I'm not angry, nor was I being defeated. The point about children was a valid one, and logical...it was an analogy. But, apparently, you can't see past the fact that I mentioned children. It's interesting that you're talking about blanket generalizations, yet use phrases such as "usual route liberals take", "Maybe conservatives work harder therefore earn more, maybe liberals do because they whine and bitch and claim some form of discrimination" (ha!) You really can't see your own hypocrisy?
Bob, it's the white Race that advocates all the freedoms you so love. Remove the white race from the equation, and all the freedoms will be voted, or tyrannyed away.
@IceAgeColumbus thats funny, you just proved yourself a racist.Do the country a favor, swallow a bullet. Your the type pf person who is the problem in this country. Willing to bet your a welfare rat.
Bob, you are not Thomas Paine! Thomas Paine was the founder of the American liberal movement. He was a liberal, Bob! Have you read anything at all what Paine actually involved? He didn't believe in the Christian church, he believed in greater governmental involvement in the economic sector. I mean, if you are going to dress up as a Founder, do one that didn't disbelieve everything you have said.
Well, one thing's for sure Pal, you've NEVER read Thomas Paine! I can tell that much about you...because if you had, you would know he thinking was cemented in CONSERVATIVE principles and Judeo-Christian beliefs - the priniciples of thos religions, not the religious doctrine themselves.
I'm glad you exposed yourself as liberal-socialist-communist.
And don't waste your time sending me a private comment - I delete without reading them. Have the gutts to respond like I have.
Its so weird....I thought that thomas paine invented the concept of a minimum wage, and promoted progressive taxes for aide to the poor. But what do I know...I just actually read his words instead of listening to shameless mockeries.
no, our rights aren't being taken away from us every day. You're listening to people every day who are telling you your rights are being taken away... only they can't name anything specific. Where were all of you when habeus corpus was suspended and the fourth amendment was balled up and thrown away? That was in the name of patriotism so its ok? This whole teabag thing is a big joke, these people don't care about the constitution, they just can't handle having lost an election.
I thought your showed some smart's but your as stupid as a box of rock's.I am not going to have a battle of wit's with some who is unarmed. Your just the type of person the government love's. They will feed you dog food and tell you it's stake and your stupid enough to believe them.I am a hostage in my own country the good old USA .see next post
Wow, thats a pretty big post to contain no actual refutation of what I said. How many ad hominums and unsubstantiated insults can you fit into the next one? You aren't losing any freedoms, (other than the ones you already lost and didn't care about) and no one is keeping you hostage.
I can not get a pass port to leave this country because of a personal debt. so now tell I am free to leave.and they took my right away for the same debt.can't vote can't own a gun.
Eh Hem.. ok lets talk specifics ... there was a Bill that passed under the (Bush) administration known as the "Patriot Act" which essentially gives law enforcement agencies complete license to ignore the Constitution and deny Citizens due process with NO probable cause.
Then there's the whole "voucher" debacle that ignores separation of Church and State .. and oh lets not forget the attempt to take away the citizens right to bare arms .. God forbid the Citizens should call out their elected officials who refuse to step down and have to be forcibly removed .. THE DOI (Declaration of Independence) essentially gives the Citizens the right to dismantle the Goverment if it refuses to do the will of the people. Need any more specifics ?
Ehh... If they need it I suppose, but I do think that they still should be registered, and should not necessarily benefit from tax funded programs unless they are willing to pay into those programs when they are economically stable.
@joshdesk keep living in your sugar coated world and keep living the tax enforced drones dream. If they arent legal citizens they are breaking the law plain and simple. try doin that in their country and see what happens
Hahah..."sugar coated world"? Hardly. I'm a realist. Idealism is placing your faith in a supposedly "benevolent" creator and believing the absurd idea of "trickle-down economics". I understand the concept of laws, but sometimes laws are stupid. Laws and the Constitution are not static. It matters not if I try it in their country or not. That has no bearing on here.
@joshdesk I beg to differ. The constitution and the bill of rights ARE static. The COTUS is the law of the land. It was never to be ammended or changed, yet they did. They tossed the articles of confederacy out the window 13 years after they were signed and started tearing apart the constitution. So you have no problem with someone here illegal and not paying into the social programs they steal from while the rest of us lose out? Your a bigger idiot than i thought.
And who brought religion into this? Noone, except you. Typical liberal, cant win a fight of facts so you have to bring everything else into the mix to try and muddy the waters and make the battlefield unclear and confusing, didint work this time though. One thing i agree with, yes, some laws are stupid, but they are the law regardless. want it changed, contact your representatives and go about t that route
@Keystonepatriot Typical fool, are so convinced that they are "correct", they have to make vast generalizations (i.e. "typical liberal"). You were the one who began with the name-calling. By the way, it's "you're" a bigger idiot, not "your" a bigger idiot).
Really, the Constitution is static? I must have been breaking the law when I was drinking a beer earlier today then, since the 21st amendment obviously is still valid. And, apparently, women in the 1700's could vote, right?
@joshdesk Like, when talking about all the people whining about immigrants "not paying into the system"...what about your fucking kids? Am I supposed to be overjoyed that my taxes have to go for their schooling and such, just because they happen to be "American"?
@joshdesk I pay my taxes jack off. My txes pay for you're dumb ass as well. The fact that you have to bring someones children into the mix also proves you are of such low caliber that you have to resort to that level, you are a pathetic individual who cant win a fight with intelligence, only low ball nut hitting tactics, hell has a place for people like you. deuche bag
@Keystonepatriot Hahahhaha! Thank you for confirming I've won this debate! "You're" childish, whiny, ad hominem attacks only prove that. I'm not attacking people's children, just as you aren't actually attacking Mexican immigrants (I would hope). I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy, which, apparently, you have great trouble understanding. The irony of you talking about winning a fight with intelligence is absolutely hilarious.
I love the (usually Conservative) assumption that they are the only ones who pay taxes. Apparently, since I'm a Liberal, I have no job. Apparently, you've never seen the statistics on average salary differences between Conservatives and Liberals. Newsflash: I pay taxes too, for you and your children (if you have them). Again, I repeat, I was not making fun of people's children. Don't be such a sensitive nancy. P.S.: Another spelling lesson: "douchbag", not "deuche bag".
@joshdesk spend less time correcting peoples spelling errors and more with facts. I never said that because I'm a conservative that I'm the only one to pay taxes, get your facts straight.And I'm not being sensitive, I just find that it is, again, a low ball nut hitting tactic to bring children into the debate. Which is of course the usual route liberals take when they are being defeated, start hitting below the waist because their getting angry.
And who cares what the salary difference is. Maybe conservatives work harder therefore earn more, maybe liberals do because they whine and bitch and claim some form of discrimination, either way, who cares. As a tax paying citizen, I do not want my taxes being paid to some illegal, just so they can continue to screw our system. Maybe, if they spent the tax money where it was supposed to go, our infrastructure would be better and maybe have more jobs for our own people.
I brought religion into the mix because it's a common point of hypocrisy among people who share your belief. I didn't assume that you're religious, maybe you are and maybe you aren't. As for the immigration thing, you should watch Doug Stanhope's YouTube video "Doug Stanhope on nationalism". He's a comedian, but he brings up some good points.
@joshdesk And just who is it that shares my belief? Do you know me? do you know my life? Do you know my beliefs? No, again, another tactic used by the liberal drones to try and blanket statement everyone who doesn't agree with them or submit to their way of thinking. I will admit, debating you has been fun, but the fact remains you stoop to a rather childish level and I refuse to debate with anyone who has to revert to such tactics to try and win anything.
@3oHOGo Im sorry, do you have an actual argument? The guy makes good points and bad points. My problem is that he is not speaking from his own authority, but usurping the credibility of an american hero.
then I am sorry I thought you were just dumping on him. But the fact is this country needs some hero's. I don't see the bad points you see please point them out. From what I see hi is spot on.
Youi all know that the slavernment is shaking in their boots about this guy they just dont want to show it. how ever its been what around 2 years and no change. we need to get our asses in gear.
heres a good idea how about we all stop paying all taxes on everything. since they dont do what we want with it anyway we can just cut off there funds and put them in a choke hold. that will get them to listen
all we have to do is go on with our daily lives just not pay taxes. they'll get the idea!
I don't know if we can take it back any more... there are too many "losers" that value security rather than liberty. We may need to move to Texas and the center of our land and form a new USA and leave the coasts and Middle America to their U.S.S. of A.
obama is now wanting Americans to report on each other. Too the greatest generation i ask who does that sound like are they going to start teaching our children to report us for exerciseing free speech
I've been seeing the changes over the past 30 years, since becoming concious of the world around me. I'm digusted with every politician, the lies, back door deals against Americans and the wholesale of the US to the rest of the world. We are lost, it requires a revolution of the most dreadful measure. Americans will spill American blood in the end, I am ready.
This is similar to the speech he gave today in New Richmond, OH. Great speaker, and truly the spokesperson of the Tea Party/9-12/We Surround Them/American Patriot movement!
july 4th washington dc millions of tea party people. very important one as well! copy and spread! ESPECIALLY IF YOU CANT GO HELP OTHERS KNOW ABOUT THIS! stop the corruption and the BS!!
KEEP IT PEACEFUL TO GAIN SUPPORT! BRING THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS!
I would love to see the LIBERTY PARTY rather than be associated with most so-called independents. How about it? The Republicans have lost their balls and the Democrats have totally become the party of "entitlements". We need a NEW and TRUE party for Americans that value LIBERTY with values... that is why I don't like the Libertarians.... they don't believe in values along with Liberty (ie legalize drugs, etc.).
I'm not angry, nor was I being defeated. The point about children was a valid one, and logical...it was an analogy. But, apparently, you can't see past the fact that I mentioned children. It's interesting that you're talking about blanket generalizations, yet use phrases such as "usual route liberals take", "Maybe conservatives work harder therefore earn more, maybe liberals do because they whine and bitch and claim some form of discrimination" (ha!) You really can't see your own hypocrisy?
joshdesk 2 months ago
Bob, it's the white Race that advocates all the freedoms you so love. Remove the white race from the equation, and all the freedoms will be voted, or tyrannyed away.
Colorblind ends in blind. Wake up.
IceAgeColumbus 11 months ago
@IceAgeColumbus thats funny, you just proved yourself a racist.Do the country a favor, swallow a bullet. Your the type pf person who is the problem in this country. Willing to bet your a welfare rat.
Keystonepatriot 2 months ago
@Keystonepatriot
*You're.
joshdesk 2 months ago
Obama is GOD and all of your racist republican white crackers should worship him!
DartmouthAlum96 1 year ago
GO Ron ERNEST Paul!!!!!!!!
InLiberty . com supports you!!!!
WWFDinLiberty 1 year ago
SPEAK TRUTH TO THE FRAUDULENT CORRUPT POWER AND DESTROY THEM IN NOVEMBER.
1c2a3t4 1 year ago
This guy gives me Chills!Why do we have someone like obama or even bush as president when we real talent like this is available?
TheNeoSwoosh 1 year ago
Bob, you are not Thomas Paine! Thomas Paine was the founder of the American liberal movement. He was a liberal, Bob! Have you read anything at all what Paine actually involved? He didn't believe in the Christian church, he believed in greater governmental involvement in the economic sector. I mean, if you are going to dress up as a Founder, do one that didn't disbelieve everything you have said.
jamht1972 2 years ago
@jamht1972
Well, one thing's for sure Pal, you've NEVER read Thomas Paine! I can tell that much about you...because if you had, you would know he thinking was cemented in CONSERVATIVE principles and Judeo-Christian beliefs - the priniciples of thos religions, not the religious doctrine themselves.
I'm glad you exposed yourself as liberal-socialist-communist.
And don't waste your time sending me a private comment - I delete without reading them. Have the gutts to respond like I have.
guyfroml 1 year ago 3
Its so weird....I thought that thomas paine invented the concept of a minimum wage, and promoted progressive taxes for aide to the poor. But what do I know...I just actually read his words instead of listening to shameless mockeries.
hovertree1 2 years ago
Well that's is what I think his want's people to do. Because if you don't do some thing off the wall you won't get people's to listen.
I am more than twice your age and the people of this country are a sleep at the wheel. Our right's are being taking away from us every day.
3oHOGo 2 years ago 3
no, our rights aren't being taken away from us every day. You're listening to people every day who are telling you your rights are being taken away... only they can't name anything specific. Where were all of you when habeus corpus was suspended and the fourth amendment was balled up and thrown away? That was in the name of patriotism so its ok? This whole teabag thing is a big joke, these people don't care about the constitution, they just can't handle having lost an election.
hovertree1 2 years ago
I thought your showed some smart's but your as stupid as a box of rock's.I am not going to have a battle of wit's with some who is unarmed. Your just the type of person the government love's. They will feed you dog food and tell you it's stake and your stupid enough to believe them.I am a hostage in my own country the good old USA .see next post
3oHOGo 2 years ago
Wow, thats a pretty big post to contain no actual refutation of what I said. How many ad hominums and unsubstantiated insults can you fit into the next one? You aren't losing any freedoms, (other than the ones you already lost and didn't care about) and no one is keeping you hostage.
hovertree1 2 years ago
I can not get a pass port to leave this country because of a personal debt. so now tell I am free to leave.and they took my right away for the same debt.can't vote can't own a gun.
3oHOGo 2 years ago
Eh Hem.. ok lets talk specifics ... there was a Bill that passed under the (Bush) administration known as the "Patriot Act" which essentially gives law enforcement agencies complete license to ignore the Constitution and deny Citizens due process with NO probable cause.
DocHymes 2 years ago
Then there's the whole "voucher" debacle that ignores separation of Church and State .. and oh lets not forget the attempt to take away the citizens right to bare arms .. God forbid the Citizens should call out their elected officials who refuse to step down and have to be forcibly removed .. THE DOI (Declaration of Independence) essentially gives the Citizens the right to dismantle the Goverment if it refuses to do the will of the people. Need any more specifics ?
Court
DocHymes 2 years ago
Please read, that's right I said READ the "Patriot Act" then get back to us about our Rights not being taken away. Just a friendly suggestion.
jaxauph 2 years ago
You couldn't be more on the money. Great post!
joshdesk 2 years ago 2
Thomas Paine also wrote Common Sense, ever read that?
TwiztedAnimator 2 years ago
Okay fine, but I'm pretty sure that he would preffer that we gave those things to unfortunate Americans, not unfortunate non-nationals.
KingPiccolOwned 2 years ago
People are peopleeeeeee
joshdesk 2 years ago
I don't get what you mean by thiiiiiiiisssss.
KingPiccolOwned 2 years ago
I mean that people are people. If someone is living and working in America, I'm not too concerned with citizenship.
joshdesk 2 years ago
Ehh... If they need it I suppose, but I do think that they still should be registered, and should not necessarily benefit from tax funded programs unless they are willing to pay into those programs when they are economically stable.
KingPiccolOwned 2 years ago
@joshdesk keep living in your sugar coated world and keep living the tax enforced drones dream. If they arent legal citizens they are breaking the law plain and simple. try doin that in their country and see what happens
Keystonepatriot 2 months ago
@Keystonepatriot
Hahah..."sugar coated world"? Hardly. I'm a realist. Idealism is placing your faith in a supposedly "benevolent" creator and believing the absurd idea of "trickle-down economics". I understand the concept of laws, but sometimes laws are stupid. Laws and the Constitution are not static. It matters not if I try it in their country or not. That has no bearing on here.
joshdesk 2 months ago
@joshdesk I beg to differ. The constitution and the bill of rights ARE static. The COTUS is the law of the land. It was never to be ammended or changed, yet they did. They tossed the articles of confederacy out the window 13 years after they were signed and started tearing apart the constitution. So you have no problem with someone here illegal and not paying into the social programs they steal from while the rest of us lose out? Your a bigger idiot than i thought.
Keystonepatriot 2 months ago
And who brought religion into this? Noone, except you. Typical liberal, cant win a fight of facts so you have to bring everything else into the mix to try and muddy the waters and make the battlefield unclear and confusing, didint work this time though. One thing i agree with, yes, some laws are stupid, but they are the law regardless. want it changed, contact your representatives and go about t that route
Keystonepatriot 2 months ago
@Keystonepatriot Typical fool, are so convinced that they are "correct", they have to make vast generalizations (i.e. "typical liberal"). You were the one who began with the name-calling. By the way, it's "you're" a bigger idiot, not "your" a bigger idiot).
joshdesk 2 months ago
@Keystonepatriot
Really, the Constitution is static? I must have been breaking the law when I was drinking a beer earlier today then, since the 21st amendment obviously is still valid. And, apparently, women in the 1700's could vote, right?
joshdesk 2 months ago
@joshdesk Like, when talking about all the people whining about immigrants "not paying into the system"...what about your fucking kids? Am I supposed to be overjoyed that my taxes have to go for their schooling and such, just because they happen to be "American"?
joshdesk 2 months ago
@joshdesk I pay my taxes jack off. My txes pay for you're dumb ass as well. The fact that you have to bring someones children into the mix also proves you are of such low caliber that you have to resort to that level, you are a pathetic individual who cant win a fight with intelligence, only low ball nut hitting tactics, hell has a place for people like you. deuche bag
Keystonepatriot 2 months ago
@Keystonepatriot Hahahhaha! Thank you for confirming I've won this debate! "You're" childish, whiny, ad hominem attacks only prove that. I'm not attacking people's children, just as you aren't actually attacking Mexican immigrants (I would hope). I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy, which, apparently, you have great trouble understanding. The irony of you talking about winning a fight with intelligence is absolutely hilarious.
joshdesk 2 months ago
@Keystonepatriot
I love the (usually Conservative) assumption that they are the only ones who pay taxes. Apparently, since I'm a Liberal, I have no job. Apparently, you've never seen the statistics on average salary differences between Conservatives and Liberals. Newsflash: I pay taxes too, for you and your children (if you have them). Again, I repeat, I was not making fun of people's children. Don't be such a sensitive nancy. P.S.: Another spelling lesson: "douchbag", not "deuche bag".
joshdesk 2 months ago
@joshdesk spend less time correcting peoples spelling errors and more with facts. I never said that because I'm a conservative that I'm the only one to pay taxes, get your facts straight.And I'm not being sensitive, I just find that it is, again, a low ball nut hitting tactic to bring children into the debate. Which is of course the usual route liberals take when they are being defeated, start hitting below the waist because their getting angry.
Keystonepatriot 2 months ago
And who cares what the salary difference is. Maybe conservatives work harder therefore earn more, maybe liberals do because they whine and bitch and claim some form of discrimination, either way, who cares. As a tax paying citizen, I do not want my taxes being paid to some illegal, just so they can continue to screw our system. Maybe, if they spent the tax money where it was supposed to go, our infrastructure would be better and maybe have more jobs for our own people.
Keystonepatriot 2 months ago
@Keystonepatriot
I brought religion into the mix because it's a common point of hypocrisy among people who share your belief. I didn't assume that you're religious, maybe you are and maybe you aren't. As for the immigration thing, you should watch Doug Stanhope's YouTube video "Doug Stanhope on nationalism". He's a comedian, but he brings up some good points.
joshdesk 2 months ago
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Keystonepatriot 2 months ago
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@joshdesk And just who is it that shares my belief? Do you know me? do you know my life? Do you know my beliefs? No, again, another tactic used by the liberal drones to try and blanket statement everyone who doesn't agree with them or submit to their way of thinking. I will admit, debating you has been fun, but the fact remains you stoop to a rather childish level and I refuse to debate with anyone who has to revert to such tactics to try and win anything.
Keystonepatriot 2 months ago
scumbag impersonates thomas paine so he can put words in the mouth of a founding father. Despicable.
hovertree1 2 years ago
figures some 18 years old who thinks they knows what they are talking about
3oHOGo 2 years ago
@3oHOGo Im sorry, do you have an actual argument? The guy makes good points and bad points. My problem is that he is not speaking from his own authority, but usurping the credibility of an american hero.
hovertree1 2 years ago
then I am sorry I thought you were just dumping on him. But the fact is this country needs some hero's. I don't see the bad points you see please point them out. From what I see hi is spot on.
3oHOGo 2 years ago
Yeah okay I can see that I suppose, but that doesn't exaclty invalidate everyting he says.
KingPiccolOwned 2 years ago
Go Bob!!!!!!!!
vigilannie2 2 years ago 2
Luminari . masters of the moon
flyingguitar85 2 years ago
are you running for prez bob
randy clik on my name
beingther 2 years ago
Bob Im with you!!!
liquiddream05 2 years ago 4
if anyone agrees with Bob Basso please reply
TheScreamingphoenix 2 years ago 3
I Do!!!
TheEspndude 2 years ago
I agree. and thefabulousbugman sounds alot like something out of "1984" doesn't it?
Bighieg 2 years ago
@TheScreamingphoenix I agree with Bob Basso! "I'm Mad As Hell, and I'm Taking My Country Back!!!" >:(
MyFreedomChannel 2 years ago 2
Youi all know that the slavernment is shaking in their boots about this guy they just dont want to show it. how ever its been what around 2 years and no change. we need to get our asses in gear.
heres a good idea how about we all stop paying all taxes on everything. since they dont do what we want with it anyway we can just cut off there funds and put them in a choke hold. that will get them to listen
all we have to do is go on with our daily lives just not pay taxes. they'll get the idea!
TheScreamingphoenix 2 years ago
I don't know if we can take it back any more... there are too many "losers" that value security rather than liberty. We may need to move to Texas and the center of our land and form a new USA and leave the coasts and Middle America to their U.S.S. of A.
MemoryTechnologies 2 years ago
obama is now wanting Americans to report on each other. Too the greatest generation i ask who does that sound like are they going to start teaching our children to report us for exerciseing free speech
thefabulousbugman 2 years ago 5
BOB BASSO FOR PRESIDENT!!
capone710 2 years ago 22
I've been seeing the changes over the past 30 years, since becoming concious of the world around me. I'm digusted with every politician, the lies, back door deals against Americans and the wholesale of the US to the rest of the world. We are lost, it requires a revolution of the most dreadful measure. Americans will spill American blood in the end, I am ready.
RISE UP BEAR YOUR ARMS and lets take it back!
danjo1203 2 years ago 13
Bob Basso For President!
altnutt 2 years ago 15
This is similar to the speech he gave today in New Richmond, OH. Great speaker, and truly the spokesperson of the Tea Party/9-12/We Surround Them/American Patriot movement!
danekjovax 2 years ago 9
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what a bitter old man.
iacherman 2 years ago
Bob Bossa Leader and Nominee for the Independent Party...
Nhatural 2 years ago 24
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july 4th washington dc millions of tea party people. very important one as well! copy and spread! ESPECIALLY IF YOU CANT GO HELP OTHERS KNOW ABOUT THIS! stop the corruption and the BS!!
KEEP IT PEACEFUL TO GAIN SUPPORT! BRING THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS!
boxa888 2 years ago 3
I would love to see the LIBERTY PARTY rather than be associated with most so-called independents. How about it? The Republicans have lost their balls and the Democrats have totally become the party of "entitlements". We need a NEW and TRUE party for Americans that value LIBERTY with values... that is why I don't like the Libertarians.... they don't believe in values along with Liberty (ie legalize drugs, etc.).
MemoryTechnologies 2 years ago