Kenjutsu Shiai - Nito VS Nito

[MrAltar133]

kendo is hard stuff

[godapproved]

I'm going going going going no no no no no wait im gonna strike no I'm not lol

[KangOhDayumn]

this is fucking terrible. the stance, the speed. brazil should just stick to soccer

[simaomagus1]

@KangOhDayumn

You re right,as well dickless freaks like you should stay in asian,instead contaminate other countries with your yellow disease.

[RaiceaAndrei111]

watching this is kinda boring.I'm sure if i was one of the two fighting i would feel HUGE pressure and time would fly by really quick,but viewing this is totally different

[akanotabibito]

剣道じゃない

[BobaTeaSunflower]

Terrible

[tandatokita]

what was wrong with the left kendoka's foot ???? @@ i'm tired of watching him shaking

[tmme1234]

The Hidden Teachings of Yagyu Shinkage Ryu (Ken Jutsu) with English Subtitles

watch?v=FfhtYKQ-iU0

[superRAZU]

the first 40 seconds were intense, a battle of the minds before the body

[cookiepwnsU]

the guy on the left looks like a pengiun when he waddles around like that

[Raphaell92]

Did they call them komoyaro or i misheard? :O

[stephen9200]

SiL3nc3 Please!!!..cat&mantis??!! LoL

[FalconMasterIII]

bagulho parado... todas as lutas disso são assim?

[Makenshi]

the stance is very different then typical nito stances...hmmmmmm

[Z1ptos]

Aff, que merda....deve ter muito esporte com espada melhor do que esse!

[4540524]

@Z1ptos melhor eu não garanto,mas nenhum vai te ensinar a filosofia samurai como esse.e,afinal,essa é a verdadeira arte da espada,depois de banirem os golpes,para que os policiais pudessem impor a lei com a espada,essa arte continuou usando tais golpes,tal que não é nem mesmo considerada esporte oficial.

[mimoaapp]

mano..que bosta... vcs pagam pra treinar isso??

[samking12]

who won i never seen this stuff before they both were getting hitts

[Defsolid]

You say kenjutsu shiai?! what school is that?

[lORDELO2]

did i also hear portugal portuguese?

btw nice SPORT

[Delmo67]

Superb Do cut at 1:45! Very nice technique!

[samuraimars]

the match was good, you could see the consentration as they weighed each other up, i want to learn niten ichi ryu, but sadly i can't find a school in my area. :(

[KebaFan]

yah well dipending on wher u live its ezr to find a dojo. i got luky n i got to live in japan for 2 years n lurn kendo, sojutsu, kayudo, n jujitsu, im going back to finaly become a menkyo kaiden

for now im only a kyu :(

at lest im not dan rank :)

[Dmkoh86]

when using nito for kendo, your suppose to grab the end of the shinai's tsuka, not the top portion of it. Both of the players are not holding the long shinais properly

[TheNothingIsAll]

that makes no scence. The shinai is representing the sword, and you hold the tsuka close to the tsuba. They are doing this the right way. Im a student of batto-do so dont think Im makin shit up.

[Delmo67]

that is an invention of Kendo. The way this match is set up in more like Kenjutsu. If you have hold of the end of the tsuka, and you go for a cut in real life you have the chance of losing the sword from a parry or breaking your wrist on impact. I know of what you are referring too, but it just not the way it is done in Kenjutsu.

[gui1542]

@Dmkoh86 the gyako no kamae is not a kamae in original kenjutso

[Kur0S4k1]

Niten ichi ryu si no me equivoco

[haha7755]

What rank were each of the two who were sparing? It seemed to me that the one on the left was a little less experienced than the one on the right. Other than that, the match was awesome. ^^

[Shibumi1979]

You have good eyes!

The one in the right has a higher grade, although the other have started practicing before. But he was away for a long time, so we can say that the one in the right has more experience.

[hitmankiddo]

@haha7755 you determined by the movement?i can see the one on the right is very calm while the left looks more nervous

[lakkam]

Nito versus nito, how... boring x_x

Go shodan no kamae!

[snakecharmer23]

Mei is des spannend!...

Ein Glück, das solche Shiais so selton vorkommen.

[bushi8]

niten is a defensive style. THat's why no one wants to make the first move. Its a counter hit style.

[Suigetsukanno]

@bushi8 I wouldn't say that. From traditional kenjutsu, two swords are a hall mark of both offense and defense. In context, a single sword has to go on the defensive more often than two swords, thus limiting its offensive capabilities.

But, also in context, nitou vs. nitou, it's really a standstill as both parties have two blades to worry about.

[superlinkinboy]

This is kendo

[DarkGott15]

Very cool, very techinic.

[chillout010]

Now this might be a silly question, but are you allowed to jump?? In some martial arts (eg: muay thai) you are allowed, and so you can deliver flying punches. They don't hurt much but they can catch your opponent by surprise.

[MBowker]

I think they exist but are not encouraged - almost impossible to score with a flying cut.

[takezoSP]

Very good!! I practice with Sidharta-sempai !

[dropduskdrop]

is it allowed to use your body too? besides the sword can you use pushes and punches?

[Shibumi1979]

You can use Taiatari (body push) and if you are using the shoto alone, you can grab the opponent arm or handle of the sword before hitting him.

[dropduskdrop]

is it allowed to hit legs?

[Shibumi1979]

No.

The valid targets are head, throath, forearms and torso.

[kendoka666]

no not in modern kendo ive been told in the old days leg sweeps where once used in kendo but on that im not 100% sure

[dropduskdrop]

I asked cause I wish to know how close to the real combat it is. I think rules in a fight take the aspect of a pure martial art. Yet is fact that some of them are needed for a good play.

[Shibumi1979]

Yes, you are right!! in Kenjutsu there are few rules, our Sensei try to make it the closest to real, possible with security.

[takezoSP]

Very good!!!!

[sungwon]

hmm why is the bigger daito in the right hand? and the left foot in front? for nito , you can have the daito in the left and your forward foot on the right, right?

[Shibumi1979]

The daito can be held in both hands, and the foot forward can also be any one. If you watch closely, you can notce that the left foot is not always forward. Close to he end of the video, around 2:15, the with competitor (who, btw, is me) changes the front foot.

There are many reasons why to choose grab the sword with a certain hand or to put a certain foot in front. If you want to know more, feel free to P.M me.

[risenclovenhoof]

Por que uso de Bogu em kenjutsu, só no Brasil?

[Shibumi1979]

O Sensei Jorge Kishikawa acha muito importante o treinamento de luta com bogu para entender a lógica do combate. Por esta razão, dentro do Instituto Niten, o treinamento de Kenjutsu com bogu tem o mesmo peso do treinamento de kata. Os dois são praticados com a mesma seriedade.

No Japão alguns dojos utilizam bogu em suas práticas, como por exemplo o Suio ryu e Nito Shinkage Ryu, dentre outros.

Há outros casos também mundo afora, como a Federação de Kendo Clássico dos EUA.

[KYPCKDIVER]

ive never seen nito VS nito....

amazing...thanks for posting your videos!!!!

:o)

5 starz

[ShadowofLight1987]

I make a experiment with a friend and a real Armor. I make Kendo with one sword, my friend with two swords like this. All atacks from me destroy the Armor. My friend can only make hit the armour but his sword attacks are to slow, and not strong enough. When we fight, he block my attacks and hit me. So i must go out of his range and use my longer range. But it is very difficult. I dont no but i think a twosword fighter win against a normal man. But against a Samurai in heavy Armour he lose.

[abunigel13]

i think left hand holding the daito is more common in kendo because in kendo, power coming form the left hand is heavily emphasized. The right is supposed to serve simply as direction and control for the most part. Similar to jodan no kamae, when most strikes are done with the left hand only because thats where the power should be coming from.

[IshiYamaRyuSeattle]

That is true to a certain extent. However, it is generally done because it is easier to strike migi kote with the daito in the left hand. I believe in kendo rules the hidari kote does not count for a point if your opponent is in chudan (even if you technically hit it). Therefore having the daito in the right hand limits the number of available point zones that you can strike effectively, which is why gyaku nito is generaly favored in kendo.

[Shibumi1979]

Talking from my experience, I prefer using the daito in the right hand. I don't think it is too difficult hit the migi kote, that is just a matter of centering the strike and have strong tenouchi. In the beginning it can be difficult, but with proper training becomes natural.

[Shibumi1979]

I am left handed, and most people think hat because of that I should prefer holding the daito in the left hand. But I prefer using my left hand to the kodachi, that is were the opportunities of the strikes appears. Also, having the kodachi in my left hand add more seme to my nito kamae.

Just my 2 cents...

[IshiYamaRyuSeattle]

I've read some theories that suggest that Musashi was also left handed, and yet he also held the daito in the right hand as well. He was skilled at actually throwing the shoto with his left hand, which is one of the reasons some think he may have been left handed. This would take the opponent off guard since, if you assumed he was right handed, you wouldn't expect him to throw the sword with his left. I read other schools that practiced this technique though i'm not sure if they are around.

[Shibumi1979]

That makes sense, given that Musashi Sensei was famous for his abilities to throw blades.

[IshiYamaRyuSeattle]

Our technique generally uses the daito in the right hand as well. I do, however, remember some discussion regarding the prevalence of gyaku nito in kendo, and the general consensus was that it was because of the limits of kendo rules regarding strikes to migi kote.

[Dragonnite45]

lol,look at the guy on left,he's shaking and moving ike mad while that other guy is as still as stone,lol

[theoneandonlymalik]

i would have been shaking too!

[itsumonihon]

it's just a different way of intimidating the opponent. the other guy never knows when the attack will come because you're always moving. on the flip side, the guy standing still looks completely confident and ready so the opponent never knows when he should attack.

[XD4133]

the other guys is trying to think ahead the shaking guy no the left is very hyper XD! he thinking i have to win and i have to not get hit XD!

[kamot3000]

2:22 - 2:24

nice

[wizaad]

of course peace being the lack of struggle and struggle being the sole component of growth it only makes sense that true sincere complete martial arts will wither and die like a plum blossom refusing to bloom with out a harsh winter.

[Dragonnite45]

I'm srry?

[itsumonihon]

what a bunch of horse shit. and you're only 20. quit trying to be like some fucking chinese mystic and speak normally.

[wizaad]

also kobudo translates as old warrior ways. nowadays most martial arts are dead or dying, its unfortunate but the quality and tradition as well as the highest reaches of the arts are fading. even many grandmasters around the world are loosing the upper levels. it is sad that we have settled for a corpse of an art but perhaps martial arts in the eye of society cannot thrive during peaceful times.

[abunigel13]

well i know as a fellow martial arts enthusiast, how you feel, wanting to keep the real tradition of those arts alive. However we have to remember that back when they did the "real" thing, they were training it for warfare (life and death,) and with that, people would get killed in training. Hence they made modern day kendo etc. so that we can continue to keep the arts alive without the risk of death or serious injury, in a time when that kind of training is simply unnecessary.

[Rafiu]

what the hell??????? better dont write!

[wizaad]

kobudo are old traditional martial arts that have survived westernization and modernization for the most part. kobudo are an endangered treasure and comparitively there are are fewer and fewer people who still train and work hard to keep them alive and well. they require magokokoro(sincere heart) as does any mastery. kendo to my knowledge is a watered down SAFE sport verison of kenjutsu which is a watered down system of battle field sword work. look hard for a real kobudo dojo, u wont regret it.

[itsumonihon]

shows how much you know, kenjutsu is watered down? why don't you invite yourself over to japan. i'll personally take you to see some 'watered down' battlefield sword.

[SotoGx89]

haha, that was so cool

[Moominvalley]

hmmm... so what's the difference between kobudo and kendo?

[chainz30]

Traditional Japanese martial arts are divided into modern, gendai budo, and ancient, koryu budo or kobudo. Gendai budo refers to forms that were established after the Meiji restoration (1868), an era of major modernization in Japan, while kobudo refers to systems founded prior to that period.

[chainz30]

Traditional Japanese martial arts are divided into modern, gendai budo, and ancient, koryu budo or kobudo. Gendai budo refers to forms that were established after the Meiji restoration (1868), an era of major modernization in Japan, while kobudo refers to systems founded prior to that period.

[azninvazn123]

isnt nito suppose to have the long shinai in left hand? I do nito and i am always told to hole on left.

[Shibumi1979]

The Daito can be in any hand, depends on the strategy.

When daito is hold by the left hand, as you mentioned, it is called Gyaku Nito. It is better for hitting kote.

[mrji]

is there a style with daito in both hands?

[Shibumi1979]

Nop...

[munisaimyamoto]

beau combat

[fqwhgaaads]

Just wondering, in Brazilian kenjutsu, do they only do nitoryu with the daito in the right hand? All other kenjutsu videos with nitoryu has them all using the right hand instead of the left.

[pchou]

2:21 sweet!!

[GaussianInteger2]

Pretty good, but the audience is annoying...

[resneszz]

the audience is so loud...

[kazumichanxD]

Parabéns!!!

Boa competição de kenjutsu xD

[jawadahmad77]

is there any footage of someone using a katana and a wakizashi together?

[KendoBR]

Very good!

Great seme and concentration!