ok ok blablablablabla again wing chun guy was bad and he didnt know wing chun and bullshit all the time why some of you cant accept defeat some times???
Where did they get that clown from to represent Wing Chun?This dude had a belly and moobs.I have trained Wing Chun since 1994 and have never seen such a bad representation of the art.My Sifu was a former boxer and he stressed conditioning and shitloads of sparring.This guy obviously never learned this.
again the same old argument Kung fu trying to defend it's name against MMA. Just fight and prove yourself. No need for keyboard warriors! Enter a MMA event and prove your art is more suppior otherwise shut up and keep dreaming!
Are they really that tough? I always wonder why there are no Chinese boxers in pro boxing. Is it because their fighters are only good in their Kung Fu movies? They can easily settle the Chinese claim over the Spratly Islands by a boxing match between my compatriot Pacquiao and the best boxer from Asian bully China.LOL
ilikeaeroplanejelly and SijoJay, you guys are getting to passionate but it is good to see that the style vs style argument is still alive. The pair of you remember this, style means absolutely nothing, it is about the individual fighter, I have seen to many victories and losses, find a style and dedicate yourself to it, that is the best anyone can do. Niether one of your styles will reign absolute, no style will, just do what you can with what you know and stop ranting at each other.
I would argue that this is only partially true. No matter how good a baker is, he cannot bake good bread with dirt.
The style, or more importantly how the style is trained (Because with alive training, ineffective techniques do not survive) is more important than the individual.
I've seen many times guys who train hard develop more fighting ability than someone naturally talented.
As for a style working for different people, the body only works, on a basic level, a certain number of ways.
I feel that you argue for the sake of arguing however you do it very well. You are correct in that the body works in a basic way and more importantly the body will only retain the absolute basics during a stressful combat encounter, which I personally can attest too. Again style is not important as long as muscle memory is established to allow basics to be executed during a real encounter, I mean real as in street or military combat not sports.
This is very true. But the disparity between street and sports is somewhat less than you would think. But I digress.
This statement is very much true for arts which train in an effective and alive manner and teach the basics well in all ranges of combat; however, the vast majority of martial arts do not do this.
So, at least in my opinion, it is inaccurate and somewhat misleading to make such a generalised statement that can be used as an excuse for bad training.
Well I don't make these statements from an uninformed view, I have competed in Judo and TaeKwonDo, am a Kung Fu instructor and I am a response Officer within a Prison, I believe I am fairly informed, none the less you present your arguments well and are obviously equally well informed, my disagrements with you are picky and minor and not worth mentioning so I shall end by sending you a cyber bow, just remember your training may be higher then that of the average martial student, be kind.
I didn't mean to imply in any way that you were uninformed. But I don't consider myself an overly experienced martial artist; certainly not enough to teach.
Most of what I argue is based on logic. Seems that basing an argument on experience leads to people questioning your experience, wheras valid logic cannot be questioned without evidence.
Of course, if you see any flaws in my logic definitely point them out; but I don't think experience affects the validity of a logical argument.
This also isn't directed solely at you or your experience as a whole, because there's no doubt that experience lends a lot of weight to an argument.
I respect your experience, but there are a lot of people around who will use fallacious arguments regarding experience to try and make their own opinions more true and yours less so.
like mathe says, its the muscle memory thats important lets say they do keep their chin tucked, theirs still an entire onslaught of movesomeone can throw thatll do massive damage and will come unexpectedly. as a result of training in choy li fut for over 10 years i don;t have to think when im in an encounters because its already ingrained in me. i see the opening and im there and if your not quicker than me your gonna get hit. most martial artists dont train for a fight and try to take their
sets and preplan everything out, which of course isn't going to work. its just like praticing for a sport, in football u drill the plays and tactics over and over again so that in the game you execute it without having to think, the same goes with martial arts. thru that training physical and mental you begin to recognize the body patterns and develop faster reactions.
If you want to learn karate, learn a system of Kenpo, Aikido or one of the Shorin systems, these are the best of Japanese martial arts! Kenpo originated from a Japanese family that lived in China for a while, the Mitose family, who studied Shaolin Chuan Fa! All Shorin schools are Shaolin based, Shorin is Japanese for Shaolin! Aikido is the Japanese form of Chin Na. If you want sport, degrade yourself with TKD! I don't study sporting arts, I study Combat Arts! Martial Art as sport is useless!
The claim that martial arts as sports are useless is completely ridiculous. It is the ideal way of pressure testing techniques and strategies in a close approximation to an actual fight.
Your claim that these sporting arts are anywhere close to a real fight is delusional! I have fought in bare knuckle Karate tournaments, and they are no where close to a real fight! I am not even able to use my martial art in these karate sport events! The rules do not allow grabbing, takedowns, joint locks/submissions, they only allow punches to the chest, and kicking to the thighs, torso, and head. THIS BY NO MEANS IS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO A REAL FIGHT! You must have never been in a real fight!
My martial art teaches one to control the fight through a multitude of techniques! Trapping, joint locking, striking vital areas, takedowns, flurries of punches and kicks to effective areas! You bring 3 of your sporting art tournament useless point sparring or bare knuckle fighters to meet me in a system vs system REAL fight, and I will destroy all 3 at the same time, and then whip you for being a delusional idiot!
You are an arrogant fool, and have far greater delusions than I. I recommend you take this challenge to Bullshido. I guarantee you'll find someone willing to prove how wrong you are there; in fact, they specialise in it.
For a karate tournament to even come close to a real fight, they would have to blend karate, aikido, and jujitsu! That blend would also make the study of Japanese arts more closely related to the study of Chinese Kung Fu! Most systems of Chinese Kung Fu contain elements of all types of fighting, from striking, to joint locking, to ground fighting! This is why Kung Fu is Superior in a street fight!
Try this, apply your BJJ arm bar in a real fight, a street fight, and when that persons friend starts stomping your head in, you will realize the great void between sport and real! I use arm bars as well, but not applied in such a manner to leave me defenseless! I will even tell you how, intercept the punch with a trapping motion, grab the throat, sweep the feet, place one knee on the chest, the intercepted arm still controlled in the trap, the other knee is up and thigh is used as the fulcrum!
Try this: apply your Kung Fu in a real fight, and when the guy stops punching you in the face, you will realise the great void that exists between real fighting and unrealistic training such as that practised by the vast majority of Kung Fu practitioners.
Also, I have used an armbar in a fight. You'd be surprise how quickly a destroyed elbow joint can end a fight.
Plus, if you go to the ground against your will, you'd better know how to get out of there.
And also, with this armbar technique, I'd like to see you pull off this "trapping" in a full-contact scenario. Reality is, trapping range only exists if both combatants want it to.
As for grabbing the throat and sweeping the feet, how do you intend to do so if they have a decent guard? As in, have watched one boxing match and know how to tuck their chin? Plus, I hope you realise that you must off-balance an opponent (Kuzushi) before throwing.
Plus, if they escape their hips you will be swept.
both of you two have good points. forms are very important in kung fu because for bruce lee to even get to the level he was at he had to master the basics. the problem with most kung fu practicioners is that nowadays they focus too much on winning a medal in a competition and forget to train themselves in the fighting aspect as well. in my school we practice forms but focus most of all on how to to take the form and apply in actualy fights
by fighting against each other (no gear no rules). as far as tucking the chin and guarding goes, most people without any background (minus ones who prob grew up fighting) are not going to have the skill and speed necessary to tuck their chin before a skilled martial artist throws a shot to their throat. a martial artist that has trained constantly for combat has that edge becuz we already know how to read people's bodies and respond with blows most people aren't used to seeing
The chin will be kept tucked most of the time. This is one of the basics of full-contact fighting.
Anyone who has watched a single boxing match will probably do this instinctively, because protecting the chin (and as a result, the throat) is the most important aspect of not getting knocked out.
Those of you who say kung fu relies on too much forms training don't have a clue about kung fu. Karate generally has 9 belts followed by 9 dan ranks, each belt usually has 2 forms, each dan ranking up to 4 forms, all useless motions. Japanese know one major form of Chi practice called Sanchin kata, a form that they learned from Chinese Fujian White Crane practitioners, and this is their only worthwhile kata. Bruce Lee started the no forms tradition, he was Chinese, and a Kung Fu practitioner!
So... Ninomiya commenting on how wing chun concerns itself too much with forms and sticky hands instead of sparring, based on this exact fight, must have been his mistake as well... If he didn't do wing chun and the forms he did were not wing chun, then what the heck did he do? Self Pwnage Kuen?
I practice Wing Chun, Hung Gar, Chin Na, Tai Chi, and more! From the beginning of this vid. I could tell this guy doesn't really know Wing Chun! I fought in a Bare Knuckle Japanese Karate Tournament held by Yoshukai(WYKKO) and I punished their fighters with my Iron Fist, for I study Real Kung Fu, furthermore, karate tournaments completely limit a Kung Fu Fighter, so forced to fight by their limiting rules, I still won! I also sent WYKKO a system vs system challenge that goes unanswered!
One more thing, I will fight any Japanese karate fighter, anytime, anywhere! Preferably system vs system, but I will also fight by their bias, limiting rules, and I guarantee I will win! I have yet to find a karate practitioner willing to fight system vs system! If you want to know why, it is because karate is for tournaments and ring fighting only, Kung Fu is for real fighting, real self defense, real situations! Kenpo is the only worthwhile karate, because it is actually from China, Chuan Fa!
First of all, I did post footage from that tournament I fought in, but because Yoshukai(WYKKO) was so embarrassed for the world to see a Kung Fu practitioner destroying their fighters, they claimed copyright infringement so the video would be removed. That is why I sent WYKKO a system vs system challenge, it pissed me off that they didn't want people to see the truth! Like I said, they have yet to respond! You are more that welcome to sample my Iron Fist, my Grecian friend, bring a friend or 2!
Correction, more than welcome! As far as posting training or sparring video's, well my friend, I get paid top dollar for what I teach and I only teach private lessons! I don't run a watered down McDojo! My methods are like Chess Boxing, Checkmate in 3 moves! I choose who I will teach, for real martial art training is not for the faint of heart! If you are going to claim me as your teacher and my art as your art, you better well know it! And I make sure that my select few do my friend!
To finish up my statements, I do not prostitute my martial art by posting video's on youtube! Youtube isn't going to increase my business, and like I said, I pick who I will accept as a student! I don't need a video to prove my ability, I have a nice big back yard that anyone from anywhere at anytime can come and challenge me in! I do not refuse anybodies challenge! Read my profile!
OK, since you are not willing to post any footage of your art without having anything to gain. Can you at least give me some more info about the tournament you took part in? I might be able to get an aqcuaintance from the yoshukai to cross check it
Look up Yoshukai superfights 2007. They have a highlight reel with just a brief clip of me in the second fight. I kept the guy on the run the entire fight! I was told a few days after that he had fist print bruises all over his chest! Also, I was invited to train with them at their yoshukai school!
Far from godly, I am but a man, and any man who claims other wise is completely delusional! I am just sick of people disrespecting Kung Fu, so much so, that I will accept anyones, or any systems, challenge.
if you would like to see the rest of the tornament the movie/documentory in america was released as fighting black kings and you can get it at netflix
this is a clip from the first anual international kiokushin karate full contact tournament. from the 70's. the kung fu practitioners who compeated were invited by the karate organization as fall guys to show the "dominace" of japan and karate. the kung fu practitioners were low level students who practiced many styles of kung fu at once
this made them not very good at anyone of the styles. when facing the best full contact karate guys each country had to offer they didnt have a chance in hell.
WTF is that all about, the guy starts to do the first form of wing chung and then when it comes to fighting, he uses none of it, from what I can see?. just flying fists and keep trying to hit his stomach?
Wing Tsung has no place in competition. It a no holds barred system with many takedowns and strikes to vital areas and joint manipulation once an attacker is takedown. This guy was not the greatest representative of Wing Tsung but he was also fighting in sport karate with rules which do not allow for the more dangerous techniques that Wing Tsung is known for. In defense for Karate though traditional karate is just as lethal and very far from a sport.
He was too aggresive. Aggressive is good, but when you find all your hits getting parried, maybe its a good time to take a step back and find some other way to hit?
What the hell? Why did the Wing Chun guy keep punching from the outside instead of the centre...no wonder the karate guy can block all of those moves.
But don't get me wrong - the same goes for all martial arts. Most / all flavors of Karate, even Judo, and Aikido also have what some would call "dirty" techniques. Instead, I say, whatever saves your ass in a street fight is appropriate. That's why "dirty" moves are called self defense. In competition, however, there HAVE to be rules in order to prevent serious injuries. This doesn't cover up for a lack of fighting ability, though.
Wing Chun was created by a woman, to fight against robbers. It's a martial art oriented to self defense.
And Kyokushin Karate is oriented for competition.
In the Kyokushin competitions, the guys main concern is to block kicks to the face. They take most of the other strikes. Basically, who hit stronger and is able to take more damage wins.
A practitioner of Win Chun develop some abilities and one of Kyokushin others. There is no sense to compare the two arts that way.
But, if you want to put two guys fighting, at least they should be at the same weight class (in the case, the karate fighter was way heavier). And should be allowed movements of the two martial arts.
I didn't mean at all to say that Kyokushin and Wing Chun are the same or were made for the same purposes. What I meant that was generally, fighting ability should realistically develop with solid training in any art. This ability can transfer to other arts to more or lesser degree depending on the compatibility of the arts. As you said, Wing Chun tends more towards self defense than Kyokushin.
I also concede to you that, when two different arts compete, the rules should accommodate both, as fairly as possible. When two different martial artist prepare for a friendly competition, we have another way to compare and contrast styles. In this way we all learn from each other. I'm not one to every say any one style is the best, though. Each has its own abilities. Well, it has been an interesting discussion it seems, I hope it continues!
It's not like Wing Chun lacks power hits to the body. And what exactly are "dirty strikes" anyway? Any practical technique is effective in a given situation, but you can't realistically allow some techniques in regular competition or sparring. This is true in all martial arts. So, any Wing Chun practitioner would have to know how to fight with or without so called "dirty techniques". And besides - if you can't fight without such techniques, then how good is your actual fighting to begin with?
its not that the WC guys punches are soft... Karate guys (Kyokushin in particular) get thumped so many times that they have adapted well to the pain.. much like how a boxer can take repeated jabs to the face, round after round.
pls dont read this and think i am hating on any of your beloved styles... its just a comment.
That little punk is a very very poor example of the practical application of wc. I am a second dan bb in Shotokan. boxed for 7 years and have studied wing chun for the past 5 years. And can tell you both of thoose guys were shit at their respective arts. but WC (if mastered) is far superior but like i said if mastered, if you dont train and stay sharp its pointless as its about precision and timeing. im not trying to offend but whaever you belive be pepared to be wrong sometimes guys
lol, no stance, no relaxation, no attention paid to centreline or footwork. bendy arm punches are not a constituent of wing chun and neither is running into an attack like an idiot. all weight on back foot was no accomplished and not was relaxation.
if that is wing chun, his first lesson was 5 minutes ago. i have done karate myself aswell as WC and i doubt karate has the flexibility of movement to deal with WC. karate is a nice MA to begin with, WC can be quite difficult to master.
All styles are deadly if used correct. People judge karate for the none-head punches.
But Bare knuckle headpunches is banned, even in the UFC. WC is a hard style to read if the WC guy uses it good, but as said, all styles are deadly :).
man I thought I was the only one who knew how to use wing chun online thank you for showing me wrong man it's about time someone said the same thing ive said to these people...
I mean it's very obvious that this guy is japanese himself as well
WC is a joke. It can't even beat a BJJ fighter with no rules, yet it's somehow lethal?
haha not according to rorion gracie and carlson Gracie in which is best friends with a wing chun master named samuel kwok...
carlson allows kwow to even give pointers to his BJJ students...not good in a street fight??? I just proved otherwise...not in my opinion this time but in two of BJJ's best masters today saying that you are wrong indirectly...how can you explain>>
Who the fuck are these self-appointed "masters"? Unless they have a record no one gives a shit.
I have seen MANY chunners who are grossly out of shape. Get a clue.
Where is this video of yours? I'm still waiting on you to show me how effective WC is. It's all smoke and mirrors for you losers. Get a grip and accept reality, you mystified, stupid bastard.
well for your info I am not following a con art.. con arts are only for money, none of whom that are teaching me opr have taught me have charged me one cent you idiot ignorant shit.
lol self appointed what the fuck are you talking about???
a record what do you mean... do you mean to tell me only people with records can be a good martial artist no it's not about that martial arts is about defending youself not going toe to toe with anyone who calls you a name.
you are not a true martial artist if you think only the well known MA's can fight.
LOL listen you dumb shit youtube videos dont mean anything whatsoever.
and its fact that any martial art in japan versus a japanese one can not be trusted as real...this video was made in the seventies...when bruce lee made movies, one popular one was with him beating bushido as they were harrassing his school and assinated his master with poison (huo yuanjia)
it was fiction based but he did say that karate styles were broken in many schools and needed guidance they took it the wrong way
bruce lee was a true fighter not a movie star only..
just because he's in movies doesnt mean hes not the real deal hes only lost once in his life when he was 14 hed gotten beaten up in a fight with a few guys and was then prompted to learn to fight. since he'd joined gung fu and focused on wing chun he's un beatable...everyone knows bruce lee was untouchable and anyone who doesnt think so is a dumb piece of shit because top martial artists today still say it... there is a video ... hold on
okay faggot you don't think bruce lee was really a good fighter heres the opinions from people who think he is... who are famous good fighters...here are some names to look up on it mate.
RORION GRACIE(haha now your stupid...BBJ)
SUGAR RAY LEONARD(boxer)
Kareem abdul jaabar(Silat)
matt hughes(Ufc Champ)
Jackie chan(gung fu)
Jet li( gung fu, Jeet Kune Do(which is bruce lees art))
Richard Bustillo(another JKD student)
enough for you fag??? he also taught chuck norris
Are those opinions going to change the fact that Bruce's record was 0-0 and he was known only for "beating up" unnamed bums?
I like two of the names: Jackie Chan and Jet Li, BOTH ACTORS who themselves have no records.
It's easy to say you're unbeatable when you never fight. The Bruce's fights are fucking myths and part of an elaborate con job. Look up "The Intercepting Fist 3/6" to see one of these "fights" debunked in full.
he won many fights and many witnessed them but that's not why he was a great fighter. it's because of what he did after he won.
once a man actually was trying to kill him when bruce realised this he destroyed him...it was a guy on set harrassing bruce saying exactly what you are right now... that hes just a star...the guy was quite a good fighter and knew how to fight...when bruce defeated him he even let the guy keep his job despite endangering bruces life. then even taught him to fight
Hahaha! You epitomize the definition of "gullible". Your easy and eager acceptance of myths, lies and fairy tales is hilarious. You probably still believe in the Tooth Fairy.
I'm willing to bet the rop-ranked MMA's will have no problem dispatching 99% of the thugs that start fights with them, unlike the non-combative, pussy LARPers who think playing kung fu fantasy is truly the path to "deadly" skills. If you wanna bash the pros, either put your skills up to prove your shit or fuck off.
LOL wrong because mma is far different from a real fight, and thugs fight in groups, you are just over protective and are an opinion nazi... for some reason your the only guy who can have an opinion and it has to be your way, welll guess what it's different
like how you said im learning a con art... to be learning a "con art" I would having to be spending money which im not..and im not playing kung fu, and you know what im sure your sensei would kick you out for saying things like this
So let me get this straight: The WC LARPer sucks in the ring because he's attacked by only one opponent who's restricted in his attacks because of the rules??? HAHAHA! That's the dumbest logic I've heard in a while!
So your commie government provides MA training to you for free? That still means you're paying for it via taxes, you douche.
I don't have a "sensei". Those are in fucking movies and mcdojos. I have instructors who actually know how to fight and have.
lol because WC uses open hand movements mostly and no actually they arent bad in the ring but any WC on film is not a WC fighter because WC fighters dont make that many mistakes such as their footing is wrong and they dont flow at all or center their chest with their body.
if you did WC you'd know exactly how this guy is a foney.
no i learn under those I am friends with and I dont live in china if you can read right you moron. a chinese person can live in the us its not hard ya know...
That's a great excuse: Every time a chunner loses (because he used WC) you say he wasn't a "real" fighter. Put up a video of yourself and show an example of this ridiculous nonsense you keep babbling about. No more excuses, douche.
Mcdojos here aren't free. You are lying.
Now put up or shut up. Show what a "real" chunner is, you homo LARPing fag.
no i mean real fighters you can spot so many mistakes in the ring... thats like saying a jiu jitsu fighter has to box a boxer you moron its the same shit of course they wont win.. oh and heres another account for your score garbage.
bruce lee what in 3 BOXING tournaments in which he doesnt box(needed the money) we won his fights almost all by knockout, and didnt lose once or reall get hit.
yeah his method just doesnt work still i guess... or are you still to stupid to think that
I don't put videos up simply because my stepfather told me I couldnt, he is my main instructor of wing chun and has not granted me to teach or show off and already im not a show off and I dont go around fighting people just to prove im tough.
a true martial artist wants peace, not to fight all the time
therefore you can never be a true martial artist just a self proclaimed piece of trash who calls himself one.
HAHAHA! You sound just like a con man. You've done nothing but make up excuses. You are a nobody and so is everybody in the WC community. MMA's are somebodies who are more than adept at kicking your and your fantasy-loving ilk's asses. You're a complete joke.
I've seen plenty of slanted eyes behind the mcdojo doors. The scam is up. You and morons like your uncle have been exposed. The world is laughing at you. MMA is being heavily favored as the best route to self-defense competence.
LOL and to sound like a con man i'd have to be selling something you idiot all im telling you is that your opinion does not matter and you have no place to judge a martial art you know nothing of how works... idiot
LOL and you do realise what MMA is right... Mixed martial arts...
meaning some of them themselves would do some wing chun moves you idiot. seeing as it's all styles aloud, moron.
and the gracies learned from a foreigner so why can't others in other arts??? huh answer that?
I've read plenty of WC phoniness and its role-playing ways. Chunners aren't even allowed to kick above the waist. The entire premise of WC is extremely narrow and its approach is even more ridiculous.
HAHAHA! THERE'S NOT A SINGLE MMA WHO PRACTICES WC. Try again, fag. No one who wants to do real fighting is interested in your joke of a "fighting" system.
What's this about not learning from foreigners??? Your posts grow continually incoherent. Get a grip.
lol of course they arent aloud you idiot thats the point, if you kick above the waist when they are on guard you can be brought to the ground very easily.
now it is very very clear you know nothing about street fights when you said that.
and yes there are mma's who practice wing chun...it does not mean they belong to it you idiot.
I know the reason -- but the REAL reason is chunners just suck at kicking or pretty much anything. Lots of PROVEN fighters have kicked above the waist and actually won fights that way.
Said what??? You know nothing about street fights. You just play "Warcraft" all day and fantasize.
You've done nothing but brag about how "good" "real" WC is yet you criticize others for taping themselves for "showing off"??? Try to at least stay consistent, fag.
no the reason is when you kick high in a real fight that can be held to your opponents advantage you idiot, now it is even more clear you dont know what your talking about... and who said I only do wing chun I will only kick high when I feel its the best bndecision in a fight.
well I never played WOW but I have played their games before and they dont fight bare handed you ignorant moron , so yeah... that makes no sense whatsoever you idiot.
No shit your leg can get held. Still, what does that have to do with the fact that plenty of fighters have KO'ed their opponents with above-waist kicks without their leg getting caught? It's called skill, you moron, and you WC pussies don't have any so you make up some bullshit about how it's wrong to do so. There's risks to every attack. If you throw a punch to the face you can get hit in the ribs. Does that mean you never punch to the face?
I already knew the imbecilic logic to your "no kicking above the waste" dumbass rule. It's just a stupid rule with a stupid reason behind it. Let me throw a high kick at you. You won't catch it. I've throw high kicks plenty of times without my leg getting caught or me getting thrown off balance. As I said, it's called skill, something which you obviously know nothing about.
You won't put up any videos because it would expose you for the fraud you are, just like the fraud in this video.
you need to learn to accept differences you nazi idiot.
a nazi wants everyone to be the same and follow their ideas without question, you are a nazi..
and you must be a little lacking in your brain.
because con men make money for martial arts...
I don't make money nor do i teach people, so how am I conning anyone you dumb hyprocrite....tthats another thing a hyprocrite is someone who says something and means another, so how can I be one saying what i mean this whole time?
oh and I heard a wing chun guy here challenged you and you declined...why is that
lol I would bet money if you met my step-dad in a mere minute you would wimper away from him... in fact my sister had a BF that was black belt in BJJ and my step-dad offered to show him some wing chun style fighting and had the guy backing up into corners from him wimpering away after he realised the defence of wing chun was too complex to break especially of a master.
JFit, you haven't provided a video of you, your stepdad or ANY WC fighter showing "true" WC. You've done nothing but lie and make excuses. No one takes you seriously. They all know you're a joke. You sit here and talk about how a real MA "seeks peace" yet you have no problem bragging about how your stepdad and you have beaten others up for no reason. True hypocrisy through and through and a perfect example of the stereotypical Asian con man.
I never said I would provide a video you blind retard....
lol and ive lied of nothing, all your doing is making blind accusation and imposing your will... this is why people are sad about the world because everyone wants their beliefs to be the only one....
and this can never be achieved.
and im not bragging about him im telling you it doesnt matter what you do you dumb piece of crap..
OH and I noticed something entirely strange about your profile...
you hate gung fu so much...
then why is it that one of your favorited videos is a gung fu fight...? they still have schools in china that stay true and dont stray from the original...
you ignore everything i've said... I said ::::
gung fu alike all other martial arts can only be good depending on the student as well as his TEACHER...
accept that there is no "best" martial art and live with it.
lol and there are people of all martial arts on videos losing to another and some videos are falsely titled it's not just wing chun, just this video is the only wing chun video i found, I found other arts but not reall WC..
exposed... i dont go to a dojo... oh wait I forgot your an idiot so you didnt see what i said earlier
I said I learn under people instead of belonging to a dojo.competence yes it's best for competing and its mixed so its technically not a martial art itself just a style
Wach Billy Cheung fight Emin Bozteppe. Both are WC masters and they look like jokes. If you feel you know "real" WC either put up a video or refer us to one. That's what YouTube is for. Otherwise shut the fuck up and just stick to "Warcraft" you babbling lardass.
So you train with your stepfather and don't even spar? Oh, yes, because we all know the "homeschooled" "fighters" are the best, haha!
I can even understand your last incoherent paragraph. You can't even make sense, you ass.
lol they aren't masters they are business men, and like I said most masters on videos are just trying to show off, and it is still appearant that you only base opinion on TV, you are a sheep.
no i don't spar we hit each other no pads no nothing I hit hit, almost broke my nose when I was 16 when he was going easy on me, its different then you think, since he was a paternal figure I can get hurt instead of schools rules.
and yes they are because bruce taught himself at his home.
oh and stop being racist Im sure any asian would take offence to your brainless slanty eyes comment...shows how much you know...
you do realise that there are chinese people that look european right??? or are you too dense to think straight.
anyway I know you are far to ignorant to understand, i amd tired of this so im going to sleep now before I waste any more time on idiots like you i'll save time for myself and catch sleep.
If the would take offense, then maybe they should stop pushing their fuckin "martial arts" mcdojo cons and get out of the business of fraud. Until then, yeah, it's true; orientals are the most prevalent marketing of bullshit martial arts just like WC in the fucking world you goddamn freak. Your comments don't even make any sort of coherent sense. Stop being such a gullable, LARPing fag and train something real asshole.
I said both "slanty eyed" and "round eyed". How the fuck am I racist if I referred to both parties with the same level of courtesy?
Chinese people that look European? No, I'm not aware of this. Are you aware that there are some MA masters that actually suck at fighting?
You haven't told me anything that I either didn't know or is complete bunk and verifiably so. Your excuse-making is pathetic and you have resorted to babbling now. Yes, go to sleep and don't wake up, you raving fuck.
I said both "round eyes" and "slanty eyes", illiterate piece of shit. Learn to read.
I've been around plenty of Asians. I've never seen one that looks European that I can recall. So who gives a shit what you have to say? What's this race bullshit have to do with anything?
You just got done saying how WC owns and how it can beat BJJ and now you're saying it all depends on the student. More hypocrisy. What about WC's flawed training methods like hitting that fucking stupid wooden post?
You've already said "good-bye" about 5 times. Do you mean it this time? Be sincere for once in your pathetic fucking life.
So you deny the fact that you've criticized pro fighters for "showing off" and not "seaking peace" while simultaneously bragging about you and your stepfather beating other people up for sport? A "yes" or "no" will suffice. No excuses, dodges or backpedalling please.
Please point out where I said BJJ was the best. Quote it, you dumb motherfucker.
as the origin of martial arts started with china the least you could do is respect where the heart of hand to hand fighting comes from.
I don't call getting hit in the face with no mercy and having my eyes gouged a few times having to guard groin properly and flowing my movements correctly a fantasy art.
I don't want people to do my martial art I want them to be a martial artist instead of riff raff like you.
I don't respect con men. I don't give a fuck what country they come from. Furthermore, MA did not originate from China. All regions of the world have created their own systems of fighting. Historical evidence also indicates Indian influences on Chinese MA.
You haven't eye gouged anyone, you lying piece of shit. You can't even show a training video for fear you'll look like the typical WC LARPer joke. You eye gouge anyone in a mcdojo and you'll get sued.
LOL they are not con men they are dead mean for thousands of years... and if the ancient chinese were con men then why did they keep gung fu secret so long to our world?
No there is no evidence of that, they only had religious influeces , CHINA was the influences to their silat you joke.
and yes I have eye gouged someone during practice but we don't go that hard to prevent serious injuries, and you don't neccessary need to do it either to know how...
They kept it a "secret" because by doing so they could keep the ignorant commoners stupidified and thus keep their cash flow going. That charade crumbled when the assholes were forced to prove their bullshit against opponents who weren't so gullible.
Who is "they"??? You said all MA came from China. That is verifiably FALSE. Wrestling is a big example of a completely non-Chinese art.
So you don't even do your "deadly" skills with full force? You have to do fake eye gouges? Hahaha!
LOL originally it was for fighting enemy intruders not for money it never becamse a money issue until it came to american and business men tried to make money of it here with bruce lee's name involved thats why he didnt publish any books while he was alive, it was his wife linda who released them after his deatj, she felt the world had the right to his knowledge
bruce did'nt need a record to be what a true martial artist is.
a true martial artist is honest and wants only to help others in need and that doesnt just mean in a fight... as well as to defend themselves and other... or do they not teach you these principles in your martial arts school? because if they don't teach you to have honor and respect especially for others ways of life then you should not be in martial arts at all because your not learning to be a martial artist if so.
LOL and it is very evident that you merely base you opinions about everything you see in video... your the kind of guy who will believe anything he's told
you are not broad minded and you don't think for yourself and you try to spread your opinion on everyone else.
well guess not everyone shares you opinion and not everyone will be swayed by yours.
learn to accept that you cannot always be right... and its also evident you know next to nothing of bruce and have jealousy of him.
Whom exactly am I listening to? I'm going by what's been done in combat under controlled conditions. I'm not LISTENING to anyone. I'm going by what's observable, you nuthugging retard.
Hahaha, little girls call people jealous. You've yet to prove a single word you've said. Where's your goddamn video? You think you and WC are so deadly, go prove it in a full-contact tournament, you pussy.
Typical LARPer excuses for Bruce's unproven fighting abilities. How predictable.
lol well in self defense there are no controlled conditions meaning your "scoring system" is rendered worthless on streets.
and you have yet to prove yourself as well and I did prove my words I supplied three of 6 hall of famers in my art...what have you just the name?? what video are you even talking about I didnt say I had a video of myself you idiot I said there are videos that you can go find of good fighters talking about bruce lee
"Controlled" conditions as in a resisting opponent, specific circumstances, a camera, etc. rather than fairy tales told by con men WC instructors.
If you can't survive to the final round why the hell do you think you'll be able to survive the "deadly" streets? Another chunner excuse.
You've supplied shit. No video, no hard proof. All you've got is talk and fairy tales. You've also said repeatedly you are done with me, yet you keep posting here. Hmmm....
a tournament also has just about nothing to do with ones ability to fight it's more like the ability to pound on each other because in a real life fight there are no gloves no pads no rules nothing like that...
you are not aloud to even do half of the things wing chun has to offer in tournaments because of the way it's built...
and what is a larper... only nerds use this kind of talk like you.
So you pound each other with no gloves then, you fucking idiot. Do you even think about what you say before you say it?
Hahaha, chunners are allowed to use 99% of the bullshit they train in. You fags fail miserably despite your chi techniques and chain punches and then you say you weren't allowed to use your "deadly" arsenal. Where the hell is any video of a chunner eye gouging someone? Post something, you queer, or shut up.
ok i don't really get the martial art wing chun. i've seen couple of videos about it now and during most of those videos, it seemed that the person who was doing wing chun was trying to over whelm their opponent by charging at them and perform multiple confusing hits which in this case didn't work against this karate dude.
"Never strike first." Talk about a dumb rule with no basis in reality or logic. No wonder it's part of WC (as you allege).
You're a fucking liar. That form he was practicing was WC. There are fucking WC "masters" performing it in INSTRUCTIONAL videos right here on YouTube!
Deadly has hell??? WC is a joke. It can't even beat a BJJ fighter with no rules, yet it's somehow lethal? Tell me how many people you blinded with your "deadly" training, you fucking poser. You're such a joke.
LOL any wing chun master on youtube is a piece of shit who want to be famous so right away you sound like a fag...
LOL fight me then alright...your not seeing wing chun bruce lee did wing chun...but is he not the best martial artist ever known to us??
it seems you forgot him and yip man...look him and yip man up two guys from the same style named in the top 6 martial artists of all time...I dont thinkm its coincidence you fucking genius
Hahaha, what an excuse: "All bad WC fighters are fake." This is quite a consistent phenomenon: Every WC fighter in real combat fights like shit. It's not a coincidence, retard. It's fantasy-based moves and LARPing training breed such suckiness.
No, Bruce was not the best MA. Fedor is. Bruce didn't
I'd fight any wing chun fighter in the world up to 80kg
ShalKekNemRon 1 week ago
ok ok blablablablabla again wing chun guy was bad and he didnt know wing chun and bullshit all the time why some of you cant accept defeat some times???
reybatistafan 4 months ago
Next time get a real Wing Chun expert to show how Karate is effective against Wing Chun
gus4u2c 5 months ago in playlist WING CHUN
Where did they get that clown from to represent Wing Chun?This dude had a belly and moobs.I have trained Wing Chun since 1994 and have never seen such a bad representation of the art.My Sifu was a former boxer and he stressed conditioning and shitloads of sparring.This guy obviously never learned this.
LutaLivre113 1 year ago
ouch...the wing chun guy is not doing proper wing chun..the way he does chum kiu was a mess....he doe know a little only on wing chun
angelojames09 2 years ago
Ugh,
they put this poor guy (who looks a bit slow) in the ring and jeer and taunt him. Pathetic to even have posted this.
superesonator 2 years ago
Please Wing chun always like to hit the face!!!
nuetralist 2 years ago
ouch! power upper cut to the guts!
mvang01 2 years ago
ep, hope this video will open the eyes of people who are still blinded by wing chun mystiscm, bet that guy quit wc and studied karate..
pope8888 2 years ago
the wc guy is fat and he's fighting Joko!!
lol.,Joko has sumo/judo experience then ashira karate on top of that.
plus hes one mean dude.trains evry day,since he was a kid and is built like a rock.
there was never a way for this guy to beat Joko.
Joko also went on to found his own karate system,Enshin karate.
so a newbie vs a kancho
jumokdragon 2 years ago 3
a discrace to wing chun if he was good at it he could have wiped the floor with that guy
streetshinobi407 2 years ago
hmmm...referee giving a massage....how often do you see that !!
bvindh 2 years ago
again the same old argument Kung fu trying to defend it's name against MMA. Just fight and prove yourself. No need for keyboard warriors! Enter a MMA event and prove your art is more suppior otherwise shut up and keep dreaming!
lukeoooooo 2 years ago
haha i will in 5 years after i'm done with Army .
HayatoFernandes 2 years ago
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Are they really that tough? I always wonder why there are no Chinese boxers in pro boxing. Is it because their fighters are only good in their Kung Fu movies? They can easily settle the Chinese claim over the Spratly Islands by a boxing match between my compatriot Pacquiao and the best boxer from Asian bully China.LOL
bebopbopbebop 2 years ago
another japanese attempt to try to look better than chinese
yakraiv 2 years ago 2
^^ they are just showing it ^^
pectorox 2 years ago
Dieser chinesische Kämpfer ist ein Arschloch! Eine was für Enttäuschung! LOL! =)
makanular 2 years ago
lol is ja auch ne dumme wing chun schwulette
Haraldo18 2 years ago
che coglionazzo... alla fine la faccia da stronzo ce l'aveva..
fiortrackers 2 years ago
ilikeaeroplanejelly and SijoJay, you guys are getting to passionate but it is good to see that the style vs style argument is still alive. The pair of you remember this, style means absolutely nothing, it is about the individual fighter, I have seen to many victories and losses, find a style and dedicate yourself to it, that is the best anyone can do. Niether one of your styles will reign absolute, no style will, just do what you can with what you know and stop ranting at each other.
Mathewallison007 3 years ago 2
best comment iv'e seen on youtube ever
slimslam3 3 years ago
Thank you slimslam3 I appreciate your post.
Mathewallison007 3 years ago
I would argue that this is only partially true. No matter how good a baker is, he cannot bake good bread with dirt.
The style, or more importantly how the style is trained (Because with alive training, ineffective techniques do not survive) is more important than the individual.
I've seen many times guys who train hard develop more fighting ability than someone naturally talented.
As for a style working for different people, the body only works, on a basic level, a certain number of ways.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
I feel that you argue for the sake of arguing however you do it very well. You are correct in that the body works in a basic way and more importantly the body will only retain the absolute basics during a stressful combat encounter, which I personally can attest too. Again style is not important as long as muscle memory is established to allow basics to be executed during a real encounter, I mean real as in street or military combat not sports.
Mathewallison007 3 years ago
This is very true. But the disparity between street and sports is somewhat less than you would think. But I digress.
This statement is very much true for arts which train in an effective and alive manner and teach the basics well in all ranges of combat; however, the vast majority of martial arts do not do this.
So, at least in my opinion, it is inaccurate and somewhat misleading to make such a generalised statement that can be used as an excuse for bad training.
But yeah, I argue a lot :P
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Well I don't make these statements from an uninformed view, I have competed in Judo and TaeKwonDo, am a Kung Fu instructor and I am a response Officer within a Prison, I believe I am fairly informed, none the less you present your arguments well and are obviously equally well informed, my disagrements with you are picky and minor and not worth mentioning so I shall end by sending you a cyber bow, just remember your training may be higher then that of the average martial student, be kind.
Mathewallison007 3 years ago
I didn't mean to imply in any way that you were uninformed. But I don't consider myself an overly experienced martial artist; certainly not enough to teach.
Most of what I argue is based on logic. Seems that basing an argument on experience leads to people questioning your experience, wheras valid logic cannot be questioned without evidence.
Of course, if you see any flaws in my logic definitely point them out; but I don't think experience affects the validity of a logical argument.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
This also isn't directed solely at you or your experience as a whole, because there's no doubt that experience lends a lot of weight to an argument.
I respect your experience, but there are a lot of people around who will use fallacious arguments regarding experience to try and make their own opinions more true and yours less so.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
like mathe says, its the muscle memory thats important lets say they do keep their chin tucked, theirs still an entire onslaught of movesomeone can throw thatll do massive damage and will come unexpectedly. as a result of training in choy li fut for over 10 years i don;t have to think when im in an encounters because its already ingrained in me. i see the opening and im there and if your not quicker than me your gonna get hit. most martial artists dont train for a fight and try to take their
slimslam3 3 years ago
sets and preplan everything out, which of course isn't going to work. its just like praticing for a sport, in football u drill the plays and tactics over and over again so that in the game you execute it without having to think, the same goes with martial arts. thru that training physical and mental you begin to recognize the body patterns and develop faster reactions.
slimslam3 3 years ago
- I don´t know what he ist doing there - but that has nothing to do with wing tsun !
Zrachir 3 years ago
If you want to learn karate, learn a system of Kenpo, Aikido or one of the Shorin systems, these are the best of Japanese martial arts! Kenpo originated from a Japanese family that lived in China for a while, the Mitose family, who studied Shaolin Chuan Fa! All Shorin schools are Shaolin based, Shorin is Japanese for Shaolin! Aikido is the Japanese form of Chin Na. If you want sport, degrade yourself with TKD! I don't study sporting arts, I study Combat Arts! Martial Art as sport is useless!
SijoJay 3 years ago
The claim that martial arts as sports are useless is completely ridiculous. It is the ideal way of pressure testing techniques and strategies in a close approximation to an actual fight.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Your claim that these sporting arts are anywhere close to a real fight is delusional! I have fought in bare knuckle Karate tournaments, and they are no where close to a real fight! I am not even able to use my martial art in these karate sport events! The rules do not allow grabbing, takedowns, joint locks/submissions, they only allow punches to the chest, and kicking to the thighs, torso, and head. THIS BY NO MEANS IS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO A REAL FIGHT! You must have never been in a real fight!
SijoJay 3 years ago
See: Vale Tudo. Then talk to me about how dissimilar MMA is to a no-rules fight.
Hint: It looks almost exactly the same. Reason: That's what fighting looks like under the pressure of a full contact environment.
Gross motor movements are far more effective when the adrenaline flows. Fighting is not pretty.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
My martial art teaches one to control the fight through a multitude of techniques! Trapping, joint locking, striking vital areas, takedowns, flurries of punches and kicks to effective areas! You bring 3 of your sporting art tournament useless point sparring or bare knuckle fighters to meet me in a system vs system REAL fight, and I will destroy all 3 at the same time, and then whip you for being a delusional idiot!
SijoJay 3 years ago
You are an arrogant fool, and have far greater delusions than I. I recommend you take this challenge to Bullshido. I guarantee you'll find someone willing to prove how wrong you are there; in fact, they specialise in it.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
For a karate tournament to even come close to a real fight, they would have to blend karate, aikido, and jujitsu! That blend would also make the study of Japanese arts more closely related to the study of Chinese Kung Fu! Most systems of Chinese Kung Fu contain elements of all types of fighting, from striking, to joint locking, to ground fighting! This is why Kung Fu is Superior in a street fight!
SijoJay 3 years ago
You mean like Mixed Martial Arts and Reality-Based training.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Try this, apply your BJJ arm bar in a real fight, a street fight, and when that persons friend starts stomping your head in, you will realize the great void between sport and real! I use arm bars as well, but not applied in such a manner to leave me defenseless! I will even tell you how, intercept the punch with a trapping motion, grab the throat, sweep the feet, place one knee on the chest, the intercepted arm still controlled in the trap, the other knee is up and thigh is used as the fulcrum!
SijoJay 3 years ago
Try this: apply your Kung Fu in a real fight, and when the guy stops punching you in the face, you will realise the great void that exists between real fighting and unrealistic training such as that practised by the vast majority of Kung Fu practitioners.
Also, I have used an armbar in a fight. You'd be surprise how quickly a destroyed elbow joint can end a fight.
Plus, if you go to the ground against your will, you'd better know how to get out of there.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
And also, with this armbar technique, I'd like to see you pull off this "trapping" in a full-contact scenario. Reality is, trapping range only exists if both combatants want it to.
As for grabbing the throat and sweeping the feet, how do you intend to do so if they have a decent guard? As in, have watched one boxing match and know how to tuck their chin? Plus, I hope you realise that you must off-balance an opponent (Kuzushi) before throwing.
Plus, if they escape their hips you will be swept.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
I'm fairly certain of my conclusion that you are either a parody, or someone who has watched far, far too many Kung Fu movies.
Or perhaps you are genuinely misguided when it comes to realistic combat.
I apologise if I sound arrogant, but no doubt if you take this as such you belong to the latter category.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
both of you two have good points. forms are very important in kung fu because for bruce lee to even get to the level he was at he had to master the basics. the problem with most kung fu practicioners is that nowadays they focus too much on winning a medal in a competition and forget to train themselves in the fighting aspect as well. in my school we practice forms but focus most of all on how to to take the form and apply in actualy fights
slimslam3 3 years ago
by fighting against each other (no gear no rules). as far as tucking the chin and guarding goes, most people without any background (minus ones who prob grew up fighting) are not going to have the skill and speed necessary to tuck their chin before a skilled martial artist throws a shot to their throat. a martial artist that has trained constantly for combat has that edge becuz we already know how to read people's bodies and respond with blows most people aren't used to seeing
slimslam3 3 years ago
The chin will be kept tucked most of the time. This is one of the basics of full-contact fighting.
Anyone who has watched a single boxing match will probably do this instinctively, because protecting the chin (and as a result, the throat) is the most important aspect of not getting knocked out.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
Those of you who say kung fu relies on too much forms training don't have a clue about kung fu. Karate generally has 9 belts followed by 9 dan ranks, each belt usually has 2 forms, each dan ranking up to 4 forms, all useless motions. Japanese know one major form of Chi practice called Sanchin kata, a form that they learned from Chinese Fujian White Crane practitioners, and this is their only worthwhile kata. Bruce Lee started the no forms tradition, he was Chinese, and a Kung Fu practitioner!
SijoJay 3 years ago
bias video
Kretin69 3 years ago
lmao
jiehuangdragon 3 years ago
QUANTIDADE É DIFERENTE DE QUALIDADE
sipak 3 years ago
LOL DUDEs this retarted video show a nooob see a fight how can a wing chun practisioner hit like that????????? where is puches>>>>...
GnostosAgnostos 3 years ago
who won?wing chun or japan karate ?
at last,japanese karate sucks
BabyboyBandrock 3 years ago
I guess you didn't notice Ninomiya owning the chunner with a body shot, did you? :)
Kantzarakos 3 years ago
And i guess YOU didnt notice the other guy wasn't even a 'chunner'
SirMetaKnight6 3 years ago
So... Ninomiya commenting on how wing chun concerns itself too much with forms and sticky hands instead of sparring, based on this exact fight, must have been his mistake as well... If he didn't do wing chun and the forms he did were not wing chun, then what the heck did he do? Self Pwnage Kuen?
Kantzarakos 3 years ago
I practice Wing Chun, Hung Gar, Chin Na, Tai Chi, and more! From the beginning of this vid. I could tell this guy doesn't really know Wing Chun! I fought in a Bare Knuckle Japanese Karate Tournament held by Yoshukai(WYKKO) and I punished their fighters with my Iron Fist, for I study Real Kung Fu, furthermore, karate tournaments completely limit a Kung Fu Fighter, so forced to fight by their limiting rules, I still won! I also sent WYKKO a system vs system challenge that goes unanswered!
SijoJay 3 years ago
One more thing, I will fight any Japanese karate fighter, anytime, anywhere! Preferably system vs system, but I will also fight by their bias, limiting rules, and I guarantee I will win! I have yet to find a karate practitioner willing to fight system vs system! If you want to know why, it is because karate is for tournaments and ring fighting only, Kung Fu is for real fighting, real self defense, real situations! Kenpo is the only worthwhile karate, because it is actually from China, Chuan Fa!
SijoJay 3 years ago
Yes, yes, I am sure you a tougher than toughened nails kung fu guy, because everyone know that martial arts originated from china >_>
[hint]It's strange, though. All that boasting and not a single video. Not from the tournament, nor of simple sparring[/hint]
Kantzarakos 3 years ago
First of all, I did post footage from that tournament I fought in, but because Yoshukai(WYKKO) was so embarrassed for the world to see a Kung Fu practitioner destroying their fighters, they claimed copyright infringement so the video would be removed. That is why I sent WYKKO a system vs system challenge, it pissed me off that they didn't want people to see the truth! Like I said, they have yet to respond! You are more that welcome to sample my Iron Fist, my Grecian friend, bring a friend or 2!
SijoJay 3 years ago
Correction, more than welcome! As far as posting training or sparring video's, well my friend, I get paid top dollar for what I teach and I only teach private lessons! I don't run a watered down McDojo! My methods are like Chess Boxing, Checkmate in 3 moves! I choose who I will teach, for real martial art training is not for the faint of heart! If you are going to claim me as your teacher and my art as your art, you better well know it! And I make sure that my select few do my friend!
SijoJay 3 years ago
To finish up my statements, I do not prostitute my martial art by posting video's on youtube! Youtube isn't going to increase my business, and like I said, I pick who I will accept as a student! I don't need a video to prove my ability, I have a nice big back yard that anyone from anywhere at anytime can come and challenge me in! I do not refuse anybodies challenge! Read my profile!
SijoJay 3 years ago
OK, since you are not willing to post any footage of your art without having anything to gain. Can you at least give me some more info about the tournament you took part in? I might be able to get an aqcuaintance from the yoshukai to cross check it
Kantzarakos 3 years ago
Look up Yoshukai superfights 2007. They have a highlight reel with just a brief clip of me in the second fight. I kept the guy on the run the entire fight! I was told a few days after that he had fist print bruises all over his chest! Also, I was invited to train with them at their yoshukai school!
SijoJay 3 years ago
oh godly one...
switchtrey101 3 years ago
Far from godly, I am but a man, and any man who claims other wise is completely delusional! I am just sick of people disrespecting Kung Fu, so much so, that I will accept anyones, or any systems, challenge.
SijoJay 3 years ago
spell check Kyokushin
SORRY
kamui104 3 years ago
if you would like to see the rest of the tornament the movie/documentory in america was released as fighting black kings and you can get it at netflix
kamui104 3 years ago
also the rules are no intentional hand strikes to the face and you may throw, hold and strike the downed fighter once
kamui104 3 years ago
this is a clip from the first anual international kiokushin karate full contact tournament. from the 70's. the kung fu practitioners who compeated were invited by the karate organization as fall guys to show the "dominace" of japan and karate. the kung fu practitioners were low level students who practiced many styles of kung fu at once
this made them not very good at anyone of the styles. when facing the best full contact karate guys each country had to offer they didnt have a chance in hell.
kamui104 3 years ago 2
WTF is that all about, the guy starts to do the first form of wing chung and then when it comes to fighting, he uses none of it, from what I can see?. just flying fists and keep trying to hit his stomach?
AdamGage82 3 years ago 2
Wonder if martial arts make you fit. They sure looked unfit.
aegisrustopher 3 years ago
this is not wing chun O.o
sodaxcandy08 3 years ago 2
This guy dont play Wing chun he play sohai, wing chun dun attack like sohai but defensive.
airospro 3 years ago
Wing Tsung has no place in competition. It a no holds barred system with many takedowns and strikes to vital areas and joint manipulation once an attacker is takedown. This guy was not the greatest representative of Wing Tsung but he was also fighting in sport karate with rules which do not allow for the more dangerous techniques that Wing Tsung is known for. In defense for Karate though traditional karate is just as lethal and very far from a sport.
PARR53 3 years ago 2
@PARR53 More bullshit. It's too lethal to use. Rubbish, if it can't be practiced in a fully resisting situation, it's not reliable.
ShalKekNemRon 1 week ago
oooops! he got buckled down!
rumdrinker32 3 years ago
Pfff i don't know what is it, but it is not Wing Chun.
agutinoff 3 years ago
Not even wing chun.
xlostlovex 3 years ago
The Wing Chun guy simply wasn't smart.
He was too aggresive. Aggressive is good, but when you find all your hits getting parried, maybe its a good time to take a step back and find some other way to hit?
Invincnerd 3 years ago
he was simply shit
StL33T 3 years ago 3
What the hell? Why did the Wing Chun guy keep punching from the outside instead of the centre...no wonder the karate guy can block all of those moves.
Elsamo123456 3 years ago
But don't get me wrong - the same goes for all martial arts. Most / all flavors of Karate, even Judo, and Aikido also have what some would call "dirty" techniques. Instead, I say, whatever saves your ass in a street fight is appropriate. That's why "dirty" moves are called self defense. In competition, however, there HAVE to be rules in order to prevent serious injuries. This doesn't cover up for a lack of fighting ability, though.
shincyriades 3 years ago
Wing Chun was created by a woman, to fight against robbers. It's a martial art oriented to self defense.
And Kyokushin Karate is oriented for competition.
In the Kyokushin competitions, the guys main concern is to block kicks to the face. They take most of the other strikes. Basically, who hit stronger and is able to take more damage wins.
A practitioner of Win Chun develop some abilities and one of Kyokushin others. There is no sense to compare the two arts that way.
amazinggoldenboy 3 years ago
But, if you want to put two guys fighting, at least they should be at the same weight class (in the case, the karate fighter was way heavier). And should be allowed movements of the two martial arts.
I mean, at least strikes to the face.
amazinggoldenboy 3 years ago
I didn't mean at all to say that Kyokushin and Wing Chun are the same or were made for the same purposes. What I meant that was generally, fighting ability should realistically develop with solid training in any art. This ability can transfer to other arts to more or lesser degree depending on the compatibility of the arts. As you said, Wing Chun tends more towards self defense than Kyokushin.
shincyriades 3 years ago
I also concede to you that, when two different arts compete, the rules should accommodate both, as fairly as possible. When two different martial artist prepare for a friendly competition, we have another way to compare and contrast styles. In this way we all learn from each other. I'm not one to every say any one style is the best, though. Each has its own abilities. Well, it has been an interesting discussion it seems, I hope it continues!
shincyriades 3 years ago
Wing Chun fighting in Karate kyokushin rules?
You just eliminate all the strong points of Wing Chun. I mean the dirty strikes.
Not to mention that in Kyokoshin Karate is forbidden to hit the face.
I'm not the biggest Wing Chun fan in the world, but that fight was pretty unfair.
amazinggoldenboy 3 years ago
It's not like Wing Chun lacks power hits to the body. And what exactly are "dirty strikes" anyway? Any practical technique is effective in a given situation, but you can't realistically allow some techniques in regular competition or sparring. This is true in all martial arts. So, any Wing Chun practitioner would have to know how to fight with or without so called "dirty techniques". And besides - if you can't fight without such techniques, then how good is your actual fighting to begin with?
shincyriades 3 years ago
Lol, that little guy is very passionate. Fast too, but completely hopeless. Hope he's ok.
DrSargassi 3 years ago
ENSHIN KARATE :) WE LOVE IT
tuzunay88 3 years ago
oh man its like hes never hit a real person b4. or used any real power :\ its bad...
bbbd 3 years ago
That wing chun guy was absolutely awful. No skill applied at all
leopheard 3 years ago
its not that the WC guys punches are soft... Karate guys (Kyokushin in particular) get thumped so many times that they have adapted well to the pain.. much like how a boxer can take repeated jabs to the face, round after round.
pls dont read this and think i am hating on any of your beloved styles... its just a comment.
irai1984 3 years ago
That little punk is a very very poor example of the practical application of wc. I am a second dan bb in Shotokan. boxed for 7 years and have studied wing chun for the past 5 years. And can tell you both of thoose guys were shit at their respective arts. but WC (if mastered) is far superior but like i said if mastered, if you dont train and stay sharp its pointless as its about precision and timeing. im not trying to offend but whaever you belive be pepared to be wrong sometimes guys
Furious316 3 years ago 3
lol, no stance, no relaxation, no attention paid to centreline or footwork. bendy arm punches are not a constituent of wing chun and neither is running into an attack like an idiot. all weight on back foot was no accomplished and not was relaxation.
if that is wing chun, his first lesson was 5 minutes ago. i have done karate myself aswell as WC and i doubt karate has the flexibility of movement to deal with WC. karate is a nice MA to begin with, WC can be quite difficult to master.
Focusb4ufire 3 years ago 2
All styles are deadly if used correct. People judge karate for the none-head punches.
But Bare knuckle headpunches is banned, even in the UFC. WC is a hard style to read if the WC guy uses it good, but as said, all styles are deadly :).
u31117416 3 years ago
man I thought I was the only one who knew how to use wing chun online thank you for showing me wrong man it's about time someone said the same thing ive said to these people...
I mean it's very obvious that this guy is japanese himself as well
JFitGuy 3 years ago
WC is a joke. It can't even beat a BJJ fighter with no rules, yet it's somehow lethal?
haha not according to rorion gracie and carlson Gracie in which is best friends with a wing chun master named samuel kwok...
carlson allows kwow to even give pointers to his BJJ students...not good in a street fight??? I just proved otherwise...not in my opinion this time but in two of BJJ's best masters today saying that you are wrong indirectly...how can you explain>>
you cannot.
Later man
JFitGuy 3 years ago
complete disregarde for the centre line theory
this is not wing chun my friends
this is bullshit
str8balla0 3 years ago 10
screw this shit like a wise man once said THERE ARE TOO MANY SHEEP AND NOT ENOUGH SHEPARDS...
You are a sheep following the small picture rather then the big, go to school please.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
I'm not the one following a con art....
Who the fuck are these self-appointed "masters"? Unless they have a record no one gives a shit.
I have seen MANY chunners who are grossly out of shape. Get a clue.
Where is this video of yours? I'm still waiting on you to show me how effective WC is. It's all smoke and mirrors for you losers. Get a grip and accept reality, you mystified, stupid bastard.
kommisar 3 years ago
well for your info I am not following a con art.. con arts are only for money, none of whom that are teaching me opr have taught me have charged me one cent you idiot ignorant shit.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
lol self appointed what the fuck are you talking about???
a record what do you mean... do you mean to tell me only people with records can be a good martial artist no it's not about that martial arts is about defending youself not going toe to toe with anyone who calls you a name.
you are not a true martial artist if you think only the well known MA's can fight.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
LOL listen you dumb shit youtube videos dont mean anything whatsoever.
and its fact that any martial art in japan versus a japanese one can not be trusted as real...this video was made in the seventies...when bruce lee made movies, one popular one was with him beating bushido as they were harrassing his school and assinated his master with poison (huo yuanjia)
it was fiction based but he did say that karate styles were broken in many schools and needed guidance they took it the wrong way
JFitGuy 3 years ago
Oh, right, this video was fake. Got it. ;)
Haha, how typical of the LARPer: bringing up BRUCE LEE (fictional) movies to make his case for a point in reality.
kommisar 3 years ago
bruce lee was a true fighter not a movie star only..
just because he's in movies doesnt mean hes not the real deal hes only lost once in his life when he was 14 hed gotten beaten up in a fight with a few guys and was then prompted to learn to fight. since he'd joined gung fu and focused on wing chun he's un beatable...everyone knows bruce lee was untouchable and anyone who doesnt think so is a dumb piece of shit because top martial artists today still say it... there is a video ... hold on
JFitGuy 3 years ago
okay faggot you don't think bruce lee was really a good fighter heres the opinions from people who think he is... who are famous good fighters...here are some names to look up on it mate.
RORION GRACIE(haha now your stupid...BBJ)
SUGAR RAY LEONARD(boxer)
Kareem abdul jaabar(Silat)
matt hughes(Ufc Champ)
Jackie chan(gung fu)
Jet li( gung fu, Jeet Kune Do(which is bruce lees art))
Richard Bustillo(another JKD student)
enough for you fag??? he also taught chuck norris
JFitGuy 3 years ago
Are those opinions going to change the fact that Bruce's record was 0-0 and he was known only for "beating up" unnamed bums?
I like two of the names: Jackie Chan and Jet Li, BOTH ACTORS who themselves have no records.
It's easy to say you're unbeatable when you never fight. The Bruce's fights are fucking myths and part of an elaborate con job. Look up "The Intercepting Fist 3/6" to see one of these "fights" debunked in full.
kommisar 3 years ago
hahaha..and tell me...what would a record have anything to do with your ability to win a fight when you are truly in need to..
oh if you truly want a real account I can give you one...somebody forgot his homework did the dog eat it or..???
bruce lee was in the park once and a chinese girl was being harrassed by a rather good fighter...bruce took him apart in seconds.
and bruce had many CHALLENGERS...go read on it on set all they did was tap their foot on the ground and it meant a bout
JFitGuy 3 years ago
he won many fights and many witnessed them but that's not why he was a great fighter. it's because of what he did after he won.
once a man actually was trying to kill him when bruce realised this he destroyed him...it was a guy on set harrassing bruce saying exactly what you are right now... that hes just a star...the guy was quite a good fighter and knew how to fight...when bruce defeated him he even let the guy keep his job despite endangering bruces life. then even taught him to fight
JFitGuy 3 years ago
Hahaha! You epitomize the definition of "gullible". Your easy and eager acceptance of myths, lies and fairy tales is hilarious. You probably still believe in the Tooth Fairy.
I'm willing to bet the rop-ranked MMA's will have no problem dispatching 99% of the thugs that start fights with them, unlike the non-combative, pussy LARPers who think playing kung fu fantasy is truly the path to "deadly" skills. If you wanna bash the pros, either put your skills up to prove your shit or fuck off.
kommisar 3 years ago
LOL wrong because mma is far different from a real fight, and thugs fight in groups, you are just over protective and are an opinion nazi... for some reason your the only guy who can have an opinion and it has to be your way, welll guess what it's different
like how you said im learning a con art... to be learning a "con art" I would having to be spending money which im not..and im not playing kung fu, and you know what im sure your sensei would kick you out for saying things like this
JFitGuy 3 years ago
So let me get this straight: The WC LARPer sucks in the ring because he's attacked by only one opponent who's restricted in his attacks because of the rules??? HAHAHA! That's the dumbest logic I've heard in a while!
So your commie government provides MA training to you for free? That still means you're paying for it via taxes, you douche.
I don't have a "sensei". Those are in fucking movies and mcdojos. I have instructors who actually know how to fight and have.
kommisar 3 years ago
lol because WC uses open hand movements mostly and no actually they arent bad in the ring but any WC on film is not a WC fighter because WC fighters dont make that many mistakes such as their footing is wrong and they dont flow at all or center their chest with their body.
if you did WC you'd know exactly how this guy is a foney.
no i learn under those I am friends with and I dont live in china if you can read right you moron. a chinese person can live in the us its not hard ya know...
JFitGuy 3 years ago
"no actually they arent bad in the ring"
I have several examples that prove otherwise....
That's a great excuse: Every time a chunner loses (because he used WC) you say he wasn't a "real" fighter. Put up a video of yourself and show an example of this ridiculous nonsense you keep babbling about. No more excuses, douche.
Mcdojos here aren't free. You are lying.
Now put up or shut up. Show what a "real" chunner is, you homo LARPing fag.
kommisar 3 years ago
no i mean real fighters you can spot so many mistakes in the ring... thats like saying a jiu jitsu fighter has to box a boxer you moron its the same shit of course they wont win.. oh and heres another account for your score garbage.
bruce lee what in 3 BOXING tournaments in which he doesnt box(needed the money) we won his fights almost all by knockout, and didnt lose once or reall get hit.
yeah his method just doesnt work still i guess... or are you still to stupid to think that
JFitGuy 3 years ago
I don't put videos up simply because my stepfather told me I couldnt, he is my main instructor of wing chun and has not granted me to teach or show off and already im not a show off and I dont go around fighting people just to prove im tough.
a true martial artist wants peace, not to fight all the time
therefore you can never be a true martial artist just a self proclaimed piece of trash who calls himself one.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
HAHAHA! You sound just like a con man. You've done nothing but make up excuses. You are a nobody and so is everybody in the WC community. MMA's are somebodies who are more than adept at kicking your and your fantasy-loving ilk's asses. You're a complete joke.
I've seen plenty of slanted eyes behind the mcdojo doors. The scam is up. You and morons like your uncle have been exposed. The world is laughing at you. MMA is being heavily favored as the best route to self-defense competence.
kommisar 3 years ago
*uncle
kommisar 3 years ago
**stepfather
kommisar 3 years ago
excuses tell me of such excuses im telling you that alot of these videos are WC or they are just not trained well you idiot it's no excuse you moron
JFitGuy 3 years ago
LOL and to sound like a con man i'd have to be selling something you idiot all im telling you is that your opinion does not matter and you have no place to judge a martial art you know nothing of how works... idiot
LOL and you do realise what MMA is right... Mixed martial arts...
meaning some of them themselves would do some wing chun moves you idiot. seeing as it's all styles aloud, moron.
and the gracies learned from a foreigner so why can't others in other arts??? huh answer that?
JFitGuy 3 years ago
I've read plenty of WC phoniness and its role-playing ways. Chunners aren't even allowed to kick above the waist. The entire premise of WC is extremely narrow and its approach is even more ridiculous.
HAHAHA! THERE'S NOT A SINGLE MMA WHO PRACTICES WC. Try again, fag. No one who wants to do real fighting is interested in your joke of a "fighting" system.
What's this about not learning from foreigners??? Your posts grow continually incoherent. Get a grip.
kommisar 3 years ago
lol of course they arent aloud you idiot thats the point, if you kick above the waist when they are on guard you can be brought to the ground very easily.
now it is very very clear you know nothing about street fights when you said that.
and yes there are mma's who practice wing chun...it does not mean they belong to it you idiot.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
I know the reason -- but the REAL reason is chunners just suck at kicking or pretty much anything. Lots of PROVEN fighters have kicked above the waist and actually won fights that way.
Said what??? You know nothing about street fights. You just play "Warcraft" all day and fantasize.
You've done nothing but brag about how "good" "real" WC is yet you criticize others for taping themselves for "showing off"??? Try to at least stay consistent, fag.
kommisar 3 years ago
no the reason is when you kick high in a real fight that can be held to your opponents advantage you idiot, now it is even more clear you dont know what your talking about... and who said I only do wing chun I will only kick high when I feel its the best bndecision in a fight.
well I never played WOW but I have played their games before and they dont fight bare handed you ignorant moron , so yeah... that makes no sense whatsoever you idiot.
it is showing off I dont approve of wC show offs
JFitGuy 3 years ago
No shit your leg can get held. Still, what does that have to do with the fact that plenty of fighters have KO'ed their opponents with above-waist kicks without their leg getting caught? It's called skill, you moron, and you WC pussies don't have any so you make up some bullshit about how it's wrong to do so. There's risks to every attack. If you throw a punch to the face you can get hit in the ribs. Does that mean you never punch to the face?
kommisar 3 years ago
I already knew the imbecilic logic to your "no kicking above the waste" dumbass rule. It's just a stupid rule with a stupid reason behind it. Let me throw a high kick at you. You won't catch it. I've throw high kicks plenty of times without my leg getting caught or me getting thrown off balance. As I said, it's called skill, something which you obviously know nothing about.
You won't put up any videos because it would expose you for the fraud you are, just like the fraud in this video.
kommisar 3 years ago
you need to learn to accept differences you nazi idiot.
a nazi wants everyone to be the same and follow their ideas without question, you are a nazi..
and you must be a little lacking in your brain.
because con men make money for martial arts...
I don't make money nor do i teach people, so how am I conning anyone you dumb hyprocrite....tthats another thing a hyprocrite is someone who says something and means another, so how can I be one saying what i mean this whole time?
JFitGuy 3 years ago
oh and I heard a wing chun guy here challenged you and you declined...why is that
lol I would bet money if you met my step-dad in a mere minute you would wimper away from him... in fact my sister had a BF that was black belt in BJJ and my step-dad offered to show him some wing chun style fighting and had the guy backing up into corners from him wimpering away after he realised the defence of wing chun was too complex to break especially of a master.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
JFit, you haven't provided a video of you, your stepdad or ANY WC fighter showing "true" WC. You've done nothing but lie and make excuses. No one takes you seriously. They all know you're a joke. You sit here and talk about how a real MA "seeks peace" yet you have no problem bragging about how your stepdad and you have beaten others up for no reason. True hypocrisy through and through and a perfect example of the stereotypical Asian con man.
kommisar 3 years ago
I never said I would provide a video you blind retard....
lol and ive lied of nothing, all your doing is making blind accusation and imposing your will... this is why people are sad about the world because everyone wants their beliefs to be the only one....
and this can never be achieved.
and im not bragging about him im telling you it doesnt matter what you do you dumb piece of crap..
lol he was "sparring" is all I basically said...
your the one bragging that BJJ is the best, idiot
JFitGuy 3 years ago
OH and I noticed something entirely strange about your profile...
you hate gung fu so much...
then why is it that one of your favorited videos is a gung fu fight...? they still have schools in china that stay true and dont stray from the original...
you ignore everything i've said... I said ::::
gung fu alike all other martial arts can only be good depending on the student as well as his TEACHER...
accept that there is no "best" martial art and live with it.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
lol and there are people of all martial arts on videos losing to another and some videos are falsely titled it's not just wing chun, just this video is the only wing chun video i found, I found other arts but not reall WC..
exposed... i dont go to a dojo... oh wait I forgot your an idiot so you didnt see what i said earlier
I said I learn under people instead of belonging to a dojo.competence yes it's best for competing and its mixed so its technically not a martial art itself just a style
JFitGuy 3 years ago
Wach Billy Cheung fight Emin Bozteppe. Both are WC masters and they look like jokes. If you feel you know "real" WC either put up a video or refer us to one. That's what YouTube is for. Otherwise shut the fuck up and just stick to "Warcraft" you babbling lardass.
So you train with your stepfather and don't even spar? Oh, yes, because we all know the "homeschooled" "fighters" are the best, haha!
I can even understand your last incoherent paragraph. You can't even make sense, you ass.
kommisar 3 years ago
lol they aren't masters they are business men, and like I said most masters on videos are just trying to show off, and it is still appearant that you only base opinion on TV, you are a sheep.
no i don't spar we hit each other no pads no nothing I hit hit, almost broke my nose when I was 16 when he was going easy on me, its different then you think, since he was a paternal figure I can get hurt instead of schools rules.
and yes they are because bruce taught himself at his home.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
oh and stop being racist Im sure any asian would take offence to your brainless slanty eyes comment...shows how much you know...
you do realise that there are chinese people that look european right??? or are you too dense to think straight.
anyway I know you are far to ignorant to understand, i amd tired of this so im going to sleep now before I waste any more time on idiots like you i'll save time for myself and catch sleep.
hope you learn respect as well as history.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
If the would take offense, then maybe they should stop pushing their fuckin "martial arts" mcdojo cons and get out of the business of fraud. Until then, yeah, it's true; orientals are the most prevalent marketing of bullshit martial arts just like WC in the fucking world you goddamn freak. Your comments don't even make any sort of coherent sense. Stop being such a gullable, LARPing fag and train something real asshole.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
lol nice multi idiot.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
I said both "slanty eyed" and "round eyed". How the fuck am I racist if I referred to both parties with the same level of courtesy?
Chinese people that look European? No, I'm not aware of this. Are you aware that there are some MA masters that actually suck at fighting?
You haven't told me anything that I either didn't know or is complete bunk and verifiably so. Your excuse-making is pathetic and you have resorted to babbling now. Yes, go to sleep and don't wake up, you raving fuck.
kommisar 3 years ago
you never said round eyed you jerk, you said slanty eyed you racist.
lol and yes in areas in southern china there are european looking people, your not aware because your too ignorant to understand this.
yes im aware and there is that in any martial art not just gung fu, all arts have people who are doing things wrong you moron.
lol and wow now you definately shouldnt be a martial artist for thinking like that.
im trying to make you understand all martial arts depend on the student
JFitGuy 3 years ago
I said both "round eyes" and "slanty eyes", illiterate piece of shit. Learn to read.
I've been around plenty of Asians. I've never seen one that looks European that I can recall. So who gives a shit what you have to say? What's this race bullshit have to do with anything?
You just got done saying how WC owns and how it can beat BJJ and now you're saying it all depends on the student. More hypocrisy. What about WC's flawed training methods like hitting that fucking stupid wooden post?
kommisar 3 years ago
um excuse but I never said wing chun is better or worse then any art
so stop putting words in my mouth idiot.
and yes their are some european looking chinese
and I did read your comment you said slanty only, moron
JFitGuy 3 years ago
it is also very appearant judging your comments on you youtube page that nobody likes you much at all.
you must do this everywhere else to... oh and you are a hyprocrite for having a gung fu video on your faves... moron
you are a loser that gets on youtube every 30 minutes and checks his hate mail...
therefore im just wasting time with a stupid flamer.
goodbye then idiot, this arguement was a worthless one seeing as your an opinion nazi.
I have better things to do with my time.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
You've already said "good-bye" about 5 times. Do you mean it this time? Be sincere for once in your pathetic fucking life.
So you deny the fact that you've criticized pro fighters for "showing off" and not "seaking peace" while simultaneously bragging about you and your stepfather beating other people up for sport? A "yes" or "no" will suffice. No excuses, dodges or backpedalling please.
Please point out where I said BJJ was the best. Quote it, you dumb motherfucker.
kommisar 3 years ago
LOL sensei means teacher or instructor in japanese so matter what you call it, it's still a sensei you ignorant moron
JFitGuy 3 years ago
as the origin of martial arts started with china the least you could do is respect where the heart of hand to hand fighting comes from.
I don't call getting hit in the face with no mercy and having my eyes gouged a few times having to guard groin properly and flowing my movements correctly a fantasy art.
I don't want people to do my martial art I want them to be a martial artist instead of riff raff like you.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
I don't respect con men. I don't give a fuck what country they come from. Furthermore, MA did not originate from China. All regions of the world have created their own systems of fighting. Historical evidence also indicates Indian influences on Chinese MA.
You haven't eye gouged anyone, you lying piece of shit. You can't even show a training video for fear you'll look like the typical WC LARPer joke. You eye gouge anyone in a mcdojo and you'll get sued.
kommisar 3 years ago
LOL they are not con men they are dead mean for thousands of years... and if the ancient chinese were con men then why did they keep gung fu secret so long to our world?
No there is no evidence of that, they only had religious influeces , CHINA was the influences to their silat you joke.
and yes I have eye gouged someone during practice but we don't go that hard to prevent serious injuries, and you don't neccessary need to do it either to know how...
JFitGuy 3 years ago
They kept it a "secret" because by doing so they could keep the ignorant commoners stupidified and thus keep their cash flow going. That charade crumbled when the assholes were forced to prove their bullshit against opponents who weren't so gullible.
Who is "they"??? You said all MA came from China. That is verifiably FALSE. Wrestling is a big example of a completely non-Chinese art.
So you don't even do your "deadly" skills with full force? You have to do fake eye gouges? Hahaha!
kommisar 3 years ago
LOL originally it was for fighting enemy intruders not for money it never becamse a money issue until it came to american and business men tried to make money of it here with bruce lee's name involved thats why he didnt publish any books while he was alive, it was his wife linda who released them after his deatj, she felt the world had the right to his knowledge
JFitGuy 3 years ago
bruce did'nt need a record to be what a true martial artist is.
a true martial artist is honest and wants only to help others in need and that doesnt just mean in a fight... as well as to defend themselves and other... or do they not teach you these principles in your martial arts school? because if they don't teach you to have honor and respect especially for others ways of life then you should not be in martial arts at all because your not learning to be a martial artist if so.
JFitGuy 3 years ago
LOL and it is very evident that you merely base you opinions about everything you see in video... your the kind of guy who will believe anything he's told
you are not broad minded and you don't think for yourself and you try to spread your opinion on everyone else.
well guess not everyone shares you opinion and not everyone will be swayed by yours.
learn to accept that you cannot always be right... and its also evident you know next to nothing of bruce and have jealousy of him.
good-bye
JFitGuy 3 years ago
Whom exactly am I listening to? I'm going by what's been done in combat under controlled conditions. I'm not LISTENING to anyone. I'm going by what's observable, you nuthugging retard.
Hahaha, little girls call people jealous. You've yet to prove a single word you've said. Where's your goddamn video? You think you and WC are so deadly, go prove it in a full-contact tournament, you pussy.
Typical LARPer excuses for Bruce's unproven fighting abilities. How predictable.
kommisar 3 years ago
lol well in self defense there are no controlled conditions meaning your "scoring system" is rendered worthless on streets.
and you have yet to prove yourself as well and I did prove my words I supplied three of 6 hall of famers in my art...what have you just the name?? what video are you even talking about I didnt say I had a video of myself you idiot I said there are videos that you can go find of good fighters talking about bruce lee
JFitGuy 3 years ago
"Controlled" conditions as in a resisting opponent, specific circumstances, a camera, etc. rather than fairy tales told by con men WC instructors.
If you can't survive to the final round why the hell do you think you'll be able to survive the "deadly" streets? Another chunner excuse.
You've supplied shit. No video, no hard proof. All you've got is talk and fairy tales. You've also said repeatedly you are done with me, yet you keep posting here. Hmmm....
kommisar 3 years ago
a tournament also has just about nothing to do with ones ability to fight it's more like the ability to pound on each other because in a real life fight there are no gloves no pads no rules nothing like that...
you are not aloud to even do half of the things wing chun has to offer in tournaments because of the way it's built...
and what is a larper... only nerds use this kind of talk like you.
you sound like an idiot
JFitGuy 3 years ago
So you pound each other with no gloves then, you fucking idiot. Do you even think about what you say before you say it?
Hahaha, chunners are allowed to use 99% of the bullshit they train in. You fags fail miserably despite your chi techniques and chain punches and then you say you weren't allowed to use your "deadly" arsenal. Where the hell is any video of a chunner eye gouging someone? Post something, you queer, or shut up.
kommisar 3 years ago
ok i don't really get the martial art wing chun. i've seen couple of videos about it now and during most of those videos, it seemed that the person who was doing wing chun was trying to over whelm their opponent by charging at them and perform multiple confusing hits which in this case didn't work against this karate dude.
Tenzinpelha 3 years ago
lol not wing chun style and thats how it is fake...instead wing chun fighters never strike first if they are a good one at least.
the guy in this video is japanese no wing chun here dude
JFitGuy 3 years ago
"Never strike first." Talk about a dumb rule with no basis in reality or logic. No wonder it's part of WC (as you allege).
You're a fucking liar. That form he was practicing was WC. There are fucking WC "masters" performing it in INSTRUCTIONAL videos right here on YouTube!
Deadly has hell??? WC is a joke. It can't even beat a BJJ fighter with no rules, yet it's somehow lethal? Tell me how many people you blinded with your "deadly" training, you fucking poser. You're such a joke.
kommisar 3 years ago
LOL any wing chun master on youtube is a piece of shit who want to be famous so right away you sound like a fag...
LOL fight me then alright...your not seeing wing chun bruce lee did wing chun...but is he not the best martial artist ever known to us??
it seems you forgot him and yip man...look him and yip man up two guys from the same style named in the top 6 martial artists of all time...I dont thinkm its coincidence you fucking genius
kill yourself you are a karate fanboy faggot
JFitGuy 3 years ago
Hahaha, what an excuse: "All bad WC fighters are fake." This is quite a consistent phenomenon: Every WC fighter in real combat fights like shit. It's not a coincidence, retard. It's fantasy-based moves and LARPing training breed such suckiness.
No, Bruce was not the best MA. Fedor is. Bruce didn't