@JOOODYJOOODY Ah, ok. I think I was using my webcam mic, which had a low volume, then I turned up the volume with Windows Movie Maker -- probably a bit too much. Sorry about that. Thanks for the feedback. ^_^
I've worked with an amazing group of trees for several years and taught a workshop called: TreePlay: The Heart of the Forest. Each tree has a unique personality and cosmic function and gifts to offer. We can indeed learn to perceive their messages. Let's not assume that if our ears can't hear, that there is nothing spoken. Attunement is the next language of communication — with people, animals, plants, and planets. The trees hold keys for the survival and thriving of the earth.
There's a wonderful short story by Usula K. LeGuin, called, "The Direction of the Road." Told from the point of view of a giant Oak tree. It "rises up" as people approach it. It watches us go from horse drawn carriages to cars racing by it on freeways.
i don't know about the "art of plants" but as far as communication, i believe that the plants communicate to us all the time... the state of its health, its freshness, its taste -- flowers in springtime makes us feel gay -- i love walking in the forest and feeling the energy of the trees communing with thousands of year old trees -- definitely very strong communication there... always return refreshed...... :)
There's a wonderful short story by Usula K. LeGuin, called, "The Direction of the Road." Told from the point of view of a giant Oak tree. It "rises up" as people approach it. It watches us go from horse drawn carraiges to cars racing by it on freeways. Oh, I recommended it below, lol.
Thanks! In that same collection, LeGuin has a story, "The Direction of the Road," told from the point of view of an old oak tree. To the tree, it "rises up and looms" as people apporach it. It sees the early quiet days, and then a huge highway is built next to it. It's hard to explain, but it puts your mind into this really different view, how the tree perceives time and people.
1) I think plants communicate by having colourful flowers to show insects to pollinate them, some plants trick insects to eat them. this may seem passive, but then one has to consider how much choice animals and humans have to attract mates or to protect themselves. Sure we have different social or societal arrangements, but the inner insticts are pretty involuntary.
2)plants have yellow flowers, peacocks have tails, we humans have...... etc
I think all this is communication, though not necessarily language.
What is language? I think that it isn't communication, but its a form of communication. for language is also a tool for understanding the world, such as with definitions of things, words we have for our emotions in order to understand what we're feeling.
Re 3: Yes! that's the Sapir-Whorf theory. Can you think of something that doesn't have a word for it? Does the word, "Love" lose its meaning if it's overused in advertising to sell everything? Or like Newspeak in "1984", if you get rid of the word "Freedom" does it become inconceivable? My word!
I think words for emotions is arbitrary and may even produce emotions which wouldn't be there without the descriptions of emotions. "What is love?" is a common question. The answers all make up ideas about how we should feel in a sense rather than describing what we sense. Would you agree?
Cat art as art? as language? Plant's sharing chemicals and refracting photons as communication? as language? Language distilled to Communication, or generalized to Communication, is problematic. 'cause current vernacular use of word Language "He speaks the spanish language." refers to a communication with a grammar. Where "The language of the winds" 'language' is grammar non-dependent. NICE VID!
Yes, I liked the way this pseudo-academic paper asked, What is Communication? and What is Art? I do think there is an "Art" to the activites of Nature. Whether it is Communication, I dunno, that's the more SciFi speculative idea.
I REALLY like your "language of the winds 'language' is grammar non-dependent." !!
So we could accuse Venus Fly trap of false representation? I always like when scientists are trying to proove the evidence of intelligence in everything.Scientific poetry.Gotta go, a banana is asking for it's ultimate sacrifice.Great video as usual!
I actually liked this as a rebuttal to the Science that takes the poetry out of nature. But it does also work as a satire of finding "intelligence in everything" -- even YouTube, ha!
Alan Watts talked about insects admiring the light glistening off each other's wings. ^_^
In "Little Shop of Horrors," Audrey the plant yells, "FEEEEED ME, I'M HUUNGRY...!"
the ambient room noise is distracting....... is there some way to minimize it ? ...your speech is fine .... thank you for sharing your ideas
JOOODYJOOODY 3 weeks ago
@JOOODYJOOODY Ah, ok. I think I was using my webcam mic, which had a low volume, then I turned up the volume with Windows Movie Maker -- probably a bit too much. Sorry about that. Thanks for the feedback. ^_^
StevenErnest 3 weeks ago
what is all that awful noise is another question
JOOODYJOOODY 3 weeks ago
@JOOODYJOOODY Huh? Please explicate.
StevenErnest 3 weeks ago
I've worked with an amazing group of trees for several years and taught a workshop called: TreePlay: The Heart of the Forest. Each tree has a unique personality and cosmic function and gifts to offer. We can indeed learn to perceive their messages. Let's not assume that if our ears can't hear, that there is nothing spoken. Attunement is the next language of communication — with people, animals, plants, and planets. The trees hold keys for the survival and thriving of the earth.
elisalight 1 year ago
@elisalight Hmm, that's interesting.
There's a wonderful short story by Usula K. LeGuin, called, "The Direction of the Road." Told from the point of view of a giant Oak tree. It "rises up" as people approach it. It watches us go from horse drawn carriages to cars racing by it on freeways.
Thanks for watching and commenting! ^_^
StevenErnest 1 year ago
@StevenErnest
I've ordered it.
elisalight 1 year ago
i don't know about the "art of plants" but as far as communication, i believe that the plants communicate to us all the time... the state of its health, its freshness, its taste -- flowers in springtime makes us feel gay -- i love walking in the forest and feeling the energy of the trees communing with thousands of year old trees -- definitely very strong communication there... always return refreshed...... :)
earthypig 2 years ago
There's a wonderful short story by Usula K. LeGuin, called, "The Direction of the Road." Told from the point of view of a giant Oak tree. It "rises up" as people approach it. It watches us go from horse drawn carraiges to cars racing by it on freeways. Oh, I recommended it below, lol.
Thanks for watching and commenting! ^_^
StevenErnest 2 years ago
This was really interesting! Are we bounded by language or the language bounded by us.
MathildaBrown 3 years ago
Thanks! In that same collection, LeGuin has a story, "The Direction of the Road," told from the point of view of an old oak tree. To the tree, it "rises up and looms" as people apporach it. It sees the early quiet days, and then a huge highway is built next to it. It's hard to explain, but it puts your mind into this really different view, how the tree perceives time and people.
StevenErnest 3 years ago
languages are just like dishes we serve our thoughts in it, what ever we think, feel, we have to use language to give it to some one,
1billionvolt 4 years ago
1) I think plants communicate by having colourful flowers to show insects to pollinate them, some plants trick insects to eat them. this may seem passive, but then one has to consider how much choice animals and humans have to attract mates or to protect themselves. Sure we have different social or societal arrangements, but the inner insticts are pretty involuntary.
marialiveshere 4 years ago
2)plants have yellow flowers, peacocks have tails, we humans have...... etc
I think all this is communication, though not necessarily language.
What is language? I think that it isn't communication, but its a form of communication. for language is also a tool for understanding the world, such as with definitions of things, words we have for our emotions in order to understand what we're feeling.
marialiveshere 4 years ago
3) you're right about us only beginning to understand it.
one question that interests me was posed by Edward Satir (old research)" does language effect thought?"
marialiveshere 4 years ago
Re 3: Yes! that's the Sapir-Whorf theory. Can you think of something that doesn't have a word for it? Does the word, "Love" lose its meaning if it's overused in advertising to sell everything? Or like Newspeak in "1984", if you get rid of the word "Freedom" does it become inconceivable? My word!
StevenErnest 4 years ago
nice ending : my word!
lol
I don't know much about language though.
marialiveshere 4 years ago
I think words for emotions is arbitrary and may even produce emotions which wouldn't be there without the descriptions of emotions. "What is love?" is a common question. The answers all make up ideas about how we should feel in a sense rather than describing what we sense. Would you agree?
Censeo 4 years ago
wow, well said Censeo
marialiveshere 4 years ago
Wow, what a lovely video steven!!!
You have this wonderful way of making everything so easy to understand. I love your videos!
--Shan
thinkmorepink 4 years ago
Aw, thanks, Shan. :) I appreciate your feedback!
StevenErnest 4 years ago
i agree with the author, we need to unlearn old axioms and see things anew, we need to stop applying one metaphor to understand all things.
bijosn 4 years ago
Bijson, very good point! I agree. Thanks.
StevenErnest 4 years ago
I think people generalize too much with any theory. Communication is part science part art which makes it difficult to define, especially in humans.
marialiveshere 4 years ago
Like everything vibrates dude!
ThatsBSman 4 years ago
ThatsBSman, Oh, yeah, man... *inhales deeply* ...like people's auras, soul's, cell phones, and Blackberry's. o_O
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Cat art as art? as language? Plant's sharing chemicals and refracting photons as communication? as language? Language distilled to Communication, or generalized to Communication, is problematic. 'cause current vernacular use of word Language "He speaks the spanish language." refers to a communication with a grammar. Where "The language of the winds" 'language' is grammar non-dependent. NICE VID!
BedtimeWithALunatic 4 years ago
BedtimeWithAL, thanks! :)
Yes, I liked the way this pseudo-academic paper asked, What is Communication? and What is Art? I do think there is an "Art" to the activites of Nature. Whether it is Communication, I dunno, that's the more SciFi speculative idea.
I REALLY like your "language of the winds 'language' is grammar non-dependent." !!
StevenErnest 4 years ago
So we could accuse Venus Fly trap of false representation? I always like when scientists are trying to proove the evidence of intelligence in everything.Scientific poetry.Gotta go, a banana is asking for it's ultimate sacrifice.Great video as usual!
Boucrate 4 years ago
Hey, Boucrate, thanks! ;)
I actually liked this as a rebuttal to the Science that takes the poetry out of nature. But it does also work as a satire of finding "intelligence in everything" -- even YouTube, ha!
Alan Watts talked about insects admiring the light glistening off each other's wings. ^_^
In "Little Shop of Horrors," Audrey the plant yells, "FEEEEED ME, I'M HUUNGRY...!"
StevenErnest 4 years ago
Hmmmm... this provides an analogy I needed to criticize Chomsky. Thank you, Steven.
azrienoch 4 years ago
Cool, Az, you're welcome!
I'm intrigued to see what seed may have been planted to assist your epic battle. Az versus Chomsky!
StevenErnest 4 years ago
interesting - thanx for the outlook!
bubonicnate 4 years ago
Thanks, Nate! Those evil bed bugs are composing epic poetry, like the Norse Eddas, chronicling their recent battle with you. ^_^
StevenErnest 4 years ago