I believe Logic alone is a belief system. To even test elements of situations needs faith that you're testing the right elements to an argument. To prove god true or false, is a futile argument. Every word of the bible may not be correct (we don't know the right element to test) but on the other hand, there are verses which if god DID exist, they would be perfectly fit verses.
How can we test how heavy the universe is for example if we can't weigh it?
@hammerandnails777 He's not trying to get laws passed, using scare mongering dogma, &/or ostracizing for not conforming to his beliefs. Now that's an actual example of imposing.
Not this freedom of speech video which you where free to watch or not watching is your choice & is not imposing in any way shape or form. If you're ignorant of the definition of impose that is excusable if you understand your wrong if not refer to video 0 in this series
Interesting that you tell lies, in attempt to point out supposed lies that Christian's tell. One such lie in this video which you stated was that before anyone invented any god, everyone was an atheist. That is a blatant lie of great magnitude. Fact is, there was never a point in human history in which everyone was an atheist.
Why do atheists lie? Where is your proof that "before any civilized thoughts, everybody was an atheist." That's a lie. Another lie is that all babies are atheists. Whereas babies are neutral in their thinking about whether or not any god exists, atheists are pro-active in their thoughts by stating the evidence for a supernatural being is lacking. Lastly, atheism's non-belief in gods is at the same time a belief that no god exists.
" Lastly, atheism's non-belief in gods is at the same time a belief that no god exists."
Do you believe in Kaplanecs? In Storchauns? In Iriderites? I made up those words, but now, according to *you*, you are holding beliefs that they do not exist. According to *you*, you are holding active beliefs that none of 10,000+ gods men have invented do not exist. That's a lot of "beliefs"! According to you, your head would be full of things you don't believe. It's absurd.
before human civilization invented gods everybody was an atheist...
what a load of crap
where do you think the "civilization " invented gods from and when did this exactly happen?
this is showing lack of understanding of logic psychology and history.
children are natural born dualists, and they would eventually come to a conclusion that there is a god whether anyone told them. And t was common knowledge to Neanderthals that "thunder" and "earthquaqe" are caused by gods.
@niinja2 I agree with you that ancient babies may have grown up and invented gods with or without someone telling them (in fact, that's were the first concepts of gods did come from) out of their dualistic nature, the same nature that drives modern children to create imaginary friends. But in the same way we encourage adults to discard their childhood imaginary friends modern humans are no longer dependent on theology and myth to explain their universe nor to satisfy their dualism.
Christians who attack atheism know that the best form of defence is attack. All they have to do is put up some straw men and we are forced onto the defensive. They know that their arguments are absurd but just putting Atheism onto the defensive makes it look weak.
This is why politicians and lawyers rarely respond to an attack with a long rebuttal, they quickly dismiss it and then attack back.
The correct response to all their bollox is "No. So you believe it was a magical Hippy?"
@Not1delusion I think we are much more on the attack than we used to be and that it what is provoking these stupid Christian counter attacks. They know that defence is useless because it is indefensible, so they put straw men and knock them down again or try to divert the argument by dragging in Stalin or something equally as irrelevant.
there is also no way to prove god exists.I was a christian for 23 years,prefering to listen to the preacher on sunday instead of actually reading the bible myself cover to cover.what I found was appalling.not only are there contradictions in the bible,but it condones the murder of babies.I then looked into science and found that everything the preacher said regarding it were lies meant to further the church agenda of getting my money.I see no positive proof of a god,hence I no longer believe.
1) The hate group known as the KKK has meetings and care about an issue.
2) Anti-whale-hunting advocates having meetings and care about an issue.
3) Therefore, anti-whale-hunting advocates are a hate group.
Or wait.. the KKK are a religion? Religion is a hate group? That's what you get when you mix up essential characteristics of a group with those of a larger category.
CLASSICAL ATHEISM IS THE POSITION THAT THEIR IS NO GOD!!!!!!!!! Why are you ignoring this? What you are describing is agnosticism. Atheist: Oh yeah God doesn't exist. Theist: Cool, give me an argument. Atheist: Oh, atheism is simply the lack of belief in God. You see, there just isn't enough evidence for God. What!? We have positive evidence that there is no Santa Clause, Tooth Fairry, or Easter Bunny! Don't call your self an atheist, then give the definition for an agnostic.
@Sweddude Sure, According to the myth of the Tooth fairy, the afore mentioned fairy gives money to kids when they lose a tooth and place under their pillows at night. It is said that the fairy replaces the tooth with money after the child falls asleep. If the tooth fairy exists, then we should observe children who place a tooth under their pillow to receive money every time they fall asleep. We do not observe this, therefore the Tooth fairy does not exist.
@FatalKnight Oh no you missunderstand, the money under the pillow is just a methaphor for that the child will be one experience richer, just like jesus said even salt eventually loses its flavour.
@Sweddude That is inconsistent with the myth of the Tooth Fairy. We do have good reason to think that there was a man named Jesus and he gave such teachings. We have documents(Bible) that presents his teachings. Now it would be foolish for you to just right off the text as wrong just because you think the belief system of the Bible is wrong. We know Socrates had untrue beliefs, but we still trust the documents of his teaching, some of which were written a long time after his death.
@FatalKnight Actually the existance of Sokrates is questioned by quite a lot of historians, and the credibility of the bible can easily be questioned by the many self contradictions it makes (such as saying one thing and then saying the exact oposite) i could point out over a dossen of those contradictions.
And my main point is still valid, one canot prove that something exists without defining the thing being dissproven, especially not when the characteristics change all the time.
@Sweddude "one canot prove that something exists without defining the thing being dissproven, especially not when the characteristics change all the time." If that is your point, then I missed it. I was commenting on the atheistic tendency to commit the appeal to ridicule fallacy, that is to say that just because a belief is unusual, then therefore it is false. Which is completely up-surd. Could you then explain to me how the characteristics of the Christian deity has changed over time?
@FatalKnight Ofc the christian belief will be ridiculed sinces it goes against virtually everything we know about reality.
And if you try arguing with a christian you hear that god is all loving, then why does he punish those who dont belive? you hear that he is omniscient but that would take away free will and all the self contradictions in the bible, and i never said change over time, i said change during an argument, such as the toothfairy cash under pillow metaphor.
@Sweddude Do you even know how to define reality? You say God is omniscient and that means there would be no freewill. God's foreknowledge does not necessarily mean he predestined our lives. If you believe our consciousness can be reduced to deterministic processes then there is no freewill on that view anyway. Something is required for our consciousness to be free, hinting the word freewill. It can not be a result of cold processes in the brain, if so, then freewill is an illusion.
@FatalKnight In a sense free-will is an illusion, because if someone knew all the factors then he/she would be able to know beforehand how a person will act, but the factors that has to be taken into account are insanely massive in quantity.
If a God is omniscient then it knows everything that was, is and will be, thus that God would already know even before a person is born if they will go to heaven or hell and will indeed know every single thing that person will do, then where is free will?
@ 0:50 I always thought that picture was meant to be a caricature? Just like the one for Christianity that begins with "Christianity: the believe that a cosmic jewish zombie...".
@ 1:31 Your definition in the very beginning leaves open the possibility that atheism can mean a positive affirmation of the non-existence of gods. If you aren't trying to deny that atheism is a belief, my apologies for making a moot point. But So many times I see atheists saying that atheism itself isn't a belief.
I believe most interpretations of word "God" are in contradiction with observed contemporary reality, history and nature of the universe as a whole as we know it, and as such cannot be true.
I believe some interpretations of the word "God" are unprovable, or have not been proven yet, and so there is no reason to believe in them.
I believe the rest of interpretations of the word "God" are meaningless, and are ultimate unable to describe whatever the person might mean.
if it were a belief system it would be more organized and would have the people at atheist gatherings would all come up with similar opinions on most moral subjects
I work with a Christian a apologist that likes to use the term "universal negative" He says that I can't prove a negative. I said " God probably doesn't exist " he said that I was wrong and my reasoning was flawed because it;s a universal negative. How do I rebut his argument? ............I really liked your smurf analogy, hope you don't mind if I use it. I also hope you can make another video using this term.
I work with a Christian a apologist that likes to use the term "universal negative" He says that I can't prove a negative. I said " God probably doesn't exist " he said that I was wrong and my reasoning was flawed because it;s a universal negative. How do I rebut his argument? ............I really liked your smurf analogy, hope you don't mind if I use it. I also hope you can make another video using this term.
I work with a Christian a apologist that likes to use the term "universal negative" He says that I can't prove a negative. I said " God probably doesn't exist " he said that I was wrong and my reasoning was flawed because it;s a universal negative. How do I rebut his argument? ............I really liked your smurf analogy, hope you don't mind if I use it. I also hope you can make another video using this term.
I work with a Christian a apologist that likes to use the term "universal negative" He says that I can't prove a negative. I said " God probably doesn't exist " he said that I was wrong and my reasoning was flawed because it;s a universal negative. How do I rebut his argument? ............I really liked your smurf analogy, hope you don't mind if I use it. I also hope you can make another video using this term.
Damn, the first time I watched this vid, my niece was crawling all over me like I was a jungle gym... I completely missed the part near the beginning about the Atheistic evangelists and weekly meetings. Funny stuff! ;-)
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You would be better off stating that the bible is made up of anecdotal statements...
Except these include statements of geography and anthropology which have been observed and confirmed. (i.e. the existence of the philistines, multiple cities including jericho, bethseda, city of david, etc.)
There are also architectural details explained such as the pool described where Jesus healed the blind. Also confirmed.
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You have serious misconceptions of the concept of 'hell' and what it really means. I'll take the Aristotelian method and let you figure it out yourself. : )
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I'm with the author and neuroscientist Sam Harris in regards to Atheism (and indeed ANY form of the word, e.g. Atheist). "Atheism" is quite simply a non-sensical label. As Sam has stated, "no one wakes up in the morning and feels compelled to remind himself that he's a non-astrologer or non-alchemist. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. Atheism is simply a refusal to deny the obvious."
@Funkyflorist I find it funny that you still lecture me on Greek even after U know my background...well, at least to an extent. Conversationally, we've gone AS FAR AS WE CAN. I have no beliefs, unbeliefs, disbeliefs or non beliefs. I THINK and therefore I am. I have thoughts, hopes and knowledge but forms of the word belief r nonsensical to me. Sam Harris applies positively NO fallacy of defective induction. No begging, either. U strike me as a person who MUST have the last word so by all means
@wonkothemagicelf /sigh, YOU are making the fallacy by referencing Harris... You also side-step the topic of the Greek Root of the word because you have no proper rebuttal.
(ATHEOS = NO GOD/s, ISM = Belief, Principles)
Begging is right here; "Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. "
Your premise assumes itself to be true (begging the question).
You're out of your league, you don't even know what 'hell' means.
@Funkyflorist So HAVE you concluded that there are NO systems which could be irrational and chaotic? If so, on what do you base this conclusion and do you have evidence that supports this conclusion?
In your mind, are all "beliefs" too chaotic and irrational to be a system?
Pointless line of reasoning, if there is chaos in a system does that mean its not a system?
Have you heard of a Bell Curve? There are outliers, also called 'six sigma events'. You can have a perfect system, but just because there is chaos it doesn't mean its NOT a system.
You've ironically asserted that Atheism IS a system. Thank You.
(To answer your first question; Water Cycle, Solar Systems, Atoms, Cells, Molecules, etc.)
@Funkyflorist Nope sorry, that was YOUR line of reasoning and inane though it was your attributes within a system are in error. Too many assumptions on your part but I really don't care to hear your "line of reasoning" as it may exist. Your further assertion that I have asserted that Atheism is a system is completely without merit. Bell Curve??? gee, let's see, yes, heard of that back in grade school. 3 posts and u STILL haven't answered my questions so no point furthering this nonsense....
@Funkyflorist Sorry, your defintion (or the definition you found) for "ism" is not the ONLY defintion for "ism". ALL of the following are also definitions for "ism" : doctrine, a policy advocated, a particular principle, a theory of thought and a body of teachings. So to say that "ism" is the "set of beliefs", depends upon where one gets his/her definitions. More accurate to say that "ism" CAN BE defined as a set of beliefs.
And none of the examples you cited contradict my assertion " 'ism' is the set of beliefs."
Now if you would like to re-write every college text on the Greek language and its influence on English language in an attempt to 'change' the root of the word 'Atheist' go right ahead...
@Funkyflorist You and I simply disagree. I never stated your defintion was not a valid one. Merely that there are other meanings for the suffix "ism" Funny you should mention Greek... I was not only married to one at one time but also have co-written several Greek texts. Lucky guess on your part.
inb4 - Supreme Court says 'Atheism is a Religion'.
The ONLY
ONLY reason the Supreme Court says that 'Atheism is a Religion' is so that Atheists are PROTECTED by the first amendment of the Constitution.
So if a Fuck-tard Theist tries to stab me in a parking lot, I can have him jailed for a "Hate Crime".
The Supreme Court ruled Atheism a "legal" religion to protect us. So if you Theist Morons try using this Freudian Excuse, I'll only laugh at you =^_^=.
the big bang according to the laws of the universe is impossible, there are only two ways the universe could exist.
1. just like energy, matter, space and time the universe is eternal. it has always been and will always be, it can not be created or destroyed, it has no beginning or end.
2. some sort of god created it. if this was the case gods existence would be incomprehensible. how could we understand how something exists outside of what we know to be existence (the universe).
@homer091 Yes but if it were eternal, according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, everything would be dust because over time all matter degrades into dust.
@ZuneXL That's not exactly true. Matter does not turn into "dust" and that is not what the Second Law of Thermodynamics describes. Matter always remains matter (or is turned into energy if it comes into contact with anti-matter but that still isn't "dust"), and the SLT describes transitions between entropies in a system.
@homer091 You obviously don't understand the big bang theory, we don't know what caused it, but that certainly doesn't mean that is proof of god, and we know the universe was not always this way because the universe is expanding, both of your assumptions are wrong......
If atheism is simply a lack of belief in God, then my cat, a tree, or a newborn baby are all atheists. I'm a student of anthropology personally, so I won't comment on most of your video, but the fact is that a worldview is a lot less harmful than you're making it out to be, and atheism certainly falls under the anthropological definition of a worldview.
I have to call you out on that last point. Did I understand you correctly that you concider a stance on one single topic to encompass a world view? Any anthropological definition I know of encompasses several areas (contents vary) where theology is just one. Or would you also claim that all theists share the same world view? Hindus, Muslims and old school pagans - all one and the same? Of course not. Their only obvious point of agreement is that there's one or more god/s.
I'm sorry--I miscommunicated. Atheism in itself is not a worldview, but a religious stance is arguably one of the more important parts of a worldview. Also, like you have answered, theism itself is not a worldview (much as Christianity itself isn't, despite what many Christians want to believe). I was just trying to get across that atheism is about as central to a worldview as any other religious stance, anthropologically speaking.
OK, that makes a lot more sense. I still don't fully agree with you though. While a theistic belief (99% of the time) comes with dogma that informs pretty much every part of your life, atheism is simply the rejection of theistic belief, dogma included. If atheism was a religious stance you'd be right, but it's not. it's a non-stance. Theology is therefore about as central to an atheist as stamps are to a non-philatelist.
@Freecube - "If atheism is simply a lack of belief in God, then my cat, a tree, or a newborn baby are all atheists."
Yes and no. For a belief to be held, or rejected, the proposition must have been considered. So, your cat could be an atheist (and in my opinion is, along with everything else that doesn't hold a belief in a god) but the other side is that which I stated.
@Freecube - "atheism certainly falls under the anthropological definition of a worldview."
But it's not. The only reason it's considered as such is because of the actual number of theists. So what's the threshold on that? How many people have to say 'witches exist' before the people who don't say it have an unwitchist world-view?
If people weren't running around saying "A god exists!!" it wouldn't even get a mention from atheists.
The naturalism vs supernaturalism dichotomy might justifiably be said to be two world-views, but atheism is by no means a world view.
When will people understand that Atheism is a response to Theism which is itself a positive belief. Atheism is the negation of a belief -- it's a response. Atheism is to Theism as baldness is to a hairstyle
Even the people prior to ANY religion would NOT be Atheists. They'd be nothing insofar as this discussion goes. You have to have a Theism before Atheism.
I have to diagree with you a little. The problem is with Labels. I personally hate labels, but they are here and now today to define the positions.
The majority of Atheists today if there was never any religion would not be Atheists they would simply be people. A minority actively disbelieve in god, but even they if there was not religion would not exist.
The problem lies in the word used to describe a wide and varied group of people.
Religion is an extension of our subconscious desires and fears. It is a mechanism we evolved because it helped us survive in our distant past. Now that we have developed a technologic global society, and we are dealing with the problems we have... it has become a destructive force, rather then one that provides some kind of balance of power over others. It's really just what our collective psyche would "like" to believe. That there's a big father figure in the sky whose watching and loves us.
I've noticed people continually confusing atheism with secularism. Atheism is the belief that there is no god. Secularism is the absence of any belief in god, including that god does not exist.
@Blackfish100 atheism is not a belief in anything, it's also not a belief in nothing, it's an absence of belief. positing that a god or gods do not exist is called antitheism. secularism is worldliness, it's a socio-political stance that focusses on life on earth, without making comment on spirituality.
Wrong. Merriam-Webster online Dictionary: Atheism: a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity.
Anti-theism doesn't even come up.
Secularism: indifference to or rejection or exclusion of religion and religious considerations. Nothing socio-political about that. It's not even an ideology.
Seriously, do you not have a dictionary? Do you hate terminology so such that you have to redefine everything or even invent words? What is wrong with you?
@Blackfish100 a dictionary provides common usage, not definition. i can't believe i'm saying it but atheism is a belief like bald is a hair color. antitheism more accurately describes a rejection of gods. you're right about secularism, it's not an ideology, but you've changed your definition since your original comment.
i attempted to provide a relevant definition to clarify your original error, i'm not looking for a fight over something so frankly insignificant.
Common usage? Oh, so when I look up 'atheism definition' and it comes up on the MWOD under the word 'definition', what it really means to say is 'common usage'. Now I know you dont have a dictionary. Heres the meaning of dictionary: 1: a reference source containing words with information about their forms, pronunciations, functions, etymologies, *meanings*, and syntactical and idiomatic uses. Meaning is synonymous with definition. Anti-theism isnt a word!
Of course I'm right. The entire reason I got into this is because I couldn't believe you were wrong! What kind of person identifies themselves as something without knowing what that something is? Are you daft?
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So atheists don't believe there's no God, supernatural realm, miracles, sin, objective morality? Atheists don't believe in scientific naturalism/materialism, that they can trust their senses, that all that's true is scientifically verifiable, that religion is illogical/irrational, that there's no underlying purpose in life? Wait, they believe all of these; at least most atheists do. Atheism is a belief system; atheists subscribe to certain beliefs & actions because of their atheism
Idiots like you say that not collecting stamps is still a hobby, and you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Atheists dont subscribe to anything. Dont be a retard. Because we disbelieve in your Magic Man, THAT earns people the title "atheist", NOT because of anything else.
rational atheists make no comment on the existence or otherwise of something for which no objective testable evidence has been presented.
that two atheists share a set of moral values is not because of their lack of belief in the magical. it simply happens that people who don't have blind faith in magic tend to be rational enough to come to common, generally "nice" or even "humanist" views.
Um, you say atheists don't make any comments on god, yet in the same sentence you say there is no objective, testable evidence present about god. That is saying something about god...
@Blackfish100 they make no comments on the existence of gods. i'm simply stating that no testable evidence has been presented for the existence of gods, though of course this doesn't prove or disprove anything. the absence of evidence is not in itself an argument for or against anything.
@Blackfish100 you dont need to subscribe to a believe in order to state a fact. It is a fact that there is no evidence for god. So...what? You think atheists arent allowed to say that sentence?
Actually, it's impossible to make any objective (factual) statements about god, because god has no objective definition. You can't say jack about something when you don't even know what it is.
@Blackfish100 Sure you can make statements about god....you simply have to define what type of god you are referring and what kind of characteristics it has.
You've missed the point entirely. How do you know that what you are referring to is in fact god and not just someone's opinion? When you refer to the gods central to certain religions such as Christianity, are you claiming that these religions know what god is? How do they know and more importantly, why take their word for it when you would most certainly be dismissive of all their other claims like talking snakes and virgin births?
No I see what you are trying to say lol, but you dont actually understand what subjective, and objective definitions are. A subjective definition is a definition which, on its own requires interpretation of the reader.
I dont claim to know any of that, the person making the claim that a "god" exists is required to first define god, then give reasons. You can in fact make an objective defintion of god. Maybe not one that everyone excepts but thats not what objective means.
If atheism WERE a belief system, I'm pretty sure that religious people would have to treat us with more respect. Have some "interreligious dialog" as happens with others sometimes.
Also, I don't like that symbol that some atheist societies use. It's an incorrect version of the Bohr model of the atom, which itself has been superceded by the "atomic orbital" or "electron cloud" model. It's sort of cool, because it looks like an "A", but I don't use it.
I enjoyed you videos and fully subscribe to your views. I have never felt the 'need' for there to be a God. God was developed in paleolithic times to explain the inexplicable.
Great vids, I subscribed. True that Buddhists are atheists, but don't they still believe in some kind of afterlife and reincarnation, wandering ghosts etc?
Well, it's true that some Buddhists believe in those things, but even an atheist can believe in ghosts, reincarnation and an afterlife. The only thing required to be an atheist is a lack of belief in deities. That said, of course most atheists I have encountered don't not believe in anything supernatural, but atheism in and of itself doesn't not preclude a belief in those things.
As a Taoist, i feel left out of hte whole 'god' debate and have look for my gate way into the conversation. but you my friend have summed it all up for me. thanks for the mention of the Tao since we are the only religious group on earth that have the rationale to deliberate from Fact/Fantasy.
no not true at all we have legends and myths that depict the teachings of gods and goddess' that through the Tao and ancient masters such as Lao Tzu and Cheung Tzu. these were real men that taught morality of leadership to government and the emperors and magistrates. how ever to 'make' them 'immortal' they were turned into gods and the hoopla but we always refer to them as myth and legends. there are some links and story on my channel if you wanna take a look.
320iguy: Thanks for the clarification. I had read the Tao Te Ching and Huahujing quite some time ago but never looked into Taoism's history beyond these two books. I'll check out your channel and hope I can pick your brain to learn more.
sure no problem feel free to sub and hang out i am going to go into the Jade emperor in the next week or so i am just waiting to hear back from some people i ask for the research i was doing.
finding some of the books and legends is hard to do some times.
I'm sorry but you would be incorrect.Atheism is a belief.Theism is acceptance of the fact that god exists.Atheism is the acceptance of the fact that god does not exist.Both are beliefs.You cannot have a non belief.Belief by it's very definition is a state of mind where a person concludes that certain states of affairs are true or false based on evidence.I suggest you go to Stanford's dictionary on philosophical terms to better acquaint yourself with the meaning of belief and how it applies.
yogitoad i'm assuming your a religious person, so if half of the world say that their believe in you does that make you a god? everyone believes in love. what, should they make it a religion and make LOVE a god? come on now. and what about other gods you don't believe in them, so you've just form another religion by not believing.
Again I will reiterate that you go to Stanford's Dictionary of Philosophical Terms and find out what "belief" means and how it applies. And no I am not a religious person, I am an atheist.
The problem is that almost all atheist dont say god doesnt exist. They simply say they dont know if god exists. However they do assume god doesnt exist is their daily lives. Why? Because there are infinit unproven things. You either have to live under the assumption all are true, or none. Since living under millions of contradictionary statements is impossible, we assume none.
No assumptions, no belief. You however do not only accept god exist, first you assume it.
I'm sorry but you are wrong, again I will re-direct you to Stanford's encyclopedia of philosophy to understand what belief is and how it works. Any time you draw a conclusion on any subject, it is a belief.
I'm sorry but someone who professes not to know that a god exists is called an Agnostic. An atheist is a person who forms an opinion against the existence of god. Actually the earliest atheists believed two things, that there were no minor gods but one highest entity, or no higher entity but only minor deities . Atheism comes from greek philosophy,it only later narrowed down to the belief in no gods after Atomism came about.
But atheism isnt about knowing, it is about living under the assumption that god doesnt exist. We do that because even though we dont know if god exists, there is no evidence for it and to remain consistenent we have to assume all unproven things are false. You do the same, only you are inconsistent in that you make an exception for your view of your god.
It does not matter how you come to your conclusion, once you have drawn a conclusion that is your belief whether it's a belief in non existence or existence. For instance you believe in atoms don't you?Well why?You have never seen one,and I'll bet you don't know anyone who has seen one either, yet you believe in them.Why,because someone whom you trust has told you they exist.Your belief in atoms is based on faith,not knowledge.
Ah, but there is evidence for atoms, not for god. I dont believe in them out of faith, but out of evidence. But basicly atheism inst belief but lack of belief. An atheist to zeus like you might be a theist in regard to the christian god. Atheism just tells you what someone doesnt believe, because atheism is the sheer absence of a conclusion.
Well you accept that their is evidence,but science has been known to be wrong,and fraudulent,not in this case,,but you don't have knowledge of the existence of atoms,so by definition of what faith is,you have faith in the evidence of them .Atheism,is defined by the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy to be a "belief" system.Understand? Also,Atheism originated,actually in India,but moved over to Greece where it initially stood for someone who believed in one supreme being instead of many.
Ah, but the great thing about science is that it is the best known explanation. When the best explanation ends up being false, we search for a better explanation, so science improves. Religion on the other hand is dogmatic and doesnt change, even when it is wrong and fraudulent.
Also, strong/hard/idiotic atheism is a belief system, but that is just because that is the belief that there is no god. The problem is that there are barly people on this earth who truely believe that.
I'm going to assume,that you are a person of high intellect that is guffawing or that you are a person of low intellect since, no standard is higher than the Stanford Dictionary.
Dictionary onlly try to capture what words mean to people, it are people that use them. Dictionarys are never going to be anywhere close to perfect. And the dictionary usually arent made by people who are good at logic, just by langues pures.
But quote me the entire definition, in the likely case they put down the definition better than you recite it.
Of course dictionaries are ambiguous and useless pieces of shitI don't know why we even pay attention to them, we should just make up words or use words as we please with no regard for content. And you're right, the dumb asses at Stanford are a bunch of illogical dip shits just making dictionaries for shits and grins. As far as a direct quote from the dictionary, why don't you do some of your own damn research, correcting you has made me tired,motherfucker.
They arent useless, they are meaningfull to find the genral meaning of words, they arent meant to base arguments on in debate. And since I have seen religious people misquote the dictionary in an attempt to win arguments, I want the exact quote. Since it would take a few days and about 15 euro's to get a stanford dictionary to the netherlands (way to much to spend on a youtube comments debate) , getting the full and exact quote from you is the only way.
Dictionary is wrong. God got nothing to do with a belief. Its a product, sold by a big business called religion. I don't understand what is a purpose of atheism when the whole purpose of theism is money and power.
Absolutely you applied beliefs to its actual meaning in your argument. When do not have an opinion either way then you are without belief or have no belief.When you form an opinion,either by evidence or lack thereof,you have a belief.
"When you form an opinion,either by evidence or lack thereof,you have a belief. " I have an opinion about religions and gods, the supernatural......so therefore I believe in those things?? Bullshit. I have strong opinions about fundamentalist religious extremists and their impact on our world. Does that mean I "believe" in them?
"Theism is acceptance of the fact that god exists"
"FACT"?? If it was a fact, then there would be no need for faith. And it could be verified.
I don't have a "belief" that Santa Claus DON'T exist. I don't have faith either. I KNOW there is no Santa. You believe in Santa? Tooth fairy? NO? You have faith they don't exist?
Again! Another person that does not understand what the term belief means. My god, don't you people actually do anything with your time in your studies in school.The word belief falls under philosophical terms,because it stands for a state of mind of the individual.Again I will repeat myself for your benefit.Go to the stanford dictionary of philosophical terms and look it up.
I believe Logic alone is a belief system. To even test elements of situations needs faith that you're testing the right elements to an argument. To prove god true or false, is a futile argument. Every word of the bible may not be correct (we don't know the right element to test) but on the other hand, there are verses which if god DID exist, they would be perfectly fit verses.
How can we test how heavy the universe is for example if we can't weigh it?
danielkirk1 1 month ago
Where did you get the idea that you HAVE TO BELIEVE in the God of the Bible??
You don't have to...
That's why wood for the fire exists...LOL
Now, if you simply want to demolish the belief in God, because you have nothing else to do, that's another story...
The main atheist line besides that there is no God, is that believers IMPOSE their religion or their beliefs on them.
But watching this waste of time video, I am asking you..who is imposing on who???
Just a thought!
Go on believing on NOTHING
hammerandnails777 3 months ago
@hammerandnails777 He's not trying to get laws passed, using scare mongering dogma, &/or ostracizing for not conforming to his beliefs. Now that's an actual example of imposing.
Not this freedom of speech video which you where free to watch or not watching is your choice & is not imposing in any way shape or form. If you're ignorant of the definition of impose that is excusable if you understand your wrong if not refer to video 0 in this series
robvlob 1 month ago
Interesting that you tell lies, in attempt to point out supposed lies that Christian's tell. One such lie in this video which you stated was that before anyone invented any god, everyone was an atheist. That is a blatant lie of great magnitude. Fact is, there was never a point in human history in which everyone was an atheist.
BT3701 3 months ago
@BT3701 Lmao By the same exact criteria you call him a liar you are lying yourself. IE knowledge of every society/tribe/civilizations beliefs.
However if a modern example can be found that would lends credence to his argument then it may be considered plausible.
Search for Piraha tribe
robvlob 1 month ago
@robvlob Oh please
BT3701 1 month ago
Why do atheists lie? Where is your proof that "before any civilized thoughts, everybody was an atheist." That's a lie. Another lie is that all babies are atheists. Whereas babies are neutral in their thinking about whether or not any god exists, atheists are pro-active in their thoughts by stating the evidence for a supernatural being is lacking. Lastly, atheism's non-belief in gods is at the same time a belief that no god exists.
BT3701 5 months ago in playlist Belief: Atheism
@BT3701
" Lastly, atheism's non-belief in gods is at the same time a belief that no god exists."
Do you believe in Kaplanecs? In Storchauns? In Iriderites? I made up those words, but now, according to *you*, you are holding beliefs that they do not exist. According to *you*, you are holding active beliefs that none of 10,000+ gods men have invented do not exist. That's a lot of "beliefs"! According to you, your head would be full of things you don't believe. It's absurd.
gininginin 3 months ago
before human civilization invented gods everybody was an atheist...
what a load of crap
where do you think the "civilization " invented gods from and when did this exactly happen?
this is showing lack of understanding of logic psychology and history.
children are natural born dualists, and they would eventually come to a conclusion that there is a god whether anyone told them. And t was common knowledge to Neanderthals that "thunder" and "earthquaqe" are caused by gods.
niinja2 7 months ago
@niinja2 I agree with you that ancient babies may have grown up and invented gods with or without someone telling them (in fact, that's were the first concepts of gods did come from) out of their dualistic nature, the same nature that drives modern children to create imaginary friends. But in the same way we encourage adults to discard their childhood imaginary friends modern humans are no longer dependent on theology and myth to explain their universe nor to satisfy their dualism.
miss0interpret 6 months ago
You deffinitions of atheism does not describe any atheist i know
you dont define yourself with words, you define yourself with actions and beliefs and then you describe those actions and beliefs through words.
niinja2 7 months ago
Even though atheism isn't a system of beliefs but just one idea, I for one would be happy to expand the meaning of the word Atheism into a system.
The system would be...
Non belief in any gods or magic.
Broad acceptance of the Big Bang theory to 13.7 bn years BCE
Broad acceptance of Evolution.
Belief that all morality is evolved emotional responses modified by environment.
I don't really care if I can prove any of it or not. It all seem axiomatically obvious and it is what I believe.
chrisofnottingham 8 months ago
Christians who attack atheism know that the best form of defence is attack. All they have to do is put up some straw men and we are forced onto the defensive. They know that their arguments are absurd but just putting Atheism onto the defensive makes it look weak.
This is why politicians and lawyers rarely respond to an attack with a long rebuttal, they quickly dismiss it and then attack back.
The correct response to all their bollox is "No. So you believe it was a magical Hippy?"
chrisofnottingham 8 months ago
@chrisofnottingham. You may be right. Perhaps it's time we were more on the attack.
Not1delusion 8 months ago
@Not1delusion I think we are much more on the attack than we used to be and that it what is provoking these stupid Christian counter attacks. They know that defence is useless because it is indefensible, so they put straw men and knock them down again or try to divert the argument by dragging in Stalin or something equally as irrelevant.
chrisofnottingham 8 months ago
there is also no way to prove god exists.I was a christian for 23 years,prefering to listen to the preacher on sunday instead of actually reading the bible myself cover to cover.what I found was appalling.not only are there contradictions in the bible,but it condones the murder of babies.I then looked into science and found that everything the preacher said regarding it were lies meant to further the church agenda of getting my money.I see no positive proof of a god,hence I no longer believe.
ranchai100 9 months ago
5:04 Roadhouse
spiffythealien 9 months ago
I like the way he plays relaxing ambient music while he verbally rapes theists, very civilized.
1empathy 9 months ago
The logic of the demotivational poster was funny.
1) Cats have 4 legs.
2) My dog has 4 legs.
3) Therefore, my dog is a cat.
1) The hate group known as the KKK has meetings and care about an issue.
2) Anti-whale-hunting advocates having meetings and care about an issue.
3) Therefore, anti-whale-hunting advocates are a hate group.
Or wait.. the KKK are a religion? Religion is a hate group? That's what you get when you mix up essential characteristics of a group with those of a larger category.
Flyborg 10 months ago
@Flyborg That, my friend... is called a Syllogism XD
AkaiTsukiShimitsu 9 months ago
CLASSICAL ATHEISM IS THE POSITION THAT THEIR IS NO GOD!!!!!!!!! Why are you ignoring this? What you are describing is agnosticism. Atheist: Oh yeah God doesn't exist. Theist: Cool, give me an argument. Atheist: Oh, atheism is simply the lack of belief in God. You see, there just isn't enough evidence for God. What!? We have positive evidence that there is no Santa Clause, Tooth Fairry, or Easter Bunny! Don't call your self an atheist, then give the definition for an agnostic.
FatalKnight 1 year ago
@FatalKnight Okay, give proof that the tooth fairy doesent exist.
Sweddude 1 year ago 3
@Sweddude Sure, According to the myth of the Tooth fairy, the afore mentioned fairy gives money to kids when they lose a tooth and place under their pillows at night. It is said that the fairy replaces the tooth with money after the child falls asleep. If the tooth fairy exists, then we should observe children who place a tooth under their pillow to receive money every time they fall asleep. We do not observe this, therefore the Tooth fairy does not exist.
FatalKnight 1 year ago
@FatalKnight Oh no you missunderstand, the money under the pillow is just a methaphor for that the child will be one experience richer, just like jesus said even salt eventually loses its flavour.
Sweddude 1 year ago
@Sweddude That is inconsistent with the myth of the Tooth Fairy. We do have good reason to think that there was a man named Jesus and he gave such teachings. We have documents(Bible) that presents his teachings. Now it would be foolish for you to just right off the text as wrong just because you think the belief system of the Bible is wrong. We know Socrates had untrue beliefs, but we still trust the documents of his teaching, some of which were written a long time after his death.
FatalKnight 1 year ago
@FatalKnight Actually the existance of Sokrates is questioned by quite a lot of historians, and the credibility of the bible can easily be questioned by the many self contradictions it makes (such as saying one thing and then saying the exact oposite) i could point out over a dossen of those contradictions.
And my main point is still valid, one canot prove that something exists without defining the thing being dissproven, especially not when the characteristics change all the time.
Sweddude 1 year ago
@Sweddude "one canot prove that something exists without defining the thing being dissproven, especially not when the characteristics change all the time." If that is your point, then I missed it. I was commenting on the atheistic tendency to commit the appeal to ridicule fallacy, that is to say that just because a belief is unusual, then therefore it is false. Which is completely up-surd. Could you then explain to me how the characteristics of the Christian deity has changed over time?
FatalKnight 1 year ago
@FatalKnight Ofc the christian belief will be ridiculed sinces it goes against virtually everything we know about reality.
And if you try arguing with a christian you hear that god is all loving, then why does he punish those who dont belive? you hear that he is omniscient but that would take away free will and all the self contradictions in the bible, and i never said change over time, i said change during an argument, such as the toothfairy cash under pillow metaphor.
Sweddude 1 year ago
@Sweddude Do you even know how to define reality? You say God is omniscient and that means there would be no freewill. God's foreknowledge does not necessarily mean he predestined our lives. If you believe our consciousness can be reduced to deterministic processes then there is no freewill on that view anyway. Something is required for our consciousness to be free, hinting the word freewill. It can not be a result of cold processes in the brain, if so, then freewill is an illusion.
FatalKnight 1 year ago
@FatalKnight In a sense free-will is an illusion, because if someone knew all the factors then he/she would be able to know beforehand how a person will act, but the factors that has to be taken into account are insanely massive in quantity.
If a God is omniscient then it knows everything that was, is and will be, thus that God would already know even before a person is born if they will go to heaven or hell and will indeed know every single thing that person will do, then where is free will?
Sweddude 1 year ago
@ 0:50 I always thought that picture was meant to be a caricature? Just like the one for Christianity that begins with "Christianity: the believe that a cosmic jewish zombie...".
@ 1:31 Your definition in the very beginning leaves open the possibility that atheism can mean a positive affirmation of the non-existence of gods. If you aren't trying to deny that atheism is a belief, my apologies for making a moot point. But So many times I see atheists saying that atheism itself isn't a belief.
calomie 1 year ago
Just one point: Some of the music in this video drowns out your voice occasionally. Just keep that in mind for the future
Plausiblesarge 1 year ago
@Plausiblesarge. Thanks.
Not1delusion 1 year ago
how religion is made
1.Atheism in the world
2. curious ppl
3. made up stories or myths
4. the myth is beliveable
5. a cult is made in a tribe
6. spreads and as ppl convert it becomes a religion.
josefu0 1 year ago
Great video man, very concise and logical. Love to see this kind of stuff.
PassTheClap 1 year ago
If atheism is a belief system, then not playing hockey is a sport.
lesliekwan80 1 year ago 4
I believe most interpretations of word "God" are in contradiction with observed contemporary reality, history and nature of the universe as a whole as we know it, and as such cannot be true.
I believe some interpretations of the word "God" are unprovable, or have not been proven yet, and so there is no reason to believe in them.
I believe the rest of interpretations of the word "God" are meaningless, and are ultimate unable to describe whatever the person might mean.
These are my beliefs.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
if it were a belief system it would be more organized and would have the people at atheist gatherings would all come up with similar opinions on most moral subjects
electorg 1 year ago
Jesus Christs existence in this world is a half and half kind of thing...he could of been made up or he maybe was real
theo1170 1 year ago
Atheism is a non-Belief System.
sandcut1 1 year ago
yes its a belief, but a belief founded on facts not myths, for example, do you believe in air? you can't see it but because of facts you believe it
cocochanelbode 1 year ago
I work with a Christian a apologist that likes to use the term "universal negative" He says that I can't prove a negative. I said " God probably doesn't exist " he said that I was wrong and my reasoning was flawed because it;s a universal negative. How do I rebut his argument? ............I really liked your smurf analogy, hope you don't mind if I use it. I also hope you can make another video using this term.
wiggy7373 1 year ago
@wiggy7373 . Hi Wiggy7373. I talk about just that in the next video, Lie # 4, "You can't prove that god doesn't exist." Thanks for the comment.
Not1delusion 1 year ago
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wiggy7373 1 year ago
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I work with a Christian a apologist that likes to use the term "universal negative" He says that I can't prove a negative. I said " God probably doesn't exist " he said that I was wrong and my reasoning was flawed because it;s a universal negative. How do I rebut his argument? ............I really liked your smurf analogy, hope you don't mind if I use it. I also hope you can make another video using this term.
wiggy7373 1 year ago
I work with a Christian a apologist that likes to use the term "universal negative" He says that I can't prove a negative. I said " God probably doesn't exist " he said that I was wrong and my reasoning was flawed because it;s a universal negative. How do I rebut his argument? ............I really liked your smurf analogy, hope you don't mind if I use it. I also hope you can make another video using this term.
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wiggy7373 1 year ago
@ShowYourWorking
So individuals witnessed these events and left their testimony...
By what criteria can we ignore the information in the Old and New 'Testaments'?
If we believe other 'anecdotal' evidence from other historical events, why not that given from the Bible?
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
@Funkyflorist Look, it's never just the texts, but more its contents dummy.
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
Damn, the first time I watched this vid, my niece was crawling all over me like I was a jungle gym... I completely missed the part near the beginning about the Atheistic evangelists and weekly meetings. Funny stuff! ;-)
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago
Atheism is not a belief system its more like a nonbelief system
theo1170 1 year ago
The Story of Wonko Part 6 FINAL: Beware of false Wonkos. There is JUST the one true dead and resurrected living Wonko. In the name of Wonko the Father, Wonko the Son and Wonko the Holy Ghost. Take the pledge today: >>>>> "I am a miserable & lousy little boob of a sinner. I am completely incapable of taking responsibility for my own life. I CANNOT think for myself and must be controlled or I WILL DO EVIL. I have no future and no brain so I pledge to let Wonko be my master forever and ever."
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 12
@wonkothemagicelf
Strawman Fallacy
A very poor one at that.
You would be better off stating that the bible is made up of anecdotal statements...
Except these include statements of geography and anthropology which have been observed and confirmed. (i.e. the existence of the philistines, multiple cities including jericho, bethseda, city of david, etc.)
There are also architectural details explained such as the pool described where Jesus healed the blind. Also confirmed.
Got any straw left?
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
The Story of Wonko Part 5: I beg you to think and ACT NOW. Any day, even today, you could be somewhere when all of a sudden, a careening out of control, 18 wheel semi, with an alcoholic driver could leave you lying in the road in a mangled mess. And next thing you know, you're smack dab in Wonko's Pool Hall, being doused with Bullseye BBQ by Wonko's sadistic, giggling minions and roasted over an open fire that makes the heart of a main sequence blue-white giant feel like a cool breeze. ACT NOW!
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 10
The Story of Wonko Part 4: Wonko also performs BETTER MIRACLES THAN JESUS. Wonko laughs at wine. Wonko can turn water into Chivas scotch. Wonko doesn't just walk on water; HE JOGS OVER THE ENTIRE PACIFIC OCEAN EVERY SINGLE DAY. Wonko didn't rise from the dead once. WONKO RISES FROM THE DEAD EACH MORNING, with a skull splitting hangover that makes Hiroshima look like a wet fire cracker, so you better just watch your butt around Wonko. Can Jesus do that? Pfft ! Wonko picks Jesus out of his nose.
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 9
@wonkothemagicelf
To burn this strawman even more, do you have a written testament of wonko?
How many copies are there in existence? How far do they date back to?
Now you might say that the only writings for the Testament about Jesus date only about 35 years after the events took place...
In that case we must ignore the gallic wars (500+ years) and the Trojan War (300+) and Alexander the Great (150-200+ years)...
Come up with something better.
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
The Story of Wonko Part 3: Wonko DOES love you but he WILL torture you TEN times worse than any dead Jew on a stick can, so DON'T deny him. Wonko could never be crucified. He's way too ORNERY to EVER let you try! Wonko would've rammed that cross up Pilate's ass the nanosecond he started waving it around. Put that in your empty sepulcher and smoke it, Christ boy! And of course, Wonko gives free will so you have NO excuse for refusing! Let him into your heart today!
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 10
@wonkothemagicelf
You have serious misconceptions of the concept of 'hell' and what it really means. I'll take the Aristotelian method and let you figure it out yourself. : )
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
The Story of Wonko Part 2 : We know it's true because of Verse 24,287, line 1747 of the Revealed Holy Wisdom of Wonko, which says: "YOU CAN BELIEVE ME BECAUSE I ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH". You See, Wonko would NEVER lie to you so you cannot make any excuses. You need to accept Wonko THIS VERY MOMENT as your master and personal saviour. You don't want to end up burning forever in Wonko's Pool Hall, do ya? In the HALL the fire is ten times hotter than in hell AND THE ETERNITY IS TEN TIMES LONGER !!!
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 10
Proving the UNPROVABLE: The Story of Wonko (the Magic Elf) PART 1 >>> Wonko, The Magic Elf loves EVERYONE. Yes, even the MOST pathetic amongst you is loved by the almighty Wonko. The great Wonko makes you this greatest ever offer... "BELIEVE IN ME OR I WILL TORTURE YOU FOREVER" There, isn't that a grand offer? If you refuse, Wonko will send you to Wonko's Pool Hall when you die. Go ahead and scoff you arrogant unbelievers, but it's true! How do we know it's true ???
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 9
I'm with the author and neuroscientist Sam Harris in regards to Atheism (and indeed ANY form of the word, e.g. Atheist). "Atheism" is quite simply a non-sensical label. As Sam has stated, "no one wakes up in the morning and feels compelled to remind himself that he's a non-astrologer or non-alchemist. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. Atheism is simply a refusal to deny the obvious."
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 41
@wonkothemagicelf
Argumentum ad verecundiam (Sam Harris is not addressing the GREEK ROOT of the word, just contemporary semantics)
Fallacy begging the question (you assume atheists are 'reasonable' with no proof)
Atheists have to remind themselves of their 'belief' everyday. Just as you are doing.
Do you 'refuse to deny' that?
Give an example.
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
@Funkyflorist I find it funny that you still lecture me on Greek even after U know my background...well, at least to an extent. Conversationally, we've gone AS FAR AS WE CAN. I have no beliefs, unbeliefs, disbeliefs or non beliefs. I THINK and therefore I am. I have thoughts, hopes and knowledge but forms of the word belief r nonsensical to me. Sam Harris applies positively NO fallacy of defective induction. No begging, either. U strike me as a person who MUST have the last word so by all means
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 5
@wonkothemagicelf /sigh, YOU are making the fallacy by referencing Harris... You also side-step the topic of the Greek Root of the word because you have no proper rebuttal.
(ATHEOS = NO GOD/s, ISM = Belief, Principles)
Begging is right here; "Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. "
Your premise assumes itself to be true (begging the question).
You're out of your league, you don't even know what 'hell' means.
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
Atheos - "No God or No Gods"
Ismus - "Belief in, Adherence to, Condition of"
Atheist / Atheism - "Belief in No Gods, Adherence to No Gods, Condition of No God"
Atheism is a Belief, but its not a system.
It's too chaotic and irrational to be a system.
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
@Funkyflorist So HAVE you concluded that there are NO systems which could be irrational and chaotic? If so, on what do you base this conclusion and do you have evidence that supports this conclusion?
In your mind, are all "beliefs" too chaotic and irrational to be a system?
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 12
@wonkothemagicelf
Pointless line of reasoning, if there is chaos in a system does that mean its not a system?
Have you heard of a Bell Curve? There are outliers, also called 'six sigma events'. You can have a perfect system, but just because there is chaos it doesn't mean its NOT a system.
You've ironically asserted that Atheism IS a system. Thank You.
(To answer your first question; Water Cycle, Solar Systems, Atoms, Cells, Molecules, etc.)
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
@Funkyflorist Nope sorry, that was YOUR line of reasoning and inane though it was your attributes within a system are in error. Too many assumptions on your part but I really don't care to hear your "line of reasoning" as it may exist. Your further assertion that I have asserted that Atheism is a system is completely without merit. Bell Curve??? gee, let's see, yes, heard of that back in grade school. 3 posts and u STILL haven't answered my questions so no point furthering this nonsense....
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 5
@Funkyflorist Good answers to my questions... and about what I expected !
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 4
@wonkothemagicelf
Don't misinterpret silence as consent, you have a life outside of YouTube right?
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
Atheism is a belief system just like "off" is a TV channel.
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 56
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@wonkothemagicelf
Do you believe that?
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
'Atheist' comes from the Greek 'Atheos' or 'No God/s'
'ism' is the set of beliefs, at the very root of of the atheist definition and origin, it IS a belief. Or more clearly; a belief of non-belief.
If it is supposed to be a denial of beliefs in god, then it would be 'The-A-ism'.
Further, the truth of the terms 'Theist' and 'Atheist' are mutually exclusive. Meaning only one of them can be true.
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
@Funkyflorist Sorry, your defintion (or the definition you found) for "ism" is not the ONLY defintion for "ism". ALL of the following are also definitions for "ism" : doctrine, a policy advocated, a particular principle, a theory of thought and a body of teachings. So to say that "ism" is the "set of beliefs", depends upon where one gets his/her definitions. More accurate to say that "ism" CAN BE defined as a set of beliefs.
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 10
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@wonkothemagicelf
And none of the examples you cited contradict my assertion " 'ism' is the set of beliefs."
Now if you would like to re-write every college text on the Greek language and its influence on English language in an attempt to 'change' the root of the word 'Atheist' go right ahead...
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
@Funkyflorist You and I simply disagree. I never stated your defintion was not a valid one. Merely that there are other meanings for the suffix "ism" Funny you should mention Greek... I was not only married to one at one time but also have co-written several Greek texts. Lucky guess on your part.
wonkothemagicelf 1 year ago 8
@wonkothemagicelf
So... nothing wrong with my assertions then? Even with your 'intimate' knowledge of greek?
Now what do we disagree on? Reality!?
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
@wonkothemagicelf
I've also done some follow-up on the greek origin 'ism' or "ismus."
It's a suffix used for "belief in X, practice of X, condition of X" etc...
Funkyflorist 1 year ago
inb4 - Supreme Court says 'Atheism is a Religion'.
The ONLY
ONLY reason the Supreme Court says that 'Atheism is a Religion' is so that Atheists are PROTECTED by the first amendment of the Constitution.
So if a Fuck-tard Theist tries to stab me in a parking lot, I can have him jailed for a "Hate Crime".
The Supreme Court ruled Atheism a "legal" religion to protect us. So if you Theist Morons try using this Freudian Excuse, I'll only laugh at you =^_^=.
Freedom of Speech BITCHES
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
If atheism is a belief system, then why the hell aren't we petitioning government for tax-exempt status?
Godshoulddie 1 year ago
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@Godshoulddie " If atheism is a belief system, then why the hell aren't we petitioning government for tax-exempt status? "
Damn good question!!
Roper122 1 year ago
the big bang according to the laws of the universe is impossible, there are only two ways the universe could exist.
1. just like energy, matter, space and time the universe is eternal. it has always been and will always be, it can not be created or destroyed, it has no beginning or end.
2. some sort of god created it. if this was the case gods existence would be incomprehensible. how could we understand how something exists outside of what we know to be existence (the universe).
homer091 1 year ago
@homer091 Yes but if it were eternal, according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, everything would be dust because over time all matter degrades into dust.
ZuneXL 1 year ago
@ZuneXL That's not exactly true. Matter does not turn into "dust" and that is not what the Second Law of Thermodynamics describes. Matter always remains matter (or is turned into energy if it comes into contact with anti-matter but that still isn't "dust"), and the SLT describes transitions between entropies in a system.
jjdagdelen 1 year ago
@homer091 You obviously don't understand the big bang theory, we don't know what caused it, but that certainly doesn't mean that is proof of god, and we know the universe was not always this way because the universe is expanding, both of your assumptions are wrong......
Hadenthekiller 1 year ago
ATHEISM IS AN UNBELIEF SYSTEM
what type of atheism are you into?
brambau 1 year ago
If atheism is simply a lack of belief in God, then my cat, a tree, or a newborn baby are all atheists. I'm a student of anthropology personally, so I won't comment on most of your video, but the fact is that a worldview is a lot less harmful than you're making it out to be, and atheism certainly falls under the anthropological definition of a worldview.
Freecube 1 year ago
@Freecube
I have to call you out on that last point. Did I understand you correctly that you concider a stance on one single topic to encompass a world view? Any anthropological definition I know of encompasses several areas (contents vary) where theology is just one. Or would you also claim that all theists share the same world view? Hindus, Muslims and old school pagans - all one and the same? Of course not. Their only obvious point of agreement is that there's one or more god/s.
PanWolven 1 year ago
I'm sorry--I miscommunicated. Atheism in itself is not a worldview, but a religious stance is arguably one of the more important parts of a worldview. Also, like you have answered, theism itself is not a worldview (much as Christianity itself isn't, despite what many Christians want to believe). I was just trying to get across that atheism is about as central to a worldview as any other religious stance, anthropologically speaking.
Freecube 1 year ago
@Freecube
OK, that makes a lot more sense. I still don't fully agree with you though. While a theistic belief (99% of the time) comes with dogma that informs pretty much every part of your life, atheism is simply the rejection of theistic belief, dogma included. If atheism was a religious stance you'd be right, but it's not. it's a non-stance. Theology is therefore about as central to an atheist as stamps are to a non-philatelist.
PanWolven 1 year ago
@Freecube - "If atheism is simply a lack of belief in God, then my cat, a tree, or a newborn baby are all atheists."
Yes and no. For a belief to be held, or rejected, the proposition must have been considered. So, your cat could be an atheist (and in my opinion is, along with everything else that doesn't hold a belief in a god) but the other side is that which I stated.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
@Freecube - "atheism certainly falls under the anthropological definition of a worldview."
But it's not. The only reason it's considered as such is because of the actual number of theists. So what's the threshold on that? How many people have to say 'witches exist' before the people who don't say it have an unwitchist world-view?
If people weren't running around saying "A god exists!!" it wouldn't even get a mention from atheists.
Skindoggiedog 1 year ago
I call it our "super-ego"
edwardtang1977 1 year ago
Does anybody know what the bgm in the second half of the video is?
EpicFailGuy91 1 year ago
The naturalism vs supernaturalism dichotomy might justifiably be said to be two world-views, but atheism is by no means a world view.
When will people understand that Atheism is a response to Theism which is itself a positive belief. Atheism is the negation of a belief -- it's a response. Atheism is to Theism as baldness is to a hairstyle
Even the people prior to ANY religion would NOT be Atheists. They'd be nothing insofar as this discussion goes. You have to have a Theism before Atheism.
BuBBaGump014 1 year ago 2
@BuBBaGump014
I have to diagree with you a little. The problem is with Labels. I personally hate labels, but they are here and now today to define the positions.
The majority of Atheists today if there was never any religion would not be Atheists they would simply be people. A minority actively disbelieve in god, but even they if there was not religion would not exist.
The problem lies in the word used to describe a wide and varied group of people.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
@BuBBaGump014
To put it another way.
There are those who see no evidence that would lead them to believe there is a god
There are those that take this to the extreme and say this is evidence there is no god.
The silly thing is, there does not need to be evidence there is no god, there needs to be evidence there is a god.
marsoft4647 1 year ago
Religion is an extension of our subconscious desires and fears. It is a mechanism we evolved because it helped us survive in our distant past. Now that we have developed a technologic global society, and we are dealing with the problems we have... it has become a destructive force, rather then one that provides some kind of balance of power over others. It's really just what our collective psyche would "like" to believe. That there's a big father figure in the sky whose watching and loves us.
AllWalksofLife 1 year ago
here is an example of a subjective, then an objective definition of an earth quake.
Subjective
Earthquake. a LARGE (notice this word requires interpretation) release of energy in the earths crust that causes seismic waves
Objective
A release of energy in the earths crust that causes seismic waves. Notice the lack of subjective interpretation.
you can do this for god. For example
God: an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent being. These are specific characteristics.
boorens18 2 years ago
I've noticed people continually confusing atheism with secularism. Atheism is the belief that there is no god. Secularism is the absence of any belief in god, including that god does not exist.
Blackfish100 2 years ago
@Blackfish100 atheism is not a belief in anything, it's also not a belief in nothing, it's an absence of belief. positing that a god or gods do not exist is called antitheism. secularism is worldliness, it's a socio-political stance that focusses on life on earth, without making comment on spirituality.
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Blackfish100 2 years ago
Wrong. Merriam-Webster online Dictionary: Atheism: a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity.
Anti-theism doesn't even come up.
Secularism: indifference to or rejection or exclusion of religion and religious considerations. Nothing socio-political about that. It's not even an ideology.
Seriously, do you not have a dictionary? Do you hate terminology so such that you have to redefine everything or even invent words? What is wrong with you?
Blackfish100 2 years ago
@Blackfish100 a dictionary provides common usage, not definition. i can't believe i'm saying it but atheism is a belief like bald is a hair color. antitheism more accurately describes a rejection of gods. you're right about secularism, it's not an ideology, but you've changed your definition since your original comment.
i attempted to provide a relevant definition to clarify your original error, i'm not looking for a fight over something so frankly insignificant.
325982668 2 years ago
Common usage? Oh, so when I look up 'atheism definition' and it comes up on the MWOD under the word 'definition', what it really means to say is 'common usage'. Now I know you dont have a dictionary. Heres the meaning of dictionary: 1: a reference source containing words with information about their forms, pronunciations, functions, etymologies, *meanings*, and syntactical and idiomatic uses. Meaning is synonymous with definition. Anti-theism isnt a word!
Blackfish100 2 years ago
@Blackfish100 fine you're right. get over it.
325982668 2 years ago
Of course I'm right. The entire reason I got into this is because I couldn't believe you were wrong! What kind of person identifies themselves as something without knowing what that something is? Are you daft?
Blackfish100 2 years ago
I personally saw that dictionary definition and I was appalled.
You should reference more than 1 book, always.
showABCshow 2 years ago
Bump for good thoughtful video.
Phibred 2 years ago
Saying Atheist is a religion is like saying no playing basketball is a sport.
itskelvinkkc 2 years ago
The coloured text is very hard to read against the black background.
1Weemaryanne 2 years ago
Christians are always saying some dumbass shit like : "You must believe in God, why else would you have so much to say about it?"
*face palm*
PaineLover 2 years ago 3
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So atheists don't believe there's no God, supernatural realm, miracles, sin, objective morality? Atheists don't believe in scientific naturalism/materialism, that they can trust their senses, that all that's true is scientifically verifiable, that religion is illogical/irrational, that there's no underlying purpose in life? Wait, they believe all of these; at least most atheists do. Atheism is a belief system; atheists subscribe to certain beliefs & actions because of their atheism
ChristianMission 2 years ago
"Atheism is a belief system"
How much of a retard are you?
Idiots like you say that not collecting stamps is still a hobby, and you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Atheists dont subscribe to anything. Dont be a retard. Because we disbelieve in your Magic Man, THAT earns people the title "atheist", NOT because of anything else.
Educate yourself, idiot.
ThatOneQuestion 2 years ago 11
rational atheists make no comment on the existence or otherwise of something for which no objective testable evidence has been presented.
that two atheists share a set of moral values is not because of their lack of belief in the magical. it simply happens that people who don't have blind faith in magic tend to be rational enough to come to common, generally "nice" or even "humanist" views.
325982668 2 years ago
Um, you say atheists don't make any comments on god, yet in the same sentence you say there is no objective, testable evidence present about god. That is saying something about god...
Blackfish100 2 years ago
@Blackfish100 they make no comments on the existence of gods. i'm simply stating that no testable evidence has been presented for the existence of gods, though of course this doesn't prove or disprove anything. the absence of evidence is not in itself an argument for or against anything.
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Blackfish100 2 years ago
Go back and read your sentence. If atheists don't comment on god then they shouldn't say there is no evidence for one.
Blackfish100 2 years ago
@Blackfish100 you dont need to subscribe to a believe in order to state a fact. It is a fact that there is no evidence for god. So...what? You think atheists arent allowed to say that sentence?
you just showed how dumb u are lol
boorens18 2 years ago
Actually, it's impossible to make any objective (factual) statements about god, because god has no objective definition. You can't say jack about something when you don't even know what it is.
Blackfish100 2 years ago
@Blackfish100 Sure you can make statements about god....you simply have to define what type of god you are referring and what kind of characteristics it has.
boorens18 2 years ago
You've missed the point entirely. How do you know that what you are referring to is in fact god and not just someone's opinion? When you refer to the gods central to certain religions such as Christianity, are you claiming that these religions know what god is? How do they know and more importantly, why take their word for it when you would most certainly be dismissive of all their other claims like talking snakes and virgin births?
Blackfish100 2 years ago
@Blackfish100
No I see what you are trying to say lol, but you dont actually understand what subjective, and objective definitions are. A subjective definition is a definition which, on its own requires interpretation of the reader.
I dont claim to know any of that, the person making the claim that a "god" exists is required to first define god, then give reasons. You can in fact make an objective defintion of god. Maybe not one that everyone excepts but thats not what objective means.
boorens18 2 years ago
If atheism WERE a belief system, I'm pretty sure that religious people would have to treat us with more respect. Have some "interreligious dialog" as happens with others sometimes.
Also, I don't like that symbol that some atheist societies use. It's an incorrect version of the Bohr model of the atom, which itself has been superceded by the "atomic orbital" or "electron cloud" model. It's sort of cool, because it looks like an "A", but I don't use it.
Rationalific 2 years ago
"May not seem intuitive, but that's how shit went down."
One of my favorites.
WatanukiProductions 2 years ago
I enjoyed you videos and fully subscribe to your views. I have never felt the 'need' for there to be a God. God was developed in paleolithic times to explain the inexplicable.
4popeye1 2 years ago
Great vids, I subscribed. True that Buddhists are atheists, but don't they still believe in some kind of afterlife and reincarnation, wandering ghosts etc?
dilemmix 2 years ago
Well, it's true that some Buddhists believe in those things, but even an atheist can believe in ghosts, reincarnation and an afterlife. The only thing required to be an atheist is a lack of belief in deities. That said, of course most atheists I have encountered don't not believe in anything supernatural, but atheism in and of itself doesn't not preclude a belief in those things.
Textra1 2 years ago 5
The Episcopal Church can say crap now!? They are certainly getting pretty liberal, aren't they?
frankjohnson123 2 years ago
As a Taoist, i feel left out of hte whole 'god' debate and have look for my gate way into the conversation. but you my friend have summed it all up for me. thanks for the mention of the Tao since we are the only religious group on earth that have the rationale to deliberate from Fact/Fantasy.
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320iguy 2 years ago
320iguy: I was always under the impression that Taoism was more of a philosophy then a religion.
takotheoktopus 2 years ago
no not true at all we have legends and myths that depict the teachings of gods and goddess' that through the Tao and ancient masters such as Lao Tzu and Cheung Tzu. these were real men that taught morality of leadership to government and the emperors and magistrates. how ever to 'make' them 'immortal' they were turned into gods and the hoopla but we always refer to them as myth and legends. there are some links and story on my channel if you wanna take a look.
320iguy 2 years ago
320iguy: Thanks for the clarification. I had read the Tao Te Ching and Huahujing quite some time ago but never looked into Taoism's history beyond these two books. I'll check out your channel and hope I can pick your brain to learn more.
takotheoktopus 2 years ago
sure no problem feel free to sub and hang out i am going to go into the Jade emperor in the next week or so i am just waiting to hear back from some people i ask for the research i was doing.
finding some of the books and legends is hard to do some times.
320iguy 2 years ago
Good video.
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atheistfriends 2 years ago
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atheist are boring. they believe in nothing.
pff how boring is that.
lame oids
PurePower025 2 years ago
I may not believe in any god(s), but I do believe in the power of humankind and that only through peace can we progress into the future.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
Not true. Some atheists could believe the world is a wart on the Head Orc's balls for all you know.
frankjohnson123 2 years ago
I'm sorry but you would be incorrect.Atheism is a belief.Theism is acceptance of the fact that god exists.Atheism is the acceptance of the fact that god does not exist.Both are beliefs.You cannot have a non belief.Belief by it's very definition is a state of mind where a person concludes that certain states of affairs are true or false based on evidence.I suggest you go to Stanford's dictionary on philosophical terms to better acquaint yourself with the meaning of belief and how it applies.
YogiToad 2 years ago
I'm sorry but you are full of $h!t
Atheists do not BELIEVE a god does not exist. We have simply not seen ANY evidence that one does.
What do you call someone that believes unicorns don't exist? How about people that don't believe in the hempilumpifus?
Let's talk about your belief that smurfs are not in fact real and living under your rug.
I do not BELIEVE a god does not exist. Just as I do not BELIEVE unicorns and elves do not exist.
Why is it SO important to you that it is?
sfg911 2 years ago
yogitoad i'm assuming your a religious person, so if half of the world say that their believe in you does that make you a god? everyone believes in love. what, should they make it a religion and make LOVE a god? come on now. and what about other gods you don't believe in them, so you've just form another religion by not believing.
parkout233 2 years ago
Again I will reiterate that you go to Stanford's Dictionary of Philosophical Terms and find out what "belief" means and how it applies. And no I am not a religious person, I am an atheist.
YogiToad 2 years ago
The problem is that almost all atheist dont say god doesnt exist. They simply say they dont know if god exists. However they do assume god doesnt exist is their daily lives. Why? Because there are infinit unproven things. You either have to live under the assumption all are true, or none. Since living under millions of contradictionary statements is impossible, we assume none.
No assumptions, no belief. You however do not only accept god exist, first you assume it.
imorio 2 years ago
I'm sorry but you are wrong, again I will re-direct you to Stanford's encyclopedia of philosophy to understand what belief is and how it works. Any time you draw a conclusion on any subject, it is a belief.
YogiToad 2 years ago
Ah, but atheist dont draw a conclusion. They simply say we dont know and refrain from concluding anythingon the existance of god.
imorio 2 years ago
I'm sorry but someone who professes not to know that a god exists is called an Agnostic. An atheist is a person who forms an opinion against the existence of god. Actually the earliest atheists believed two things, that there were no minor gods but one highest entity, or no higher entity but only minor deities . Atheism comes from greek philosophy,it only later narrowed down to the belief in no gods after Atomism came about.
YogiToad 2 years ago
But atheism isnt about knowing, it is about living under the assumption that god doesnt exist. We do that because even though we dont know if god exists, there is no evidence for it and to remain consistenent we have to assume all unproven things are false. You do the same, only you are inconsistent in that you make an exception for your view of your god.
imorio 2 years ago
It does not matter how you come to your conclusion, once you have drawn a conclusion that is your belief whether it's a belief in non existence or existence. For instance you believe in atoms don't you?Well why?You have never seen one,and I'll bet you don't know anyone who has seen one either, yet you believe in them.Why,because someone whom you trust has told you they exist.Your belief in atoms is based on faith,not knowledge.
YogiToad 2 years ago
Ah, but there is evidence for atoms, not for god. I dont believe in them out of faith, but out of evidence. But basicly atheism inst belief but lack of belief. An atheist to zeus like you might be a theist in regard to the christian god. Atheism just tells you what someone doesnt believe, because atheism is the sheer absence of a conclusion.
imorio 2 years ago
Well you accept that their is evidence,but science has been known to be wrong,and fraudulent,not in this case,,but you don't have knowledge of the existence of atoms,so by definition of what faith is,you have faith in the evidence of them .Atheism,is defined by the Stanford Encyclopaedia of Philosophy to be a "belief" system.Understand? Also,Atheism originated,actually in India,but moved over to Greece where it initially stood for someone who believed in one supreme being instead of many.
YogiToad 2 years ago
Ah, but the great thing about science is that it is the best known explanation. When the best explanation ends up being false, we search for a better explanation, so science improves. Religion on the other hand is dogmatic and doesnt change, even when it is wrong and fraudulent.
Also, strong/hard/idiotic atheism is a belief system, but that is just because that is the belief that there is no god. The problem is that there are barly people on this earth who truely believe that.
imorio 2 years ago
cont. and if your dictionary only has atheism as a belief system, you should get a better dictionary, they arent that expensive.
imorio 2 years ago
I'm going to assume,that you are a person of high intellect that is guffawing or that you are a person of low intellect since, no standard is higher than the Stanford Dictionary.
YogiToad 2 years ago
Dictionary onlly try to capture what words mean to people, it are people that use them. Dictionarys are never going to be anywhere close to perfect. And the dictionary usually arent made by people who are good at logic, just by langues pures.
But quote me the entire definition, in the likely case they put down the definition better than you recite it.
imorio 2 years ago
Of course dictionaries are ambiguous and useless pieces of shitI don't know why we even pay attention to them, we should just make up words or use words as we please with no regard for content. And you're right, the dumb asses at Stanford are a bunch of illogical dip shits just making dictionaries for shits and grins. As far as a direct quote from the dictionary, why don't you do some of your own damn research, correcting you has made me tired,motherfucker.
YogiToad 2 years ago
They arent useless, they are meaningfull to find the genral meaning of words, they arent meant to base arguments on in debate. And since I have seen religious people misquote the dictionary in an attempt to win arguments, I want the exact quote. Since it would take a few days and about 15 euro's to get a stanford dictionary to the netherlands (way to much to spend on a youtube comments debate) , getting the full and exact quote from you is the only way.
imorio 2 years ago
Sorry about the end part, that was before my coffee... I'm doing better now...so the doctor tells me.
YogiToad 2 years ago
YogiToad shut up and stop dancing around and provide evidence for god, if you dont have, then there's no reason to believe his existence
jav90xw 2 years ago
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Shut the fuck up you fucktard, I never said their was a god so you shut the fuck up.
YogiToad 2 years ago
Did I say I believed in god?
YogiToad 2 years ago
Dictionary is wrong. God got nothing to do with a belief. Its a product, sold by a big business called religion. I don't understand what is a purpose of atheism when the whole purpose of theism is money and power.
alexgreat 2 years ago
I do not believe that humankind will be extinct due to pollution and nuclear warfare within the next 1000 years.
I ALSO do not believe that humankind will NOT be extinct due to pollution and unclear warfare within the next 1000 years.
Therefore, on the topic of humankind's extinction because of pollution and nuclear warfare within the next 1000 years, I HAVE NO BELIEF.
Now, either point out where my logic is faulty, or point out why this same logic does not apply to God!
Smudge4C 2 years ago
Absolutely you applied beliefs to its actual meaning in your argument. When do not have an opinion either way then you are without belief or have no belief.When you form an opinion,either by evidence or lack thereof,you have a belief.
YogiToad 2 years ago
"When you form an opinion,either by evidence or lack thereof,you have a belief. " I have an opinion about religions and gods, the supernatural......so therefore I believe in those things?? Bullshit. I have strong opinions about fundamentalist religious extremists and their impact on our world. Does that mean I "believe" in them?
PaineLover 2 years ago
"Theism is acceptance of the fact that god exists"
"FACT"?? If it was a fact, then there would be no need for faith. And it could be verified.
I don't have a "belief" that Santa Claus DON'T exist. I don't have faith either. I KNOW there is no Santa. You believe in Santa? Tooth fairy? NO? You have faith they don't exist?
PaineLover 2 years ago
Again! Another person that does not understand what the term belief means. My god, don't you people actually do anything with your time in your studies in school.The word belief falls under philosophical terms,because it stands for a state of mind of the individual.Again I will repeat myself for your benefit.Go to the stanford dictionary of philosophical terms and look it up.
YogiToad 2 years ago