I tested a bit with preparing Natural tissue/unryu paper.
The paper i have has a very low quality and with this method my paper became AMAZING
You must fill the Methy cellulose or wallpaper paste in a party cup.Then do you give pva glue and potato starch to it.now mix it with a brush an prepare the paper.but dont use to much starch.the result is 3x better than pure Mc.There's no final shaping necessary cause the paper keeps in the form in wich it is foldet.Have fun with it
Well it's not a big problem since it's my first attempt, but I'm realizing that cutting will be a few more difficult and surely folding something like the "ancient dragon" is easier if the paper lie straight.
I'm quite sure that the ironing won't be a good choice to solve the problem, am I right?
Have you got any hint to avoid this problem in my next double tissue?
I'm sorry if I'm gonna to rake up an old video that last comment was done 6 month ago, but I've just finish to try it and the result is amazing, first of all THANK YOU!
Secondly, a question:
Maybe I've done something wrong, 'cause during the rest (at the aim of let the paper to dry) it's happen something different from your one.
The paper start curling in itself, starting from the corner, and proceed along the long side for one or two cm.
I have tried making double tissue and I had a couple of problems. I used the wallpaper paste and used a roller to put it on. I used paper clips to make sure the paper was aligned and I covered it so that it changed colour to a darker shade. Anyway, when it dried for the night i peeled it off my plastic board surface and the paper completely seperated from each other. I don't know what I did wrong or if I left anything out but seeing as you do this all the time, can you give me some pointers? thx
great vid as usual! i would love to see more vids with instructions on how to fold the more complex models, like the ones you show at the end of this vid. it is very hard to come by instructions for the more complex models, and you explain very well how you work.
Could you do a close-up of pouring the final mixture so that I can get a better idea of the consistency? How watery is it, if I could see it poured it would make more sense. Thanks.
@CirciSurfMusic Sorry, I don't sell paper. I fear it wouldn't be a good deal for either of us. For you, because it'd be too expensive for what I have to offer, and for me, because the paper takes some time to make, and I like to use my time for making videos, rather than making paper. ;)
Are there any places that sell tissue paper that isnt folded up? I cant biy any that isnt covered in folds. This makes having wrinkle free paper impossible. Help?
I have tried making this but the paper keep splitting as it is drying. I blow dried it on high, then tried it again on low. I know this could be the problem. Does this happen still if you let it dry naturally?
@mrbluepie Using a blowdryer has several disadvantages. The paper will probably be a lot wavier, and as you already experienced, the risk of it splitting is much higher. So I'd say try letting it dry over night and see if that helps. :)
@chirunfleta I used wallpaper paste. Any glue that contains methyl cellulose should work. You can also try using white glue and thinning it down with water.
I scrolled through some pages you answered a lot and thats hopeful for me :)
Now my question is I ordered tissue paper like 5 days ago and I am planning to use them just adding MC to them, like unryu. And I saw this vid. and you glued two tissue paper to each. Now I'm confused what should I do, just add MC to one layer paper or two layers of paper?
And here is a second q. can I use 2 little foils together to get a bigger foil to paste it to a tissue p.
@LetsRockTheChair It depends on what kind of project you want to fold from it. Often, a single layer will result in too thin and weak paper, that's why I combine two layers.
As to your second question, yes, you can align two sheets of foil to create larger sheets of tissue foil.
And I can't find MC anywhere and I went like 100 hardware store, everyone gives me CMC when I want w. paste. CMC and MC looks familiar to me so can CMC work too?
i recently purchased satoshi kamiyas new book and for the ancient dragon i was going to make a giant piece of tissue foil, but it seems you've done it with this paper. ive made back coated papers before but for this model with your double tissue did you wet fold it or what?
I can't seem to find Metylan Normal (what you're using) anywhere. The only one I can find that looks like it might work is Metylan Special, I suspect is has extra components to suit wallpaper. Or maybe it isn't MC at all (the ingredients are vague). Do you think it should work?
@MrKoolTrix I haven't tried, so I don't know. Crepe paper is quite different, though. For one, it's textured. So the result would definitely be different. You can give it a try and report back, though. That'd be interesting.
@rnslrzno28 The largest one I had cut in a hardware store. The smaller squares are backings of origami packs I've bought in the past. I also cut some hexagon stencils from cardboard. For this I printed a perfect hexagon, and then cut through the cardboard using the print-out as a reference.
@xkirasaki Sorry, I don't know any local stores in Canada. Having said that, Canada is a big country, so I'm sure there are a lot of places. Try an arts and crafts store, or check whether some wrapping paper is suitable for folding. Wrapping paper often has a white side and a colored side, too.
@mr1phillip Actually, the papeer turns slightly transparent for me, too. I wouldn't worry about that too much. In that state the tissue will probably rip quite easily, so the only thing I'd look out for is not to work the tissue too much. Also, your mix may be too thin.
@bonebreakboy Ah, well, it's easier to just let the glue soak both layers of tissue from the top. With some paper, the tissue may not soak as easily. Then adding the glue between the two layers of tissue may help. It's harder to prevent wrinkles that way, and you may have to apply the tissue "stretched", rather than rolling it on. For example, you can attach the tissue to a board and then lower it on the glue in one go. Makes sense?
@ORIGAMIDUDE1000 Yes, that's what I'd try. Oh, and don't let the glue dry before washing the bowl if you want to use it again later. The glue might want to stick around else. ;)
Have you tried applying a layer of plexiglass after applying the adhesive with some weight on it to help make the paper smoother after drying with some weight to help push out the air. It will take longer to dry, but if it works you'd get both sides the same texture and shine and the plexiglass is typically flexible so you can pull it back after drying. It might be worth a try.
@berky1976 Actually, I prefer the non-shiny side, and usually fold models so that the shiny side is hidden inside the model. So making both sides shiny seems a bit counterproductive for my case. :)
I haven't really had problems with the paper not being flat and smooth in the final state, so maybe that's why I haven't experimented in that direction.
@AdamsSara I understand what you are saying. I suppose if you didn't want a shiny side you'd have to find a piece of glass that was textured which would most likely be expensive and could possible not give you the desired results.
I have a question would gift wrapping paper be good for origami and for the ancient dragon by satoshi kamiya's can u post a video from step 60 to 70??
See comment by PetersonDoug (Elmer's Art Paste works well). Also, I use wallpaper paste, not plaster. [Yes, I used the wrong word in the video... continuously. Sorry for that.]
Do you know of any other uses for Methyl Cellulose? I phoned some hardware stores, but they don't know what it is at all. Or maybe a known brand name? I will go in myself too, but just wondered if it has other uses for them to go on?
When making 2 layer tissue paper, it appeared to me that when the layers are put at 90 degrees on top of each other, the resulting tissue is stronger. This is because the direction of the fibers.
If the tissue is layered in similar direction, the fibers are aligned yielding a double layer strong along the direction of the fibers but weaker in the direction across. When the sheets are at a 90 degree angle the fibers are crossed and the sheet will be strong in both directions.
I haven't tried this yet, although it has crossed my mind. I think I usually align them the same, because the tissue has creases in it, and it's harder to have the two sheets align correctly if you rotate the sheets. What's your experience with this? Do you think it's worth the extra effort?
@AdamsSara Yes, it is a bit harder as you indicated. Also as the two sheets shrink in two different directions, getting is flat on the glass is a bit more challenging. I compared aligned and crossed layers and the crossed seems equally strong in both directions.
I think in models with many back and forth folding among the same line (valley to mountain etc.) is can be worth it especially if the crease is aligned along the grain of the paper/tissue.
I think the non-bleeding tissue will not soak the MC as well as the bleeding kind. So I think it will be difficult to make a two layer non bleeding tissue.
Maybe a bleeding + non-bleeding would get you a two color version (probable the non-bleeding should go on the bottom as you brush the MC on and through the bleeding layer).
It's definitely harder to work with non-bleeding tissue. And I agree that it might be worth a try mixing the two, and putting the non-bleeding on the bottom, the bleeding tissue on top. Then the bleeding tissue should stick to the non-bleeding one - if all works well. Next time I make double tissue I'll give it a try.
you would want to look for tissue paper advertised for being used in crafts or gift wrappings. some companies refer to toilet paper and other various paper products as tissue paper as well.
Where exactly would I find tissue paper? I live in South Africa, maybe it goes by other names? Searching on the web, it seems to be a sort of gift wrapping paper. Is that about right?+
I think it's sometimes sold as gift wrapping paper in the US. In Germany it's more of an arts supply. Basically, tissue paper is very thin and relatively soft paper. I'd say it's about 20gsm if that means anything to you. I'm not sure where you can get tissue paper in South Africa, but you can try and go to an arts supply store or paper store and ask them for tissue paper. They should know the stuff. I am not aware of other names for tissue paper in English, but I'm not a native speaker.
Wallpaper paste is usually clear. If there are lots of air bubbles in it, it can appear white. If that's the case, then just let it rest. The bubbles will rise to the surface. Too many air bubbles will have an effect on the quality of the tissue paper. If the glue is opaque white, it's probably not the right stuff for this project.
hey hey hey, I didn´t know you could make the ancient dragon! nice one!
I´m going to try to make a double tissue right now =)
Ah, now i´m starting to make my own washi paper and other kind of papers for origami, later I´ll show you some, and send some if you want =), It takes more than 2 months to make so i´ll got some only next year.
Wow, I have been looking endlessly for a suitable paper for making an Ancient Dragon, just found it!. I made the mistake of trying with 70*70cm of 180gsm paper, which was, of course, fatal (managed to get to step 117). Maybe I could try with additional sheets at the sides, a bit interlayered, to get a bigger sheet. Any advice? Thanks A LOT
There won't be a video for that dragon, I fear. You need to be a very advanced folder, the paper choice is very important - and it still will take several hours to fold. Adding instructions would make it a video that's ... 24 hours maybe. It's a no no.
Ive been using this paper almost exclusively for almost 8 months, and it is amazing. I should really use less MC though...
HomoCyborgZombie - To answer your question, diagrams are in the book Licence to Fold by Nicolas Terry. Theres also a CP floating around on the web somewhere, but I highly recommend buying the book for all the other great models in it.
Just want to know : When you make a complex model with your double tissue sheet, do you wetfold it ? Do you fold the base dry, and then dampen bits of paper at the end ? Or do you dampen the whole sheet from start ?
I think wet folding with double tissue from the start would be fatal. The paper would probably rip while doing the folds. I think for wet folding from start to finish you need to work with considerably heavier paper.
I have dampened finished models in parts, especially if you want to thin down points for claws etc., but you still have to be very careful.
I'm not sure which kinds of tissue papers there are, but you should go for the thin stuff. I'd guess the most suitable tissue paper weights round 20 to 30 gsm. Most art and crafts stores hold tissue paper in different colours. If you are lucky you can even find non-bleeding tissue paper. If you can get a hold of it, do buy it and try making duo coloured double tissue.
Yes, the solution will penetrate both layers, thus gluing them together.
Paper mache paste should work. I'm not sure what quality paste it will result in, but I guess there's no harm in trying. Usually paper mache paste basically *is* wallpaper paste in any case.
Thanks for showing how to make double tissue paper I can use It mabie to make an ancient dragon like you did (great dragon by the way0 I wish I could fold one that well.
Methyl Cellulose. In the origami community it's mostly just called MC. If you can find pure Methyl Cellulose, that'll work - else most wallpaper pastes are based on it.
Hi,
I tested a bit with preparing Natural tissue/unryu paper.
The paper i have has a very low quality and with this method my paper became AMAZING
You must fill the Methy cellulose or wallpaper paste in a party cup.Then do you give pva glue and potato starch to it.now mix it with a brush an prepare the paper.but dont use to much starch.the result is 3x better than pure Mc.There's no final shaping necessary cause the paper keeps in the form in wich it is foldet.Have fun with it
Origamiexpertful 2 months ago
japanesse paper works?
TropangDrawing 2 months ago
Well it's not a big problem since it's my first attempt, but I'm realizing that cutting will be a few more difficult and surely folding something like the "ancient dragon" is easier if the paper lie straight.
I'm quite sure that the ironing won't be a good choice to solve the problem, am I right?
Have you got any hint to avoid this problem in my next double tissue?
Thanks
Alessandro.
AntimonioOrigami 3 months ago
This video go beyond the excellence, it's superb.
I'm sorry if I'm gonna to rake up an old video that last comment was done 6 month ago, but I've just finish to try it and the result is amazing, first of all THANK YOU!
Secondly, a question:
Maybe I've done something wrong, 'cause during the rest (at the aim of let the paper to dry) it's happen something different from your one.
The paper start curling in itself, starting from the corner, and proceed along the long side for one or two cm.
AntimonioOrigami 3 months ago
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johnkristoffertibaya 3 months ago
@itsmeordadog , I'm not sure, but it might be cos u used wallpaper paste instead of plaster...
Lidya537 4 months ago
I have tried making double tissue and I had a couple of problems. I used the wallpaper paste and used a roller to put it on. I used paper clips to make sure the paper was aligned and I covered it so that it changed colour to a darker shade. Anyway, when it dried for the night i peeled it off my plastic board surface and the paper completely seperated from each other. I don't know what I did wrong or if I left anything out but seeing as you do this all the time, can you give me some pointers? thx
itsmeordadog 4 months ago
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itsmeordadog 4 months ago
step 1:glue 2 peices of paper together.
scaterboy55 4 months ago
is it possible to use spray adhesive instead of plaster
MrHqbank 6 months ago
great vid as usual! i would love to see more vids with instructions on how to fold the more complex models, like the ones you show at the end of this vid. it is very hard to come by instructions for the more complex models, and you explain very well how you work.
keep up the great work!
thanks!
kadchha 7 months ago
Could you do a close-up of pouring the final mixture so that I can get a better idea of the consistency? How watery is it, if I could see it poured it would make more sense. Thanks.
TurnEhDogh 8 months ago
can i use this paper to make the origami ancient dragon
Jeffrey2735 8 months ago
I have a non-stick foil that seems to work. I spread it out over the large freezer in my basement.
Would you say that it's okay for somebody who can't afford a big ass sheet of glass? :P
HomoCyborgZombie 8 months ago
is there something else beside plaste that i can use
that works goodd
please wirte back
origamimaster2002 9 months ago
@origamimaster2002 I've once tried using thinned down white glue (PVC), and that worked nicely, too.
AdamsSara 9 months ago
@AdamsSara so i should get some tissue papwer and some elmers glue and put water in it tell how much water in it 70
origamimaster2002 9 months ago
@AdamsSara Ok... So, any Ideas for a good surface I can use? Anything besides glass, please. I... I don't... I don't own any large glass... :(
please write back...
duhskills129 2 months ago
is there something else beside plaste that i can use
that works goodd
origamimaster2002 9 months ago
is there something else beside plaste that i can use
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origamimaster2002 9 months ago
with this metod i can folding ancient dragon??
Airflaree 9 months ago
Do we have to use wallpaper paste to stick the tissue together or could we use normal glue?
Fingerboarder320 9 months ago
I used a sheet of this to make an Ancient Dragon....... It looks soooo many hundreds of times better than the on I made out of tissue foil.
ReignBringer10 10 months ago
8:18 No shoes!
joeorigami1999 10 months ago
just tried making this using ordinary wallpaper paste (cant find mc) =( , the tissue is a little stiffer but still quite fragile o.O
mohammedkhan14 10 months ago
in greece its called GLUTOLINE its the same product.
maryblue75 10 months ago
please can I buy some of this off of you?
(I'm not very good at making it :P) Please get back to me.
CirciSurfMusic 10 months ago
@CirciSurfMusic Sorry, I don't sell paper. I fear it wouldn't be a good deal for either of us. For you, because it'd be too expensive for what I have to offer, and for me, because the paper takes some time to make, and I like to use my time for making videos, rather than making paper. ;)
AdamsSara 10 months ago
Are there any places that sell tissue paper that isnt folded up? I cant biy any that isnt covered in folds. This makes having wrinkle free paper impossible. Help?
Akotlya1 10 months ago
I have tried making this but the paper keep splitting as it is drying. I blow dried it on high, then tried it again on low. I know this could be the problem. Does this happen still if you let it dry naturally?
mrbluepie 11 months ago
@mrbluepie Using a blowdryer has several disadvantages. The paper will probably be a lot wavier, and as you already experienced, the risk of it splitting is much higher. So I'd say try letting it dry over night and see if that helps. :)
AdamsSara 11 months ago
@AdamsSara Thanks for the tip and making great videos as well!
mrbluepie 11 months ago
hi! can you write the glue's name?
because I dont understand english so much! but reading is much more easy :)
(I'm uruguayan girl)
thanks!
chirunfleta 11 months ago
@chirunfleta I used wallpaper paste. Any glue that contains methyl cellulose should work. You can also try using white glue and thinning it down with water.
AdamsSara 11 months ago
Could I use a whiteboard instead of glass? I don't think they absorb water.
guitarhero199412345 1 year ago
@guitarhero199412345 That should work, yes. Try with a small sheet first to see whether it works ok. :)
AdamsSara 11 months ago
What kind of accent?
Chrisgameupd8s 1 year ago
@Chrisgameupd8s German.
AdamsSara 1 year ago
I scrolled through some pages you answered a lot and thats hopeful for me :)
Now my question is I ordered tissue paper like 5 days ago and I am planning to use them just adding MC to them, like unryu. And I saw this vid. and you glued two tissue paper to each. Now I'm confused what should I do, just add MC to one layer paper or two layers of paper?
And here is a second q. can I use 2 little foils together to get a bigger foil to paste it to a tissue p.
And sorry for my English I'm foreign :)
LetsRockTheChair 1 year ago
@LetsRockTheChair It depends on what kind of project you want to fold from it. Often, a single layer will result in too thin and weak paper, that's why I combine two layers.
As to your second question, yes, you can align two sheets of foil to create larger sheets of tissue foil.
AdamsSara 1 year ago
@AdamsSara
Thanks for the reply :)
And I can't find MC anywhere and I went like 100 hardware store, everyone gives me CMC when I want w. paste. CMC and MC looks familiar to me so can CMC work too?
LetsRockTheChair 1 year ago
@LetsRockTheChair CMC is just carboxymethylcellulose. It also will work just fine :)
Hellome360 1 year ago
i recently purchased satoshi kamiyas new book and for the ancient dragon i was going to make a giant piece of tissue foil, but it seems you've done it with this paper. ive made back coated papers before but for this model with your double tissue did you wet fold it or what?
OrigamiAlexx 1 year ago
I can't seem to find Metylan Normal (what you're using) anywhere. The only one I can find that looks like it might work is Metylan Special, I suspect is has extra components to suit wallpaper. Or maybe it isn't MC at all (the ingredients are vague). Do you think it should work?
Uxkkun 1 year ago
@Uxkkun Probably it will work. The only safe way to know is to try it out, though. :)
AdamsSara 1 year ago
Does crepe paper also work for that?
MrKoolTrix 1 year ago
@MrKoolTrix I haven't tried, so I don't know. Crepe paper is quite different, though. For one, it's textured. So the result would definitely be different. You can give it a try and report back, though. That'd be interesting.
AdamsSara 1 year ago
where did you get the squares to make the measurements?
rnslrzno28 1 year ago
@rnslrzno28 The largest one I had cut in a hardware store. The smaller squares are backings of origami packs I've bought in the past. I also cut some hexagon stencils from cardboard. For this I printed a perfect hexagon, and then cut through the cardboard using the print-out as a reference.
AdamsSara 1 year ago
where did you get the squares?
rnslrzno28 1 year ago
Do you know if there origami shop in canada?
like... with a white side and a color side?
xkirasaki 1 year ago
@xkirasaki Sorry, I don't know any local stores in Canada. Having said that, Canada is a big country, so I'm sure there are a lot of places. Try an arts and crafts store, or check whether some wrapping paper is suitable for folding. Wrapping paper often has a white side and a colored side, too.
AdamsSara 1 year ago
when i apply the MC, the paper turns clear, and i can see through it....... What am i doing wrong???
mr1phillip 1 year ago
@mr1phillip Actually, the papeer turns slightly transparent for me, too. I wouldn't worry about that too much. In that state the tissue will probably rip quite easily, so the only thing I'd look out for is not to work the tissue too much. Also, your mix may be too thin.
AdamsSara 1 year ago
Thanks for teaching this, but I'm a bit confused, I see you did tissue-tissue-glue, does it make any difference if you go tissue-glue-tissue?
bonebreakboy 1 year ago
@bonebreakboy Ah, well, it's easier to just let the glue soak both layers of tissue from the top. With some paper, the tissue may not soak as easily. Then adding the glue between the two layers of tissue may help. It's harder to prevent wrinkles that way, and you may have to apply the tissue "stretched", rather than rolling it on. For example, you can attach the tissue to a board and then lower it on the glue in one go. Makes sense?
AdamsSara 1 year ago
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mr1phillip 1 year ago
@ORIGAMIDUDE1000 Yes, that's what I'd try. Oh, and don't let the glue dry before washing the bowl if you want to use it again later. The glue might want to stick around else. ;)
AdamsSara 1 year ago
So, you basically just glue two sheets of tissue paper together and cut it into a square ?
Jonbirnil 1 year ago
@Jonbirnil Yes, that's the idea. :) This video just gives a couple of pointers on how to best glue two sheets together.
AdamsSara 1 year ago
Have you tried applying a layer of plexiglass after applying the adhesive with some weight on it to help make the paper smoother after drying with some weight to help push out the air. It will take longer to dry, but if it works you'd get both sides the same texture and shine and the plexiglass is typically flexible so you can pull it back after drying. It might be worth a try.
berky1976 1 year ago
@berky1976 Actually, I prefer the non-shiny side, and usually fold models so that the shiny side is hidden inside the model. So making both sides shiny seems a bit counterproductive for my case. :)
I haven't really had problems with the paper not being flat and smooth in the final state, so maybe that's why I haven't experimented in that direction.
AdamsSara 1 year ago
@AdamsSara I understand what you are saying. I suppose if you didn't want a shiny side you'd have to find a piece of glass that was textured which would most likely be expensive and could possible not give you the desired results.
berky1976 1 year ago
thank you i will try this!
tropicsunshine 1 year ago
can i use elmers glue if i thin it down\?
tropicsunshine 1 year ago
@tropicsunshine I have never tried myself, but have heard from other origami folks that this works.
AdamsSara 1 year ago
@tropicsunshine Ive done it before and it works fine
asianfred606 1 year ago
where did you get that glass platform?
Keirina 1 year ago
@Keirina It's a picture frame.
AdamsSara 1 year ago
Nguyen is pronounced like win, not ngooien, lol
asianfred606 1 year ago
I have a question would gift wrapping paper be good for origami and for the ancient dragon by satoshi kamiya's can u post a video from step 60 to 70??
sgtkwan007 1 year ago
LOL FUCK U I HATE U !
BerlinCityRunner 1 year ago
I really love your videos and website!
paperdude1000 1 year ago
where are the diagrams for the eagle at the end?
godfreak100 2 years ago
Diagrams are in the book "License to Fold" by Nicolas Terry. The design is by Hung Cuong Nguyen.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
Elmer's Art Paste is methyl cellulose.
PetersonDoug 2 years ago
instead of plaster can u use art paste?
azndragonfan 2 years ago
See comment by PetersonDoug (Elmer's Art Paste works well). Also, I use wallpaper paste, not plaster. [Yes, I used the wrong word in the video... continuously. Sorry for that.]
AdamsSara 2 years ago
can you post tutorials of satoshi kamiya's origami?
godfreak100 2 years ago
No, sorry, Satoshi doesn't want me to post instructions on his stuff.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
Do you know of any other uses for Methyl Cellulose? I phoned some hardware stores, but they don't know what it is at all. Or maybe a known brand name? I will go in myself too, but just wondered if it has other uses for them to go on?
SwartFrancois 2 years ago
When making 2 layer tissue paper, it appeared to me that when the layers are put at 90 degrees on top of each other, the resulting tissue is stronger. This is because the direction of the fibers.
If the tissue is layered in similar direction, the fibers are aligned yielding a double layer strong along the direction of the fibers but weaker in the direction across. When the sheets are at a 90 degree angle the fibers are crossed and the sheet will be strong in both directions.
Pixelman101 2 years ago
I haven't tried this yet, although it has crossed my mind. I think I usually align them the same, because the tissue has creases in it, and it's harder to have the two sheets align correctly if you rotate the sheets. What's your experience with this? Do you think it's worth the extra effort?
AdamsSara 2 years ago
@AdamsSara Yes, it is a bit harder as you indicated. Also as the two sheets shrink in two different directions, getting is flat on the glass is a bit more challenging. I compared aligned and crossed layers and the crossed seems equally strong in both directions.
I think in models with many back and forth folding among the same line (valley to mountain etc.) is can be worth it especially if the crease is aligned along the grain of the paper/tissue.
Pixelman101 2 years ago
Great videos.
I think the non-bleeding tissue will not soak the MC as well as the bleeding kind. So I think it will be difficult to make a two layer non bleeding tissue.
Maybe a bleeding + non-bleeding would get you a two color version (probable the non-bleeding should go on the bottom as you brush the MC on and through the bleeding layer).
Pixelman101 2 years ago
It's definitely harder to work with non-bleeding tissue. And I agree that it might be worth a try mixing the two, and putting the non-bleeding on the bottom, the bleeding tissue on top. Then the bleeding tissue should stick to the non-bleeding one - if all works well. Next time I make double tissue I'll give it a try.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
hallo sara
you make a great origami!!!!
thank you for your videos!
from germany
:-) :-)
hoellenweib 2 years ago
you would want to look for tissue paper advertised for being used in crafts or gift wrappings. some companies refer to toilet paper and other various paper products as tissue paper as well.
MrOicheShamhna 2 years ago
Where exactly would I find tissue paper? I live in South Africa, maybe it goes by other names? Searching on the web, it seems to be a sort of gift wrapping paper. Is that about right?+
SwartFrancois 2 years ago
I think it's sometimes sold as gift wrapping paper in the US. In Germany it's more of an arts supply. Basically, tissue paper is very thin and relatively soft paper. I'd say it's about 20gsm if that means anything to you. I'm not sure where you can get tissue paper in South Africa, but you can try and go to an arts supply store or paper store and ask them for tissue paper. They should know the stuff. I am not aware of other names for tissue paper in English, but I'm not a native speaker.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
why this video isn't loading?
yoav512 2 years ago
how come your glue is clear. because my glue is white
yoyoguylol 2 years ago
Wallpaper paste is usually clear. If there are lots of air bubbles in it, it can appear white. If that's the case, then just let it rest. The bubbles will rise to the surface. Too many air bubbles will have an effect on the quality of the tissue paper. If the glue is opaque white, it's probably not the right stuff for this project.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
hey hey hey, I didn´t know you could make the ancient dragon! nice one!
I´m going to try to make a double tissue right now =)
Ah, now i´m starting to make my own washi paper and other kind of papers for origami, later I´ll show you some, and send some if you want =), It takes more than 2 months to make so i´ll got some only next year.
tadashimori 2 years ago
Sounds very promising! I'm definitely interested. Also, tell me how your double tissue attempt turned out.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
Wow, I have been looking endlessly for a suitable paper for making an Ancient Dragon, just found it!. I made the mistake of trying with 70*70cm of 180gsm paper, which was, of course, fatal (managed to get to step 117). Maybe I could try with additional sheets at the sides, a bit interlayered, to get a bigger sheet. Any advice? Thanks A LOT
satyrae 2 years ago
wow thats a great idea! by the way are you able to upload a video on the dragon you mentioned at the end of the video? it looks so cool!
sleeksheepfox 2 years ago
There won't be a video for that dragon, I fear. You need to be a very advanced folder, the paper choice is very important - and it still will take several hours to fold. Adding instructions would make it a video that's ... 24 hours maybe. It's a no no.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
awesome. I'm going to have to try this since origami paper can be so difficult to find where I'm at D:
Thank you!
Harusama 2 years ago
that looks fun!! haha
backyardiganslover 2 years ago
Ive been using this paper almost exclusively for almost 8 months, and it is amazing. I should really use less MC though...
HomoCyborgZombie - To answer your question, diagrams are in the book Licence to Fold by Nicolas Terry. Theres also a CP floating around on the web somewhere, but I highly recommend buying the book for all the other great models in it.
Zoraz89 2 years ago
Just want to know : When you make a complex model with your double tissue sheet, do you wetfold it ? Do you fold the base dry, and then dampen bits of paper at the end ? Or do you dampen the whole sheet from start ?
desaulnd 2 years ago
I think wet folding with double tissue from the start would be fatal. The paper would probably rip while doing the folds. I think for wet folding from start to finish you need to work with considerably heavier paper.
I have dampened finished models in parts, especially if you want to thin down points for claws etc., but you still have to be very careful.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
do you mix the powder with water
yoyoguylol 2 years ago
Yes, mix it with plain tap water.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
Awesome :D
I'm pretty sure now I can make some of Satoshi's work.
Incidentally, where can I get the diagrams for that eagle?
HomoCyborgZombie 2 years ago
"Licence to Fold" by Nicolas Terry - but be warned, it's a highly complex model.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
I'm guessing the reddish/brown at the edges at about 5:50-6:00 is just the tissue paper's color bleeding out?
harujp2 2 years ago
Yes, it is. With non-bleeding tissue this shouldn't happen, or at least not as much. Also, the colour can easily be removed with window cleaner.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
I was wondering what paper i needed!!! thank you
essboarder23 2 years ago
yay thanks! ive been looking for something like this for a while :)
speedstakerguy 2 years ago
What kind of tissue paper should I use?
So brushing the solution on top goes through both layers?
Would commercially produced (found in a box, must mix by self) paper mache paste work?
TogrutaJedi 2 years ago
I'm not sure which kinds of tissue papers there are, but you should go for the thin stuff. I'd guess the most suitable tissue paper weights round 20 to 30 gsm. Most art and crafts stores hold tissue paper in different colours. If you are lucky you can even find non-bleeding tissue paper. If you can get a hold of it, do buy it and try making duo coloured double tissue.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
Yes, the solution will penetrate both layers, thus gluing them together.
Paper mache paste should work. I'm not sure what quality paste it will result in, but I guess there's no harm in trying. Usually paper mache paste basically *is* wallpaper paste in any case.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
Thanks for showing how to make double tissue paper I can use It mabie to make an ancient dragon like you did (great dragon by the way0 I wish I could fold one that well.
origamifinch 2 years ago
awesome video. and really nice origami there at the end.
what was the main ingredient you mentioned in the beginning?
ilikepie11891 2 years ago
Methyl Cellulose. In the origami community it's mostly just called MC. If you can find pure Methyl Cellulose, that'll work - else most wallpaper pastes are based on it.
AdamsSara 2 years ago
Excellent video, thanks
diginando 2 years ago