If you will pray to God, ask him if Jesus is the one who died and shed his blood for your sins...HE the Lord will answer you. Do not give up praying, humble yourself before the mighty creator of the universe...HE loves us more than can ever be imagined but the bible is indeed true. It is also very intelligent read it at the Jewish level...it is a Jewish book.
@shiekaa She asked "Are you God, The One, etc.".......God just replied..."Yes I am the Light". The Light has many names depending on where you are from on Earth. The Light referred itself as "The Light" :) There was no desception. Where do you see desception? Peace!
@icoltsi18 Hello. Not being an expert I have to fallow logic sort of like Mr Spock on star trek. Just being a human. If I made some thing that I had given the ability or intelligence to call or know me by name. I would use my name and it would be a name that was exclusive to me and no other could use it. The light is not a name it is just an attribute that many entities or objects may share. WARNING: Experts say: An evil enemy of God and man will deceive many for destruction Peace
@shiekaa When she asked "who is that" the voice said "I am the Light" and then she said "are you trying to tell me that your the big kahuna, the transendant, the One, God" the voice answered "YES I AM THE LIGHT". Man has given the Light many names. So the voice answered Yes to all those names but told her that it was the light. I am sure the Light answers to many names! Just because you would have a name exlcusive to you if you were the creator doesn't mean that the creator does.
@icoltsi18 I ask you to consider. Are you sure? Are you absolutely positive. What do we base it on if not a personal name? Can you say unequivocally that it was the true and only living God of creation. Because the word God is just a generic word. If I possessed the right technology I might convince you that I am god also. She her self said that she and all the other beings there were light also. Bible says Satan has Diamonds and other jewels as his adornment. Not expert Peace
@shiekaa I just know what she said happened during her NDE. I have no reason to doubt her. God told her "Yes I am the Light". You can interpet that anyway you want I guess but it seemed pretty clear to me what God told her when she asked who the voice was. As far as the bible and Satan....I do not believe there to be a hell. That is my belief as I feel that the Bible was written by Man not God. God is pure unconditonal love and with that there is unconditonal forgiveness. Peace
@icoltsi18 Yes it happened. But was it truly the Creator. Is reality based on feelings or on established evidence. Is this about Hell. It deals with whether or not the Creator has an exclusive name. Great movements of history when humans found Liberty and Freedom were established upon his name. If not for humans moved by the power of his name the world would be locked in the darkness of places in the world that refuse his name. China, India, N Korea.They hate ur freedom why Peace
@shiekaa I believe that is was truly the Creator that she spoke too. Obviously you don't and that is fine. When you see the Creator you can ask him his exclusive name. I believe God answers to many different names as people from all walks of life on Earth call him different names.
@icoltsi18 No offence I know his name. I am just trying to help you and any others that do not know his name. It is Yahweh Adoni. The name above all names. Why do you believe he answers to many names? Because of deception. I do not seek to harm you. It is those people from all walks of life who call him many different names that harm you, on purpose or unaware. Yahweh Adoni came to earth in human flesh. He is the only one to make the claim. All others are Satan in disguise. So long.
@shiekaa OK you know his name. I do not need help as I know his name but thank you. The whole purpose of our conversation is you think she was deceived and that she was speaking to Satan and not God. Why do you think that? Because of what you read in the Bible? There is no Satan. There is no Hell! The Bible is Man Made and has put fear in you. That is what they want you to feel is fear to keep you inline. You should read her book. God told her to write the book. God is LOVE!
@colts 18 Yahweh has not given me the spirit of fear, but spirit of love and a sound mind. U R right. Men wrote the Bible as Yahweh told them to. She wrote her book as the light told her to. So what is the difference. Historical evidence from secular sources that confirm Biblical text. Ancient Greek and Roman scholars that give the accounts of humans being killed for Yahweh while their faces expressed peace. She and you have her experience to go on. May you enjoy. I leave U N Peace
but, lady just to make sure you make it to heaven. Read the New Testiment of the Bible. You must except Jesus death on the cross for your salvation. We are sinful due to Adam, you must have your sins covered by Jesus blood.
@dogcomb47 There are more books the the "selected" ones that were used to fit the churches agenda. Do not be a person of dead letters. Gospel comes from heart.
@dogcomb47 You do not have to read the Bible or the New Testiment as you say and except Jesus to make it to Heaven. The Bible was written by Man not God. God (The Light) is pure unconditional love and with that is unconditional forgiveness. Man created Hell to put fear into Man. God does not want you to fear him. When you die and you have your life review, You will judge yourself. This life is an experience for your soul's teaching to grow in the spirtual world. We all chose to come here.
wow thats so amazing...if its that great i cant wait to go to heaven and be with my family and animals and my boyfriend Eddie that i love so much...but you are truely luckey see you on thee otherside my fellow being : )
This doesn't seem right to me...there is no mention of Jesus or anything like that...I think Satan is able to present himself as an angel of light if he chooses...I believe he did. He wants to confuse people...
He didn't say he was god! ! He answered yes ..lady u been fulled! Cause Form the god I know when u die u don't go into a tunnel and u get sucked in So what u experienced was b.s remember the devil is the father of lies. Ask jesus /god before its to late
Lol, am I the only one that thinks this is stupid... "traveling toward a light"... Really? Your bloodflow stopped and you had drugs in your system. You had a dream. That is all. Move along.
@Nightweaver5 If you would study NDE's you would understand that "traveling toward a light" is common in most all NDE experiences. There are 1000's of NDE's where they did not have drugs in their system and experienced the same thing. She actually died for a few minutes. She had a reaction to the novocaine I believe. How do you know it was just a dream?
@Battery9876 When she ask the voice if he was the "big kahuna, the transendant, the One, God" the voice answered "YES I AM THE LIGHT. She did not ask if the voice was the "Creator of the Universe". I am sure that if she had thought to ask that the Light would have replied "Yes I am the Light". What are your thoughts? Peace
@icoltsi18 I think it'a an hallucination. Read the book "DMT the spirit molecule". DMT is the most powerful psychedelic drug and can cause this type of hallucination. The brain has contains DMT in the pineal gland that can apparently be released in case of high stress, like at the moment of death.
@Battery9876 That's your opinion. So out of the 100's of thousands of NDE's that have been studied where they have experienced similar things during the NDE you explain it all away on DMT? or just this one? How do you explain when people have died and they have no brain activity and no heartbeat and come back and talk about events in the room or area where they died that happened after their death? Is that DMT? I don't think so. Peace
just seems like a plug but also as another poster commented; a bit more of the new age thinking, etc.. the devil can make you believe in things like reincarnation; heck, if we keep coming back no matter what then what need is there of a resurrection?..this sounds bogus.
it bothers me why these people don't acknowledge seeing Jesus when they have these experiences.Jesus said you will be with him immediately after death.Satan comes as a "brilliant light" and she could well of seen satan himself diguised as God.The father of lies.I don't buy it.
@bonniew1155 Why does it bother you that she or other people having an NDE did not see Jesus? Some people refer seeing Jesus. It amazes me that people say when people have an NDE that they are being tricked and that the light is Satan. Why couldn't it be God? Satan does not exist! Hell does not exist! Hell is man made! The Bible is written to instill fear into Man. God did not write the Bible. God is pure unconditonal Love! With that is Unconditonal Forgiveness! Peace
We all have opinions about what is and what isn't however, I know you don't know me but I'm telling you the truth when I say JESUS IS THE TRUTH & THE LIGHT HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. PERIOD. It's easy to fluff it off but way to important to ignore If you were drowning and I threw you a life preserver would you throw it back or grab on to it Exactly! GOD LOVES YOU SERIOUSLY & sent his son Jesus who died for ALL so that ALL may live Jesus is our life preserver God gave u
Wow this video is amazing thanks soo much for shareing this with the world it will help many people to understand the concepts of death, im 15 years old and i recently went crazy and the only way back to sanity was through god and he helped me to become a better person and i cant wait to see heaven.
@GawainValentino Sigh... Look, You obviously don't even understand evolution. It always seems like the people who are most adamant about evolution being false also happen to be highly uneducated as to what it is they're even talking about.
Case in point...Human beings did not evolve from neanderthals. No one believes that. They were a different species from humans. Also, 200-400 skeletons is ALOT when you take into account...the size of the earth they are buried in. They can't dig up everything.
so,thing seems wrong.. animals don't go to heaven! Humans have spirit and souls but animals have only spirits other than our body, this will not allow animals to go to heaven also when we die, we don,t have a normal mind we understand whats going on, we have more knowledge, i don't know, maybe i'm wrong, but i'm positive ANIMALS DONT GO TO HEAVEN EVER!
@gtawfellos maybe it's wrong for you because it's not your mind defining what she's seeing...it's her mind and her comprehension level. Dog's do have "life" inside of them and that "life" goes somewhere...food for thought.
@gtawfellos How do you know that animals don't go to heaven? Have you been there? I have read and viewed many NDE's and there have been mention of some NDE'ers that have seen their pets that have died. Why would this not be possible? I guess we will find out when we go back. I believe that our pets are in Heaven. Peace
so,thing seems wrong.. animals don't go to heaven! Humans have spirit and souls but animals have only spirits other than our body, this will not allow animals to go to heaven
so,thing seems wrong.. animals don't go to heaven! Humans have spirit and souls but animals have only spirits other than our body, this will not allow animals to go to heaven
Ah HAH! ... to sell a book. I have no problem with her story except one little thing. AN OLD SOUL? Oh that's right, I'll have to buy the boo! Harmony? Maybe she is an "Universalish" or something a kind to that train of thought. Maybe we all find our truth, to be the truth, for ourselves. Or maybe God did nt want to change her so much as to take her free will away. All interesting thoughts to be sure.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
This is TRUE - from the words of Jesus Christ himself. We must consider that all these experiences can all be also a misleading sign from the devil, it could mean anything, but we must also believe in Jesus and His word, since it is His Kingdom.
@andrews112. The devil himself can appear as an angel of light. Did you notice that the "being" told her that he is the light? If it were really Jesus, he would have told her so. But, it is probably hard for him to say that powerful name -- Jesus, after all, demons must flee in that wonderful name. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no one goes to the Father but by him. Satan is working overtime because he knows his time is short. It's too bad she doesn't know scriptures.
Agree. This is "Hollywood' theology: everyone deserves Heaven. People, Romans 3:23 says that EVERYONE has sinned and is short of the glory of God. This lady is being deceived into believing she does not need Jesus who said in Joh 14:6: I am THE WAY, the truth and the life; no one goes to the Father (Heaven, the abode of God) but by me.
@SupportFreedom1 God can also appear as the Light. Why is it some people say she saw the Devil? Because the Bible says so? Please! She used God's name when she spoke to the light. Why didn't the demon as you called it flee then? You don't need to know scripture. The Bible is written by Man not God! Hell was created by Man to instill fear in Man. God is without a doubt pure unconditional Love. With that is unconditional Forgiveness. Quite spreading Fear and spread Love!
@icoltsi18. This woman is not a Follower of Jesus Christ, therefore, she has seen the devil. I am not spreading any thing but truth, and if the truth frightens you, then you need to do something about that. I am unafraid, because God has saved me from Hell. You need to repent and stop falsely accusing me and God. Repent or you will spend eternity learning the truth, but it will be too late to do any thing about it. Repent!
@SupportFreedom1 Now how do you know she is not a follower of Jesus Christ? Not that that matters at all. So she seen the Devil huh? Where do you get that? Are you all knowing? I really don't think you know what the truth is. The truth does not frighten me at all. God did not save you from hell as there is no hell. What have I accused you of? or God for that matter. Quit spreading man made fear and spread love. That is why we are here to learn about Love. Peace
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." Romans 3:23-24
and "His" Grace alone.
May God lead us all to His truth so that we all may believe and be guided by Him.
brother, how can you concede that Christ is the only way to Heaven yet say that it must be optional, or irrelevant. It is of coarse relevant and a must that you believe in Christ and accept Him to have everlasting life in Heaven (as He says). However as for the spiritual experiece, i feel it is just an experience and not a guarantee for the entrance of Heaven. I think Jesus may have been sending a message in some way, to the experiencers, or to others who hear of it. Be careful of what u believe
Jesus is our Saviour, "He is the Only Way to Heaven!" you must believe in Him and love Him and accept that He loves you and died for you so that you may be able to go to heaven. We all fall short of the glory of God! God sent His perfect Son to suffer for our sins because He loved us so much, and to pay the price for us to be saved! <3 May God bless your lives forever!
@andrews112 I’ve been a Christian my whole life, and still am, and I died and went to a heavenly realm. As far as that goes, you are right, but I disagree with you as well, because I have many friends who are Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and other religions who have also been to such realms, and a few had gone to the very same place that I had gone to in death. I can concede that Christ is the only way to heaven, but believing in him must be optional, or completely irrelevant. Grace can touch all.
Know your not alone and their is on that 3rd realm to heavens gates. I was in 4th Grade when I was beating by a leather belt for something I didn't do wrong. Then after the2 hour beating. my body gave up my soul and soon i was aware I was in the end of the tunnel and into a likeness of this bubble. Thousands of times peaceful then I ever knew. No pain, no sorrow's, Absolute perfection. I was amused. I didn't see my body nor so much a care. I saw the bright heavenly place. Their is much more....
I don't hear the name of Jesus in any of her story. You can only "stay" in heaven if you know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. This is that New Age crap.
@izzigogo - Dear izzigogo, the almighty has a tremendous sense of humor. God IS light... God IS love... and love and joy are the same. "Joy is the infallible sign of the presence of God." - Teillhard de Chardin
I wish it all for you & everyone -- joy, love, light, harmony, peace.... all of it.... the very best.
I am a Christian and I have heard some near death experiences before but yours was my favourite. I particularly enjoyed hearing the part about the voice that was like no other. Really, truly compelling and exciting.
Thanks for sharing your story--it's very credible. My friend, Kathleen Lentini, just put her NDE on YouTube under the name Chima. (I also had a dog named Rusty--actually several of them.)
She only saw the light imagine if she saw more than that beauty and actually saw heaven she wouldve stayed and probably feel depressed that God will even say "would you like to go back(earth)" because if she saw heaven she will laugh every second with joy and happiness here on earth
I have just read Suzannes book Through the Tunnel and found it very inspiring, especially her encounter with Betty Eadie, who knew right away that God had encouraged her to write! Blessed be all the people here who truly love God and who realize that we are all elected to be loved by God from our very first moment of creation. Jesus ultimate commandment was to love one another, for whatever we do to the least we do to Jesus.
She said..."that I earned my right to stay there. that I was an old soul" Bible says.. saved by grace, Eph 2:5,8-9. Titus 3:5. We CANNOT EARN HEAVEN...
@rbmath Neither you nor those who wrote the bible are God as much as you would like to persuade other people of this...it was written as were all religious texts, by other humans like yourself, and has been used as a weapon of fear and hatred, unlike these real encounters told by sincere individuals who have nothing to gain other than to recount actual encounters with the true god of LOVE. I believe them over a God who acts like the worst kind of human being - filled with jeolousy and hatred .
@rbmath According to YOU - a human being and other human beings that say that they are the words of God. In that way, you are purporting to BE GOD since you are apparently imbued with the knowledge that some words are those of God and other are not....why should I accept that you or other humans know more about how God communicates with humans through the written word? Because a lot of other humans say so? Because of the threats and the fear of hell that are involved, versus a Loving God?
@lunaqua... ??? NO... you're really confused.... I suggest that you actually study WHY Christians know the bible to be the ONLY word of God and those who reject it reject God's words... You should start with " evidence for christianity" by josh mcdowell. Yes God is a loving God. God is also a God of wrath..
@rbmath I have been studying theology nearly all of my life, and all fundamemtalists like you think that their religious text is the "correct" one and have "evidence" to back it up, based on what yet other humans have written...whether it is the Quran , etc... and are willing to kill each other to reinforce the point, which is largely why the world is such a sad and hate filled place.
@lunaqua .... Please show me where Jesus commanded people to kill others to defend His word?. I'm sure you know that Jesus never commanded such a thing. Just because someone some calls himself or herself a Christian does not mean they really are one. Their are many "false" Christians. Its by their fruits that you will know them, And WHAT is the "fruit' Gal 5:22-23.
@rbmath If you read what I have posted, you know that is one of my main points, and that is why mainstream Christianity as it stands today is a gross distortion of what Jesus said, and that most probably much of what he said was distorted from the very earliest of times for religopolitical reasons, and religipoitics are inseperable from each other, which is why organized religion and the resulting texts are in and of themselves largely false and have done so much damage to the world.
@lunaqua ... You seem really quick to judge me as an "evil fundamentalists" when All I did was respond to what the woman said in the video and tested it by what the scriptures teach.
@rbmath I never used the word evil, however, a fundamentalist is one who accepts a religious text in its entirety as fundamentally true, without regard as to how it has been tampered with throughout history in order to fit political agendas of those historically powerful groups that have held sway over how they have been translated, censored and altered massively over time for various reasons. I cannot discard logic and that is why I find SOME of what Mcdowell has to say valid. Love is the way
@lunaqua ... You really do now know me. I have NO "political agendas" I live in Canada.. It seems you really think very little of God. Since your accusing God of being weak and not smart enough to keep His word safe. You know God who sets up governments at his own will.. Dan 2:21, Dan 4:17, Dan 4:25, Dan 4:32.
@rbmath I seriously doubt that God set Hitler and his Nazis up as you are suggesting. Humans are soley responsible for having free will in these things, and that is why we are on earth, to learn valuable lessons about how to get along with one another. the Nazis were another group that capitalized on religious differences in order to annihilate those whose belief system differed - and not because they were in possesion of the word of God/ Jesus. This kind of idiocy continues today,
@rbmath I am explaining who wrote those scriptures,people who lived long after Jesus himself, and therefore they are the words of those people rather than those of Jesus; and yes God allows governments through allowing humans free will, s/he does not set them up by her/his own design, they are the design of human beings and their will.
@lunaqua .. NO.. The Authors were eyewitness of Christ's life or interviewed eyewitness in the case of Luke. Paul seen a vision of Christ and was taught by Christ Gal 1:11-12.. God is not a male or female BUT God uses the title FATHER. Human governments exist by the will of God ONLY...
@rbmath These gospel authors wrote their accounts in order to quash opposing, earlier accounts of Jesus’ life, known as the Gnostic gospels ,which were then eliminated from the New Testament. This type of censorship happened later with the apocryphal scriptures since they did not agree with evolving church canon. If the truth does not agree with your religious teachings, just censor it and kill the heretics, that is actually what happened to Jesus.
@rbmath Yes I agree that god is neither male nor female, but since the biblw is written by patriarchal humans, God must necessarily be referred to as male, and as FATHER. My point is that humans establish governments on earth through their own works, not through the works of God, therefore God does not create the suffering of those governments, humans do. There would be no point to our existence if everything were totally orchestrated by God as if were were nothing more than powerless amoeba.
@lunaqua ... So you mow deny the Divine inspiration of the Bible.. By think that "bible is written by patriarchal humans" No government exists without the will of God. No suffering is allowed to happen without God allowing it to happen..
@rbmath We were created by God, therefore s/he both allowed/willed us to have free will to form governments on earth, but God does not directly form or will them - it is through our own wills that they come into existence, but we are here, as is everything, through the will of God. I know this is may be a bit complex, for you, but it proves that God does not cause or will suffering - allows it, yes,wills or causes it - NO. We all are created by God so we all may be "divinely inspired" .
@lunaqua ... May I ask that your thinking is along the lines of "libertarian free will / Arminianism. If so this will explain allot of your errors. "RE:divinely inspired".. So allot like New Age thinking. if so this also explains allot of your errors. If these are your views than you have no support for them..
@rbmath My thinking is my own and is based on much reading, meditation, life experience, and as I am a human being as are you, trial and error. No one has the answers to everything, and the error is in thinking that some one person or religious text does, which has lead to the slaughter and suffering of countless millions of human beings through many centuries of history here on earth - so much for "errors". May I ask what brought you here to read the "errors" of your fellow humans?
@lunaqua.. it still seems that you deny the word of God is the ONLY word and think that its just a mere book like any other when its not... if this is so than that's one error. Another that I see is the implied error that God is not or sometimes loses control because of all the suffering. Nothing happens without the knowledge of God or God allowing it to happen WITHOUT God losing control. God is always 100% in control of history, nothing happens without Him ALLOWING it to happen.
@rbmath YOU have not answered my question, why are you reading the words of people who claim to be recieving the word of God directly from him/her?You seem to take an interest in reading these "erroneous" words. As I have said repeatedly, God does allow everything to happen, through allowing humans free will so we have no disagreement in that regard. S/he is the creator of everything that exists, and in total control. Now please be kind enough to answer my question as to your interest in errors.
@lunaqua ..I did answer it the first time but here it is again ... If WHAT (NDE) they claim is from God than it must be measured by God's word, what she said in the video CANNOT be supported by God's word.. 1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,
@rbmath NO that does not answer the question as it pertains to why you yourself are here reading what you believe to be erroneous concepts. If you do not believe that any NDE's are from God, then why do you yourself visit and listen to them?
@lunaqua ... They must agree with ALL the scriptures and be tested BY the scriptures on the topic talked about... I have already provided a post that shows the errors in the video...
@rbmath BTW, I have read what Mcdowell says about Jesus, and I do not disagree witha large part of it - - it is not Jesus Christ I have problems with, but the organized religion and texts that have been distorted used and abused over the last 2000 yearsbt those who refer to themselves as Christians, and also the Old Testament god who Jesus was also offended by, in my view. He had a much larger purpose,there is much too little space to argue my view here so if you want, please take this to email.
@rbmath I reject it because it's not the word of god. It's the word of a handful of men living in the bronze age with no understyanding of the world around them
@rbmathI believe I said that I agree with some of it, which I specified in my post, and which rejects the hatefilledGod of the Old Testement. Love and logic are the way rbmath, that is what Jeus taught, especially to love one another, it is how we live our lives and our learning here on earth that is important. The error has been the focus on BELIEF - you must believe what I believe that has brought about HATE - do you understand? We must transcend this way of thinking or we will end up badly.
@lunaqua ... It seems you really have no idea what your talking about. RE: hatefilled God of the Old Testament ...ANSWER.. Jesus WAS THE LORD God of the OT. If you notice what is going to happen at the return of Christ .. Rev 6:16.. Search "wrath" in the NT. I'm not saying to have to believe what I believe. I'm saying you have to believe WHAT the word of says. ALL OF IT. not just pits and peaces that you like..
@lunaqua .. NOTICE please from the ESV Jude 4-5 Jud 1:5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. You see how YOU called granted maybe unknowingly Jesus as "the hate filled God of the Old Testament"
@rbmath From the Saint Joseph New American Bible. P 382"Many interpreters today consider Jude a pseudonyymous work dating from the end of the first century or even later. In support of this [...]:(a)the apostles are referred to as belonging to an age that has receded into the past[...](c)the author had a Hellenistic cultural formation(d)[...]fits better into the early 2nd cent." Jesus himself never wrote his sayings down. Those who claimed to did so long after he died, often by pseudonyms.
@rbmath Eph 2:5,8-9:"is now widely accepted by critical scholarship to be "deutero-Pauline," that is, written in Paul's name by a later author" , like nearly all of the New Testament. That is, it was a forgery , and I would much rather put my trust in what a woman tells me she has learned directly from God than what an author who LIES about who he or she is.
@rbmath If you choose to ignore the truth rbmath, that is your choice.I am sure that you also choose to believe that the earth and universe came into existence less than 10,000 ago, despite the fact that we are receiving irrefutable information based on how long it takes the speed of light to reach us from the edge of the universe, which tells us that it is approximately 13.7 billions years old. But hey, that is just more ignorant liberal scholarship, eh?:)
@lunaqua .... May I suggest that you at least honestly study both sides.. creation . com a book "Starlight, Time and the New Physics' Dr. John Hartnett. ... If you like I can provide scholars who would disagree with your liberal scholars...
@rbmath I have already done that, and also found offensive your concept of a god who creates people with the purpose of punishing them, like an abusive parent who has children in order to lock them in a closet, not just for days or even years for not having learned their lessons properly, but for ETERNITY. This is incompatible with the loving the loving god, who is presented so clearly by these NDEers, for example, Goosed. I am sure someday that you will see the light, rbmath, as we ALL will:)
@lunaqua ... So it seems you reject Divine revelation to suit your own needs. Rom 9:21.. By the way. Not all Christians believe in an eternity of suffer hell. I for one do not believe the bible teach that. I believe the bible teaches "conditional immortality" The wicked are brought to the judgement seat and are given the second death. Rev 21:8..
@rbmath To suit my own needs? No because it is illogical that God is an unlovign monster who punishes sins of a few years through eternal torment Besides, you are picking and choosing scriptures to fit your conception of an afterlife, as many fundamentalists would reject any sort of NDE outright since they characterize the "first death" as one in which humans do not awaken for "judgement" until the second coming, and they use scriptures to "prove" this.Sciptures are used willy nilly for "proof"
@lunaqua ..Please prove that I pick and chose scriptures? Do have ANY evidence? NO you have none. The facts are that their IS people who hold to the teachings of conditional immortality. I have already said that I believe "some" NDE's can be from God, IF they do not conflict with what the scriptures clearly teach...
@rbmath Because you have arrived at one conclusion while other Chritians have concluded a diferent outcome by interpreting the same scriptures differently or picking other scriptures to support their different conclusion, also because biblical scriptures contradict themselves. In fact you said ealier that heaven cannot be earned, and then stated that it was conditional, which is itself a contradiction. In fact, God is all powerful and is not subject to biblical dictates when making judgments.
@lunaqua.. NO. I do not pick and chose what to believe. If I were to I like to believe that polygamy was still allowed ;)... I use ALL the scriptures on a given topic and look to what others have said that are allot smarter than I. the bible when properly understood in its context does not contradict themselves... Heaven cannot be earned is true. I never said in the context of heaven that it was conditional. God cannot contradict Himself. What the video claims contradicts what God taught.
@rbmath Your words:" Jesus WAS THE LORD God of the OT. If you notice what is going to happen at the return of Christ .. Rev 6:16.. Search "wrath" in the NT. " 1st Commandment:"Thou shalt not kill" " IN CONTEXT is just an excuse to twist the meaning of words that blatantly contradict themselves constantly throughout religious texts. You said "conditional immortality" - what does that mean other than that heaven is conditional? You are backpedaling. God is not contradictory AS IS THE BIBLE.
@lunaqua RE: ..1st Commandment:"Thou shalt not kill" ".. Actually its Murder in modern tramslations. Strong's H7523 - ratsach ... 1) to murder, slay, kill. The commands were given to HUMANS. God has the ALL the rights to put anyone to death since he owns us.. None of this denies what I said. That God / Jesus is coming back to punish those who refuse Him and to put an end to all evil and sin.
@rbmath However, throughout the bible, humans are exhorted to kill one another by God, and if you know the bible you know this to be true - no way to twist words and meanings to dance around this - i.e. asking Abraham to kill Isaac, inciting various wars, & other examples too numerous to cite here. BTE, rb, these folks who interpret the bible are not smarter than you , just better at controlling people through twisting the words in religious texts to suit their whatever ther beliefs are.
@lunaqua .. I have not denied that God used Israel to punish and wipe-out other nations for their wickedness of child sacrifice. However Christ brought a New Covenant and Christ NO WHERE commanded Christians to kill. He commanded us to LOVE.. Tell me Did God ALLOW Abraham to ACTUALLY kill Isaac? NO... It was a test of Faith.. How does what others believe deny the facts of scriptures?
@rbmath You mean that "God" contradicted himself/changed hismind about killing?(New covenant) Sounds very clinical "God used Israel", but "God "made people commit both individual and mass murder in Judges;"God" picked an assasin to kill the king of Moab and then killed 10,000 of the Moab people/children. Sounds like "God" here and throughout is a human creature in possesion of a very passionate bloodthirsty childkilling nature himself, because the unloving biblical "God " was created by humans
@rbmath You have just ignored 2000 years of history, BCE,in which many people died horribly, and then 2000 more years of history in which many more people were executed or burned for being or not being Christians - why did they have to die so horribly? Was this what Jesus wanted? Was this what God wanted? Because a stupid book said a man had to die for us because humans are terrible creatures ?- God created us this way -we make mistakes to LEARN - and we have a brain to search FOR THE TRUTH.
@lunaqua ... just how have I ignored history. I have acknowledged what God did and I'm aware of people committing violence in the name of Christ, Something Christ NEVER commanded in the New Covenant. If people actually obeyed God their would be NO violence and no sin. But allot of people do not obey and hurt others. God WILL put an end to ALL violence..Read Revelation 21:1-6.. I hope your honest enough to admit the truth even when the truth hurts...
@lunaqua Excuse me, in this case, the Moabs were all men, but there were many other instances where the Biblical"God" mass murdered, whther through using humanity to do it or through the elements or angels and it involved the ruthless slaughter of men women and children i.e the flood, the slaughter of firsrtborn babies in Egypt (talk about child sacrifice!) and many other incitements of war where women and children perished. I coudl also elaborate on how "God" encouraged the same sorts of(cont)
@lunaqua The same sorts of sin he was punishing various groups for, such as the Moabs , which was not actually for "child sacrifice", but for various types of incest. You can find "God" encouraging various types of gross sexual behaviors in other parts of the Old Testament, and I put the word God in quotes, because I do not consider this to be God, but a construct of the humans of that era, because of his very clear, ruthless, brutal, bloodthirsty, unloving behavior -that of any king of that era
@lunaqua ... Luk 13:2-3.. From, The Difficult Doctrine of the Love of God, by D.A Carson "There is nothing intrinsically impossible about wrath and love being directed toward the same individual or people at the same time. God in His perfection must be wrathful against His rebel image-bearers, for they have offended Him; God in His perfection must be loving toward His rebel image-bearers, for He is that kind of God.
@rbmath Basically,there are two types of individuals, those that promote the love of God, and those that promote the wrath and fear of god The truereason the fear of god is promoted by humans is for reasons of control and power. That is the greatest reason religious texts are written, and they have succeeded in their purpose. I choose to believe in a God of pure love, and in those who promote a God of pure love. If you choose to believe in an unloving god of wrath, that is your decision, rb.
@lunaqua Chose to believe what you want it does not change anything I said. God is both. John 3:36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him. Joh 3:16 "For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
@rbmath Jesus himself did not write any of that, only people who did not know him and did not have anything to do with him. He himself wrote nothing,and so never said any of that, nor made of those sorts of threats. I believe that he is one of those individuals who promoted the trueGod of pure love, and he was killed for doing so by those who promoted the unloving, false and wrathful god who exists only in a books written by humans like yourself. Words are words, God is God, and love is love
@lunaqua .. Your wrong. The gospel authors were written by eyewitness of the life death and resurrection of Christ. Tell me please If as you claim Jesus did not write anything, Just HOW than do you know what Jesus promoted? Since you deny His eyewitness accounts
@rbmath Any human being who claims to speak with the authority of God is wrong, since no book contains the wisdom of God, only God contains the wisdom of God. Jesus knew this, and this is why I believe he did not write anything down. Thus, I do not believe that Jesus made any of the claims that were made in the NT, or he would have written them himself – and he did not. Jesus did not want to prove how evil and unlovable we are to God nor that s/he would reject us without a bloody sacrifice
@lunaqua HIs message:direct access to a loving God without the need for priests and rituals, and he was killed for spreading this message. He was so against authoritative religion that he did not write down his teachings. Ironically, the sect of his followers which came to prominence led by powerful priests who did not want the people to have direct communion with a loving God, as it would have eliminated the need for them, and the institution of guilt & fear using Jesus' death - very clever.
@rbmath RB - I have already stated that biblical scholars who are interested in the truth say that none of the gospels were written by eyewitenesses, and even if they were, none of these accounts were written by Jesus himself. Why do you think that is? I do not KNOW anything for sure, and neither does anyone else about someone who lived 2000yrs ago. I am basing my THEORY on the FACT that he wrote nothing himself as I already.explained I think he was rejecting ORGANIZED RELIGION AND their texts.
@lunaqua ... Your believes on this rejecting the word of God will not help you. It seems you really know nothing of Theology. All you want is a theology that suits your needs instead of the truth... So without the bible, since you reject it as divine revelation really do not know what Jesus taught.
@rbmath All Christians interpret the bible to suit their needs - that is why it has beenso vastly altered and why many "original" gospels were removed early on, none of which were written by Jesus himself, only by people who lived long after him who were interested in controllling people. Which "word of god "do you accept ? The Catholic or the one overhauled by the Protestants (rewritten by Luther, then by King James) ? Which censored version of the bible do you rely on to "speak for god"?
@lunaqua. I thought you said Jesus did not anything? Now your saying that He did. may I suggest this book. "The truth about Jesus and the Lost Gospels A reasoned look at Thomas, Judas and Gnostic Gospels" by David Marshall. Also please look up " textual criticism" you will find your answers.
@rbmath Yes I did say that he did not write anything, and that is what I base me theory that he disliked religious texts on. God bless and keep you rb, and we will all be together someday in God's beautiful loving presence.
@rbmath For a month I have been discussing things with you rb, and have told you I loved you, but you have never said one kind word to me. Accordintgto the bible which you so strongly adhere to Jesus said that they were liars who say they love God and donot love their neighbors. I got the feeling that you are very coldhearted rb. Whatever you neglect to do to the least of these, so you nelgected to do to me. You are not a real Christian at heart, just talk the talk.
@lunaqua.. You have no idea what "true" love is. You have continued to insult the word of God by calling the eye witness "liars and frauds", You have continued to misrepresent what I have said. My defense of the word of God shows my LOVE for God FIRST and most of all, The bible does say to love God FIRST and others second. A true lover of God would understand this, you have shown your hatred for the word of God and You reject any possibility that your wrong to reject His words..
@lunaqua. You are respected and loved as a fellow human made in the image of God. This respect does not mean hiding the truth that any Christian can see. I pray that God might have mercy on your soul for you to truly see your sins and all your errors for rejecting his word..
@rbmath "You are respected and loved as a fellow human made in the image of God. " , but not by you rb - it is you who do not know what love is, and I pray that you , as a very cold person, will finally come to know what the real love of God is. For now, you love to go around condemning others as heretics if they do not agree with your scriptural interpretations of what God is - that is where your real love lies. I love you and God loves you and everyone, and we all go to heaven.
@lunaqua.. Once again you bring up this false charge. Its not "MY" views that condemn anyone, its as I have already said. its what is clearly written in the bible.. which you hate and reject. Everyone is not going to heaven..
@rbmath It is the very negative scriptural interpretation of God that you accept as 100% correct, which when others do not accept you call heretics. Your God is negative, so let others accept God as the pure loving positive entity that S/he truly is. I reject God as a negative and hateful being who rejects US, because that is a false view of God. We were created in God's image as loving beings, not as evil beings whom God rejects. May the love & light of God fill your heart always
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wtf66611 1 day ago
Hell is real and this woman has been deceived. Watch the video on my Channel regarding Hell -- Give your life to God, through His Son, Jesus Christ!
SupportFreedom1 1 month ago
If you will pray to God, ask him if Jesus is the one who died and shed his blood for your sins...HE the Lord will answer you. Do not give up praying, humble yourself before the mighty creator of the universe...HE loves us more than can ever be imagined but the bible is indeed true. It is also very intelligent read it at the Jewish level...it is a Jewish book.
dogcomb47 1 month ago
Awesome Video :) I also loved your book!
icoltsi18 1 month ago
Thanks Sister. I have just prayed that our Lord Jesus give me a beautiful experience that I will treasure till I come home to him.
consolidate1234 1 month ago
Why did the "light" have no name? Could it have been a disception? I,m just asking.
shiekaa 1 month ago
@shiekaa She asked "Are you God, The One, etc.".......God just replied..."Yes I am the Light". The Light has many names depending on where you are from on Earth. The Light referred itself as "The Light" :) There was no desception. Where do you see desception? Peace!
icoltsi18 1 month ago
@icoltsi18 Hello. Not being an expert I have to fallow logic sort of like Mr Spock on star trek. Just being a human. If I made some thing that I had given the ability or intelligence to call or know me by name. I would use my name and it would be a name that was exclusive to me and no other could use it. The light is not a name it is just an attribute that many entities or objects may share. WARNING: Experts say: An evil enemy of God and man will deceive many for destruction Peace
shiekaa 1 month ago
@shiekaa When she asked "who is that" the voice said "I am the Light" and then she said "are you trying to tell me that your the big kahuna, the transendant, the One, God" the voice answered "YES I AM THE LIGHT". Man has given the Light many names. So the voice answered Yes to all those names but told her that it was the light. I am sure the Light answers to many names! Just because you would have a name exlcusive to you if you were the creator doesn't mean that the creator does.
icoltsi18 1 month ago
@icoltsi18 I ask you to consider. Are you sure? Are you absolutely positive. What do we base it on if not a personal name? Can you say unequivocally that it was the true and only living God of creation. Because the word God is just a generic word. If I possessed the right technology I might convince you that I am god also. She her self said that she and all the other beings there were light also. Bible says Satan has Diamonds and other jewels as his adornment. Not expert Peace
shiekaa 1 month ago
@shiekaa I just know what she said happened during her NDE. I have no reason to doubt her. God told her "Yes I am the Light". You can interpet that anyway you want I guess but it seemed pretty clear to me what God told her when she asked who the voice was. As far as the bible and Satan....I do not believe there to be a hell. That is my belief as I feel that the Bible was written by Man not God. God is pure unconditonal love and with that there is unconditonal forgiveness. Peace
icoltsi18 1 month ago
@icoltsi18 Yes it happened. But was it truly the Creator. Is reality based on feelings or on established evidence. Is this about Hell. It deals with whether or not the Creator has an exclusive name. Great movements of history when humans found Liberty and Freedom were established upon his name. If not for humans moved by the power of his name the world would be locked in the darkness of places in the world that refuse his name. China, India, N Korea.They hate ur freedom why Peace
shiekaa 1 month ago
@shiekaa I believe that is was truly the Creator that she spoke too. Obviously you don't and that is fine. When you see the Creator you can ask him his exclusive name. I believe God answers to many different names as people from all walks of life on Earth call him different names.
icoltsi18 1 month ago
@icoltsi18 No offence I know his name. I am just trying to help you and any others that do not know his name. It is Yahweh Adoni. The name above all names. Why do you believe he answers to many names? Because of deception. I do not seek to harm you. It is those people from all walks of life who call him many different names that harm you, on purpose or unaware. Yahweh Adoni came to earth in human flesh. He is the only one to make the claim. All others are Satan in disguise. So long.
shiekaa 1 month ago
@shiekaa OK you know his name. I do not need help as I know his name but thank you. The whole purpose of our conversation is you think she was deceived and that she was speaking to Satan and not God. Why do you think that? Because of what you read in the Bible? There is no Satan. There is no Hell! The Bible is Man Made and has put fear in you. That is what they want you to feel is fear to keep you inline. You should read her book. God told her to write the book. God is LOVE!
icoltsi18 1 month ago
@colts 18 Yahweh has not given me the spirit of fear, but spirit of love and a sound mind. U R right. Men wrote the Bible as Yahweh told them to. She wrote her book as the light told her to. So what is the difference. Historical evidence from secular sources that confirm Biblical text. Ancient Greek and Roman scholars that give the accounts of humans being killed for Yahweh while their faces expressed peace. She and you have her experience to go on. May you enjoy. I leave U N Peace
shiekaa 1 month ago
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This is what I believe
Heaven767 2 months ago
truly loving!
privatepersonalc 2 months ago
I thought animals didn't have a spirit so they couldn't go to heaven :S
samuel1abarza 3 months ago
but, lady just to make sure you make it to heaven. Read the New Testiment of the Bible. You must except Jesus death on the cross for your salvation. We are sinful due to Adam, you must have your sins covered by Jesus blood.
dogcomb47 3 months ago
@dogcomb47 There are more books the the "selected" ones that were used to fit the churches agenda. Do not be a person of dead letters. Gospel comes from heart.
chaksheba 3 months ago
@dogcomb47 You do not have to read the Bible or the New Testiment as you say and except Jesus to make it to Heaven. The Bible was written by Man not God. God (The Light) is pure unconditional love and with that is unconditional forgiveness. Man created Hell to put fear into Man. God does not want you to fear him. When you die and you have your life review, You will judge yourself. This life is an experience for your soul's teaching to grow in the spirtual world. We all chose to come here.
icoltsi18 1 month ago
wow thats so amazing...if its that great i cant wait to go to heaven and be with my family and animals and my boyfriend Eddie that i love so much...but you are truely luckey see you on thee otherside my fellow being : )
MalinaSanchez28 4 months ago
Thank you Susanne for sharing your experience God bless you
Ensor305 4 months ago
Hey Susanne, just want to say you're too cute, how you explain what happened to you. Then "you lucky son-of-a-guns you're going home!". I love it.
mapleton 4 months ago in playlist Near Death Experiences
This doesn't seem right to me...there is no mention of Jesus or anything like that...I think Satan is able to present himself as an angel of light if he chooses...I believe he did. He wants to confuse people...
Songofsol4v9 4 months ago
He didn't say he was god! ! He answered yes ..lady u been fulled! Cause Form the god I know when u die u don't go into a tunnel and u get sucked in So what u experienced was b.s remember the devil is the father of lies. Ask jesus /god before its to late
LYDIA21LOVE 5 months ago
@LYDIA21LOVE You don't have to believe in the devil to go to heaven.
chaksheba 3 months ago
Lol, am I the only one that thinks this is stupid... "traveling toward a light"... Really? Your bloodflow stopped and you had drugs in your system. You had a dream. That is all. Move along.
Nightweaver5 5 months ago
@Nightweaver5 If you would study NDE's you would understand that "traveling toward a light" is common in most all NDE experiences. There are 1000's of NDE's where they did not have drugs in their system and experienced the same thing. She actually died for a few minutes. She had a reaction to the novocaine I believe. How do you know it was just a dream?
icoltsi18 1 month ago
He said he was the light. Did he say where he comes from? Did he say he was the creator of the universe?
Battery9876 6 months ago
@Battery9876 When she ask the voice if he was the "big kahuna, the transendant, the One, God" the voice answered "YES I AM THE LIGHT. She did not ask if the voice was the "Creator of the Universe". I am sure that if she had thought to ask that the Light would have replied "Yes I am the Light". What are your thoughts? Peace
icoltsi18 1 month ago
@icoltsi18 I think it'a an hallucination. Read the book "DMT the spirit molecule". DMT is the most powerful psychedelic drug and can cause this type of hallucination. The brain has contains DMT in the pineal gland that can apparently be released in case of high stress, like at the moment of death.
Battery9876 1 month ago
@Battery9876 That's your opinion. So out of the 100's of thousands of NDE's that have been studied where they have experienced similar things during the NDE you explain it all away on DMT? or just this one? How do you explain when people have died and they have no brain activity and no heartbeat and come back and talk about events in the room or area where they died that happened after their death? Is that DMT? I don't think so. Peace
icoltsi18 1 month ago
just seems like a plug but also as another poster commented; a bit more of the new age thinking, etc.. the devil can make you believe in things like reincarnation; heck, if we keep coming back no matter what then what need is there of a resurrection?..this sounds bogus.
dmcarden 6 months ago
so what was this secret ingredient? a cure for cancer or parkinsons? Seems like its a plug for a book more than anything.
dmcarden 6 months ago
wow...beautiful....heaven is real......
abductedbyaliens8892 6 months ago
THANK YOU FOR SHARING
SFwhitegirl 6 months ago
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DivineCognition 7 months ago
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she is not lying there a lot testimonies on heaven and hell if you want to know more message me god bless
yourgoodfrienddave 7 months ago
she is not lying there a lot testimonies on heaven and hell if you want to knw more message me god bless
yourgoodfrienddave 7 months ago
interestingg
PrRican973 8 months ago
it bothers me why these people don't acknowledge seeing Jesus when they have these experiences.Jesus said you will be with him immediately after death.Satan comes as a "brilliant light" and she could well of seen satan himself diguised as God.The father of lies.I don't buy it.
bonniew1155 8 months ago
@bonniew1155
Same here
Heaven767 2 months ago
@bonniew1155 Why does it bother you that she or other people having an NDE did not see Jesus? Some people refer seeing Jesus. It amazes me that people say when people have an NDE that they are being tricked and that the light is Satan. Why couldn't it be God? Satan does not exist! Hell does not exist! Hell is man made! The Bible is written to instill fear into Man. God did not write the Bible. God is pure unconditonal Love! With that is Unconditonal Forgiveness! Peace
icoltsi18 1 month ago
you KNOW...
AmTickProductions 9 months ago
We all have opinions about what is and what isn't however, I know you don't know me but I'm telling you the truth when I say JESUS IS THE TRUTH & THE LIGHT HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. PERIOD. It's easy to fluff it off but way to important to ignore If you were drowning and I threw you a life preserver would you throw it back or grab on to it Exactly! GOD LOVES YOU SERIOUSLY & sent his son Jesus who died for ALL so that ALL may live Jesus is our life preserver God gave u
Kaff231 9 months ago
Wow this video is amazing thanks soo much for shareing this with the world it will help many people to understand the concepts of death, im 15 years old and i recently went crazy and the only way back to sanity was through god and he helped me to become a better person and i cant wait to see heaven.
erikabarrows 10 months ago
@GawainValentino Sigh... Look, You obviously don't even understand evolution. It always seems like the people who are most adamant about evolution being false also happen to be highly uneducated as to what it is they're even talking about.
Case in point...Human beings did not evolve from neanderthals. No one believes that. They were a different species from humans. Also, 200-400 skeletons is ALOT when you take into account...the size of the earth they are buried in. They can't dig up everything.
avedic 10 months ago
God bless, thank you for sharing all of this with us.
fullfist 10 months ago
so,thing seems wrong.. animals don't go to heaven! Humans have spirit and souls but animals have only spirits other than our body, this will not allow animals to go to heaven also when we die, we don,t have a normal mind we understand whats going on, we have more knowledge, i don't know, maybe i'm wrong, but i'm positive ANIMALS DONT GO TO HEAVEN EVER!
gtawfellos 11 months ago
@gtawfellos maybe it's wrong for you because it's not your mind defining what she's seeing...it's her mind and her comprehension level. Dog's do have "life" inside of them and that "life" goes somewhere...food for thought.
p9782 6 months ago
@gtawfellos How do you know that animals don't go to heaven? Have you been there? I have read and viewed many NDE's and there have been mention of some NDE'ers that have seen their pets that have died. Why would this not be possible? I guess we will find out when we go back. I believe that our pets are in Heaven. Peace
icoltsi18 1 month ago
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so,thing seems wrong.. animals don't go to heaven! Humans have spirit and souls but animals have only spirits other than our body, this will not allow animals to go to heaven
gtawfellos 11 months ago
so,thing seems wrong.. animals don't go to heaven! Humans have spirit and souls but animals have only spirits other than our body, this will not allow animals to go to heaven
gtawfellos 11 months ago
Book merchant no further explanation neccesary.
MrNewkingjames 11 months ago
this is incredible, your descriptions are great!
Drumstop969 11 months ago
Thank you for this video!
smckenzie25 11 months ago
Interesting!
sharpteeth17x929yw 11 months ago
Ah HAH! ... to sell a book. I have no problem with her story except one little thing. AN OLD SOUL? Oh that's right, I'll have to buy the boo! Harmony? Maybe she is an "Universalish" or something a kind to that train of thought. Maybe we all find our truth, to be the truth, for ourselves. Or maybe God did nt want to change her so much as to take her free will away. All interesting thoughts to be sure.
BarJabba 1 year ago
i don't believe her. i think she's just using God to sell her books
astig3n 1 year ago
my boyfriend just died a week ago, and now I'm not afraid of death anymore because I know he's on the other side waiting for me:)
MichelleSerenaXo 1 year ago
@MichelleSerenaXo Yes he is. :) Bless and Peace to You!
icoltsi18 1 month ago
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
This is TRUE - from the words of Jesus Christ himself. We must consider that all these experiences can all be also a misleading sign from the devil, it could mean anything, but we must also believe in Jesus and His word, since it is His Kingdom.
andrews112 1 year ago
@andrews112. The devil himself can appear as an angel of light. Did you notice that the "being" told her that he is the light? If it were really Jesus, he would have told her so. But, it is probably hard for him to say that powerful name -- Jesus, after all, demons must flee in that wonderful name. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and no one goes to the Father but by him. Satan is working overtime because he knows his time is short. It's too bad she doesn't know scriptures.
SupportFreedom1 1 year ago
@SupportFreedom1
Agree. This is "Hollywood' theology: everyone deserves Heaven. People, Romans 3:23 says that EVERYONE has sinned and is short of the glory of God. This lady is being deceived into believing she does not need Jesus who said in Joh 14:6: I am THE WAY, the truth and the life; no one goes to the Father (Heaven, the abode of God) but by me.
Senteami 1 year ago
@SupportFreedom1 God can also appear as the Light. Why is it some people say she saw the Devil? Because the Bible says so? Please! She used God's name when she spoke to the light. Why didn't the demon as you called it flee then? You don't need to know scripture. The Bible is written by Man not God! Hell was created by Man to instill fear in Man. God is without a doubt pure unconditional Love. With that is unconditional Forgiveness. Quite spreading Fear and spread Love!
icoltsi18 1 month ago
@icoltsi18. This woman is not a Follower of Jesus Christ, therefore, she has seen the devil. I am not spreading any thing but truth, and if the truth frightens you, then you need to do something about that. I am unafraid, because God has saved me from Hell. You need to repent and stop falsely accusing me and God. Repent or you will spend eternity learning the truth, but it will be too late to do any thing about it. Repent!
SupportFreedom1 1 month ago
@SupportFreedom1 Now how do you know she is not a follower of Jesus Christ? Not that that matters at all. So she seen the Devil huh? Where do you get that? Are you all knowing? I really don't think you know what the truth is. The truth does not frighten me at all. God did not save you from hell as there is no hell. What have I accused you of? or God for that matter. Quit spreading man made fear and spread love. That is why we are here to learn about Love. Peace
icoltsi18 1 month ago
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." Romans 3:23-24
and "His" Grace alone.
May God lead us all to His truth so that we all may believe and be guided by Him.
andrews112 1 year ago
brother, how can you concede that Christ is the only way to Heaven yet say that it must be optional, or irrelevant. It is of coarse relevant and a must that you believe in Christ and accept Him to have everlasting life in Heaven (as He says). However as for the spiritual experiece, i feel it is just an experience and not a guarantee for the entrance of Heaven. I think Jesus may have been sending a message in some way, to the experiencers, or to others who hear of it. Be careful of what u believe
andrews112 1 year ago
Jesus is our Saviour, "He is the Only Way to Heaven!" you must believe in Him and love Him and accept that He loves you and died for you so that you may be able to go to heaven. We all fall short of the glory of God! God sent His perfect Son to suffer for our sins because He loved us so much, and to pay the price for us to be saved! <3 May God bless your lives forever!
andrews112 1 year ago
@andrews112 I’ve been a Christian my whole life, and still am, and I died and went to a heavenly realm. As far as that goes, you are right, but I disagree with you as well, because I have many friends who are Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and other religions who have also been to such realms, and a few had gone to the very same place that I had gone to in death. I can concede that Christ is the only way to heaven, but believing in him must be optional, or completely irrelevant. Grace can touch all.
GoosedByTheLight 1 year ago
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talk2000us 1 year ago
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talk2000us 1 year ago
How do we find her book?
lorienocean 1 year ago
Know your not alone and their is on that 3rd realm to heavens gates. I was in 4th Grade when I was beating by a leather belt for something I didn't do wrong. Then after the2 hour beating. my body gave up my soul and soon i was aware I was in the end of the tunnel and into a likeness of this bubble. Thousands of times peaceful then I ever knew. No pain, no sorrow's, Absolute perfection. I was amused. I didn't see my body nor so much a care. I saw the bright heavenly place. Their is much more....
Peace9821 1 year ago
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I don't hear the name of Jesus in any of her story. You can only "stay" in heaven if you know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. This is that New Age crap.
victoriabenn 1 year ago
Billy Meier FIGU -> There is all knowleage about Creation and spiritual realm.
pitbbpl 1 year ago
Love it!! I've seen it too; you're not crazy...... trust your instincts. See you on the other side one day fellow light being. ♥
Msdeepthoughts 1 year ago 23
bollocks to bollocks, this lady is speaking from her heart, you try it one day...its probably beyond you mr bollocks
gorgs88 1 year ago
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Annemone2009 1 year ago
Bollocks, If God wants you too tell everybody about the after life, Were is Faith???.
manmonkee 1 year ago
Wow...amazing. She didn't even see heaven, she only got to the Light at the end of the tunnel! Amazing. I'll see you on the other side, Suzanne.
santa6688 1 year ago 9
I enjoyed your story, but do not know just how to take the humor. I cannot mix humor with the all mighty!
izzigogo 1 year ago
@izzigogo - Dear izzigogo, the almighty has a tremendous sense of humor. God IS light... God IS love... and love and joy are the same. "Joy is the infallible sign of the presence of God." - Teillhard de Chardin
I wish it all for you & everyone -- joy, love, light, harmony, peace.... all of it.... the very best.
ACIMessentials 1 year ago
Thank you very much for sharing your story.
I am a Christian and I have heard some near death experiences before but yours was my favourite. I particularly enjoyed hearing the part about the voice that was like no other. Really, truly compelling and exciting.
John
Driffield, United Kingdom
lostfanno1 1 year ago
Hi Suzanne,
Thanks for sharing your story--it's very credible. My friend, Kathleen Lentini, just put her NDE on YouTube under the name Chima. (I also had a dog named Rusty--actually several of them.)
William Jaynes
San Marcos
WDJaynes 1 year ago
She only saw the light imagine if she saw more than that beauty and actually saw heaven she wouldve stayed and probably feel depressed that God will even say "would you like to go back(earth)" because if she saw heaven she will laugh every second with joy and happiness here on earth
teta809 1 year ago
I have just read Suzannes book Through the Tunnel and found it very inspiring, especially her encounter with Betty Eadie, who knew right away that God had encouraged her to write! Blessed be all the people here who truly love God and who realize that we are all elected to be loved by God from our very first moment of creation. Jesus ultimate commandment was to love one another, for whatever we do to the least we do to Jesus.
lunaqua 1 year ago
beautiful , thanks for shareing . God be with us all
oddydoom3 1 year ago
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find her book at beyond the tunnel . com
talk2000us 1 year ago
Heaven Is a very beautiful place I can't wait to go.
TheAhahahahahaha 1 year ago
She said..."that I earned my right to stay there. that I was an old soul" Bible says.. saved by grace, Eph 2:5,8-9. Titus 3:5. We CANNOT EARN HEAVEN...
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath Neither you nor those who wrote the bible are God as much as you would like to persuade other people of this...it was written as were all religious texts, by other humans like yourself, and has been used as a weapon of fear and hatred, unlike these real encounters told by sincere individuals who have nothing to gain other than to recount actual encounters with the true god of LOVE. I believe them over a God who acts like the worst kind of human being - filled with jeolousy and hatred .
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua.. It seems you are just as blind as she is... You reject the scriptures you reject the words of God...
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath According to YOU - a human being and other human beings that say that they are the words of God. In that way, you are purporting to BE GOD since you are apparently imbued with the knowledge that some words are those of God and other are not....why should I accept that you or other humans know more about how God communicates with humans through the written word? Because a lot of other humans say so? Because of the threats and the fear of hell that are involved, versus a Loving God?
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua... ??? NO... you're really confused.... I suggest that you actually study WHY Christians know the bible to be the ONLY word of God and those who reject it reject God's words... You should start with " evidence for christianity" by josh mcdowell. Yes God is a loving God. God is also a God of wrath..
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath I have been studying theology nearly all of my life, and all fundamemtalists like you think that their religious text is the "correct" one and have "evidence" to back it up, based on what yet other humans have written...whether it is the Quran , etc... and are willing to kill each other to reinforce the point, which is largely why the world is such a sad and hate filled place.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua .... Please show me where Jesus commanded people to kill others to defend His word?. I'm sure you know that Jesus never commanded such a thing. Just because someone some calls himself or herself a Christian does not mean they really are one. Their are many "false" Christians. Its by their fruits that you will know them, And WHAT is the "fruit' Gal 5:22-23.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath If you read what I have posted, you know that is one of my main points, and that is why mainstream Christianity as it stands today is a gross distortion of what Jesus said, and that most probably much of what he said was distorted from the very earliest of times for religopolitical reasons, and religipoitics are inseperable from each other, which is why organized religion and the resulting texts are in and of themselves largely false and have done so much damage to the world.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... You seem really quick to judge me as an "evil fundamentalists" when All I did was respond to what the woman said in the video and tested it by what the scriptures teach.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath I never used the word evil, however, a fundamentalist is one who accepts a religious text in its entirety as fundamentally true, without regard as to how it has been tampered with throughout history in order to fit political agendas of those historically powerful groups that have held sway over how they have been translated, censored and altered massively over time for various reasons. I cannot discard logic and that is why I find SOME of what Mcdowell has to say valid. Love is the way
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... You really do now know me. I have NO "political agendas" I live in Canada.. It seems you really think very little of God. Since your accusing God of being weak and not smart enough to keep His word safe. You know God who sets up governments at his own will.. Dan 2:21, Dan 4:17, Dan 4:25, Dan 4:32.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath I seriously doubt that God set Hitler and his Nazis up as you are suggesting. Humans are soley responsible for having free will in these things, and that is why we are on earth, to learn valuable lessons about how to get along with one another. the Nazis were another group that capitalized on religious differences in order to annihilate those whose belief system differed - and not because they were in possesion of the word of God/ Jesus. This kind of idiocy continues today,
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... Are you denying scriptures that I posted? it seems you are... World governments only exist because God ALLOWS them to...
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath I am explaining who wrote those scriptures,people who lived long after Jesus himself, and therefore they are the words of those people rather than those of Jesus; and yes God allows governments through allowing humans free will, s/he does not set them up by her/his own design, they are the design of human beings and their will.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua .. NO.. The Authors were eyewitness of Christ's life or interviewed eyewitness in the case of Luke. Paul seen a vision of Christ and was taught by Christ Gal 1:11-12.. God is not a male or female BUT God uses the title FATHER. Human governments exist by the will of God ONLY...
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath These gospel authors wrote their accounts in order to quash opposing, earlier accounts of Jesus’ life, known as the Gnostic gospels ,which were then eliminated from the New Testament. This type of censorship happened later with the apocryphal scriptures since they did not agree with evolving church canon. If the truth does not agree with your religious teachings, just censor it and kill the heretics, that is actually what happened to Jesus.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@rbmath Yes I agree that god is neither male nor female, but since the biblw is written by patriarchal humans, God must necessarily be referred to as male, and as FATHER. My point is that humans establish governments on earth through their own works, not through the works of God, therefore God does not create the suffering of those governments, humans do. There would be no point to our existence if everything were totally orchestrated by God as if were were nothing more than powerless amoeba.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... So you mow deny the Divine inspiration of the Bible.. By think that "bible is written by patriarchal humans" No government exists without the will of God. No suffering is allowed to happen without God allowing it to happen..
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath We were created by God, therefore s/he both allowed/willed us to have free will to form governments on earth, but God does not directly form or will them - it is through our own wills that they come into existence, but we are here, as is everything, through the will of God. I know this is may be a bit complex, for you, but it proves that God does not cause or will suffering - allows it, yes,wills or causes it - NO. We all are created by God so we all may be "divinely inspired" .
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... May I ask that your thinking is along the lines of "libertarian free will / Arminianism. If so this will explain allot of your errors. "RE:divinely inspired".. So allot like New Age thinking. if so this also explains allot of your errors. If these are your views than you have no support for them..
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath My thinking is my own and is based on much reading, meditation, life experience, and as I am a human being as are you, trial and error. No one has the answers to everything, and the error is in thinking that some one person or religious text does, which has lead to the slaughter and suffering of countless millions of human beings through many centuries of history here on earth - so much for "errors". May I ask what brought you here to read the "errors" of your fellow humans?
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua.. it still seems that you deny the word of God is the ONLY word and think that its just a mere book like any other when its not... if this is so than that's one error. Another that I see is the implied error that God is not or sometimes loses control because of all the suffering. Nothing happens without the knowledge of God or God allowing it to happen WITHOUT God losing control. God is always 100% in control of history, nothing happens without Him ALLOWING it to happen.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath YOU have not answered my question, why are you reading the words of people who claim to be recieving the word of God directly from him/her?You seem to take an interest in reading these "erroneous" words. As I have said repeatedly, God does allow everything to happen, through allowing humans free will so we have no disagreement in that regard. S/he is the creator of everything that exists, and in total control. Now please be kind enough to answer my question as to your interest in errors.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ..I did answer it the first time but here it is again ... If WHAT (NDE) they claim is from God than it must be measured by God's word, what she said in the video CANNOT be supported by God's word.. 1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God,
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath NO that does not answer the question as it pertains to why you yourself are here reading what you believe to be erroneous concepts. If you do not believe that any NDE's are from God, then why do you yourself visit and listen to them?
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... Yes I believe 'some' NDE's are from but NOT ALL are from. and it does answer your question.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath What are the specific Biblical criteria that must be met, in your opinion, in order for NDE's to have originated from God?
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... They must agree with ALL the scriptures and be tested BY the scriptures on the topic talked about... I have already provided a post that shows the errors in the video...
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath BTW, I have read what Mcdowell says about Jesus, and I do not disagree witha large part of it - - it is not Jesus Christ I have problems with, but the organized religion and texts that have been distorted used and abused over the last 2000 yearsbt those who refer to themselves as Christians, and also the Old Testament god who Jesus was also offended by, in my view. He had a much larger purpose,there is much too little space to argue my view here so if you want, please take this to email.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua .. So you should know that rejecting the Bible is rejecting the only word of God?
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath I reject it because it's not the word of god. It's the word of a handful of men living in the bronze age with no understyanding of the world around them
spikeman23 1 year ago
@rbmathI believe I said that I agree with some of it, which I specified in my post, and which rejects the hatefilledGod of the Old Testement. Love and logic are the way rbmath, that is what Jeus taught, especially to love one another, it is how we live our lives and our learning here on earth that is important. The error has been the focus on BELIEF - you must believe what I believe that has brought about HATE - do you understand? We must transcend this way of thinking or we will end up badly.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... It seems you really have no idea what your talking about. RE: hatefilled God of the Old Testament ...ANSWER.. Jesus WAS THE LORD God of the OT. If you notice what is going to happen at the return of Christ .. Rev 6:16.. Search "wrath" in the NT. I'm not saying to have to believe what I believe. I'm saying you have to believe WHAT the word of says. ALL OF IT. not just pits and peaces that you like..
rbmath 1 year ago
@lunaqua .. NOTICE please from the ESV Jude 4-5 Jud 1:5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. You see how YOU called granted maybe unknowingly Jesus as "the hate filled God of the Old Testament"
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath From the Saint Joseph New American Bible. P 382"Many interpreters today consider Jude a pseudonyymous work dating from the end of the first century or even later. In support of this [...]:(a)the apostles are referred to as belonging to an age that has receded into the past[...](c)the author had a Hellenistic cultural formation(d)[...]fits better into the early 2nd cent." Jesus himself never wrote his sayings down. Those who claimed to did so long after he died, often by pseudonyms.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua I totally agree......Peace
icoltsi18 1 month ago
@rbmath Eph 2:5,8-9:"is now widely accepted by critical scholarship to be "deutero-Pauline," that is, written in Paul's name by a later author" , like nearly all of the New Testament. That is, it was a forgery , and I would much rather put my trust in what a woman tells me she has learned directly from God than what an author who LIES about who he or she is.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... You mean ignorant "LIBERAL" scholarship...
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath If you choose to ignore the truth rbmath, that is your choice.I am sure that you also choose to believe that the earth and universe came into existence less than 10,000 ago, despite the fact that we are receiving irrefutable information based on how long it takes the speed of light to reach us from the edge of the universe, which tells us that it is approximately 13.7 billions years old. But hey, that is just more ignorant liberal scholarship, eh?:)
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua .... May I suggest that you at least honestly study both sides.. creation . com a book "Starlight, Time and the New Physics' Dr. John Hartnett. ... If you like I can provide scholars who would disagree with your liberal scholars...
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath I have already done that, and also found offensive your concept of a god who creates people with the purpose of punishing them, like an abusive parent who has children in order to lock them in a closet, not just for days or even years for not having learned their lessons properly, but for ETERNITY. This is incompatible with the loving the loving god, who is presented so clearly by these NDEers, for example, Goosed. I am sure someday that you will see the light, rbmath, as we ALL will:)
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... So it seems you reject Divine revelation to suit your own needs. Rom 9:21.. By the way. Not all Christians believe in an eternity of suffer hell. I for one do not believe the bible teach that. I believe the bible teaches "conditional immortality" The wicked are brought to the judgement seat and are given the second death. Rev 21:8..
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath To suit my own needs? No because it is illogical that God is an unlovign monster who punishes sins of a few years through eternal torment Besides, you are picking and choosing scriptures to fit your conception of an afterlife, as many fundamentalists would reject any sort of NDE outright since they characterize the "first death" as one in which humans do not awaken for "judgement" until the second coming, and they use scriptures to "prove" this.Sciptures are used willy nilly for "proof"
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ..Please prove that I pick and chose scriptures? Do have ANY evidence? NO you have none. The facts are that their IS people who hold to the teachings of conditional immortality. I have already said that I believe "some" NDE's can be from God, IF they do not conflict with what the scriptures clearly teach...
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath Because you have arrived at one conclusion while other Chritians have concluded a diferent outcome by interpreting the same scriptures differently or picking other scriptures to support their different conclusion, also because biblical scriptures contradict themselves. In fact you said ealier that heaven cannot be earned, and then stated that it was conditional, which is itself a contradiction. In fact, God is all powerful and is not subject to biblical dictates when making judgments.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua.. NO. I do not pick and chose what to believe. If I were to I like to believe that polygamy was still allowed ;)... I use ALL the scriptures on a given topic and look to what others have said that are allot smarter than I. the bible when properly understood in its context does not contradict themselves... Heaven cannot be earned is true. I never said in the context of heaven that it was conditional. God cannot contradict Himself. What the video claims contradicts what God taught.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath Your words:" Jesus WAS THE LORD God of the OT. If you notice what is going to happen at the return of Christ .. Rev 6:16.. Search "wrath" in the NT. " 1st Commandment:"Thou shalt not kill" " IN CONTEXT is just an excuse to twist the meaning of words that blatantly contradict themselves constantly throughout religious texts. You said "conditional immortality" - what does that mean other than that heaven is conditional? You are backpedaling. God is not contradictory AS IS THE BIBLE.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua RE: ..1st Commandment:"Thou shalt not kill" ".. Actually its Murder in modern tramslations. Strong's H7523 - ratsach ... 1) to murder, slay, kill. The commands were given to HUMANS. God has the ALL the rights to put anyone to death since he owns us.. None of this denies what I said. That God / Jesus is coming back to punish those who refuse Him and to put an end to all evil and sin.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath However, throughout the bible, humans are exhorted to kill one another by God, and if you know the bible you know this to be true - no way to twist words and meanings to dance around this - i.e. asking Abraham to kill Isaac, inciting various wars, & other examples too numerous to cite here. BTE, rb, these folks who interpret the bible are not smarter than you , just better at controlling people through twisting the words in religious texts to suit their whatever ther beliefs are.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua .. I have not denied that God used Israel to punish and wipe-out other nations for their wickedness of child sacrifice. However Christ brought a New Covenant and Christ NO WHERE commanded Christians to kill. He commanded us to LOVE.. Tell me Did God ALLOW Abraham to ACTUALLY kill Isaac? NO... It was a test of Faith.. How does what others believe deny the facts of scriptures?
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath You mean that "God" contradicted himself/changed hismind about killing?(New covenant) Sounds very clinical "God used Israel", but "God "made people commit both individual and mass murder in Judges;"God" picked an assasin to kill the king of Moab and then killed 10,000 of the Moab people/children. Sounds like "God" here and throughout is a human creature in possesion of a very passionate bloodthirsty childkilling nature himself, because the unloving biblical "God " was created by humans
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... NO. I said what I meant... You really have no clue... If God was unloving than WHY did he come to die for Us?.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath You have just ignored 2000 years of history, BCE,in which many people died horribly, and then 2000 more years of history in which many more people were executed or burned for being or not being Christians - why did they have to die so horribly? Was this what Jesus wanted? Was this what God wanted? Because a stupid book said a man had to die for us because humans are terrible creatures ?- God created us this way -we make mistakes to LEARN - and we have a brain to search FOR THE TRUTH.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... just how have I ignored history. I have acknowledged what God did and I'm aware of people committing violence in the name of Christ, Something Christ NEVER commanded in the New Covenant. If people actually obeyed God their would be NO violence and no sin. But allot of people do not obey and hurt others. God WILL put an end to ALL violence..Read Revelation 21:1-6.. I hope your honest enough to admit the truth even when the truth hurts...
rbmath 1 year ago
@lunaqua Excuse me, in this case, the Moabs were all men, but there were many other instances where the Biblical"God" mass murdered, whther through using humanity to do it or through the elements or angels and it involved the ruthless slaughter of men women and children i.e the flood, the slaughter of firsrtborn babies in Egypt (talk about child sacrifice!) and many other incitements of war where women and children perished. I coudl also elaborate on how "God" encouraged the same sorts of(cont)
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua The same sorts of sin he was punishing various groups for, such as the Moabs , which was not actually for "child sacrifice", but for various types of incest. You can find "God" encouraging various types of gross sexual behaviors in other parts of the Old Testament, and I put the word God in quotes, because I do not consider this to be God, but a construct of the humans of that era, because of his very clear, ruthless, brutal, bloodthirsty, unloving behavior -that of any king of that era
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua .. Lev 18:1-30..
rbmath 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... Luk 13:2-3.. From, The Difficult Doctrine of the Love of God, by D.A Carson "There is nothing intrinsically impossible about wrath and love being directed toward the same individual or people at the same time. God in His perfection must be wrathful against His rebel image-bearers, for they have offended Him; God in His perfection must be loving toward His rebel image-bearers, for He is that kind of God.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath Basically,there are two types of individuals, those that promote the love of God, and those that promote the wrath and fear of god The truereason the fear of god is promoted by humans is for reasons of control and power. That is the greatest reason religious texts are written, and they have succeeded in their purpose. I choose to believe in a God of pure love, and in those who promote a God of pure love. If you choose to believe in an unloving god of wrath, that is your decision, rb.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua Chose to believe what you want it does not change anything I said. God is both. John 3:36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him. Joh 3:16 "For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath Jesus himself did not write any of that, only people who did not know him and did not have anything to do with him. He himself wrote nothing,and so never said any of that, nor made of those sorts of threats. I believe that he is one of those individuals who promoted the trueGod of pure love, and he was killed for doing so by those who promoted the unloving, false and wrathful god who exists only in a books written by humans like yourself. Words are words, God is God, and love is love
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua .. Your wrong. The gospel authors were written by eyewitness of the life death and resurrection of Christ. Tell me please If as you claim Jesus did not write anything, Just HOW than do you know what Jesus promoted? Since you deny His eyewitness accounts
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath Any human being who claims to speak with the authority of God is wrong, since no book contains the wisdom of God, only God contains the wisdom of God. Jesus knew this, and this is why I believe he did not write anything down. Thus, I do not believe that Jesus made any of the claims that were made in the NT, or he would have written them himself – and he did not. Jesus did not want to prove how evil and unlovable we are to God nor that s/he would reject us without a bloody sacrifice
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua HIs message:direct access to a loving God without the need for priests and rituals, and he was killed for spreading this message. He was so against authoritative religion that he did not write down his teachings. Ironically, the sect of his followers which came to prominence led by powerful priests who did not want the people to have direct communion with a loving God, as it would have eliminated the need for them, and the institution of guilt & fear using Jesus' death - very clever.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua .. Question. Exactly HOW do you know this of Jesus since you reject eyewitness accounts? All you have is speculation
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath RB - I have already stated that biblical scholars who are interested in the truth say that none of the gospels were written by eyewitenesses, and even if they were, none of these accounts were written by Jesus himself. Why do you think that is? I do not KNOW anything for sure, and neither does anyone else about someone who lived 2000yrs ago. I am basing my THEORY on the FACT that he wrote nothing himself as I already.explained I think he was rejecting ORGANIZED RELIGION AND their texts.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua ... Your believes on this rejecting the word of God will not help you. It seems you really know nothing of Theology. All you want is a theology that suits your needs instead of the truth... So without the bible, since you reject it as divine revelation really do not know what Jesus taught.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath All Christians interpret the bible to suit their needs - that is why it has beenso vastly altered and why many "original" gospels were removed early on, none of which were written by Jesus himself, only by people who lived long after him who were interested in controllling people. Which "word of god "do you accept ? The Catholic or the one overhauled by the Protestants (rewritten by Luther, then by King James) ? Which censored version of the bible do you rely on to "speak for god"?
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua. I thought you said Jesus did not anything? Now your saying that He did. may I suggest this book. "The truth about Jesus and the Lost Gospels A reasoned look at Thomas, Judas and Gnostic Gospels" by David Marshall. Also please look up " textual criticism" you will find your answers.
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath Yes I did say that he did not write anything, and that is what I base me theory that he disliked religious texts on. God bless and keep you rb, and we will all be together someday in God's beautiful loving presence.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@rbmath For a month I have been discussing things with you rb, and have told you I loved you, but you have never said one kind word to me. Accordintgto the bible which you so strongly adhere to Jesus said that they were liars who say they love God and donot love their neighbors. I got the feeling that you are very coldhearted rb. Whatever you neglect to do to the least of these, so you nelgected to do to me. You are not a real Christian at heart, just talk the talk.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua.. You have no idea what "true" love is. You have continued to insult the word of God by calling the eye witness "liars and frauds", You have continued to misrepresent what I have said. My defense of the word of God shows my LOVE for God FIRST and most of all, The bible does say to love God FIRST and others second. A true lover of God would understand this, you have shown your hatred for the word of God and You reject any possibility that your wrong to reject His words..
rbmath 1 year ago
@lunaqua. You are respected and loved as a fellow human made in the image of God. This respect does not mean hiding the truth that any Christian can see. I pray that God might have mercy on your soul for you to truly see your sins and all your errors for rejecting his word..
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath "You are respected and loved as a fellow human made in the image of God. " , but not by you rb - it is you who do not know what love is, and I pray that you , as a very cold person, will finally come to know what the real love of God is. For now, you love to go around condemning others as heretics if they do not agree with your scriptural interpretations of what God is - that is where your real love lies. I love you and God loves you and everyone, and we all go to heaven.
lunaqua 1 year ago
@lunaqua.. Once again you bring up this false charge. Its not "MY" views that condemn anyone, its as I have already said. its what is clearly written in the bible.. which you hate and reject. Everyone is not going to heaven..
rbmath 1 year ago
@rbmath It is the very negative scriptural interpretation of God that you accept as 100% correct, which when others do not accept you call heretics. Your God is negative, so let others accept God as the pure loving positive entity that S/he truly is. I reject God as a negative and hateful being who rejects US, because that is a false view of God. We were created in God's image as loving beings, not as evil beings whom God rejects. May the love & light of God fill your heart always
lunaqua 1 year ago