HHO Over Unity again "analog meters" Pt 1

[Me102288]

@hhoforvolts I'm not quite fluint with electricty, but I've managed an almost 95% system through feeding the hho to a small weed eater engine, that drives a permanent magnet altenator (3 phase) into a car battery. I have no idea where I'm loosing the 5% I'm thinking I have to increase the output of the altenator.  as for the 316L its the most corrosive resistant of all the types of stainless, I would guess running over a certain voltage wears them down more? heh I'm try'in for just unity first

[hhoforvolts]

@Me102288 For conversion to drive the cell, you will loose about 4 to 5 %. In this mode it is a very efficient 'Buck" converter. The overunity applies to the power developed in the rod which I hope someone will be able to extract. If you build this circuit, there is no reason not to use 304 S.S.

Richard

[Me102288]

@hhoforvolts aha, you have a charged rod?is it magnetized? if so wrap a magnet wire coil around it, should act as an induction coil shouldn't it? smaller gauge magnet wire = more amps, larger = more volts. wow if it could only be that simple :-p please say that bar has electromagnetic flux :-)

[hhoforvolts]

@Me102288 Yes the rod is magnetic but smaller gauge wire has higher resistance so it can't pass a high current. I have done this and it acts just like it should as a transformer, but no over unity. Yes the rod has magnetic flux.

Richard

[Me102288]

@hhoforvolts whoops, forgot, there's no conversion, I use only standard carbs, no elect. fuel injection crap, computers never belonged in land based vehicles.. buggers could program something to fail so you'd have to replace an $800 "control module" lol, sorry off track. with permanent magnet altenators you'll find you can accomplish 100 amps while the hho generator only takes 10 to work so I don't see where the loss is, pma's are almost frictionless, non cogging too.

[hhoforvolts]

@Me102288 I think your missing the point of the whole circuit. It doesn't matter what kind of altenator your using, if you are running a cell at 12volts drawing 15 amps, that's 180 watts, it produces no more HHO than a cell running at 2.5 volts 15 amps. 37.5 watts, plus you have a lot more problems running at 12volts.

Richard

[Me102288]

@hhoforvolts oh you've mistook what I mean by permanent magnet alternator. I'm running a tiny combustion engine on hho, the gen that feeds it pulls only 6 to 10 amps max. the pma it turns @500rpm and is rated @ 2kiliowatt... understand? if not here's a video of university students who did basically the same thing. just paste this is your youtube search bar: watch?v=cMlciNOyo_U

amazing they skipped over-unity and got free energy.lol

[Me102288]

over unity? get an ampmeter on the exit side at the same voltage, 3.3v at 6 amps is 19.8 watts, your taking 72 watts at 12v following the age old

Voltage x Amperage = watts

P.s. ignore the guy that said stop using Stainless Steel, Grade 316L SS is the only thing that wont corrode in electrolosis.HHO2U.com shows the test 304 ss is almost entirely corroded off while 316L was cleanable.

[hhoforvolts]

@Me102288 Yes that's what the cell is drawing........but it's a series circuit so take the voltage drop across the rod coil times the current and what do you get?...The problem is getting the over unity out. This was an early video, now the output to the cell is 21 amps. so reason for the design in the first place was to produce 3.5 volts for the cell from 12 volts with little loss, it;'s now at 96%

I have run 305 S.S. for a year with no damage at all. S.S is a must if 12 v is used, but why?

[Me102288]

over unity? get an ampmeter on the exit side at the same voltage, 3.3v at 6 amps is 19.8 watts, your taking 72 watts at 12v following the age old

Voltage x Amperage = watts

[hhoforvolts]

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[KKinsane2009]

someone put a rodin in their car O_o link plz :)

[uawwildbob]

yep I saw this vid when ya first posted it and had no idea what the hell I was looking at . Being able to double the out put of HHO is hugh . Can this then be doubled again in the same circuit ? or is there some kind of interference from the first buck rod ?. and if so ther might be a way to clean it up . I'm just sittin back thinking. BTW i had hooked up a nine volt bat. to 2 cells and the production was amaizin.U know that they only put out 7 volts so that was 3.5 volts per cell

[uawwildbob]

I do know that a 9v bat will not last long doing this. but it was a cool experiment to do. I would like to suggest a test for hex chromuimin the E-lyte . I know with the low volts you cant see any contamination but it would be good to know if it is there anyway. I have been told that there are some that have stoped using SS because of the hex chrome toxcicity levels. but if there are no hex stuff from using 3 volts or less that will again change the rules. I do know that there is hex from

[uawwildbob]

using 4.5 volts . btw i have done the 02 enhansers and maf enhaner and my mpgs are all over the place . sometimes its good and sometimes its bad . and it can go bad in the middle of a test and then turn good in the middle of the same test . the car computer MPG tester might be the culpret . what say you great master ?

[hhoforvolts]

I need to make clear that I am not getting more HHO with this circuit. It is that I am cutting the power needed to produce the HHO over a standard 3 volt high current source. Yes there is more HHO than if your were using 12 volts on the cell. Idealy I would think I would want to use 2 volts but if you don't go over 3.5 volts, there is discoloration or plate damage. Right now there is a cell current limit of about 8 amps with 50% or better power drawn from the source. I want to try a Rodin coil..

[hhoforvolts]

....the Rodin Coil is reported to have a 60% stronger magnetic field than the best of any other inductor design. There is another person who has converted a car alternator to 3.3 volts 3 phase, and the results are fantastic. I will try to add 2 delayed one shots, "quasi 3 phase circuit", to see if gives better results. Maybe a second rod will help. Many thanks for the response.

Richard

[hhoforvolts]

I sorry you are completely wrong on this, I can run my cells at 3.5 volts 55 amps if I need too. Power is voltage x current. Voltage any higher than 3.5 volts is heating water, not making HHO. To get a better understand of this, download "Pactrick J. Kelly's" Chapeter10.pdf. If you don't use my rod design, you can buy a BUCK COVERTER that will give you 0.9 to 5 volts 40 amps constant current. Plate surface, electrolyte, and spacing determains true HHO production. Running at 3 volts 55 amps will

[hhoforvolts]

......produce more HHO than running 12 volts 55 amps, you will use more power , make more water vapor, damage your cell, over heat, and produce less HHO.

[hhoforvolts]

Yes that correct, but using neutrals has some side effects, like not even voltage distrbution, much stronger electrolyte is required, and there is current leakage, plus plate damage. Look at all of the neutral dry cells out there and after short operation you have yellow gunk electrolyte, burned plates, only the complete isolation of cells does this work. PMWs do not work it still will be 12v always applied to the plates unless it is followed by a high capactity filter bank which will average

[hhoforvolts]

the voltage down due to duty cycle. The rod is a voltage divider providing a true voltage across the cell, not a pulsing 12 volts with a PMW. At this time can my rod circuit provide say 20 amps at 3 volts, no its still in development bu I can get 12 amps at under current unity. Take a look at my Dry cell on a diet running at 3.5 volts 25 amps and check out the production. You mis-informed on what it takes to produce HHO, you need to educate yourself, see chapter10.pdf then you will understand.

[hhoforvolts]

Well I am a EE too......... and once again you have made mistakes. Buck converters are 93 to 97% efficience, PWMs are lower, just the reverse.

All you have to do is look how small the heat sink is on the Buck compared to the PWM. I am surprise that you don't know that the PWM is always putting out the source. You can't use the average voltage over time, the cell still sees it as source no matter how short the duty cycle. It is obvious that you have NO grasp of the basics of HHO production...

[hhoforvolts]

Right now I am designing a Rod Buck for a major supplier of cell to a world wide shipping company and over the road big rig haulers. He is using a PWM at an average of 9 volts. Still over heating plus these big rigs have a limited 12 volt power capacity. They also have up to 48 volts too, Why doesn't he use 48 volts?

I tried to help another fellow with all his problems using 12 volts. In return, he posted nasty replies. About a week later, he had a new video up saying, no more 12volts, I have ..

[hhoforvolts]

.... switched to 3 volts and I have much more HHO. Did he credit me, hell no. I sure your a nice person but at this point I must say " Bone up or Shut up"

Please don't respond... I am doing what you say can't be done. I don't have the time to waste, I sorry, but that's the way it is.

[hhoforvolts]

For more vital information on this over unity effect, search YouTube for "Rosemary Ainslie circuit & aaronmurkakami videos" for in depth testing and circuit design. I simply lucked into finding this by accident early in my HHO research. In my research the Mosfet can be any type due to my modified "Lawton Circuit" To all of you well meaning idiots that say we are wasting our time, here's ia a major break though that was done first in 2002.

[hhoforvolts]

Up Date: Reviewing my video, I notice that the cell voltage and current draw was some what low.

The problem was yes I was using the 12 volt PC power supply wires but the switch of the power supply main input voltage was set at 220v ac instead 110 v ac. I do this from time to time because its give another range of voltage for testing. So my test is still valid just readings were low. Current at resonance should have been 7 amps without cooling and 8 amps with cooling.

Check & double check

[oystla]

Interesting stuff..

But what does the damm fast diode actually do...Does it recover the back emf from the rod back into the cell, and thereby increasing currents and efficiency and reduce losses? So energy stored in the water capacitor and rod inductor is released through the diode and results in higher current measurements ?

[hhoforvolts]

That's a good question. In the original Lawton circuit, he uses what appears to be a regular diode. That the way I built it the first time but I notice it just got hot. I had plenty of Damn Fast diodes from old PC power supplies, and they run cool.

Even the mosfet runs cool but must be in good health. If for some reason you sightly damage the mosfet messing around, and thats easy to do, the preformance of the circuit goes down. I don't know how many Mosfets I have either wiped out or damage.