arvanite Arghalija e Katerinës (αργαλειός της Κατερίνας)

[trAX708]

ore kush eshte ky tipi se e kam vene re qe ka shume video te tilla te gjitha te realizuara ne te njejten dhome.... duket personazh interesant.. do te me pelqente te kisha nje kontakt ( e-mail , msn )

[filaqoticam]

ROPT GREKEVE DHE FILOKURVAVE GREKE TE TIPIT aspetosi.

TUNG TE GJITHE PATRIOTEVE SHQIPTREVE .

RROFTE SHQIPERIA ETNIKE

[aspetosi]

@filaqoticam -------O Camut ----Ik ore Race langaraqesh ------se juve ju urren gjithe Shqiperia

---U bere ti mut muti te besh patriotin ---te shkerdhefsha motren ty dhe Grekve --qen i piste ---

---Nje kafshe primitive si ty do na fuse ne percarjen

---Kosovaret jane te gjithe me ne ,qe jemi me Enverin --se ne jemi shumica e Shqiptareve--

--Ne e kemi krijuar Shqiperine -- i kemi thyer hundet grekut --ndersa ju iket me bisht ne shale -------Jeni minj, nuk shkrepet nje pushke --Krimbat e mutit

[filaqoticam]

@aspetosi

HAJT ULU NE GJUNJE OJ GOJORJA E ENVERIT QE TE VARIM NJE MEDALJE NE QAFE , NJE NE GOJE E NJE NE BYTHE QE TE NDJEHESH REHAT SI GJAK KURVE GREKE QE JE OJ PROSTITUTE SEMAFORESH.

MOS BO GAM GAM SI GORE POR BEJ ZANATIN E MAMASE DHE MOS LLOMOTIT OJ GOJORE. TE QIFSHIN ÇAMET ,LABET , KOSOVARET , MALESORET DHE BALLISTET GRUAN DHE VAJZEN MU NE PIÇKE  DHE TY OJ PIÇKE E QELBUR MU NE BYTHE. IK QIU OJ LAVIRE SEMAFORESH.

TE FALA MAMIT DHE GJYSHES....

[aspetosi]

@filaqoticam --------O Camut ------o Raca me langaraqe e Ballkanit----------Po ju camuket late nam or muti i mutit -------Ju theri greku si kec --dhe ju nuk shkrepet nje pushke

---Ju jeni mut burrash ---Ne fakt jeni mut mut mutesh Greku eshte me frikacaku ne Europe ---Krimba te ndyre qe dini vetem te zvarriteni para armiqvve

--Ju shkerdheu greku grate , cupat nenat e gjyshet edhe ju ne bythe dhe ju nuk shkrpet nje pushke -

-Pthuuu !!! ---Minj Halesh-

-- keni surrat flisni ju zvarraniker

[filaqoticam]

@aspetosi

TI OJ KURVE E LINDUR DO TE GENJESH DHE TE TRILLOSH NE MES TE DITES ME DIELL. JE TAMAM KARAKURVE GREKE . NEJSE NGA NJE KURVE GREKE NUK KE SE ÇFARE TE PRESESH VEÇSE TRILLIME DHE KURVELLIK . PRANDAJ IK QIU DHE MOS NA QI KARIN ME IDIOTESIRAT E TUA PREJ KURVE GREKE. IK BEJ ZANATIN E TE PAREVE TE TU , IK QIU NE BYTHE.

PERDORE BYTHEN SIÇ DINI VETE JU KURVAT GREKO KOMUNISTE.

VRAP ....... NE PUNE KURVE .... TEK SEMAFORI E KE VENDIN...VRAP

[aspetosi]

@filaqoticam -O idiot -- ju kam qire motrat grekeve edhe ty --ok ?

Ik ore trap ,se je hajvan fare e ke IQ-ne me te ulet se byth e Sales ---Ndaj tall karin Sal me ju camutet

Nuk harrin te kuptosh se njerezit ju urrejne ju por nuk do te thote se duan grekun

Grekut ne ja kemi thyer hundet per 50 vjet rresht

i qime motren

Ndersa tani juve po i lepini bythen grekut

- O Camut ti duke share Enverin diskretiton vetne or krimb i piste --se e tregon veten tamam QELBESIRE --se Enveri ju ndihmoi ju

[filaqoticam]

@aspetosi ESHTE E HABITSHME OJ KURVE SE LLAFET QE TI THEM TY JA THEM EDHE GREKEVE SE VETEM KURVAT GREKE DHE SERBE FLASIN KUNDER NACIONALISTEVE SHQIPETARE DHE SHQIPERIS .

PRANDAJ AUTOMATIKISHT JE GREKE OSE PROSTITUTE GREKE QE KE SHIT BYTHEN PER 300 EURO OJ FAMILJE KURVASH.

TE QIFSHA ENVERIN DHE GJITHE KELYSHET DHE GOJORET E ENVERIT SI PUNA JOTE OJ PIÇKE E QELBUR.

IK OJ KURVE SE QELBE "YT" , VJEN ERA KURVELLIK 10.000 km LARG. IK HA KAR QE TE DALESH NE FIS DHE MOS HA MUT OJ PIÇKE GREKE.

ROPT

[filaqoticam]

@aspetosi ISHE TEK SEMAFORI MROME OJ KURVE ?BOTE NDONJE LEKE OJ PROSTITUTE ?SA ZEZAK TE NDERUAN?

HE KURVE KETE BEJ TI QIU DHE MOS LEJ KAR ZEZAKU PA LEPIRE SE PARTIA DO TE HOLLA SE ERDHEN ZGJEDHJET. SHQYEJENI BYTHEN OJ FAMILJE KURVASH SE PARTIA JU KA DHENE DHE PATENTEN E KURVELLIKUT PER KETE DITE.

TI DO RRAF E DO QIRE TRE HERE NE DITE PARA DHE PAS BUKE TAMAM SI NJE KRYEKURVE.

UNE KAM ME TE SHKERDHY ME QEN E ME MACE ME BURRA E ME GRA NGA PRAGU I SHTEPISE QE KE E DERI TEK AVLLIA.

ROPT OJ PIÇK

[filaqoticam]

@aspetosi

ISHE TEK SEMAFORI MROME OJ PIÇKE?TURP MOS I HUMB TRADITAT E TE PAREVE ,VRAP TEK SEMAFORI OJ KURVE GREKE.

IK PUNO SI JOTEME DHE MOS FOL PER RRACE OJ HARIXHESHKE.SA PER RRACE TE VEJME NE MAJE TE KARIT TY DHE TE GJITHE KURVAT SI PUNA JOTE. NA URREJNE? E KUSH?KUSH URREN RRACEN TONE O ESHTE RRACE KURVE OSE ESHTE GREKE OSE KARAKURVE KOMUNISTE. SE VETEM KURVAT ,GREKET DHE KOMUNISTET HEDHIN BALLTE MBI FISNIKET E ÇAMERISE. TE QIFSHA ROPT DHE GJYSHEN OJ PRODUKT I REPARTIT USHTARAK

[aspetosi]

-------------This guy plays violine better than Paganini --loooooooooooooooooooool

---u dhivaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa--------­--

[cameria1000]

@aspetosi

TE QIFSHA ROPT OJ GOJORE. PO SA VAJZE KURVE QE JE MOJ BUÇORE .TERE JETEN KURVEN KE PER TE BERE OJ KURVE GREKE. IK ZAPTO SEMAFORIN SE AI ESHTE ZANATI JOT MOJ KURVE E RRACE KURVE.

IK GOJOHU OJ PIÇKE, TI JE PRODUKT BRIGADIERI DHE PRODUKT I TURNIT TE TRETE. TE QIFSHA RRACEN DHE FISIN OJ FIS KURVE,OJ FIS SEMAFORESH. ROOOPT.....GJYSHEN,GRUAN,VAJZE­N , GJYSHIN.....

TE QIFSHA GREKEN MU NE BYTH OJ BUÇORE.

[filaqoticam]

@aspetosi

TE QIFSHA PRAGUN E SHTEPISE OJ KURV GREKE.

SI DOLE MROME TEK SEMAFORI MOJ KURVE E RRACE KARAKURVE?

HAJD SE NUK TA KAM FRIKEN SE QELBESH KURVELLIK I TERI, SE GJAK KURVE JE MOJ TE QIFSHA MAMANE DHE BABANE MU NE BYTHE.

BEJ ZANATIN E MAMASE DHE MOS LLOMOTIT MO SI GORE OJ GOJORE.

VARE MEDALJEN NE QAFE DHE ULU NE GJUNJE E NA E MERR NJE HERE NE GOJE SIÇ JA MERRTE JOTEM DIKUR USHTAREVE DHE BRIGADIERIT OJ PROSTITUTE E LINDME.

ROPT .......NE PAFUNDESI OJ VAJZE SEMAFORESH

[aspetosi]

@filaqoticam -----O Camut--O Rrrace e perbuzur ---Qepe se do te shkerdhej ato bushtrat qe ke ne shpi dhe ne fis---ok ?

-Do te shkerdhej Gruan ---motren & teteme ,.....me keq sec i shkerhden Hoxha ---

---Se hoxha esht idiot -- i qi me gjithe Citiane 

---Po une jam merakci do ti shkerdhej camkat

tuj kercy vallen e Osman Takes --- po do ju bej nje qirje me -hedhje nga Dollapi ---Qirje Plazhi-

--Dhe i thuaj atyre kurvave qe ke ne shpi te bejne gati bythen per Kurban Bajram --ok?

[filaqoticam]

@aspetosi

TE QIFSHA PRAGUN E SHTEPISE OJ KURV GREKE.

SI DOLE MROME TEK SEMAFORI MOJ KURVE E RRACE KARAKURVE?

MOS FOL PER RRACE OJ HARIXHESHKE.

DHE MOS FOL PER TE QIRE OJ FIS KURVE .

JE NGA AJO RRACE QE KENI BURRAT ME KURVA SE GRATE.MERR MOTREN DHE GRUAN PERDORE DHE VRAP TEK SEMAFORI OJ KURVE GREKE SEMAFORESH.

ROPT KU TI KESH OJ GJAK KARAKURVE.

TE QIFSHA "ADN" E HARIXHINJVE TE GREQISE OJ KURVE.

[nilusniper23]

@aspetosi PO kush je ti o bir kurve,ti nuk ke moral e karakter,ti ke lindur kurve, dhe kurve ke per te vdekur,

[nilusniper23]

@aspetosi

[nilusniper23]

@aspetosi

[nilusniper23]

@aspetosi O bir kurve ti nuk je shqiptar ,kurve ke lindur o  miu halesh,

[nilusniper23]

@aspetosi O bir kurve ti nuk je shqiptar ,kurve ke lindur o miu halesh,

[aspetosi]

@nilusniper23 -hahahahahahaah------Ballsit do te qi gruan lopthi ----e di ti c'te gjen -

--Ma di koken e ketij timit mua

---Ballisto do te shkerdhej ty -bashke me Keterinen --ok?---------Pastaj do shkerdhej edhe Camuket se ato jane koqe fare ---i qi Hoxha i kerdis

-------Vjen xhamia era pith camke

--dhe pastaj do kendoj ky kauri ketu -

-------.......Camja me gjitonin ri --

----------------por Aspetosi e ...qi ..--looooooooooooooooool hahahahahaahaha

.apo Jo o loqe ?-un dhivaaaaa

[filaqoticam]

@aspetosi

I HENGSH MUTIN DUKAQOTASVE,LABEVE,ÇAMEVE ,TIRONCAVE, MALESOREVE, LALEVE DHE KOSOVAREVE.

DHE SI SHPERBLIM DUKAQOTASIT, LABET,ÇAMET ,TIRONCAT ,MALESORET LALET DHE KOSOVARET KANE PER TE TE QIRE TY, MAMANE ,BABANE ,MOTREN GRUAN , PRAGUN E SHTEPISE ,FISIN DHE GJITHE RRACEN TENDE TE NDYRE GREKE.

BESOJ SE KE NDEL I KENAQUR?

PO NUK JE KENAQ PO TA FUS TY DHE SATEME ENVERIN TIM NE BYTHE DHE NE GOJE.

PO QE SE NUK JE KENAQ E FILLOJME PRAP NGA FILLIMI.

ROPT KURVAVE GREKE, BABIN TY OJ GOJORE

[Aspetozi]

@aspetosi Partizanet e degjeneruar komunista pushkatonin njerzit lakuriq qe tu vidhnin rrobat

[tantolloni]

That's wonderful. Congratulations ! 

[Ferizajcity]

Pershendeje nga zvicra, jem me origjin nga Kosova, kenge shum bukur.

@topgunfe I lumt je, shum bukur pe lun violinen :D

[ceniboy]

Falem Vlla, u jam arberesh ka horen e arbereshevet ne sicillja, je arberesh vidhema ti?

[TheAriRezaku]

pershendetje te medha ke nga une vella,bej qka te besh kurr mos harro se ke Gjak Shqipetari dhe Djalin tim e kam pagezuar me emrin Arber,vajza Arbresha.

[4Absolut]

@ceniboy Ciao , io sono albanese che studio a Genova . Lui e una frazione del nostro popolo che vive in Grecia . Questa minorita non e riconosciuta mai dai Greci e assimilita. Loro si chiamano Arvanitas come vi chiamate vuoi Arberesh o i turqi li chiamano arnaut (anche in turchia ci sono molti albanesei del xiii secolo e dopo .

Pershendetje vlla :)

[shkembbaroti]

Lysimazomachus :-)

If some stupid muslim and cristian Albanians wouldn´t fight between each other, in 1821 would be no Greece. you wouldn´t have a civil war in 20-th century and the most important:

You would all sing these kind of songs, not your turkish LAIKA.

[Lysimachus81]

Albaninas are Greeks. If albania was a part of Greece since 1821 now Albanians would be in EU, they wouldn't have been a communist state, they would not have been occupied from serbians and they would be prosperous like the rest of Greece. And the most important they wouldn't have been islamised by the Othoman empire. Arvanites knew something back then and they created the Greek state. The Albanians obviously are missing something...

[aspetosi]

-------While Arvanites are missing the Most Important thing in a Civilised life : ..............THEIR Ethnic Identity... ----Arvanites are the Only Ethnic Minority in this modern Life who are afraid to declare their Identity-- ---Arvanites are like Slavers of modern times-- -----They Don't have FEELLINGS like any other Human, They don't have Morals ----- Arvanites : are Like Stray Dogs who BASK & VEGETATE in the Greek Shit ------Arvanites are the Shame of 21st Century----------

[Lysimachus81]

Arvanites have a very distinct ethnic identity - and that is Greek Arvanites!. Your problem is that the identity is not the one you would like them to be. The rest about morals and modern life and the like is just crap of yours.

[aspetosi]

The morals--the Dignity---the Freedom of Expression

and the Fight to have this Distinguished & Nobel Features which have shaped

& are Shaping the Civilisation of these Modern Times are .........Crap, ONLY for SOME Self- disgraced

& Self-Humiliated of these modern times...U ! Arvanites

cuze U

are Living in A World of Slavery,

u are the Only Serfoi of 21 st Century

We feel bad for u

-This world is going toward Peace & Fraternity

and does not make sense to hide ur identity

[SuperSajmo]

@aspetosi ik ore te qifsha rrropt.....

[aspetosi]

@SuperSajmo -------------Qepe ti mut i mutit --

------------se do te shkerdhej motrat--gruan --cupat--tezet --hallat -xhene dhe gjithe bushtrat e fisit tend te pjerdhur ----Por do ti shkerdhej me stilin e brigadierit pararoj--

---Qe t'u dali bytha nga vendi

[SuperSajmo]

@aspetosi o brigadiero,ik qiu sa te duash po me fisin tend,mos i shaj arvanitet se ka dhe arvanite qe flasin shqip me mire se ti,dhe kane identitet,mos bej lojen e grekut se greku ate do qe te shahemi me njeri tjetrin,pastaj ne mut te grekut me duket se po jetojne jo vetem arvanitet.te pakten ata e quajne veten arvanite e jo si ca shqiptare te sotshem qe kane kethyer dhe emrat.hajt qiu e mos fut percarje

[ShkodraNEWS]

or ti paske pjerdh komplet si njeri , siç i thojn andej nga jugu ti paske rrdhur fare mer lal,ku e le fishekun a mos vadh e fute ne bir te bythes hahahahaaaaaaaaaa

[DhiPshtinali1]

all the greeks that say they are arvanita is not truue is a liee,reall arvanitas ar Albananians thej know that,but there are 1 greeks thej make propoganda for the greek state,greek nr1 in propoganda,wy you not recognize minoriti languages beceuse 60% of grecce has other origin,Albanians,Vlachs,Romani­ans,Turks,Macedonians,Bulgaria­ns, 70%of total greeks in greece immigrated in 1924 after the (Treaty of Lausanne)from turkey in grecce,the real home from the greeks is mostli today Turkey

[Decapage86]

eisai trelos ...alla se pao me xilia...xoris na se ksero...exo dei ola ta videakia sou..ahahhahaeisai theos...

[Tkemos]

γεια σας ορε ζαγαρ...ωραια περνατε βλεπω...χεχεχε εγω ειμαι ελλαδα...

[TonyMichigan]

E pasni thy gjuhen muzik e ngjajshme me te jugut pom pelqen rrnofshi rrnoft camerija

[DFC1947]

Ethnic Albania !!

[trendafil2005]

To topgunlife: Keep doin what you are doin! That sweet music and lyrics are a reminder of the centuries bygone and make us all proud of our suliotes and ancestors. No matter what they say, we albanians are your long parted brothers by blood and we'll always cherish this music, which is the kind of music our grandparets sang in weddings! Peace and love!

[sulioti]

grekt jane hajdutet me te medhenj qe ne kohe ta lashta na kan vjedhur historin ton dhe kete bejn akoma dhe sot kure thon se arvanitet jan grek po nuk kan faj o vllezer fajin e kemi ne qe nuk kemi shtet qe i lejmom ca nano e berisha te na qeverisin me kuptoni se cfare dua te them .......

[prishtinali4life]

Long life to ALBANIAN people around the world .

OUR TIME IS COMING AGAIN.

Rroft Shqiperia etnike.

[suliot]

Long life ethnic Albania...

[leonidas27thesprotia]

poustara

[soisodoeht]

"Ναυσικάα τι νη σ'ώδε μεθήμονα μήτηρ..." Homer's origin was doubted. Seven cities argued for his origin: Smyrna, Chios, Colophon, Argos, Sparta, Athens and Ithaca. Which of those cities was actually Pelasgian in 800 BC? Also, I didn't know that Pelasgian was a known language and that I can understand it! I'm utterly surprised! So, I'll write some Pelasgian lyrics: "Άνδρα μοι ένεπε Μούσα πολύτροπον ος μάλα πόλλα πλάγχθη επεί Τροίης..."

[soisodoeht]

That's your version. Greeks didn't refer only to foreign languages but also to greek dialects which were hard to understand.

[soisodoeht]

I also attended a private greek school, apart from the public and I don't just believe in the "the 3000 year old hellenic civilization". I'm sure about it. I can understand Homer's original texts even if 2800 years have gone by.

[soisodoeht]

The main inaccuracy of your translation is that "βάρβαροι" in the text doesn't mean "From the Barbarians".It should be "βαρβάρων" like the preceeding "Ελλήνων". So, my translation is the following:

And with him,from the Greeks,there were Ambrakiotai,Leucadians and Anaktorioi and as he had them, came 1000 Peloponneseans and 1000 barbarian Chaones,who have no king and are lead by two "annual" defenders from the original family Fotios and Nikanor. Thesprotoi, with no king, allied with the Chaones.

[soisodoeht]

Are you threatening me? Well, do it. I'm here waiting for your answer.

[soisodoeht]

The original text:

Καί αυτώ παρήσαν Ελλήνων μέν Αμπρακιώται καί Λευκάδιοι καί Ανακτόριοι καί ούς αυτός έχων ήλθε χίλιοι Πελοποννησίων, βάρβαροι δέ Χάονες χίλιοι αβασίλευτοι, ών ηγούντο επετησίω προστατεία εκ τού αρχικού γένους Φώτιος καί Νικάνωρ. ξυνεστρατεύοντο δέ μετά Χαόνων καί Θεσπρωτοί αβασίλευτοι.

What makes you think that anyone (even Greek) could impose me his opinion? Thank God I know to read! You are the one, who has learnt a "fairy tale" and keeps repeating it without any proof.

[soisodoeht]

Mentioning names of greek authors means nothing to me. Gimme the passages.

[soisodoeht]

If I had no arguments, I'd also say "bullshit" for your "theories".

[soisodoeht]

The translation is not accurate. Even the names are not correctly given.

[soisodoeht]

Who else calls them, according to you, non-greeks?

[soisodoeht]

That's your opinion. Not Thucydides'one. I didn't say that those tribes didn't have greek culture, but that their greek culture and administrative system were more primitive than the Athenian one. They worshiped the same gods and spoke greek dialects as the rest of the Greeks.

[soisodoeht]

Thucydides' book was not "Peloponnesian War" but "Istoriai". If you had read it, you would have known the title and you'd have used a more accurate translation.

[soisodoeht]

...I give you the example of Aetolians cause it was a tribe residing in Western Central Greece between the Leucadians and the Achaeans and nobody else had ever doubted their "Greekness". So were the Boeotians, the Thessalians and the Elians. Don't forget that Thucydides was Athenian and consider himself superior to peoples with less developed civilizations or who spoke more vulgar greek dialects than attic Greek.

[soisodoeht]

Thucydides makes clear what he actually means by the term "barbarians": he calls "barbarians" those tribes who had not an organized administration-system (=king). Both the term used for their leaders (prostates=defenders) and their names (Fotios=Enlightened and Nikanor=Victorious against men) are purely greek are so are all the found written Epirotan monuments of that era. Thucydides, himself, called "barbarians" the Aetolians, Aristophanes the Boeotians, the Thessalians and the Elians etc...

[soisodoeht]

Have you ever read the original texts of ancient greek writers and have you understood that Epirotes were barbarians? Cause I have read plenty of them and I've not understood such a thing. Give me an example (writer and book).

[filgeo]

Thanatos stous Pseftes. Voreia Ipeiros eisai Elliniki

[berati99]

Yes the greek gave to the world homosexuality.

[soisodoeht]

That's how Turks learnt to "sleep" with Albanian boys!

[NYPD44]

If Arvanites are a Greek tribe where did they got the Albanian names and last names?

Dont get into this kind of discussion because you are not Arvanit and you dont know nothing about Arvanites!

All you know is that you want Arvanites to be Greek, but you cant help it neither can i!

ARVANITES ARE A BRANCH OF THE ALBANIAN TREE

[soisodoeht]

Tell me an Albanian name of an Arvanite. Just one! Even your national hero had purely greek name (and surname)! Cause my Arvanit relatives are called Ioannis, Ioanna, Petros, Eleni, Georgios, Vasiliki, Eirini, Pericles, Athanasia, Anna etc. Also the most famous Arvanites have surnames such as Pankalos, Eggonopoulos, Chronopoulou, Merkouri, Lampeti, Kountouriotis, Androutsos, Bouboulina etc. We need no help to be Greek.The first president of the Greek Republic was the Arvanit Kountouriotis(1924).

[trendafil2005]

Most of those names are biblicak names my friend. And in case you didn't know the biblical sotries happened in Middle East. Does that make you middle eastern?

Hmmmm, I guess so, cuz your lands were in Turkey and you worked your way up to Europe with time.

[soisodoeht]

Ioannis, Ioanna and Anna are indeed biblical. What about Petros, Eleni, Georgios, Vasiliki, Eirini, Pericles, Athanasia, Theodoros (Pangalos), Nicos (Eggonopoulos), Melina (Mercouri), Elli (Lampeti), Odysseas (Androutsos) etc. which are purely greek names?

[NYPD44]

Boddy take a chill pill first because it seems like you are a little hot!

Whats the matter with you? Start talking about something and then turn around and talk about something else!

Anyways!

Now what do you know about Arvanites?

You say that you come from an Arvanite family!

Do you know how to speak the langauge?

And if you do how come we understand each other in that language since you claim that Arvanites are an old Greek tribe?

[soisodoeht]

Maybe I'm not ARVANITIS13 (I'm Arvanitis 14!)but I can answer to all your questions. I know everything about Arvanites and how they came to southern Greece. I don't speak fluently the language but my parents who do, cannot understand the Geg Albanians. The theory that the Arvanites are an old greek tribe are based on scientific evidence which proves the similarity of Arvanit social structure with other greek tribes' one originating fron the Dorians (Cretan).

[NYPD44]

It dont surprises me that you can answer the questions but only in one way. Only in the was that Orthodox church of Greece have tought you.

You need to open your mind because Kryeziu is not a Greek surname, Boçari, is not a Greek surname, even Kola (Kolias) is not a Greek surname, neither is Bubulina and i can go on and on and on with Albanian surnames of Arvanites.

You say that Arvanites are new Dorians but they speak Albanian

[NYPD44]

You say they got Dorian traditions but i would say they got the same traditions like Epirots or Kaons or Thespots where they are from.

Open your mind my friend and dont belive everything what Greek church tells you.

If you are an Arvanit you shouldnt get diffensive when Albanians ask for the right of language of Arvanites. Dont you want to have some schools in Arvanite language in Greece so the kids learn that holy language?

Is so simple you just dont want Arvanite culture to exist...

[soisodoeht]

Greek Orthodox Church has taught me nothing. What I know about our tribe is from my gradparents, who were not so religious persons. Of course, there are Arvanit-originating surnames and so are Venetian-,Latin-, Turkish-, Italian-, Vlach-originating ones. That doesn't prove anything. Also, I never supported that theory about Dorians. I said it's a scientific theory.Epirots,Kaons,Thespots were purely greek tribes.Actually Graecos was an Epirotan local hero and Molossians were Achilles'descendants.

[soisodoeht]

Moreover, we need no support from the Albanians to fight for our rights. You cannot understand that Arvanitic language is not a written one, but it has been always used for everyday life. There is hardly no litterature in Arvanitic, except for some songs. So, how would it be taught and what would it serve, since most original Arvanit-places (Attica, Boeotia, Corinthia, Argolis etc.) are populated by purely greek speakers? Also, Arvanites consider standand greek as holy as the Arvanite language.

[soisodoeht]

Finally, you cannot understand that we are not occupated by "Greeks" but we are actually Greeks. We are the co-founders of the new greek state and we have plenty of representantives in the greek Parliament to fight for our rights. Your obvious problem is that Greek minority in Albania asks for education in greek and you want in a way revenge them, exploiting us and our status in greek society. But the problem is that we are no minority or wanna be one! (although we're very open-minded)

[NYPD44]

This is what you want to be! What do you mean with "how would it be taught and what would it serve"

Well that is an other fact that connect it with the Albanian langage, because our history have been serviving through them songs, from Pelazgian times till now days

And as far as the surnames, i would say that those kind of surnames are only in the Arvanites comunity in Greece not in Turk or Vlah or Slav Macedonians.

My friend!

In Greece is the Orthodox church the one that write the history...

[soisodoeht]

What I want to be is exactly what I am! In modern Europe all people choose ethnicity and are not classified racially. Racialism has died when Hitler died. For example, Sarkozy, the french president, is hungarian with origins from jewish community in Thessalonike.I know Greeks who are not Arvanites and have a purely arvanitic surname (bithas is one of them) and ignore their origin and meaning.Also, my phrase is totally clear.If you don't understand it, I'm sorry but we have different mentalities.

[trendafil2005]

So you are saying that you can actually choose ethnicity? It is not given to you by your parents (aka your genes)?

That means, if I am albanian, and for some stupid reason (like a visa) I decide to say I am greek, that automatically makes me a greek?

Wow, that is the first time I ever hear smo say that!

[soisodoeht]

Honestly, I have no problem to continue this dialogue. Trying to persuade me to be sb I am not and don't wanna be is definitely your right. However, you should know that Albanian propaganda can succeed only if the formation of Arvanites' greek ethnic consiousness was promoted by violent measures. Unfortunately for the Albanian irredentist dream, that is not our case. And the next time you approach a person on that purpose, don't call him narrow-minded or uneducated.Read Goebel's biography first.

[trendafil2005]

How come there are no arvanitika schools in Greece, if you constitute such big numbers that you have sooo many representatives in the Prliament? I can guarantee you there are greek schools in Albania, and they have always been, in southern villages with monoritars. But of course, having never been in Albania, you only spit what your TV propaganda feeds you!

Ask some minoritars in Albania!They love us and we love them, there is absolutely no hatred btw us!

[soisodoeht]

Even if that theory is wrong, we may be not an old greek tribe, but we're definitely a new one! And that you cannot change it with your hilarious propaganda. If Arvanites were part of Albanians, they would definitely want to be annexed by Albania. We're not sheep, we're fighters.

[soisodoeht]

What you probably ignore is that what we call now Arvanites is a mixture of the original settlers from Epiros with the native greek-speaking population of Southern greeks. You see, it's been a long time since then (more than 600 years). Also, genetically speaking, more than 3 millions Tosk (not Gegh) "Albanians" are quite close to the DNA of 16 millions of Greeks, ranging from Corfu to the Black Sea. So, can you answer me now, who is who? Maybe 16 millions of Greeks we're Albanian offspring!lol!

[ARVANITIS13]

Take the traitors albanians Tsamides (and i am saiying alvanians cause they are also the greek tsamides) like the hole in WWII alvania. The italians dog albanese!!! Tulia prepa, herde me lule me!!!

[ARVANITIS13]

Arvanites are 100% greeeks. My ancesters fight you and slay you in greek revolution remember albanians? Yes we kill you cause you went with the turks (cause you are dogs). And believe me you like to much to kill arvanites then in 1821 cause we were for you just one more greek tribe. Dont lie here then. Dont show arvanites heroes of greek revolution. Some of them slay you cause you did the same at Ioannina city.

[xhelilaj]

Nice! Viva Albania! Viva Greece!

[NYPD44]

I am wondering what did Greece gave the world?

Oh i am sorry you are right, Greeks gave the world homosexuality. How proud are you of this.

Now let me tell you about Greeks!

There are 2 kind of Greeks:

1- The one that are born homosexual

2- The one that become homosexual

On which group do you belong ATHANKO

[athanko]

Hey NYPD44,

Since you know so much about homosexuality you could give the answer.I honestly don't know!

BTW,New York is a great city with a lot of Greeks!I'd advise you to visit Astoria!You'll definitely feel better!Have a nice day NYPD?LOl..

[ARVANITIS13]

NYPD44 let me tell you 2 kinds of albanians:

1)The traitors alvanians- the dog alvanians. Let the italy to pass and use this mega-alvanija country without a fight (chickens alvanesse)at WWII or being an american dog.

[ARVANITIS13]

2)The murderers-stealers-thiefs etc alvanians. let almost 500-600 alvanian prizoners to go to greece in the opening of our borders to you at 1991 cause you say that your jails were full (a true fact that was told by alvanians that live now in greece with their family and learn greek language and customs).

[albaniaboy2]

te lumte ajo goje ore djal qe kendon shqip..bravooooo

[DramaQueen9513]

une jam shkodran the e marr vesh ca thote.shume simpatik ky djali.eshte e vertete kenget nuk vdesin kurre.eshte shqipe e vjeter,dialekti i jugut.shume interresante,kto kenge duhen ruajtur,mundesisht ne shqiptimin origjinal jo te "perkthehen" ne shqipen e sotme.falem nders.

[BesiFerizaj]

Greket thone Arberoret-Arvanitet flasin gjuhen e vjeter qe ska te bej me shqipen kta jane te krisur.Po neve duhet shume te punojme e ta deshmojme se historia eshte manipulu ne dem tonin.DIJEN PERPARA E PUSHKEN MBRAPA E PLOT!

[gos999999]

SHqiperi Athine pa kufi 700 fshatra arvaniti do te bejme krushqi

[labmali]

Fals

[magjatpa]

Arvanitika will never die so long give still ARVANITI and the sons of the SOULIOTES and THEODORE BITHGURI( KOLOKOTRONI)!

ZITO I ARVANITES!

ESIS i POUSTES ke ZILIARES na mas kanete kana PIPA ja ti sas aresi!

[trendafil2005]

I don't understand what u just said in greek, but I agree with your english part of the message.Long live arvanitika (albanian language).Work hard to teach it to your children.Work hard to teach them the true heroes, Marko Bocari and his friends!Blood is thicker than water!

[Kryezoti]

arvanitika is the bumerang which is gone hit your f@cking azz dolofone, we warn you!

[Fatiijon]

te lumte

[usarmykfor]

seriously what nationality is this guy, and also, if he is greek, why can i(born and raised in the united states gheg albanian)understand everything he says?

[albomax]

This is really beautifull music. I like the song,keep it up brothers post some more Arvanitika . Are there any CD this is incredible, wow!!

[petropoulioti]

I will not reach the level to answer to peolpe that use this language I leave the rest of visitors to judge.

Petropoulioti New York/ Tzoumerka Epiros.

[petropoulioti]

OLYMPIA IS IN pELOPONISSOS FOR THOUSAND OF YEARS THIS IS BASIC HISTORY.

OPEN BOOK BEFORE YOU WRITE NONSES AND STOP CURSING LIKE nypd CAUSE THIS IS NOT CONVERSATION AND EXCHANGE IDEAS.

wHEN WE CURSE WE SAW OUR UPBRINGING ONLY AND LOCK OF FACTS AND EVIDENSE.

tHE ALBANIANS AND THE GREEK PEOPLE ARE THE

LOCAL PEOPLE OF THE BALKANS.

PELASGIANS WERE PROTO HELLENIC TRIBES AND THEY SPOKE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THEY ADOPTED THE HELLENIC LANGUAGE LATER.PELASGIANS AND EPIROTES SHARE PELASGIAN ROOTS.

[bylysi]

you worshiped our kings.epiri was never greek.that is why achile was hiding there because it was out of reach of greks.there is your history a poem.

epir is a new name by the way it was just south illyria.and pelasgians were all over illyria and greece.we were one people which is why so many of their names make sense in our language still.

hellens came later.

[athanko]

Dear friend bylysi,

in this world there are 2 kinds of people!Those who love Greece for all the things gave to the world and those who hate Greece for the same reason!It is obvious to which of the two you belong!You don't have to prove that everything is Albanian before the Greek etc.Get rid of your iferiority complex!!

[bylysi]

how about you go to hell.ok.

there are people who know who greeks are and there are those who believe your bullshit because frankly they could care less.ok

i will have always to prove what you steal from us especially when is my own blood motherfucker.

so get rid of yourself because the homo complexity is in your blood.

[athanko]

You answer is disappointing bylysi!You just proved my point!Your inferiority complex hits limit up every now and then!You sound very young to have so much hate for the Greeks or any other people for that matter!

Have a nice day!!

[aspetosi]

WHERE HAVE U READ THAT PELASGOI SPOKE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE--GIVE ME THE BOOK,and I'll go to check it out----while Herodotus says literaly- "..PELASGIANS USED TO SPEAK THE SAME BARBARIAN LANGUAGE,JUDGING BY THEM WHO STILL LIVE IN CRESTON..."-

The Histories--Herodotus ,Book I,57 ,page 20,paragraph 22.--At this page Herodotus says even that:"...Ionians are pelasgians not Helenes..."

THE NAME --IONIAN-- CAN BE EXPLAINED IN ALBANIAN LANGUAGE; WHILE IN GREEK DOES THE NAME --JONIAN --HAS ANY MEANING???

[petropoulioti]

I FORGOT OLYMPIC GAMES MATHEMATICS ASTRONOMY..

and the OLYMPIC FLAME they are taking from OLYMPIA not from anywhere else...

RESPECT TO THE GREEK CIVILIZATION THE ROOT OF THE WESTERN WORLD.

[aspetosi]

-Listen the last sudy of american genetists showed that greek genes are SUB-SAHARIANS,IN THE FAMILY OF ETIOPIANS,this is a scientific fact not bullshit-THese findings match to the famous SAYING OF Lord BYRON :

GREEK'S LIFE IS A STRUGGLE AGAINST THE TRUTH

Helenism is a CULTURAL EXPRESSION NOT A NATION,if greeks are a nation,u are an ETIOPIAN NATION(SCIENCE PROOF)

than GREEK PHILOSOPFERS ARE: MANDELA, JASER ARAFAT

greek generals are: MOBUTU,KADAFI,MUGABE

greek athlets r: MAKELELE,TYSON, etc

[NYPD44]

Where is OLIMPIA located you stupid fuck???

Olimpia used to be in Epirus that is proofed that is an Albanian land and populated from Albanian people!

Read the real history not the one that is wrote from the homosexual Orthodox churchmans!

[Margariti]

Yes, respet to them and not to "Pondios", "Fanariots" of Byzant, who eated and fucked for centuries in one house with the turks, not to slavs of Ellada and Vlachs of Ellada. The rest are only the glorious Arvanites, the real offsprings of them!

[petropoulioti]

I am not going to answer to people that they don't have a basic knowledge of Balkan History.

Let the Historic community judge their claims.

PARTHENON ACROPOLIS DODONI PELLA KNOSSOS SOCRATES ARISTOTELIS IPOKTRATIS....

HELLENIC CIVILAZATION when the rest were living on the TREES!

[bylysi]

your history is not history is manipulation of the truth to make yourself look better when we all know that all you had was fucking each other in the ass.

[petropoulioti]

Pelasgoi spoke ancient GREEK thats true gloup81.

[SpTironc]

The Pelasgians were a race compromised of these , Illyrians, Macedonians, Thracians, Phrygians. They spoke Pelasgian and not GREEKS. GREEKS were still in Anatolia.

[aspetosi]

don't be ridiculous --PELASGOI DID NOT SPEAK GREEK AT ALL--as Herodotus says,HERE HE SAYS THE TRUTH,BUT  the most ridiculous thing is when he says:--HELENES A SMALL TRIBE OF PELASGOI SPOKE GREEK????(THIS does not make sense at all)....and HELENES A SMALL TRIBE MULTIPLIED AND ABSORBED PELASGOIS--THIS IS A RIDICULOUS REASONING,an idiot only can accept this bullshit,BUT WE KNOW HE WAS THE FATHER OF LIES--

[mpampis210isback]

Dont waste your time you nothing common to pelasgians.

[ceceliano]

Shqiperia prej Pazarit te Ri deri ne Athine !!!

[aspetosi]

--je shume i sakte---SOON,VERY SOON,ALBANIA WILL BE FROM KOSOVA TO ATHENS,or better to SALAMINA --cuze in SALAMINA all the people over there SPEAK PERFECT ALBANIAN LANGUAGE

GREECE IS A GEORGAPFICAL EXPRESSION --THEY DON'T EXIST LIKE A NATION,THAT'S WHY THEY ARE AN ECCLESIASTICAL NATION

ARVANITES HAVE BEGAN TO ORGANISE THEMSELVES AROUND THEIR NEW LEADER

MORE DEMOCRATIC GREECE BECOMES MORE SPACE HAVE ARVANITES TO DEMAND THEIR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS,TO HAVE THEIR SCHOOLS AND THEIR POLITICAL PARTIES

[Margariti]

What are the arvanites "by blood": albanians or ellines? Then the second question: how do they feel? then the third question: why has it come that a lot of them feel like that?

[trendafil2005]

My question is :what language do they speak? And secondly, how does speaking albanian (arvanitika) for generations and generations (and your aunt living in Greece still speaks arvanitika at home) makes you a greek?!!

That's what a new acquaintance told me."We speak arvanitika at home and my family used to live in South Albania generations ago, but we are greek. We just speak everything in albanian but we are greek. How so??

[Spathar]

long live to arvanites

[NYPD44]

GEZUAR PAVARSINE E KOSOVES

Te gjithe Shqiptarëve!

Le të kërcejmë të gjithë bashkë

[bejleroti]

KOSOVA,KOSOVA,KOSOVA.

[NYPD44]

And the Arvanites say they are Greek but they say that their origin is Albanian!

Except those 15 years old Arvanites that dont know how to tie their oun pants!

The one that think about it they say that they are Albanian

Read Aristidh Kola

[NYPD44]

Just to let you know because i see that you learn the history from the churchmans!

Pelasgian time was before the Helenic time and ALL THE ILLYRIAN TRIBES WAS PELASGIANS ENCLUDING EPIRUS!

Pelasgians was before Greeks!

[faethongr]

albanian muslims are traitors licking the ass of their masters: turks, italians, americans: You have nth to do with Arvanites

[maIIakastrioti]

o p'tlumte goja

[NYPD44]

Can somebody help with some Arvanitika songs?

Thank you

[lazarat24]

po ky ka pjerdhur fare shume haj me duket si shume hashish kapnizi ore me gale kuja i plasi per grekun dhe turkun neve jemi race shqiptare dhe as per turkun dhe as per fuck grecee nuk e kemi shume problem

[kostasmetzelopoulos]

ti fuck greece re mouni???long life arvanitia and orthodox siptars =brothers fuck muslims

[balkancoolhead]

you can keep trying to plant divisions between albanians...

you will never succeed... in fact, you don't understand us at all... albanians are illyrians first, religious second... we do not suffer from the fever of that strange greek church/state nationalist propaganda umbrella organization that seeks to conflate and confuse all the cultures of the balkans into a single mousaka maskara entity.

fk that...

your bullshit is over... albanians/illyrians all religions... we are together...

[gloup81]

rofl if u are ilirian ... speak like one ...

may i speak like one ? , tsimpa mou tous orxeis

[balkancoolhead]

do you really think that after thousands of years of fighting off assimilation and maintaining the ancient language of pelasgia, the ancient voice that speaks through our music and language will be absorbed by a fragile feta-cheese republic?

[trendafil2005]

You guys are so brainwashed that you have no idea that there are peoples in the world where ethnicity is above religion.

To an albanian it makes absolutely no difference whether their fellow albanian is muslim or christian!They marry between them, and all albanians are mixture in fmilies when it comes to religion.You know why?B/C no one ever goes to church or mosque.They believe in science that they learn in school!And nobody donates to churches, they are not stupid like that to be ripped off!