@moopism You may want to check your brain before check other. many people see this vid and only you think that what I mean is : At 1:20 You say that a RAPIST accused of attacking GIRLS must be a homosexual?
@moopism it's not the same. many atheist see this vid. many didn't agree, but only you think so. Let me explain. Atheist said that: look, gay is in the gene. why did god created it that way but then he punish people for doing what natural to them. My analogy is: Scientist also said that serial killer have the tendencies write on their gene, does that make the court could not punish him? But in the end, all was lie. Gay genes is hoax. It is found that the researcher manipulated the data
@moopism I didn't raise the issue. atheist raise the issue. They said look at your stupid book. It said that homosexual will be punished in hell. they said: why did God put tendencies in the genes for homosexual, but then he will punish them. Answer: scientist also said that there are tendencies written in gene for became serial killer. But that didn't stop any country not to punish serial killer. get it? But in the end the gay gene is hoax. It is really a behaviour not written in gene
@moopism well, you just cannot make the blind see and the deaf hear. And if by this you think I have something agaist blind and deaf people, then truly your brain just cannot digest metamorphic sentences.
At 00:13..... Downs syndrom is not cased by genetics
"Current research (as of 2008) has shown that Down syndrome is due to a random event during the formation of sex cells or pregnancy. There has been no evidence that it is due to parental behavior (other than age) or environmental factors."
What you've said there is incorrect and insulting.
O and darkmatter2525 has good points on his cartoons on religions and this has no point what so ever.Telling by this video you dont really know about the people in the religions and the history of any of them but you know anything about atheist people that dont believe in what you believe in.Always assuming about shit ,Atheist look for answers and not assume that they are always right but religions do and have killed for it.
@a084123 1. Dark Matter has good point, 2. this video doesn't, 3. I don't know about religion and its history, 4. I was wrong about what atheist believe. Based on point 1 to 4, it is very clear that you always assume that you are right and religious people especially me are damn wrong (what a fucking hypocrite you are).
GREAT VIDEO, it is true most athiests do think this way, infact i use to call myself athiest cos i also think this way, even though i dont believe in a god i have to admit we athiests are selfish,
@probokator " from 2500 atheist viewer, you are the third person who honestly admit it. "
No, actually just the third moron. Might you think that ,perhaps, the other 2497 atheist like myself do not think that way. There is so much more to it then just chemicals and genes.
The first thing I do when I watch a video on Youtube about religion is check the like/dislike bar. Completely red usually means it is bullshit that has been uploaded by a religious person, this video is no exception.
@probokator Its non sensical, thats why it's red. Youre trying to validate your personal beliefs by putting a group of people down based on the unrealistic image you have of them. It doesn't work that way, if you want to convince people that your personal beliefs are correct you should be able to demonstrate why. No matter how many people you put down, it doesn't validate your opinion. It tells us something about your morality though, and you have just demonstrated that your morality sucks.
@OhReallyNoWai those statement in my vid is not my peersonal believe. it is actually what atheist really believe for example. 0.19. I just put it as it is, from dawkins book, selfish gene. you and other atheist just got angry coz i touch the stupidity of your true believe
@probokator Atheism is a disbelief. Apart from that, people who call themselves atheist can differ a lot. In a religion, people all follow the same doctrine. Atheists do not have a doctrine, their morality might differ from person to person. I am an atheist, and so are many Japanese people, but we don't share the same morality. The only thing atheists have in common is the disbelief in God. Btw, you are also an atheist with regard to Zeus. You're just ignorant and you can only blame yourself
@OhReallyNoWai I think you are wrong about this. atheism is = a (not) theis (theos = god (greek)). so atheism is not believe in god. i'm not atheist coz I believe that god exist. So you have a different believe from dawkins that say all that human is just a vehicle of "selfish gene" that its "purpose" is just to pass its traits to the next gen? by saying that you differ from many other atheist who support dawkins.
@probokator You only believe in 1 particular God, and that God is propably not called Zeus. So yes, with regard to Zeus you are an atheist. He's gonna be so pissed at you, I think he will have you tortured for eternity. Anyway, passing on traits through genes is simply a fact, it is just something that happens... In this context I don't believe in purpose, what kind of emotions we attach to this fact is irrelevant and doesnt change anything. But IF Dawkins want to believe that... it's up to him.
@OhReallyNoWai u not even read my reply? atheist, with "a" like "a" in "a"moeba is negatif to the word next to it. in atheis it is negatif to theos, greek word for god. so atheist just means not believe in god. I believe in one god. that makes me not an atheist, even that I dont believe in zeus. yes It is relevant. when you believe that survival is the basic law, only the strong, it is relevant to how you would react. like how communist reach coz they believe struggle is the basic law of nature
@OmfgItsHenu just try. like 0.19, that stephen dawkins saying in his book. sellfish gene not mine. when people think like that, they simplified love into some drying dung. While there are millions of poems, movie, song written about love. And he simplified it into a cold mechanism of unconciousness gene to survive? what a bullshit. And even it is dangerous way of thingking, coz you will think that survival is the most important thing more than love.
@OmfgItsHenu just pick one. coz all I put is really are the believe of an atheist. ofcourse it make it less. do u say it to your girlfriend when you want to propose her? that your love is nothing than a gene make you its vehicle to survive. that you actually just want to fuck her so she can bear your offspring? what an insult to love. No, we should know about how it happend. yes it is happend via chemical reaction mechanism, but it is designed for a greater purpose
@OmfgItsHenu oh come on, just make one counter argument for any picture in my vid. for example. racism. yes atheist support racism. atheist must believe in evolution theory. darwin ask in his book descend of man, questioned wheter an aborigin can be grouped into human or monkey. this view make white'y can kill aborigin as easy as kill a monkey. yes your view treaten the rest of human kind. it is not the science. i do not agains science. it is your perverted interpretation that threaten the world
@OmfgItsHenu atheist do not believe in god. so they must believe in evolution. if not how can they answer why there are live as we see today. by believing in evolution, that lesser unevolved race are bound to extict, make people think it is normal to genocides aborigins.
@OmfgItsHenu yes they must. if not, u dont have an explaination that earth is full of life. 100% atheist is believe in evolution, are they not? I don't understand evolution or u? it say by gradual changes, start from different race, they can became different species. do u even ever read "descent of man" by darwin? I quote it, "lesser species are bound to extict. in not so distant features, negroid or chinesse will be extict subdued by more evolved white man
@OmfgItsHenu so you know that gene is complex, 1 spoon of it can store all the information in all the book in the world. but you also believe that no one design it. then you also do not believe in evolution, that chance and natural selection did it. but you choose to be an atheist? that call stupidity. choose something without base for it. an atheist is stupid, but atheist who do not believe in evolution is really beyond stupid.
@OmfgItsHenu complex system that works are the mark of designer. that is the evidence. if designer is exist, it is very relevant. that means atheist is wrong.
@probokator Actually you got it wrong. You cant explain why things are how they are & therefore assume it must have a creator, in particular your God. You are the one choosing to hold beliefs without a base (verifiable evidence) and yet call another person stupid. Atheists are open to the evidence of God, may there be one, but feel-good stories and false promises wont cut it. Until that moment they simply postpone judgment & prefer neutral ground. Btw atheism and evolution theorie are not linked
@OhReallyNoWai I do have a base, when there is a system which are better than the most sophiscated device invented by human exist (like dna, cell), there must be a creator. you cannot prove something is 100% true. but that must not stop you to make a choice. Judge must decide base on which one has highly possibility to be truth. stay neutral is not an option. an there is highly possible to be the truth that god exist. molecullar biology support it.
@OhReallyNoWai I do have a base, when there is a system which are better than the most sophiscated device invented by human exist (like dna, cell), there must be a creator. you cannot prove something is 100% true. but that must not stop you to make a choice. Judge must decide base on which one has highly possibility to be truth. stay neutral is not an option. an there is highly possible to be the truth that god exist. molecullar biology support it.
@probokator Atheists can be racist, but not all atheists are racist. Also, not all racists are atheists... take a look at the KKK for example. Stop trolling.
@OhReallyNoWai actually, I make this vid as a counter for draw Muhammad day. supraisingly, there are more atheist join it than christian. yes I do not say that all atheist is racist. but if you really believe in evolution you should became one. Just like hitler. when he said that evolution is his science basic for his eugenic program (speeding up the process of natural selection, human breeding = kills the diseased and "abnormal" people, to create superior people. the point of my pciture no1)
@probokator lol wth, I should become a racist because I am an atheist? The rejection of deities has nothing to do with any racial related matters. Don't forget that Hitler was a catholic and in his book there are several quotes by him saying that he is doing God's work. Evolution is just a theorie based on observations and verifiable evidence. It's not a doctrine telling you who to hate, for some weird reason that is just your interpretation (brainwashed?) It's also not linked to atheism.
@OhReallyNoWai read my comment before yapping. I do not say hitler is atheist. I said he believe in evolution. and atheist must believe in evolution, are you not? cos if don't, they do not have anything to explain the fact that there is living thing. do you not believe in evolution? if you believe it, you must also believe that the natural law is struggle and survival. that we are here not by a purpose. shit just happend. there is no meaning in love, or sacrifice for other.
@probokator You make a lot of assumptions there. Evolution is just a theorie, however supported by a large amount of evidence, it has nothing to do with spiritual beliefs. It are religious people making an issue out of it because it contradicts their creation story. About purpose, technically I don't think there is a ultimate purpose, but do we need one? Do you feel insignificant without a purpose? One of my favorite quotes by Carl Sagan: "we are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
@OhReallyNoWai it have everything to do with spritual belief. if evolution is wrong, one is stupid to choose to disbelieve in god. you are the one who make assumption. Islam creation story is not contradic evolution. God can choose to make live via evolution, but He don't. the evidence say it.ofcource purpose is everything. we are driven by it. learn about communism, and why they do what they do when they feel their purpose is to struggle
@probokator The evolution theorie contradicts any form of creation, so what you say makes no sense. Btw I am an agnostic atheist, how can I be 'wrong' if I don't even have a judgment about God. 'Absence of evidence is no evidence for absence'. I don't exclude the possibility of the existence of God, I just don't see any evidence that could possibly convince me. At this moment I am neutral and open to any kind of evidence. The same goes for unicorns by the way.
I suspect that you are ignorant, ignorant meaning lacking of knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact. I will do my best to educate you.
Slide 1: Down syndrome. Down syndrome has the genetic advantage of less probability of some cancers, as such no atheist would encourage there lack attempts at breeding, beyond that down syndrome does however have a high infertility rate, with males being exceptionally infertile, and females have great difficulties.
I suspect that you are ignorant, ignorant meaning lacking of knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact. I will do my best to educate you.
Slide 1: Down syndrome. Down syndrome has the genetic advantage of less probability of some cancers, as such no atheist would encourage there lack attempts at breeding, beyond that down syndrome does however have a high infertility rate, with males being exceptionally infertile, and females have great difficulties.
The quality was not great, but the parody of religion was good. I especially liked making fun of the assertion that one must believe in sin not to steal a wallet.
"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
In 1777-78 America fought hard against THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND's Spaghetti Monster at Valley Forge. General George Washington did not bow down to King James Book as the word of God during the time of the INQUISTION, which was incorrectly depicted by a Christian Artist named Arnold Friberg.
Thomas "Tom" Paine from (1737 to 1809) was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, his book was notorious for The Age of Reason that advocates deism and promotes for the reason of free thinking and argues against institutionalized religion and Christian doctrines. Lets not forget about the 300 year Flat Earth Inquisition when millions of people were dyeing for our Religious Freedoms on a 100,000 Burning Crosses.
whoever made this is either a retard or a Muslim but probly a Muslim retard. The drawings suck. It didn't make any sense, are four or are you a "syndrome down kid" wtf
You know I have seen arguments put forward by theists who are polite and reasonable. Needless to say this guy isn't one of them. This ignorant yapper knows about as much about atheism as the sahara desert knows about snowmen.
So you'd rather that guy be a virgin, and a pussy rather than be slightly better at science? And you can't say that we are racist as it is well known that many religions have strong beliefs against other races and even stronger opinions against other religions.
@probokator - This video is an inaccurate representation of the concept of Atheist You imply that people who do not believe in socially constructed god and prophets are immoral. I argue that I don't need a holy book to teach me not to murder, steal, or to misunderstand the golden rule of treating others as I would wish to be treated.
This video tries to paint people who identify as atheist as being inherently immoral. Either you have no idea what Atheism is, or you are just being dishonest!
Oh, and making the human race less diverse does not make it stronger. No atheist thinks that way, but who cares. You are going to delete my comment anyway because you made this vid only to offend people, and so you obviously do not care about other people.
Some good points about being an atheist in here I have to admit, wouldn't agree with all of them but I think it does show how people normally of lower intelligence turn to religion as the truth can be scary. Ignorance is bliss, so as long as you aren't intelligent enough to understand how ridiculous organised religions are, then good for you, just try to enjoy your life in ignorance. If you are one of those "intelligent religious people" who promotes religion out of fear of death....grow up.
@brumfed10 what are you saying? i'm free as hell. I worship Allah coz I want it. I do not have any imam or any person who can tell me what to do, what I can't do or must do. I submit only to Allah, with sincere. And why the hell I should force you or any other person to enter Islam? I mean, when you burn in hell in afterlife, it doesn't effect me at all? My job is only to convey the message, that's it. whether you accept it or not it is your own choice.
@probokator free???? so you just happen to worship a god made up by people who your parents believed in. You are not free and have clearly suuffered from religious mental abuse. If you follow your book you should not be friends with anyone non muslim and women are not equal....this is not good for the world, you are enabling a world where people can be brainwashed into becoming psycho's. Hence if you are intelligent enough, try to free your mind, It sounds like you can't v sad
@brumfed10 but I do have a problem if you blame me for the things that some psycho did. I mean just because some psycho blew up a train suddenly your government have a reason to suck our oil, get our land and kill our babies. And also delay my promotion....
@probokator How on Earth am "I" blaming you for 7/7. Furthermore, most of the killing is done between religious fanatics within countries at which the UK is in conflict with. I am not saying oil wasn't a factor as I am not sure which country is your country. If it is Iraq, then a dictator suppressing and murdering his people was a bad thing and should have been dealt with in 1991. Most religious texts are evil and archaic, fortunetly most people are not so don't follow them literally.
I like how the picture showed one chick and he quoted wive(S) from the Koran. Nice misinterpretation indeed. American men have more than one wife, the previous one just gets half his shit and the kids and then shacks up with a new man to reap the benefits of not getting remarried until the court system time allotment runs out for alimony. You guys just throw rocks at them until they die. Hmmm, maybe I will become Islamic.....
@cr4yv3n hey it is my video, so up yours buddy. by the way you are ignorant. try read the prophet biography, at least the one written by non muslim like karen armstrong... but I guess you wouldn't do that coz being ignorant is cool right.
@cr4yv3n Well, I mean insulting my drawing, my bad english, or my logic if you didn't agree. Not the prophet coz, this vid is not about the prophet. But anyway, whatever....
@9CrystalDragon2 Also, if you really believe in evolution, you will believe that everything happend by accident, no purpose or plan whatsoever. Then by accident, first live born, then it have single "purpose", which is to survive and past its traits to next generation. You know, evolution icon, survival of the fittest, only the strong, well that lead to racist I believe. That what darwin believe when he ask, wheter aborigin should be classified as monkey or human.
@probokator Right first I'm not a bro, second Draw mohammad day was made as a point that just because you draw a cartoon doesn't mean you should make death threats about it (by you I mean the people who made them).Atheists do get put in a stereotype view quite a bit, just because I don't believe I was created doesn't mean I don't believe I have a purpose, I have more to offer than passing on my genes and believe I am part of something bigger, as for darwin give me a link to where you got that
@9CrystalDragon2 Okay sis, I agree that we should not death threats anyone. But to put the head of a person which hold dearly by millions of people in the body of a dog is blatantly insult (freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of speech). Wheter you then have a purpose in your live, I can't disagree. But in the view of atheism, we are here just because of random accident, shit just happend. Universe,all its glory and living being including you just happend by random accident, no purpose
@probokator I can understand how it is insulting and not meaning to defend southpark but southpark is an insulting show it insults everyone and everything however they made an exception for the prophet they knew that drawing him in your religion was against the religion (hopefully you got that it's a bit confusing the way I typed it) so they put him in a bear suit to try and be a bit more sensitive which is not what they do for other religions and it obviously backfired. Hitler may have used
the origan of species as a scientific support but it was his theist views that was his reason for doing so "finally to put an end to racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty creator beings such as he himself created?"[Mein Kempf Vol 2 Ch 2]. Also darwin says that his theory was incomplete at the time. I have no doubt that your religion talks about anti-racism and I don't think I ever says it does. My only problem is when people use their religion to justify wrong doings.
info its peaked my interest, yes if we lived by darwinian principles it would be a cruel world, but the fact of how we became human remains a fact cruel or not and now people have the ability to change that and overcome the cruel natural world also is it that surprising that in the past that he may have been a racist back then, understanding of people and morals were not as well known as today. Racism was condoned by the religious and was probably well excepted before evolution was introduced.
@9CrystalDragon2 you know we can't put link in youtube comments. just google for Ota Benga. You would suprise how darwin's theory influence people to became racist. Hitler also said that "origin of species" is scientific base for his super aryan race ideology. No, Islam do not condone racism. See the Quranic verse I put in the vid. Also in the prophet last sermont, He say: White is not better than black, arab is not better than non arab, it's the piety which count in the eye of God.
WOW just WOW, I was actually insulted usually I find religious views of atheists funny but the last two are just plain wrong, is that really how you see atheists acting! seriously whats with the racist part with the black guy look and the dick part. We do have morals. We do have feelings. We do see people as equals (at least in the same rato as religious people if not more so) and we have to put up with people who think its right to threaten people because their religion says its true.
@9CrystalDragon2 Wow, hold your horses bro. Maybe I should put disclaimer to say that I don't believe all atheist is evil or racist. I just make this vid to respond to Draw Muhammad day at that time. Coz suprisingly, your kin is the biggest participant, not christian. How do you like that? to be put in the stereotype view of other group?
Probokator, you seem like a good person. What a shame you were born into this brutal blood cult and are denied your freedom to choose anything but Islam and its primitive, barbaric laws.
It is almost certain your pre-Muslim ancestors were attacked, murdered, subjugated, enslaved, and converted to Islam by force. This curse has been passed on from one generation to the next. Strike a blow for the blood of your ancestors. Quit this oppressive, self-righteous, hateful, violent religion.
@Astrobrant2 I choose Islam. Yes I was born in Islam family. But I ever became agnostic and ask all the ultimate question. In the end I choose Islam after deep thingking and researching. Guess I can make you change the prejudice which already implanted in your hearth. But do you really have read Quran from cover to cover? If not. I dont think you are eligible from research view to say all that. Again I'm Indonesian. NO ISLAMIC SOLDIER EVER STOOD FOOT IN OUR LAND! we became muslim from trading!
@probokator Your deep thinking, (muddied by mandatory groveling to your god five times a day), did not allow you to see how ugly this religion is. It did not allow you to see how cruel and vicious your god *and* your prophet are. You are a slave to it and many generations of your ancestors have been enslaved by it as well.
I suspect that your willingness to choose Islam may have been influenced somewhat by aggressive brainwashing and the knowledge that you could be EXECUTED for denying it.
@Astrobrant2 Your ignorant is amazing! really. You never read quran cover to cover yet you are soo convinced that your ignorant thingking about Islam is true. You really sound like a real ignorant you know! the one that base all his assumption on media headline! No really when you said executed you really look like a bigot. I can do all I like, and believe what I believe. No one or no muslim will executed me. So good bye. Quran: Lakum Dinukum Waliyadin (for you IS YOUR WAY, for me IS MY WAY)!!
@probokator If I never read a single word of the Quran, the well documented history of your religion would be enough. But even without that, the videos and data that can be gathered on the Internet which are produced BY Muslims would be enough. I've studied many of the elements of Sharia Law and THAT, alone, would be enough. I've read some of the Quran and claiming I have to read it from cover to cover is ridiculous.
@Astrobrant2 If u read history enough u will know at that time there were no United Nation. All nation must conquer or be conquered. In early day of Islam, they have been attacked by the byzantine empire. Muslim know, if they don't attack they will be attacked by those two great empire at that time. Byzantine and Persian. What count is what they do after they conquer. It is a fact that muslim did not force their religion on christian byzantine. And even the people pay less tax than at byzantine
@Astrobrant2 And what you know about sharia law? Must be the perverted version of Islamic hater which say that a women who raped should be punish, honor killing, death penalty for apostacy, or stoning for adulterer. Which none of it written in Quran or hadist.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Here, "persecution" can be defined any way a Muslim chooses to define it.
@Astrobrant2 Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
@Astrobrant2 Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
@Astrobrant2 Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
@Astrobrant2 Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
@Astrobrant2 Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
@Astrobrant2 Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
@Astrobrant2 Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"
This verse, of course leaves the definition of "persecution" wide open for interpretation. Apparently drawing cartoons, making a video, or writing a book count as persecution.
@Astrobrant2 Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."
@Astrobrant2 Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
@Astrobrant2 Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
@Astrobrant2 Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
@Astrobrant2 Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."
@Astrobrant2 Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."
@Astrobrant2 Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."
@Astrobrant2 Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similtudes. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"
@Astrobrant2 Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"
Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" ...followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam)
@Astrobrant2 Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."
Would you like me to post some of the Hadith, as that is also a core document of Islam?
@Astrobrant2 All the verse you quote is to fight in war with those who oppress you. [60.1] Believers, do not take My enemy and your enemy for your guides, offering them love when they have disbelieved the truth that has come to you, WHO EXPEL THE MESSENGER AND YOURSELF JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN ALLAH, YOUR LORD! -->From this verse we conclude that the war is because pagan arab at that time persecuted muslim just because they convert to Islam. Should the muslim not fighting back?
@probokator "All the verse you quote is to fight in war with those who oppress you."
Again, I say you are putting your own spin on these verses. Most of them do NOT specify people who have oppressed Muslims. They merely state "non-believers" and "hypocrites." And some are clearly aggressive and imperialistic.
Is it illegal for you to twist these passages to your own liking, or is that allowed by Taqiyya?
@Astrobrant2 What taqiya? that bullshit again? Taqiya is lying when your life is in danger. Like when you are jew, and a nazi ask you wheter you are jew. You can lie at that time. Or your enemies ask you where are your troops.
@Astrobrant2 NO That what you think. Nah, I do not need to lie to you in order for you to became muslim. If you want to stay as atheist and rotten in hell, that is your choice. My job and other muslim job is to convey the message. If you reject the messege, it is your own choice, and your own reliability in the here after. I mean, what the hell I should lie???
@Astrobrant2 What would you do, if muslim persecuted atheist just because you are atheist? YOU WILL FIGHT DID YOU? It is the same. All the verse that you quote is the order for muslim to be brave and bold, to fight the unbeliever WHICH persecuted muslim just because they convert to Islam.
@probokator Muslims DO persecute AND MURDER atheists. And Jews and Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and gays and apostates and hypocrites and critics and blasphemers and adulterers.
No, you are trying to put your own spin on the verses I posted. The majority of them make NO such distinction about this hatred being exclusive to those who persecuted Muslims.
There are 109 such verses. Would you like me to post the rest? How about the Hadith?
@Astrobrant2 Learn again about history. Learn about Andalusia. Muslim in spain. They are prosperous kingdom under muslim which jew and christian live together in harmony.
@probokator And how did they get as far as Spain? They ravaged all of North Africa, that's how. Muhammed and his cult invaded the entire Middle East and as far as Vienna, where they were finally stopped. Islam invaded Jerusalem, destroyed the temple and built a mosque on its ruins. Islam aggressed into India resulting in a war which killed millions of Hindus. Now Islam is invading and murdering people on a daily basis in Indonesia and countries of Indo-China.
@Astrobrant2 Yeah, so what. Do you really understand about the ancient history? You know at that time it is either conquer or conquered. What about the roman conquer everything? About the mongols? About Alexander the great? How about europeans imperalism? How about Hiroshima Nagasaki? And where the hell you standing right now? You are standing in the carcass of millions of indians! It is their fuckin' land you build your country upon!
@Astrobrant2 [60.7] It may be that Allah establishes love between you and those with whom you are at enmity. Allah is the Powerful, Allah is the Forgiving and the Most Merciful.
@Astrobrant2 Yes, the verse came when some muslim act that their pagan enemies as the arc enemies. This verse come to be true. Some pagans one by one convert to islam and join the muslim rank. Incording their best commandant, Khalid bin Walid and Abu Sofyan (Meccan pagan leader).
@Astrobrant2 [60.8] Allah does not forbid you to be kind and to act justly to those who have neither made war on your Religion nor expelled you from your homes. Allah loves the just.
@Astrobrant2 [60.9] But Allah only forbids you to be guided by those who have fought against you in your religion's cause and expelled you from your homes or have supported others in your expulsion. Whosoever takes them as guides are harmdoers.
@Astrobrant2 Those are medinan. You should know a bit about history of the prophet. He and his follower was persecuted by pagan meccan, just because they believe in one God. Then prophet migrate to medinan with his follower and accepted by the medinan. The pagan meccan try to genocide muslim. Then comes those "sword verse" that order the muslim to be bold and brave and defend the religion against the oppression. Cont.
@probokator From the time Muhammed was expelled from Mecca, he warred against Mecca and committed one atrocity after another in HIS attempt to commit genocide. And for 1400 years since, Islam has used him as a model and has been doing the same thing everywhere they can reach. The goal of Islam is to dominate the world and FORCE others to accept Islam. It is happening in dozens of countries even today.
This is the core of your religion: hate, intimidation, violence, and total domination.
@Astrobrant2 First of, why did the prophet and his follower expelled from mecca? why did the pagan mecca expell the muslim just because they believe in one God? When they expelled, the muslim did not carry any of their property. Which means they are broke, and hardly living by the mercy of the medinan. But the helper of the medinan also do not have much wealth. So it is not just for the muslim to try take back their property from the meccan? By raiding some of their caravan?
@Astrobrant2 Sooo ignorant, if Muhammad intentions is genociding meccan population, why when he finally able to conquer mecca, he give total amnesty to the meccan? Why? Because He fight only to defend the rights of one to believe what he wants to believe.
@probokator Slipped up a bit did ya there? You don't know what I mean>? Aren't you fucking evil muslims always saying they're peaceful and Muhammad was peaceful, even though he was a pedophile however you try to justify it.
@probokator Slipped up a bit did ya there? You don't know what I mean>? Aren't you fucking evil muslims always saying they're peaceful and Muhammad was peaceful, even though he was a pedophile however you try to justify it. And you turn right around and tell us how he CONQUERED Mecca....????conquered?
@JstNEarthling Granpa, I would not address you harsly. Coz, we are told to honor elderly. The pagan mecca persecuted the prophet and his follower. Just because they believe in one God. The prophet and his follower must migrate to Medina, without taking their belongins. Then the meccan want to stop and destroy muslim at medina. Some battle accurs. After the prophet began to gain more ranks, he attack mecca and conqured it. No bloodshed, coz the meccan surrender. What prophet do? He forgave them.
for a person who have so much hate toward islam, you didn't even take sometime to read the biography of the prophet, at least just for research. You know, just to make you not to look soo ignorant. And lack of reason. Did not america conquer german in WWII? Does it make america evil in your opinion? That wasn't even an argument. Well you see the prophet is not pedophile. But judge from your comment, it obvious that you will shut your ear and say na na na na to a real argument.
@probokator I don't hate islam it's an inanimate objective name. But I can and do hate the perpetrators of the indoctrination of people into a cult, especially innocent children who can not fight back.And this indoctrination is manufactured by men is evidenced by the focus you perverts have on sex and sexuality....seems like every time y'all bring up punishment or tenets, they are sexually focused...like the adultery laws that kill a woman and make the man pay money.....stone age crap.
@JstNEarthling Whatever.... Seem that you do not want to listen to any argument. So be it. Lakum dinukum waliyadin. For you is your way for me is my way.
@Astrobrant2 But just like all human. Some muslim hesistate to fought the pagan meccan. Because they were out number greatly. Some jew in medinan broke the treaty with muslim and attack from the back. Then cames much verse to boost the muslim troops morale. But then cames these verse and indeed even the sword verse, say that we are not suppose to be violent agains unbeliever, jew or christian if they are not oppress us. That was simple just. So yes, you must read Quran as whole to understand.
@probokator You forgot to mention the verses, (at least two), which condemn Muslims who will not fight.
Which verse says you're not supposed to be violent against unbelievers, Jews, or Christians? I'll bet it's a verse from Muhammed's days in Mecca which is abrogated by later verses of the kind that I posted.
At 1:20 You say that a RAPIST accused of attacking GIRLS must be a homosexual? You are a real piece of shit.
moopism 1 month ago
@moopism You may want to check your brain before check other. many people see this vid and only you think that what I mean is : At 1:20 You say that a RAPIST accused of attacking GIRLS must be a homosexual?
probokator 1 month ago
@probokator You made an equivocation, it is the same thing.
moopism 1 month ago
@moopism it's not the same. many atheist see this vid. many didn't agree, but only you think so. Let me explain. Atheist said that: look, gay is in the gene. why did god created it that way but then he punish people for doing what natural to them. My analogy is: Scientist also said that serial killer have the tendencies write on their gene, does that make the court could not punish him? But in the end, all was lie. Gay genes is hoax. It is found that the researcher manipulated the data
probokator 1 month ago
@probokator If you did not mean to compare homosexuals to rapists, then why even make the analogy at all?
You can dance all night, but you said what you said to inflame people in a bigotted way against homosexuals, or you would not have raised the issue.
Please explain to me ONE country where a convicted rapist would be allowed to roam free, even if they were determined to be insane.
Your whole point there was to vilify homosexuals.
moopism 1 month ago
@moopism I didn't raise the issue. atheist raise the issue. They said look at your stupid book. It said that homosexual will be punished in hell. they said: why did God put tendencies in the genes for homosexual, but then he will punish them. Answer: scientist also said that there are tendencies written in gene for became serial killer. But that didn't stop any country not to punish serial killer. get it? But in the end the gay gene is hoax. It is really a behaviour not written in gene
probokator 1 month ago
@probokator Dance all you want. you know what you did, and why.
moopism 1 month ago
@moopism well, you just cannot make the blind see and the deaf hear. And if by this you think I have something agaist blind and deaf people, then truly your brain just cannot digest metamorphic sentences.
probokator 1 month ago
At 1:13..... Are you fucking serious? You accuse others of racism by trotting out vile racial stereotypes about Africans?
moopism 1 month ago
At 00:13..... Downs syndrom is not cased by genetics
"Current research (as of 2008) has shown that Down syndrome is due to a random event during the formation of sex cells or pregnancy. There has been no evidence that it is due to parental behavior (other than age) or environmental factors."
What you've said there is incorrect and insulting.
moopism 1 month ago
O and darkmatter2525 has good points on his cartoons on religions and this has no point what so ever.Telling by this video you dont really know about the people in the religions and the history of any of them but you know anything about atheist people that dont believe in what you believe in.Always assuming about shit ,Atheist look for answers and not assume that they are always right but religions do and have killed for it.
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@a084123 1. Dark Matter has good point, 2. this video doesn't, 3. I don't know about religion and its history, 4. I was wrong about what atheist believe. Based on point 1 to 4, it is very clear that you always assume that you are right and religious people especially me are damn wrong (what a fucking hypocrite you are).
probokator 2 months ago
@probokator O im a hypocrite then so are you based off your video and comment. : )
a084123 2 months ago
Alot of reilgion people have done more bad shit then i have and the only bad shit i did but hey lets just say all us atheist are super evil lol.
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whoever made this is a psycho!
simonfergus1 3 months ago
GREAT VIDEO, it is true most athiests do think this way, infact i use to call myself athiest cos i also think this way, even though i dont believe in a god i have to admit we athiests are selfish,
aghahowa11 5 months ago
@aghahowa11 from 2500 atheist viewer, you are the third person who honestly admit it. good good
probokator 5 months ago
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@probokator " from 2500 atheist viewer, you are the third person who honestly admit it. "
No, actually just the third moron. Might you think that ,perhaps, the other 2497 atheist like myself do not think that way. There is so much more to it then just chemicals and genes.
TheAtheistJones 4 months ago
The first thing I do when I watch a video on Youtube about religion is check the like/dislike bar. Completely red usually means it is bullshit that has been uploaded by a religious person, this video is no exception.
OhReallyNoWai 5 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai ofcourse it is going to be red. i'm making vid against atheist while 90% of the viewer is atheist. duh...
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator Its non sensical, thats why it's red. Youre trying to validate your personal beliefs by putting a group of people down based on the unrealistic image you have of them. It doesn't work that way, if you want to convince people that your personal beliefs are correct you should be able to demonstrate why. No matter how many people you put down, it doesn't validate your opinion. It tells us something about your morality though, and you have just demonstrated that your morality sucks.
OhReallyNoWai 5 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai those statement in my vid is not my peersonal believe. it is actually what atheist really believe for example. 0.19. I just put it as it is, from dawkins book, selfish gene. you and other atheist just got angry coz i touch the stupidity of your true believe
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator Atheism is a disbelief. Apart from that, people who call themselves atheist can differ a lot. In a religion, people all follow the same doctrine. Atheists do not have a doctrine, their morality might differ from person to person. I am an atheist, and so are many Japanese people, but we don't share the same morality. The only thing atheists have in common is the disbelief in God. Btw, you are also an atheist with regard to Zeus. You're just ignorant and you can only blame yourself
OhReallyNoWai 5 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai I think you are wrong about this. atheism is = a (not) theis (theos = god (greek)). so atheism is not believe in god. i'm not atheist coz I believe that god exist. So you have a different believe from dawkins that say all that human is just a vehicle of "selfish gene" that its "purpose" is just to pass its traits to the next gen? by saying that you differ from many other atheist who support dawkins.
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator You only believe in 1 particular God, and that God is propably not called Zeus. So yes, with regard to Zeus you are an atheist. He's gonna be so pissed at you, I think he will have you tortured for eternity. Anyway, passing on traits through genes is simply a fact, it is just something that happens... In this context I don't believe in purpose, what kind of emotions we attach to this fact is irrelevant and doesnt change anything. But IF Dawkins want to believe that... it's up to him.
OhReallyNoWai 5 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai u not even read my reply? atheist, with "a" like "a" in "a"moeba is negatif to the word next to it. in atheis it is negatif to theos, greek word for god. so atheist just means not believe in god. I believe in one god. that makes me not an atheist, even that I dont believe in zeus. yes It is relevant. when you believe that survival is the basic law, only the strong, it is relevant to how you would react. like how communist reach coz they believe struggle is the basic law of nature
probokator 5 months ago
EPIC FACEPALM
rogerswift1983 5 months ago
@SavedByGraceNotWork Two forms of the same delusion.
FlyingPinkUnicorn 5 months ago
I had to pause it at 1:15 to see if it actually said what I thought it said.
FlyingPinkUnicorn 5 months ago
this was just plain retarded
OmfgItsHenu 5 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu funny that many of you just insult and do not give an argument
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator argument against what?
this video was idiotic propaganda.
just my opinion, and apparently many others also.
OmfgItsHenu 5 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu just try. like 0.19, that stephen dawkins saying in his book. sellfish gene not mine. when people think like that, they simplified love into some drying dung. While there are millions of poems, movie, song written about love. And he simplified it into a cold mechanism of unconciousness gene to survive? what a bullshit. And even it is dangerous way of thingking, coz you will think that survival is the most important thing more than love.
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator whats the problem with the love thing?
does your worldview crumble when you realize emotions are basically just chemistry?
why would that make it any less of what they are? knowledge makes them less meaningful? ignorance is a bliss?
-also, do you want me to debunk your every picture? i can, but some of them are pretty much the same.
OmfgItsHenu 5 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu just pick one. coz all I put is really are the believe of an atheist. ofcourse it make it less. do u say it to your girlfriend when you want to propose her? that your love is nothing than a gene make you its vehicle to survive. that you actually just want to fuck her so she can bear your offspring? what an insult to love. No, we should know about how it happend. yes it is happend via chemical reaction mechanism, but it is designed for a greater purpose
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator "coz all I put is really are the believe of an atheist"
let me help you a bit;
cosmology =/= atheism
chemistry =/= atheism
racism =/= atheism (derp?)
genetics =/= atheism
"what an insult to love"
well, apparently i was right. science does threaten your world-view.
OmfgItsHenu 5 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu oh come on, just make one counter argument for any picture in my vid. for example. racism. yes atheist support racism. atheist must believe in evolution theory. darwin ask in his book descend of man, questioned wheter an aborigin can be grouped into human or monkey. this view make white'y can kill aborigin as easy as kill a monkey. yes your view treaten the rest of human kind. it is not the science. i do not agains science. it is your perverted interpretation that threaten the world
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator "atheist must believe in evolution theory."
nope, you clearly dont even know what atheism means.
there are atheists who dont believe in evolution, just like there are theists that do.
once again, atheism has nothing to do with biology, or anything else.
-and evolution teaches you that nature selects the fittest for reproduction. it isnt evolution that a specie kills another, or itself.
seriously, learn your definitions, youre making an idiot out of yourself.
OmfgItsHenu 5 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu atheist do not believe in god. so they must believe in evolution. if not how can they answer why there are live as we see today. by believing in evolution, that lesser unevolved race are bound to extict, make people think it is normal to genocides aborigins.
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator "so they must believe in evolution."
once again, no. try to understand this this time.
atheism is simply philosophical. it has nothing to do with biology.
"that lesser unevolved race are bound to extict"
species. the word you are looking for is species. and not bound, that is just incorrect.
race is actually only a social term (not used in science), and it doesnt even mean a different specie.
-and again, learning definitions before an argument is crucial.
OmfgItsHenu 5 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu yes they must. if not, u dont have an explaination that earth is full of life. 100% atheist is believe in evolution, are they not? I don't understand evolution or u? it say by gradual changes, start from different race, they can became different species. do u even ever read "descent of man" by darwin? I quote it, "lesser species are bound to extict. in not so distant features, negroid or chinesse will be extict subdued by more evolved white man
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator "if not, u dont have an explaination that earth is full of life"
no, some dont believe because of the supposed gaps.
all atheists do not accept evolution, it isnt a necessity. how many times must i tell u this?
"I don't understand evolution or u?"
i would say you. since i have actually studied it.
"do u even ever read "descent of man" by darwin?"
irrelevant. even if it did say the quote, it doesnt matter.
example: Newton was into alchemy, but that doesnt make it true.
OmfgItsHenu 5 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu so you know that gene is complex, 1 spoon of it can store all the information in all the book in the world. but you also believe that no one design it. then you also do not believe in evolution, that chance and natural selection did it. but you choose to be an atheist? that call stupidity. choose something without base for it. an atheist is stupid, but atheist who do not believe in evolution is really beyond stupid.
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator "1 spoon of it can store all the information in all the book in the world."
depends on the spoon ;)
"but you also believe that no one design it"
there is no need for a designer, or evidence that indicates one. even if there were, the evolutionary path wouldnt change.
adding a designer is just an opinion; its existence is irrelevant to the facts.
"but atheist who do not believe in evolution is really beyond stupid"
or influenced by propaganda. this is the case mostly.
OmfgItsHenu 5 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu complex system that works are the mark of designer. that is the evidence. if designer is exist, it is very relevant. that means atheist is wrong.
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator "complex system that works are the mark of designer"
there is not a single "complex system" that hasnt been explained via evolution.
(you can go ahead and not start with the cliche human eye and bacterial flagellum, just for the sake of your credibility)
"if designer is exist, it is very relevant"
if it does, it cannot have any effect on the material world. thats why it isnt relevant.
"that means atheist is wrong"
is this the 4th or 5th time? biology IS NOT atheism.
OmfgItsHenu 5 months ago
@probokator Actually you got it wrong. You cant explain why things are how they are & therefore assume it must have a creator, in particular your God. You are the one choosing to hold beliefs without a base (verifiable evidence) and yet call another person stupid. Atheists are open to the evidence of God, may there be one, but feel-good stories and false promises wont cut it. Until that moment they simply postpone judgment & prefer neutral ground. Btw atheism and evolution theorie are not linked
OhReallyNoWai 5 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai I do have a base, when there is a system which are better than the most sophiscated device invented by human exist (like dna, cell), there must be a creator. you cannot prove something is 100% true. but that must not stop you to make a choice. Judge must decide base on which one has highly possibility to be truth. stay neutral is not an option. an there is highly possible to be the truth that god exist. molecullar biology support it.
probokator 5 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai I do have a base, when there is a system which are better than the most sophiscated device invented by human exist (like dna, cell), there must be a creator. you cannot prove something is 100% true. but that must not stop you to make a choice. Judge must decide base on which one has highly possibility to be truth. stay neutral is not an option. an there is highly possible to be the truth that god exist. molecullar biology support it.
probokator 5 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai it is 2 o clock in the night already in my time zone. see you another time. I have to work tomorrow.
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator Atheists can be racist, but not all atheists are racist. Also, not all racists are atheists... take a look at the KKK for example. Stop trolling.
OhReallyNoWai 5 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai actually, I make this vid as a counter for draw Muhammad day. supraisingly, there are more atheist join it than christian. yes I do not say that all atheist is racist. but if you really believe in evolution you should became one. Just like hitler. when he said that evolution is his science basic for his eugenic program (speeding up the process of natural selection, human breeding = kills the diseased and "abnormal" people, to create superior people. the point of my pciture no1)
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator lol wth, I should become a racist because I am an atheist? The rejection of deities has nothing to do with any racial related matters. Don't forget that Hitler was a catholic and in his book there are several quotes by him saying that he is doing God's work. Evolution is just a theorie based on observations and verifiable evidence. It's not a doctrine telling you who to hate, for some weird reason that is just your interpretation (brainwashed?) It's also not linked to atheism.
OhReallyNoWai 5 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai read my comment before yapping. I do not say hitler is atheist. I said he believe in evolution. and atheist must believe in evolution, are you not? cos if don't, they do not have anything to explain the fact that there is living thing. do you not believe in evolution? if you believe it, you must also believe that the natural law is struggle and survival. that we are here not by a purpose. shit just happend. there is no meaning in love, or sacrifice for other.
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator You make a lot of assumptions there. Evolution is just a theorie, however supported by a large amount of evidence, it has nothing to do with spiritual beliefs. It are religious people making an issue out of it because it contradicts their creation story. About purpose, technically I don't think there is a ultimate purpose, but do we need one? Do you feel insignificant without a purpose? One of my favorite quotes by Carl Sagan: "we are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
OhReallyNoWai 5 months ago
@OhReallyNoWai it have everything to do with spritual belief. if evolution is wrong, one is stupid to choose to disbelieve in god. you are the one who make assumption. Islam creation story is not contradic evolution. God can choose to make live via evolution, but He don't. the evidence say it.ofcource purpose is everything. we are driven by it. learn about communism, and why they do what they do when they feel their purpose is to struggle
probokator 5 months ago
@probokator The evolution theorie contradicts any form of creation, so what you say makes no sense. Btw I am an agnostic atheist, how can I be 'wrong' if I don't even have a judgment about God. 'Absence of evidence is no evidence for absence'. I don't exclude the possibility of the existence of God, I just don't see any evidence that could possibly convince me. At this moment I am neutral and open to any kind of evidence. The same goes for unicorns by the way.
OhReallyNoWai 5 months ago
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I suspect that you are ignorant, ignorant meaning lacking of knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact. I will do my best to educate you.
Slide 1: Down syndrome. Down syndrome has the genetic advantage of less probability of some cancers, as such no atheist would encourage there lack attempts at breeding, beyond that down syndrome does however have a high infertility rate, with males being exceptionally infertile, and females have great difficulties.
swoop2004 5 months ago
I suspect that you are ignorant, ignorant meaning lacking of knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact. I will do my best to educate you.
Slide 1: Down syndrome. Down syndrome has the genetic advantage of less probability of some cancers, as such no atheist would encourage there lack attempts at breeding, beyond that down syndrome does however have a high infertility rate, with males being exceptionally infertile, and females have great difficulties.
swoop2004 5 months ago
*facepalm, more twisted stereotypes!
jjcrazi 6 months ago
fuck you're retarded.
randomperson2538 6 months ago
The quality was not great, but the parody of religion was good. I especially liked making fun of the assertion that one must believe in sin not to steal a wallet.
trueleroix 6 months ago
1:05 Is not about glory is about helping others
pochopaz7381 6 months ago
That deep down is your own view of reality, you view reality without your god that way, and think that everybody else does.... sorry but no...
pochopaz7381 6 months ago
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"THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION." (Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11: Written during the Administration of George Washington and signed into law by John Adams.)
MagicTellaVision 6 months ago
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In 1777-78 America fought hard against THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND's Spaghetti Monster at Valley Forge. General George Washington did not bow down to King James Book as the word of God during the time of the INQUISTION, which was incorrectly depicted by a Christian Artist named Arnold Friberg.
MagicTellaVision 6 months ago
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Thomas "Tom" Paine from (1737 to 1809) was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, his book was notorious for The Age of Reason that advocates deism and promotes for the reason of free thinking and argues against institutionalized religion and Christian doctrines. Lets not forget about the 300 year Flat Earth Inquisition when millions of people were dyeing for our Religious Freedoms on a 100,000 Burning Crosses.
MagicTellaVision 6 months ago
whoever made this is either a retard or a Muslim but probly a Muslim retard. The drawings suck. It didn't make any sense, are four or are you a "syndrome down kid" wtf
subnoize123 6 months ago
You know I have seen arguments put forward by theists who are polite and reasonable. Needless to say this guy isn't one of them. This ignorant yapper knows about as much about atheism as the sahara desert knows about snowmen.
Lathox 7 months ago
Drawings suck!
Airmanf7 7 months ago
Yawn
BoggiD101 7 months ago
Troll, or fucking retard- which one are you?
Roushfan5 7 months ago
So you'd rather that guy be a virgin, and a pussy rather than be slightly better at science? And you can't say that we are racist as it is well known that many religions have strong beliefs against other races and even stronger opinions against other religions.
xXUMPXx45 7 months ago
@SavedByGraceNotWork a statement is not an argument
probokator 7 months ago
@probokator - This video is an inaccurate representation of the concept of Atheist You imply that people who do not believe in socially constructed god and prophets are immoral. I argue that I don't need a holy book to teach me not to murder, steal, or to misunderstand the golden rule of treating others as I would wish to be treated.
This video tries to paint people who identify as atheist as being inherently immoral. Either you have no idea what Atheism is, or you are just being dishonest!
bitphr3ak 5 months ago
Oh, and making the human race less diverse does not make it stronger. No atheist thinks that way, but who cares. You are going to delete my comment anyway because you made this vid only to offend people, and so you obviously do not care about other people.
You are immoral, and so is your holy book.
Nidair 8 months ago 17
"For energy in the belly of worms" is a great phrase, and I like the song.
The rest is just silly uneducated nonsense, though.
Mugsterful 8 months ago
@YodaLN Ramen
gamingsoul11 8 months ago
Some good points about being an atheist in here I have to admit, wouldn't agree with all of them but I think it does show how people normally of lower intelligence turn to religion as the truth can be scary. Ignorance is bliss, so as long as you aren't intelligent enough to understand how ridiculous organised religions are, then good for you, just try to enjoy your life in ignorance. If you are one of those "intelligent religious people" who promotes religion out of fear of death....grow up.
brumfed10 10 months ago 8
@brumfed10 what are you saying? i'm free as hell. I worship Allah coz I want it. I do not have any imam or any person who can tell me what to do, what I can't do or must do. I submit only to Allah, with sincere. And why the hell I should force you or any other person to enter Islam? I mean, when you burn in hell in afterlife, it doesn't effect me at all? My job is only to convey the message, that's it. whether you accept it or not it is your own choice.
probokator 10 months ago
@probokator free???? so you just happen to worship a god made up by people who your parents believed in. You are not free and have clearly suuffered from religious mental abuse. If you follow your book you should not be friends with anyone non muslim and women are not equal....this is not good for the world, you are enabling a world where people can be brainwashed into becoming psycho's. Hence if you are intelligent enough, try to free your mind, It sounds like you can't v sad
brumfed10 10 months ago
@brumfed10 but I do have a problem if you blame me for the things that some psycho did. I mean just because some psycho blew up a train suddenly your government have a reason to suck our oil, get our land and kill our babies. And also delay my promotion....
probokator 10 months ago
@probokator How on Earth am "I" blaming you for 7/7. Furthermore, most of the killing is done between religious fanatics within countries at which the UK is in conflict with. I am not saying oil wasn't a factor as I am not sure which country is your country. If it is Iraq, then a dictator suppressing and murdering his people was a bad thing and should have been dealt with in 1991. Most religious texts are evil and archaic, fortunetly most people are not so don't follow them literally.
brumfed10 10 months ago
There are no words to express how inane this is.
colossus999 11 months ago
I like how the picture showed one chick and he quoted wive(S) from the Koran. Nice misinterpretation indeed. American men have more than one wife, the previous one just gets half his shit and the kids and then shacks up with a new man to reap the benefits of not getting remarried until the court system time allotment runs out for alimony. You guys just throw rocks at them until they die. Hmmm, maybe I will become Islamic.....
MrWhiteskull 11 months ago
@MrWhiteskull well, i don't quite understand what u talking about. your english suck. dont worry mine suck too
probokator 11 months ago
Why did you kill, raped and tortured SIX year old girls?
Mohammed: Hey it's in my religion so up yours buddy ! You're not an islamophobe, are you?
cr4yv3n 11 months ago 2
@cr4yv3n hey it is my video, so up yours buddy. by the way you are ignorant. try read the prophet biography, at least the one written by non muslim like karen armstrong... but I guess you wouldn't do that coz being ignorant is cool right.
probokator 11 months ago
@probokator I thought the video says "insulting comments are welcome".
So here's mine.
cr4yv3n 11 months ago
@cr4yv3n Well, I mean insulting my drawing, my bad english, or my logic if you didn't agree. Not the prophet coz, this vid is not about the prophet. But anyway, whatever....
probokator 11 months ago
@probokator Type in "Rule 34 mohammed"
Then click.
deividas56 9 months ago
@Mii20230201 Yeah, that whats hater usually do.But it doesn't prove anything rather than your bigotry. Insult is not an argument.
probokator 11 months ago
Wonderful cartoon, straight to the heart of why atheism is a cold philosophy bereft of emotion. Well done.
hdregmore 1 year ago
Well, I've seen way more of those arguments being used by theists and atheists...
xxSilverPhinxx 1 year ago
phew ranting makes everything better, don't usually do this (infact first time) but had to respond.
9CrystalDragon2 1 year ago
@9CrystalDragon2 Also, if you really believe in evolution, you will believe that everything happend by accident, no purpose or plan whatsoever. Then by accident, first live born, then it have single "purpose", which is to survive and past its traits to next generation. You know, evolution icon, survival of the fittest, only the strong, well that lead to racist I believe. That what darwin believe when he ask, wheter aborigin should be classified as monkey or human.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator Right first I'm not a bro, second Draw mohammad day was made as a point that just because you draw a cartoon doesn't mean you should make death threats about it (by you I mean the people who made them).Atheists do get put in a stereotype view quite a bit, just because I don't believe I was created doesn't mean I don't believe I have a purpose, I have more to offer than passing on my genes and believe I am part of something bigger, as for darwin give me a link to where you got that
9CrystalDragon2 1 year ago
@9CrystalDragon2 Okay sis, I agree that we should not death threats anyone. But to put the head of a person which hold dearly by millions of people in the body of a dog is blatantly insult (freedom of speech is not the same as freedom of speech). Wheter you then have a purpose in your live, I can't disagree. But in the view of atheism, we are here just because of random accident, shit just happend. Universe,all its glory and living being including you just happend by random accident, no purpose
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator I can understand how it is insulting and not meaning to defend southpark but southpark is an insulting show it insults everyone and everything however they made an exception for the prophet they knew that drawing him in your religion was against the religion (hopefully you got that it's a bit confusing the way I typed it) so they put him in a bear suit to try and be a bit more sensitive which is not what they do for other religions and it obviously backfired. Hitler may have used
9CrystalDragon2 1 year ago
the origan of species as a scientific support but it was his theist views that was his reason for doing so "finally to put an end to racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty creator beings such as he himself created?"[Mein Kempf Vol 2 Ch 2]. Also darwin says that his theory was incomplete at the time. I have no doubt that your religion talks about anti-racism and I don't think I ever says it does. My only problem is when people use their religion to justify wrong doings.
9CrystalDragon2 1 year ago
info its peaked my interest, yes if we lived by darwinian principles it would be a cruel world, but the fact of how we became human remains a fact cruel or not and now people have the ability to change that and overcome the cruel natural world also is it that surprising that in the past that he may have been a racist back then, understanding of people and morals were not as well known as today. Racism was condoned by the religious and was probably well excepted before evolution was introduced.
9CrystalDragon2 1 year ago
@9CrystalDragon2 you know we can't put link in youtube comments. just google for Ota Benga. You would suprise how darwin's theory influence people to became racist. Hitler also said that "origin of species" is scientific base for his super aryan race ideology. No, Islam do not condone racism. See the Quranic verse I put in the vid. Also in the prophet last sermont, He say: White is not better than black, arab is not better than non arab, it's the piety which count in the eye of God.
probokator 1 year ago
WOW just WOW, I was actually insulted usually I find religious views of atheists funny but the last two are just plain wrong, is that really how you see atheists acting! seriously whats with the racist part with the black guy look and the dick part. We do have morals. We do have feelings. We do see people as equals (at least in the same rato as religious people if not more so) and we have to put up with people who think its right to threaten people because their religion says its true.
9CrystalDragon2 1 year ago
@9CrystalDragon2 Wow, hold your horses bro. Maybe I should put disclaimer to say that I don't believe all atheist is evil or racist. I just make this vid to respond to Draw Muhammad day at that time. Coz suprisingly, your kin is the biggest participant, not christian. How do you like that? to be put in the stereotype view of other group?
probokator 1 year ago
Probokator, you seem like a good person. What a shame you were born into this brutal blood cult and are denied your freedom to choose anything but Islam and its primitive, barbaric laws.
It is almost certain your pre-Muslim ancestors were attacked, murdered, subjugated, enslaved, and converted to Islam by force. This curse has been passed on from one generation to the next. Strike a blow for the blood of your ancestors. Quit this oppressive, self-righteous, hateful, violent religion.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 I choose Islam. Yes I was born in Islam family. But I ever became agnostic and ask all the ultimate question. In the end I choose Islam after deep thingking and researching. Guess I can make you change the prejudice which already implanted in your hearth. But do you really have read Quran from cover to cover? If not. I dont think you are eligible from research view to say all that. Again I'm Indonesian. NO ISLAMIC SOLDIER EVER STOOD FOOT IN OUR LAND! we became muslim from trading!
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator Your deep thinking, (muddied by mandatory groveling to your god five times a day), did not allow you to see how ugly this religion is. It did not allow you to see how cruel and vicious your god *and* your prophet are. You are a slave to it and many generations of your ancestors have been enslaved by it as well.
I suspect that your willingness to choose Islam may have been influenced somewhat by aggressive brainwashing and the knowledge that you could be EXECUTED for denying it.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Your ignorant is amazing! really. You never read quran cover to cover yet you are soo convinced that your ignorant thingking about Islam is true. You really sound like a real ignorant you know! the one that base all his assumption on media headline! No really when you said executed you really look like a bigot. I can do all I like, and believe what I believe. No one or no muslim will executed me. So good bye. Quran: Lakum Dinukum Waliyadin (for you IS YOUR WAY, for me IS MY WAY)!!
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator If I never read a single word of the Quran, the well documented history of your religion would be enough. But even without that, the videos and data that can be gathered on the Internet which are produced BY Muslims would be enough. I've studied many of the elements of Sharia Law and THAT, alone, would be enough. I've read some of the Quran and claiming I have to read it from cover to cover is ridiculous.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 If u read history enough u will know at that time there were no United Nation. All nation must conquer or be conquered. In early day of Islam, they have been attacked by the byzantine empire. Muslim know, if they don't attack they will be attacked by those two great empire at that time. Byzantine and Persian. What count is what they do after they conquer. It is a fact that muslim did not force their religion on christian byzantine. And even the people pay less tax than at byzantine
probokator 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 And what you know about sharia law? Must be the perverted version of Islamic hater which say that a women who raped should be punish, honor killing, death penalty for apostacy, or stoning for adulterer. Which none of it written in Quran or hadist.
probokator 1 year ago
You asked for text. Well, here you go.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Here, "persecution" can be defined any way a Muslim chooses to define it.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
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@Astrobrant2 Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 This criticizes peaceful Muslims:
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
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@Astrobrant2 Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"
This verse, of course leaves the definition of "persecution" wide open for interpretation. Apparently drawing cartoons, making a video, or writing a book count as persecution.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
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@Astrobrant2 Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
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@Astrobrant2 Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similtudes. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"
Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" ...followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam)
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."
Would you like me to post some of the Hadith, as that is also a core document of Islam?
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 All the verse you quote is to fight in war with those who oppress you. [60.1] Believers, do not take My enemy and your enemy for your guides, offering them love when they have disbelieved the truth that has come to you, WHO EXPEL THE MESSENGER AND YOURSELF JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN ALLAH, YOUR LORD! -->From this verse we conclude that the war is because pagan arab at that time persecuted muslim just because they convert to Islam. Should the muslim not fighting back?
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator "All the verse you quote is to fight in war with those who oppress you."
Again, I say you are putting your own spin on these verses. Most of them do NOT specify people who have oppressed Muslims. They merely state "non-believers" and "hypocrites." And some are clearly aggressive and imperialistic.
Is it illegal for you to twist these passages to your own liking, or is that allowed by Taqiyya?
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 What taqiya? that bullshit again? Taqiya is lying when your life is in danger. Like when you are jew, and a nazi ask you wheter you are jew. You can lie at that time. Or your enemies ask you where are your troops.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator Regardless of what you SAY it is, Muslims lie to non-Muslims constantly in order to advance their causes.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 NO That what you think. Nah, I do not need to lie to you in order for you to became muslim. If you want to stay as atheist and rotten in hell, that is your choice. My job and other muslim job is to convey the message. If you reject the messege, it is your own choice, and your own reliability in the here after. I mean, what the hell I should lie???
probokator 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 What would you do, if muslim persecuted atheist just because you are atheist? YOU WILL FIGHT DID YOU? It is the same. All the verse that you quote is the order for muslim to be brave and bold, to fight the unbeliever WHICH persecuted muslim just because they convert to Islam.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator Muslims DO persecute AND MURDER atheists. And Jews and Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and gays and apostates and hypocrites and critics and blasphemers and adulterers.
No, you are trying to put your own spin on the verses I posted. The majority of them make NO such distinction about this hatred being exclusive to those who persecuted Muslims.
There are 109 such verses. Would you like me to post the rest? How about the Hadith?
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Learn again about history. Learn about Andalusia. Muslim in spain. They are prosperous kingdom under muslim which jew and christian live together in harmony.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator And how did they get as far as Spain? They ravaged all of North Africa, that's how. Muhammed and his cult invaded the entire Middle East and as far as Vienna, where they were finally stopped. Islam invaded Jerusalem, destroyed the temple and built a mosque on its ruins. Islam aggressed into India resulting in a war which killed millions of Hindus. Now Islam is invading and murdering people on a daily basis in Indonesia and countries of Indo-China.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Yeah, so what. Do you really understand about the ancient history? You know at that time it is either conquer or conquered. What about the roman conquer everything? About the mongols? About Alexander the great? How about europeans imperalism? How about Hiroshima Nagasaki? And where the hell you standing right now? You are standing in the carcass of millions of indians! It is their fuckin' land you build your country upon!
probokator 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 And for the unbeliever which are not aggresing against muslim? I gave you the verse:
probokator 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 [60.7] It may be that Allah establishes love between you and those with whom you are at enmity. Allah is the Powerful, Allah is the Forgiving and the Most Merciful.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator This says nothing about non-believers. And it says "MAY."
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Yes, the verse came when some muslim act that their pagan enemies as the arc enemies. This verse come to be true. Some pagans one by one convert to islam and join the muslim rank. Incording their best commandant, Khalid bin Walid and Abu Sofyan (Meccan pagan leader).
probokator 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 [60.8] Allah does not forbid you to be kind and to act justly to those who have neither made war on your Religion nor expelled you from your homes. Allah loves the just.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator So which takes precedence, this verse or the ones that I posted? They are utterly contradictory.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 [60.9] But Allah only forbids you to be guided by those who have fought against you in your religion's cause and expelled you from your homes or have supported others in your expulsion. Whosoever takes them as guides are harmdoers.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator Is that Medinan or Meccan? Did it come before Muhammed was banished from Mecca?
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Those are medinan. You should know a bit about history of the prophet. He and his follower was persecuted by pagan meccan, just because they believe in one God. Then prophet migrate to medinan with his follower and accepted by the medinan. The pagan meccan try to genocide muslim. Then comes those "sword verse" that order the muslim to be bold and brave and defend the religion against the oppression. Cont.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator From the time Muhammed was expelled from Mecca, he warred against Mecca and committed one atrocity after another in HIS attempt to commit genocide. And for 1400 years since, Islam has used him as a model and has been doing the same thing everywhere they can reach. The goal of Islam is to dominate the world and FORCE others to accept Islam. It is happening in dozens of countries even today.
This is the core of your religion: hate, intimidation, violence, and total domination.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 First of, why did the prophet and his follower expelled from mecca? why did the pagan mecca expell the muslim just because they believe in one God? When they expelled, the muslim did not carry any of their property. Which means they are broke, and hardly living by the mercy of the medinan. But the helper of the medinan also do not have much wealth. So it is not just for the muslim to try take back their property from the meccan? By raiding some of their caravan?
probokator 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 Sooo ignorant, if Muhammad intentions is genociding meccan population, why when he finally able to conquer mecca, he give total amnesty to the meccan? Why? Because He fight only to defend the rights of one to believe what he wants to believe.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator Slipped up a bit did ya there? You don't know what I mean>? Aren't you fucking evil muslims always saying they're peaceful and Muhammad was peaceful, even though he was a pedophile however you try to justify it.
JstNEarthling 1 year ago
@probokator Slipped up a bit did ya there? You don't know what I mean>? Aren't you fucking evil muslims always saying they're peaceful and Muhammad was peaceful, even though he was a pedophile however you try to justify it. And you turn right around and tell us how he CONQUERED Mecca....????conquered?
JstNEarthling 1 year ago
@JstNEarthling Granpa, I would not address you harsly. Coz, we are told to honor elderly. The pagan mecca persecuted the prophet and his follower. Just because they believe in one God. The prophet and his follower must migrate to Medina, without taking their belongins. Then the meccan want to stop and destroy muslim at medina. Some battle accurs. After the prophet began to gain more ranks, he attack mecca and conqured it. No bloodshed, coz the meccan surrender. What prophet do? He forgave them.
probokator 1 year ago
for a person who have so much hate toward islam, you didn't even take sometime to read the biography of the prophet, at least just for research. You know, just to make you not to look soo ignorant. And lack of reason. Did not america conquer german in WWII? Does it make america evil in your opinion? That wasn't even an argument. Well you see the prophet is not pedophile. But judge from your comment, it obvious that you will shut your ear and say na na na na to a real argument.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator I don't hate islam it's an inanimate objective name. But I can and do hate the perpetrators of the indoctrination of people into a cult, especially innocent children who can not fight back.And this indoctrination is manufactured by men is evidenced by the focus you perverts have on sex and sexuality....seems like every time y'all bring up punishment or tenets, they are sexually focused...like the adultery laws that kill a woman and make the man pay money.....stone age crap.
JstNEarthling 1 year ago
@JstNEarthling Whatever.... Seem that you do not want to listen to any argument. So be it. Lakum dinukum waliyadin. For you is your way for me is my way.
probokator 1 year ago
@Astrobrant2 But just like all human. Some muslim hesistate to fought the pagan meccan. Because they were out number greatly. Some jew in medinan broke the treaty with muslim and attack from the back. Then cames much verse to boost the muslim troops morale. But then cames these verse and indeed even the sword verse, say that we are not suppose to be violent agains unbeliever, jew or christian if they are not oppress us. That was simple just. So yes, you must read Quran as whole to understand.
probokator 1 year ago
@probokator You forgot to mention the verses, (at least two), which condemn Muslims who will not fight.
Which verse says you're not supposed to be violent against unbelievers, Jews, or Christians? I'll bet it's a verse from Muhammed's days in Mecca which is abrogated by later verses of the kind that I posted.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago