." The law was literally nondiscriminatory in this; homosexuals could get married just like anyone else. The fact that they couldn't get married to someone of the same sex is the cleft that people want made; homosexuals, by state law, could always get married. Your idea that the state law provided, or recognized, or treated as normal, same-sex marriage was based on a false premise.
avocadoreport: Not everyone reacts the same way to the same stimuli, even if it were possible for one child to receive every single stimulus that the other child receives (which is a logical and physical impossibility).
avocadoreport: I won't say I understand what it feels like to be in your situation (it would be really shallow to say that; I actually don't know what you've had to suffer through in your life, undoubtedly because of ignorant and mean-spirited people who act on their arrogance). That it's a hard road, I don't doubt. That the hate would end today and never come back, I could only wish, because it poisons nearly all society nowadays. I hope you don't see my intentions as aggressive or hurtful.
thank you for that. but i wish you could understand what prop 8 really does mean. like i said earlier it will only empasis that there is a difference between people like me and people like you, and we should be seen as equals. as equals fairness prevails and hate is diminished. I probably won't change you mind because you fought me on everything I've said, but i hope you will continue to be kind to others.
avocadoreport: Human psychology is often shaped by the internal reactions to external stimuli. For example, the way a mental illness (as an example only) is formed is by confusing a stimuli by giving it a contradicting or confused internal reaction; once it becomes second nature to make that erroneous reaction to that stimuli, the mental illness has already begun to form.
That's completely debunked with the fact that the same parents can raise one straight child and one gay. Same environment. The majority of people has some type of "mental illness" if you want to play by psychological standards. Do you know what messes children up even more, people hating them for who they are, that's why suicide rates among gays and lesbians are high, people like you. Ask any decent psychologist with an actual degree.
Unfortunately, there are people that have hatred for people with same-sex attraction, and I do not know why nor condone their actions. Their grave mistakes, however, won't cause me to change my mind about this issue. Furthermore, the reception of a marriage license for same-sex couples will not increase tolerance for them in the world; those with irrational hate will continue to feel irrational hate.
excuse me but you are again wrong. Having the same rights and calling it something different is not equal. Separate but equal is not equal. Check into America's history. A yes on 8 will lead to more discrimination against gay American's. What will you tell your children why gay people can't get married? The answer will ultimately be derived from the root, the fact that you do not see gays as decent human beings, but as sinners, and that is discriminatory and full of hate!
the same quality of education that the white schools had, since they didn't have the same teachers; it wasn't possible.
The same concept, however, cannot be equally applied to the gay rights movement. In this case, within the regulations of the state, a same-sex union receives every right and benefit that a heterosexual marriage couple receives; in this case, due to the nature of the instance, it is entirely possible to have the same rights and benefits without using the word "marriage."
Marriage is not owned by any one religion, so there should be no religious context to the word marriage in American laws about marriage. Marriage shouldn't be based on other peoples definition, wouldn't you agree? So since marriage is, in reality, just a contract, let your personal beliefs make up the real definition, but keep it within your family, and let me be able to do the same, because we are equal in America.
avocadoreport: However, when the majority ruled in 2000 that same-sex marriage shouldn't be legalized in California, we have to be sure that not all of them were religious. It may sound strange that some who have no believe in God at all still don't agree with same-sex marriage. The people, based on their morals (which may be influenced by religion, of a person chooses to follow one), had voted on the issue; the U.S. government has always been guided by its own people.
Why do we have supreme court judges if majority always rules? Just a thought. I still don't understand what the big deal is. I've tried to look at both sides objectively, I've spent many hours on the protect marriage website and on youtube watching clips, all it has done is sadden me. Just think of all the families that will be torn if 8 passes, including myself. You have nothing to lose, and deep down you know it. I'm done with torturing myself with this.
One more thing, the people are involved in the the election process of these judges by voting for a particular president that reflects their views and nominates them. So you can't really complain when they overturn rulings to make them reflect the laws and what's right according to the constitution. I have to swallow large pills to you know!
Families won't be torn. A family is a man and a woman and children, God willing.
The gays have civil unions. The push to redefine "marriage" does not give them anything extra. It just provides a right to indoctrinate children and to ruin the basic unit of society- which is what happened in Sweden, along with a series of hate-inspired laws which call preaching the truth "hate".
The call evil what is good, and good what is evil. What a distortion!
You've got to be kidding me! You're selfish and ignorant about this issue. It's not about religion. No religion owns marriage, so stop trying to "doctrinate" me. Keep your religion to yourself, and I will do the same. I am no better than you as you are no better than I! We should be equal in every way under the law. Divisiveness and hate ruins societies. Oppressive religious rule ruins societies. Why do you think Christians broke from the Catholic church in the 15 century? You are wrong.
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Marriage is the symbol used to convey the union of man to God. It is a living symbol. You want to corrupt that? God does many things to help us understand what is happening. Marriage is one of those things.
Genesis 1 says to produce fruit. Physically, this is 1 man + 1 woman to produce children. Spiritually, it is 1 person + GOD to produce Glory, believers & the Kingdom of God.
2 men produce no glory, no children, and satan's kingdom.
I'm not ignoring legitimate questions. Your question has nothing to do with Prop 8.
You are going to answer to God for your work here. If you repent, He is merciful. God loves mercy, but He also requires of us to do what is right. Stop hating the gay people.
You said Prop 8 originally took away sexual orientation as a protected status and almost sounded like you agreed with that.
I love gay people, there's nobody I'd rather have sex with.
I'm the admin of this video, I'll tell you what's a legitimate question. Now are in in favour of employment and other non-marital discrimination or not? YES or NO.
Marriage should be inclusive for every loving couple; that is equal, that is fair, and that is right. Calling it something different for gays and lesbians is unnecessary and divisive, which only instills the hate those already have, and makes it seem okay to treat people differently under the law. Stop trying to twist the logic.
Stop hiding behind smokescreens people, just admit that you are homophobic! You have the right to think, feel and say whatever non-threatening thing you want.
Stop with the lies of schools. If you admit you're a biggot, I actually respect that, because your honest and your mind cannot be changed.
greataff: The right to vote was already taken from me once by a group of judges who gave an opinion that contradicted with the will of the people. I'm allowed to have my say in and my influence over the government and the country that I'm a citizen of.
I'm disturbed that, up until now, you have treated me with respect (which I have duly noted and appreciated). Your unlicensed and unnecessary use of insults at this point suggests that your reasons are at their end.
If one agrees that homosexuality goes against the natural use. Then it is 100% rational to protect innocent children from corruption of the flesh and its use.
Your rebuttals aren't rebuttals. They are just denials.
Nowhere in Prop 8 are schools mentioned. AJ actually brought in his attorney and looked up the laws, schools will continue teaching what they do even if Prop 8 passes.
If your reason for support is because you're homophobic good for you, but don't lie and tell try to tell us schools will be affected.
Your lawyer did not charge a fee, I hope. In Massachusettes they teach man love to 2nd graders now. In SF, Gavin Newsome's officiated a wedding ceremony in front of 1st graders.
Great Affinity's lawyer spends a few hours a week as our corporate attorney. Prop 8 is about CA, MA is under different laws (unlike MA, CA parents can pull kids out of evolution and other objectionable teaching)
PROP 8 DOES NOT CHANGE SCHOOLS
As for SFO, twas PARENTS who had the idea. Keep in mind that SFO is highly Democratic.
By the way, you never answered my prev. question if you thought it was okay to deny a job to a gay guy.
I did READ it, which is why I made the comment. What he said was wrong and I was noting that. It wasn't in front of the kids, because they were waiting outside.
I know it was presented by the parents. Why even mention it?
And what does 'legally considered' mean? They are demonstrably not the same under law. I didn't imply Prop 8 DID change that.
I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic or not about 'wordplay', so I'm just going to leave that one alone.
According to the videos produced by Prop8Supporter, and our lawyer domestic partnerships are technically the same as marriage, the diff is words and xfers 2 other places.
Thank you for your observant and misunderstood comment
For clarity's sake....I quoted him because I wanted to comment on his failure to find things out for himself. It was NOT a jab at you, or a pat on his back.
the people have spokens yes on 8 americans let's stop them and keep it that way and cut that bullshit out saying it's a human rights things and civil rights wow gays not a right it's a choose.....
If it wasn't natural, it wouldn't exist. Period. No matter what analogies you will try and use to say differently, anything that exist in nature is natural in the context of the definition of the word natural. It is not synonymous with "normal" which you so like to define it that way and try to make everyone else live by YOUR "God given" definitions. Absurd!
I don't speak for God and neither do you! Stop justifying hate by claiming it's Gods will. My beliefs are not of religious beliefs, they revolve around the basic concept of treating people how I'd like to be treated. Who would you be without the bible, honestly? Stop using it as excuses for everything ignorant; it can be used for good things too, you should put more effort into those aspects of the bible, that even I can appreciate.
I can't believe this is an issue. These bigots will soon want only Christians to marry Christians and not allow Whites to Marry Blacks... It's not about the Courts or About schools. It's about being complete bigots. Stop being soooo afraid and give equality for ALL.
Vote NO on Prop 8 and show the world that we are not bigots. GOD SAVE YOUR HATEFUL SOULS!!!!
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israelisraelherman 1 year ago
the people can vote all they fucking like about anything they want, but not the constitution!! you don't mess with that shit to be discriminatory! sorry bigots!
wetdream09 1 year ago
prop 8 was overturned so fuck you retarded closet gay homophobes
Isuckatpaintball2 1 year ago
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another catholic bishop on child abuse charges in Canada last week, millions of children die every year through war/hunger/no access to medical aid, POLITICS/INDUSTRY/RELIGION is ruled by straight men, who should children really fear? and remember GOD is always watching, GOD & GAYS + JESUS LOVES = PRIDE
anthonynewsome 2 years ago
NO FAGGOTS!!!
HillaryDuffisG4Y 2 years ago
Marriage is NOT a right. It is a privilege. Is there a right to marry a person who refuses? No. Siblings, parents or immediate relatives? No. More than 1 person? No. Still I appreciate the honest of Great Affinity. Apparently it's okay to commit theft against someone who differs w/you in issues. & this isn't pursuit of happiness, freedom or life, as marriage is NOT a right.
Aegius 2 years ago
Marriage may not be a right, but is it right to deny it based not on consent, genetics or administrative reasons (multiple marriages are a complicated matter), but simply antiquated beliefs?
Government Marriage is about contracts, taxes and property rights, why should gay spouses have to pay more taxes simply on the government's refusal to recognize them as spouses.
No it's not ok to steal, not for the christians, not for the gays.
Prime Director - Alexander James Frémont
greataff 2 years ago
Per CA Family Law 297.5 gay couples don't have to pay more taxes, and have the same benefits in domestic partnerships. Many 1000s of gays would be quite satisfied w/domestic partnerships as they believe that the ideal of kids getting a mother & father at the start of their lives should be promoted via 1 man: 1 woman in marriage and they put the needs of society & kids above any possible wants of adults.
Aegius 2 years ago
"No it's not ok to steal, not for the christians, not for the gays." - Your words.
"This was stolen from youtube user BORNTWYCE. " - your admission to theft. The accusation of hypocrisy is used way to often. An alcoholic who says alcoholism should be avoided isn't a hypocrite, but a flawed person. A person who says that it's "not ok to steal", yet shows no problem in stealing really is being hypocritical.
Aegius 2 years ago
We did not take a tangible object from someone without their consent, we copied from them without permission.
Great Affinity is a Pro-Piracy (non-maritime) organisation
greataff 2 years ago
Since your talking about prop 8 and not gay marr in general,
Why did you mention children? This legislation did not affect them as gay marriage wasn't decided by this.
By your own words 297.5 means that prop 8 is about wordplay, so how is it that prop 8 changed anything?
Prime Director - Alexander James Frémont
greataff 2 years ago
All Prop. 8 did was keep the definition of marriage as 1 man: 1 woman and not expand it to man: man or woman: woman. That's it.
I mention kids, because this issue really is about kids. 1 man: 1 woman as the ideal leads to father:mother raising the kids as the ideal. If 2 men or 2 women are allowed to marry, then it is 2 dads w/o mom or 2 moms w/o dad are considered of equal value for the kids as a mom & dad. cont...
Aegius 2 years ago
cont... We will also have to be teaching them that pursuing a gay relationship is of equal value to pursuing a str8 relationship. Their sexuality is in process of formation. If we teach them that gay & str8 of equal value, many will decide toward gay. Some people are of course fixated in 1 direction, but most aren't.
Aegius 2 years ago
People don't learn about marriage from the govt, they learn it a home. No matter what you do well over 90% of people will be heterosexual.
Why don't you teach your kids that gays are unequal, because it's not the government's place to teach that.
Prime Director - Alexander James Frémont
greataff 2 years ago
Um... Yes, they do learn about marriage in the schools. Parents in MA complained about a book, "Prince Marrying a Prince" and in San Francisco, CA 1st graders were taken to a same-sex wedding. Marriage isn't a right, so this isn't about equality, but what is the best form of marriage for society. 1 man: 1 woman leads to dad:mom for the kids. Are 2 dads w/o mom or 2 moms w/o dad equally good for raising the kids as a mom & dad?
Aegius 2 years ago
CA has opt-out laws, MA does not. The students and parents were warned well in advance of the same-sex wedding and 2 parents opted-out.
Soceity? 2-3% of people will always be gay and marriage does not change this.
We ALREADY have gay adoption, that's not what we are arguing about adult getting married, expecially gay adults who already have sons and daughters
Prime Director - Alexander James Frémont
greataff 2 years ago
@Aegius Driving is also a privilege, yet the government does not ban drivers licenses for people based on their Gender or Sexual orientation, why? Because it's unconstitutional, which is why it wouldn't make sense to ban marriage for people based on the same grounds.
You think marriage is a privilege? Ask the 50% of married couples who've been divorced.
ofelixdacat 1 year ago
@ofelixdacat The constitution of the USA gives no reference to sexuality. It is a state matter anyway per the 10th Amendment. & Yes, marriage is a privilege; that's partly why divorces occur. If you don't earn your marriage w/your spouse, then expect a divorce. A relationship is earned. A marriage is earned from that relationship.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius The constitution however does prohibit discrimination against gender, which is what banning same sex marriage does. Telling someone they cannot marry a person due to their gender IS Gender discrimination, which is therefore unconstitutional. It's no different from banning a person from voting a certain way, or driving due to their gender.
A marriage is not a degree, you don't earn it, which is why ANYONE can drive up to a Las Vegas drive thru Chapel & get married in 5 mins.
ofelixdacat 1 year ago
@ofelixdacat The US constitution does not permit discrimination per sex, but that doesn't change the definition of marriage from 1 man: 1 woman to something else. & Frankly telling someone that s/he can't marry someone due to same sex applies to BOTH sexes, so it isn't discrimination. Besides the 14th Amendment pertains to voting, juries & crimes recognized as such, not marriage. Your example of LV is where the marriage is bought & in turn earned.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius 1man +1woman IS discrimination against gender, which is against the constitution. 1man +1 woman of the same race is also against the constitution,which is why interracial marriage is now legal. The 14th amendment pertains to protecting everyone's rights regardless of race or gender. Banning marriage for someone due to gender is discrimination is a violation of the 14th amendment, bottom line end of story, The 14th amend. is why interracial marriage is legal, so it does pertain
ofelixdacat 1 year ago
@ofelixdacat Interracial marriage is now legal indeed per Loving v Virginia, but it doesn't redefine marriage from 1 man: 1 woman to man:man or woman: woman. The definition of marriage didn't change w/Loving v Virginia. The definition of marriage applies to both sexes equally, so there is no discrimination of sex. In fact marriage isn't referred to in the 14th Amendment anyway, so it really doesn't apply. However traditional English common law does apply & that ALWAYS was male:female only.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius But it still did redefine marriage for the whole entire country. Per the 14th amendment, interracial marriage was now legal in all states, yet a majority of people at the time were against it. Interracial marriage is still legal to this day, & there are millions of interracial couples. Their lives have NO effect on me or anyone else whatsoever, & hasn't caused any catastrophic problems which is why banning it in the 1st place was pointless. Race has no effect, neither does gender
ofelixdacat 1 year ago
@ofelixdacat & since you bring up discrimination: why not allowing someone to marry the sibling or parent? That's discrimination. Why not more than one person? Banning that is ALSO discrimination. 1 man+1 woman is the tradition of English common law and was upheld in Mormon Church vs. United States in 1898, Loving v Virginia and every other ruling, so it is part of Constitutional Law per case law. That is how it has ALWAYS been defined equally to BOTH sexes, so there is no discrimination per sex
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius Exactly, why not? What someone wants to do with their own personal life is THEIR choice, THEIR Decision, and have absolutely 100% no effect on you whatsoever, however I don't see millions of people pushing to have incestuous marriage legalized, however there ARE millions who do want same sex marriage legalized. Don't like it? Don't marry someone of the same gender as you, it's not hard. Millions of gay couples are currently married in 6 states, & that has NO effect on you whatsoever.
ofelixdacat 1 year ago
@Aegius Traditionally, Marriage was the joining of two strangers of the same race, who didn't know or love each other, for the sole purpose of producing children. AND the wive was the sole property of the husband, she had no rights, and no say, & the husband could do whatever he wanted to her,including beating her.
Obviously, that definition has changed, and continues to change. Definitions change all the time, & the definition of marriage is no exception.
ofelixdacat 1 year ago
@ofelixdacat The 14th Amendment of United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868 as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. Did the Republicans who authored it and pushed for it had any intention of redefining marriage, when they authored it? No. The notion of redefining marriage as man:man or woman:woman has only been around for 15 years in fact. There is no relation to the history of the 14th Amendment & same-sex marriage. None. Period. End of story.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius No, and the Republicans who authorized it probable didn't intend for it to govern property ownership, housing, schools, and other things in which the 14th amendment is used to prevent discrimination. The idea of Segregation of public schools didn't exist when the 14th amendment was written, neither did the idea of interracial marriage. It is still relevant to today's laws. Discrimination is still discrimination, even if it didn't exist 142 years ago.
ofelixdacat 1 year ago
@ofelixdacat cont... Every case law per the US Constitution has marriage as 1 man: 1 woman. Next you earn your marriage per the relationship that leads to it. You earn that relationship as well. Is there a right to a sexual bond? No. Is there a right to a first date? No. Is there a right to engagement? No. These are all earned. & since you bring up discrimination: WHy not allow for sibling marriage? Banning that is discrimination. Why not polygamy? Banning that is discrimination.
Aegius 1 year ago
@ofelixdacat cont... BTW, we have had marriage as male:female only throughout our nation's history. I take it that we have been operating in an unconstitutional manner since 1783 then? Or maybe since 1865 per the 14th Amendment then? & has every society in history until the last decade been wrong in having marriage as defined as male:female only for the sake of bearing & raising kids then too?
Aegius 1 year ago
@ofelixdacat Per Constitutional law from English common law marriage has always been defined as 1 man: 1 woman. That is in case law. In fact every moral, philosophical tradition in history has had marriage solely as male:female and has pertained to the bearing & raising of kids. If male:female is regarded as the same as male:male and female:female, then we are saying that there is no difference in the sexes psychologically & emotionally or in their relationships to kids. Do you believe that?
Aegius 1 year ago
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@ofelixdacat Per Constitutional law from English common law marriage has always been defined as 1 man: 1 woman. That is in case law. In fact every moral, philosophical tradition in history has had marriage solely as male:female and has pertained to the bearing & raising of kids. If male:female is regarded as the same as male:male and female:female, then we are saying that there is no difference in the sexes psychologically & emotionally or in their relationships to kids. Do you believe that?
Aegius 1 year ago
The US constitution is suppose to protect the freedoms, pursuit of happiness and liberty of all its citizens. Therefore, to not allow gay people to marry is indeed, unconstitutional. That does not mean I agree with their behavior, I have been the victim of reverse prejudice for being straight! However I am a firm believer in equal rights for all US citizens, it is a principal this country was founded on.
kukynphunt 2 years ago
It's really good that prop 8 is kept in law, if it was repealed, the gay people with their gay agenda will continue to conspire with the penguins and giraffes to take over the world, first by undermining marriage via law, next, Barrack Obama will show his true colours and change everyone gay!
aPaThEiSt 2 years ago
This is either excellent satire or insanity
D. John Cárdenas
greataff 2 years ago
It's only a matter of time....
aPaThEiSt 2 years ago
If you guys are so concerned with marriage, why don't you work to ban divorce since thats the biggest problem in the U.S? LOL
testing88534 2 years ago
1 man and 50 women was the most common definition for many many years. Also is the whole arguement is about the courts, why not, instead of an amendment to ban gay rights, pass one that bans judicial overturns?
wikiporno 2 years ago
Because that would undermine the very foundation of the federal constitution.
Peter Schlomo Goodman
Legal Counsel for Great Affinity
greataff 2 years ago
Then why make prop 8 a ban on gay rights? Why not just make it a ban on judicial overturns? you're whole argument is flawed. I tell you Christians scare the shit out of me. If we don't do something to stop this Christian legislation, then we're all gonna be burning at the stake inside 20 years. Spanish inquisition is coming back soon if you dont stop the bible nuts.
wikiporno 2 years ago
Because you can't make a proposition that removes the powers of the judiciary. Our system of government is 3 branches and that's almost non-negotiable.
People only yell, "the courts are out of control", when the courts disagree with them, otherwise they're doing their job.
That's why their going after gays, because they don't hate the courts, they hate gays, most other issues wouldn't get them this hopping mad.
Peter Schlomo Goodman
Legal Counsel for Great Affinity
greataff 2 years ago
Who gives a fuck. Seriously? Why can't christians just go fuck themselves.
wikiporno 2 years ago
well aint that a prejudice statement
baine319 2 years ago
No, look at history, the last time Christians where aloud to have this political power unchecked we had the Spanish inquisition burning people at the stake. I truly believe that if we don't do something to stop these Christian psychos we'll end up being dragged out of our house at night to be tortured and murdered for not following their version of the bible. That's why I keep as many guns a I can legally get in my house, just in case.
wikiporno 2 years ago
The constitution does not protect the freedom of choice. It protects the freedom of speech/press, religion, and polite protesting. Music and sexual orientation are equally in their validity there.
evilminionnumber2 2 years ago
The constution actually does, in a roundabout way.
9th amendment
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people
So the just because a right is not enumerated does not mean the constituion can't protect it
Peter Schlomo Goodman
Legal Counsel for Great Affinity
greataff 2 years ago
Looks like I've been corrected.
evilminionnumber2 2 years ago
dang it when will our society see that homosexuality is just WRONG and it is A CHOICE??! This shouldn't even be an issue right now! homosexuals need to repent because they are walking a path of sin
alyrichardsrock 2 years ago
You've got to be shitting me. Your myspace URL has the word emo in it and you're homophobic?
Even if homosexuality is a choice, why should it not be a choice to marry who I want? We already have the freedoms to choose many sins in this country.
projectf90 2 years ago
dude, i got myspace over 2 years ago and that url was just meant to be a joke, and you can't change your url's...dang...i like punk/rock music...
ANYWAY, i'm just saying that gay marriage shouldn't even be an issue because people need to see that making the choice to be a homosexual is just WRONG in the first place
alyrichardsrock 2 years ago
Even if it's a choice, it's like saying you can't have a myspace page because you like punk rock music. It's not music, it go against the very nature of sound and rhythm, it doesn't fit the majority's view on good music and it's just WRONG to want to listen to that style of music.
evilminionnumber2 2 years ago
i agree
alyrichardsrock 2 years ago
It's a step in the right direction, but gay marriage is now illegal in name only. Gay Marriage by any other name, "Domestic partner", is still gay marriage.
It will be a very long fight before we can finally eliminate gay marriage and get homosexuality out of our schools, gays have equal rights in CA!
Stewart Ezekiel Leavitt
Christian HR Director
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greataff 2 years ago
I think They are defining Coitus, not marriage. If a man has a horrible accident where his reproductive organs are removed does he to lose the right to marry? "they are made for each other" "creates life", my ass. I say this is dependant on the definition of marriage, and to me the legal rights should not be based on physiological features. Boofoos
johnnyb678 3 years ago 2
It sickens me that 53% (a slim majority) of Californians can change to constitution in against the wishes of 47% of the people.
Const, are not like laws, they determine how laws can be made.
If the legislature (representatives of the people) requires a supermajority (2/3), then the people should not be exempt from the supermajority requirement
projectf90 3 years ago 2
"It sickens me that 53% (a slim majority) of Californians can change to constitution in against the wishes of 47% of the people."
Um...THAT'S DEMOCRACY, SILLY
alyrichardsrock 2 years ago
Many years from now the political opinions of Californians could change as the old die off and the young, more tolerant voters become the majority will vote again on this issue.
Do you agree with 50.1% of people changing the constitution on its own merits, or because they agreed with you this one time?
Alexander James Frémont
Director Great Affinity Productions
greataff 2 years ago
I would have agreed either way because that's democracy, but I wouldn't have liked it if prop 8 didn't pass.
alyrichardsrock 2 years ago
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MACCAPONE60 3 years ago
GAAH! I can't STILL can't believe prop. 8 passed. It doesn't matter what your religious beliefs are.
Our country tries to follow the separation of Church and State. Give me one reason that gay marriage should be banned that isn't religious. Not that religious reasons aren't valid, they just don't belong in a legal matter
Also, you don't let the majority vote on the rights of the minority. If, 200 hundred years ago, they had let states vote on slavery, what do you think would have happened?
Neona135 3 years ago
Because religious freedoms are protected by the US Constitution. Having gay marriage is a risk to my religious freedom not to have gay unions shoved down my throat. People are generally willing to sacrifice the freedoms of others to protect their own.
Stewart Leavitt
Prejudiced HR Director - Great Affinity Support Personnel
greataff 3 years ago
Well, if you don't approve of gay marriage, don't get one. I don't think that churches should be forced to perform marriages for same sex couples, because that would be violating their religious freedom.
Neona135 3 years ago
>People are generally willing to sacrifice the freedoms of others to protect their own.
I lol'd at the hypocrisy. Is he serious?
snipermagoo 3 years ago
Yes, he is. However my bigoted HR Director does have a point. If you watched couple videos by Prop8Supporter and a recurring theme you'll find is that "prop 8 could risk" (something related to religious freedoms) "I'm not willing to take that risk."
-Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
I didn't say he was wrong. I said he was hypocritical.
snipermagoo 3 years ago
Prop 8 will go back to the court, where it will be deemed unconstitutional, and then it will be overturned. I'll put money on it. Forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, plain and simple.
Also this video makes it sound like it's bad when society progresses. By this same logic, women wouldn't be able to vote, blacks and whites couldn't marry each other, and we'd all be going to segregated schools. Gays have the right to marry, same as heteros.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
I hate when people compare the gay plight to our civil rights movement because that was a fight for equality and right and wrong. This is just one of morals, so sorry gays but much of America is religious.
MrWiiPS360 3 years ago
You're insisting this is a moral issue? On what grounds? The Bible? Well then we should have the death penalty for adultery and breaking the Sabbath too, right? You can't cherry-pick your morals from the Bible and force them on the rest of us. Sorry. This is absolutely a civil rights issue. This is the right for people who are oriented differently from you to live a life of dignity. I'm sorry you can't seem to grasp that. I blame your Bible.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
No it is a moral issue because many religions and some atheist don't agree with homosexuality.
MrWiiPS360 3 years ago
How is this a moral issue? Can you tell me how a person's sexual orientation has anything to do with what is morally right or wrong?
You are right about one thing, though. Bigotry isn't relegated to just the Christian churches. Islam, for example, is just as homophobic. But does that make any of them right?
Please explain how this is a moral issue.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
You can tell that orientation is wrong because they are getting stds so they must be doing something wrong.
MrWiiPS360 3 years ago
You can tell you're ignorant because straight people with stds outnumber gays. Gays have porportionately higher chances because they fuck around more often and without protection ( a bad idea regardless of orientation$
greataff 3 years ago
Heterosexuals get just as many STDs as homosexuals. What is your point? If you think that only homosexuals get STDs, then you are truly an idiot and I am done talking with you.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
Well how do straight people get stds? Drugs, family history, but gays get them just by having sex. I hoped I didn't have to explain this but I guess you weren't as smart as I thought you were.
MrWiiPS360 3 years ago
You, sir, are an idiot. Straight people and gay people can contract STDs the same way -- by having unprotected sex. Viruses don't discriminate between gays or straights. I can't believe I'm even having this ridiculous conversation. I would tell you to go get an education, but I'm afraid there is no hope in your case. Best of luck getting through life without a brain.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
It is called butt-sex ASShole. Now you can go to hell and warm your feet NavaHOEJoe. And maybe you should get an education because I thought they taught this in health class. And even though the bill did pass gays still have many rights like domestic partnershit which is pretty much marriage. Maybe if you had followed the closet gay's example and not have gone around everywhere in tight clothes wearing make-up then you all wouldn't have this problem but "aren't as smart as I thought you were."
MrWiiPS360 3 years ago
Guess what, genius. Heterosexual people have "butt-sex" too.
And don't tell me that "domestic partnership" is the same as marriage. That's like saying "hey we have separate-but-equal schools and bathrooms and drinking fountains, black people have no right to complain!".
Gays want equality. What is so wrong about that. Get over yourself.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago
Last piece of advice to you. Get a life man-whore because I have one and can't explain stuff to you all day.
MrWiiPS360 3 years ago
You have nothing to explain. Everything you say is a bunch of white-noise nonsense.
NavajoJoe66 3 years ago 2
Ah you actually made me laugh at this comment. Getting stds from drugs and family history? are you serious? they are called STD's Sexually Transmitted Diseases that means you get them from having sex no matter if you are gay or straight but navajojoe seems to have it right that you are brainless so this information will never sink in anywhere it is such a loss.
willderphil 3 years ago
Well you shouldn't laugh. A friend of mine was born with an std because of his parents. LOOK STUFF UP
MrWiiPS360 3 years ago
A not-so-future condolences wishes to:
1. Fags cloning themselves for partners/'marriage';
2. Cyborg dating;
3. Cyborg partner/'marriage'
The fight is endless. But a victory on Prop 8 is sweet. We are savoring it every damn day.
slinkys 3 years ago
greataff: Did you accidentally send that as a reply to me?
slb1900000 3 years ago
Thank you for posting this PROP 8 video. The newly revived passion for equal civil rights is most reminiscent of MLK Jr. Come check out our latest on the subject.
MissLolaRose 3 years ago
Sorry but you Christians need to figure out if you believe the ENTIRE old testament, and stop selecting the bits you want...requiring a rapist to marry his victim or the jealous husband forcing his wife to drink poisonous liquid or "Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material," Lev. 19:19 or "Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear," Deut. 22:12). Please stop trying to impose your inconsistent and incoherent views of morality on everyone else.
domjb66 3 years ago 2
get over yourself. prop 8 passed. one man one woman in marriage, that right belongs to them and not some fake love. It passed hahahahahahahaha lol lol lol
one man one woman.
AirForce706 3 years ago
Calling the love that 2 men or women share "fake" shows your ignorance of homosexuals. Besides, love isn't required for legal marriage.
Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
right sure whatever. one man and one woman.
AirForce706 3 years ago
tjparsell 3 years ago
God created man and women to be together.
Have you ever questioned yourself where we come from? What hapens after this life? Is there really a purpose for us here on earth?
God loves each and everyone of his childre, no matter what. I'm sure he loves homosexuals and understands them but I don't think his purpose was to have two men or two women be together as a couple, it defeats the purpose of life.
I love all people no matter what, I just don't agree with homosexual practices either.
camelionn 3 years ago
When you take away the choice to sin, you also take away the choice to not sin, because it's no longer is a choice.
If you don't agree with homo- practices then do not participate in them.
Remember: Legal does not equal moral
projectf90 3 years ago
I am not trying to take away anyones choice to sin or not to sin. Everyone is free to choose whatever they want to do.
I'm only trying to help preserve marriage between a man and a woman which it was God's purpose.
When you grow up in a certain environment you think whatever you grew up with that's okay because you see it normal.
I don't want my kids to grow up thinking that same sex marriage is okay or was God's purpose.
I was worried that proposition 8 would not pass, that's all.
camelionn 3 years ago
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
--14th Amendment
Do you think taking away people's rights is "okay" and "normal"? That's what you want to teach your kids?
Equality4AllPlz 3 years ago
The government should get out of the marriage, divorce and alimony business. Marriages between same-sex couples are not illegal, however the government will not provide legal benefits.
A straight wedding in the church of Satan is legally recognised, yet you do not fear your children will think that's normal, believe me when I tell you they will see us gays no different.
-Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
Get thee behind (not to close though) me Satan.
cmtost 3 years ago
In order to fight this you have to go above and beyond become a legend become a part of history....if you believe that this is worng take action and do whats right for your self....
aberafik 3 years ago
lets advertise who we re screwing! ever notice that straight people are not constantly rallying 4 support of their sexual liasons? maybe u know its wrong and you r uncomfortable,,thats why u want to force sane people to accept ur sexual obsession..its like any obsession,,if u dont check it ,,it becomes a very sick habit that you cannot control,,as we can see from the current proposition,,weird,personally i dont feel the need to tell the world that i eat butt!
apocalypse348 3 years ago
Straight people already have support, why would they rally for something they already have?
As long as the govt accept it that's fine by me, there isn't a need to convince homophobes b/c they'll never be.
So bottom line: you don't like gays
projectf90 3 years ago 2
Rarely does a homophobic person stand behind their principals and admit their homophobia.
greataff 3 years ago
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This is GOD's land not yours. We are but tenants here. By his Grace he blessed our ancestors and led them to this land to serve him for the good of all, not for the perversion of few. You along with the rest of the defiled are the reason GOD has removed his hedge (protection)from this country as a whole.
cmtost 3 years ago
So it wasn't the adulterers, fornicators, drunks, non-Christians and hypocritical preachers, surely it was the gays!
projectf90 3 years ago 2
havent you hear, god is a ferry tail. for fuck sakes grow a spine and a brain to put on it
Pegases0 3 years ago
The supreme court should have never made the decission for gay marriage in the first place, without getting the citizens of california's vote. Now California has spoken, & they don't want gays to get married, so that's what it should be.
JahlilahPYT 3 years ago
Gays just want the LEGAL contract in marriage. Things involving health care & social security.. It's not about a church marriage.
I think it is wrong for the majority to tell the minority what they can do
RYANTUCKER4 3 years ago 3
Yes on 8 demonstrates how bigoted this society is, and how much the "freedom and justice for all" crap that they spew is just that. Priests should be rounded up and executed like in Russia and Spain earlier last century.
hectorbolshevik 3 years ago 3
Prop 8 is horrible it needs overturned it suxs really
CountryRox1991 3 years ago 3
Congrats. You "anti-gov't meddling" folks just used the government to meddle in people's personal affairs. Well done f*ckwads. Hey, you know what? I don't care much for interracial marriage. Let's ban that too! And women's suffrage? Pffft...
EarlMcCrackin 3 years ago 4
It is midnight in Wisconsin as I type. I am looking at the votes of Prop 8, as they're coming in. Right now, Prop 8 is winning by about 300,000 votes. But only 18% of precincts are reporting. You knwo what I'm doing? I am crying, even though I'm in Wisconsin. Cali + Conn + Mass were my HOPE that some day I will be able to marry. It is NOT up to YOU WHO I can MARRY. It is not up to the majority to oppress me, Californians, and all Gay People. Don't destroy that Hope your state gave us all.
SelfVendetta 3 years ago 2
Too bad!
thunderflash82 3 years ago
Aw, I worked really hard to squeez the jist of what I wanted to say into the allowable youtube comment length.. and all you say is too bad?
It is too bad, thats why that proposition is going down u_u
SelfVendetta 3 years ago
It's hard sometimes to think of something to say somebody when you agree with them.
greataff 3 years ago
i no the difference between the two i want to keep gay marriage its not going to hurt us why not why cant they be happy with their lover just like we do. its not fair its wrong
Kiledj 3 years ago
another Non-issue for singles. showing up multiple times for a "oooo so contrivertial" re-match. this is getting so lame and predictable.
Agogaraxis 3 years ago
I'm single too, but I would like the right to not be married, I don't want the government to make the decision for me because I'm gay.
Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
fook, that no on prop 8 that such bull crap just like we get married gays should have the right to its just stupidity and the fact that people don't want to change hello people the world is changing every minute of the day welcome 20th century.
Kiledj 3 years ago
So it is no on prop 8 for you, no on 8 keeps gay marriage.
Yes on Prop 8 overturns gay marriage
greataff 3 years ago
god does say its not ok to be gay but he also says you can sell you daughter, and you can own slaves but those are both very wrong aren't they?
ITSxMExBITCHx 3 years ago
prop 8 will be defeated.
c2thew 3 years ago 3
separation of church and state?? keep your religion out of my constitution!!!
jb030303 3 years ago 4
I am glad to see that actually the VOTE NO on PROP * ads seem to have more views. That could be a good sign that prop 8 might fail.
Vote NO on Prop 8!!!
EternalSSA 3 years ago 11
I assure you: God is mindful of His children, regardless of their sexual orientation, and the people who persecute those with same-sex attraction will have to face His judgment, which will be just, against them. He knows how to make everything work out, even if it is hard to trust Him at times.
slb1900000 3 years ago
avocadoreport: Unfortunately, the fact that same-sex couples would receive a marriage license from the government won't affect the damaging hate that others hide within themselves; regardless of what benefits and protections the government may provide, those people will still have their emotions within them. It's an understandable cause, but I personally do not agree that it's going in the right direction.
slb1900000 3 years ago
That is because we live in a free society. You are free to be as homophobic, racist and against religions as much as you like, so long as that does not prevent the freedoms of someone else.
Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
avocadoreport: A major reason why "separate but equal" was such a hurtful concept is that it was unequal in every way. The restrooms back then were "Male, Female, Colored" (essentially giving black people "their space," but cutting them out of the very benefits of having it, which were cleanliness and privacy in that case). "Black-child schools" literally could not have had
slb1900000 3 years ago
projectf90: Nowhere in the government has it yet been stated that homosexuality is normal. The rights you cited are non-discriminatory rights, which are not meant to be discriminated from one person due to a difference in sexual orientation.
If you want a true reading of how the law stood before the May ruling, it was this, in short
slb1900000 3 years ago
terms: "Homosexuals have the equal right to be married to someone of the opposite sex." The law was literally nondiscriminatory in this; homosexuals could get married just like anyone else. The fact that they couldn't get married to someone of the same sex is the cleft that people want made; homosexuals, by state law, could always get married. Your idea that the state law provided, or recognized, or treated as normal, same-sex marriage was based on a false premise.
slb1900000 3 years ago
avocadoreport: Not everyone reacts the same way to the same stimuli, even if it were possible for one child to receive every single stimulus that the other child receives (which is a logical and physical impossibility).
slb1900000 3 years ago
So, the difference being the biological aspect (induced hormonal ques in the mothers womb). I get that.
avocadoreport 3 years ago
avocadoreport: I won't say I understand what it feels like to be in your situation (it would be really shallow to say that; I actually don't know what you've had to suffer through in your life, undoubtedly because of ignorant and mean-spirited people who act on their arrogance). That it's a hard road, I don't doubt. That the hate would end today and never come back, I could only wish, because it poisons nearly all society nowadays. I hope you don't see my intentions as aggressive or hurtful.
slb1900000 3 years ago
thank you for that. but i wish you could understand what prop 8 really does mean. like i said earlier it will only empasis that there is a difference between people like me and people like you, and we should be seen as equals. as equals fairness prevails and hate is diminished. I probably won't change you mind because you fought me on everything I've said, but i hope you will continue to be kind to others.
avocadoreport 3 years ago
avocadoreport: Human psychology is often shaped by the internal reactions to external stimuli. For example, the way a mental illness (as an example only) is formed is by confusing a stimuli by giving it a contradicting or confused internal reaction; once it becomes second nature to make that erroneous reaction to that stimuli, the mental illness has already begun to form.
slb1900000 3 years ago
That's completely debunked with the fact that the same parents can raise one straight child and one gay. Same environment. The majority of people has some type of "mental illness" if you want to play by psychological standards. Do you know what messes children up even more, people hating them for who they are, that's why suicide rates among gays and lesbians are high, people like you. Ask any decent psychologist with an actual degree.
avocadoreport 3 years ago
Unfortunately, there are people that have hatred for people with same-sex attraction, and I do not know why nor condone their actions. Their grave mistakes, however, won't cause me to change my mind about this issue. Furthermore, the reception of a marriage license for same-sex couples will not increase tolerance for them in the world; those with irrational hate will continue to feel irrational hate.
slb1900000 3 years ago
excuse me but you are again wrong. Having the same rights and calling it something different is not equal. Separate but equal is not equal. Check into America's history. A yes on 8 will lead to more discrimination against gay American's. What will you tell your children why gay people can't get married? The answer will ultimately be derived from the root, the fact that you do not see gays as decent human beings, but as sinners, and that is discriminatory and full of hate!
avocadoreport 3 years ago
the same quality of education that the white schools had, since they didn't have the same teachers; it wasn't possible.
The same concept, however, cannot be equally applied to the gay rights movement. In this case, within the regulations of the state, a same-sex union receives every right and benefit that a heterosexual marriage couple receives; in this case, due to the nature of the instance, it is entirely possible to have the same rights and benefits without using the word "marriage."
slb1900000 3 years ago
Marriage is not owned by any one religion, so there should be no religious context to the word marriage in American laws about marriage. Marriage shouldn't be based on other peoples definition, wouldn't you agree? So since marriage is, in reality, just a contract, let your personal beliefs make up the real definition, but keep it within your family, and let me be able to do the same, because we are equal in America.
avocadoreport 3 years ago
avocadoreport: However, when the majority ruled in 2000 that same-sex marriage shouldn't be legalized in California, we have to be sure that not all of them were religious. It may sound strange that some who have no believe in God at all still don't agree with same-sex marriage. The people, based on their morals (which may be influenced by religion, of a person chooses to follow one), had voted on the issue; the U.S. government has always been guided by its own people.
slb1900000 3 years ago
Why do we have supreme court judges if majority always rules? Just a thought. I still don't understand what the big deal is. I've tried to look at both sides objectively, I've spent many hours on the protect marriage website and on youtube watching clips, all it has done is sadden me. Just think of all the families that will be torn if 8 passes, including myself. You have nothing to lose, and deep down you know it. I'm done with torturing myself with this.
avocadoreport 3 years ago
One more thing, the people are involved in the the election process of these judges by voting for a particular president that reflects their views and nominates them. So you can't really complain when they overturn rulings to make them reflect the laws and what's right according to the constitution. I have to swallow large pills to you know!
avocadoreport 3 years ago
Families won't be torn. A family is a man and a woman and children, God willing.
The gays have civil unions. The push to redefine "marriage" does not give them anything extra. It just provides a right to indoctrinate children and to ruin the basic unit of society- which is what happened in Sweden, along with a series of hate-inspired laws which call preaching the truth "hate".
The call evil what is good, and good what is evil. What a distortion!
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
You've got to be kidding me! You're selfish and ignorant about this issue. It's not about religion. No religion owns marriage, so stop trying to "doctrinate" me. Keep your religion to yourself, and I will do the same. I am no better than you as you are no better than I! We should be equal in every way under the law. Divisiveness and hate ruins societies. Oppressive religious rule ruins societies. Why do you think Christians broke from the Catholic church in the 15 century? You are wrong.
avocadoreport 3 years ago
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Marriage is the symbol used to convey the union of man to God. It is a living symbol. You want to corrupt that? God does many things to help us understand what is happening. Marriage is one of those things.
Genesis 1 says to produce fruit. Physically, this is 1 man + 1 woman to produce children. Spiritually, it is 1 person + GOD to produce Glory, believers & the Kingdom of God.
2 men produce no glory, no children, and satan's kingdom.
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
What does God say about lying, discriminating, and hate? Can you answer me?
moniequa 3 years ago
Don't ignore me, answer my question: Are in favour of having the ability to deny employment, housing or insurance benefits to gay people.
Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
I'm not ignoring legitimate questions. Your question has nothing to do with Prop 8.
You are going to answer to God for your work here. If you repent, He is merciful. God loves mercy, but He also requires of us to do what is right. Stop hating the gay people.
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
You said Prop 8 originally took away sexual orientation as a protected status and almost sounded like you agreed with that.
I love gay people, there's nobody I'd rather have sex with.
I'm the admin of this video, I'll tell you what's a legitimate question. Now are in in favour of employment and other non-marital discrimination or not? YES or NO.
Answer the question.
Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
Don't tell me what God says. My faith is between me and God not yours, or anyone's interpretation of it.
avocadoreport 3 years ago
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That certainly ceases to be true when you begin to serve satan and work to implement satan's will.
Perhaps in other things, you are obedient, but here- certainly not!
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
Marriage should be inclusive for every loving couple; that is equal, that is fair, and that is right. Calling it something different for gays and lesbians is unnecessary and divisive, which only instills the hate those already have, and makes it seem okay to treat people differently under the law. Stop trying to twist the logic.
avocadoreport 3 years ago 2
... and it's the right thing to do.
avocadoreport 3 years ago
Stop hiding behind smokescreens people, just admit that you are homophobic! You have the right to think, feel and say whatever non-threatening thing you want.
Stop with the lies of schools. If you admit you're a biggot, I actually respect that, because your honest and your mind cannot be changed.
Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
greataff: The right to vote was already taken from me once by a group of judges who gave an opinion that contradicted with the will of the people. I'm allowed to have my say in and my influence over the government and the country that I'm a citizen of.
I'm disturbed that, up until now, you have treated me with respect (which I have duly noted and appreciated). Your unlicensed and unnecessary use of insults at this point suggests that your reasons are at their end.
slb1900000 3 years ago
It's an insult to call a spade a spade?
You said "homosexuality is unnatural" and that you don't believe it's normal.
If you are not comfortable with homosexuality that's a valid opinion, just don't try to say schools are affected because that fact just isn't so.
Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
If one agrees that homosexuality goes against the natural use. Then it is 100% rational to protect innocent children from corruption of the flesh and its use.
Your rebuttals aren't rebuttals. They are just denials.
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
Nowhere in Prop 8 are schools mentioned. AJ actually brought in his attorney and looked up the laws, schools will continue teaching what they do even if Prop 8 passes.
If your reason for support is because you're homophobic good for you, but don't lie and tell try to tell us schools will be affected.
projectf90 3 years ago
Your lawyer did not charge a fee, I hope. In Massachusettes they teach man love to 2nd graders now. In SF, Gavin Newsome's officiated a wedding ceremony in front of 1st graders.
The children are an important target for satan.
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
Great Affinity's lawyer spends a few hours a week as our corporate attorney. Prop 8 is about CA, MA is under different laws (unlike MA, CA parents can pull kids out of evolution and other objectionable teaching)
PROP 8 DOES NOT CHANGE SCHOOLS
As for SFO, twas PARENTS who had the idea. Keep in mind that SFO is highly Democratic.
By the way, you never answered my prev. question if you thought it was okay to deny a job to a gay guy.
Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
>. In SF, Gavin Newsome's officiated a wedding ceremony in front of 1st graders.
Somebody didn't bother to do their own research, I see.
snipermagoo 3 years ago
You didn't do research either, if you READ the article in the SF Chronicle, parents permission was asked and 2 opted out.
This idea was presented by the parents of the students.
Don't forget domestic partnerships are still legally considered equal to marriage and prop 8 doesn't change that.
Several pro-prop 8 videos call marrige v dp, wordplay... Guess what? They're right.
Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
I did READ it, which is why I made the comment. What he said was wrong and I was noting that. It wasn't in front of the kids, because they were waiting outside.
I know it was presented by the parents. Why even mention it?
And what does 'legally considered' mean? They are demonstrably not the same under law. I didn't imply Prop 8 DID change that.
I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic or not about 'wordplay', so I'm just going to leave that one alone.
snipermagoo 3 years ago
OK, your comment was misunderstood as pro prop 8.
According to the videos produced by Prop8Supporter, and our lawyer domestic partnerships are technically the same as marriage, the diff is words and xfers 2 other places.
Thank you for your observant and misunderstood comment
Alexander James Cárdenas
Director - Great Affinity Productions
greataff 3 years ago
For clarity's sake....I quoted him because I wanted to comment on his failure to find things out for himself. It was NOT a jab at you, or a pat on his back.
snipermagoo 3 years ago
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the people have spokens yes on 8 americans let's stop them and keep it that way and cut that bullshit out saying it's a human rights things and civil rights wow gays not a right it's a choose.....
MACCAPONE60 3 years ago
If it wasn't natural, it wouldn't exist. Period. No matter what analogies you will try and use to say differently, anything that exist in nature is natural in the context of the definition of the word natural. It is not synonymous with "normal" which you so like to define it that way and try to make everyone else live by YOUR "God given" definitions. Absurd!
avocadoreport 3 years ago
keyword: YOUR!
avocadoreport 3 years ago
Stop interpreting God's word to fit your interpretation!
KnowJesusKnowPeace 3 years ago
"Stop interpreting God's word to fit your interpretation! "
You first.
cryan71 3 years ago 3
I don't speak for God and neither do you! Stop justifying hate by claiming it's Gods will. My beliefs are not of religious beliefs, they revolve around the basic concept of treating people how I'd like to be treated. Who would you be without the bible, honestly? Stop using it as excuses for everything ignorant; it can be used for good things too, you should put more effort into those aspects of the bible, that even I can appreciate.
avocadoreport 3 years ago
Enough is enough! Only the facts will answer everyone's questions and opinions. Please view the facts at: .com/watch?v=4JZIJnJWZBQ
LiluBob 3 years ago 2
I can't believe this is an issue. These bigots will soon want only Christians to marry Christians and not allow Whites to Marry Blacks... It's not about the Courts or About schools. It's about being complete bigots. Stop being soooo afraid and give equality for ALL.
Vote NO on Prop 8 and show the world that we are not bigots. GOD SAVE YOUR HATEFUL SOULS!!!!
616ssz 3 years ago